Thank you for watching, here are some useful links to find out more: ●Andrew builds the Retronet Gamepad: ruclips.net/video/7qi_-UT7Al0/видео.html ●Buy the RetroNet: backofficeshow.com/shop/retronetpcb (n.b I am not affiliated with nor do I receive reward for sales) ●BackOfficeShow Channel: ruclips.net/user/backofficeshow And if you enjoy my content and would like to support The Cave then head on over to www.patreon.com/RetroManCave and join the Official Cave Dwellers. Thank you! Neil - RMC
You should also check out Ant's project over at 68k MLA. 68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/54476-wifi-extension-development-thread/ github.com/antscode/MacWifi He's developed a System 7 extension that can talk to a Vonets, OGear, TP-Link, etc. wireless adapters. You do need an ethernet card already for your computer -- and yes, you could just plug into a switch connected over wifi -- but this actually gives you a working Wifi menu for your System 7 Mac. It's really cool. I linked to the Github as well. If you check out his other Hack threads, he's done some very nice all-in-one solutions for his SE/30 and Color Classic. Looks like they were built for Wifi. :)
I found this one to work very well from all sorts of computers, including old 8-bit ones just as well as moderns ones (as long as you have an RS232 serial interface): www.cbmstuff.com/proddetail.php?prod=WiModem232OLED
You prolly dont care but if you guys are bored like me during the covid times you can stream all of the new series on instaflixxer. I've been watching with my gf recently :)
Same is true for Gotek-Floppyemulators and similar stuff.Every Micro nowadays outperforms even a 386 or 486 of that age easily. It's even more ridiculous when you think about performance per watt.
6 лет назад
Yeah, but if you think about this way: modern GPU has more computing power for a certain task to the rest of the system you add it too (ie GPU rendering versus software rendering done by the CPU). Well, at least this is what I can calm myself down, that "it's OK to do" :) :) Quite questionable example, but anyway ...
Bloody hell i gota get me one of these macintoshes ... that mac noise gave me a masive nostalgia ... use to play sim city 2000 back in school every lunch.
I cannot believe my luck at finding this. I'm so excited to get my trs-80 model 4p up and running again with this. I ran a bbs for a short time in the mid 80's on that trs-80 and cannot wait to try it again, but first i need to re-live my dial-up bbs days! Thanks so much for posting this.
My RetroNet is on order in the January batch, so it should be here soon. I have a 1987 Mactintosh Plus set up and ready to go running system 6. I have Z terminal running on it and have been able to do file tranfers from it to a modern laptop using minicom. So it looks like I'm most of the way already. The Mac features a SCSI2SD card which gives me 2GB of hard drive space. It's been a lot of fun tinkering with it, I just hope the machine keeps going. I will keep an eye out for you RMC when the Mac goes online.
I love retro and ghetto technology and the randomness in which people pack their projects and (possibly) think 'That old TV remote might work but there are no flat edges... I know what I'll use!' and then it's packed into a gamepad. It's even more enjoyable having lived thru the era of 8-bit computers and the way people are re-purposing them or just trying various projects for the sake of it and it's akin to overclocking - doing something because there's the capacity or theory that you can do and the kudos afterwards is well appreciated by yourself and the community!
Used to use my c64 to download demos. They took forever, but I was always amazed by the amount of effort that went into them. The Retronet device looks really interesting, and I might invest in one after Christmas if I have any money left.
Loved this - thanks for sharing!! My first experience with BBSes was with a CoCo and a 300 baud modem. Yes, 300 baud. Back then the feeling of amazement and mystery was wonderful. Excellent video RMC - thanks :-)
A few years back, we're talking just before the raspberry pi was released, I used a spare laptop running tcpser over a usb to RS-232 to connect my windows 3.11 machine to the net. first thing i tried were BBSes, then i found an old browser and tried to load google. I also used it as an irc client.
brings back memories of Amiga BBS's back in about 91 downloading backups of games ( ;) ).. eventually upgrading to a PC and further BBS use in 94 :) great days
baz za I ran one of those in Seattle area. R.A.B.B.S. ][gs based on ACOS with highly custom-modified source and one of first home grown proterm “graphic” interfaces based on extended ascii set. We also had one of first USRobotics 9600 baud modems obtained for the low price of 505 bucks in the sysop promo program. Another life....
Great video. It's nice to see some alternative approaches to connecting with the outside world. Have you done a recap on the LC III logic board yet? The startup bong sounded a little crackly to my ear, as if some of the electrolytic caps are failing. Perhaps it's a recording artifact, but if you have original caps, it may be time to replace as they are notorious for damaging pads, traces, and vias on many Macs of the era.
