I like your videos !, I have the helios 16 with the same CPU but a 4070, turbo mod fans are absolutly untolerable, I was wondering if the lenovo legion pro 7i fan at max speed is also noisy like this ?? or is it way better and tolerable ? especially after undervolting (which is locked for acer). I could get the legion similar to my acer for about 400 dollar more, dont know if its worth it. Thanks in advance
They are equally as noisy with the exception of a few decibels higher or lower. I would say that the overall pitch of the Lenovo fans is a bit more tolerable then the Acer.
thanks, so the vapor chamber doesn't make it much less noisier then :(, I use my acer in performance mod though the noise is ok, just the turbo mod is insane, sounds like a jet engine 😄
I can't afford a 4090 laptop. 4080 ones already start upward of 3300USD in India. It would be nice if you could compare the Helios 16 and Zephyrus M16 . What I was trying to know is can't lower GPUs give 60+ fps 2k(non native,upscaled) ultra with frame generation enabled?😅
Yes you very much can achieve this but you will have to either tweak some settings for 2k at 60fps+ even with an RTX 4070 or 4060. I would not recommend a lower class GPU. Or if you can live with 1080p then I’ve demonstrated that you can gey near 60fps lock with most games using DLSS and Frame Generation even on an RTX 4050. I understand your position. But this year there is a much bigger gap between the 4050, 4060, 4070 vs 4080 and 4090 than ever before. And if you combine the power levels are so varied it just adds to the confusion. I do not have an M16 just yet. If I am able to get one then I will surely review and compare.
Thanks a lot for this very detailed and helpful review! 🙏 I am considering to get the Helios 18 with mini led, rtx4080, i9, 2TB ssd, 32gb ram (if it ever comes out..) for around 3700€ here in Germany but I‘m not sure if maybe the rog g18 or the Alienware m18 would be a better choice as they cost nearly the same here with the same specs but without mini led.. Main usage is 60% 4k gaming @ external projector with max. 60fps and 40% gaming in 1600p on the internal screen in bright environments. Mostly latest games that are hdr capable with max settings + RT and all dssl/fg. Any suggestions on which device to pick? Thanks a lot for any ideas and opinions from anyone :)
Oh in that case why not just grab the m18 r1 if the pricing is very similar. There's no timing on the release of the Predator Helios 18 in Canada or the USA as far as I can find. Also, the Helios 18 doesn't have a vapor chamber. I think that's a missed opportunity to keep the thermals and more importantly, the fan noise in check. The vapor chambers on the m18 r1 and the Strix G18 made it very possible to game without fan noise tearing your ear drums. I thought that was a very nice quality of life feature. And the 18" displays are all around superb. Of course, not HDR, so if that's a big want, might be worth the wait for mini-LED.
@@techknowlux thanks for your reply! The only thing that prevents me from getting the m18 (apart from not being mini led) is the bad brightness of the display which is something around 300nits and not being hdr capable and I do require at least a bit more brightness because I will be in bright environments sometimes.. You are right about the cooling which bothers me with the Helios as well. My hope is that it’s not as bad with the 18“ model as it is with the 16“ you tested. All alternatives seem to have some downsides as well unfortunately like the gt77 and blade 18 being too expensive, the rog g18 having coil whine.. did I miss any other device you might recommend? Thanks!
hey man, i have this exact model laptop. I was getting awful thermals as well so i repasted it with PTM7950. i should also note that the gpu and cpu had pea sized blank spots on the dye so that is probobly why the thermals are so bad. before the ptm7950 i would get hotspots of 110C now the Hotspot doesnt go above 95C and performs just as well as any other 4080 laptop.
@exdee4798 Nicely done. But when you're paying so much money for such a laptop, you would think that Acer can spend a few dollars extra and tune their quality control so that CPU/GPU are pasted properly with highest quality (costs few $ more) materials from the factory!
It is not a mechanical keyboard. It's a regular membrane keyboard but has decent tactility. The typing feel is decent, you'll adjust in a few days due to the shifted-left keyboard to accommodate the numpad. The screen latency is not an issue at 240Hz.
Just got the 18 inch mini led variant yesterday and it's great so far 🤩did some casual gaming in Forza Horizon 5/Hogwarts/Diablo 4 (Server Slam) all in max settings + dlss + fg and all felt quite smooth with around 80fps and temps below 90°C (fans in balanced mode) but did not play for longer than 30mins.. Built quality feels really good as well. Speakers are not bad BUT unfortunately the chassis resonates and rattles when turning volume to more than ~30% (which is quite silent) anything I could/should test?
Ohhhh that sounds pretty cool. How is the Mini-LED display? Have you cranked brightness, checked at very low levels like 20% or 30% backlight? Turn on HDR mode in Windows and then in some games to see if there is a jump in visual fidelity. It’s the whole reason to get Mini-LED where OLED isn’t an option.
@@techknowlux I love it! All brightness levels looked good to me although in games with HDR mode I was not able to decrease the brightness from the max. level (not sure if that’s normal?). With HDR turned on the display really gets twice as bright as without. I was even able to play Diablo4 (very dark scenery) outside under direct sunlight without any issues on the weekend. Colours and contrast are just amazing. Cyberpunk looked a bit too colourful/oversaturated for my taste but maybe some fine tuning changes that (ingame HDR calibration didn’t change a lot). Though I have to say that I do not have another similar display which I could compare this to. The ones I got are older and look greyish and not as bright compared to the mini led. Unfortunately I do not have my Mac Book Pro anymore but I have the feeling that the Helios display is significantly better although I wish the Helios would have more dimming zones. I could notice a bit blooming when running some test videos but apart from these tests I did not notice it at all.
