I find your videos being back some memories of my father. He grew up old order Mennonite. He told me the first time he plowed by himself (about 90 years ago) with the team as a younger boy. The rows were so crooked he then got the cultivator out to cover them up. He was embarrassed of how they looked. He worked many years in a local sawmill moving logs with horses. That’s were he met my mother. He loved the Heavy horses. Bigger the better with him. As a kid I spent many Saturday mornings going to the harness shop or in the summer going to local parades with an old wagon and a team he borrowed from the neighbour. Of course he always had the bells on. I have some of the bells today yet. I think you would have gotten along well with my dad. His first buggy horse he taught to stand on his hind legs while harnessed up to the buggy. Got a picture to prove it. (Back then pictures were not an easy task)
Excellent ending,,but she was in pain,,drawing up on the stomach somewhat with first 2 nails,,,but she walked great in the end...poor baby,she's our favorite...
Your the best no advice because you know your horse her history and the whole story. Great video as usual. I am sure she will be sorted soon with the great care you give them all.
Phew, Lady is the best girl, Jim is a man of many talents, hopefully all will be well. Thank you for sharing with us and God bless you and all of the animals….and your children and Miss Brenda! From Florida with love, thank you!
We use to use a hard leather pad, and a half pad underneath. Gave good results. Also Jim, we rubbed "hoof flex every night into the coronet and heel. It really helped with growth. Didn't take long to do and sure safed a lot of time
Nice job. One thing to think about is this. Turn the old shoe over and look at the foot surface. Often the hoof has worn a grove in the metal shoe where the heels land. The heels ARE growing, but are worn away by the shoe each time the foot lands. The bar shoe may be helpful either by making the foot angle more upright, or because of the protection it provides. Bar shoes are a mystery! Also using old nail holes, so long as they are still high is fine. Use the next larger nail size.
I hope it works for her, poor girl. I know what it's like to have sore feet. On another note, if you made a recording of just the clip clop of your horses walking in the barn and wherever else, with a few neighs here and there, looping it for 8 hours, it would be an excellent "sleep tape" - better than "white noise" for city slickers who have to block out the city noises to sleep. 😴
It will work Jim because you took her pain away. Just as long no infections she should be like any animal, just fine. It’s an honour to take away from any animal, mammal the pain.
Well, I learn something new every time I come here! I never had any real money, all my life, up until the last 20 years, all my money went on feed and shoes! Very little on vet bills, the Horse God was kind to me.
More memories. My dad did shoeing on Saturdays. I was pretty young. We had a job in the summer. He did his showing beneath a sprawling elm tree. He would cut a switch with a cluster of leaves left on the end. There would be one on each side sliding the switch gently over the sides, back and legs. Horses were broke gentle like yours back then. We were controlling the flies. The horses enjoyed this and didn't stomp and struggle. Thanks for another video.
You did a good job Jim. Made my hands, arms & back hurt just watching you especially when you clinched the nails. I'm thinking you and l are close to the same age but you are way more of a man than l am! If l did the kind of work you do every day I'd be in better shape. I hope that did the trick for Lady.
Hope lady gets better real soon bad when one gets lame i think you did a good job hey i have trouble walking maybe you can shoe me up and ill walk better. Thanks jim may god bless
I think you identified the source of the problem, the high calks reduce the pressure on the frog, which reduces circulation. I hope the bar is helpful over the long run.
when you get the foot up, tap on the nail heads with your hammer. that will let you now if you have a hot nail.When I started the first nail I would tip the head back towards the heal, than ones it started I would hold the toe of the shoe even with the front toe of the hoof.That will help the shoe from sliding back. she has thin walls,I would have left the heal nails out seeing it's not muddy.They always told me just because there is five nail holes you don't have to use them all. hope she doesn't grab it with her back foot. hopefully she will be back to normal soon.Thanks
Friend of mine had a rental stable for trail rides and she used a lot of draft cross type horses as they seemed quieter. Drafts then to have a bit of a flat foot like TB's and there can be issues. My friend kept her rental horses in tie stalls but she kept the front half in sand so they always stood in sand and it kept more pressure on the foot to help growth and to help it perhaps reshape a bit. Shoeing is an art form... good luck.
