Even if you can't gong a servant that is asleep by Oberon, you can actually gong them on the same turn you used the buff on them before they go to sleep, if you reallllly want them dead
@@evanolsen6925 Can link you a tweet where JP FGO is planning/already made Stella Boy completely utterly unkillable with a buff that doesn't count as a buff
Merlin is released: 1. The entirety of Arc 1 is trivialized (except for maybe the Lartoria boss fight in Camelot) thanks to Merlin's sustain, damage, and Nope skill (Illusion) 2. break bars are introduced, to curtail big numbers facilitated by Merlin. 3. arena/festival CQs are barred from using double supports, to curtail stalling out with Merlin and the big damage from previous point. (Also Skadi is here?) 4. the game shifts entirely to 3 turn farming being viable and preferred for every card type. Finally rendering Merlin less desirable to the playerbase after 3 or 4 years Conclusion: Merlin may be outmoded by VitchKoyan; and Casturia may have just stolen and improved upon his 1st skill, but he's the best simply for how he warped the game's overall design. Also on a joking note, his latest banner on JP after 2 years was just this weekend, as in only the weekend 3days, and came with no buffs; because the devs are still afraid of the vagabond of paradise
These and the worst lists have been great videos overall, and I'm not just saying that because you putting Muramasa at #2 validates my opinion that 2021 was the year game balance Really got thrown out the window (see also, the rest of the servants that came out after Mura)
Waver Ozzy and Herc, show that even in the beginning they could make some truly great servants to use. I know this was a 5 star video, and I'm fairly certain the only reason why Herc would be an honorable mention for a 4 star version would be needing him bond 10 to become truly broken.
The unfortunate part of melusine is that they said she took twice the development time compared to other servants, while I'd like to see more characters like her it'll take a whileeeee
I think it probably took so long to make her because it's the first time they ever done this So I don't think making another character like her would take that long
Probably my favorite thing I've done with Super Orion is double castoria. Just NP using the gauge given by double castoria on the same turn you have a guaranteed arts crit and you have his NP ready again next turn because that NP gain is _absolutely ridiculous_
What’s crazy about the sabers is your best depends on your supports. Artoria and Ibuki are the top Buster, Okita Alter for Quick, and Nero Bride and Muramasa for Arts.
I'm surprised Artoria Saber wasn't even in honorable mentions, since she is the AOE Servant with THE HIGHEST damage of the whole game, surpasing even Godjuna with his anti-evil buff active. Also being the AOE Saber with the highest damage of the game BY FAR, surpasing even a lot of Single Target Sabers. Also having an unique and super rare skill which bypasses RNG and lets you go Brave Buster Chain super easy, which makes her and excellent Boss killer despite being AOE. And she doesn't depend in Koyanskaya to be broken AF. I'd dare to say Artoria's arguably the best Saber of the whole game (except maybe because Muramasa can loop even without supports, however she has A LOT MORE Damage than him). She deserved at least to be in honorable mentions.
@@FuWindsword she is not tho she will never surpass God Arjuna 😂 also why are you commenting on every single comment are you braindead or that desperate that you fav character is bad ? 😂 I can name more than 20 servants better and stronger than Artoria 😂😂😂😂😂
With Road to 7 Campaign Coming. I kinda looking forward to see if they'll buff all the Lostbelt King. Imagine if Arjuna and Shi Huang has their own Star Bomb while Morgan's S1 also provide AoE Charge or a Target table NP Type Change
Give Shi Huang 10 or 15 stars per turn on his NP and watch the 2nd coming of Super Orion but with crazy defence... or buff removal resistance, that would be great too.
I think Ivan now with his buff can also be considered best rider, when he came out he lacked some damage and then got a NP buff but he still had a major downgrade to the competicion: a battery. His kit was always more focused for CQs and does a amazing job, but farming with him wast a option espeacially if you had characters like Drake. BUT NOW? The guy not only got a 30% battery to go for the koyankaya/oberon system, he also got EVEN MORE damage with his damage mods
Bazett has one extra up over Melt in terms of usefulness: her NP is both single and AOE, which means she can farm very easily on any Cavalry nodes. I've seen people mentioning 3T farming with single target Servants and that's a bit alien to me, unless they mean the 90+ node specifically maybe. It doesn't matter for Bazett though, she has no problem with that.
I'm surprised Artoria Saber wasn't even in honorable mentions, since she is the AOE Servant with THE HIGHEST damage of the whole game, surpasing even Godjuna with his anti-evil buff active. Also being the AOE Saber with the highest damage of the game BY FAR, surpasing even a lot of Single Target Sabers. Also having an unique and super rare skill which bypasses RNG and lets you go Brave Buster Chain super easy, which makes her and excellent Boss killer despite being AOE. And she doesn't depend in Koyanskaya to be broken AF. I'd dare to say Artoria's arguably the best Saber of the whole game (except maybe because Muramasa can loop even without supports, however she has A LOT MORE Damage than him). She deserved at least to be in honorable mentions.
@@gibbygibbstein7858 Better than the AOE servant with the highest damage of the whole game? One that was able to 3 turn farm even before the release of Koyanskaya? One that has an unique skill no other servant has that assures Brave Buster Chain? And which is arguably the best of all Servants for Koyanskaya system (besides Morgan)? Considering how Muramasa Loops even without supports, maybe. However it still dissapointing that she wasn't in SPECIAL MENTIONS even, given how brokenly good she is.
@@gibbygibbstein7858 WRONG. Did you read anything of what i said? Artoria is the AOE servant with the highest damage of THE WHOLE GAME, surpassing even Godjuna with his anti-evil buff active. And Ibuki doesn't even come close to them: NP1 Damage only self buffs: Artoria: 38806 Godjuna: 37376 Ibuki: 284657 Source: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1OTrMARN9I06zD_jIhGdmHFWpkePoSWv_xgEk3XPzZWY/htmlview# Also, as i mentioned 2 times already, her Kit is Top Tier, cause she has an unique skill that no other servant of the game has, which allows here to bypass RNG and assures Brave Buster Chain, which makes her a TOP SERVANT FOR CHALLENGE QUESTS. Ibuki's only advantage is her 50% battery, but with 6 turns cooldown, and her damage is super lackluster. She also lacks Artoria's 20% NP refund, which makes her worse for Koyanskaya system. Artoria right now is arguably the best Saber of the whole game. I'd agree only Muramasa is better, and just because he's able to spam even without supports. If we add supports to the ecuation, Artoria is objectively the best.
@@FuWindsword "Her damage is super lack luster" Literally has the 2nd highest aoe saber damage in the game. You're quite obviously a biased artoria fan boy so even bothering to waste time arguing with you would be pointless. Ibuki and Muramasa are both simply much much better cope.
Honestly, really surprised by no Space Ishtar - not even as an honorable mention. She's (imo) the best universal 3-turn farmer in the game thanks to her amazingly offensive skills (as well as an NP damage up on her NP that stacks each turn you use it in those 3 turns) and the ability to be used in any card comp (more notably, Arts and Buster for brave chains and better supports). While she rarely has her own class advantage (excluding Berserkers), she benefits from lack of class disadvantage since Moon Cancer enemies are super rare (notably, rarer than Rulers).
Her issue for this kind of list is that to effectively farm with her you need the top tier supports, or at the very least a Tamamo and Peracelsus. If you have the best supports she is hands down the most universal farmer in the game right next to Musashi zerker.
Double Waver is no different from Double Castoria or Double Skadi in the sense that you need another SSR for the intended loop. That's why she is not in the listo.