I have the Legion Pro 7i RTX4080. The Mini LED option on rhe Acer seems appealing but rhe Lenovo has a higher TDP at 175w, quieter fans, and a vapour cooling chamber. I did make up for that by buying an open box Samsung Neo G7 32" Mini LED monitor. Your review on the Helios is very accurate and knowledgeable.
Thank you so much. I'm waiting to get the MiniLED model Acer for review. While 175W does sound good, it's not always about wattages only when it comes to performance. A locked 60fps on a Mini-LED with true HDR would be superior depending on the types of games one plays.
I update the BIOS to the latest. In my region it showed as 1.06 having been release on 4-28-2023. After the update there is no change to undervolting availability in the BIOs nor in Predator Sense as there was no software update for the control center software.
No undervolting available in the BIOS after 1.06 update release 4-28-2023. And no updates for Predator Sense so as mentioned in my review, no ability to undervolt or overclock there.
I SUBBBED. Idk why your channel never showed up while I searched for months. I really hope you make videos on MSI Vector 17HX and MSI Raider GE68HX. All the three 4080laptops are available on same price point here in my place. Im sooo soo confused as to which one to buy.
@Higher Order Construct that sounds great. I am heavily considering buying the 18 mini led version. I am looking for a 17-18 mini led, with a 4080, and I think this might be the only one for 2023. Any ETA on the mini led being available?
Sir I want a laptop that can run games at QHD+ ultra settings(RT and all) at 60fps+ on all current and upcoming titles(next 5years) with the aid of all bells and whistles of new GPUs like DLSS and Frame Gen enabled (not just raw performance, I don't wanna worry about hard stats/specs) I am confused wheather I should spend up to an rtx 4080 or should conserve and go for a 4070 one? the 4070 has been bashed a lot for its minimal ains over last gen and huge gap with 4080 but if it can serve my simple purpose then I won't care if it is flagship performer that replaces a desktop or whatever. I just don't wanna regret the decision either way (performance or price) as these machines have significant prices and I want it to last long with the possiblity that it would easily run any future game at the preffered settings I mentioned before (not less or more than that) for 4080 config I had the Acer Predator Helios 16 or Rog Zephyrus m16 in mind (please compare between them as they differ in TGP, CPU etc.) or for 4070 the HP Omen transcend 16 or the 4070 helios 16. A 16" mini-Led screen with portability and affordability is a priority for me. Your support and advice would be much appreciated 🙏🏻
I think for what you’re looking for you need an RTX 4090 and in 16” with vapor chamber is a must and full max TGP of 175W of the GPU. That combined with DLSS+Frame Gen should be able to get you 60fps+ on Ultra for a while. As for 5 years, no one can predict the future. I think 2-3, maybe 4 years would be a more realistic time for ownership before you have to upgrade again. Esepcially at QHD+ resolution.
@@techknowlux I can't afford a 4090 laptop. 4080 ones already start upward of 3300USD in India. It would be nice if you could compare the Helios 16 and Zephyrus M16 . What I was trying to know is can't lower GPUs give 60+ fps 2k(non native,upscaled) ultra with frame generation enabled?😅
Very good review😊 i have seen other people who had this laptop did not have theese crazy thermal you have with same modell, so i guess you got a bad tim or bad pressuere mounting. I do belive you can undervolt but win 11 locks this down, so you need to disable core isolation in win 11, if its not hard locked from bios😊?
Hey, I am trying to know, what are some good settings on intel extreme utility to keep the cpu cool while gaming and not make it overheat. please and thanks.
@O0T39Oejsnp01 Unless you turn everything down and off, you won't get much change in temperatures. And what do you mean by overheating? If you're saying that while gaming the temps are 99C that's not overheating. That's by design. A lot of confusion about this but they can run at these temps all day. Just imagine when you're rendering a video etc.
Don't know if anyone replied about the webcam and mic Everything was clear but the mike was trying to noise cancel you when you started speaking then became clear while speaking
Thanks so much for taking the time to reply. I did notice the mic was trying very hard to process the sound and at point it looked like a software low pass filter for noise cancellation was trying to run.
I am using an i7-10700k and GTX 1080 PC. I was planning to purchase this laptop with the i9 and 4070 version. This will be my first RTX since it came out. Would this be good? It comes with a free bag and gaming chair though. ASUS laptops is just too expensive in my area +400 dollars more than with the Predator Helios.
I would not recommend the Helios 16. Maybe I got a bad unit but it was running very very hot. If you don't mind/care about that or are going to play with external keyboard/monitor, then it should be fine. I would highly recommend a 17" or an 18" laptop though as a big jump up/desktop replacement. This will run circles around your 1080. Even a 4060 or 4070 will be impressive by comparison.
@@techknowlux In my country Asus and Legion laptops cost $500 more. Is this justified spending in your opinion? Im planning to get a MONITOR + Keyboard with the laptop as my 2nd monitor. As of now the Helios 16 is the most bang for buck in my country.
@@techknowlux I bought the acer predator helios a few days ago and it works really well. When i’m gaming for like 4-5 hours the cpu stays under 85*C and gpu under 60. The keyboard doesn’t even get hot, in fact when i touch the laptop it feels cold. The fans do make noise, but in advanced setting it’s tolerable for me. I’m really happy with the quality and service of acer, in fact a few days after i bought the laptop there was a coupon code for €500 off. I called acer and I also got the money back, while keeping my laptop. Great service!
@Amp_Edition Why not grab it and check it out. Upgrade all the latest BIOS and give it a go. If not, you can always return at best buy if you find very high temps. But from what I've read around on reddit etc, the latest BIOS *have* resolved most of these early issues which were at launch.
@techknowlux nice, yeah I just bought it today and waiting to pick it up. It was on sale for $1850 and I bought the BB membership for 60 day returns and aciedental coverage. So I will have 2 months to figure out if I like it or not.
