Trust me when I say this - We would LOVE to. The main hurdle is cost. Finding a well documented, low mileage car that would be fit for emissions testing is near impossible as they are all upwards of 20 years old at this point. I can't (and won't) say it will never happen, but the business case becomes increasingly more difficult the older the cars get. - Marshall@COBB
@@cobbtuning my 2007 STi is around 80k miles, clean, and only lightly modified. What kind of documentation is needed? Does it have to be on the original engine, or is a replacement fine?
Lance tuned my Sti many moons ago. He wasn't perfect but that tune allowed me to beat on that car with elevated power levels for years without worry. When i finally pulled the engine at 90k the engine itself was still in great shape. Just started getting oil leaks. I am very grateful. He certainly knows what he is doing and we should absolutely listen to him.
Lance said he is an advocate of nextgen support for 04-07 STI, then he corrected that to 05-07 STI. Is there some difference in 04 vs 05, where 04 is not possible?
What I dont understand, is why they don't market the old flex fuel kits as for "Off road use ONLY". Then push out reminders to the customers that the mod is not EPA street legal, so it should be used at their own risk. I dont know how much legal pressure Cobb was dealing with from the EPA, but the government should not have the right to tell a aftermarket perfomance car part company what they can and cannot sell.
THEYVE EXPLAINED THIS IN PODCASTS OVER AT IAG.. THE STUFF THAT IS LABELED "FOR OFF ROAD USE" IS A HUGE RED FLAG FOR THE EPA AND THEY STATED THAT THE "OFF ROAD USE ONLY " HAS ZERO LEGAL PROTECTION IN TODAYS EPA ENVIROMENT AND SIMPLY WOULD EQUATE TO HUGE FINES FROM THE CORRUPT GOVERNING BODY.
@@DivadD The Supreme Court Struck down Chevron only congress can make laws and the executive branch goons EPA, ....ect cannot make internal rules as laws.
Awesome video!!! I am learning lots. A related question of ethanol fuel system and the COBB hardware and software; can your gear and software be set up to regulate when an ethanol+water injection system is set to off, on, and then turns off again? I have heard from a few sources that driving very short distances, say between 0 to 10 minutes, with either E30-85 or ethanol+water active from a cold start can cause a black gel like sludge of deposits to build up in the engine and cause major problems. So to clarify, can the COBB hardware and software be set up to engage the use of ethanol+water (in the intake manifold or charge cooler) after a few minutes of initial driving after cold start, when the engine has had a chance to warm up, and then alternatively be manually selected to turn off whenever the driver wants to? Can an existing engine temperature sensor on the car (or added sensor) be used to trigger the start of ethanol+water use when the ECU knows that the temperature is in the correct window for optimal use?
They aren't talking about supplemental fuel injection in this video. They're talking about filling your tank with E85 at the pump instead of gasoline and having that go through the regular fuel system.
@MR__JUSTIN thank you. I understand their presentation and what you wrote. I am asking about alternative uses of their Cobb gear for a different application using water-ethanol. I will contact them directly, no worries.
I understand the why they hand to do it; with the whole EPA thing and all but what I find reprehensible is that they knew well before selling the flex fuel kits on the GDs that they were going to do what they did. They sold the kits anyways, and then they said, "sorry, all sales are final" No refunds. That is not an EPA thing, that is a responsibility that a well-established company that the community loves and trusts has a mandate to abide to and that is why I cannot support this company. If you are a consumer, willing to spend hundreds of dollars (which in this economy is crazy expensive) and know that you do not have a guarantee that you will neither get your product or unbeknownst to you it will become obsolete with no way of getting your money back you would think twice about supporting such a company. No company should be allowed to get away with that; not airlines, hotels, or simple aftermarket third party goods. Make a statement with who you patronize with your business and I, for one, will not be supporting COBB in any way.
@@fredastaire6156 flex fuel kits hadn't been "In stock" for upwards of ~2 months (depending on the kit) before we stopped sale. We then proceeded to offer buy-backs on new-in-box kits and even refunded used kits for well over a year. - Marshall@COBB
@@FlatironsTuning I got to that part of the podcast just as I saw your comment haha. Thanks! I hope they get approval soon. As soon as they do, I'm buying.
It’s like what Jon said…. Cobb HAD TO rip off the bandaid and make necessary changes to the business model. Now that it’s been a couple years since the redirect, I drive much more at peace knowing my tunes/setup are compliant… especially here in CA
Just go open source like the rest of us normal people. Forget Cobb MerpMod and similar mods available to utilize most of the advanced functionalities we all know and love with Accessports.
Bring back flex for 04+ STI’s. I’ll buy it. Kudos for getting Cobb on the channel Jon.
Trust me when I say this - We would LOVE to. The main hurdle is cost. Finding a well documented, low mileage car that would be fit for emissions testing is near impossible as they are all upwards of 20 years old at this point. I can't (and won't) say it will never happen, but the business case becomes increasingly more difficult the older the cars get. - Marshall@COBB
@@cobbtuning my 2007 STi is around 80k miles, clean, and only lightly modified. What kind of documentation is needed? Does it have to be on the original engine, or is a replacement fine?
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for flex fuel Cobb. Will there be a OTS map for Nexgen stage 2 + redline + flex fuel and can we please have our J-pipe back? VA-WRX
Lance tuned my Sti many moons ago. He wasn't perfect but that tune allowed me to beat on that car with elevated power levels for years without worry. When i finally pulled the engine at 90k the engine itself was still in great shape. Just started getting oil leaks. I am very grateful. He certainly knows what he is doing and we should absolutely listen to him.
