More than a year ago I had made this video, which became the most viewed on the channel. Both for the more controversial ending and for the title intentionally chosen for it. However, I confess that with the original video, I was not able to convey all the poetic and emotional grandeur that this game and this ending possessed. That's why this time I bring the definitive version and a remake of that same video. ruclips.net/video/frNgGOX2Nr4/видео.htmlsi=b0qbHjsScOmtcZ2g
“Those who gave me grapes howled without words, saying they wished they were never born.” There’s something about this that almost brings a tear to my eye.
Because they’re suffering, when you see a dog lying on the side of a highway, unable to be saved and suffering a slow death, you want to put it out of its misery so it can just rest in peace.
@@acrazyweeb7225Life is not the problem, suffering is. That's the truth Nietzche tried to bury with nihilism. There is no point in living a miserable pathetic life, but to make life actually meaningful and fulfilling takes more than "sacrifice" it takes effort, creativity, intelligence, knowledge and above all, the casting off and destruction of all tyrants and exploitative systems
And yet we still die in the end; those who were oppressed one day will become opressors, and there will still be wars waged no matter how hard we beg for them to end. for these people its all the same and there seems to be no end to the struggle either; the Golden Order failed to stay pure, its gods are fickle and flawed, the scarlet rot has cursed the land and to top it all off, even in death there is no true peace cause they can't exactly pass on. Theres no saving the Lands Between, the only way there can be true peace, is by burning it all away.
@accelerationquanta5816 Nihilism is true, but that doesn't mean it has to end in depression or ending your life because it's pointless. I prefer to subscribe to Soren Kierkegaard's philosophy of optimistic Nihlism. Life has no meaning and that is liberating because you make the meaning.
@@62cky4powerthirstThis is essentially Existentialism or a form of Absurdism depending on your opinion of it. The reason Nihilism is not considered 'true' by most is because in many cases, it results in depression or suicide. In other words, its not a sustainable or practical way to live your life because humans are as chained to meaning as we are to emotion or will. Nihilism is akin to doing the first half of the equation but not completing the rest. Anybody with two eyes and a brain capable of deductive reasoning will quickly figure out Nihilism by the age of 14 in the western world. What is much harder to do, is to find the things that you hold dear to you and to live with all your heart for those things. Accepting that the world is meaningless is the easy part. The hard part is forging something for yourself, some tie to this world or some personal meaning beyond that fact. A future is not given to you, it is something you must take for yourself.
the frenzied flame isn't nihilism it's antinatalism or extrem pessimism. one may even see the quest of the lord of Frenzy to destroy all life as a kind of existential purpose. from the perspective of the player character who chose the frenzied flame they are acting in the name of justice. to prevent all future suffering is a goal worth striving towards for those who see no alternative. it can be seen as something that keeps them going for if they failed all the suffering, despair afflicion every sin and every curse would continue. so it is a pretty negative philosophy even more so than nihilism since nihilism isn't inherintly good or bad it's just nothing, but it's not nihilism
@@mhurgle So you could say a mere MAN can kill a GOD if a god is just an idea. Because ideas, sometimes are twisted and can be forgotten. For example, Freddy Kruegger power is people believing in him. So as GODS. Greeks always wrote about that. If men do not seek for gods "for salvation", if they do not believe, GODS die.
"The Greater Will... made a mistake" I've always found the idea of life as a whole being a mistake really interesting. Killing the Elder Beast and burning it all is just cleaning up the mess. May chaos take the world!
@@sublimechimp he just said that the idea is interesting and used a phrase as a meme. most people who genuienly believe in the philosophy of the frenzied flame probably wouldn't play this video game
@@revengance4149and this is exactly the problem. I don't mind people going for lulz or just achievements, but actually trying to somehow morally defend this choice is hypocrisy.
@@AlexCatable it's literally the destruction of all life, of course it's indefensible but there's a complex philosophy behind it. the view that life is so painful it's better if it didn't exist, that the most desirable thing is to never have been born. to state and explain that is not justifying it, it's trying to understand an extremly negative and depressing philosophy. one might even see it as a symbol for depression. I know I find myself oddly relating to the sheer sorrow and agony and the wish to make it all end. please don't take this the wrong way but to say trying to understand this is hypocrisy (and for it to be hypocrisy you would have to prove a contradiction within a persons own thinking) or even morally bad shows a lack of media literacy and a fear of exploring darker topics which is a shame considering in modern culture everybody talks about things on a very shallow level anyway, so to shut me down when I try to actually explore it is kinda mean. Im just trying to have fun, learn and share here
The frenzied flame ending hits harder when you see the cut quest for Kale the nomadic merchant at the beginning of the game. I still view it as canon because the shunning grounds are the dark underbelly of The Lands Between, the side of the golden order that noone wanted to see, thus good reason to be so done with everything, to be done with life itself despite the natural inclination to hold onto one's own life. This is what despair is, and where many of the problems we face in life are born from and exacerbated by; our need, our want to and unyielding desire to exist as long as possible. And Dark Souls 3 showed what happens when you cling onto something for too long, it malforms, contorts and withers into a shell of its fromer self
Except dark souls 3! Where you can choose to let it all die, and be erased for a chance at a better future. Sometimes letting things go is the only right choice
The quotes!! the parallels!! The cutscenes!! EVERYTHING, so perfectly captures. Thank you blessed us with your talent and effort... I hope you do it with text but this great enough.
when i took the mantle of frenzied flame, i did so for the trophy. but as i thought on it, i realized it may have been the best potential ending. instead of allowing sin to continue, torment and death to exist, we have a chance to burn it all away so one day it can start again. hopefully right this time.
