Also, forgot to mention explicitly, but the reason our Tenno causes Kuva to dissipate is due to it essentially being diluted Oro, so it is nullified when coming into contact with ours.
I wonder how much fan theory ends up as warframe lore, in the sense that the developers don't have a solid idea for 'X', someone like you makes a theory, and they just role with it and make it happen in game.
well the devs. stated tat WF a game based on "we the players" output and thoughts as WF.s an idea based game 🙄 soo the more ideas we come up wif the better odds tat the devs. use the players thoughts and suggestions we as tenno dish out soo ta speak 😅
Cigars are evil, you won't miss 'em, We'll find ways to simulate that smell, What a sorry fella, rolled up and smoked like a Panetela, here on level one of Robot Hell! ;D
After just watching your Orokin Empire vid and this, i have a possible theory in warframe that i find just so peculiar that there has to be some connection here. Our original adoptive mother, Margulis. She loved us like no other. Even through the bouts of rage with exploding void energy slowly crippling her, she saw a light in us that the Orokin refused to see. Unlike kuva which is used to assimilate the host to the original user, rendering whatever person the host was, null and empty, giving the user free control, Oro is basically a photograph of the person. An imprint of everything they are. Like real life photographs, a third party viewing it can get an idea, the emotion and context of what they are viewing, however they will never be able to experience it themselves as it is not them. Now... if i remember correctly, unless the Oro of something is absorbed by another, that specific Oro can live on, floating in the void, waiting for a new "body" to occupy. This brings me to the Sentients. The Sentients were able to fashion themselves something similar to Oro, but quite like Oro. Just a simple replica. What i find curious is that of all the Sentients, only one of them was drastically different then than the rest: Natah, our next adoptive and beloved space mom, the Lotus. We are told so far that Lotus defected after traveling through the void, and coming out the other side sterile. Unable to have children, she grew feelings for the Tenno, claimed them as her own, and betrayed the Sentient. It seems kind of out of place for the daughter of, what is clearly either the leader, or at least a very powerful commander of the Sentient to be born with such a defect. While i don't claim i know how Sentients are born, we do know that they were originally machines built to constantly evolve against the harsh climate the Orokin sent them to, using the void as type of portal. This evolution caused them to eventually gain sentience, hence the named Sentient. This in mind, i would assume the "birthing" of a new sentient does involve some kind choice in their construction, like lets say we will make more canon fodder minions or specialized builders. So... my theory is this. When the large portion of Sentients traveled through the void, which includes Natah, the Oro once formerly belonging to Margulis, latched on or transfered into the Natah for reasons unexplained. Again, because Oro is more like a photograph, the Oro didn't take over Natah and transfer consciousness, it instead gave Natah memories. Memories Natah was unable to discern between what was really her own, and what was Margulis. When Natah was given the mission to "trick" the Tenno into trusting her, Natah started feeling emotions for them. The imprints left behind of Margulis began to affect Natah. The same motherly feels Margulis had, Natah started to share, and slowly the two identities fused as one being. Margulis is Natah, and Natah is Margulis, and donned the name Lotus. Fueled by her desires to let her children finally live a normal life they deserved for so long, she followed the Sentients command to first free the Tenno from Orokin, then used her children to free herself from the Sentients. With both sides destroyed, her children could finally rest, with mother guiding us, and the galaxy left to solve itself, we would only be wakened when our time came. It probably isn't the best theory, but i always found it strange that out of the blue, what was supposed to be our enemy, filled the place of our adoptive mother Margulis for really no reason than becoming sterile and unable to produce children. There had to be another reason, something had to have happened in the void.
Unless 'The Jade Light' that was used to execute her banishes the Oro into the Void. Thus making it a defacto method of death, since an Oro couldn't be found and retrieved so far as the Orokin knew.
@@RandemFellow Not a problem with this guy's theory. In his theory, the oro is an image of the original, so even though the person seems to live on, it's actually a copy of that person who lives on. The actual problem with this theory, although it doesn't change much, is that all sentients become sterile after passing through the void, not just Natah.
Hm-m, that's it? What are we, some sort of... Ghost in the Shell? Btw, glad to see your return. And you said that your content is shit. Dude, it's more informative and clear than 80% of Warframe content, ffs. Keep up the good work, StallordD.
I don't exactly know what you tell yourself, but I'd tell you that your lore videos are very interesting. I know it's just speculation and whatnot but it's always nice to have another theory. Especially one presented as nice as yours and where seemingly lots of thought has gone into.
I like the way you describ the Oro, that match perfectly with the Mask of the Revenant "unworldy" dimension in which the energy of the Eidolon is trapped, like an after-life for sentients.
"without all of crazy skull fucking....." You do realize the Tenno are all orphan tweens and teens? There's no way their mental landscape hasn't turned the void into one giant Linkin Park concert.
Nidus The body the sentient's oro was in will still be there after killed, unless desecrated and the new sentient carrier provides new bodies to sentient oro that hasn't been consumed so it would only make sense the operators themselves could manifest into a sentient body that doesn't have it's oro
You're thinking about it too much. The concept is not developed well enough to make actual sense. This video is mostly just using analogies to describe a concept that's not well defined.
Fuck dude, this was amazing. I never tought about implementing teshins cónclave philosophy into the game as a fact and even less to relate it with kuva and the sentients
The only thing bothering me Is Were the Orokin mortal before the appearance of the tenno? because all that knowledge about oro, transference and continuity would be impossible to know for them without the kids from the void
Yea they were using Kuva long before the Tenno existed. Oro is really only talked about in Conclave and to my knowledge isn't mentioned in the main game at all, at this point i dont consider it cannon
Very good lore video and observation towards the mystery of tenno transference and the void. There is one thing that bothers me is what kind of material is a warframe made out of. At first, I assumed it was infested flesh from the technocyte virus, but I can also think its partially sentient given that hunhow gave clues that we craft weapons and frames out of their bones(Fragments).
