Red Bull CAUGHT HIDING RB20 Braking Trick!!! - FIA Ban the System | F1 2024
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- Red Bull CAUGHT HIDING RB20 Braking Trick!!! - FIA Ban the System | F1 2024
After the final race before the summer shutdown this past Sunday morning, news has begun circulating that the fia have released their latest 2024 technical regulations for the season. And this could explain why Red Bull have lost the competitive advantage they had at the start of the season becuase they have been hiding a secret RB20 "trick" that has potentially been on the car since the start of the season.
It could also explain where their superior race pace has vanished too over the course of the season regardless of all the other teams catching up in terms of development. What do you guys think? Let me know...
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Irony strikes back. Red Bull accused McLaren of cheating with the brakes, and now they’re getting axed in the same area.
it is not irony .. it is hypocrisy
@@salsanistait’s both!
Now we know why RB have been exceptionally quick in corners for years, they have been using vector steering...
They have been terrible in slow speed corners….
Also on Checo's or only on Max's?
@@Chyeahokay Think you're mistaking Indycar with F1 mate, RB have been better than everyone else in corners for years... it is regularly mentioned in the commentary...
@@mrwpg Fast/medium/slow corners - there's a difference. In the current regulations, RB has been struggling in slow corners but flying in medium/fast corners due to superior aerodynamics.
@@eTengu They were until 3 or 4 races ago the fastes in most corners, fact... stated by commentary, proven by stats and results, hence the RB domination, corners are where the race is won or lost... it's about average speed not min/max, maths and physics clearly not atrtended in school...
This explains the two brake fires and the crazy corner performance.
Three fires, the first was at Bahrain '22.
I find that people seem to confuse cheating with exploiting loopholes. There is actually a clear line here. If this is a cheating violation, it means that the team did something that is prohibited by the regulations. Exploiting loopholes means that the regulations do not clearly state it, but the fact that it is not written does not mean that it cannot be done. This is the only boundary. Due to the management problems of the FIA, the updates of the regulations are always lagging behind. This directly leads to the fact that exploiting loopholes in the rules will be regarded as a kind of cheating. But I think it is more complicated. This is not the first time that Red Bull has done this. The last time Red Bull won four world championships was because of the double-layer diffuser, which was very hidden and was not discovered by other teams until a long time later. Then the FIA began to ban its use. Regarding Mercedes' DAS in 2020, there is actually no technical rule stating that the front suspension cannot be controlled in this way, so it is compliant. However, for the problem of the braking system, there is continuity in the FIA's technical regulations. After McLaren's behavior was discovered, the regulations prohibited it. Doing this secretly is actually a cheating behavior. Exploiting loopholes in the rules is not afraid of technical review, while cheating is the opposite. Cheating cannot pass technical review. Cheating will cause your grades to drop rapidly due to technical review.
Isn't this what makes F1 so good? Teams digging into the rules to find any advantage they can? People (with no evidence) want to accuse redbull of doing this yet there is absolutely no proof and the reports state that this was not implemented by teams yet. This is literally why I love F1 and not nascar where every car is the same and they do 300 laps on an oval. Also its not a loophole, that is a disingenuous way to state that a team found a legal performance advantage and only when its too good does it get banned. The FIA is no stranger to asymmetric braking which is likely why they shut it down before it happened.
@@RedHaloManiac95 The real reason for banning this technology before was that it would interfere too much with the driver. It would become less controlled by the human. This is essentially cheating, not a loophole. This is why the FIA needs to add this rule. Red Bull's strange performance advantage has shown that they are cheating. This is not the first time Red Bull has done this. They did the same with the double-layer diffuser many years ago. They don't want to pass the technical review, which cannot prove compliance.
There's a difference between innovation in the gaps and then "exploiting a loophole" where you're in the weeds of "is water wet"
If asymmetric braking is not allowed since 1998, and the result of red bull using that valve, is achieving asymmetric braking on rear wheels, then you can see why this is cheating. From my point of view, is the result that counts, and not the exact words in a certain rule.
@ilincalucian8623 red bull fan boys will cope. It's clearly cheating by any other name under the sun. They knew exactly what they were doing.
And red bull bull have dropped off the pace in the last few races? Interesting...
Not winning by 20-30sec is a down turn.
Yeah, and let's not forget that coming together with Hamilton in Hungary, where Verstappen locked up and couldn't navigate that corner. It could be he forgot he didn't have this cheat on board to help him blitz the corners.