But that's the whole point of the frenzied flame the whole horror is that there is no divide or hardship because there is no more life there is no life after this ending
@@agreebledcube2715This is the pure anti-life ending and its among the worst possible outcomes imo aside from the Dung-eater ending. Morally speaking why would you choose to inflict one of the most torturous deaths to everyone in the world when there were so many alternatives that would have preserved the possibility of new innocent life in the future while also returning the death rune to the world thereby allowing those suffering in the present to finally pass on. Your just causing needless suffering while rejecting any possible form of hope for the next age. So then the natural question follows... Why keep living in a world so fucked up? To spite the greater will because by choosing this ending you are essentially just justifying all the fucked up shit its inflicted upon you and the world. Then you are just submitting to your title as a 'mistake' that should be purged.
the title reminds me a lot of what dark souls quest is. think about it, if you choose to link the flame at the end the first flame will use your soul to continue burning. in the end, all of your struggles are just so you can finally die and stay dead, you just so happen to be helping the cycle continue on in the process. maybe this sounds really edgy but it is true, in dark souls and elden ring, for you as the player at least, life is the problem
There’s actually a theory that Dark Souls is what comes after the Frenzy Flame, while Bloodborne is the Age of Stars. Doing any of the other endings is just a perpetuation of the problem that’s already happening. Nothing really changed.
@@ImAmirus exactly, us who know must show the weak and broken the way back to the path. Life is hard but it's worth every bit of pain, the dark , the pain is the greatest teacher.
@@ImAmirusI don't think you realize the parents of the kid probably commented this because you should already identify at this point that a toddler can't write that good
The Frenzied Flame ending unironically helped me look at life differently. I have made a lot of stupid mistakes in my life and they always haunt me because they have made a permanent stigma out of me. As i was going through the questline i begun to think outward as well not just about my mistakes but the world's as well. There are many injusticies and crimes happening in our world both known and unknown, why should we press on when there is no hope or chance for a better tomorrow? Why should we fail why should we cry, why should we suffer, why why why. The Frenzied Flame ending made me feel at peace, it was as if everything had truly ended and nothing mattered anymore and i want the same for me as well, to feel at peace and not disappoint myself or those around me anymore, if i could die painlessly right now without anyone knowing i existed, i would die without regrets. I don't know if anyone will read this, i just wanted to right now my thoughts somewhere and in my moment of weakness this video came to mind and the comment section felt like the perfect place. I don't know who you are but i wish you a great day or night. I don't know what to do with myself anymore.
A comment worthy of being written on the walls of my room to read every day before bed! So magnificent when I find someone who correctly interpreted the ending of the frenzied Flame. Most people take this ending as a reset of the world, even though there is no evidence of even mention of a reset. The end of the frenzied flame is not a solution to fix the problems within life, but rather, to erase the problem that is life itself. The source of all pain and suffering. In this ending, we become god, not a creator, but rather, a repairer of the primordial error, a god capable of silencing the anguished and incessant song of the primordial yearning. All pain and anguish can now disappear forever. There is no denying that our philosophical convictions directed us to this end. Just like you, I made many mistakes, mistakes that still haunt me and shape me as a person. This even led me to start writing a literary work inspired by my traumas, mistakes, and philosophical views of the world. I don't know you, but I believe that people like us, tired of this miserable world full of pain; We chose not to bring anyone here. Like the lord of chaos himself, we are silencing the song of our species' longing. And we embrace the abyss of non-being.
@@ladyreed6094 damn you two are depressing as f*ck but I get it. Im going through a hard time myself and even though I don't want to kill myself I do feel incredibly depressed, lonely and tired. I know that there will be a better time and I want to write books one day so dying isn't an option currently, but I can relate to the general feeling of despair. to me this ending was very emotional and important but not because I agree with it rather I see it as an option we should reject but still be aware of. hope is the right choice but knowing the feeling of despair only enhances the beauty of hope. there will definetly be a character in my books who personifies this ideology and feeling of despair, maybe a jew who died in the holocaust and was reincarnated. not the main character, not someone to be rooting for but rather an incredibly sympathetic villain. I don't know what to tell you guys Im not a professional so I'll just leave it at my own thoughts and expieriences for now
@@revengance4149 I deeply feel that depression can simply open up a much more realistic understanding of things than any optimistic ideology. The world just isn't pretty. Neither does life. And, the embrace of the absurd, the hope of being, is simply the root of all evil. If people weren't so hopeful about life, maybe we could abandon this ship as soon as possible and get rid of all the pain and suffering that life has imposed on us. Not necessarily with a direct suicide, but rather with a poetic suicide of the species by rejecting procreation. Simply say no to what happens. The frenzied flame ending is not only the most exciting, but the only plausible ending. Reject new births and merge everything into one thing, so that true death will fall on everything at once. And the story's conclusion is finished. "No more cycles. No more births." I confess that I am also writing a work. But it deals with artistic and fantasy representations of my traumas, my afflictions, my deepest desires. Etc. With a good pinch of my contempt for the idea of being at the expense of the non-existential abyss.
@@ladyreed6094 Im not talking about idealistic naivety, Im talking about saying "yes" to life despite it's flaws, suffering and absurdity. Melina is also someone who isn't oblivious to suffering. she has endured much suffering and seen even more, but despite that she also approves of life. despite all, there's still beauty to be found in life despite the pain maybe even in the pain itself. there's the hope for a better world and the will to bring such a world about. the feeling of the warmth of a family and freshly cooked food makes life alot more endurable. it's not easy or pleasent but strangely meaningful even satisfying. as you may know Abraham Lincon was more than just a politician. he had many talents one of them were poems. after the civil war when he returned to his childhood home that had been destroyed during it. about this expierience he wrote a short poem which reads as follows "my childhood home I see again and sadden with the view and still as memory crowds my brain there's pleasure in it too" there's meaning and beauty to be found in suffering. that isn't naive. you can see the world for what it is and still hope for a better tomorrow. wheather you're still with us then is up to you
@@revengance4149 You certainly have the freedom to play word games to try to free the phenomenon of life from your tormenting responsibilities. However, this vain hope will make the world no better, and all it will result in is prolonged suffering. This thought that despite everything, life is beautiful and deserves to be followed is probably the root of all our pain. For I say to you: There is no problem that would not be solved if a significant number of people chose not to leave descendants in this evil slaughterhouse. I repeat: There is no problem that would not be solved if a significant number of people chose not to leave descendants in this evil slaughterhouse. There is a passage in my work that goes something like this: Humanity, in its most absolute and incognito ignorance and stupidity, will choose to walk through the most arduous hell rather than abandon its precious phenomenon of life. "We are reaching for the end of the rainbow, the carrot dangling from the stick, knowing full well that there is nothing in it all. Embracing the absurd is not the courageous affirmation of life we once thought it was. It's crazy. We are sinking and creating more victims to keep us company while we drown-and we still wonder why more and more of them hate this situation, despite not fully understanding how deep the pit they are in. So that's it: enough, this stupidity needs to be denounced. Let's stop creating new victims just because we feel we have the right, or worse, the obligation, to feed them into the meat grinder of existence." - Fernando Olszwski
Not surprising. My character was very similar to Edgar. But I think it served the purpose perfectly. Furthermore, his comment inspired my last video, as well as another replay of Elden Ring now in Edgar's skin, in a kind of "What if" he was the protagonist.