When your operator dies, they don't "die" persay, they hit 2hp and return. This is them returning as fast as possible to the orbiter by any means necessary and regaining health there. May have something to do with the Oro though. Also, what on earth and the kuva fortress is Transference Static and why does it exist?
@@ctavi6654 I think he refers to the times you die in the war within (and I think it happens too when you fight Umbra on his quest as well), where we can see our operators floating in the void and then we come back to a checkpoint. Also, the transference static could simulate us "dying" in combat, we take a break, but the consequences of being badly injured are still there until we recover completely, it debuffs you and your warframe in hp and I think other things (you lose the operator´s energy and warframe shields)
@@rick30521 my theory is that the operator never leaves the orbiter and the little guy we can control in the missions is just some sort of void energy holographic ghost killer thing
You see the operator sleeping cause transference itself is a Lucid Dream. And Tenno can do a special type of transference where they make projections of themselves on the battlefield. When that projection/vessel "dies," all that's left is the dream, until the operator makes a new projection to continue the mission.
do Tenno actually posses Oro, or is it just something shoved up their Warframes? because I never had the impression the actual Tenno is immortal, beyond maybe not aging, but even that might not be the case.
The only practical conclusion I could draw from this hypothesis is that the Stalker cannot kill Tenno because it does not possess Oro and has to harvest kuva to stay alive instead. Merely speculation but, perhaps, its attempted assassination of the Operator was out of desperation after the Hunhow has promised it means to extract the Oro. It also supports the theory on the true nature of specters.
DarkDemonWolf76 do the math. The thing is ment to collect 8 kuva. So it has enough power to collect 8. We take 4 of them, that means it should have enough power to get atleast 4 more. Why does each one blow up after collecting 1 per a brade.
well, i have one theory. The machine is meant to extract kuva, and kuva only, which is basically a diluted form of Oro. When we intercept the kuva cloud, we absorb it, causing the connection to switch from the kuva, to us, and our pure Oro overloads the machine, destroying a braid.
You know, you forgot to mention one other being we've seen in-game who might also have an Oro... Captain Vor, the corrupted one you fight in the Void. He's got a similar glowing orb in his chest that could be his Oro. I'm guessing his weird Janus Void Key did something to the Grineer leader that made this possible, or maybe he just had enough void energy channeled through him via the key that he GAINED an Oro. Just a thought.
Look at them, they come to this place when they know they are not pure. Tenno use the keys, but they are mere trespassers. Only I, Vor, know the true power of the Void. I was cut in half, destroyed, but through its Janus Key, the Void called to me. It brought me here and here I was reborn. We cannot blame these creatures, they are being led by a false prophet, an imposter who knows not the secrets of the Void. Behold the Tenno, come to scavenge and desecrate this sacred realm. My brothers, did I not tell of this day? Did I not prophesize this moment? Now, I will stop them. Now I am changed, reborn through the energy of the Janus Key. Forever bound to the Void. Let it be known, if the Tenno want true salvation, they will lay down their arms, and wait for the baptism of my Janus key. It is time. I will teach these trespassers the redemptive power of my Janus key. They will learn its simple truth. The Tenno are lost, and they will resist. But I, Vor, will cleanse this place of their impurity. I should sleep...
very solid analysis of the given facts, and your suppositions are not nearly as high fantasy as I feared. in particular, the idea that the Oro is just the void reflection of reality, instead of some quasi-religious soul, is particularly tasty.
If anyone is interested in the orokin and the void, and how they controlled it, I recently read a book that parallels a lot of this. City At The End Of Time, by Greg Bear. The chaos (void) and how an advanced race (orokin) had to deal with it and how the people of the current universe have to deal with it. Also includes time travel transference. Crazy stuff.
I have a theory, what if the Oro is not so much a soul itself, but an interface for a soul to control what the Oro is within, akin to a memory card? And transference is what allows the Tenno to transfer their soul to and from their body and a Warframe, and use the Warframe as a conduit to move their physical body outside the orbiter or the capsule in the reservoir. The synaptic link would be a process involved in how transference is established, by allowing the Tenno to control the brain or Oro of a Warframe, Sentient or similar biotechnology (like Golden Maw) as if it was its own body, because it effectively would be. This would make removing an Oro from a Warframe or Sentient necessary to prevent it from coming back to life, provided its body is intact or capable of regeneration, because without the body containing the Oro, the Oro would be the whole of the "body". It's possible that the Neural Sentry interface implants an Oro into its host. This leads to another detail: immortality through the Oro, because it could also serve as a means of regulating and perpetuating the biological functions of the host, possibly rebuilding telomeres in a Warframe, allowing it to rebuild it's genome rapidly if it would be killed, maybe this is limited in the short-term, so a Warframe can only use this effect so many times before it would require more time than available to regrow the necessary genetic material to reanimate itself. This raises a question: if my theory holds water, what happens to the Warframes when their operator dies, like for good? Or what if the Operator is an Oro inside their own body, keeping it alive using void energy, akin to installing a backup in their own body to centre their own transference network?
I want to talk about Oro. Spoilers. In the new war, during the handshake scene, I really think we see how the tenno got their Oro. The visions of our operator dying felt like that was our Oro at work. I think whenever we should die, but don't die, that death is sent to a different timeline in order for us to survive. If we try to apply Eternalism to Oro's gift of immortality, I think the operators we've known for years are actually dead&void and represent death while the drifter version is the half that is still alive and still aging. We can't have one without the other at this point though because of this deal we made. I think the operators are dead but alive, while the drifter is alive but dead. And both versions are just as real as the other. I think wally legit stole our life, keeps it stuck in the void, and eternally created a legit void demon version of us who cannot die because we're already dead. Also, since mother on Deimos thinks Albrecht is still alive down there in the ruins. If we ever do see him, I'd be really curious to see whether he's infested or not. If he's immune to the infestation, like the tenno, I would assume he has Oro and is similarly half-dead, half-alive. I would also assume he wouldn't look as old as we might think for a grandfather to look. Maybe I'm totally wrong. If i'm wrong though I desperately need some explanations for the new war lore.