As a former conventional farrier and then a barefoot trimmer in the last years of my career, I’ve always been amazed that you have so few lameness issues in your horses given that they are in steel shoes year round. You have a very good farrier and a whole lot of good luck. I’ve seen cadaver hooves of horses who were in toe clips for a lot of years and the clips had actually eroded and remodelled the coffin bone.
Great video Jim, very informative. That would definitely be my biggest worry if I ever get a work horse, theres no one around here that does that work. I will be on my own and clueless.
Working on the hard dry ground this spring would be hard on the feet. Now that you have had good rain ☔️ the ground should be softer to walk on. Stepping on a rock in hard ground could hurt.Hope the shoe helps!
Getting a good farrier you can trust is one of the hardest things to do! It's easier to get a good vet than a farrier! Hope your Amish friend trains a reliable one! Good luck with poor Lady.
Had my farrier out to shoe my Suffolk today and showed him parts of the video. He commented that the large caulks can lend themselves to soft tissue damage when they pick their feet up. He also thought that the relief she gets with the bar shoe could indicate deep flexor tendon strain. Obviously suggestions made after glances at a video are worth what you paid for them but you can weigh the need for traction for logging and the risk of soft tissue damage due to large caulks. Just my two cents that you didn’t pay for😉
another informative video. you did quite well shoeing Jim. your working knowledge is quite good and we'll see in three weeks how well you've done . cheers
Jim have you ever tried putting a leather pad on her front feet if not try that it may solve your problem we found that over the year with a horse that wears pulling shoes they have that problem of short heels and sometimes the pad helps with that problem we always let our horses run without shoes in the winter, but I know you work them year round
Good video.You have to try new things till you find what works.I used to work on my own,than I wanted to get in to shoeing for other people,so in 1990 I went to shoeing school in Oklahoma. and worked with a friend for a couple years.I didn't have a stock,wish I did maybe my back would have lasted a little longer.I got to use one when I went to Dick Sparrows.It was real nice .Tank for the video
I like the idea of "Animal Cracker" (mentioned by nubbin dog) coming to look at your horses especially Lady. I think "Dr. Doug" practices in NYC so it may be a long way to travel depending on where you live. He does a series of horse adjustment videos that include some treatment of their legs. It might be a great RUclips collaboration. S&S horseshoeing is AWESOME. He is in his fourth year of vet school.
Laughing .... I guess the camera is not usually there, the second percheron in did give a glance but the two belgian needed more info...... they fascinate me....
Glad you knew enough about how to deal with a problem like this! I have to wonder though, is it possible that Eli may have cut the quick down too far that might have caused the lameness? Wondering about how long it will take for the heel to grow out to match the front of the hoof so as to take the pressure off the frog?
Hello Jim n family..I dont think people realise how hard/heavy it is to do horses feet..can you lift /hold their feet without a shoeing stock? Just wondering how you get on out in the paddock in an emergency...here in Aust I dont know of any one with a shoeing stock...I can see their advantage...once again great video cant wait to see how Lady pulls up...cheers Mick
Cutting away frog just always makes me wince. Just imagining a slip of the knife and slicing too deep.....yikes I'm a bowl of jello when it come to that Good job
What about using plain flat shoes? Or smaller studs for traction? I think those heel 'prongs' (I dont know what the correct term is) could be the cause of the problem
You love your horses better than my uncle Earl. If the horse wouldn’t stand still while shoeing, he would pound it in the ribs with his hammer. He was a mean s.o.b
Your kind of pulling our leg Jim. I watched the vlog of the amish farrier shoeing your horses and I also watch the S&S horsing shoeing channel. If you horseshoed as much as they did you would be just as good.
I no hindsight is 20 20 but I used to have the same problem with our Morgan Billy! I used the same tecnec but I made a show with the bar set lower in the shoe! the only problem with your method is that bar will start to straiten under load and cause the show to spread at the hell! could cause a lot more damage like that! I think it's fine for a temporary fix! But a proper made shoe is the way to go! Jimmy Ya need a forge and anvil! Good, Better, Best, never let it rest! Till your good is better and your better best! Like grandpa told me it ant rocket science! It's now house animal and how there body is supposed to work! Watch there gate and how they shift and care there weight, It will tell you a lot youngman!