@PwlwleCortos I never bought it, im waiting until the end of the year, or beginning of 2025 for the new rtx 5000 series gpu's. It doesn't make sense to buy a weaker product right now.
@nathanielrose9156 It has enough ports to hookup to plenty of monitors so why not. The 4080 is more then powerful enough to churn through any graphs and charting software you'll run live. I don't think you'll have any problem.
Hi, lovely review ! Im stuck between buying this one or the Asus Rog Strix 4070. I've heard from people that Acer are not the best or most reliable brand around, and some folks warmed me to be wary of Asus due to recent contoversies are general drop in quality control. So I'm kinda stuck with my choice, what should i do ?
It is a toss-up, but honestly, a small percentage of products have issues. So you are really safe going with either. Look at the styling, the aesthetics, keyboard for typing etc. before making a decision. And go for the cheaper one you can find, assuming that you're comparing laptops with the same GPU.
@MtnNerd nah, some emergency bills came up. Hmm, I might risk with an Acer later this year, whenever I'm ready to buy I just know I don't want a lenovo, I had one years ago and it was a miserable machine
@MtnNerd true, true, I'm more concerned about having a reliable machine, you know? The one I had was an idea pad z710 I think I had a bag gpu that kept failing under heavy loads. Blue screens, freezing, I lt was overheating, shutting down randomly, I kept sending jt for repairs, and they never really fixed it. I'm not tech savvy at all, mind. I've had a desktop since I got rid if that lenovo, and it's been working perfectly for me. I'm at a point where I need more desk space and portability, that's why I'm looking at laptops again
Hello brother which should i pick Helios 16 2023 or Alienware 18 or Alienware 16 with same specs ?? Which is better for gaming? Sad thing is helios comes wid intel processor but alienware comes only with AMD ryzen processors here in US
That doesn't sound right. So I went to Dell's US website and checked. You have both AMD and Intel options available in the Alienware m18, m16 but only Intel for the x16. Considering that Dell is one of Intel's premier partners and they collaborate very closely on new and innovative laptop designs that would not add up. Please check the site again carefully and see that there is a toggle at the top of the configurator page when you select a laptop to spec it out with CPU, RAM, etc to select Intel or AMD models. If you're buying from a retailer and they're only carrying one or the other CPU spec, that I can understand. Hope this helps.
I bought the helios neo 16 4060 i7 13700hx wxga since in my country it was at a good price The predator sense is basically quite disappointing at the level where you like tweaking
@bratt4478 I no longer have this device. I don't think the fans would have gotten any less louder unless you play in the balanced mode and sacrifice some performance. That's a great price for a 4080 equipped laptop. But keep in mind that the Acer will run hot and loud.
@chiefin6470 no i didn't end up going with the Acer, but my honest opinion is don't trust a company or product that has a bad rep imo, unless you really want that 4080. (it will most likely come with problems that you didn't need ESP after spending almost 2k..)
My price range is roughly 2k, would this be my best bet for the price, as i found new for $1750 Im only purchasing a laptop to strictly game maybe watch movies thats it. Thanks!
Hold off and check it out if you have the ability to return it. I might have gotten a bad unit with bad paste job/thermal interface material to take the heat away from the cpu/gpu to the heat pipes and exhaust it via the fans and heat sinks. Your unit might be just fine.
Yes, the Mini-LED model has a G-sync display in the Helios 16. It's also stated explicitly in the Tech Specs. It now looks to be available for purchase in Canada. I do not see this option and only the 240Hz LED displays are available on the Helios 16 in the USA at this time.
Great thorough review. I wanted to know if we compare Acer Predator Helios 16 vs Lenovo Legion Pro 7i, both with 4070, 1TB SSD, RAM 32GB and i9 13900hx processor which one would you recommend? Currently, I'm getting them for almost the same price. Thank you
I really love the looks of this laptop. I was seriously considering strix g16 4080 as it is well cooled and silent gaming experience but i didn't like the looks of it and size. too gamery for me. I want something i can work majority of time and play games casually. I'm just worried about the fan noise of this. Is it way too loud on normal gaming conditions and normal desktop office usage? that would be a big deal breaker. If the fan noise hits only if you are pushing it to the limits and you can get 90% of performance in performance mode without the fan noise, I would be really interested to buy this. Anyway, thanks for the great review.
Glad you enjoyed my review. This was one of the louder laptops thus far. But if you don't mind gaming locked to 60fps with DLSS+Frame Generation it is possible to get it much quieter. That won't help though with the obvious gamery aesthetic. Lol.
I had an Acer nitro 5 and I'm able to connect it to my AirPods (even though sometimes it may cause an audio issue). What's the issue with the wireless headphone connection you mention in the video? Does it mean I can't use my AirPods at all in the device?🤨
You should be able to connect them. But for a best experience probably get diff ones. Apple stuff, especially headphones, perform strangely sometimes due to all special hardware that works best with Apple. Beyond that you may have some intermittent disconnect issues or pairing issues.
@ noise is absolutely atrocious the moment you put load on it. I9s get hot, but it does it job of keeping it at a safe operating temp. My one gripe is i wish theyd strived for the same quality in the software/firmware as the Hardware. Acer could invest a bit more the proprietary software like predator sense, etc. and they’d be a top contender for best laptop. But it is certainly the absolute best Value, what you’re getting per dollar- its hard to complain
Should i go for i7-13700HX RTX4060(140Watt) or Ryzen 7 6800h(limited to 35Watt) RTX3070ti(150watt) ? Please anyone help I’m looking to use laptop for a long time(3-4yrs)
If you care about battery life and on the go more than gaming then go with Ryzen. Otherwise get the latest and greatest Intel Raptor Lake mobile. It’s actually very good with a bit of tuning. Better than the Zen 4 12 and 16 core parts, 7845HX and 7945HX from what I’ve seeen on other channels.