The Lands Between are hopeless, monsters and horrible curses populates the entire continent, not to mention the horrible living corpse of Godwyn seeking to consume everything with its deathroot. When a garden is beyond saving, you either try to salvage what you can or burn it all down and start again. If you’re down to save the Lands Between, what would be the options to destroy Godwyn’s corpse? It’s still there in all the endings you choose, you could even accept its dominion with the Duskborn ending. I go with the Flame of Chaos and burn it all down so that new life may one day, flourish.
Always wondered what was the point of saving this world, what is there to be saved ? Every living creature you encounter is either mad, in pain or both. "Deny not the new birth", what new birth? Everyone is dead or dying, lashing out and suffering to the point of madness. This world suffered long enough
Melina is blinded by the hope that this world, despite its pain, is worth continuing. I just lost all consideration for Melina in that dialogue. "Do not deny new births" She speaks as if there is someone in the beyond wishing to inhabit such a despicable world. I'm going to make a new video for Elden Ring, and it's going to make the issue of suffering in the world more intense.
Beautiful work, if a world requires the existence of countless unwilling and trapped innocent sufferers to continue then it is better to do away with it entirely. May the flame of mercy take all worlds.
Because of this, I began thinking they should've done with elden ring what they should've done with Oscar in Dark Souls 1. That at the end, someone like you, nameless, woulf be there to proceed with their own ending
@@lemonnomel7505 he didnt reach the end. Oscar's cut content has him literally fighting you after you beat gwyn the final boss. He does the ending that you don't and that's what I meant. We could've or should've had like a showdown ending fight or a sort of staircase style where you will deny those who will bring about the other endings that you could've picked but didnt Edit: or was it before fighting gwyn? I cant remember
Dear person who made this, this is brilliant. Lord of the Frenzied Flame ending was one of the most beautiful endings I ve ever seen in a video game. This edit you made, this is not just a perfect edit, it is a brilliant thought, a brilliant vision. You have managed to portray ''a new found divinity'' perfectly. Also hearing Teil ll was incredibly suprising for me because it is one of my favourite music pieces of all time. Im writing this because you need to understand that what you made here is enhancing a debetable idea, and make it glorious with the perfect use of visiuals and audios and quotes. Its a serious talent. Please keep it up and thank you for sharing your vision and thank you for this masterpiece.
Some people call the frenzied flame a nihilistic point but it seems different. It's the heroic turned to a new point o view: Let me save you from your selves.
Anytime a person or AI starts going on about needing to save you from yourself or protect you from yourself, you need to start legging it in the opposite direction fast
@@mintypickle4 A flawed machine made by flawed people will enforce a flawed version of humanity. Even the AI we have now is smoke and mirrors. It can only make art, music, and write books with pre-existing material made by humans. It isnt making content based on it's own imagination and personality: it's just frankensteining other people's art together. I don't think humanity is going to build a true thinking, feeling, conscious AI with it's own philosophy on life: atleast not in my lifetime. What we have are silicon valley oligarchs hawking the dangers of AI that conveniently only they have the answers to, as a ploy to get as little regulation on the market as possible so they control the most with the "AI" technology they have. AI isnt going to fix our problems, we're gonna have to get our hand dirty and do it ourselves. It's a fun fantasy, having a robot overlord that makes all the hard political decisions for us: but AI isnt going to lead human society. It will however, make life a little easier as it automates various menial tasks.
Frenzied Flame was never the solution. You are aware that the flame doesnt just purify, it tortures and maddens before it finally kills in one of the worst ways possible. Atleast the other endings ensure that those suffering from eternal life can finally die while allowing for new life to spring forth. But in what world would you have chosen this ending over any other??? The frenzied flame ending is just a submission to the greater will and the world at large. Its like saying "yeah itd have been better to have never been born at all, so we may as well just kill ourselves and ima take everyone else with me." In other words its the 'I bitched out' ending because instead of returning death or making room for new life, you crush out its potential and deny anyone who is currently or yet to exist, the possibility of joy. Its made even worse because you are essentially justifying the GW's "mistake". Life is not the problem, the golden order, the elden ring and the greater will were each and all the problems.
The splendor of the exalted flame will guide us to a brighter future.....as the fires of hatred and grudge burn and burn, consume and ecstasy our souls and gazes....before the tree .... :)
I fucking love this. Been struggling to write a speech by someone who was broken by the suffering of others, and this is helping a lot a lot a lot. Had it on repeat for almost an hour at this point, thank you so much for making it.
Something really interesting to me is that Malenia uses the word "endures" to describe birth and life. If the only point to life is to endure it, then was it ever truly worth it? Something to think on.
Why do you 'endure' strife and suffering? Because there are things worth enduring for. Same can be said here, life endures because it wants to. Theres more to life than simply enduring, thats precisely why it does so.
@@Existential_Robot So? Whats the difference. Whether or not life has intrinsic value doesnt matter to us because we are the ones living. The experience that comes with living is itself valuable to us because it contains within it so many wonders and joys. The purpose of life is not simply to endure so much as it is to broaden variety and depth of experience itself. Does anything have intrinsic value in an objective sense? Of course not, yet we live on because there are things that tie us to our lives. And that is enough of a reason to keep on living ie. The point.
@@gavinferguson2938 Seems like mental gymnastics. There's no true "romantic" point to life. That's the point I was making. The most anyone's life/legacy will ever amount to is being a footnote in a history book, maybe even have a whole paragraph dedicated to them, solely for kids to read/forget about moments later. It's not an inherently bad thing to have no intrinsic point, even if I may have come off that way. Plus, within the context of Elden Ring, their world sucks... A lot. To endure in a world that awful, you've got to have at least a fairly (undeveloped) Nihilistic view on things.