@@RMCRetro Pretty much all of the 68k Mac models that use these surface mount electrolytic "trash can" capacitors are failing to some degree now. Particularly irksome, these capacitors seem to leak out the bottom and the leakage stays hidden under the black plastic base for some time. The SE/30 and 840AV may be the most problematic as the boards seem to get extensively damaged by leaking capacitors. With the 840AV, it's imperative to recap while the machine is still functioning, as the boards are hard to revive once traces are damaged. I think this is due to the complexity of that board, its vertical orientation, and perhaps that the PCB has more layers. This page from the 68k Mac Liberation Army Wiki may be of use when it comes time to recap: wiki.68kmla.org/Capacitor_Replacement I've recapped with both tantalum capacitors and with comparable to original electrolytics in my Macs and have had luck with both.
This is bringing back a lot of memories of using my Amstrad PC1512 and Hayes 1200 modem to connect to fidonet. I recently got a PPC640, so will have to give this a try. I guess I don't need to worry about my parents seeing the phone bill anymore!
Fond memories of the PPC640. I used to use one to dial on to the mainframe at work to check the progress of batch work. On a couple of occasions I even ran a night's batch work from it sitting in the kitchen for best part of 12 hours.
@@backofficeshow They were the apogee of Amstrad industrial design. Yes, go, go to Starbucks....... We did eventually move on to a series of Toshiba laptops. I left the company, and indeed field of IT, just before they started to use a browser based technology to access by then what would have been a collection of Unix servers running various flavours. At my redundancy interview I was told the future was Windows and that Unix would be gone within a decade........that was 15 years ago.
@@clangerbasher ha ha. I remember when they said similar about mainframes, really if anything we have gone full circle and we are back to the same thing in a different guise. Lucky for me I skipped all the bullshit Java dead end and jumped back into cloud development with exactly the same skill set 😂
@@backofficeshow I lived through the 'lets replace the mainframe with lots of individual servers' period. That server A doing the accounts would have to wait for server B where retails sales information was held, and so on meant my bosses' dream of a robust distributed system never came to be. It was a nightmare to administer and probably cost more; one of the ways they got around that was to buy low spec equipment which only amplified the problems. They didn't get quite grasp that the hardware and software may be distributed, but the information that ran the business was itself a highly complex single whole. They were accountants and not IT people. I don't miss IT. I don't miss the bleeper and phone and call outs.
I've been kicking around on BBS sites as well, with my C64, ST, and BBC. I'll soon be getting on them with my Amiga. No worries about phone bills any more. Lol
There's 21 at the time of writing this comment. They've went and told their friends at the absolute travesty of witnessing the death of a European SNES controller and had a virtual blessing service for it!
Man, this is making me miss my LCIII... As well as the Quadra 950 I had, I actually had a Powermac upgrade card in that one. Was a real pain losing that to a house fire.
I enjoyed seeing the LC III in action - I've got one hiding in the loft somewhere, and the monitor's in the shed. I used to have a Performa 475 with an Ethernet card in it, but I sold it and then immediately regretted it.
Urgh! The one main advance i have appreciated over the last few decades,is the higher and faster Internet connections!This was a fun bit of an experiment-but most wouldnt wish to return to those days! But,as i say-Its fun to see it done on really old kit.
I would like to point out that ever since the advent of USB and FireWire people have been assuming any data connection/connector is hot pluggable (a good way to potentially destroy vintage hardware). Before USB, connections were not necessarily hot pluggable, often requiring a reboot to see the device on a serial, parallel, or SCSI port or a complete shut down just to plug in devices since they would often have hardware that needed to communicate with the BIOS first. Also there's the risk of frying the bus as you plug and unplug stuff or causing data corruption if the bus was busy.
‘Fraid I’ve got you beat on that one though... I’ve gotten my 128k original Mac on my WiFi via an ESP8266 card I specifically built to support it’s RS422 serial port. 😎
I bought a similar USB joystick to convert for my C64/Amiga. You should encourage your friends at Monster Joysticks to sell Atari style 9 pin joysticks!
I had an LCIII when it was new and I don't remember it having the Quadra style floppy slot in the case with the recesses to allow easier disk removal. Is this perhaps an LCIII+ (33MHz) or an EU localisation thing?