@Heiskixsalem Depends whether you want to use it for audio or video studio work. If you use it in a studio for audio, be sure to do some research on the latency for audio production and capture. Also your workflow will need to work around either the noise if you need extra power for studio work or be sure that you can run in quiet/silent mode and that you'll have enough power.
@@techknowlux when the fan is low, I think it should still perform better than my i78U, so that can make it compatible... I really don't need a gpu but I'd also... Oh Latencyyy
Thanks for your review on new Helios 2023 in its' pros & cons. I'm intended to purchase a Helios series between 4070 and 3070Ti. Do you think it is worthy buying 4070 with a little bit more expensive? Will you review Acer Triton 17X in the future? It is the only gaming laptop that equipped with 4090 for Acer this year.
I absolutely think it's worth to get a 4070 right now unless you don't care about ray tracing or DLSS3+Frame Generation. If the price jump is not too large, it is worth the price of admission. We don't know if NVIDIA will make DLSS3+Frame Generation available for older generation GPUs yet. If I am able to get in a Triton 17X I will definitely do a review of it. I really wish it was a Triton 18X though with an 18" display to challenge the Alienware m18 r1, the ASUS ROG Strix/Scar 18 and the Razer Blade 18. Perhaps next year this will happen.
@OwenGamesOfficial Different regions can have different configurations. Also if you buy fro retail stores they can get "customized" skus made just for them with different specs.
its a deal killer to have 4800mhz rams on such a laptop the legion still compete easily with this one, and no vapor chamber god acer why the 2400 dollars ?
Thanks for your thorough review. People need to really start talking about the horrendous temperatures of this machine. I acquired a maxed out Acer Predator Helios 16 without OS installed and it reached 76 degrees celsius on idle mode while being on the BIOS! INSANITY! P.D.: Please work a bit more on the quality of the video. Some visuals would be nice to add. Channels like Jarrod's Tech and Shortcircuit do a fantastic job on this.
Thank you for the feedback. I’m working on improving video quality and also the content to make it more visually engaging and interesting. In due time. Stay tuned!
I have one here and for unfortunate circumstances I cannot return it. This is an overheating piece of junk. The CPU is thermal throttling even at something like 45W with the balanced profile. Undervolting is locked. Cinebench scores are terrible when other devices with the same CPU are hitting 30-32k+.
That is so unfortunate. Perhaps it might be best to accept a small loss and still turn it around while you can. The more you wait the more it will become devalued. Or, take matters into your own hands and look at repasting the cpu/gpu etc to see if it helps at all!
I have 2 owned Acer laptops. Never again. I have owned 3 ASUS laptops and a PC built around ASUS hardware back in 2007: but never ASUS again! Their quality sucks now!
So what would you buy then? Those are two major players in the PC game whether we like it or not. Compaq, Packard Bell and all the competition of the 1990s is gone.
If you want quiet and near silent gaming with DLSS+Frame Generation in most games go for a 4070. It will last longer. Especially at 2K. But if you’re happy with 1080p or don’t mind tweaking settings a little or playing on High/Medium then you’ll manage just fine with a 4060.
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We need more reviewers like you clearly expressing what manufacturers need to do! --robert jasiek
I really appreciate that! Excellent feedback. Get subbed up and stay tuned as I go more in-depth.
Thanks for making it clear about different display types 🙏🏻
You're welcome.
I like your videos !, I have the helios 16 with the same CPU but a 4070, turbo mod fans are absolutly untolerable, I was wondering if the lenovo legion pro 7i fan at max speed is also noisy like this ?? or is it way better and tolerable ? especially after undervolting (which is locked for acer). I could get the legion similar to my acer for about 400 dollar more, dont know if its worth it.
Thanks in advance
They are equally as noisy with the exception of a few decibels higher or lower. I would say that the overall pitch of the Lenovo fans is a bit more tolerable then the Acer.
thanks, so the vapor chamber doesn't make it much less noisier then :(, I use my acer in performance mod though the noise is ok, just the turbo mod is insane, sounds like a jet engine 😄
I can't afford a 4090 laptop. 4080 ones already start upward of 3300USD in India.
It would be nice if you could compare the Helios 16 and Zephyrus M16 .
What I was trying to know is can't lower GPUs give 60+ fps 2k(non native,upscaled) ultra with frame generation enabled?😅
Yes you very much can achieve this but you will have to either tweak some settings for 2k at 60fps+ even with an RTX 4070 or 4060. I would not recommend a lower class GPU. Or if you can live with 1080p then I’ve demonstrated that you can gey near 60fps lock with most games using DLSS and Frame Generation even on an RTX 4050. I understand your position. But this year there is a much bigger gap between the 4050, 4060, 4070 vs 4080 and 4090 than ever before. And if you combine the power levels are so varied it just adds to the confusion.
I do not have an M16 just yet. If I am able to get one then I will surely review and compare.
@@techknowlux helpful like always, thank you sir
Thanks a lot for this very detailed and helpful review! 🙏
I am considering to get the Helios 18 with mini led, rtx4080, i9, 2TB ssd, 32gb ram (if it ever comes out..) for around 3700€ here in Germany but I‘m not sure if maybe the rog g18 or the Alienware m18 would be a better choice as they cost nearly the same here with the same specs but without mini led..
Main usage is 60% 4k gaming @ external projector with max. 60fps and 40% gaming in 1600p on the internal screen in bright environments. Mostly latest games that are hdr capable with max settings + RT and all dssl/fg.
Any suggestions on which device to pick?