Thank you! It’s wonderful❤ Elden Ring game saved me from depression. These are difficult times in my country. I'm a doctor and I can't be in bad shape. It helped me relieve stress.
"I offer not blood, order, nor the stars. I offer freedom, true freedom. I shall free you from the burden that is life, i shall make us all The One Great. Isnt that just sublime?"
"this started when Lord Gwyn committed the first sin of taking the first flame and tried to keep his reign going by burning the undead as kindling but when the dark approached..anor Londo became a hollow place..no gods left but a illusion of a daughter and he left and tried to keep the age of fire going but only burnt himself out and turned himself into a hollowed husk.. the iron King..vendrick...all became hollows..let the darkness consume us..let the embers die"
Only just found your channel. Most say I like the work put into to this. I value hard work and good editing. I tip my hat you earn sup and a like keep. It up.
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The chief thing I've realized reading these comments is holy fuck is everybody depressed these days. I can't pretend I'm not among them, but the sheer amount of people who would rather have never been than suffer the way we all do does give me pause. I've always maintained that the story of a game can change a life. It did for me, specifically Final Fantasy XIV did, Hydaelyn shattered my notion of the world and helped me see it with new eyes. I think perhaps the Frenzied Flame has done the same for a lot of people, but instead of the glimmering hope Hydaelyn inspired me to reach for, instead the Flame of Frenzy's gift was a comfortable pyre on which to burn...
I’ve noticed it too. Breaks my heart man. We live in a world where to some people, everything is awful and that’s why they feel that way. But if we can come to look over the things that are bad we see start focusing on what’s ahead and the many good things to come.
Frenzy flame may have saved Melina, but a most terrible price had to be paid, for the world needed, renewal through fire. I’d imagine that if this was the canon ending to this, the sequel will have Melina or a descendant of hers to ask the next unlucky to end the frenzy
“The living organism, in a situation determined by the play of energy on the surface of the globe, ordinarily receives more energy than is necessary for maintaining life; the excess energy (wealth) can be used for the growth of a system (e.g., an organism); if the system can no longer grow, or if the excess cannot be completely absorbed in its growth, it must necessarily be lost without profit; it must be spent, willingly or not, gloriously or catastrophically.” -Geroges Bataille
Yes, you can have a life of peace. Of being hollow when you live in fear. Of the illusion of safety when you are too weak to embrace pain. I on the other hand welcome danger with open arms and embrace hardship while you would cower from it, creature of damnation. One does not simply kill every flame. Each and every one a spark. Even if there was nothing the lessons of creating something nothing have been learned. And one does not destory nothing itself. What then can you do? I would so love to see a evil being of destruction answer that somehow.
More than a year ago I had made this video, which became the most viewed on the channel. Both for the more controversial ending and for the title intentionally chosen for it. However, I confess that with the original video, I was not able to convey all the poetic and emotional grandeur that this game and this ending possessed. That's why this time I bring the definitive version and a remake of that same video.
ruclips.net/video/frNgGOX2Nr4/видео.htmlsi=b0qbHjsScOmtcZ2g
Shut up bro u made a masterpiece
old one is better than your new one
“Those who gave me grapes howled without words, saying they wished they were never born.”
There’s something about this that almost brings a tear to my eye.
Almost brings a tear to your grape*
Because they’re suffering, when you see a dog lying on the side of a highway, unable to be saved and suffering a slow death, you want to put it out of its misery so it can just rest in peace.
@@acrazyweeb7225Life is not the problem, suffering is. That's the truth Nietzche tried to bury with nihilism. There is no point in living a miserable pathetic life, but to make life actually meaningful and fulfilling takes more than "sacrifice" it takes effort, creativity, intelligence, knowledge and above all, the casting off and destruction of all tyrants and exploitative systems
And yet we still die in the end; those who were oppressed one day will become opressors, and there will still be wars waged no matter how hard we beg for them to end. for these people its all the same and there seems to be no end to the struggle either; the Golden Order failed to stay pure, its gods are fickle and flawed, the scarlet rot has cursed the land and to top it all off, even in death there is no true peace cause they can't exactly pass on. Theres no saving the Lands Between, the only way there can be true peace, is by burning it all away.
Ehh tear to your eye I see what you did there
NieR Automata taught me to know better about Nihilism but the Frenzied Flame Ending is just too stunning to not want to witness it every playthrough
@accelerationquanta5816 Nihilism is true, but that doesn't mean it has to end in depression or ending your life because it's pointless. I prefer to subscribe to Soren Kierkegaard's philosophy of optimistic Nihlism. Life has no meaning and that is liberating because you make the meaning.
@@62cky4powerthirstThis is essentially Existentialism or a form of Absurdism depending on your opinion of it.
The reason Nihilism is not considered 'true' by most is because in many cases, it results in depression or suicide. In other words, its not a sustainable or practical way to live your life because humans are as chained to meaning as we are to emotion or will. Nihilism is akin to doing the first half of the equation but not completing the rest. Anybody with two eyes and a brain capable of deductive reasoning will quickly figure out Nihilism by the age of 14 in the western world. What is much harder to do, is to find the things that you hold dear to you and to live with all your heart for those things.
Accepting that the world is meaningless is the easy part. The hard part is forging something for yourself, some tie to this world or some personal meaning beyond that fact. A future is not given to you, it is something you must take for yourself.
@accelerationquanta5816 Ok nerd
@@JavierGarcia-gn2grusas la palabra "nerd" con intención de insultar cuando a ti no te dijeron nada en ningún momento, que infantil
the frenzied flame isn't nihilism it's antinatalism or extrem pessimism. one may even see the quest of the lord of Frenzy to destroy all life as a kind of existential purpose. from the perspective of the player character who chose the frenzied flame they are acting in the name of justice. to prevent all future suffering is a goal worth striving towards for those who see no alternative. it can be seen as something that keeps them going for if they failed all the suffering, despair afflicion every sin and every curse would continue. so it is a pretty negative philosophy even more so than nihilism since nihilism isn't inherintly good or bad it's just nothing, but it's not nihilism
“We undead will never die…and that’s quite the predicament, really”
“A man, cannot kill a God”. What a phrase… Elden Ring is such a amazing game. He touches our hearts like no other game touched. Amazing.