@RetroManCave What software did you use to setup your local BBS? I have some fee space on a VPS and have been thinking about setting one up for myself and a few friends to use. I may go with MysticBBS but it's sort of a pain to setup and get configured correctly. Thanks for the video! I love this type of content!
@@RMCRetro Awesome! It's 1:30 AM here so I'll probably wait a bit before giving it a go today. LOL!! I'll definitely send you the connection info once I'm up and running. I had originally been running MysticBBS on a Raspberry pi for a couple of years but, good lord, that was a nightmare. My friends and I were using it to share info om some of the various retro games we were playing and other such nonsense. I do have so say though, it was really quit fun!
this is cool tech for old hardware, but the wires sought come detachable with some kind of usb or other similar connector on the wifi card side. then you could have multible wires with different connectors. so instead of having to solder in different cable, every time you want to use this on a device with different connector, you just switch on a different cable in a fef seconds.
If your neighbor watches this, and if he (or she) is tech savoy, they can now clone your AP's hardware address, fool your devices, and play man-in-the-middle to sniff data for useful info. ;-) Maybe a blur filter around 5 minutes in would have been prudent.
I used my isp routers wifi for the demo, I'm back on a dedicated WAP now with that turned off. It's also a managed and manned office unit with many businesses rather than my home. It's all good but yes you can never be too cautious.
I’d rather use this device to just connect to the Linux server on my LAN. But what’s a good VT100 terminal for MacOS System 6 or System 7? Preferably including Zmodem support.
I may be wrong but this looks like a run of the mill ESP8266 module. I'm not sure what he's done special to it if anything. These are used extensively to connect anything serial to WIFI
Yes, data transfer is constrained by the device as you are connecting the WiFi modem to the system’s serial port. 1980s era Macintosh computers can obtain around 9600 kbit/sec whereas something like an Amiga 500 can handle up to 33.6 kbit/sec.
hhmmm, might buy one for my home brew Z80 running CP/M
6 лет назад
I did exactly that, but I bought a single ESP8226 module board for $2-$3 or such, and that's all :) Surely, not so fancy housing, no battery, no charging and so on.
this is amazing, a mac computer can actually do things!! :D hehehe, now seriously, it's cool to see old hardware still working and doing stuff it's not supposed to do like connecting through wi fi.
I do thank you, The Cave is not my home and is in a secure managed office location which is always manned so I'm not too worried. I also have a lot of visitors via the channel so it is not a well kept secret. Thanks for your concern though.
I'd take my SX-64 to the coffee shop, but a) I'd probably throw my back out lifting it into the car, and b) get the cops called on me because the young whippersnappers behind the counter won't know what the heck it is. 🙁
Other People: Dude you shoudln't connect with WindowsXP or Vista to the internet, it's outdatet and can put your entire network at risk... This dues: Haha, LoL 80s Computer goes "UPD,UDP"
I just built a similar device based on the great ZiModem-Firmware (originally for usage with a C64, but also usable for normal PCs, just deactivate translation). ESP-03 (the smallest one), a RS232/TTL levelshifter, a 3.3v linear regulator.All integrated nicely in a DB9-connector-housing (standard COM-Port) and a DIN5-Keyboard-Connector for Power.Works great on my old 286 and 386 machines. But you need to use RTS/CTS, otherwise you get corruption on higher transfer speeds. ZiModem is here:github.com/bozimmerman/Zimodem And as John Pattillo said: Yes, inside my db9-connectorhousing is now a multiple computing power than inside the PC that's using it. ;-)
Esp 8266 board sold by retronet is about 50 EUR, that's 25 times more expensive than aliexpress or other online shops. Milking retro computer enthusiasts for money is a good bussiness.
The price of the board at the time of review is £18. It looks like a v2 has now been released at the price you mention it would be interesting to see what has been added to it
Yes indeed I mention the alternatives for the Mac in the intro but it was fun to try... and I think in future I'll pair the retronet with an 8bit for some BBS fun
Considering the absurd prices for old gateways (Asante, Farallon or simular) on eBay, it might be an interesting project to create a new LocalTalk-Ethernet gateway. Still have some around, but if you have none, well..
Zee? Zed? Zee? Zed? Color? Colour? Chips? French fries? Boot? Trunk? Trunk? Boot? ... Isn't English a wonderful language? For instance, yesterday was Wodensday, or The day of Woden, AKA, Oden, the all father. The one eyed god, the god of war... But hey, today is Thuresday, or Thursday for us modern folks... Thor's Day... Yerp, that Thor... Such a strange language, tied into such a strange old history...