Time will tell. How old is Lady now? Just curious, depending on the age of a horse there is a possibility of arthritis setting in. That will cause pain for her as well.
Ill be praying for my girl lady she is so good looking i dought u have tried them but have u looked into the plyerithane shoes they are realy good on hardtops im shour the horses would love them its like differenc between 200$ mand made usa boots vs $20 walmart specials. Ive learned years ago shoes on us people are all the diference in world
Good morning Jim,it's a very wet one hear in the UK,Good for my vegetable garden though 😊 You were spot on finding the problem with Lady's foot so fingers crossed it dose the trick....Good job Jim 👏👏👏 l have a question.....there are two corrugated very tall structures with what looks like little houses on the top,would you be so kind to explain what they are and maybe show them on a video thankyou very much.All the very best 🌱🌱🌱💕🇬🇧uk
You did a great job, but man, those shoes look so increadibly uncomfortable. All that weight on high heels essentially. I know they are working horses that need the traction and I know you're humane with them just seems painful
honestly when you look into it I have never understood why inserting metal into the horses hoof is meant to fix it. it's so outdated now with so many better options
When she Stands on her hoof The hoof mechanism pushes The frog too Hard on the inside cushions and bones. The heels are pressured to hard by the spikes on the shoes. The heal does Not Grow less. Its just Over pressured. The hoofs balance is wrong. Toe-heal. Its a big Heavy horse and she needs som HEIGHT on her hoofs. She has NO hoof vault. It is Flat. You have a footvault. So shall she. The frog shall NOT take all pressure. It Will be pressed down when she stand. Look at the footprint on the floor. You need to learn about The awesome biomechanics of The hoof. We humans have 100 bones in our feet. Its complex. Our heal cushion cant take all PRESSURE. either. THERE ARE A CUSHION INSIDE THE HOOF AND IT SHALL NOT BE UNDER MAXIMUM PRESSURE ALL THE TIME. IT SHALL ONLY BE IN FUNCTION WHILE MOVING. THINK TROT AND GALOPP. Hug your lovely Horses.
Its great to see a man take good care of his horses now too.
Thank you Sr.
Funny how the Belgians checked out the camera coming into the barn
... and it's not like a tractor, you can't change the part ... My thoughts are with that brave Lady ... her name fits her.
Like your idea on cleaning the lens. Bill fogs the lens. Lady comes behind and rubs the lens with her nose.👍
I find your videos being back some memories of my father. He grew up old order Mennonite. He told me the first time he plowed by himself (about 90 years ago) with the team as a younger boy. The rows were so crooked he then got the cultivator out to cover them up. He was embarrassed of how they looked. He worked many years in a local sawmill moving logs with horses. That’s were he met my mother. He loved the Heavy horses. Bigger the better with him. As a kid I spent many Saturday mornings going to the harness shop or in the summer going to local parades with an old wagon and a team he borrowed from the neighbour. Of course he always had the bells on. I have some of the bells today yet. I think you would have gotten along well with my dad. His first buggy horse he taught to stand on his hind legs while harnessed up to the buggy. Got a picture to prove it. (Back then pictures were not an easy task)
Thanks for sharing the memories!
Another great topic covered very well. I'm on my first team of drafts and learning lots from you. Don't stop. Teamsters are few in my area for advice.
You can tell she seems lot more comfortable with the different shoe!
Did you notice it begin to ease as Jim was placing the replacement shoe? It seemed to me that her front right leg muscles relaxed when he did that.
They love the camera. What a wonderful horse and job you done on her.
Excellent ending,,but she was in pain,,drawing up on the stomach somewhat with first 2 nails,,,but she walked great in the end...poor baby,she's our favorite...
That response could be a result of the vibration too.
Another interesting video, Jim. Its good you can to that in emergencies. Thanks for showing this. 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Your the best no advice because you know your horse her history and the whole story. Great video as usual. I am sure she will be sorted soon with the great care you give them all.
Phew, Lady is the best girl, Jim is a man of many talents, hopefully all will be well. Thank you for sharing with us and God bless you and all of the animals….and your children and Miss Brenda! From Florida with love, thank you!
