The Suikoden Series RANKED from WORST to BEST
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![Ranking the Suikoden Series - Worst to Best [Suikoden 1, 2, 3, 4, 5]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/TZLXvtzzmDE/mqdefault.jpg)
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@@Fast_DL that's cruel bro T.T
And yet getting a bad ending gives me damage
The Suikoden series as a whole was just fantastic to play and the overall story was amazing
And now Suikoden 1 & 2 are back with a remaster!
@@fernandozavaletabustos205 I saw that :)
5 is definitely a hidden gem. Really underrated game.
I can’t seem to find this one digitally unfortunately
Well, when it was released it got the merit it deserved. Only complaint was the boring first handful of hours.
@@bradb7610 i never found that boring. I was really interested in the world and the characters in it. but i may be the exception, not the rule.
Never played 5! Loved the first 3 but 4 took me out. I wish I could download it digitally
And now Suikoden 1 & 2 are back with a remaster!
S3 is honestly my favorite! The three perspectives, the four True runes you get to use, getting to play as a dog, the most mature of the storylines, and two Vikis!!
And now Suikoden 1 & 2 are back with a remaster!
s3 is really prob most rpg fans #2-3 for suikoden games.
@@jetrpg22 . Very unlikely.
3 was tough. Between it and 4 for me
When it comes to the plot, 2 was undoubtedly the most mature. The topic of war and the tragedy of this event was wonderfully presented from many perspectives.
Suikoden from least best to most best
This more like it
Agreed.i agree with Davids list but even s3 and s4 are far better than the average RPGs
RUclips's closed captions when David says Suikoden: "this weekend" "squeak it in 3" "suicide in tear crease" "suicide tactics" "sweden"
Suikoden 3 was the bottom? I loved that game to bits. So I'm sure the games above it must be amazing 🙀🙀🙀
Yeah. I'm not a hater of IV but if you played these games as they were relapsed no way IV wouldn't be at the bottom. I remember some where jarred by many of the new aspects of III, but it was the first 3D game. IMO I can't see how a fan could not like that game as it concludes things that started in II.
4 was my least favorite of the 1-5. While three was a bit frustrating. I didn't play the portable or the tactics so for me they don't matter. I could flip a quarter between one and two then the rest of the order would be, 5, 3, 4 for me of best to worst in series.
I dont disagree with David too often on his thoughts but here my feelings differ.
Fun fact: Suikoden was based on the classic Chinese novel, The Water Margin, where, yes, the main protagonist Jiang Song must find and recruit 108 stars of destiny to build up his base, Liangshan Marsh, including bandits, generals, a guy who can run really fast, a doctor, a horse doctor, a scribe, an artisan, a shipwright, several navigators, and a blacksmith
The guy who can run really fast is my favorite, and there's a dude that only wants to carve up people all the time, he's great.
Eiyuden Chronicle is the first Kickstarter I've ever backed, so here's hoping for a good spiritual successor the same way Bloodstained was for the Igavania subgenre of Castlevania games.
Seeing 2006 on the Suikoden 5 title screen really made me sad :(
EIYUDEN CHRONICLES FRIEND
@@jakeblargh yup, that's the answer
There's Eyuden Chronicle, a Kickstarted backed game with several Suikoden developpers in its team...
Interested ?
Very
First kickstarter I've ever backed. I LOVED Suikoden 1 and 2. Haven't even had anything to do with JRPG's for 10-15 years probably until some channels like David's got me nostalgic for them.
@@praetorxyn Wasn't my First Kickstarter, but it's definitely the one I'm most excited about.
I like the blur effect of the game like in octopath and wishing this would carry on to bring more jrpgs with the same effect
I am more interested in the real Suikoden Remasters coming.
This time i disagree with you david :p
I don't think that suikoden 3 deserves the worst & it should be suikoden 2 that in number 1. But i appreciate your opinion & video. Thanks for sharing this. Bring back many old memories because i played all the series. Watching this video makes me want to play suikoden 5 again (want to make sure why it became your number 1 of the series :p)
Pretty much most rpg/suikoden fans agree 3 is prob just below maybe 5 and for sure 2. 1 is the opening game but its age hurts it more than most. At the time it was top notch tho.