I think it's stretching it a bit saying that you're using your Mac to connect to a BBS via WIFI. It's more lika you're using your Mac as a terminal emulator.
You can do better than that! I setup a PPP server on a Raspberry Pi, connected to the Mac via a serial cable, and used that to get IP networking on my SE/30. Works with MacTCP or OpenTransport. I then put the Raspberry Pi inside an old US Robotics modem case :D imgur.com/gallery/dUsO3 I'm currently in the process of building a new 100Mbit Ethernet card for the SE/30. Alas I haven't had much progress recently, real life getting in the way... See more here: www.mactothefuture.org/update/2018/06/17/first-prototype.html
Indeed I mention SLIP and PPP at the end of the video. Honestly I don't think I'd use it much (like that's an excuse) but I might give it a go. For BBS use on a C64 for example I am loving this though. Your USR case build looks really lovely.
"BBS board" isn't a thing. BBSes are typically called "boards", but not "bbs boards". Now excuse me while I go chase the kids off my lawn and finally get around to strangling my neighbor for improperly pronouncing "GIF" one too many times.
Please stop saying "BBS board". BBS is initialism which stands for Bulletin Board System. The trailing 'board' is redundant. You are connecting to a BBS. Thank you.
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Thank you for watching, here are some useful links to find out more:
●Andrew builds the Retronet Gamepad: ruclips.net/video/7qi_-UT7Al0/видео.html
●Buy the RetroNet: backofficeshow.com/shop/retronetpcb (n.b I am not affiliated with nor do I receive reward for sales)
●BackOfficeShow Channel: ruclips.net/user/backofficeshow
And if you enjoy my content and would like to support The Cave then head on over to www.patreon.com/RetroManCave and join the Official Cave Dwellers. Thank you! Neil - RMC
You should also check out Ant's project over at 68k MLA.
68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/54476-wifi-extension-development-thread/
github.com/antscode/MacWifi
He's developed a System 7 extension that can talk to a Vonets, OGear, TP-Link, etc. wireless adapters. You do need an ethernet card already for your computer -- and yes, you could just plug into a switch connected over wifi -- but this actually gives you a working Wifi menu for your System 7 Mac. It's really cool. I linked to the Github as well.
If you check out his other Hack threads, he's done some very nice all-in-one solutions for his SE/30 and Color Classic. Looks like they were built for Wifi. :)
I found this one to work very well from all sorts of computers, including old 8-bit ones just as well as moderns ones (as long as you have an RS232 serial interface): www.cbmstuff.com/proddetail.php?prod=WiModem232OLED
You prolly dont care but if you guys are bored like me during the covid times you can stream all of the new series on instaflixxer. I've been watching with my gf recently :)
@Dante Ameer Yea, I've been using instaflixxer for since november myself :D
@Dante Ameer yea, I've been using InstaFlixxer for since november myself =)
I bet the wifi module has more computing power than the LC.
Same is true for Gotek-Floppyemulators and similar stuff.Every Micro nowadays outperforms even a 386 or 486 of that age easily.
It's even more ridiculous when you think about performance per watt.
Yeah, but if you think about this way: modern GPU has more computing power for a certain task to the rest of the system you add it too (ie GPU rendering versus software rendering done by the CPU). Well, at least this is what I can calm myself down, that "it's OK to do" :) :) Quite questionable example, but anyway ...
The Apple lends itself nicely to occasional use and as an ornament, it looks great!
Bloody hell i gota get me one of these macintoshes ... that mac noise gave me a masive nostalgia ... use to play sim city 2000 back in school every lunch.
I cannot believe my luck at finding this. I'm so excited to get my trs-80 model 4p up and running again with this.
I ran a bbs for a short time in the mid 80's on that trs-80 and cannot wait to try it again, but first i need to re-live my dial-up bbs days!
Thanks so much for posting this.
My RetroNet is on order in the January batch, so it should be here soon. I have a 1987 Mactintosh Plus set up and ready to go running system 6. I have Z terminal running on it and have been able to do file tranfers from it to a modern laptop using minicom. So it looks like I'm most of the way already. The Mac features a SCSI2SD card which gives me 2GB of hard drive space. It's been a lot of fun tinkering with it, I just hope the machine keeps going. I will keep an eye out for you RMC when the Mac goes online.
Great to hear! Do keep me updated on how that goes
I love retro and ghetto technology and the randomness in which people pack their projects and (possibly) think 'That old TV remote might work but there are no flat edges... I know what I'll use!' and then it's packed into a gamepad.