I think you're right. Minus the Void Demon part. We're called demons by the Orokin because we're something that defies the laws of reality. If they were to kill us (which they won't as I am sure that they still don't have any means to harm Oro back then) they're probably either Shun us even more (which is the more likely thing to happen) because we're a dirt to their own image of immortality with powers beyond Godlike in comparison to their tech sorcery, or the Orokin as a species would Revere us as young Gods. Or both. Dividing the Orokin species as a whole. Yes, we are Dead but alive, but never possessed. Just given or changed our Oro to be connected to the Void. Losing our "Light" our connection to reality. Why did I proclaim that? Well, it's because if we needed to have our Oro be "Taken", then the Drifter would also be Dead but Alive. But all that it has done is to just merge all of the timelines together in order to give the Operator two forms. Their older and younger selves. Which means we're not dead, but more like we have our Oro be able to directly connected from the Void itself and not connected to Reality.
@@brendanmuller7301 A Tenno can just imagine something and it would just come true. Which is what happened in Duviri. Yes it is just shown while the Drifter or Tenno in the Void. But this is just from reading a book and vaguely imagining it, not forcing it into being. No Psyker chants, no rituals, just a kid's imagination. The existence of the Man in the Wall, the Void God is just the Void given form by *one of them.* While this feat is just in the void (with it being the fourth open world) None, not even the Emperor of Mankind could just snap his fingers and create one single dominating entity with full control of the warp within it's entirety. That's beyond want the entire Eldar race could even manage to do. These are not just "Unkillable kids with psyker powers", these are *Star Children.* And before you can ask, the warp cannot even merge two timelines. Before you can say that the Warp is an 11D Eldritch well of power, it's just a polar opposite of the materium. 40k is written in a very vague way from a very unreliable narrator, as it would often contradict itself. An example of this is the the genestealer codex contradicting itself in the same page. Matter of fact, it would be more believable that the corrupted space marine legions conquering and breaking planets from other realities can just be a very realistic imagination of how they want things to go down conquering the 40k millennium. The very best way to find out the truth here is to look for the more consistent codex Lore's. Also I know that the Warp is also very consistent on its time traveling shenanigans. But never an in-depth analysis on if the Warp is stuck with the same timeline of the previous, never connecting to the parallel branch of a timeline (because we never get to see other timelines of that Ork Waaagh boss who beat up his past self... Which can be as straightforward as his literal past self and he didn't get to be erased because of the Waagh Ork power. There should have been more different versions of him travelling back at that same point in time. But we didn't get any of that, which makes option 1 the more plausible explanation) Or the Warp is a supernatural power connecting to all timelines. Which, again, will not make sense with the orc Waagh boss.
@@brendanmuller7301 Apologies if I came out strong. Mostly because 40k fans usually exaggerate stuff that I had to explain thoroughly as to why some things are not to be taken literally in the source books. But yeah, technically they are perpetual psykers.
Now that i think about it, Orokin pretty much did the same to Ordan Karris as Matt Trent to Greta in his story of Black Mirror, White Christmas episode.
A "photograph" of a point in time and then that image is free to do whatever it needs to do even if it is just a mirage. I'm fairly sure this is what Spectres are supposed to be.
Hello, excuse the question, but then how would you explain the corrupted captain Vor? He's cut in two and the golden glowing between both of his halves looks very like the Sentient's "oro", but not even warframes can destroy it, thank you in advance.
Oro could be the reason how Transference Static happens when your Tenno only has 2 Health Points left. Tenno maybe are using some Oro from their Warframes after getting back in them to regain their Health Points, but not in the same way a Warframe would use its own Oro to revive itself. But in a way how a Warframe has its maximum Health Point capacity temporarily reduced...
Dude... DE need to more effective implemented lore parts ingame... It's too awesome to putting it in that thousand char's of text that hard to put together... And that sad, because for more people it can be pretty interesting by monstrous sci-fi charm like in Dune... But because it is hide for more people it just another grindy MMO.
I am not quite sure I understand the logic behind the Sentients having Oro in this vid, as you explained it, it's just a copy of reality. That...That's kind of...I am not understanding the idea. Are you saying that the Sentients are simply powered by Void Stuff and that's it? It's just, a bunch of stuff from the void? Or are you saying the concept of existence is copied from the void itself and put into the Sentients so that they may exist? Since the very concept of existence is within them.
It's simply a fact, and it was either put into design by the Orokin or adapted by the Sentients on their journey to Tau Ceti. In other words, Oro is either the mechanism of 'the flaw' that their Archimedian creator instilled in them - the one that makes the Void poisonous to them, or it's the source of their sentience and they were never meant to have it. The golden sparks that fall to the floor when a Sentient is defeated is that Sentient's Oro, and we can walk over and crush/absorb it. There are meant to be Sentient 'carriers' that attempt to fly in and revitalize the Sentient forces by picking up the fallen fragment's Oro, placing it in other 'dummied' bodies, but these haven't made it into the game yet. It's not that the Sentients are powered by 'void stuff', it's that they aren't 'sentient' without it; they functioned just fine, they were living machines that replicated and did their jobs. But they weren't really 'people' or 'creatures' with thoughts until they attained a soul of sorts.