We use to use a hard leather pad, and a half pad underneath. Gave good results. Also Jim, we rubbed "hoof flex every night into the coronet and heel. It really helped with growth. Didn't take long to do and sure safed a lot of time
Nice job. One thing to think about is this. Turn the old shoe over and look at the foot surface. Often the hoof has worn a grove in the metal shoe where the heels land. The heels ARE growing, but are worn away by the shoe each time the foot lands. The bar shoe may be helpful either by making the foot angle more upright, or because of the protection it provides. Bar shoes are a mystery! Also using old nail holes, so long as they are still high is fine. Use the next larger nail size.
I hope it works for her, poor girl. I know what it's like to have sore feet.
On another note, if you made a recording of just the clip clop of your horses walking in the barn and wherever else, with a few neighs here and there, looping it for 8 hours, it would be an excellent "sleep tape" - better than "white noise" for city slickers who have to block out the city noises to sleep. 😴
God Bless All of Your Family.
Good job putting shoes on lady Jim you are master of all trades good to know you have that knowledge God bless hope lady will be ok
Good job Jim , thanks for your Chanel..
It will work Jim because you took her pain away. Just as long no infections she should be like any animal, just fine. It’s an honour to take away from any animal, mammal the pain.
Well, I learn something new every time I come here! I never had any real money, all my life, up until the last 20 years, all my money went on feed and shoes! Very little on vet bills, the Horse God was kind to me.
Oh no not Lady! She's my favorite horse! Jim I hope you can save her.
More memories. My dad did shoeing on Saturdays. I was pretty young. We had a job in the summer. He did his showing beneath a sprawling elm tree. He would cut a switch with a cluster of leaves left on the end. There would be one on each side sliding the switch gently over the sides, back and legs. Horses were broke gentle like yours back then. We were controlling the flies. The horses enjoyed this and didn't stomp and struggle. Thanks for another video.
Good Job! See you can do it!!
Your horses are fortunate to have a caring and competent owner.
You did a good job Jim. Made my hands, arms & back hurt just watching you especially when you clinched the nails. I'm thinking you and l are close to the same age but you are way more of a man than l am! If l did the kind of work you do every day I'd be in better shape. I hope that did the trick for Lady.
So funny they come over and look at camera first thing haha
Hope lady gets better real soon bad when one gets lame i think you did a good job hey i have trouble walking maybe you can shoe me up and ill walk better. Thanks jim may god bless
I think you identified the source of the problem, the high calks reduce the pressure on the frog, which reduces circulation. I hope the bar is helpful over the long run.
when you get the foot up, tap on the nail heads with your hammer. that will let you now if you have a hot nail.When I started the first nail I would tip the head back towards the heal, than ones it started I would hold the toe of the shoe even with the front toe of the hoof.That will help the shoe from sliding back. she has thin walls,I would have left the heal nails out seeing it's not muddy.They always told me just because there is five nail holes you don't have to use them all. hope she doesn't grab it with her back foot. hopefully she will be back to normal soon.Thanks
It will work. Horses look great. Take care and stay safe, Al
Hope lady is ok and great video
Friend of mine had a rental stable for trail rides and she used a lot of draft cross type horses as they seemed quieter.
Drafts then to have a bit of a flat foot like TB's and there can be issues. My friend kept her rental horses in tie stalls but she kept the front half in sand so they always stood in sand and it kept more pressure on the foot to help growth and to help it perhaps reshape a bit. Shoeing is an art form... good luck.
As a former conventional farrier and then a barefoot trimmer in the last years of my career, I’ve always been amazed that you have so few lameness issues in your horses given that they are in steel shoes year round. You have a very good farrier and a whole lot of good luck. I’ve seen cadaver hooves of horses who were in toe clips for a lot of years and the clips had actually eroded and remodelled the coffin bone.
Great video Jim, very informative. That would definitely be my biggest worry if I ever get a work horse, theres no one around here that does that work. I will be on my own and clueless.
Good luck w/ Lady. The foot didn’t seem to be sensitive after the reset. Thank you for sharing.
Working on the hard dry ground this spring would be hard on the feet. Now that you have had good rain ☔️ the ground should be softer to walk on. Stepping on a rock in hard ground could hurt.Hope the shoe helps!
Another good video. I hope Lady gets better very soon. I have often thought that farrier work is a hard and dangerous job.