Thanks a lot for any ideas and opinions from anyone :)
Oh in that case why not just grab the m18 r1 if the pricing is very similar. There's no timing on the release of the Predator Helios 18 in Canada or the USA as far as I can find. Also, the Helios 18 doesn't have a vapor chamber. I think that's a missed opportunity to keep the thermals and more importantly, the fan noise in check. The vapor chambers on the m18 r1 and the Strix G18 made it very possible to game without fan noise tearing your ear drums. I thought that was a very nice quality of life feature. And the 18" displays are all around superb. Of course, not HDR, so if that's a big want, might be worth the wait for mini-LED.
@@techknowlux thanks for your reply! The only thing that prevents me from getting the m18 (apart from not being mini led) is the bad brightness of the display which is something around 300nits and not being hdr capable and I do require at least a bit more brightness because I will be in bright environments sometimes.. You are right about the cooling which bothers me with the Helios as well. My hope is that it’s not as bad with the 18“ model as it is with the 16“ you tested. All alternatives seem to have some downsides as well unfortunately like the gt77 and blade 18 being too expensive, the rog g18 having coil whine.. did I miss any other device you might recommend?
Thanks!
hey man, i have this exact model laptop. I was getting awful thermals as well so i repasted it with PTM7950. i should also note that the gpu and cpu had pea sized blank spots on the dye so that is probobly why the thermals are so bad. before the ptm7950 i would get hotspots of 110C now the Hotspot doesnt go above 95C and performs just as well as any other 4080 laptop.
@exdee4798 Nicely done. But when you're paying so much money for such a laptop, you would think that Acer can spend a few dollars extra and tune their quality control so that CPU/GPU are pasted properly with highest quality (costs few $ more) materials from the factory!
Hey, please answer, is the keyboard any good? Is it mechanical or membrane? How is the latency of screen and keyboard and typing feel on it? Thanks!!
It is not a mechanical keyboard. It's a regular membrane keyboard but has decent tactility. The typing feel is decent, you'll adjust in a few days due to the shifted-left keyboard to accommodate the numpad. The screen latency is not an issue at 240Hz.
Is it 165W TGP or 140W as it is written in your video description? Same for the power adapter (different values in video and description)
Thank you for catching this. I've corrected all the descriptions to 165W. That's the correct figure and spec according to Acer's website.
Just got the 18 inch mini led variant yesterday and it's great so far 🤩did some casual gaming in Forza Horizon 5/Hogwarts/Diablo 4 (Server Slam) all in max settings + dlss + fg and all felt quite smooth with around 80fps and temps below 90°C (fans in balanced mode) but did not play for longer than 30mins.. Built quality feels really good as well. Speakers are not bad BUT unfortunately the chassis resonates and rattles when turning volume to more than ~30% (which is quite silent)
anything I could/should test?
Ohhhh that sounds pretty cool. How is the Mini-LED display? Have you cranked brightness, checked at very low levels like 20% or 30% backlight? Turn on HDR mode in Windows and then in some games to see if there is a jump in visual fidelity. It’s the whole reason to get Mini-LED where OLED isn’t an option.
@@techknowlux I love it! All brightness levels looked good to me although in games with HDR mode I was not able to decrease the brightness from the max. level (not sure if that’s normal?). With HDR turned on the display really gets twice as bright as without. I was even able to play Diablo4 (very dark scenery) outside under direct sunlight without any issues on the weekend. Colours and contrast are just amazing. Cyberpunk looked a bit too colourful/oversaturated for my taste but maybe some fine tuning changes that (ingame HDR calibration didn’t change a lot). Though I have to say that I do not have another similar display which I could compare this to. The ones I got are older and look greyish and not as bright compared to the mini led. Unfortunately I do not have my Mac Book Pro anymore but I have the feeling that the Helios display is significantly better although I wish the Helios would have more dimming zones. I could notice a bit blooming when running some test videos but apart from these tests I did not notice it at all.
Hey :) had your Display also G-Sync?
@@djnfinity5601 yes it has
I have the Legion Pro 7i RTX4080. The Mini LED option on rhe Acer seems appealing but rhe Lenovo has a higher TDP at 175w, quieter fans, and a vapour cooling chamber. I did make up for that by buying an open box Samsung Neo G7 32" Mini LED monitor. Your review on the Helios is very accurate and knowledgeable.
Thank you so much. I'm waiting to get the MiniLED model Acer for review. While 175W does sound good, it's not always about wattages only when it comes to performance. A locked 60fps on a Mini-LED with true HDR would be superior depending on the types of games one plays.
Thank you for the review , i wonder if you can undervolt using bios after latest bios update 1.04 ..
Oh good for pointing that out. I will update the BIOS and report back.
I update the BIOS to the latest. In my region it showed as 1.06 having been release on 4-28-2023. After the update there is no change to undervolting availability in the BIOs nor in Predator Sense as there was no software update for the control center software.
@@techknowlux did it fixed the thermal throttling issue? I'm planning to buy this but this is the only thing holding me back
Have you tried updating bios... Then test again and kindly show if there is any improvement and issues are fixed.
I will update the BIOS and report back.
No undervolting available in the BIOS after 1.06 update release 4-28-2023. And no updates for Predator Sense so as mentioned in my review, no ability to undervolt or overclock there.
I SUBBBED.
Idk why your channel never showed up while I searched for months.
I really hope you make videos on MSI Vector 17HX and MSI Raider GE68HX.
All the three 4080laptops are available on same price point here in my place.
Im sooo soo confused as to which one to buy.
I would go with the GE68HX. I did review this one and came away impressed.
@techknowlux for 4080? And what about acer predator 16 4080rtx?
Im considering these 3
Great review, convinced me to subscribe, thanks! Any chance of getting a review of the 18 inch for a comparison?
Thanks for subscribing! I’m waiting for the Mini-LED panel on the 18” before I buy that one for review.