Do you still think that Sentients are connected to the "Crewman project"? Any thoughts on how their society is structured? What is the role of Sentient fragments, and if they have mind of their own, or if they are just proxies animated and driven by the shards of the Oro of singular father/mother Sentient
your channel is necessary, as much as I hate to admit it, for the longest time before cinematic quests started to be a thing in WF, DE used the FNAF method of storytelling, give some clues and someone will figure it out I guess
A soul: *insert flowey tutorial thing and explanation at the beginning of undertale because I forgot what it was and I don't want to look it up right now here*
Quick theory, after completing the Chains of Harrow quest, I gleefully returned to my orbiter and awaited my blueprint prize. I sat staring in awe as the ominous music complimented a new warframe. I smiled at the possibilities of this new weapon. Though things took a turn. I exited my codex planning on going into my foundry to see what I needed to make this frame, though instead, as soon as I left the corrupted voice of my Tenno, from the ending of War Within, simply said "Hey Kiddo." Their pinstripe eyes, warped voice, and familiar body sent chills down my spine. This experience brought me back to the War Within quest and made me wonder if our Tenno is still being affected by the queen, or maybe our Tenno is part of the queen. The queen we killed had messed with our Tenno's mind, planted herself in it. Teshin had gotten there in time to help, bless his heart. But as we chose what to do with the Kuva each option shows what has happened to us in the end. We are something else now. Another reason I theorize this is the phrase "kiddo." Apparently, our Tenno's father might have said it, but it could be just a trigger phrase made by the queen, sort of like how the main character worked in Bioshock. It could be a long shot, but think about it. It sorta makes sense.
Nah at the end of harrow quest you can hear the voice of rell "corrupted" and palladino say "it's not relll! it's...." He is what he warned us of , the man in the wall , the "thing out there , watching us" , as our dad said in war within flashback.
This is really late, but I've found a slight flaw in the theory: The Orokin had been using Kuva and Continuity before they discovered the Void. Alberecht Entraiti, the Orokin scientist who discovered the Void, casually stated he'd stop using Continuity after opening the Void. Its likely Kuva and Oro are related to metaphysics rooted in the real world. The most immediate comparison I can make is alchemy's philosopher stone. A mystical compound made from sophic mercury, sophic sulphur, and sophic salt (the ingredients needed to make a "complete human"). While it shared the ingredients of a "human" it was not a human, and instead gave whoever consumed it immortality. Its likely Kuva and Oro are similar, taking primordial metaphysical ingredients and using them to amplify the strength of the user's soul, allowing them to survive physical death.
I'm assuming the Orokin kuva was harvested from the 7 Emperors in the same way it is harvested from our tenno. The orokin most likely knew the void existed, but didn't understand it as they did during the old war. The oro and kuva are very much related to the void, as Teshin calls it the blood of the old orokin.
Also, forgot to mention explicitly, but the reason our Tenno causes Kuva to dissipate is due to it essentially being diluted Oro, so it is nullified when coming into contact with ours.
StallordD it is Good to see that you Are back. your love videos Are my favorit to watch.
agree man hes almoust 90% true in wat he says
StallordD Thx for another great lore video. You are the best man. Keep up good work.
StallordD last time I checked, Kuva dissipates because Riven cards suck it up so darn much
Where's the scene from 5:08 from? Is it a fan work or a cutscene from Warframe? Never seen it before
I wonder how much fan theory ends up as warframe lore, in the sense that the developers don't have a solid idea for 'X', someone like you makes a theory, and they just role with it and make it happen in game.
Probably better than anything they could come up with anyway.
Darthmufin if so, this man here is the real main writer
well the devs. stated tat WF a game based on "we the players" output and thoughts as WF.s an idea based game 🙄 soo the more ideas we come up wif the better odds tat the devs. use the players thoughts and suggestions we as tenno dish out soo ta speak 😅
soo in simpler terms speaking WF ish a fan idea upon based game soo if we tink it the devs. can make it so. tat ish as long as its in dev. abilty 🤣
Welcome to Warframe, robots have souls here.
Looks like robot hell exists
thanks, glados.
Cigars are evil, you won't miss 'em,
We'll find ways to simulate that smell,
What a sorry fella, rolled up and smoked like a Panetela, here on level one of Robot Hell! ;D
clawofthefallen eyyyy futurama
Not robots. Suits made of technosite are not robots. Maybe androids because the warframe has shown to have a little bit of will
"Master Qui Gon, what are Midichlorians?"
"...It's heroin. Now come along, you still have much to learn, young one."
DE: yea sure, why not.
shit write this stuff down
After just watching your Orokin Empire vid and this, i have a possible theory in warframe that i find just so peculiar that there has to be some connection here. Our original adoptive mother, Margulis. She loved us like no other. Even through the bouts of rage with exploding void energy slowly crippling her, she saw a light in us that the Orokin refused to see. Unlike kuva which is used to assimilate the host to the original user, rendering whatever person the host was, null and empty, giving the user free control, Oro is basically a photograph of the person. An imprint of everything they are. Like real life photographs, a third party viewing it can get an idea, the emotion and context of what they are viewing, however they will never be able to experience it themselves as it is not them. Now... if i remember correctly, unless the Oro of something is absorbed by another, that specific Oro can live on, floating in the void, waiting for a new "body" to occupy.
This brings me to the Sentients. The Sentients were able to fashion themselves something similar to Oro, but quite like Oro. Just a simple replica. What i find curious is that of all the Sentients, only one of them was drastically different then than the rest: Natah, our next adoptive and beloved space mom, the Lotus. We are told so far that Lotus defected after traveling through the void, and coming out the other side sterile. Unable to have children, she grew feelings for the Tenno, claimed them as her own, and betrayed the Sentient.
It seems kind of out of place for the daughter of, what is clearly either the leader, or at least a very powerful commander of the Sentient to be born with such a defect. While i don't claim i know how Sentients are born, we do know that they were originally machines built to constantly evolve against the harsh climate the Orokin sent them to, using the void as type of portal. This evolution caused them to eventually gain sentience, hence the named Sentient. This in mind, i would assume the "birthing" of a new sentient does involve some kind choice in their construction, like lets say we will make more canon fodder minions or specialized builders.