@@chrisliddiard725 Correct, he was bitching and moaning about the breaks not working like it should in that race. The puzzles are starting to fit together.
@@chrisliddiard725 so delusional lol. Report says that teams were working on implementing a system but had not actually been implemented yet...... Keep dreaming
Reminiscent of the Ferrari engine thing a season or two ago. All of a sudden they weren't so much faster on the straights.
5 seasons. FIA revised the rules right around the same time in 2019
Wrong comparison
Ferrari 2 races - investigation - penalization.
Red bull 4/5 years-
Investigation😂?-
Penalization 😂
They won 3 championships (not counting 2024) cheating
Not even close
@@LM-sy3jc Not correct. No Penalization. Ferrai just stopped using whatever it was. So exactly same story.
remember Max exploded brake disc in the beginning of the season ?
Same race where it was super dirty on the track and another car also had a brake issue? And they found a tear off in Max's brake duct? You mean that race? Where they found the tearoff to be the culprit?
@RedHaloManiac95, you mean because Red Bull said it was from the tear off. Did you see the tear off after the brake caught on fire? But sure, let's blame it on something that can't be proved
@RedHaloManiac95 also, didn't max say that it was a stuck brake that caused the fire? So no mention of a tear off strip there either.
Yup that's why Verstappen had been crying last races for braking issues and balance with this cheat off.
This reminds me of Ferrari and the fuel flow meter . Ooooo Karma love it
That was cheating, this is not
@@Chyeahokay How do we know, speculation time bro
@@Chyeahokayyou don't know it was cheating. Is it never cheating when it involves RB?
This is Ferrari and 2019 all over again! FIA brushing cheating under the carpet! I've been saying that RedBull have been cheating for two years! I questioned their braking system and raised this with the FIA and Ben Sulayem! No response!
and who are you?
@@onlineghost9813 obviously the most important human being ever and the FIA should listen to his every word
@@onlineghost9813It's max
It’s not cheating, they came up with a system that wasn’t apart of the rules. Then the fia banned it. Similar to DAS. Stop the hate on redbull, and the whining.
Lets face is Ferrari IS F1 and has always been. Tecnologically someone must get a Big brainwave😢
great video buddy! honestly it's awesome to see a small creator be ahead of the big ones with things like this! super wicked buddy! keep it going!
The brake system for mclaren was in 98 from what i remember. It was a third pedal.
Yes, it was the used for the last few races in 97 & was banned in 98
@@chrisyalden thanks
In 1997, when mclaren came up with the 3rd pedal it was an innovation and only later on it was banned. Thus, mclaren did not cheat. FIA current regulations already forbade asymmetrical breaking. The updated text only serves to emphasize this existing rule for those who 'somehow failed' to interpret it correctly: Article 11.1.2: “The brake system must be designed so that within each circuit, the forces applied to the brake pads are the same magnitude and act as opposing pairs on a given brake disc." Added sentence: “Any system or mechanism which can produce systematically or intentionally, asymmetric braking torques for a given axle is forbidden.” Any team using an asymmetrical breake system would have known that it was not permitted to do so. If Red Bull were told to remove such system from their car, a significant drop in speed would be expected. Such drop would certainly bring the rest of the field into play. Antonio Lobato posted on July 20th about FIA finding illegal parts on Red Bull's car and telling them to remove them. Last year, there was a lot of talk about Red Bull's breaking advantage. It will be interesting to see if Red Bull is still able to show a speed advantage after returning from the summer hiatus.
@@F1RacingFanunlikely (hopefully) as also, front wing testing procedures have been modified too.
And suddenly, Newey resigned & RBR lose 23 seconds of advantage per race. And we see the return of angry, petulant CrashStappen!
Red Bull with their "usual" behaviour
Ferrari? Mercedes? McLaren have all done these sorts of things and its not cheating its not barred by the rules and the FIA only steps in when its a major advantage. Plus youre forgetting the part that this dude doesn't mention which is that reports state it has not been implemented yet but was being worked on by teams.
Caught red handed, thats why they are fleeing the sinking boat.
Yep...like rats...lol!!
SO WHERE DID IT SAY ITS REDBULL IT COULD BE ANYONE YOU ARE DRAWING CONCLUSIONS WITHOUT EVIDENCE
@@TYREMARTMILNERTON but who's lost all the pace, that previously was there???!!!
@@Ammon6not red bull.. The teams have caught up
This would explain a lot about why Perez is struggling so much without improvement. Whatever system they’re using is very hard to adapt to and only Max is up to speed with it. And now it’s gone, it makes driving very hard.