I am a little sad that we didn't get everyone's favorite Kaiju cutie KP on the list but I can understand that if she doesn't get her stacks going she is a little rough. But once she gets her buffs later this year she becomes one of the tankiest servants ever being able to just shrug off NPs like nothing but you just need to pair with someone to help keep her stacks and there isn't much that can stop her.
Good video overall. I agree with most of your points. I would put Muramasa lower on the list and maybe switch a couple of servants around such as Ozy and Douman. But I don't think any of the picks you made were hot takes. Most of them are opinions that the vast majority of the FGO community would agree with. For the Extra class in particular you were absolutely on the money with Oberon and Bazett. If I were making the list, I would switch out Douman for either Van Gogh or Himiko. But in the beginning of the video, you did mention that these units would be ranked in the context of not having all of the broken supports. (Not in the context of a whale acc). With that disclaimer taken in consideration, units such as: Van Gogh, Himiko, and Space Ishtar make sense for why they are not on the list. Once again, I think you did a great job with the video, and I will not be one of the commentors that will give you a hard time for over one unit's placement. The only big disagreement that I have is with Mruamasa's placement. The simple reason for why I disagree is that units such as Koyanskaya, Oberon, and Melusine are simply just meta defining units that are optimal for multiple areas of the game such as farming and Raids. Whereas Muramasa's best usage wil lbe that of farming. I do agree that he's the best Saber the only other one being debatably better than him being Nero Bride. You worked hard on this video, and you did a good job 👍
Lore support! (NA friendly, so up to 5.1 only) Saber: Uh, y'all will find out soon. Real soon. In the meantime, play Shimousa I guess. Hmmm, suspicious Archer: He's the Grand. That's pretty cool, and good enough to put him in the spot, right? Lancer: Wow, he really picked one I can't say much about without spoiling, huh? Alright. Uh... I guess it's not really that spoilery to say that she's very, *very* fast Rider: Watch Camelot movies. Play Camelot singularity. (I'd have put the guy from Tunguska here, or maybe sm0l Da Vinci, but Ozy is cool too) Caster: Why doesn't she have Hominidae or Dragon? Hmmm, suspicious. Assassin: In LB3, QSH says that her spirit mass or w/e is really, REALLY high. Hmmm, suspicious Berserker: Just wait until she comes in the story. You won't regret it. The wait IS worth it. Extra #1: Just wait until he comes in the story. You won't regret it. The wait IS worth it. (Don't forget you can use his 3rd skill on Arash with basically 0 consequences) Extra #2: She beats up a bunch of 5th graders in Kaleid Liner. Funny shit. Extra #3: Uh, y'all will find out soon. Real soon. In the meantime, play Shimousa I guess. Hmmm, suspicious
I may be bias but it's surprising to me that there is not even a hint to van gogh in the video, she gives servants with the outside the domain passive 150% crit dmg up with her np while kinda limited it also applies to herself. with servant coins she doesn't even need a battery ce if paired with another van gogh allowing her to use things like 2030 or even better her bond ce for more passive star gen.
I agree with the normal class picks for the most part, but I felt like the Extra classes were not fully represented. How were there 2 Alter Egos and a Pretender, but zero rulers (broken as a class), avengers (amazing options), or foreigners? Even your honorable mentions didn't mention ANY avengers but included yet another alter ego, a ruler, and a foreigner. Have you ever used Shi Huang Di before? He is far and away one of the best servants in the game, and not just for soloing like some people have labeled him as. He is my best servant for challenge quests and is just plain better than Jeanne, who I should mention I also own. Since the honorable mention you gave Jeanne for extra class seemed like a throw-away, I thought I would suggest him as a better option. Other extra class options that definitely outclass Jeanne are as follows: Space Ishtar, Summer Kama, Van Gogh, Taira no Kagekiyo, Edmond Dantes, Amakusa Shiro, Amor, Summer BB, Kiara (avenger), Kiara (alter ego). No disrespect, but I just felt like it was weird that you seemed like there wasn't anyone you could choose for that honorable mention spot. Jeanne did get a skill glow-up not long ago which did make her previously dead skill set significantly better, but compared to the servants I have listed above her skills are still lacking. Thanks for another entertaining and informative video though, keep it up!
If it were my list, I would personally have gone with Oberon, Douman, and either Spishtar or Van Gogh for a top 3. The first two make enough sense. Spishtar is the game's most universal farmer between her 50% battery and good class advantages for farming (1.1x damage multiplier and passive NP gen each turn). Van Gogh is just kinda nutty as a mix of support and DPS. The stuff you can pull off with her is difficult to explain because no other servant can do it. I own Bazett on JP and I think she's quite good, but there are some real heavy hitters in the extra classes I'd have to put before her.
Is an excellent servant... just not as broken. And the game since Olympus kind of hates him with so much DoT and invul pierce buff removal. He is good, and I love him (Level 100, 10/10/10 working for the Gold fous), but JP meta rendered him worse. This is a JP list, after all. You can't judge a JP top 10 with NA mindset.
he's the best Jack-of-all-trades supports, but excelling in "doing everything fine" still gives him a lot of things he's incapable of. Keep that in mind 😁😁
@@erenkruger5760 Although Tamamo not really overshadowed by Castoria. In fact, she work pretty good with Castoria, since she could cover in some aspects Castoria couldn't.
I watched a gameplay video of Bazett soloing an event boss and her gameplay looked so fun I immediately decided that I will 100% be saving SQ for her banner when she comes to NA, but having seen what her skills ACTUALLY DO it made me want to save for her even more, holy shit shes so good
Not gonna lie. I don't disagree with many of the picks here. And I may make my own list thanks to you! Love your breakdowns of the servants. Honestly hate how much Muramasa is pushed. I need to test him to get my own opinion after your breakdown and see if it changes my stance on him. Got a sub from me, hope to one day work with you ^O^
Muramasa can 3 turn loop with just one Castoria and any arts buffer that's at least 20%, 99% of all Arts looper can't do it without double Castoria, they'll be really close to 100% NP but not enough to use it.
i really expected that you'd put Qin Shi Huang for the extra class instead of Douman cuz of his insane survivability (not to mention he's a ruler so stars gravitate towards him and he can crit hard after his np) , maybe its bcs of his low attack for a 5*. other than that i pretty much agree with the everything here, i even guessed bazett and oberon lol
While Merlin was mentioned and not ranked Him along with Caster Artoria and Morgan can make a Really silly Invincible comp Merlin can provide stars, np gain and healing Morgan can provide over charge and debuffs and castoria is the last in the np chain for like 4 hits of her defense This can be used to beat basically everything in the game with a FEW exceptions
I personally would have made an additional for Casters because we knew Castoria was going to be on the top and mention DPS Casters as well. My top pick would be between Sanzang, Murasaki and Caster Umu. All three have self sustained damage after all, albeit Umu is more consistent about it.
Ahh yes UMU the one 5* that's close to NP5. Because on her first banner I got 3 copies and didn't get any other summer servants for that banner. Got the next copy the year later. Still missing the last copy though
this is a good list i actually agree with you about Melusine i'm going whale for myself when the fae knights come to NA but i feel like it's too support heavy like for example for the assassins no mention of King Hassan who can kill an enemy instantly with just face cards another example the extra classes what about Space Ishtar who can do all card types or Summer BB for her faceless moon skill the can lock a hand for 3 turns
Quite a few of the year 1 permanent Servants are still amazing. Not just Ozy, there are also Enkidu, Cuzilla, Vlad, OG Seiba, Waver, Tam, Sanzang, etc.