So... my theory is this. When the large portion of Sentients traveled through the void, which includes Natah, the Oro once formerly belonging to Margulis, latched on or transfered into the Natah for reasons unexplained. Again, because Oro is more like a photograph, the Oro didn't take over Natah and transfer consciousness, it instead gave Natah memories. Memories Natah was unable to discern between what was really her own, and what was Margulis. When Natah was given the mission to "trick" the Tenno into trusting her, Natah started feeling emotions for them. The imprints left behind of Margulis began to affect Natah. The same motherly feels Margulis had, Natah started to share, and slowly the two identities fused as one being. Margulis is Natah, and Natah is Margulis, and donned the name Lotus. Fueled by her desires to let her children finally live a normal life they deserved for so long, she followed the Sentients command to first free the Tenno from Orokin, then used her children to free herself from the Sentients. With both sides destroyed, her children could finally rest, with mother guiding us, and the galaxy left to solve itself, we would only be wakened when our time came.
It probably isn't the best theory, but i always found it strange that out of the blue, what was supposed to be our enemy, filled the place of our adoptive mother Margulis for really no reason than becoming sterile and unable to produce children. There had to be another reason, something had to have happened in the void.
Kayle the Judicator Could be possible, because lotus is basically Margulis when you think about it.
Koen Kohrt Yup, and in the Chains of Harrow we actually found out that Natah deliberately chose the form of Margulis, as her new image.
Kayle the Judicator
There is a problem: People with Oro are immortal. If Margulis had oro, she couldn't have been executed.
Unless 'The Jade Light' that was used to execute her banishes the Oro into the Void. Thus making it a defacto method of death, since an Oro couldn't be found and retrieved so far as the Orokin knew.
@@RandemFellow Not a problem with this guy's theory. In his theory, the oro is an image of the original, so even though the person seems to live on, it's actually a copy of that person who lives on.
The actual problem with this theory, although it doesn't change much, is that all sentients become sterile after passing through the void, not just Natah.
Nice to see some coherent theories for a change as opposed to mindless rambling.
*Glares at DK*
Stalker created the Tenno
Rena8 Stalker is the space daddy
@@rena8215 Get out of here, Stalker.
Thank God you're back, love the vids.
And the plot thickens. I love your videos on What we Know. The Warframe depiction of a "Soul" is very interesting to me.
It's copied from Warhammer 40k.
Hm-m, that's it? What are we, some sort of... Ghost in the Shell?
Btw, glad to see your return. And you said that your content is shit. Dude, it's more informative and clear than 80% of Warframe content, ffs. Keep up the good work, StallordD.
I don't exactly know what you tell yourself, but I'd tell you that your lore videos are very interesting. I know it's just speculation and whatnot but it's always nice to have another theory. Especially one presented as nice as yours and where seemingly lots of thought has gone into.
I like the way you describ the Oro, that match perfectly with the Mask of the Revenant "unworldy" dimension in which the energy of the Eidolon is trapped, like an after-life for sentients.
I love how you bind things together, thank you for this awesome theory! *clap clap*
O-oro??
*has horrific flashbacks of Vey Hek’s boss fight hearing his maniacal laughter*
I would love to see you make a video ramble on and on about the lore's implications of the soul.
I could put that shit on repeat for days
Oh my. I was wondering when you'd make another one of these. Love 'em all.
Yuvan is simply the grineer word for the Tenno children. The word "yuvan" is Sanskrit for "youth"
Orokin word for children in general, but yeah.
Anyone here thing that the void sounds a lot like the warp, without all of crazy skull fucking deamons and gods.
Hmm, yess...
"without all of crazy skull fucking....."
You do realize the Tenno are all orphan tweens and teens? There's no way their mental landscape hasn't turned the void into one giant Linkin Park concert.
Feature Length so pg slaanesh then
Yeah, kind of. Except the void is way less dangerous, stupid, stupidely dangeous and dangerously stupid than the warp...
Feature Length lmfao hahaha
For anyone wondering the Cutscene at 5:09 is from the Valkyr prime Cinematic trailer
was wondering if that was her
Really do enjoy what you make, keep at it you got my support for what ever your working on :3
I wonder if we'll be able to transference into a sentient after consuming it's oro leaving only it's shell
Since they blow up ... No
Gira omg, yes. let's hope it will.
Nidus The body the sentient's oro was in will still be there after killed, unless desecrated and the new sentient carrier provides new bodies to sentient oro that hasn't been consumed so it would only make sense the operators themselves could manifest into a sentient body that doesn't have it's oro
Blazestar13 Can't wait to be able to spam tornado of death and stun lock
Not gonna lie, if that's the case, then it would be hype af. What with that giant Sentient kaijuu in the upcoming Plains of Eidolon.
You confused me. All I could understand is that Kuva is used for immortality. The rest you lost me on completely.
Last Dragonborn basically, Oro is the soul, and the void energy related to that prevent our death
You're thinking about it too much. The concept is not developed well enough to make actual sense. This video is mostly just using analogies to describe a concept that's not well defined.
so good to see another one of these videos, i was worried my favourite source of warframe pub-trivia was not going to continue
I missed this lore videos from you so hard. Keep the good job going, dude!
Js, my Operator chugged that forbidden powerade
Fuck dude, this was amazing. I never tought about implementing teshins cónclave philosophy into the game as a fact and even less to relate it with kuva and the sentients
The only thing bothering me Is Were the Orokin mortal before the appearance of the tenno? because all that knowledge about oro, transference and continuity would be impossible to know for them without the kids from the void
Yea they were using Kuva long before the Tenno existed. Oro is really only talked about in Conclave and to my knowledge isn't mentioned in the main game at all, at this point i dont consider it cannon
I always enjoyed these warframe lore vids, good job!
Very good lore video and observation towards the mystery of tenno transference and the void. There is one thing that bothers me is what kind of material is a warframe made out of. At first, I assumed it was infested flesh from the technocyte virus, but I can also think its partially sentient given that hunhow gave clues that we craft weapons and frames out of their bones(Fragments).
Chroma is made with sentient. (a bit)
It is good to see your videos again, welcome back!!!
Awsome work as always keep it up :D
So does this explain why when you die as a operator your in the void sleeping only to reawake alive like nothing happened?
yes
When your operator dies, they don't "die" persay, they hit 2hp and return. This is them returning as fast as possible to the orbiter by any means necessary and regaining health there. May have something to do with the Oro though. Also, what on earth and the kuva fortress is Transference Static and why does it exist?