@Higher Order Construct that sounds great. I am heavily considering buying the 18 mini led version. I am looking for a 17-18 mini led, with a 4080, and I think this might be the only one for 2023. Any ETA on the mini led being available?
Sir I want a laptop that can run games at QHD+ ultra settings(RT and all) at 60fps+ on all current and upcoming titles(next 5years) with the aid of all bells and whistles of new GPUs like DLSS and Frame Gen enabled (not just raw performance, I don't wanna worry about hard stats/specs)
I am confused wheather I should spend up to an rtx 4080 or should conserve and go for a 4070 one? the 4070 has been bashed a lot for its minimal ains over last gen and huge gap with 4080 but if it can serve my simple purpose then I won't care if it is flagship performer that replaces a desktop or whatever. I just don't wanna regret the decision either way (performance or price) as these machines have significant prices and I want it to last long with the possiblity that it would easily run any future game at the preffered settings I mentioned before (not less or more than that)
for 4080 config I had the Acer Predator Helios 16 or Rog Zephyrus m16 in mind (please compare between them as they differ in TGP, CPU etc.)
or for 4070 the HP Omen transcend 16 or the 4070 helios 16.
A 16" mini-Led screen with portability and affordability is a priority for me.
Your support and advice would be much appreciated 🙏🏻
I think for what you’re looking for you need an RTX 4090 and in 16” with vapor chamber is a must and full max TGP of 175W of the GPU. That combined with DLSS+Frame Gen should be able to get you 60fps+ on Ultra for a while. As for 5 years, no one can predict the future. I think 2-3, maybe 4 years would be a more realistic time for ownership before you have to upgrade again. Esepcially at QHD+ resolution.
@@techknowlux 😶
@@techknowlux I can't afford a 4090 laptop. 4080 ones already start upward of 3300USD in India.
It would be nice if you could compare the Helios 16 and Zephyrus M16 .
What I was trying to know is can't lower GPUs give 60+ fps 2k(non native,upscaled) ultra with frame generation enabled?😅
@@revenantwolzart hi, is the hp omen 40 series released in india?
you don't need ultra settings lol
Very good review😊 i have seen other people who had this laptop did not have theese crazy thermal you have with same modell, so i guess you got a bad tim or bad pressuere mounting. I do belive you can undervolt but win 11 locks this down, so you need to disable core isolation in win 11, if its not hard locked from bios😊?
That’s what I’m looking into next. If and how I can undervolt this thing. But its very possible I just got a bad unit.
Hey, I am trying to know, what are some good settings on intel extreme utility to keep the cpu cool while gaming and not make it overheat. please and thanks.
@O0T39Oejsnp01 Unless you turn everything down and off, you won't get much change in temperatures. And what do you mean by overheating? If you're saying that while gaming the temps are 99C that's not overheating. That's by design. A lot of confusion about this but they can run at these temps all day. Just imagine when you're rendering a video etc.
@@techknowlux ohhhh i was getting worried, thanks for answering!
Don't know if anyone replied about the webcam and mic
Everything was clear but the mike was trying to noise cancel you when you started speaking then became clear while speaking
Thanks so much for taking the time to reply. I did notice the mic was trying very hard to process the sound and at point it looked like a software low pass filter for noise cancellation was trying to run.
I have helios neo 16 which has i7, rtx4060 and it's thermals have not hit more than 80c yet
2 questions #1 does this have 12 gb of dedicated video ram #2 how many ghz's is the 4080 version thanks!
I am using an i7-10700k and GTX 1080 PC. I was planning to purchase this laptop with the i9 and 4070 version. This will be my first RTX since it came out. Would this be good? It comes with a free bag and gaming chair though. ASUS laptops is just too expensive in my area +400 dollars more than with the Predator Helios.
I would not recommend the Helios 16. Maybe I got a bad unit but it was running very very hot. If you don't mind/care about that or are going to play with external keyboard/monitor, then it should be fine. I would highly recommend a 17" or an 18" laptop though as a big jump up/desktop replacement. This will run circles around your 1080. Even a 4060 or 4070 will be impressive by comparison.
@@techknowlux In my country Asus and Legion laptops cost $500 more. Is this justified spending in your opinion? Im planning to get a MONITOR + Keyboard with the laptop as my 2nd monitor. As of now the Helios 16 is the most bang for buck in my country.
@@techknowlux I bought the acer predator helios a few days ago and it works really well. When i’m gaming for like 4-5 hours the cpu stays under 85*C and gpu under 60. The keyboard doesn’t even get hot, in fact when i touch the laptop it feels cold. The fans do make noise, but in advanced setting it’s tolerable for me. I’m really happy with the quality and service of acer, in fact a few days after i bought the laptop there was a coupon code for €500 off. I called acer and I also got the money back, while keeping my laptop. Great service!
I wonder if bios updates have changed this? It's 1850 at best buy. I was going to buy it but now I'm having second thoughts.
@Amp_Edition Why not grab it and check it out. Upgrade all the latest BIOS and give it a go. If not, you can always return at best buy if you find very high temps. But from what I've read around on reddit etc, the latest BIOS *have* resolved most of these early issues which were at launch.
@techknowlux nice, yeah I just bought it today and waiting to pick it up. It was on sale for $1850 and I bought the BB membership for 60 day returns and aciedental coverage. So I will have 2 months to figure out if I like it or not.
@@Amp_Edition how it was? Do you reccomend it? thx
@PwlwleCortos I never bought it, im waiting until the end of the year, or beginning of 2025 for the new rtx 5000 series gpu's. It doesn't make sense to buy a weaker product right now.
great video brother. would this laptop be a good fit for day trading?
@nathanielrose9156 It has enough ports to hookup to plenty of monitors so why not. The 4080 is more then powerful enough to churn through any graphs and charting software you'll run live. I don't think you'll have any problem.