Fair's fair. For DPS casters I very much like Caster Nero for all that she offers to the table. She's a go to for me for all kinds of content. The problem is that the support casters are just so busted
Semiramis eat most of saved quartz for castoria. But I will still try to get her so my waver and Tama get some rest been running them ragged lately try to gather quartz
My only displeased with this list is that it ditch out himiko, as she would fit any team, can be a support and a dps, low cooldown and is a ruper, basically can punch pretty much every class
As a massive amakusa shill I always sigh with pain when he's never given the praise he deserves, a all rounder that can support, damage, remove all buffs, tank massive damage and fit in all teams as a main DPS or even a backup. Plus he deserves kisses
IMO the biggest flaw of Bazzett is that her buffs (excluding her first skill) only last for 1 turn , while she relies on that 100% crit damage buff a lot as her np can’t break bars
My problem with Melusine is that you're forced to Asc 3 her every time you use her survivability skill. What if u just want to use her single target move i think fgo should have done is that if she is in her asc 2 she can transform to asc 3 but in asc 1 it's just a normal survival and np bat skill.
how would you compare Quetz and Ozzy if Quetz'd also get a similar NP Buff? It's really been a d*ck move how DW buffed both Quetz' and Ozzy's charisma at the same time and then just buffed only Ozzy's NP later on. Especially considering all their overall similarities.
The fact that her OC is a burn effect is really bad for her play style. She does great damage and her crits are intense so if her NP gave herself some wild crit damage or a star absorb she would be more competitive. It's a damn shame because she's such a good character.
@@klidge yea, tbh i'm pretty disappointed how they treat DoT effects. when stuff like a 300HPx10Turns burn exist and they could have easily fixed it in Cu Caster's case. Imo they should just undo all the increase DoT dmg effects amd make the DoTs scale with the dmg of the attack/NP. like having a "Burn for 3-5% of dmg dealt over 5 turns" which makes it essentially a 15-25% dmg increase and thus comparable to something like a +30-90% NP dmg on Musashi's NP and similar (as it'd be multiplicative i'd say that'd be a fair comparison). cause a 1000HPx5Turns really doesnt do shit if the NP itself can deal easily over 1Mil dmg tbh, she doesnt really need any more star absorption, her base weight of 204 and her 3rd skill are enough in 99% of the cases. I'd rather wanna see some NP dmg increase or some defensive utility. Imo it'd be really nice if they'd buff her 2nd skill to just do more (seeing tricolour efficiency up and some heal/def would be awesome, it doesnt have to be raw dmg. Also, because lore-wise its INarguably THE. MOST. BROKEN. skill/authority in Fate) and/or her 3rd skill to be updated (3turn effects or 100% would be fair tbh). It just sucks to see how ideally she'd get multiple smaller buffs to her skills (and she also really deserves that +200% base NP modifier imo) but sadly DW doesn't do "split buffs" (yet). i dont think she has to be broken (even if she'd probably deserve it more than some others) but i'd love to have her kit be more interesting and gun to play, but not such a pure raw dmg oriented skillset (while others get crazier dmg buffs AND more defensive options, which she lacks completely)
@@harrya9458 ok u'd have to explain that.. Achilles hits like a wet noodle and all he got is a Taunt/Invincible combo while people like Mash, Jeanne etc exist...
@@andreas_rr in my experience, he definitely doesn’t hit like a wet noodle. He can dish out decent and somewhat consistent crit damage with his quick cards and first skill, and his NP definitely helps that. He also has decent consistency with said NP because of his third skill. I feel Achilles is especially good at what he does, instead of being a support/DPS bybrid, and I guess I might be a little biased with that one because I like his character, I also only play on NA so I haven’t experienced the other two’s buffs. Idk, maybe I’m playing wrong, because I found Achilles better at dealing consistent damage than Ozy or Quetz
I'll still say Merlin is the real #1 unit this game has to offer. Dude trivialized so much stuff that the devs changed the mechanics of the game to counter him, and even today he's still a very powerful contender. He is also still the only unit to permanently contribute even if he isn't doing anything in a specific turn because of his NP.
Got Merlin myself a few days ago from the start dash banner. I didn't have any of the servants from that banner so I was pleasantly surprised when he showed up.@@tsurugi5
Kinda think Summer BB deserved at least honorable mention. There is no other servant that will let you 3 turn with face cards. And for servants like Super Orion, that let's you play them "solo" for those turns. Her NP is helpful for having NP drain for CQ, and can still be enough to clear a first wave. Also, it just really bothered me that you picked 2 Alter Egos, and no Avengers or Moon Cancer. XD Otherwise, interesting list. 👍
Problem is that she's not practical at all, and that using her makes you unable to bring more actual damage buffets and make you unable to run Gong buffstacking
@@Founder_of_Morgans_Fanclub I wouldn't say "not practical". She's niche to be sure, so just an honorable mention. Servants like Orion can get more from stacking their on-attack buffs for 3 turns and the 3 turns of guaranteed brave chains. Or servants who get buffs from their NP can also loop with post-NP crit chains and start snowballing, like Kama.
@@xanaviii problem with BB is that her teams make you unable to bring more buffers so the damage can take a hit, limit you from uskng Chen God, are easy to disrupt because faceless moon gets negated if a team member dies and a few other things. She's also pretty uninpressive as a dps unfortunately because her damage is pretty low. Now, Douman+BB and Gogh as a team... Now that is scary
@@Founder_of_Morgans_Fanclub you're not wrong, I'm just implying some set ups don't *need* another buffer or Chen Gong. If you're only NP looping, yeah, BB is not the choice. But for crit set ups, I'd argue making your DPS have the same brave chain 3x is pretty invaluable. Haha, yeah, Douman BB Gogh sounds pretty nutty.
It’s sad almost all of these were JP only. Could you please do an NA version because this list probably being obsolete when these characters are real eased on na, this list is obsolete now for those on na as we can’t use them so 95% of this info is kinda useless. Love your vids 😊❤️
its hard to take farming into account when ranking servants for me. 3 turn looping is really cool and all, but ST np's will mostly be better for story and cq content. i think it comes down to if you rank farming or difficult content as being the main factor
Good list. I appreciate the restriction of top by class here to make it more interesting than just listing 10 supports. The one I would debate the most is Muramasa. In comparison to what I'd consider the big 4 of Saber AoEs (Artoria, Ibuki, Chibitan, and Muramasa), I feel as if arts supports have really inflated his reputation and cover his biggest weaknesses so well (being all about one turn and lacking survivability) that I think he has been rather overhyped. Though to be fair, this applies to about every arts looper. Also, a lot of the more powerful Muramasas you can borrow on JP are NP2+ which mislead people as to what they will probably have if they summon him.. Not having my own Castoria, I've found him somewhat underwhelming when borrowing one. In particular, I don't think he scales to 90+ node setups well because he has the "Dantes problem" of needing to save his steroid for wave 3. Oddly enough, if we're not taking into account having optimal support setups, I kind of think Summer Chibitan is the sleeping giant of the big 4 and might be my pick (though IMO the right pick is Ibuki who has the best compromise of what the other three offer). It's just Quick lags behind arts/buster right now, and I think she got lost a bit in the hype around Summer Kama on release. But her kit is kind of bonkers with everything operating over 3 turns save star absorb, her NP having the ever useful defense buff strip, having a very good survivability skill, and having bonkers NP gain. Basically, if Caster Artoria was a Quick Support, Chibitan would have Muramasa's rep or better IMO.
Great video but the archer and Lancer hit me because I didn't get orion and melusine I'm so salty about orion because I spent all my sq and ticket to orion and hate it. Also gud thing that the assassin is not kama because for me kama is kinda over rated and loved koyanskaya real much. I might go with castoria and murama if I could get them but my main focus as of right now is romulus quirinus.