@@ctavi6654 I think he refers to the times you die in the war within (and I think it happens too when you fight Umbra on his quest as well), where we can see our operators floating in the void and then we come back to a checkpoint.
Also, the transference static could simulate us "dying" in combat, we take a break, but the consequences of being badly injured are still there until we recover completely, it debuffs you and your warframe in hp and I think other things (you lose the operator´s energy and warframe shields)
@@rick30521 my theory is that the operator never leaves the orbiter and the little guy we can control in the missions is just some sort of void energy holographic ghost killer thing
You see the operator sleeping cause transference itself is a Lucid Dream. And Tenno can do a special type of transference where they make projections of themselves on the battlefield. When that projection/vessel "dies," all that's left is the dream, until the operator makes a new projection to continue the mission.
Orokin.....Oro...Kin
Kin = related or one's family and relations.
that is english
No shit
Oro means gold, in latin...just giving my two cents
Kin also means 'gold' in Japanese.
Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker
So Orokin can mean:
Gold Family
Gold Gold
Soul family
Soul Gold
@StallordD your theory is just incredibly genius!!!
look how DE will use this.
5 seconds into this video gave me chills... had to pause to give it a like.
do Tenno actually posses Oro, or is it just something shoved up their Warframes? because I never had the impression the actual Tenno is immortal, beyond maybe not aging, but even that might not be the case.
Thank you for being at it again.
The only practical conclusion I could draw from this hypothesis is that the Stalker cannot kill Tenno because it does not possess Oro and has to harvest kuva to stay alive instead. Merely speculation but, perhaps, its attempted assassination of the Operator was out of desperation after the Hunhow has promised it means to extract the Oro.
It also supports the theory on the true nature of specters.
Explain why siphons exploid from the player collecting kuva. It makes no sense to me.
Ｍｅｍｅ🏃Ｓａｇｅ *explode (?)
Overload maybe?
Ｍｅｍｅ🏃Ｓａｇｅ you're everwhere :D (Im a subscriber)
DarkDemonWolf76 do the math. The thing is ment to collect 8 kuva. So it has enough power to collect 8. We take 4 of them, that means it should have enough power to get atleast 4 more. Why does each one blow up after collecting 1 per a brade.
well, i have one theory. The machine is meant to extract kuva, and kuva only, which is basically a diluted form of Oro. When we intercept the kuva cloud, we absorb it, causing the connection to switch from the kuva, to us, and our pure Oro overloads the machine, destroying a braid.
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You know, you forgot to mention one other being we've seen in-game who might also have an Oro...
Captain Vor, the corrupted one you fight in the Void. He's got a similar glowing orb in his chest that could be his Oro. I'm guessing his weird Janus Void Key did something to the Grineer leader that made this possible, or maybe he just had enough void energy channeled through him via the key that he GAINED an Oro.
Just a thought.
Look at them, they come to this place when they know they are not pure.
Tenno use the keys, but they are mere trespassers. Only I, Vor, know the true power of the Void.
I was cut in half, destroyed, but through its Janus Key, the Void called to me. It brought me here and here I was reborn.
We cannot blame these creatures, they are being led by a false prophet, an imposter who knows not the secrets of the Void.
Behold the Tenno, come to scavenge and desecrate this sacred realm.
My brothers, did I not tell of this day? Did I not prophesize this moment?
Now, I will stop them. Now I am changed, reborn through the energy of the Janus Key. Forever bound to the Void.
Let it be known, if the Tenno want true salvation, they will lay down their arms, and wait for the baptism of my Janus key.
It is time. I will teach these trespassers the redemptive power of my Janus key. They will learn its simple truth.
The Tenno are lost, and they will resist. But I, Vor, will cleanse this place of their impurity.
I should sleep...
very solid analysis of the given facts, and your suppositions are not nearly as high fantasy as I feared.
in particular, the idea that the Oro is just the void reflection of reality, instead of some quasi-religious soul, is particularly tasty.
A very fascinating analysis, thank you!
the dislikes were left by the grineer
Good to see you doing lore stuff again.
THX StallordD really nice vid, i miss you bro!!!
If anyone is interested in the orokin and the void, and how they controlled it, I recently read a book that parallels a lot of this. City At The End Of Time, by Greg Bear. The chaos (void) and how an advanced race (orokin) had to deal with it and how the people of the current universe have to deal with it. Also includes time travel transference. Crazy stuff.
I have a theory, what if the Oro is not so much a soul itself, but an interface for a soul to control what the Oro is within, akin to a memory card? And transference is what allows the Tenno to transfer their soul to and from their body and a Warframe, and use the Warframe as a conduit to move their physical body outside the orbiter or the capsule in the reservoir. The synaptic link would be a process involved in how transference is established, by allowing the Tenno to control the brain or Oro of a Warframe, Sentient or similar biotechnology (like Golden Maw) as if it was its own body, because it effectively would be. This would make removing an Oro from a Warframe or Sentient necessary to prevent it from coming back to life, provided its body is intact or capable of regeneration, because without the body containing the Oro, the Oro would be the whole of the "body". It's possible that the Neural Sentry interface implants an Oro into its host. This leads to another detail: immortality through the Oro, because it could also serve as a means of regulating and perpetuating the biological functions of the host, possibly rebuilding telomeres in a Warframe, allowing it to rebuild it's genome rapidly if it would be killed, maybe this is limited in the short-term, so a Warframe can only use this effect so many times before it would require more time than available to regrow the necessary genetic material to reanimate itself. This raises a question: if my theory holds water, what happens to the Warframes when their operator dies, like for good? Or what if the Operator is an Oro inside their own body, keeping it alive using void energy, akin to installing a backup in their own body to centre their own transference network?
I love What we know series
and so....the Stallord returns....
The way you describe Oro reminds me of platonic perfect forms.
that sentient clip - was that new from warframe, or fanmade?
thanks, and lovely work
Ok. When i saw oro in the title, i legit thought you were going to talk about vay hek's boss fight
amazing video as always
I want to talk about Oro. Spoilers.