Hi, lovely review ! Im stuck between buying this one or the Asus Rog Strix 4070. I've heard from people that Acer are not the best or most reliable brand around, and some folks warmed me to be wary of Asus due to recent contoversies are general drop in quality control. So I'm kinda stuck with my choice, what should i do ?
It is a toss-up, but honestly, a small percentage of products have issues. So you are really safe going with either. Look at the styling, the aesthetics, keyboard for typing etc. before making a decision. And go for the cheaper one you can find, assuming that you're comparing laptops with the same GPU.
Don't know if you bought yet but I'm leaning towards this one because of the VRAM
@MtnNerd nah, some emergency bills came up. Hmm, I might risk with an Acer later this year, whenever I'm ready to buy I just know I don't want a lenovo, I had one years ago and it was a miserable machine
@@amex91 It feels like all of the laptop brands have some duds. I'm shopping because my ASUS was RMAed. What did you hate about the Lenovo?
@MtnNerd true, true, I'm more concerned about having a reliable machine, you know? The one I had was an idea pad z710 I think I had a bag gpu that kept failing under heavy loads. Blue screens, freezing, I lt was overheating, shutting down randomly, I kept sending jt for repairs, and they never really fixed it. I'm not tech savvy at all, mind. I've had a desktop since I got rid if that lenovo, and it's been working perfectly for me. I'm at a point where I need more desk space and portability, that's why I'm looking at laptops again
Hello brother which should i pick Helios 16 2023 or Alienware 18 or Alienware 16 with same specs ?? Which is better for gaming? Sad thing is helios comes wid intel processor but alienware comes only with AMD ryzen processors here in US
That doesn't sound right. So I went to Dell's US website and checked. You have both AMD and Intel options available in the Alienware m18, m16 but only Intel for the x16. Considering that Dell is one of Intel's premier partners and they collaborate very closely on new and innovative laptop designs that would not add up. Please check the site again carefully and see that there is a toggle at the top of the configurator page when you select a laptop to spec it out with CPU, RAM, etc to select Intel or AMD models. If you're buying from a retailer and they're only carrying one or the other CPU spec, that I can understand. Hope this helps.
I bought the helios neo 16 4060 i7 13700hx wxga since in my country it was at a good price
The predator sense is basically quite disappointing at the level where you like tweaking
It is very disappointing. For an enthusiast gaming laptop, I'm very disappointed. It's by far the most limited of them all this year!
Hi i saw on many website that the gpu is 175w.. so can you tell me if its mistake ? Thanks ,💪
@DeCkS229 Yes, correct. The RTX 4080 can go up to 175W. 150W+25W.
How is this system doing nowadays if your still using it sir? I’m looking at 1 for about 1.7k with a 4080+i9 13900hx
How’s the fans , still loud during gaming ? Does it get over loud while surfing the web nowadays
@bratt4478 I no longer have this device. I don't think the fans would have gotten any less louder unless you play in the balanced mode and sacrifice some performance. That's a great price for a 4080 equipped laptop. But keep in mind that the Acer will run hot and loud.
did you end up getting the acer predator? i’m looking at a 4080 version with the same processor for 1.8k at best buy. any recommendation?
@chiefin6470 no i didn't end up going with the Acer, but my honest opinion is don't trust a company or product that has a bad rep imo, unless you really want that 4080. (it will most likely come with problems that you didn't need ESP after spending almost 2k..)
My price range is roughly 2k, would this be my best bet for the price, as i found new for $1750 Im only purchasing a laptop to strictly game maybe watch movies thats it. Thanks!
I just paid for this device yesterday......but these thermals are concerning (i wonder should i pull out?)
Hold off and check it out if you have the ability to return it. I might have gotten a bad unit with bad paste job/thermal interface material to take the heat away from the cpu/gpu to the heat pipes and exhaust it via the fans and heat sinks. Your unit might be just fine.
Bro did you got this same model is it overheating please reply bro i am going to buy this same varient
Does the mini led version also have G-Sync ? I can't find this information :(
Yes, the Mini-LED model has a G-sync display in the Helios 16. It's also stated explicitly in the Tech Specs. It now looks to be available for purchase in Canada. I do not see this option and only the 240Hz LED displays are available on the Helios 16 in the USA at this time.
Great thorough review. I wanted to know if we compare Acer Predator Helios 16 vs Lenovo Legion Pro 7i, both with 4070, 1TB SSD, RAM 32GB and i9 13900hx processor which one would you recommend?
Currently, I'm getting them for almost the same price. Thank you
Go for the Lenovo. Better software and better overall build quality. Will last longer (most likely) and probably better resale value too.
too little views and subscriber for such high-quality review , hopefully you get more recognition in the near future
Thank you so much. It is a slow build unfortunately.
Hey will you suggest acer predator i7 13 gen rtx 4060 at place of legion 5i pro i7 12 gen rtx 3060 same price ?
Go with the 4060 for the same price. It has better features and more future-proof than the 3060.
@@techknowlux thank you acer is good company?
I really love the looks of this laptop. I was seriously considering strix g16 4080 as it is well cooled and silent gaming experience but i didn't like the looks of it and size. too gamery for me. I want something i can work majority of time and play games casually. I'm just worried about the fan noise of this. Is it way too loud on normal gaming conditions and normal desktop office usage? that would be a big deal breaker. If the fan noise hits only if you are pushing it to the limits and you can get 90% of performance in performance mode without the fan noise, I would be really interested to buy this. Anyway, thanks for the great review.
Glad you enjoyed my review. This was one of the louder laptops thus far. But if you don't mind gaming locked to 60fps with DLSS+Frame Generation it is possible to get it much quieter. That won't help though with the obvious gamery aesthetic. Lol.