Or maybe it’s only available on one car which explains the gap between max and Perez
Congrats on your 5K subs !!
F1 aka the historical loophole racing series - for years that’s what made f1 so great .
Indeed, though there are the cunning loopholes where the rules have actually missed something or really left room for interpretation to which everyone can applaud the teams cunning. When the politics and drama that goes with them are amusing and very public are the ones that makes the series great. And then the more overt cheating styles, which unfortunately of late don't seem to get revealed very much. The ones when it seems there is no doubt what the rules actually mean and that they have been broken but the team does it anyway hoping not to get caught or finds a lawyer to argue this is in the grey area and get away with it.
With RB's behaviour around the Budget cap being or the rather remarkable drop off in Ferrari engine performance a few years before that being some of the more recent highly dubious team behaviours - in part because there isn't really transparency. Where perhaps the most cunning loophole I can think of being the F-duct - no moveable aero in that era, but you can't ban the driver from moving and at no point was the driver considered part of the car - all out in the open, leading to a solid debate, as its clearly debatable to the spirit of the rules but very cunningly in a grey area. IIRC rather similar situation with those aerodynamic wheel covers that IIRC where a Ferrari idea where the rules where just open enough to make it valid wheeze, but pretty clearly tweaking the spirit of the rules from what I remember.
Sad that new fans don’t understand this. I don’t think f1 is the sport for them…
All teams find gray areas to exploit , so if the FIA have to update their regulations because a team has implemented something that goes against the spirit of the regulation it is not cheating. But a team does take a risk that it can be banned during a season or like for flexible wings a different test is introduced. Your "proof" with the gap differences between the win in Bahrain and Spain is not perse showing Red Bull already removed something from their car which made them slower. If you compare the qualifying time from both these races to 2023 then in Bahrain Verstappen was about 0.5 seconds faster in 2024 and in Spain has pole time in 2024 was 0.9 faster then 2023. I did not check tire compounds last year to this year. But these qualifying laps does not tell me Red Bull has slowed down in Spain. Mclaren was 0.5 sec behind in Bahrain 2024 and Norris was on pole in Spain 2024. So they clearly have made a huge step this season. Let's see what happens from Zandvoort and onwards then.
good content as always , I think a better title would be : "Unprecedented changes in 2024 regulations ! Did the FIA catch Redbull CHEATING?!!"
I would not have watched had it had that title
@@davidpaton7198 same 😂😂
Which is total BS, considering the FIA approved the car at the start of the season and before every single race.
@@davidpaton7198true I wouldnt have bothered to watch. We need saucy headlines
The McLaren's look better than the RBs in high-speed corners.
Welcome to Karma Redbull and Max!
@@commentator3837 oh they have karma coming alright!
@@TheExtraordinaryEverydayLifeno
@@commentator3837 exactly
@@commentator3837 yeah great
Happy for Max!
I hope it is redbull and not Mercedes or McLaren that is affected by this
Ofc u do, why wouldn’t you. Blinded by hate…
@@sammoore3687it’s hard not to hate Red Bull… involved in every scandal in f1 for the last 4 years.
Redbull always have been Cheating beating Hamilton
Clearly. That's why it's always been Newey/the car, NOT "Max is the greatest racer ever" - FASTEST CAR EVER!!
The thing is the FIA sanctioned their cheats under the old regs, so that RB must have thought they had cart blanc to do whatever the hell they wanted. We've seen the FIA retrospectively Disqualify teams, but i doubt they'll do anything about this apparent 'loophole'. All they'll say is that they've closed it now in the interest of the sport. Too little, too late.
Yeah, yeah and pigs can fly.
Just like Mercedes cheating to get Lewis all those wins
Mate I learn so much from your videos! Keep it up 👏
Thanks. I've been wondering which exploits Red Bull have been using over the past few seasons which have been giving them such clear advantages over other teams. To be fair, all race engineers are tasked with finding ways to work around the rules. But since this method was banned in 1997 when McLaren were found to be using it, this is effectively a breach of the rules.
The sudden reduction in Red Bull performance several races ago had me thinking that they had been caught doing something fishy, and asking, 'What was it?'. Your video has answered that question.
Really like your technical videos.
Oh my, it might just be the opposite: Maybe it is McLaren and/or Mercedes that will be affected... We'll find out in the Dutch and following GP's.