In the new war, during the handshake scene, I really think we see how the tenno got their Oro. The visions of our operator dying felt like that was our Oro at work. I think whenever we should die, but don't die, that death is sent to a different timeline in order for us to survive.
If we try to apply Eternalism to Oro's gift of immortality, I think the operators we've known for years are actually dead&void and represent death while the drifter version is the half that is still alive and still aging. We can't have one without the other at this point though because of this deal we made.
I think the operators are dead but alive, while the drifter is alive but dead. And both versions are just as real as the other.
I think wally legit stole our life, keeps it stuck in the void, and eternally created a legit void demon version of us who cannot die because we're already dead.
Also, since mother on Deimos thinks Albrecht is still alive down there in the ruins. If we ever do see him, I'd be really curious to see whether he's infested or not. If he's immune to the infestation, like the tenno, I would assume he has Oro and is similarly half-dead, half-alive. I would also assume he wouldn't look as old as we might think for a grandfather to look.
Maybe I'm totally wrong. If i'm wrong though I desperately need some explanations for the new war lore.
I think you're right. Minus the Void Demon part.
We're called demons by the Orokin because we're something that defies the laws of reality.
If they were to kill us (which they won't as I am sure that they still don't have any means to harm Oro back then) they're probably either Shun us even more (which is the more likely thing to happen) because we're a dirt to their own image of immortality with powers beyond Godlike in comparison to their tech sorcery, or the Orokin as a species would Revere us as young Gods.
Or both. Dividing the Orokin species as a whole.
Yes, we are Dead but alive, but never possessed. Just given or changed our Oro to be connected to the Void. Losing our "Light" our connection to reality.
Why did I proclaim that? Well, it's because if we needed to have our Oro be "Taken", then the Drifter would also be Dead but Alive. But all that it has done is to just merge all of the timelines together in order to give the Operator two forms. Their older and younger selves.
Which means we're not dead, but more like we have our Oro be able to directly connected from the Void itself and not connected to Reality.
@@dontuspowerus1093 So just a perpetual psyker from warhammer 40k
@@brendanmuller7301 A Tenno can just imagine something and it would just come true. Which is what happened in Duviri. Yes it is just shown while the Drifter or Tenno in the Void. But this is just from reading a book and vaguely imagining it, not forcing it into being.
No Psyker chants, no rituals, just a kid's imagination.
The existence of the Man in the Wall, the Void God is just the Void given form by *one of them.*
While this feat is just in the void (with it being the fourth open world) None, not even the Emperor of Mankind could just snap his fingers and create one single dominating entity with full control of the warp within it's entirety.
That's beyond want the entire Eldar race could even manage to do.
These are not just "Unkillable kids with psyker powers", these are *Star Children.*
And before you can ask, the warp cannot even merge two timelines. Before you can say that the Warp is an 11D Eldritch well of power, it's just a polar opposite of the materium.
40k is written in a very vague way from a very unreliable narrator, as it would often contradict itself. An example of this is the the genestealer codex contradicting itself in the same page.
Matter of fact, it would be more believable that the corrupted space marine legions conquering and breaking planets from other realities can just be a very realistic imagination of how they want things to go down conquering the 40k millennium.
The very best way to find out the truth here is to look for the more consistent codex Lore's.
Also I know that the Warp is also very consistent on its time traveling shenanigans. But never an in-depth analysis on if the Warp is stuck with the same timeline of the previous, never connecting to the parallel branch of a timeline (because we never get to see other timelines of that Ork Waaagh boss who beat up his past self... Which can be as straightforward as his literal past self and he didn't get to be erased because of the Waagh Ork power. There should have been more different versions of him travelling back at that same point in time. But we didn't get any of that, which makes option 1 the more plausible explanation)
Or the Warp is a supernatural power connecting to all timelines. Which, again, will not make sense with the orc Waagh boss.
@@dontuspowerus1093 Not reading all that. My point is true.
@@brendanmuller7301 Apologies if I came out strong. Mostly because 40k fans usually exaggerate stuff that I had to explain thoroughly as to why some things are not to be taken literally in the source books.
But yeah, technically they are perpetual psykers.
please dont stop posting this awesome lore videos!!
Really hope that you get what you deserve)
Great vid as always.
Now that i think about it, Orokin pretty much did the same to Ordan Karris as Matt Trent to Greta in his story of Black Mirror, White Christmas episode.
Have been playing for a while but just realized, Yuvan, the word is Sanskrit for "Young" or "Youth" referring to eternal youth in the game
A "photograph" of a point in time and then that image is free to do whatever it needs to do even if it is just a mirage. I'm fairly sure this is what Spectres are supposed to be.
wat was that clip from with the corpus torwards the end of the video
It was from Valkyr Prime trailer
ERRORNAME thx
Hello, excuse the question, but then how would you explain the corrupted captain Vor? He's cut in two and the golden glowing between both of his halves looks very like the Sentient's "oro", but not even warframes can destroy it, thank you in advance.
Do you play on PS4? I could've sworn I came across someone named stallord in conclave a few days ago. Maybe just coincidence having the same name.
We missed you
Acctualy. The stalker has a long and personal history with the tenno. i think he's fully concious
Wait, you talk about how original or mother sentients are the only ones that can consume Oro. Being where the lore is today, that could mean something
between this and destiny's grimoire, I'm getting all the eldritch technobabble a man could want.
same, but instead of the grimoire, I have the Warhammer 40k wiki (and 1d4chan) ^-^
ahhhh *oro* kin as in the kin of oro
I love this series; thx for posting this vid
Good to see your videos again ^-^
You learn about the oro in detail during the story of Voruna's great hunt
Oro could be the reason how Transference Static happens when your Tenno only has 2 Health Points left.
Tenno maybe are using some Oro from their Warframes after getting back in them to regain their Health Points, but not in the same way a Warframe would use its own Oro to revive itself. But in a way how a Warframe has its maximum Health Point capacity temporarily reduced...