It's even more enjoyable having lived thru the era of 8-bit computers and the way people are re-purposing them or just trying various projects for the sake of it and it's akin to overclocking - doing something because there's the capacity or theory that you can do and the kudos afterwards is well appreciated by yourself and the community!
The first time I've seen the internet was on a Macintosh SE and a Macintosh LC II with Telnet, IRC and Mosaic, around 1992-1994.
Used to use my c64 to download demos. They took forever, but I was always amazed by the amount of effort that went into them.
The Retronet device looks really interesting, and I might invest in one after Christmas if I have any money left.
Check out the PI1541. If you have a tiny amount of electronics experience and a Raspberry PI 3 this is simple to build. Mine is still on a breadboard.
I'm building the first batch now if the new design and putting them through the paces. I'm using an Amstrad PPC512 and an Atari ST as test subjects 🙂
God, you remind me so much of my old IT lecture from university. 😂 Love the videos!
Love see classic tech getting modernized Neil. Something like this puts a smile on my face for sure. 8^)
Anthony.
Loved this - thanks for sharing!! My first experience with BBSes was with a CoCo and a 300 baud modem. Yes, 300 baud.
Back then the feeling of amazement and mystery was wonderful.
Excellent video RMC - thanks :-)
I too had a CoCo w/300 baud modem loved every minute of it!!!
i went to a BBS for the first today because of this video
A few years back, we're talking just before the raspberry pi was released, I used a spare laptop running tcpser over a usb to RS-232 to connect my windows 3.11 machine to the net. first thing i tried were BBSes, then i found an old browser and tried to load google. I also used it as an irc client.
brings back memories of Amiga BBS's back in about 91 downloading backups of games ( ;) ).. eventually upgrading to a PC and further BBS use in 94 :) great days
baz za I ran one of those in Seattle area. R.A.B.B.S. ][gs based on ACOS with highly custom-modified source and one of first home grown proterm “graphic” interfaces based on extended ascii set. We also had one of first USRobotics 9600 baud modems obtained for the low price of 505 bucks in the sysop promo program. Another life....
it really does feel like a lifetime away Peter, so much has changed.
Now that’s really awesome.
Great video. It's nice to see some alternative approaches to connecting with the outside world. Have you done a recap on the LC III logic board yet? The startup bong sounded a little crackly to my ear, as if some of the electrolytic caps are failing. Perhaps it's a recording artifact, but if you have original caps, it may be time to replace as they are notorious for damaging pads, traces, and vias on many Macs of the era.
Thanks. Yes it's high in my queue for recapping this one before we have any leaks. I believe these models have a poor reputation for it
@@RMCRetro Pretty much all of the 68k Mac models that use these surface mount electrolytic "trash can" capacitors are failing to some degree now. Particularly irksome, these capacitors seem to leak out the bottom and the leakage stays hidden under the black plastic base for some time. The SE/30 and 840AV may be the most problematic as the boards seem to get extensively damaged by leaking capacitors. With the 840AV, it's imperative to recap while the machine is still functioning, as the boards are hard to revive once traces are damaged. I think this is due to the complexity of that board, its vertical orientation, and perhaps that the PCB has more layers. This page from the 68k Mac Liberation Army Wiki may be of use when it comes time to recap: wiki.68kmla.org/Capacitor_Replacement
I've recapped with both tantalum capacitors and with comparable to original electrolytics in my Macs and have had luck with both.
I heart old mac stuff!
The LC was the first computer I ever owned when I was a kid. not the best machine but it started something haha, my career in IT!
This is bringing back a lot of memories of using my Amstrad PC1512 and Hayes 1200 modem to connect to fidonet. I recently got a PPC640, so will have to give this a try. I guess I don't need to worry about my parents seeing the phone bill anymore!
Fond memories of the PPC640. I used to use one to dial on to the mainframe at work to check the progress of batch work. On a couple of occasions I even ran a night's batch work from it sitting in the kitchen for best part of 12 hours.
@@clangerbasher I have just been using this on my PPC512 today! (The 640 floppy has died 😣). I'm going to rock into a Starbucks sometime
@@backofficeshow They were the apogee of Amstrad industrial design. Yes, go, go to Starbucks.......
We did eventually move on to a series of Toshiba laptops. I left the company, and indeed field of IT, just before they started to use a browser based technology to access by then what would have been a collection of Unix servers running various flavours. At my redundancy interview I was told the future was Windows and that Unix would be gone within a decade........that was 15 years ago.