Merlin is somehow simultaneous over and under rated. People think Koyanskaya powercrept him (She didn't, as he's still got his defensive support niche) People think he's THE strongest support (He isn't, he lacks the 50% charge that most other supporters) -Someone who owns the Wick Dizard and Evil Tamface
Sidenote though I largely agree with your list, I'd argue you vastly underestimated Godjuna, he can Solo through sheer damage alone, Similar note for Taira as she can Solo the Nerofest rerun's finale due to her mix of survivability and damage. Last note Ozy hits like a truck I'm confused how/why you'd say otherwise, He has 60% Attack up for 3T using his Skills and if you lead with his NP, it reduces defense by 20%
I would argue against Koyanskaya of Light. Based on the parameters of what you're talking about, only 5* NP1 10/10/10, then Koyanskaya's abilities would fall a bit short. Yes, there are other Buster characters she can buff and if you can get a second Koyanskaya from a friend, you've got some serious uptime. But Gramps has the staying power. 1 Gramps at 10/10/10 with pick your poison of supports is going to hold out better
Interesting lost and I can understand why you like these ones but I'm not sure if I agree. But then it might just bey own bias or hate for some characters.
If we are talking independent servants, particulary for saber STs. okita tops the chart. Skadi is good but sometimes it feels like other chars are getting in the way. Her cards are just too good. 31 stars on a B QQ chain? Like for real? The dmg on her np + the 3 turn 30 debuff that gives have an attack boost for those turns. Insane Np gen etc etc. But l guess STs will always be ignored in favor of AOEs
I'm gonna need some advice from yins here, Do I go for Muramasa on new years? Context is needed here. I got Dioscuri as collateral trying a few sq for Sigurd, just cause, and those two do the same thing as Muramasa, but slightly worse, but they have a single target that does more (just bc it's a single target). So I'm kinda stuck because Muramasa is barely gonna come up in the future, just in lucky bags, and new years again. I need advice from you people who have more experience than me, my "senpai's" if you might
Muramasa is worth rolling for regardless of the twins. They technically do the same role but Muramasa does it significantly better. Like how fumma and jack are both star generators but Jack does so much more if that makes sense
Space Slave needs at least another top tier support (of your own, since you need another one from a friend) in order to loop. He said it at the start of the vídeo that is not based on Double systems
@@ceobe108 Reines is a bit of a strange comparison, totally differend type of unit. As for why he's good, it's high damage, high uptimes, amazing NP gain, star gain on the side, invincibility, debuff clear, buff clear... He has a lot and his main weakness was the lack of battery. Which he has now. At least in tough CQs where you face multiple enemies he really shines
My personal list: Saber-artoria Archer-gilgamesh Lancer-melusine Rider-ozymandias Caster-merlin Assassin-king hassan Berserker- arjuna alter Extra-space ishtar
Even if you can't gong a servant that is asleep by Oberon, you can actually gong them on the same turn you used the buff on them before they go to sleep, if you reallllly want them dead
Or use STELAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
@@evanolsen6925 Can link you a tweet where JP FGO is planning/already made Stella Boy completely utterly unkillable with a buff that doesn't count as a buff
The thing is, most of the time, the enemy or wave would be already dead after the buffed servant np, u can't gong them
Merlin is released:
1. The entirety of Arc 1 is trivialized (except for maybe the Lartoria boss fight in Camelot) thanks to Merlin's sustain, damage, and Nope skill (Illusion)
2. break bars are introduced, to curtail big numbers facilitated by Merlin.
3. arena/festival CQs are barred from using double supports, to curtail stalling out with Merlin and the big damage from previous point. (Also Skadi is here?)
4. the game shifts entirely to 3 turn farming being viable and preferred for every card type. Finally rendering Merlin less desirable to the playerbase after 3 or 4 years
Conclusion: Merlin may be outmoded by VitchKoyan; and Casturia may have just stolen and improved upon his 1st skill, but he's the best simply for how he warped the game's overall design.
Also on a joking note, his latest banner on JP after 2 years was just this weekend, as in only the weekend 3days, and came with no buffs; because the devs are still afraid of the vagabond of paradise
These and the worst lists have been great videos overall, and I'm not just saying that because you putting Muramasa at #2 validates my opinion that 2021 was the year game balance Really got thrown out the window (see also, the rest of the servants that came out after Mura)
He literally broke the game
The other broken supports were mostly just OP
@@GarkKahn honestly, only Castoria broke shit about as badly as Merlin. The rest dont even come close
Spent all my hard-earned 200 sq for him yet I still didn't get him 🤧
@@Founder_of_Morgans_Fanclub the only person who could break the game as much as Merlin was literally just Merlin if he was Saber.
Shoutout to Waver and Ozzymandias for staying in there for so long. It's rare for a gacha to keep old characters relevant.
Holy cow.
Even the anime can't keep Quetz relevant.
Ozy on the other hand, has never been as far away from relevancy as she is!
...have you seen Merlin?
@@Shokamoka well quetz is still not buffed like ozy though
Waver Ozzy and Herc, show that even in the beginning they could make some truly great servants to use. I know this was a 5 star video, and I'm fairly certain the only reason why Herc would be an honorable mention for a 4 star version would be needing him bond 10 to become truly broken.
Ahh yes the 2 of most overworked servant in the game 😂
The unfortunate part of melusine is that they said she took twice the development time compared to other servants, while I'd like to see more characters like her it'll take a whileeeee
I think it probably took so long to make her because it's the first time they ever done this
So I don't think making another character like her would take that long
@@Moon1tan I think it was said that it was cause it was like making 2 servants? But I could it wrong
@@Moon1tan is this moon from the angiisenpaii channel
@@builtdifferent6206 👀
Well they had to write a lot of new code for Melusine. But now that they have the code written the next one will be faster.
Probably my favorite thing I've done with Super Orion is double castoria. Just NP using the gauge given by double castoria on the same turn you have a guaranteed arts crit and you have his NP ready again next turn because that NP gain is _absolutely ridiculous_
>Muramasa does bonus damage to kings
He just tells them, that they are "not a warrior", putting a berserker's universal class disadvantage upon them.
What’s crazy about the sabers is your best depends on your supports. Artoria and Ibuki are the top Buster, Okita Alter for Quick, and Nero Bride and Muramasa for Arts.
I'm surprised Artoria Saber wasn't even in honorable mentions, since she is the AOE Servant with THE HIGHEST damage of the whole game, surpasing even Godjuna with his anti-evil buff active. Also being the AOE Saber with the highest damage of the game BY FAR, surpasing even a lot of Single Target Sabers.
Also having an unique and super rare skill which bypasses RNG and lets you go Brave Buster Chain super easy, which makes her and excellent Boss killer despite being AOE. And she doesn't depend in Koyanskaya to be broken AF.
I'd dare to say Artoria's arguably the best Saber of the whole game (except maybe because Muramasa can loop even without supports, however she has A LOT MORE Damage than him). She deserved at least to be in honorable mentions.
@@FuWindsword she is not tho she will never surpass God Arjuna 😂 also why are you commenting on every single comment are you braindead or that desperate that you fav character is bad ? 😂 I can name more than 20 servants better and stronger than Artoria 😂😂😂😂😂
Okita Alter summer for quick loops, but regular Okita is great as a single target killer especially for burst turns
I personally say Musashi over Artoria in buster when you need a ST Saber instead of AoE
@@truekurayami Ya I probably should have stated an ST and AOE go each.