*_"YOU CAN KILL THE PROPHET BUT YOU CAN'T KILL THE GOD!"_*
A god is an idea, and you may not be able to slay an idea,
but you can corrupt it, and by doing so, the god becomes corrupt aswell.
@@mhurgle So you could say a mere MAN can kill a GOD if a god is just an idea.
Because ideas, sometimes are twisted and can be forgotten. For example, Freddy Kruegger power is people believing in him. So as GODS. Greeks always wrote about that.
If men do not seek for gods "for salvation", if they do not believe, GODS die.
@@mhurgle low iq
This reminds me of a dialogue from Saulden, "Do you see what that means?
To be alive…to walk this earth… That's the real curse right there."
My favorite phrase from the saga.
"The Greater Will... made a mistake"
I've always found the idea of life as a whole being a mistake really interesting. Killing the Elder Beast and burning it all is just cleaning up the mess.
May chaos take the world!
EldeR Ring, oh EldeR Ring...
Who hurt you
@@sublimechimp he just said that the idea is interesting and used a phrase as a meme. most people who genuienly believe in the philosophy of the frenzied flame probably wouldn't play this video game
@@revengance4149and this is exactly the problem. I don't mind people going for lulz or just achievements, but actually trying to somehow morally defend this choice is hypocrisy.
@@AlexCatable it's literally the destruction of all life, of course it's indefensible but there's a complex philosophy behind it. the view that life is so painful it's better if it didn't exist, that the most desirable thing is to never have been born. to state and explain that is not justifying it, it's trying to understand an extremly negative and depressing philosophy. one might even see it as a symbol for depression. I know I find myself oddly relating to the sheer sorrow and agony and the wish to make it all end. please don't take this the wrong way but to say trying to understand this is hypocrisy (and for it to be hypocrisy you would have to prove a contradiction within a persons own thinking) or even morally bad shows a lack of media literacy and a fear of exploring darker topics which is a shame considering in modern culture everybody talks about things on a very shallow level anyway, so to shut me down when I try to actually explore it is kinda mean. Im just trying to have fun, learn and share here
Yees.... Life is a curse... let me help you.
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MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!
The frenzied flame ending hits harder when you see the cut quest for Kale the nomadic merchant at the beginning of the game. I still view it as canon because the shunning grounds are the dark underbelly of The Lands Between, the side of the golden order that noone wanted to see, thus good reason to be so done with everything, to be done with life itself despite the natural inclination to hold onto one's own life. This is what despair is, and where many of the problems we face in life are born from and exacerbated by; our need, our want to and unyielding desire to exist as long as possible. And Dark Souls 3 showed what happens when you cling onto something for too long, it malforms, contorts and withers into a shell of its fromer self
I wish I could experience Elden Ring again for the first time. This game is absolutely amazing and I love every aspect of it
Elden ring offers the third option none of the other souls games offer... burn it all away.
At least you can make yourself burn for an Eternity! That's always something
Except dark souls 3! Where you can choose to let it all die, and be erased for a chance at a better future. Sometimes letting things go is the only right choice
The quotes!! the parallels!! The cutscenes!! EVERYTHING, so perfectly captures. Thank you blessed us with your talent and effort... I hope you do it with text but this great enough.
My latest from Elden ring has text.
that part with gideon getting blasted with madness was epic with his quote alongside it
May Chaos take the world
It already did
MAY CHAOS... TAKE! THE WORLD!
You fool.
“MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!!!”
"But the Greater Will made a mistake....to amend."
I love this theme in the game under the frenzied flame quest line
when i took the mantle of frenzied flame, i did so for the trophy. but as i thought on it, i realized it may have been the best potential ending. instead of allowing sin to continue, torment and death to exist, we have a chance to burn it all away so one day it can start again. hopefully right this time.
But that's the whole point of the frenzied flame the whole horror is that there is no divide or hardship because there is no more life there is no life after this ending
@@agreebledcube2715except Melina, if you didn't let her burn. She promises to "deliver unto you, what is yours." After watching torrent fade away.
@@agreebledcube2715This is the pure anti-life ending and its among the worst possible outcomes imo aside from the Dung-eater ending. Morally speaking why would you choose to inflict one of the most torturous deaths to everyone in the world when there were so many alternatives that would have preserved the possibility of new innocent life in the future while also returning the death rune to the world thereby allowing those suffering in the present to finally pass on. Your just causing needless suffering while rejecting any possible form of hope for the next age. So then the natural question follows...
Why keep living in a world so fucked up? To spite the greater will because by choosing this ending you are essentially just justifying all the fucked up shit its inflicted upon you and the world. Then you are just submitting to your title as a 'mistake' that should be purged.
@@amidalaprin4846which means we’re alive as well. We’re alive, and so is she. Who else stands?
@@scalesthecobra9685Those goddamn bell bearing hunters.
the title reminds me a lot of what dark souls quest is. think about it, if you choose to link the flame at the end the first flame will use your soul to continue burning. in the end, all of your struggles are just so you can finally die and stay dead, you just so happen to be helping the cycle continue on in the process. maybe this sounds really edgy but it is true, in dark souls and elden ring, for you as the player at least, life is the problem
I always choose the dark lord ending
There’s actually a theory that Dark Souls is what comes after the Frenzy Flame, while Bloodborne is the Age of Stars.
Doing any of the other endings is just a perpetuation of the problem that’s already happening. Nothing really changed.
This feel's so wonderful and cool it feels like you're showing the lore of madness.
@@ImAmirus exactly, us who know must show the weak and broken the way back to the path. Life is hard but it's worth every bit of pain, the dark , the pain is the greatest teacher.
@@ImAmirusI don't think you realize the parents of the kid probably commented this because you should already identify at this point that a toddler can't write that good
I love the story you told in this tribute, so tragic yet almost uplifting at the end.
I wouldn’t call creating the singularity, uplifting since nothing else will exist. but there is a certain, peace to the end of all things
Me and Shabriri lifting up the Lands Between: 😵💫😵🔥🔥🔥
@@AcmeMonkeyCompanymay it be known that I'm literally howling at this comment, gasping for air at the sight of the emojis lmao
The quotes from the Hound...perfect touch to the video.