@@clangerbasher ha ha. I remember when they said similar about mainframes, really if anything we have gone full circle and we are back to the same thing in a different guise.
Lucky for me I skipped all the bullshit Java dead end and jumped back into cloud development with exactly the same skill set 😂
@@backofficeshow I lived through the 'lets replace the mainframe with lots of individual servers' period. That server A doing the accounts would have to wait for server B where retails sales information was held, and so on meant my bosses' dream of a robust distributed system never came to be. It was a nightmare to administer and probably cost more; one of the ways they got around that was to buy low spec equipment which only amplified the problems. They didn't get quite grasp that the hardware and software may be distributed, but the information that ran the business was itself a highly complex single whole. They were accountants and not IT people. I don't miss IT. I don't miss the bleeper and phone and call outs.
I've been kicking around on BBS sites as well, with my C64, ST, and BBC. I'll soon be getting on them with my Amiga.
No worries about phone bills any more. Lol
The 1 dislike on this video, is from the owner of that nintendo controller.
Ha ha, that's ten Nintendo owners now 😂
There's 21 at the time of writing this comment.
They've went and told their friends at the absolute travesty of witnessing the death of a European SNES controller and had a virtual blessing service for it!
@@reggiep75 Neil is going to lose the support of the gaming console community
Brilliant video! Thank you!
Always remember to enable extensions ;)
I don't know what you're talking about 😉😉
@@RMCRetro that was painful *shudder*
I can't believe how fast it actually runs. I'm wondering if this WiFi PCB would be compatible with the RC2014. Great Vlog Neil 😁 😁😁 Kim 😁😁😁
Very cool. The LC II needs more love!
Incredible! :) I have ran Netscape on the 68k Mac but never did it over Wifi. :)
Man, this is making me miss my LCIII... As well as the Quadra 950 I had, I actually had a Powermac upgrade card in that one. Was a real pain losing that to a house fire.
I enjoyed seeing the LC III in action - I've got one hiding in the loft somewhere, and the monitor's in the shed. I used to have a Performa 475 with an Ethernet card in it, but I sold it and then immediately regretted it.
AT commands are alive and well in 3GPP GSM+ specs. We use it at work on our Aircraft Satellite Modems
Another fun use for ESP8266 controller. You can connect pretty much anything to the internet with that.
Loved this video! Also, I may be an "odd" American, but I prefer the pronunciation "zed" over "zee".
Urgh! The one main advance i have appreciated over the last few decades,is the higher and faster Internet connections!This was a fun bit of an experiment-but most wouldnt wish to return to those days! But,as i say-Its fun to see it done on really old kit.
I would like to point out that ever since the advent of USB and FireWire people have been assuming any data connection/connector is hot pluggable (a good way to potentially destroy vintage hardware). Before USB, connections were not necessarily hot pluggable, often requiring a reboot to see the device on a serial, parallel, or SCSI port or a complete shut down just to plug in devices since they would often have hardware that needed to communicate with the BIOS first.
Also there's the risk of frying the bus as you plug and unplug stuff or causing data corruption if the bus was busy.
Ahh, that font brings the nostalgia from learning to code in high school.
‘Fraid I’ve got you beat on that one though... I’ve gotten my 128k original Mac on my WiFi via an ESP8266 card I specifically built to support it’s RS422 serial port. 😎
I remember using my 1996 McIntosh Performa 475 to connect to a local PBS when I was A teen.
I wonder how fast the WiFi would work with a browser on the LCIII? Can you even get an internet browser to operate on that machine?
Well this makes a whole lot more sense than a c64 online... so you´re somewhat sane.
Zterm, that brings back memories.
Oh snap Level 29! I've been on there. Been a good while -- I need to go back ;) Perhaps if / when I get a network device for my C64 or C128 :)
4:16 Oh wow, it's that UK localised Mac OS Apple did somewhat briefly back in the day…
id like to hear about computers that rendered startrek or babylon 5 or the good scifi of the 90's
Three cheers for the LCIII!
Awesome idea. Might have to get myself an Atari ST again to try this out!
You never need an excuse for an ST, or even for another ST 😁
I bought a similar USB joystick to convert for my C64/Amiga.
You should encourage your friends at Monster Joysticks to sell Atari style 9 pin joysticks!
I had an LCIII when it was new and I don't remember it having the Quadra style floppy slot in the case with the recesses to allow easier disk removal. Is this perhaps an LCIII+ (33MHz) or an EU localisation thing?