The real trend was RB And Ferrari dropping or staying put, while McLaren and Mercedes made big leaps
Unlikely as the RB has gone from massively faster than the Ferrari to beating them, perhaps, even probably but no longer with such astounding certainty the way they were at the start of the season. While the Mercs and McLaren have taken a relatively plausible step forward vs the Ferrari - the sort of ebb and flow the development race can bring when Ferrari hit some trouble with their latest upgrade. It isn't impossible you are correct of course, without some actual transparency from the FIA we may never know. But it does seem like many a rat is leaving the sinking the RB ship, which is suggestive, as is the rather implausible fact Perez is still with the team after such a long string of woeful performances...
If they were caught doing it and is not being penalized for it,
then most likely that it is not cheating (technically),
more like exploiting a loophole in the regulations that goes against the spirit of the rules.
and that's why FIA 's resolution is restricted to revising the rule to ensure the loophole is determinately close.
I mean if this is cheating, other teams would have been breathing down their necks along time ago.
All top teams have systems in the gray area… not cheating. Just borderline
I agree and also I saw a video where this person. Was talking to Adrian newey and saying how he can find loopholes in the regulations which makes him so good and newey agreed
Did you see teams breathing down Ferraris neck in 2019? Life just went on. Same will happen here. If they used this without declaring, then it is likely cheating. We’ll know more soon.
We will only find out if the FIA are every transparent about what prompted this rewrite, or RB reveal why their performance has gone from superb to pretty terrible - neither of which is likely. In this case sure the other teams have brought updates and improved, but not improved enough to go from as far back as they where at race 1 to now looking like at least 2 teams every weekend are as fast or faster than the RB.. That is more like 2-3 years worth of car improvement...
So to me having to issue this rewrite with so little transparency says they probably were more blatantly cheating, as compared to the openness the F-Duct or the aero on the wheel hubs had in years gone by. So as it would be bad for the sport's image to throw out the golden boy and current championship leader, or at least eradicate his points hall as he technically should be DQ'd from all the previous races this system was on his car... It may well be this rewrite is nothing more than a theatre performance really, a little distraction to explain the change in performance without ever having to reveal the truth. The lack of transparency on this or the Ferrari engines from a few years back really does kill the credibility that they were not blatantly cheating and effectively getting away with it....
@@vikashchandra9917
I guess you didn't watch the sport back then, because
I remember Toto already raising concerns about Ferrari's anomalous performance gain even as early as 2018 (though he didn't file a formal complaint because they don't have sufficient evidence to back it up)
After FIA finished their investigations and find inconclusive evidence of an actual cheating, (and subsequently made a secret settlement with Ferrari),
all teams (except for Ferrari engine users name: Haas, Alfa Romeo, and Ferrari) wrote a confidential letter to FIA to disclose the details of the settlement.
Max Verstappen point blank publicly accused Ferrari of cheating which Binotto vehemently denied.
Even though FIA failed to prove conclusively that a cheating occured, Ferrari-engine users were forced to use less fuel in 2020 as a penalty.
Does nobody in the comments understand that exploiting loopholes is not cheating? Now that the rules are clarified further, if it happens again it would be cheating.
There is a written rules against it.
depends on how you look at it, they banned system back in 97 so doing a system like it now you could argue is against the spirit of the rule.
You mean like spending over the budget and blaming catering😂
It's only cheating if Ferrari exploit loopholes. If a British team does it, it's smart and tuff luck if the other teams didn't think of it
Redbull is winning too much, we need to make a rule change to slow them down asap.
So Redbull is now fighting 10 teams
I'm reminded of drs and mercedes. odd
@@cecilepuckhaber1067 hello poes
The reason FIA is doing it like this is obvious - RBR is getting another "break". Because if FIA came out and told everyone that RBR had been doing this, there would have to be repricussions, and that would endanger their precious Maxipad...just sickening. So just stick it in the rules right in the break...yeah, it's bad.
Proves they have been cheating since 21 and these regulations were aimed at helping them all along
@@KopJustinJesus m8 it was 3 years ago it's time to move on.
@@kinsellakp or time to stand up for justice...and integrity.
FiA changed the testing methodology on the front wing too!! Guess which team suddenly loses 23 seconds/lap advantage... And Newey resigns...
@@KopJustin it first has to be in the rules before anyone can break the rules and you can call it cheating. But considering your reaction you probably dont want to hear or be open to this simple fact.
It's funny because nobody has said red bull... So how do I know?
Because whilst other teams are improving RBR is going down the toilet. It’s there the car or it’s MV. Your choice.