The Frenzied Flame ending unironically helped me look at life differently. I have made a lot of stupid mistakes in my life and they always haunt me because they have made a permanent stigma out of me. As i was going through the questline i begun to think outward as well not just about my mistakes but the world's as well. There are many injusticies and crimes happening in our world both known and unknown, why should we press on when there is no hope or chance for a better tomorrow? Why should we fail why should we cry, why should we suffer, why why why. The Frenzied Flame ending made me feel at peace, it was as if everything had truly ended and nothing mattered anymore and i want the same for me as well, to feel at peace and not disappoint myself or those around me anymore, if i could die painlessly right now without anyone knowing i existed, i would die without regrets. I don't know if anyone will read this, i just wanted to right now my thoughts somewhere and in my moment of weakness this video came to mind and the comment section felt like the perfect place. I don't know who you are but i wish you a great day or night. I don't know what to do with myself anymore.
A comment worthy of being written on the walls of my room to read every day before bed! So magnificent when I find someone who correctly interpreted the ending of the frenzied Flame. Most people take this ending as a reset of the world, even though there is no evidence of even mention of a reset. The end of the frenzied flame is not a solution to fix the problems within life, but rather, to erase the problem that is life itself. The source of all pain and suffering.
In this ending, we become god, not a creator, but rather, a repairer of the primordial error, a god capable of silencing the anguished and incessant song of the primordial yearning. All pain and anguish can now disappear forever.
There is no denying that our philosophical convictions directed us to this end. Just like you, I made many mistakes, mistakes that still haunt me and shape me as a person. This even led me to start writing a literary work inspired by my traumas, mistakes, and philosophical views of the world.
I don't know you, but I believe that people like us, tired of this miserable world full of pain; We chose not to bring anyone here. Like the lord of chaos himself, we are silencing the song of our species' longing. And we embrace the abyss of non-being.
@@ladyreed6094 damn you two are depressing as f*ck but I get it. Im going through a hard time myself and even though I don't want to kill myself I do feel incredibly depressed, lonely and tired. I know that there will be a better time and I want to write books one day so dying isn't an option currently, but I can relate to the general feeling of despair. to me this ending was very emotional and important but not because I agree with it rather I see it as an option we should reject but still be aware of. hope is the right choice but knowing the feeling of despair only enhances the beauty of hope. there will definetly be a character in my books who personifies this ideology and feeling of despair, maybe a jew who died in the holocaust and was reincarnated. not the main character, not someone to be rooting for but rather an incredibly sympathetic villain. I don't know what to tell you guys Im not a professional so I'll just leave it at my own thoughts and expieriences for now
@@revengance4149 I deeply feel that depression can simply open up a much more realistic understanding of things than any optimistic ideology. The world just isn't pretty. Neither does life. And, the embrace of the absurd, the hope of being, is simply the root of all evil. If people weren't so hopeful about life, maybe we could abandon this ship as soon as possible and get rid of all the pain and suffering that life has imposed on us. Not necessarily with a direct suicide, but rather with a poetic suicide of the species by rejecting procreation. Simply say no to what happens. The frenzied flame ending is not only the most exciting, but the only plausible ending. Reject new births and merge everything into one thing, so that true death will fall on everything at once. And the story's conclusion is finished. "No more cycles. No more births."
I confess that I am also writing a work. But it deals with artistic and fantasy representations of my traumas, my afflictions, my deepest desires. Etc. With a good pinch of my contempt for the idea of being at the expense of the non-existential abyss.
@@ladyreed6094 Im not talking about idealistic naivety, Im talking about saying "yes" to life despite it's flaws, suffering and absurdity. Melina is also someone who isn't oblivious to suffering. she has endured much suffering and seen even more, but despite that she also approves of life. despite all, there's still beauty to be found in life despite the pain maybe even in the pain itself. there's the hope for a better world and the will to bring such a world about. the feeling of the warmth of a family and freshly cooked food makes life alot more endurable. it's not easy or pleasent but strangely meaningful even satisfying. as you may know Abraham Lincon was more than just a politician. he had many talents one of them were poems. after the civil war when he returned to his childhood home that had been destroyed during it. about this expierience he wrote a short poem which reads as follows
"my childhood home I see again
and sadden with the view
and still as memory crowds my brain
there's pleasure in it too"
there's meaning and beauty to be found in suffering. that isn't naive. you can see the world for what it is and still hope for a better tomorrow. wheather you're still with us then is up to you
@@revengance4149 You certainly have the freedom to play word games to try to free the phenomenon of life from your tormenting responsibilities. However, this vain hope will make the world no better, and all it will result in is prolonged suffering. This thought that despite everything, life is beautiful and deserves to be followed is probably the root of all our pain. For I say to you: There is no problem that would not be solved if a significant number of people chose not to leave descendants in this evil slaughterhouse. I repeat: There is no problem that would not be solved if a significant number of people chose not to leave descendants in this evil slaughterhouse.
There is a passage in my work that goes something like this: Humanity, in its most absolute and incognito ignorance and stupidity, will choose to walk through the most arduous hell rather than abandon its precious phenomenon of life.
"We are reaching for the end of the rainbow, the carrot dangling from the stick, knowing full well that there is nothing in it all. Embracing the absurd is not the courageous affirmation of life we once thought it was. It's crazy. We are sinking and creating more victims to keep us company while we drown-and we still wonder why more and more of them hate this situation, despite not fully understanding how deep the pit they are in. So that's it: enough, this stupidity needs to be denounced. Let's stop creating new victims just because we feel we have the right, or worse, the obligation, to feed them into the meat grinder of existence." - Fernando Olszwski
If only I could rewind time to experience this anew. Thank you Miyazaki for one of the best gaming experiences of our lives.
2:00 NO WAY YOU ACTUALLY DID EDGAR FOR THE FRENZY ENDING
The world trembles at the will of a man who has nothing to lose
Not surprising. My character was very similar to Edgar. But I think it served the purpose perfectly. Furthermore, his comment inspired my last video, as well as another replay of Elden Ring now in Edgar's skin, in a kind of "What if" he was the protagonist.