Thank's for sharing Jim that was very interesting keep them coming stay safe and God bless
Thank you for the information, very helpful to us newbies and wannabes. It is good to see good horsemanship. Thanks for sharing!
Getting a good farrier you can trust is one of the hardest things to do! It's easier to get a good vet than a farrier! Hope your Amish friend trains a reliable one! Good luck with poor Lady.
Ya do a good job shoeing. When I pulled i did my own shoes too 😁 got the scars on my hands to prove it
Well done ! Enjoy
Had my farrier out to shoe my Suffolk today and showed him parts of the video. He commented that the large caulks can lend themselves to soft tissue damage when they pick their feet up. He also thought that the relief she gets with the bar shoe could indicate deep flexor tendon strain. Obviously suggestions made after glances at a video are worth what you paid for them but you can weigh the need for traction for logging and the risk of soft tissue damage due to large caulks. Just my two cents that you didn’t pay for😉
another informative video. you did quite well shoeing Jim. your working knowledge is quite good and we'll see in three weeks how well you've done . cheers
44K 👏 yeaaa 👏 Love the horses.
Very interesting
Might the hoof issue explain Lady's (earlier) reluctance to turn Left when alighting from the trailer?
Very nice
Excellent
Jim have you ever tried putting a leather pad on her front feet if not try that it may solve your problem we found that over the year with a horse that wears pulling shoes they have that problem of short heels and sometimes the pad helps with that problem we always let our horses run without shoes in the winter, but I know you work them year round
Time will tell...good job... but getting the frog to pump blood should help!
Jim, I guess Lady gets the summer off? I hope your shoe guy stays on board.
Its going to work. Lots better than before you redid shoe. Lady is walking much better.
Well Done!!
Good video.You have to try new things till you find what works.I used to work on my own,than I wanted to get in to shoeing for other people,so in 1990 I went to shoeing school in Oklahoma. and worked with a friend for a couple years.I didn't have a stock,wish I did maybe my back would have lasted a little longer.I got to use one when I went to Dick Sparrows.It was real nice .Tank for the video
Hi Jodi, it was good to met you the other day
Curious happy horses.
You will know if it works better than anyone , good luck,
She seemed to walk better. Hope it works for her.
I like the idea of "Animal Cracker" (mentioned by nubbin dog) coming to look at your horses especially Lady. I think "Dr. Doug" practices in NYC so it may be a long way to travel depending on where you live. He does a series of horse adjustment videos that include some treatment of their legs. It might be a great RUclips collaboration. S&S horseshoeing is AWESOME. He is in his fourth year of vet school.
Laughing .... I guess the camera is not usually there, the second percheron in did give a glance but the two belgian needed more info...... they fascinate me....
Nice 👍
Hopefully, that is a fix...
Glad you knew enough about how to deal with a problem like this! I have to wonder though, is it possible that Eli may have cut the quick down too far that might have caused the lameness?
Wondering about how long it will take for the heel to grow out to match the front of the hoof so as to take the pressure off the frog?
Lets hope it does.
Hello Jim n family..I dont think people realise how hard/heavy it is to do horses feet..can you lift /hold their feet without a shoeing stock? Just wondering how you get on out in the paddock in an emergency...here in Aust I dont know of any one with a shoeing stock...I can see their advantage...once again great video cant wait to see how Lady pulls up...cheers Mick
Should work.Good luck.
Saw the difference immediately. Yeah they'll be some soreness, but walking better already. How old are all of the horses?
Forma Hoof is a great product for rebuilding a horse hoof there is videos of it on RUclips.☺
Cutting away frog just always makes me wince.
Just imagining a slip of the knife and slicing too deep.....yikes
I'm a bowl of jello when it come to that
Good job
What about using plain flat shoes? Or smaller studs for traction? I think those heel 'prongs' (I dont know what the correct term is) could be the cause of the problem
Jim, will you have to check the shoe from time to time to be sure no stones get between the bar and the frog? Hope the remedy works.
You love your horses better than my uncle Earl. If the horse wouldn’t stand still while shoeing, he would pound it in the ribs with his hammer. He was a mean s.o.b
Farriers must have strong hands
Have enjoyed your videos for a couple months now. Wonder what state is your farm in?