YAY You're doing this again :D
Heh... I only just understood the name Orokin, Oro Kin, those with an Oro see others with an Oro as their kin. Great videos btw!
Except the Orokin are pretty much the only immortal beings in Warframe that don't use oro... they use kuva
Dude... DE need to more effective implemented lore parts ingame... It's too awesome to putting it in that thousand char's of text that hard to put together... And that sad, because for more people it can be pretty interesting by monstrous sci-fi charm like in Dune... But because it is hide for more people it just another grindy MMO.
I liked the idea with stalker
where was that last cinematic with the corpus from? I didn't recognize it at all...
The new Valkyr Prime trailer
I am not quite sure I understand the logic behind the Sentients having Oro in this vid, as you explained it, it's just a copy of reality. That...That's kind of...I am not understanding the idea. Are you saying that the Sentients are simply powered by Void Stuff and that's it? It's just, a bunch of stuff from the void? Or are you saying the concept of existence is copied from the void itself and put into the Sentients so that they may exist? Since the very concept of existence is within them.
It's simply a fact, and it was either put into design by the Orokin or adapted by the Sentients on their journey to Tau Ceti. In other words, Oro is either the mechanism of 'the flaw' that their Archimedian creator instilled in them - the one that makes the Void poisonous to them, or it's the source of their sentience and they were never meant to have it.
The golden sparks that fall to the floor when a Sentient is defeated is that Sentient's Oro, and we can walk over and crush/absorb it. There are meant to be Sentient 'carriers' that attempt to fly in and revitalize the Sentient forces by picking up the fallen fragment's Oro, placing it in other 'dummied' bodies, but these haven't made it into the game yet.
It's not that the Sentients are powered by 'void stuff', it's that they aren't 'sentient' without it; they functioned just fine, they were living machines that replicated and did their jobs. But they weren't really 'people' or 'creatures' with thoughts until they attained a soul of sorts.
Do you still think that Sentients are connected to the "Crewman project"? Any thoughts on how their society is structured? What is the role of Sentient fragments, and if they have mind of their own, or if they are just proxies animated and driven by the shards of the Oro of singular father/mother Sentient
look who's back
Well, also Ordan Karris was forcefully turned into Ordis to punish him after all.
Kuva, evil koolaid I drank that shit for funsies.
your channel is necessary, as much as I hate to admit it, for the longest time before cinematic quests started to be a thing in WF, DE used the FNAF method of storytelling, give some clues and someone will figure it out I guess
where did you get done of these cutscenes
Love your lore speculations but I am fairly certain that yuvan means ‘youth’ (noun)
intellectually stimulating as always
i missing playing on pc
StallordD
Do Dax and Teshin use Warframe and Kuva ?
always love your videos ^_^
Yuvan means "young" it refers strictly to the child being sacrificed not the whole process. The process or ritual is Continuity
Yup.
Can you do a video on the Man in the Wall?
wow warframe lore is on par with skyrim lore, thats friggin AWESOME :D
A soul: *insert flowey tutorial thing and explanation at the beginning of undertale because I forgot what it was and I don't want to look it up right now here*
Quick theory, after completing the Chains of Harrow quest, I gleefully returned to my orbiter and awaited my blueprint prize. I sat staring in awe as the ominous music complimented a new warframe. I smiled at the possibilities of this new weapon. Though things took a turn. I exited my codex planning on going into my foundry to see what I needed to make this frame, though instead, as soon as I left the corrupted voice of my Tenno, from the ending of War Within, simply said "Hey Kiddo." Their pinstripe eyes, warped voice, and familiar body sent chills down my spine. This experience brought me back to the War Within quest and made me wonder if our Tenno is still being affected by the queen, or maybe our Tenno is part of the queen. The queen we killed had messed with our Tenno's mind, planted herself in it. Teshin had gotten there in time to help, bless his heart. But as we chose what to do with the Kuva each option shows what has happened to us in the end. We are something else now. Another reason I theorize this is the phrase "kiddo." Apparently, our Tenno's father might have said it, but it could be just a trigger phrase made by the queen, sort of like how the main character worked in Bioshock. It could be a long shot, but think about it. It sorta makes sense.
Nah at the end of harrow quest you can hear the voice of rell "corrupted" and palladino say "it's not relll! it's...."
He is what he warned us of , the man in the wall , the "thing out there , watching us" , as our dad said in war within flashback.
awesome
What was that animation after the Mirage text? The crewman turning some machines on with the holo of a Sentient.
valk prime trailer
This is really late, but I've found a slight flaw in the theory: The Orokin had been using Kuva and Continuity before they discovered the Void. Alberecht Entraiti, the Orokin scientist who discovered the Void, casually stated he'd stop using Continuity after opening the Void.
Its likely Kuva and Oro are related to metaphysics rooted in the real world. The most immediate comparison I can make is alchemy's philosopher stone. A mystical compound made from sophic mercury, sophic sulphur, and sophic salt (the ingredients needed to make a "complete human"). While it shared the ingredients of a "human" it was not a human, and instead gave whoever consumed it immortality. Its likely Kuva and Oro are similar, taking primordial metaphysical ingredients and using them to amplify the strength of the user's soul, allowing them to survive physical death.
I'm assuming the Orokin kuva was harvested from the 7 Emperors in the same way it is harvested from our tenno. The orokin most likely knew the void existed, but didn't understand it as they did during the old war. The oro and kuva are very much related to the void, as Teshin calls it the blood of the old orokin.
hey StallordD do you think you will be doing to tenno con?
I'm trying to save money to go, I'm not sure yet.
gotcha
great to see ya
OH HELL YEAH NEW VID
awww yeah a vid thumbs up my man
where did that cutscene with the grineer using the sentient-oro thing come from?
If you mean at 5:11. That's the corpus using a sentient-corpus hybrid device from the Valkyr Prime Trailer.
Franklyn Jayke thanks