The Lands Between are hopeless, monsters and horrible curses populates the entire continent, not to mention the horrible living corpse of Godwyn seeking to consume everything with its deathroot. When a garden is beyond saving, you either try to salvage what you can or burn it all down and start again. If you’re down to save the Lands Between, what would be the options to destroy Godwyn’s corpse? It’s still there in all the endings you choose, you could even accept its dominion with the Duskborn ending. I go with the Flame of Chaos and burn it all down so that new life may one day, flourish.
1:54 - My daughter deserved better... the fault lies with me. I chose duty over my daughter's safety...
This is perfect.
However ruined this world has become
However mired in torment and despair
For anyone wondering the second Song is
Kjartan Sveinsson - Teil 2
Always wondered what was the point of saving this world, what is there to be saved ?
Every living creature you encounter is either mad, in pain or both. "Deny not the new birth", what new birth?
Everyone is dead or dying, lashing out and suffering to the point of madness.
This world suffered long enough
Melina is blinded by the hope that this world, despite its pain, is worth continuing. I just lost all consideration for Melina in that dialogue. "Do not deny new births" She speaks as if there is someone in the beyond wishing to inhabit such a despicable world. I'm going to make a new video for Elden Ring, and it's going to make the issue of suffering in the world more intense.
Life was never about it’s creation but it’s destruction… ahh may chaos take the world. MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!
Let nothing remain, let it just, melt again, no pain, no hate, no sadness, no nothing. I just don’t want to feel anything anymore.
Wow, great work!
I felt the despair of living and the comfort of giving up hope.
Shabriri would be proud!
Beautiful work, if a world requires the existence of countless unwilling and trapped innocent sufferers to continue then it is better to do away with it entirely.
May the flame of mercy take all worlds.
Because of this, I began thinking they should've done with elden ring what they should've done with Oscar in Dark Souls 1. That at the end, someone like you, nameless, woulf be there to proceed with their own ending
That's what Godfrey was doing.
thats what vyke was
@@Cptsuccess he wasn't some nameless tarnished tho
@@lemonnomel7505 he didnt reach the end. Oscar's cut content has him literally fighting you after you beat gwyn the final boss. He does the ending that you don't and that's what I meant. We could've or should've had like a showdown ending fight or a sort of staircase style where you will deny those who will bring about the other endings that you could've picked but didnt
Edit: or was it before fighting gwyn? I cant remember
@@TJVBernalOscar gets killed by the tarnished before the ending canonically. He hollowed after we leave him.
Every curse every sin.... Uffff chills
Dear person who made this, this is brilliant. Lord of the Frenzied Flame ending was one of the most beautiful endings I ve ever seen in a video game. This edit you made, this is not just a perfect edit, it is a brilliant thought, a brilliant vision. You have managed to portray ''a new found divinity'' perfectly. Also hearing Teil ll was incredibly suprising for me because it is one of my favourite music pieces of all time. Im writing this because you need to understand that what you made here is enhancing a debetable idea, and make it glorious with the perfect use of visiuals and audios and quotes. Its a serious talent. Please keep it up and thank you for sharing your vision and thank you for this masterpiece.
🖤
Some people call the frenzied flame a nihilistic point but it seems different. It's the heroic turned to a new point o view: Let me save you from your selves.
Anytime a person or AI starts going on about needing to save you from yourself or protect you from yourself, you need to start legging it in the opposite direction fast
@@liamzakhaevwhy? It’s a solution.
@@mintypickle4a solution doesnt have to be good either way
@@mintypickle4 A flawed machine made by flawed people will enforce a flawed version of humanity. Even the AI we have now is smoke and mirrors. It can only make art, music, and write books with pre-existing material made by humans. It isnt making content based on it's own imagination and personality: it's just frankensteining other people's art together. I don't think humanity is going to build a true thinking, feeling, conscious AI with it's own philosophy on life: atleast not in my lifetime.
What we have are silicon valley oligarchs hawking the dangers of AI that conveniently only they have the answers to, as a ploy to get as little regulation on the market as possible so they control the most with the "AI" technology they have.
AI isnt going to fix our problems, we're gonna have to get our hand dirty and do it ourselves. It's a fun fantasy, having a robot overlord that makes all the hard political decisions for us: but AI isnt going to lead human society.
It will however, make life a little easier as it automates various menial tasks.
Frenzied Flame was never the solution. You are aware that the flame doesnt just purify, it tortures and maddens before it finally kills in one of the worst ways possible. Atleast the other endings ensure that those suffering from eternal life can finally die while allowing for new life to spring forth. But in what world would you have chosen this ending over any other???
The frenzied flame ending is just a submission to the greater will and the world at large. Its like saying "yeah itd have been better to have never been born at all, so we may as well just kill ourselves and ima take everyone else with me."
In other words its the 'I bitched out' ending because instead of returning death or making room for new life, you crush out its potential and deny anyone who is currently or yet to exist, the possibility of joy. Its made even worse because you are essentially justifying the GW's "mistake". Life is not the problem, the golden order, the elden ring and the greater will were each and all the problems.
So beautiful
Thank you for posting the music too, you'd be surprised how many people don't do it. Awesome video, truly captured everything about the ending.
The splendor of the exalted flame will guide us to a brighter future.....as the fires of hatred and grudge burn and burn, consume and ecstasy our souls and gazes....before the tree .... :)
This deserves more views. Well done chosen tarnished and would be lord
Omg this was beautiful...please do one for bloodborne
the best elden ring tribute video ive watched yet! love it
I fucking love this. Been struggling to write a speech by someone who was broken by the suffering of others, and this is helping a lot a lot a lot. Had it on repeat for almost an hour at this point, thank you so much for making it.
The tarnished fought so hard, helped many, and burns a corrupted order to ground, and in exchange is betrayed by the one that helped them do so
Burnt... all to ashes. No more pain, no more sin, no more disparity, all in one, named The One Great.
Something really interesting to me is that Malenia uses the word "endures" to describe birth and life.
If the only point to life is to endure it, then was it ever truly worth it? Something to think on.
Why do you 'endure' strife and suffering? Because there are things worth enduring for. Same can be said here, life endures because it wants to. Theres more to life than simply enduring, thats precisely why it does so.
@@gavinferguson2938 does life endure because it's worth something of intrinsic value? No.
It endures because it was DESIGNED to endure.