Thanks very much for watching and the great comment.
Stay Tuned!
Lance said he is an advocate of nextgen support for 04-07 STI, then he corrected that to 05-07 STI. Is there some difference in 04 vs 05, where 04 is not possible?
What I dont understand, is why they don't market the old flex fuel kits as for "Off road use ONLY". Then push out reminders to the customers that the mod is not EPA street legal, so it should be used at their own risk. I dont know how much legal pressure Cobb was dealing with from the EPA, but the government should not have the right to tell a aftermarket perfomance car part company what they can and cannot sell.
THEYVE EXPLAINED THIS IN PODCASTS OVER AT IAG.. THE STUFF THAT IS LABELED "FOR OFF ROAD USE" IS A HUGE RED FLAG FOR THE EPA AND THEY STATED THAT THE "OFF ROAD USE ONLY " HAS ZERO LEGAL PROTECTION IN TODAYS EPA ENVIROMENT AND SIMPLY WOULD EQUATE TO HUGE FINES FROM THE CORRUPT GOVERNING BODY.
Your answer is at 45:15
@@DivadD The Supreme Court Struck down Chevron only congress can make laws and the executive branch goons EPA, ....ect cannot make internal rules as laws.
Yup @@markmata389 I wonder how much this will change things... Maybe get some features like FlexFuel on GD back
Awesome video!!! I am learning lots. A related question of ethanol fuel system and the COBB hardware and software; can your gear and software be set up to regulate when an ethanol+water injection system is set to off, on, and then turns off again? I have heard from a few sources that driving very short distances, say between 0 to 10 minutes, with either E30-85 or ethanol+water active from a cold start can cause a black gel like sludge of deposits to build up in the engine and cause major problems. So to clarify, can the COBB hardware and software be set up to engage the use of ethanol+water (in the intake manifold or charge cooler) after a few minutes of initial driving after cold start, when the engine has had a chance to warm up, and then alternatively be manually selected to turn off whenever the driver wants to? Can an existing engine temperature sensor on the car (or added sensor) be used to trigger the start of ethanol+water use when the ECU knows that the temperature is in the correct window for optimal use?
They aren't talking about supplemental fuel injection in this video. They're talking about filling your tank with E85 at the pump instead of gasoline and having that go through the regular fuel system.
@MR__JUSTIN thank you. I understand their presentation and what you wrote. I am asking about alternative uses of their Cobb gear for a different application using water-ethanol. I will contact them directly, no worries.
Personally I understood the pulling off of the band aid, but the way they went about it was like spraying it with alcohol.
I understand the why they hand to do it; with the whole EPA thing and all but what I find reprehensible is that they knew well before selling the flex fuel kits on the GDs that they were going to do what they did. They sold the kits anyways, and then they said, "sorry, all sales are final" No refunds.
That is not an EPA thing, that is a responsibility that a well-established company that the community loves and trusts has a mandate to abide to and that is why I cannot support this company. If you are a consumer, willing to spend hundreds of dollars (which in this economy is crazy expensive) and know that you do not have a guarantee that you will neither get your product or unbeknownst to you it will become obsolete with no way of getting your money back you would think twice about supporting such a company. No company should be allowed to get away with that; not airlines, hotels, or simple aftermarket third party goods.
Make a statement with who you patronize with your business and I, for one, will not be supporting COBB in any way.
Funny because I got a full refund on my flex fuel kit for my GD.
@@fredastaire6156 we offered full refunds on both new in box and even used Flex Fuel kits for over a year.
@@fredastaire6156 flex fuel kits hadn't been "In stock" for upwards of ~2 months (depending on the kit) before we stopped sale. We then proceeded to offer buy-backs on new-in-box kits and even refunded used kits for well over a year. - Marshall@COBB
Do they say if CARB approval is coming soon?
Thanks for your question. Yes, we specifically talk about this here:
ruclips.net/video/Qtl3EtfIGZU/видео.htmlsi=6DCk1a2KXv-FhIrT&t=3158
Stay Tuned!
so the answer is yes, but actually no
lmfao
carb is such a racket
@@FlatironsTuning I got to that part of the podcast just as I saw your comment haha. Thanks! I hope they get approval soon. As soon as they do, I'm buying.
Couple of handsome gents
GD drivers lookin' like 👀👀👀
followed by: ☹😭 (GD Forester here)
You can build a better setup for a fraction of this cost. It's nice having plug and play stuff though. Not at all worth the money😢
How
We will never forget what you did to your customer base when yall folded to the EPA. Never will I buy another Cobb product
WHAT DID THEY DO TO THEIR CUSTOMERS ?? YOU EXTREMELY JADED..WHAT GIVES ?
You’re dense
It’s like what Jon said…. Cobb HAD TO rip off the bandaid and make necessary changes to the business model. Now that it’s been a couple years since the redirect, I drive much more at peace knowing my tunes/setup are compliant… especially here in CA
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Cobb should have never bent the knee to the EPA
My 2005 LGT disliked that.
Just go open source like the rest of us normal people. Forget Cobb
MerpMod and similar mods available to utilize most of the advanced functionalities we all know and love with Accessports.
In Cobb we trust! 🩵✨ pls L & S 🫡
Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!