@@andyglastonbury6032but there’s no evidence to suggest red bull have lost pace, but there is evidence to suggest mclaren and Mercedes have made huge jumps overnight
@@sammoore3687Max been complaining of understeer and “the car won’t turn” for the last 4/5 races, when previously no real mention of it.
No facts only speculation. It could be other teams that have used it (or wanted to do so) big tumbs down for me than.
Could it have been McLaren having a word with the fia, after all one of the people who would have known is ROB MARSHALL.
No it was RB telling the FIA .
@@pistoleer3572 red bull said McLaren had a hole in the cake tin for better cooling. The hole was allowed for a sensor to be inserted in Friday practice and covered up for qualifying and the race. The fia investigation found nothing wrong and McLaren pace hasn’t changed. It had nothing to do with asymmetrical braking. Red bull on the other hand won the first couple of races at a canter, then all of a sudden their pace has been the same as other cars.
I think it’s McLaren
Nope it’s redbull
@@louisbeerreviews8964u got proof??
F1 is not about who is the best driver, we all know this its about who builds the best car, money and power having major influence. Id love to see EVERY F1 driver competing in Formula Mazda. Then we would see who is best.
It'd be Hamilton
@@Dismiacs lol yeah a 39 year old is best 🤣 maybe 10 years ago.
@@Dismiacs No, it would not be Hamilton. He can only win if his car is the best that day/season. He he's only won a handful of races with lesser cars since 2008. And he sure has not been beating others much with equal cars to his own since 2008 also. And that does includes his own teammate Russell. He sure hasn't shown he's better than Russel in an equal car. Don't worry, Hammy will be mid pack with Sainz for the rest of his career starting next season while Merc is top 3. Way to go! Backwards that is.
@@Chris-bz9pg he's the best on tires and rarely makes mistakes ... give him and verstapen the same car and I'm sure verstapen will out qualify him but verstapen would get out raced.... just look at verstapen composure when he was in 4...5 place started shouting at his engineer and panicking .....Hamiltons composure , tire saving and end of race pace is second to none
@@Dismiacs his composure is only good when he is in a winning car
Great video I always suspected something up with the RedBull 👍🏽
Agree with most it seems similar how Ferrari got caught with there engine oil burning 🔥 trickery
Explains why Red Bull won’t sack Sergio also. Maybe he knows to much and they don’t want this getting out. Max would automatically lose his title and it would be wide open if that happened!!!
Haven’t seen anyone else running this story…
Wonder why.... Ferrari bias?
Exactly Its just BS
That’s because you’re afraid to look. If you weren’t scared you’d look and guess what? You’d find it…
You can even do that electronically with the electric engines of the fron wheels
So how long have RB been using this ?? , does it invalidate any results? , more questions to answer me thinks
Imagine cheating and still losing.
I would assume that the FIA had a word with them after the Spanish and they haven't used it since.
I think when braking it also helped anti squat somehow maybe by pumping the suspension up
The system being baned is actually what is believed to be on the McLaren. RBs drop off has been development constraints.
Last two seasons technical directive changes and Ferrari went backwards... Let's see if this TD affects really targets RB or another team will go. Backwards 😂😂😂
Technical regulations are often updated mid-season when loopholes are found that FIA want to close.. DAS, Flexi-wings, S-duct etc etc
It’s not cheating as it’s due to the interpretation of the regulations, but FIA is well within its rights to make amendments to the technical regulations when such loopholes are found.
Clearly they haven’t let Checo in on this trick.
Hi may have been struggling with the system and as a result losing time and performance relative to Max.
No wonder they kept Perez despite his poorer performance. He knows too much to be let go.
They had a failure of the system in Australia. And you could see it in action in the wet last season on the rear wheels. Crashtappen can't win unless it's cheating or with race manipulations.
Hahahahahahahaha weak take mate very weak
@@Byronthegoonerhe's not wrong. how's verstrapon doing lately?
@@cecilepuckhaber1067 doing well if you look at checo but hey.. Im no max fan by the way just talking facts
Tf u mean we could see a pressure imbalance on breaking in the wet😂😂😂 bros just making up scenarios to push his narrative lollllll😂😂😂
@@cecilepuckhaber1067still extending his championship actually, so I’d say doing alright tbf…
Like I've been saying all along; It's not Checco's fault. It's the car.
So why is he still the same gap behind and binning it every race after the Miami Grand Prix. He’s just a terrible driver lol
Nice videos recently! Just wanted to ask if the name is copied/inspired from F1Unchained... seems a bit dirty.