@@Existential_Robot So? Whats the difference. Whether or not life has intrinsic value doesnt matter to us because we are the ones living. The experience that comes with living is itself valuable to us because it contains within it so many wonders and joys. The purpose of life is not simply to endure so much as it is to broaden variety and depth of experience itself. Does anything have intrinsic value in an objective sense? Of course not, yet we live on because there are things that tie us to our lives. And that is enough of a reason to keep on living ie. The point.
@@gavinferguson2938 Seems like mental gymnastics. There's no true "romantic" point to life. That's the point I was making. The most anyone's life/legacy will ever amount to is being a footnote in a history book, maybe even have a whole paragraph dedicated to them, solely for kids to read/forget about moments later.
It's not an inherently bad thing to have no intrinsic point, even if I may have come off that way.
Plus, within the context of Elden Ring, their world sucks... A lot. To endure in a world that awful, you've got to have at least a fairly (undeveloped) Nihilistic view on things.
beautiful, all of it. can't wait for more!
The only correct ending
This tribute really hits home, thanks for posting this
Beautiful song, beautiful game and awesome work!
Life endures only to torment us all. We need it to end. May chaos take the world. MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD.
To live is to suffer. To suffer is to endure.
Only waythis could have been better was the inclusion of Kale's cut dialog
I didn't know about Kale's cut content when I made this video. In my most recent Elden ring video I included the cut dialogue.
@@ladyreed6094 Can you add the link to that video in the description, or maybe in a pinned comment of this video?? It's hard to find in your channel
Thank you! It’s wonderful❤ Elden Ring game saved me from depression. These are difficult times in my country. I'm a doctor and I can't be in bad shape. It helped me relieve stress.
I'm very happy to read this
The Sandor Clegane quotes were on point.
Beautifully edited 😊
One of the most epic edit I ever seen, great job man 👏👏❤🔥
Its Monday morning I wasn't ready for this level of emotion..
Aldia: Life is brilliant beautiful, it enchants us to the point of obsession.
"I offer not blood, order, nor the stars. I offer freedom, true freedom. I shall free you from the burden that is life, i shall make us all The One Great. Isnt that just sublime?"
This is a work of art
Beautiful video and editing.
May chaos take the world.
"this started when Lord Gwyn committed the first sin of taking the first flame and tried to keep his reign going by burning the undead as kindling but when the dark approached..anor Londo became a hollow place..no gods left but a illusion of a daughter and he left and tried to keep the age of fire going but only burnt himself out and turned himself into a hollowed husk.. the iron King..vendrick...all became hollows..let the darkness consume us..let the embers die"
Only just found your channel. Most say I like the work put into to this. I value hard work and good editing. I tip my hat you earn sup and a like keep. It up.
Bellissimo video! Anello ancestrale Finalmente platinato😁😁😁 Era da anni che non trovavo un gioco che mi rapisse cosí, storia magnifica e piena di dettagli che mi ha dato la forza di cominciarlo 3 volte e di finirlo al 100%, a livello 225 spammando solamente lama blasfema e morte fatidica nemmeno mi sono sporcato le mani... Ora posso dire che non lo toccheró per un po😆😆😆 Ciao community e buona fortuna per il vostro viaggio nella terra di mezzo!!!
"Beautifully tragic." Well done my friend.
This should have been the trailer this is beautiful
it is criminal how little your subscriber count is compared to the quality of work you put in. It's moving, all of it
Wonderfully done. Bravo.
love it!
The chief thing I've realized reading these comments is holy fuck is everybody depressed these days. I can't pretend I'm not among them, but the sheer amount of people who would rather have never been than suffer the way we all do does give me pause. I've always maintained that the story of a game can change a life. It did for me, specifically Final Fantasy XIV did, Hydaelyn shattered my notion of the world and helped me see it with new eyes. I think perhaps the Frenzied Flame has done the same for a lot of people, but instead of the glimmering hope Hydaelyn inspired me to reach for, instead the Flame of Frenzy's gift was a comfortable pyre on which to burn...
I’ve noticed it too. Breaks my heart man. We live in a world where to some people, everything is awful and that’s why they feel that way. But if we can come to look over the things that are bad we see start focusing on what’s ahead and the many good things to come.
This for real would be the best Elden ring trailer fr
you just earned a loyal subscriber, I hope that you get more subscribers in the future☺️
Great work, keep it up!!
The hound
BEAUTIFUL
Okay, the sped up marching of the soldiers made me laugh, breaking me of thy immersion.
This makes you feel
best ending and story
Burn away all that divides and distinguishes, MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD.
“I’m sorry you cant see the future I envision. A world of equals.”
may chaos take the world, engulf it in frenzied flames
This game is simply wonderful
May Chaos take the WORLD
This makes me feel like a special tarnished.
The heavens do not fear me because I am a god, they fear me because I AM A MAN
-Pantheon (Atreus), League of Legends
Angels lie to keep control, slipknot
It's beautiful
May chaos take the world...!!!!!
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
May Chaos Take The World!
A land that demands sacrifice is not worth the dirt that lays on it. May chaos take the world!
Frenzy flame may have saved Melina, but a most terrible price had to be paid, for the world needed, renewal through fire. I’d imagine that if this was the canon ending to this, the sequel will have Melina or a descendant of hers to ask the next unlucky to end the frenzy
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD
“The living organism, in a situation determined by the play of energy on the surface of the globe, ordinarily receives more energy than is necessary for maintaining life; the excess energy (wealth) can be used for the growth of a system (e.g., an organism); if the system can no longer grow, or if the excess cannot be completely absorbed in its growth, it must necessarily be lost without profit; it must be spent, willingly or not, gloriously or catastrophically.”
-Geroges Bataille
Yes, you can have a life of peace. Of being hollow when you live in fear. Of the illusion of safety when you are too weak to embrace pain. I on the other hand welcome danger with open arms and embrace hardship while you would cower from it, creature of damnation. One does not simply kill every flame. Each and every one a spark. Even if there was nothing the lessons of creating something nothing have been learned. And one does not destory nothing itself. What then can you do?
I would so love to see a evil being of destruction answer that somehow.
We need this in 4k
the hound moment
becoming the lord of chaos is definitely canon..
In the beginning of the fight radahn's arrow are actually cleanrot knight spears that pierced him.