With Road to 7 Campaign Coming. I kinda looking forward to see if they'll buff all the Lostbelt King. Imagine if Arjuna and Shi Huang has their own Star Bomb while Morgan's S1 also provide AoE Charge or a Target table NP Type Change
Give Shi Huang 10 or 15 stars per turn on his NP and watch the 2nd coming of Super Orion but with crazy defence... or buff removal resistance, that would be great too.
Arjuna 3rd buff where once the guts pops it lowers skill cooldown by 2 and gives a star bomb of 15 stars. He would break the game even more
Imagine. Skadi buff.
@@LadislausKallig give her NP gen on top of her battery. castoria treatment
I doubt they will buff skadi again since she just got a buff a few months ago. a man can dream thou
I think Ivan now with his buff can also be considered best rider, when he came out he lacked some damage and then got a NP buff but he still had a major downgrade to the competicion: a battery. His kit was always more focused for CQs and does a amazing job, but farming with him wast a option espeacially if you had characters like Drake.
BUT NOW? The guy not only got a 30% battery to go for the koyankaya/oberon system, he also got EVEN MORE damage with his damage mods
Still one of my favourite characters in FGO, so happy that I grailed him
Bazett has one extra up over Melt in terms of usefulness: her NP is both single and AOE, which means she can farm very easily on any Cavalry nodes.
I've seen people mentioning 3T farming with single target Servants and that's a bit alien to me, unless they mean the 90+ node specifically maybe. It doesn't matter for Bazett though, she has no problem with that.
I'm surprised Artoria Saber wasn't even in honorable mentions, since she is the AOE Servant with THE HIGHEST damage of the whole game, surpasing even Godjuna with his anti-evil buff active. Also being the AOE Saber with the highest damage of the game BY FAR, surpasing even a lot of Single Target Sabers.
Also having an unique and super rare skill which bypasses RNG and lets you go Brave Buster Chain super easy, which makes her and excellent Boss killer despite being AOE. And she doesn't depend in Koyanskaya to be broken AF.
I'd dare to say Artoria's arguably the best Saber of the whole game (except maybe because Muramasa can loop even without supports, however she has A LOT MORE Damage than him). She deserved at least to be in honorable mentions.
Both Muramasa and Ibuki are overall better than her though.
@@gibbygibbstein7858 Better than the AOE servant with the highest damage of the whole game? One that was able to 3 turn farm even before the release of Koyanskaya? One that has an unique skill no other servant has that assures Brave Buster Chain? And which is arguably the best of all Servants for Koyanskaya system (besides Morgan)?
Considering how Muramasa Loops even without supports, maybe. However it still dissapointing that she wasn't in SPECIAL MENTIONS even, given how brokenly good she is.
@@FuWindsword yes, because Artoria hardly does more damage than Ibuki and has a worse kit for anything else that's not farming therefore she's worse.
@@gibbygibbstein7858 WRONG. Did you read anything of what i said? Artoria is the AOE servant with the highest damage of THE WHOLE GAME, surpassing even Godjuna with his anti-evil buff active. And Ibuki doesn't even come close to them:
NP1 Damage only self buffs:
Artoria: 38806
Godjuna: 37376
Ibuki: 284657
Source: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1OTrMARN9I06zD_jIhGdmHFWpkePoSWv_xgEk3XPzZWY/htmlview#
Also, as i mentioned 2 times already, her Kit is Top Tier, cause she has an unique skill that no other servant of the game has, which allows here to bypass RNG and assures Brave Buster Chain, which makes her a TOP SERVANT FOR CHALLENGE QUESTS.
Ibuki's only advantage is her 50% battery, but with 6 turns cooldown, and her damage is super lackluster. She also lacks Artoria's 20% NP refund, which makes her worse for Koyanskaya system.
Artoria right now is arguably the best Saber of the whole game. I'd agree only Muramasa is better, and just because he's able to spam even without supports. If we add supports to the ecuation, Artoria is objectively the best.
@@FuWindsword "Her damage is super lack luster"
Literally has the 2nd highest aoe saber damage in the game.
You're quite obviously a biased artoria fan boy so even bothering to waste time arguing with you would be pointless. Ibuki and Muramasa are both simply much much better cope.
Honestly, really surprised by no Space Ishtar - not even as an honorable mention. She's (imo) the best universal 3-turn farmer in the game thanks to her amazingly offensive skills (as well as an NP damage up on her NP that stacks each turn you use it in those 3 turns) and the ability to be used in any card comp (more notably, Arts and Buster for brave chains and better supports). While she rarely has her own class advantage (excluding Berserkers), she benefits from lack of class disadvantage since Moon Cancer enemies are super rare (notably, rarer than Rulers).
Her issue for this kind of list is that to effectively farm with her you need the top tier supports, or at the very least a Tamamo and Peracelsus. If you have the best supports she is hands down the most universal farmer in the game right next to Musashi zerker.
@@klidge she's more universal than musashi zerk, she can farm 90+ and work with other catd types
@@klidge she works with casgil it's just the damage issue, I'm talking from experience with her.
@@klidge I have her, and I 3T farm with Paracelsus, Waver and another Support Waver support (sometimes I pick Tamamo). Kaleidoscope and the switch MC.
Double Waver is no different from Double Castoria or Double Skadi in the sense that you need another SSR for the intended loop. That's why she is not in the listo.
Everyone is saving for castoria, I'm looking to skip her for Van Gogh. She's much cuter and at the end of the day...that's all that matters
I respect it
Amen brotha
Yes, love>meta
based
Yaaass quick orion
I am a little sad that we didn't get everyone's favorite Kaiju cutie KP on the list but I can understand that if she doesn't get her stacks going she is a little rough. But once she gets her buffs later this year she becomes one of the tankiest servants ever being able to just shrug off NPs like nothing but you just need to pair with someone to help keep her stacks and there isn't much that can stop her.
Good video overall. I agree with most of your points. I would put Muramasa lower on the list and maybe switch a couple of servants around such as Ozy and Douman. But I don't think any of the picks you made were hot takes. Most of them are opinions that the vast majority of the FGO community would agree with. For the Extra class in particular you were absolutely on the money with Oberon and Bazett. If I were making the list, I would switch out Douman for either Van Gogh or Himiko. But in the beginning of the video, you did mention that these units would be ranked in the context of not having all of the broken supports. (Not in the context of a whale acc). With that disclaimer taken in consideration, units such as: Van Gogh, Himiko, and Space Ishtar make sense for why they are not on the list. Once again, I think you did a great job with the video, and I will not be one of the commentors that will give you a hard time for over one unit's placement. The only big disagreement that I have is with Mruamasa's placement. The simple reason for why I disagree is that units such as Koyanskaya, Oberon, and Melusine are simply just meta defining units that are optimal for multiple areas of the game such as farming and Raids. Whereas Muramasa's best usage wil lbe that of farming. I do agree that he's the best Saber the only other one being debatably better than him being Nero Bride. You worked hard on this video, and you did a good job 👍
Lore support! (NA friendly, so up to 5.1 only)
Saber: Uh, y'all will find out soon. Real soon. In the meantime, play Shimousa I guess. Hmmm, suspicious
Archer: He's the Grand. That's pretty cool, and good enough to put him in the spot, right?
Lancer: Wow, he really picked one I can't say much about without spoiling, huh? Alright. Uh... I guess it's not really that spoilery to say that she's very, *very* fast
Rider: Watch Camelot movies. Play Camelot singularity. (I'd have put the guy from Tunguska here, or maybe sm0l Da Vinci, but Ozy is cool too)
Caster: Why doesn't she have Hominidae or Dragon? Hmmm, suspicious.