Poor thing is missing a rubber feet on the monitor. :-)
@RetroManCave What software did you use to setup your local BBS? I have some fee space on a VPS and have been thinking about setting one up for myself and a few friends to use. I may go with MysticBBS but it's sort of a pain to setup and get configured correctly. Thanks for the video! I love this type of content!
Hey no worries and thanks for watching. I used Synchronet. Very easy to setup.
@@RMCRetro Awesome! It's 1:30 AM here so I'll probably wait a bit before giving it a go today. LOL!! I'll definitely send you the connection info once I'm up and running. I had originally been running MysticBBS on a Raspberry pi for a couple of years but, good lord, that was a nightmare. My friends and I were using it to share info om some of the various retro games we were playing and other such nonsense. I do have so say though, it was really quit fun!
Could one set up a bbs via a cellphone line?
this is cool tech for old hardware, but the wires sought come detachable with some kind of usb or other similar connector on the wifi card side.
then you could have multible wires with different connectors. so instead of having to solder in different cable, every time you want to use this on a device with different connector, you just switch on a different cable in a fef seconds.
Good video.
I would love to figure out how to use this with my Emate so I could transfer files from my PCEmate. As there is no modern options I have found.
If your neighbor watches this, and if he (or she) is tech savoy, they can now clone your AP's hardware address, fool your devices, and play man-in-the-middle to sniff data for useful info. ;-)
Maybe a blur filter around 5 minutes in would have been prudent.
I used my isp routers wifi for the demo, I'm back on a dedicated WAP now with that turned off. It's also a managed and manned office unit with many businesses rather than my home. It's all good but yes you can never be too cautious.
I’d rather use this device to just connect to the Linux server on my LAN. But what’s a good VT100 terminal for MacOS System 6 or System 7? Preferably including Zmodem support.
Would be pretty nice to connect to Multi User Dungeons as well
Lots of weird audio popping, make sure your mic is securely plugged in :D
I may be wrong but this looks like a run of the mill ESP8266 module. I'm not sure what he's done special to it if anything. These are used extensively to connect anything serial to WIFI
Part of me wants to use one of these on an SGI Indy. Another part of me figures that it'd be easier to just use Ethernet, but where's the fun in that?
I assume the speed is somewhat constrained by the computer’s hardware-what kind of data rate can you get out of one of these?
Yes, data transfer is constrained by the device as you are connecting the WiFi modem to the system’s serial port. 1980s era Macintosh computers can obtain around 9600 kbit/sec whereas something like an Amiga 500 can handle up to 33.6 kbit/sec.
Could do with a naked hoff poster in that man cave
In case anyone is wondering his password is 1,2,3,4,5. I know because I've got the same password on my matched luggage.
It would be nice see an Amiga CD32 version, connected via the Keyboard/serial port.
The last time they actually innovated :D
Pure madness! Worse than Gary with pants on :)
would something like this (with the right serial connector) work with old windows 3.1 or 95?
Yes indeed
@@RMCRetro thanks, ill look more into getting my hands on one of these.
I might buy one and use it with an Apple IIe I have.
hhmmm, might buy one for my home brew Z80 running CP/M
I did exactly that, but I bought a single ESP8226 module board for $2-$3 or such, and that's all :) Surely, not so fancy housing, no battery, no charging and so on.
Hi, cant you do this video on a PC :-)
No ATO or +++ support?
How about use old Netscape browser and attempt to view some retro website
this is amazing, a mac computer can actually do things!! :D
hehehe, now seriously, it's cool to see old hardware still working and doing stuff it's not supposed to do like connecting through wi fi.
you know, these 3 mac adresses of your and your neighbors wifi can be used to track your exact location mate
I do thank you, The Cave is not my home and is in a secure managed office location which is always manned so I'm not too worried. I also have a lot of visitors via the channel so it is not a well kept secret. Thanks for your concern though.
@@RMCRetro just something to keep in mind.
i don't know how to do it, but if apple and google can do it via their APIs... shouldn't be too hard
I'd take my SX-64 to the coffee shop, but a) I'd probably throw my back out lifting it into the car, and b) get the cops called on me because the young whippersnappers behind the counter won't know what the heck it is. 🙁
Aww, this brings back memories of the apple Mac, and just how horrible it was. Long live the Falcon :-)
When I see Neil I always feel bad for not doing my geography homework. 😕 Sorry Sir, the dog ate it.
Will this work the the performa series?
Yes indeed
@@RMCRetro awesome. I need to give this a go sometime!
Neat!
SUPERSECRETPASSWORD is my password too!