Bingo- I said exactly this was what was giving RB the edge. It was completely obvious in Mexico at the end of last year.
Changing the rules mid-season is not only highly irregular, it is extremely unfair. Shame on the FIA! Didn't the FIA wait until the season's end to ban Merc's F-Duct or DAS? Honest question because I don't remember. But unless Red Bull have broken the letter of the rules, an in-season change of technical regulations (which is absolutely HUGE) is extremely unfair and biased.
BTW the FIA approved this at the start of the season, otherwise RBR would not have been allowed to start.
@@Arsenic71 An in season change helped Red Bull just two years ago. If teams aren't following the regs and exploiting loopholes they get claimed down on. Also, it's better to get banned in season rather than before, and rather than being DSQ entirely.
They did it with wing flexibility last year too iirc.
Who knows how long it really was on the car/ took to get discovered and gave them an advantage for?
I remember DAS was allowed to the end of the year, but then it would be given Mercedes sought permission to use it before the season began, they even had to change aspects to comply. That seeking of permission is what helped them keep it all year.
@@TorqueFormulaWon Remember when the FIA decided that all cars had to run at a higher level because, except for Red Bull, the other teams didn't manage to get their cars working according to the rules? That was explicitly against Red Bull - they had done their homework and created a monster machine. So excellence is now banned and mediocrity is the rule. That is wrong as well.
And still my point remains, in-season changes to the TECHNICAL REGULATIONS are highly irregular and are, IMO, wrong. F1 has always been about finding loopholes and exploiting them, that's what makes it so great. If you don't allow teams to exploit the rules, you might as well watch Indy.
Again, anything that is not explicitly forbidden by the rules is legal.
@@Arsenic71You are conveniently forgetting that the low incline rake was made mandatory because of Red Bull lobbying. No team is a saint here.
@Arsenic71 Do you mean TD39? I remember articles that it would help red bull, so I think it's a misconception and it was about driver safety.
It depends what it is that's being exploited, things like this are a no go area. If you find a loophole, good for you, but the rules say the FIA reserve the right to amend the rules mid season. Don't be surprised these grey areas or loopholes get closed down though, depending on what it is it's a risk to take and if serious enough it's lucky they don't get banned for cheating.
Of course the rules are there to exploited, it's just a level playing field needs to remain. It really does depend exactly on what it is, people draw parallels to McLaren system so this should be a no go area. Some things teams know they shouldn't be doing, sometimes the rules as written permit it, then get updated.
@@vikashchandra9917 Sure that's true. But even the high rake wasn't introduced as a mandatory change mid-season.
Very good video, thank you!
It is still unknown who used asymmetric braking, to me it looks like Mercedes and McLaren suddenly became very fast….
Or the redbul dropped back after being told to remove it, as the rumours suggested, before the TD was released.
@@kanehatchard9190no its called diminishing returns in earo development.. Geez
@@kanehatchard9190r u restarted?
Red Bull again ofc shud be disqualify form the champoinship !!! whata JOKE
Its also worth noting that almost every wining F1 team has been caught doing sus things to win.
I believe that Redbull's yo yoing is to do with ticket sales and yes, possibly not using Adrian's 2024 designs.
C'mon! Let's get him to 5k!!!!!
Oh, and whatever happened to that ban on overly-flexing bodywork to give a team a handling advantage, which came in some years ago? (Red Bull again.) But nowadays, several teams are clearly 'letting it happen', as shown by video from the front wing cameras on F1 cars. Has the rule been removed?
I always thought it was the genius of Adrian Newley’s aero that gave RB the huge advantage in the corners, they have been cheating all this time?? Unbelievable
Great video as always
Every team is so called cheating one way or another😅
Everyone knews they been cheating for years now they got caught. And the car is alot weaker look at max now not that fast anymore
Will FIA show some initiative and fairness and retrospectively penalise the offenders? Nah... just let teams cheat for years and get away with it.
It's not cheating, just like DAS wasn't cheating. They found a loophole in the rules, they exploited it, the FIA decided to ban it.
not if it's Redbull ;-)
So there will be an asterisk after this Max title as well?
Even if true, it still really wouldn't. The fact they are issuing the regulation now means it would have been in a grey zone, much like Ferrari in 2020 I think, and Merc a few years ago. All teams try get away with whatever they can. It's not cheating if it's not against the rules.
Only according to u Hamilton glazers
@@sammoore3687 Well played, sir. You really got me!
Now we also know how they won the 2023 championship
Oh Das Right!