Assassin: In LB3, QSH says that her spirit mass or w/e is really, REALLY high. Hmmm, suspicious
Berserker: Just wait until she comes in the story. You won't regret it. The wait IS worth it.
Extra #1: Just wait until he comes in the story. You won't regret it. The wait IS worth it. (Don't forget you can use his 3rd skill on Arash with basically 0 consequences)
Extra #2: She beats up a bunch of 5th graders in Kaleid Liner. Funny shit.
Extra #3: Uh, y'all will find out soon. Real soon. In the meantime, play Shimousa I guess. Hmmm, suspicious
Muramasa is so good that he can even destroyed archer servant where he is weak to
I may be bias but it's surprising to me that there is not even a hint to van gogh in the video, she gives servants with the outside the domain passive 150% crit dmg up with her np while kinda limited it also applies to herself. with servant coins she doesn't even need a battery ce if paired with another van gogh allowing her to use things like 2030 or even better her bond ce for more passive star gen.
Well best berserker for me is Godjuna, cause his first skill could be used for normal attack, unlike morgan special atk only apply for her np
Honestly fair. Realistically they are tied in my mind, I just prefer Morgans play style more, but Godjuna is still wild
I agree with the normal class picks for the most part, but I felt like the Extra classes were not fully represented. How were there 2 Alter Egos and a Pretender, but zero rulers (broken as a class), avengers (amazing options), or foreigners? Even your honorable mentions didn't mention ANY avengers but included yet another alter ego, a ruler, and a foreigner.
Have you ever used Shi Huang Di before? He is far and away one of the best servants in the game, and not just for soloing like some people have labeled him as. He is my best servant for challenge quests and is just plain better than Jeanne, who I should mention I also own. Since the honorable mention you gave Jeanne for extra class seemed like a throw-away, I thought I would suggest him as a better option.
Other extra class options that definitely outclass Jeanne are as follows: Space Ishtar, Summer Kama, Van Gogh, Taira no Kagekiyo, Edmond Dantes, Amakusa Shiro, Amor, Summer BB, Kiara (avenger), Kiara (alter ego). No disrespect, but I just felt like it was weird that you seemed like there wasn't anyone you could choose for that honorable mention spot. Jeanne did get a skill glow-up not long ago which did make her previously dead skill set significantly better, but compared to the servants I have listed above her skills are still lacking. Thanks for another entertaining and informative video though, keep it up!
If it were my list, I would personally have gone with Oberon, Douman, and either Spishtar or Van Gogh for a top 3. The first two make enough sense. Spishtar is the game's most universal farmer between her 50% battery and good class advantages for farming (1.1x damage multiplier and passive NP gen each turn). Van Gogh is just kinda nutty as a mix of support and DPS. The stuff you can pull off with her is difficult to explain because no other servant can do it.
I own Bazett on JP and I think she's quite good, but there are some real heavy hitters in the extra classes I'd have to put before her.
Yeah Shi Huang Di if you want to grow old by the time the fight’s finished.
@@pondypoo Still won't take as long as pure stall teams that can go 300 turns. Shi Huang Di is an excellent servant.
Is an excellent servant... just not as broken. And the game since Olympus kind of hates him with so much DoT and invul pierce buff removal. He is good, and I love him (Level 100, 10/10/10 working for the Gold fous), but JP meta rendered him worse. This is a JP list, after all. You can't judge a JP top 10 with NA mindset.
The best SSR is Waver, because he's an instant Easy Mode...hell, he's my 1st SSR back in EN's Year 1
True. He literally fit into any team, any comps, any possible situation to beat the game.
he's the best Jack-of-all-trades supports, but excelling in "doing everything fine" still gives him a lot of things he's incapable of. Keep that in mind 😁😁
Fr the other 1st gen supports like Tamamo,Merlin etc got overshadowed by Castoria,Koyanskaya and Oberon but Waver is still picked on every team
@@erenkruger5760
Although Tamamo not really overshadowed by Castoria. In fact, she work pretty good with Castoria, since she could cover in some aspects Castoria couldn't.
I rolled for waver (failled), i used the SSR tickets to get him just to proceed not use him at all, feelsbadman.
I watched a gameplay video of Bazett soloing an event boss and her gameplay looked so fun I immediately decided that I will 100% be saving SQ for her banner when she comes to NA, but having seen what her skills ACTUALLY DO it made me want to save for her even more, holy shit shes so good
Not gonna lie. I don't disagree with many of the picks here. And I may make my own list thanks to you! Love your breakdowns of the servants.
Honestly hate how much Muramasa is pushed. I need to test him to get my own opinion after your breakdown and see if it changes my stance on him.
Got a sub from me, hope to one day work with you ^O^
I really appreciate the incredibly high praise! I would be down to work on something in the future
Muramasa can 3 turn loop with just one Castoria and any arts buffer that's at least 20%, 99% of all Arts looper can't do it without double Castoria, they'll be really close to 100% NP but not enough to use it.
CQ/story
1. Castoria
2. Merlin
3. Morgan
4. Koyan light
5. Oberon
Farming
1. Castoria
2. Oberon
3. Space Ishtar
4. Koyan light
5. Melusine
i really expected that you'd put Qin Shi Huang for the extra class instead of Douman cuz of his insane survivability (not to mention he's a ruler so stars gravitate towards him and he can crit hard after his np) , maybe its bcs of his low attack for a 5*.
other than that i pretty much agree with the everything here, i even guessed bazett and oberon lol
I love mothman but he has been inconsistent for me anytime I use him. Mind you that could easily be user error, and when he does go, he goes H A R D.
@@klidge he needs critstars if he had a star bomb on his last skill or np he would be better
12:58 is great, he sounds like hes gonna give a good argument confidently and I almost believed it haha
While Merlin was mentioned and not ranked Him along with Caster Artoria and Morgan can make a Really silly Invincible comp
Merlin can provide stars, np gain and healing Morgan can provide over charge and debuffs and castoria is the last in the np chain for like 4 hits of her defense
This can be used to beat basically everything in the game with a FEW exceptions
I personally would have made an additional for Casters because we knew Castoria was going to be on the top and mention DPS Casters as well.
My top pick would be between Sanzang, Murasaki and Caster Umu. All three have self sustained damage after all, albeit Umu is more consistent about it.
Yeah for the DPS casters UMU takes the cake easily
Ahh yes UMU the one 5* that's close to NP5. Because on her first banner I got 3 copies and didn't get any other summer servants for that banner. Got the next copy the year later.
Still missing the last copy though
Lack of Himiko and Space Ishtar is surprising but more specifically for honourable mentions.
this is a good list i actually agree with you about Melusine i'm going whale for myself when the fae knights come to NA but i feel like it's too support heavy like for example for the assassins no mention of
King Hassan who can kill an enemy instantly with just face cards another example the extra classes what about Space Ishtar who can do all card types
or Summer BB for her faceless moon skill the can lock a hand for 3 turns
It's nice that the two best servants are also a canon pair
before i finish ill be on my knees and pray that Seiba, Musashi r in there
Maybe you could do a video on power creep in the game? Other than Ozy these are new this year in NA or not even here yet.
Quite a few of the year 1 permanent Servants are still amazing. Not just Ozy, there are also Enkidu, Cuzilla, Vlad, OG Seiba, Waver, Tam, Sanzang, etc.
Other than morgan, I would agree with this list. Still think Arjuna Alter is the best.