I prefer 12345 like in spaceballs. that's easier to memorize.
That's amazing! I've got the same combination on my luggage!
I prefer the more secure SUPERSECRETPASSWORD1.
Whole lot cheaper than dial up!
But can it run Thermonuclear War???
The MCU used in the board is much more powerful than the Mac, so it might be more sensible to emulate the Mac on the MCU itself.
Other People: Dude you shoudln't connect with WindowsXP or Vista to the internet, it's outdatet and can put your entire network at risk...
This dues: Haha, LoL 80s Computer goes "UPD,UDP"
I just built a similar device based on the great ZiModem-Firmware (originally for usage with a C64, but also usable for normal PCs, just deactivate translation).
ESP-03 (the smallest one), a RS232/TTL levelshifter, a 3.3v linear regulator.All integrated nicely in a DB9-connector-housing (standard COM-Port) and a DIN5-Keyboard-Connector for Power.Works great on my old 286 and 386 machines.
But you need to use RTS/CTS, otherwise you get corruption on higher transfer speeds.
ZiModem is here:github.com/bozimmerman/Zimodem
And as John Pattillo said: Yes, inside my db9-connectorhousing is now a multiple computing power than inside the PC that's using it. ;-)
Hilarious. Maybe you can get iTunes to be useful again too?
Esp 8266 board sold by retronet is about 50 EUR, that's 25 times more expensive than aliexpress or other online shops. Milking retro computer enthusiasts for money is a good bussiness.
The price of the board at the time of review is £18. It looks like a v2 has now been released at the price you mention it would be interesting to see what has been added to it
Well, tbh, it's an interesting approach, but, well, a good ole LocalTalk-Ethernet-Gateway might be a little bit more.. convenient.. ^^
Yes indeed I mention the alternatives for the Mac in the intro but it was fun to try... and I think in future I'll pair the retronet with an 8bit for some BBS fun
Considering the absurd prices for old gateways (Asante, Farallon or simular) on eBay, it might be an interesting project to create a new LocalTalk-Ethernet gateway. Still have some around, but if you have none, well..
That's my password, " Super Secret Password " ;)
Zee? Zed? Zee? Zed? Color? Colour? Chips? French fries? Boot? Trunk? Trunk? Boot?
... Isn't English a wonderful language? For instance, yesterday was Wodensday, or The day of Woden, AKA, Oden, the all father. The one eyed god, the god of war... But hey, today is Thuresday, or Thursday for us modern folks... Thor's Day... Yerp, that Thor... Such a strange language, tied into such a strange old history...
Why do you do this to yourself?
Why DON'T you do this to yourself? That's the real question here XD
Duh. The answer, as always, is obvious: 'because we can'. XD
wifi on a amiga 1200 using the pcm cia card port with a wifi card 16 bit run the stack isign ip conect to router transfer files or run awebb
Faaaaaaaaaantastic!
I use my BBS too for file transfer :-/
I think it's stretching it a bit saying that you're using your Mac to connect to a BBS via WIFI. It's more lika you're using your Mac as a terminal emulator.
Next time, how to use your Oric Atmos to watch video on RUclips in 4K.
Password: RMC123456?
Hacker man strikes again
HUNTER2
That's the kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage!
@@kingedwin I love Spaceballs
You can do better than that! I setup a PPP server on a Raspberry Pi, connected to the Mac via a serial cable, and used that to get IP networking on my SE/30. Works with MacTCP or OpenTransport. I then put the Raspberry Pi inside an old US Robotics modem case :D
imgur.com/gallery/dUsO3
I'm currently in the process of building a new 100Mbit Ethernet card for the SE/30. Alas I haven't had much progress recently, real life getting in the way... See more here:
www.mactothefuture.org/update/2018/06/17/first-prototype.html
Indeed I mention SLIP and PPP at the end of the video. Honestly I don't think I'd use it much (like that's an excuse) but I might give it a go. For BBS use on a C64 for example I am loving this though. Your USR case build looks really lovely.
"BBS board" isn't a thing. BBSes are typically called "boards", but not "bbs boards". Now excuse me while I go chase the kids off my lawn and finally get around to strangling my neighbor for improperly pronouncing "GIF" one too many times.
ghif or jif? Only one way is confirmed correct by Mr. Gif
@@cooliofoolio Jif, of course.
@@f15sim
:D
Please stop saying "BBS board". BBS is initialism which stands for Bulletin Board System. The trailing 'board' is redundant. You are connecting to a BBS. Thank you.
Get a fucking life.