NY
Your kind of pulling our leg Jim. I watched the vlog of the amish farrier shoeing your horses and I also watch the S&S horsing shoeing channel. If you horseshoed as much as they did you would be just as good.
NO question - you look just as professional, Jim !!
They both noticed the camera right away. I think you need to call the Ferrier right away!
I no hindsight is 20 20 but I used to have the same problem with our Morgan Billy! I used the same tecnec but I made a show with the bar set lower in the shoe! the only problem with your method is that bar will start to straiten under load and cause the show to spread at the hell! could cause a lot more damage like that! I think it's fine for a temporary fix! But a proper made shoe is the way to go! Jimmy Ya need a forge and anvil! Good, Better, Best, never let it rest! Till your good is better and your better best! Like grandpa told me it ant rocket science! It's now house animal and how there body is supposed to work! Watch there gate and how they shift and care there weight, It will tell you a lot youngman!
Time will tell. How old is Lady now? Just curious, depending on the age of a horse there is a possibility of arthritis setting in. That will cause pain for her as well.
@Autigers 2010 I agree. She's a beautiful mare and Jim needs to much to have something like that set in.
Will have to stop working her until it improves? Tom from Nebraska thank you
Ill be praying for my girl lady she is so good looking i dought u have tried them but have u looked into the plyerithane shoes they are realy good on hardtops im shour the horses would love them its like differenc between 200$ mand made usa boots vs $20 walmart specials. Ive learned years ago shoes on us people are all the diference in world
This Heavy horse must have Clips to not get all The pressure on the nails. Thats why all shoes have clips. Even on more less Heavy Horses. Sideclips.
dose she do better in soft ground?
Her feet look dry. Try feeding her plain knox gelatin and brush her feet with peanut oil it'll help them grow better and soften up a little
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Nice job!
Why do you keep them in separated pasture ?
Sometimes the can get to horsing around and because they have shoes on, they could do damage if they kick
@@WorkingHorsesWithJim Thank you
What's that background sound ?!?
I think you really no what your doing jim.
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she looks better.
Good morning Jim,it's a very wet one hear in the UK,Good for my vegetable garden though 😊 You were spot on finding the problem with Lady's foot so fingers crossed it dose the trick....Good job Jim 👏👏👏 l have a question.....there are two corrugated very tall structures with what looks like little houses on the top,would you be so kind to explain what they are and maybe show them on a video thankyou very much.All the very best 🌱🌱🌱💕🇬🇧uk
They are silos
What do I think?🤨 I think horse shoeing is a lot of hard work! I hope Lady is feeling better!
You did a great job, but man, those shoes look so increadibly uncomfortable. All that weight on high heels essentially. I know they are working horses that need the traction and I know you're humane with them just seems painful
honestly when you look into it I have never understood why inserting metal into the horses hoof is meant to fix it.
it's so outdated now with so many better options
when you have a horse with a sore foot don't you think it would be better to let a professional hoof trimer do the job
Sometimes but that seemed to work well for her this time
When she Stands on her hoof The hoof mechanism pushes The frog too Hard on the inside cushions and bones. The heels are pressured to hard by the spikes on the shoes. The heal does Not Grow less. Its just Over pressured. The hoofs balance is wrong. Toe-heal. Its a big Heavy horse and she needs som HEIGHT on her hoofs. She has NO hoof vault. It is Flat. You have a footvault. So shall she. The frog shall NOT take all pressure. It Will be pressed down when she stand. Look at the footprint on the floor. You need to learn about The awesome biomechanics of The hoof. We humans have 100 bones in our feet. Its complex. Our heal cushion cant take all PRESSURE.
either. THERE ARE A CUSHION INSIDE THE HOOF AND IT SHALL NOT BE UNDER MAXIMUM PRESSURE ALL THE TIME. IT SHALL ONLY BE IN FUNCTION WHILE MOVING. THINK TROT AND GALOPP.
Hug your lovely Horses.
You need Dr Scholls...or Bierkenstock shoes...? Heavy horses , bad posture , bad articulation ...or genetic flaws...?
Lady in Birkenstocks, that would be quite a sight, not sure what causes the problem in the first place
O M F G ! Go find someone that knows what they are doing, before you cripple that horse!
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