I mean both of them are great. Planning to use both together when lostbelt 6 drops since I already got arjuna alter
Here me out Oberon is the BEST support for Arash, got a 1 wave fight against 3 servants? just nuke'n go
I feel like For caster your honorable mention should have been one of the dps caster. You know to switch things up.
Fair's fair. For DPS casters I very much like Caster Nero for all that she offers to the table. She's a go to for me for all kinds of content. The problem is that the support casters are just so busted
"The one everyone has been waiting for or skipped ahead to" Everyone knows it's Castoria lmao
Semiramis eat most of saved quartz for castoria. But I will still try to get her so my waver and Tama get some rest been running them ragged lately try to gather quartz
My only displeased with this list is that it ditch out himiko, as she would fit any team, can be a support and a dps, low cooldown and is a ruper, basically can punch pretty much every class
As a massive amakusa shill I always sigh with pain when he's never given the praise he deserves, a all rounder that can support, damage, remove all buffs, tank massive damage and fit in all teams as a main DPS or even a backup. Plus he deserves kisses
IMO the biggest flaw of Bazzett is that her buffs (excluding her first skill) only last for 1 turn , while she relies on that 100% crit damage buff a lot as her np can’t break bars
My problem with Melusine is that you're forced to Asc 3 her every time you use her survivability skill. What if u just want to use her single target move i think fgo should have done is that if she is in her asc 2 she can transform to asc 3 but in asc 1 it's just a normal survival and np bat skill.
That's why imo Melusine isn't even top 3 ST Lancers, purely cause of how hard her 3rd skill gimps her ST performance.
Great list, I actually agree with this analysis!
"Support your local kuudere and loving wife"
You mean loving husband? Lol
Well i prefer Junao than morgal both at np1 in zerker but still a great list
No one can beat Chen gong
S Tier: Oda Nobunaga 🤯
A-F Tier: everyone else
42:35 cake literally
how would you compare Quetz and Ozzy if Quetz'd also get a similar NP Buff?
It's really been a d*ck move how DW buffed both Quetz' and Ozzy's charisma at the same time and then just buffed only Ozzy's NP later on. Especially considering all their overall similarities.
I still think Achilles is better than either
The fact that her OC is a burn effect is really bad for her play style. She does great damage and her crits are intense so if her NP gave herself some wild crit damage or a star absorb she would be more competitive. It's a damn shame because she's such a good character.
@@klidge yea, tbh i'm pretty disappointed how they treat DoT effects. when stuff like a 300HPx10Turns burn exist and they could have easily fixed it in Cu Caster's case. Imo they should just undo all the increase DoT dmg effects amd make the DoTs scale with the dmg of the attack/NP. like having a "Burn for 3-5% of dmg dealt over 5 turns" which makes it essentially a 15-25% dmg increase and thus comparable to something like a +30-90% NP dmg on Musashi's NP and similar (as it'd be multiplicative i'd say that'd be a fair comparison). cause a 1000HPx5Turns really doesnt do shit if the NP itself can deal easily over 1Mil dmg
tbh, she doesnt really need any more star absorption, her base weight of 204 and her 3rd skill are enough in 99% of the cases.
I'd rather wanna see some NP dmg increase or some defensive utility. Imo it'd be really nice if they'd buff her 2nd skill to just do more (seeing tricolour efficiency up and some heal/def would be awesome, it doesnt have to be raw dmg. Also, because lore-wise its INarguably THE. MOST. BROKEN. skill/authority in Fate) and/or her 3rd skill to be updated (3turn effects or 100% would be fair tbh). It just sucks to see how ideally she'd get multiple smaller buffs to her skills (and she also really deserves that +200% base NP modifier imo) but sadly DW doesn't do "split buffs" (yet).
i dont think she has to be broken (even if she'd probably deserve it more than some others) but i'd love to have her kit be more interesting and gun to play, but not such a pure raw dmg oriented skillset (while others get crazier dmg buffs AND more defensive options, which she lacks completely)
@@harrya9458 ok u'd have to explain that.. Achilles hits like a wet noodle and all he got is a Taunt/Invincible combo while people like Mash, Jeanne etc exist...
@@andreas_rr in my experience, he definitely doesn’t hit like a wet noodle. He can dish out decent and somewhat consistent crit damage with his quick cards and first skill, and his NP definitely helps that. He also has decent consistency with said NP because of his third skill. I feel Achilles is especially good at what he does, instead of being a support/DPS bybrid, and I guess I might be a little biased with that one because I like his character, I also only play on NA so I haven’t experienced the other two’s buffs. Idk, maybe I’m playing wrong, because I found Achilles better at dealing consistent damage than Ozy or Quetz
i thank you to the person who added me that has np 5 morgan with 19k+ atk, you made me clear fgo jp so much easier than i anticipated
My boy Ozy getting the top spot! Also poor Gramps got outdone by a bunny.
Melusine is cool and all but Romulus is a chad
My only problem with him is that atrocious star generation rate, mostly because of just one quick card. Can be easily fixed by supports tho.
Mixing Melsuline with Yang Gufei and Caster Liz: Burn Profit
I'll still say Merlin is the real #1 unit this game has to offer. Dude trivialized so much stuff that the devs changed the mechanics of the game to counter him, and even today he's still a very powerful contender. He is also still the only unit to permanently contribute even if he isn't doing anything in a specific turn because of his NP.
it sucks
ive been playing for 6 years and as of now, still merlin-less
Got Merlin myself a few days ago from the start dash banner. I didn't have any of the servants from that banner so I was pleasantly surprised when he showed up.@@tsurugi5
@@tsurugi5Merlin is coming next week
Kinda think Summer BB deserved at least honorable mention. There is no other servant that will let you 3 turn with face cards. And for servants like Super Orion, that let's you play them "solo" for those turns.
Her NP is helpful for having NP drain for CQ, and can still be enough to clear a first wave.
Also, it just really bothered me that you picked 2 Alter Egos, and no Avengers or Moon Cancer. XD
Otherwise, interesting list. 👍
Problem is that she's not practical at all, and that using her makes you unable to bring more actual damage buffets and make you unable to run Gong buffstacking
@@Founder_of_Morgans_Fanclub I wouldn't say "not practical". She's niche to be sure, so just an honorable mention.
Servants like Orion can get more from stacking their on-attack buffs for 3 turns and the 3 turns of guaranteed brave chains.
Or servants who get buffs from their NP can also loop with post-NP crit chains and start snowballing, like Kama.
@@xanaviii problem with BB is that her teams make you unable to bring more buffers so the damage can take a hit, limit you from uskng Chen God, are easy to disrupt because faceless moon gets negated if a team member dies and a few other things. She's also pretty uninpressive as a dps unfortunately because her damage is pretty low.
Now, Douman+BB and Gogh as a team... Now that is scary
@@Founder_of_Morgans_Fanclub you're not wrong, I'm just implying some set ups don't *need* another buffer or Chen Gong. If you're only NP looping, yeah, BB is not the choice. But for crit set ups, I'd argue making your DPS have the same brave chain 3x is pretty invaluable.
Haha, yeah, Douman BB Gogh sounds pretty nutty.
It’s sad almost all of these were JP only. Could you please do an NA version because this list probably being obsolete when these characters are real eased on na, this list is obsolete now for those on na as we can’t use them so 95% of this info is kinda useless.
Love your vids 😊❤️
Almost all alternatives in the final list are on NA, though.
@@thejudge1728 that’s fair, but an in depth explanation like the ones they have at the top of each would be amazing
40:59 did you forget that skill 3 give invulnerability? its even at 5 turn cooldown which is far better than most hard survival skill
its hard to take farming into account when ranking servants for me. 3 turn looping is really cool and all, but ST np's will mostly be better for story and cq content. i think it comes down to if you rank farming or difficult content as being the main factor
Never really worried about tiers because the servants you get are completely random.