Interesting. The fia document I read didnt state which team or if any was using this braking method. It was making sure there was no avenue for the teams to explore. The last team to do independent braking left to right was mclaren in the late 90s with the infamous two brake pedals if I remember. It's been a while. We only found out because a camera man got a picture of it. If anyone has proof of red bull running this I will be amazed. Its more likely they are suffering from some development choices with 2026 in mind.
oh my! oh my!. RB get an instant brake stop from FIA
But only ONE of the RB cars were using the cheats
Proof?? Or u just speculating twink??
You’ve clearly ignored the most obvious explanation? That the two teams that have transformed themselves overnight recently, Mercedes and McLaren, are the teams this rule change was intended to address. Especially considering the fact that Red bull hasn’t gained any performance and RB accused McLaren of using an aero for braking advantages a few races ago.
The change doesn't address RB's accusation, though. And neither Mercedes nor McLaren's gains seem to be related to cornering.
On the other hand, we've been seeing RB suffer massively from understeering lately, to the point of Max complaining multiple times across multiple races about it.
@@EversonBernardes I don’t agree, RB’s performance hasn’t dipped, two other teams have dramatically improved. I guess we’ll see after the Summer break.
🤣
It’s RB. Other teams gains are not in cornering. Looking at Dutch gp practice today RB are struggling without the system. Not great on quali or long runs now.
What I'm hearing now is that this rule clarification has been done after Red Bull complaint targeted at McLaren. And the system itself didn't help with corner speed directly but helped with brake management.
When reading comments, it's funny how some people are quick to jump into conclusions.
Mercedes have gained 1 second in season, but they can't possibly be pushing the limits on anything yet.
It's McLaren
It’s redbull
@@louisbeerreviews8964proof?
And probably others are using it too, dont focus this on just red bull, such an easy target. EVERY team has been finding loopholes and this IS a part of F1, the best inventions are made this way. Remember the movable curtains for the ground effect downforce, the pulling of the steer for cam effect of Mercedes, Ferrari.. dont get me started, but instead of calling it cheating, OR a trick, its just creative thinking and implementation and I respect it. btw.. you really think the sudden high pace of the mclarens is without a "trick" as you call it? come on, be better than this and respect it...
There is a difference between things the rules just flat out doesn't have in them which the very cunning Mercedes steering geometry would fit into (at least to my interpretation of the rules), or are in a slightly grey area like the F-Duct where it sort of is the banned moveable aero and outright more blatant cheating in ways you expect to work - hoping you won't get caught or will get off with such a minor penalty it doesn't matter if you do...
So when a rule is amended this quietly with no transparency as what prompted it it smells very bad, even more so when the RB have dropped so meteorically from 2-3 years worth of car development ahead of everyone even if they had done nothing to improve in the early races to now being probably the #3rd best car.
McLarens step up in performance is much more plausible (impressive though it is) as they already had a car that was in the ballpark of if not the best in some types of corner, with a solid engine, good curb riding characteristics - fix the bit they really sucked at without ruining the currently good features of the car and you get a seemingly huge step forward... Obviously with no transparency it is impossible to actually know what is going on. But when one team drops like a rock and a quiet little clarification like comes out it is suggestive.
@@foldionepapyrus34412 changes, the braking TD & changes to the front wing testing methodology
So does this explain why Perez has not been dropped?
He might start talking
Subscribed & thumb 👍🏼 , nice video thank you
Also on Checo's or only on Max's?
Only on Max's of course, because RBR are deliberately sabotaging Perez's car for the obvious team advantage of...
@@Professor_Internet_PhDah yes, the multi billion dollar business that has no incentive to sabotage their driver would be sabotaging their driver…. Do u understand how restarted u sound??
@@sammoore3687 I guess the sarcasm in my post went over your head
wow wow wow, the one team that is constantly disqualified during the season and is technically most regulated because too clever inventions are getting banned, receives no attention on the matter of asymmetric braking rule clarification.
Most sports cars have this to help with traction control for years
So how long has RB been doing this? Was this a recent 'innovation/cheat' or were they doing this under the old regulations? I've heard this 'hack' is good for at least 0.5 secs per lap, although most drivers have only commented about their pace on the straight with DRS enabled. I have not heard any claims of superior cornering speeds. It would be interesting if the stats bore this out. It could be what we've attributed to better ground effect, was actually the result of this cheat. The FIA has retrospectively banned cheating cars, so this isn't done yet.
This makes me wonder, how good is this Newley design? All those RB top brass jumping ship with their reputations still intact before this con is revealed, begs the question how much of that car is legal?