I had an Acer nitro 5 and I'm able to connect it to my AirPods (even though sometimes it may cause an audio issue). What's the issue with the wireless headphone connection you mention in the video? Does it mean I can't use my AirPods at all in the device?🤨
You should be able to connect them. But for a best experience probably get diff ones. Apple stuff, especially headphones, perform strangely sometimes due to all special hardware that works best with Apple. Beyond that you may have some intermittent disconnect issues or pairing issues.
How's video editing on it?
@michellsantana6402 Plenty of power for video editing. I edited part of the video (I always do to test out the GPU) on the laptop itself.
I bought my helios 16 (rtx4080, i9 13) for 1000 US in February 2023. I think this was actually a steal
Wow. That is a steal. And how is it running for you. How are the noise levels and the temps?
@ noise is absolutely atrocious the moment you put load on it. I9s get hot, but it does it job of keeping it at a safe operating temp.
My one gripe is i wish theyd strived for the same quality in the software/firmware as the Hardware. Acer could invest a bit more the proprietary software like predator sense, etc. and they’d be a top contender for best laptop.
But it is certainly the absolute best Value, what you’re getting per dollar- its hard to complain
Should i go for i7-13700HX RTX4060(140Watt) or Ryzen 7 6800h(limited to 35Watt) RTX3070ti(150watt) ?
Please anyone help
I’m looking to use laptop for a long time(3-4yrs)
If you care about battery life and on the go more than gaming then go with Ryzen. Otherwise get the latest and greatest Intel Raptor Lake mobile. It’s actually very good with a bit of tuning. Better than the Zen 4 12 and 16 core parts, 7845HX and 7945HX from what I’ve seeen on other channels.
@@techknowlux Thanks for the suggestion.Will wait till May end and look for more RTX 4060 laptop in India
Can i use it in a studio?
@Heiskixsalem Depends whether you want to use it for audio or video studio work. If you use it in a studio for audio, be sure to do some research on the latency for audio production and capture. Also your workflow will need to work around either the noise if you need extra power for studio work or be sure that you can run in quiet/silent mode and that you'll have enough power.
@@techknowlux when the fan is low, I think it should still perform better than my i78U, so that can make it compatible... I really don't need a gpu but I'd also... Oh Latencyyy
Just give us the timespy results my goodness
Thanks for your review on new Helios 2023 in its' pros & cons. I'm intended to purchase a Helios series between 4070 and 3070Ti. Do you think it is worthy buying 4070 with a little bit more expensive? Will you review Acer Triton 17X in the future? It is the only gaming laptop that equipped with 4090 for Acer this year.
I absolutely think it's worth to get a 4070 right now unless you don't care about ray tracing or DLSS3+Frame Generation. If the price jump is not too large, it is worth the price of admission. We don't know if NVIDIA will make DLSS3+Frame Generation available for older generation GPUs yet.
If I am able to get in a Triton 17X I will definitely do a review of it. I really wish it was a Triton 18X though with an 18" display to challenge the Alienware m18 r1, the ASUS ROG Strix/Scar 18 and the Razer Blade 18. Perhaps next year this will happen.
Acer is bringing out the predator 17x Triton I believe as a pure gaming laptop
Only a few previews
Notebookcheck
Why did mine only come with 16 gigs of ram
@OwenGamesOfficial Different regions can have different configurations. Also if you buy fro retail stores they can get "customized" skus made just for them with different specs.
@@techknowlux I guess I got unlucky
@@techknowlux do you know what type of ram this laptop uses so I can get another 16 gig stick
On the chopping block laptop might get its head cut off
its a deal killer to have 4800mhz rams on such a laptop the legion still compete easily with this one, and no vapor chamber god acer why the 2400 dollars ?
I would agree. They dropped the ball a bit here considering the Predator is their flagship lineup.
Thanks for your thorough review. People need to really start talking about the horrendous temperatures of this machine. I acquired a maxed out Acer Predator Helios 16 without OS installed and it reached 76 degrees celsius on idle mode while being on the BIOS! INSANITY!
P.D.: Please work a bit more on the quality of the video. Some visuals would be nice to add. Channels like Jarrod's Tech and Shortcircuit do a fantastic job on this.
Thank you for the feedback. I’m working on improving video quality and also the content to make it more visually engaging and interesting. In due time. Stay tuned!
Legion seems all around the better option for a 4080
Legion is exceptional value. There is a reason they are bestsellers a few years running.
did he just spit on his camera to clean it better😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
honestly you could have used the laptop's webcam
This is a funny comment? Timestamp?
I have one here and for unfortunate circumstances I cannot return it. This is an overheating piece of junk. The CPU is thermal throttling even at something like 45W with the balanced profile. Undervolting is locked. Cinebench scores are terrible when other devices with the same CPU are hitting 30-32k+.
That is so unfortunate. Perhaps it might be best to accept a small loss and still turn it around while you can. The more you wait the more it will become devalued. Or, take matters into your own hands and look at repasting the cpu/gpu etc to see if it helps at all!
I have 2 owned Acer laptops. Never again. I have owned 3 ASUS laptops and a PC built around ASUS hardware back in 2007: but never ASUS again! Their quality sucks now!
So what would you buy then? Those are two major players in the PC game whether we like it or not. Compaq, Packard Bell and all the competition of the 1990s is gone.
@@techknowlux MSI or Lenovo seem to make good gaming laptops. Gigabyte even?
Should i buy the 13700hx and 4060 variant?
If you want quiet and near silent gaming with DLSS+Frame Generation in most games go for a 4070. It will last longer. Especially at 2K. But if you’re happy with 1080p or don’t mind tweaking settings a little or playing on High/Medium then you’ll manage just fine with a 4060.
I7 13 gen Wala na ?
Me pegion 5i pro and isme confused hun