I know have to decide who to special summon.
I love how Oberon won by default...
You didn’t have to bully Izumo no Okuni like that.
I want her to be the best, but alas
I want muramasa for so many reasons one its a shirou face, two he is extremely powerful, and three he also has the sword muramasa and dat is cool
Honestly who needs a Muramasa or SHO when you have a lvl 100 Gilles
Ha...haha...
Buster memes are eternal
1:58 imagine that with the new rainbow chain they are coming out with...now add on crit stars and other buffs...wow
I love watching your content. Always very informative and fun.
Great video as always!
For real, I think super Orion it's over lancer types you said .
Man it does suck that some of this stuff you have to really wait for with the newer servants but thank God I'm a super saver
No Van Gogh? Heresy
If this video was made after Tiamama I can swear she would be among the extra classes.
as well as Summer Ibuki for Berserkers
Good list. I appreciate the restriction of top by class here to make it more interesting than just listing 10 supports.
The one I would debate the most is Muramasa. In comparison to what I'd consider the big 4 of Saber AoEs (Artoria, Ibuki, Chibitan, and Muramasa), I feel as if arts supports have really inflated his reputation and cover his biggest weaknesses so well (being all about one turn and lacking survivability) that I think he has been rather overhyped. Though to be fair, this applies to about every arts looper. Also, a lot of the more powerful Muramasas you can borrow on JP are NP2+ which mislead people as to what they will probably have if they summon him.. Not having my own Castoria, I've found him somewhat underwhelming when borrowing one. In particular, I don't think he scales to 90+ node setups well because he has the "Dantes problem" of needing to save his steroid for wave 3.
Oddly enough, if we're not taking into account having optimal support setups, I kind of think Summer Chibitan is the sleeping giant of the big 4 and might be my pick (though IMO the right pick is Ibuki who has the best compromise of what the other three offer). It's just Quick lags behind arts/buster right now, and I think she got lost a bit in the hype around Summer Kama on release. But her kit is kind of bonkers with everything operating over 3 turns save star absorb, her NP having the ever useful defense buff strip, having a very good survivability skill, and having bonkers NP gain. Basically, if Caster Artoria was a Quick Support, Chibitan would have Muramasa's rep or better IMO.
Next year is going to be nuts. So many utterly busted servants coming out. Though not to disregard the hype of Castoria in a few months.
Awesome video!
Alright, thats it.
Im rolling for Muramasa
Great video but the archer and Lancer hit me because I didn't get orion and melusine I'm so salty about orion because I spent all my sq and ticket to orion and hate it. Also gud thing that the assassin is not kama because for me kama is kinda over rated and loved koyanskaya real much. I might go with castoria and murama if I could get them but my main focus as of right now is romulus quirinus.
Also I'm salty with bazett but still love her
Merlin is somehow simultaneous over and under rated.
People think Koyanskaya powercrept him (She didn't, as he's still got his defensive support niche)
People think he's THE strongest support (He isn't, he lacks the 50% charge that most other supporters)
-Someone who owns the Wick Dizard and Evil Tamface
Oh yeah they play completely different roles, but just both happen to be buster supports. I love Merlin for being able to eternal stall with mash
@@klidge I like him because he spooked me as a noob, and for that I'm grateful
Sidenote though I largely agree with your list, I'd argue you vastly underestimated Godjuna, he can Solo through sheer damage alone, Similar note for Taira as she can Solo the Nerofest rerun's finale due to her mix of survivability and damage.
Last note Ozy hits like a truck I'm confused how/why you'd say otherwise, He has 60% Attack up for 3T using his Skills and if you lead with his NP, it reduces defense by 20%
@@aredjayc2858 How could Merlin ever spook you when Merlin is a limited servant that only appears on rate up banners and GSSR.
@@dstreetz91 I was a noob at the time so I was just throwing SQ around without a "target" in mind
So he wasn't exactly a spook per se
"Ozymandias's NP doesn't hit particularly hard."
*Watches him one shot several Demon God Pillars*
Right...
I will agree about Mordred though.
12:55 I love you sense of humor lol
I would argue against Koyanskaya of Light. Based on the parameters of what you're talking about, only 5* NP1 10/10/10, then Koyanskaya's abilities would fall a bit short. Yes, there are other Buster characters she can buff and if you can get a second Koyanskaya from a friend, you've got some serious uptime. But Gramps has the staying power. 1 Gramps at 10/10/10 with pick your poison of supports is going to hold out better
Now for unapologetic servant Waifu Wars video
The top two Casters, I have both. Waver was actually my first ever 5 star.
Coming back after all this time, I don't have Morgan, or Bazzet... so far.
Castoria give anti purge defense
Amakusa : "Really?"
Interesting lost and I can understand why you like these ones but I'm not sure if I agree. But then it might just bey own bias or hate for some characters.
"Reines needs some work"
If we are talking independent servants, particulary for saber STs. okita tops the chart. Skadi is good but sometimes it feels like other chars are getting in the way. Her cards are just too good. 31 stars on a B QQ chain? Like for real? The dmg on her np + the 3 turn 30 debuff that gives have an attack boost for those turns.
Insane Np gen etc etc. But l guess STs will always be ignored in favor of AOEs
castoria pls come home only 3-4 more months of waiting
Time stamp for long and categories videos please
I'm gonna need some advice from yins here, Do I go for Muramasa on new years?
Context is needed here. I got Dioscuri as collateral trying a few sq for Sigurd, just cause, and those two do the same thing as Muramasa, but slightly worse, but they have a single target that does more (just bc it's a single target). So I'm kinda stuck because Muramasa is barely gonna come up in the future, just in lucky bags, and new years again.
I need advice from you people who have more experience than me, my "senpai's" if you might
Muramasa is worth rolling for regardless of the twins. They technically do the same role but Muramasa does it significantly better. Like how fumma and jack are both star generators but Jack does so much more if that makes sense
@@klidge I get it,I think I'll end up doing it anyways, yeah I'll just do it, why not, it's a gacha game
Not even an honourable mention for Gilgamesh? Sure his kit is showing its age, but everyone should still behold Enuma Elish.
I am very bias, but Spistar has to be any list of top servants. She tears through every fight in the game.
Space Slave needs at least another top tier support (of your own, since you need another one from a friend) in order to loop. He said it at the start of the vídeo that is not based on Double systems
Can't agree more with this top
The power creep is real. So many of these are jp only still. Buffs cant keep up I guess
My boi ivan got a buff and doesn't even get a honorable mention? Feels bad man
Why would he? He just got a battery for his skill, he wouldn't have beat out Renies
@@ceobe108 Reines is a bit of a strange comparison, totally differend type of unit.
As for why he's good, it's high damage, high uptimes, amazing NP gain, star gain on the side, invincibility, debuff clear, buff clear... He has a lot and his main weakness was the lack of battery. Which he has now.
At least in tough CQs where you face multiple enemies he really shines
My personal list:
Saber-artoria
Archer-gilgamesh
Lancer-melusine
Rider-ozymandias
Caster-merlin
Assassin-king hassan
Berserker- arjuna alter
Extra-space ishtar
Any servant you have that you havent spent money on is the best servant.
Let me explain
I'm lying to you
Sorry Crane
"buserkers are my favoret becuse, me brain small, me like hit big enemy with red card!" 🤣 best quote of the video.
Best Servants for Solo tier list when please?
memelin may have changed the game but castoria refined it
1 I have and 9 I don't think I care enough to roll for.