Nobody even knows it was red bull ffs, why is no one looking at mclaren and Mercedes overnight jump from midfield to contenders??
They were blaming others for the same thing
Fia finally had enough of RB's domination.
Nothing surprises me about team RBR FIA
Well i'll go to the bottom of our Garden. Who would have thought Redbull ? never But does explain a lot, greatest driver ever ?? yeah
There’s no evidence to show it was any team who broke the rules, its just people jumping to conclusions to fit their agenda
Its only cheating if you get caught
Always knew Max was cheating.
Firstly, I didn’t realise max is an inertial break valve. Secondly, it isn’t cheating, it’s a loophole BIG difference lil bro, but hey. Maybe f1 isn’t the sport for u as it’s a constructors series. Perhaps you’d prefer nascar where all machinery is the same :)
@@sammoore3687 once a cheat, always a cheat!
why are people pushing the narrative that this is an exploitation rather than cheating ? i can see why FIA would like you to think that it is exploiting the rules. but i would suggest that there is more going on here. the statement which has been amended in the rules, could easily have dealt with this problem. but instead they have added an extra sentence in the rules. even though common sense says that the original rule could have dealt with it. but that would not look good for FIA because the resulting issue of fining red Bull & anyone else, would be so messy, that this is the way they have chosen to Handle it. If it walks like a duck...........
Lmao i love how people saying this is redbull with absolutely zero proof, thats shameful reporting. Most reports I have seen have indicated that one or more teams were working on the system that was yet to be implemented. I love when people make random stuff up and run with it. What seems more likely to me is McLaren and Mercedes suddenly destroying the corners while the redbull is bouncing. People fail to realize that the redbull didnt get slower, the other teams got faster.
Sure taking a lot of credit for something that is as of right now conjecture. Perhaps it was Red Bull but I doubt it was because you alerted anyone
Why can’t all tames do what the want with there cars then it would be much more interesting it all would amount to the same thing as all these stupit rules. 😊
Its all so sneaky and would explain certain teams sharing wins with drivers than rather maximize the natural no1 driver. I wouldnt b suprised that certain teams noticed that RB have been caught but f1 hadnt amended the rules thus technically leaving the door open for them to manipulate. Maclaren took a leap almost overnight. Now Mercedes. If its something RB have used to b leading the way they did but have not been punished for then its hard not to think other teams will do the same. Horner has created such an environment. F1 stops any cry's of another fraudulent season . Everyone happy for 2nd half of season. Most depressing start to the season for a f1 fan. Now its sunshine and lollipops. . It just gets more thrilling with every race.
What a whole load of yapping
Why so few people talk about the biggest robbery in F1 history?!? Are they stupid?
As a Mercedes fan this isn’t cheating! Just a team being clever and reading between the lines in the rule book, and creating engineering masterpieces. It’s part of what the sport is all about! Every other team would do that if they had the idea.
If it wasn't cheating then the FIA wouldn't be changing the article . It would have remained unchanged .
@@Megumi44-vm6fn it's not cheating if the governing body can't penalize it. Now they have changed the rules and now they may penalize teams who do not follow the rules.
It's a gray area.
@@Megumi44-vm6fn FIA changed the rules for DAS after Mercedes used it. That doesn't mean it's cheating?
@@ericamaro4120 Yeah you guys are right , I read an article about it . I was wrong .
A logical and reasonable Mercedes fan?? I thought y’all went extinct. Nice to see some of you exist still😂😂
Zero proof, 100% speculation, but let's add Red Bull in the title because some people already enjoy hatewatching anti-Red Bull content.
Relax, happens to every team. Mercedes was also in the bulls eye when they were winning, nothing new.
At least it's not some ultra low effort AI generated text/voice over, I guess that's a win
"Red Bull CAUGHT HIDING RB20 Braking Trick!!!" is it confirmed or just your speculation? Cause man tf is this title?
Remember Australia, where Max DNFs due to brake explosions . What about Miami , where he hit a bollard because he couldn't brake . What about Hungarian GP where Max Complained about Brake bias . Looks like the video title is absolutely right .
@@Megumi44-vm6fnand what about mclaren and Mercedes overnight performance gains?? We just gonna ignore those as factors lil bro?
Red Bull: Accuses literally everyone quick enough to challenge them of cheating
Also Red Bull: Been cheating for years with a special braking trick
Lol. Lmao even
Video starts at @4:55
So Fia does not do it's work efficiently 😮