Since being introduced to this series by watching the let’s play of the first two on your channel I have been loving the story of this series.
I keep hoping you’ll do a let’s play of part 5, it has been so much fun, and another fantastic story.
Definitely one of my top favorite series of all time~
My number one spot is always flip-flopping between 2 and 5. Part of me thinks 1 and 2 should always be bundled together since their stories take place pretty much back-to-back, and when I think about it that way, 1 and 2 together beat out 5 on my list~ Special mention to the opening theme of Suikoden 3, Exceeding Love. When I first got 3, I couldn't play it for the first few hours because I kept replaying the opening just to hear that song again XD
Yeah I got it for Christmas and played the intro several times over, lol. It was a good game.
Remember the critics main weakness for S3 was its music. Look it up haha.
Woah I did not expect Suikoden 3 to be below the spinoffs. It was my first Suikoden game so I'm a bit nostalgic for it but I can respect your opinion. I tend to go back and forth between 2 and 5 for my #1 spot. My current list would be
1. Suikoden 2
2.Suikoden 5
3.Suikoden 1
4.Suikoden 3
5.Suikoden 4
6. Suikoden Tactics
7. Suikoden Tierkreis
This is close to my list as well. Except I would put tactics above 4
@@matsujonen Honestly after replaying both 4 and Tactics back to back a few months ago, I have to agree with you there
I plan on picking up the remaster of Suikoden 1 and 2 whenever it comes out
Importing my character from S1 into S2 completely blew my mind.
Yeah Tierkris was a piece of shit. It felt like every second boss fight was an unwinnable one too, and then the next boss fight you would actually fight the boss.
And that sand dungeon can die in a fire.
Great breakdown of the Suikoden series ranking, really enjoyed the insights and analysis!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Noticed your love for Suikoden - I’m also diving into the Suikoden universe! Feel free to explore my Suikoden-related space.@@davidvinc
I dunno if you've done one of these videos for Wild Arms, but i'd love to see one for that series if you haven't already done one. I've always wanted to get into that series but I don't know which of the games are good.
Looking back, Suikoden IV wasn't such a bad game. First of all, IV told the story from the perspective of the Mediterranean climate, which was a nice change from castles and a typical fantasy set in the Middle Ages. It was also nice to learn about Ted's fate and more about the rune of the punishment. The sea fights and voice acting weren't bad either. Of course, 2 is undoubtedly the best part and one of the best stories in the history of J-RPGs with an amazing OST.
And now Suikoden 1 & 2 are back with a remaster!
Hey davidvinc, did you play Exit Fate? It is a free game, it looks just like Suikoden 2 and story is really good.
One of my favorite series. I always try to play through 1 and 2 once a year.
While we might not get another game in the series, Eiyuden Chronicles looks to carry on as a spiritual successor.
I haven't played all 7 just V but I guess I played the best one. Love the roster of stars there including Josephine. Nicely animated cutscenes and good music.
OMG Suikoden 5 is my favorite Suikoden too .. we have the same taste and suikoden 2 is my second 😍
my list
1. Suikoden 5
2. Suikoden 2
3. Suikoden 3
4. Suikoden Tactics
5. Suikoden 1
6. Suikoden 4
7. Suikoden Tierkries
Regarding the rarity of Suikoden II, that might change eventually next year if the announcement of the Suikoden I & II remaster on this year's Tokyo Game Show is anything to go by.
Just a shout-out to anyone interested in the series as I was: you can skip the brutal price tag on II through the Playstation Store on PS3. I, III and IV are on there too. :)
I'm surprised to hear the 4 is considered controversial. Most of my memories are of 2 & 4, must have replayed those the most. So glad we're getting a re-master, it's a day one purchase from me ❤
Suikoden 2 have a better storyline but suikoden 5 have a better gameplay mechanics. Both are great game. what make suikoden series a gem is the storyline and world building its like you are reading a book.
Suikoden 4 is the only one in the series I never beat because of the ship. That one is my #7 because of it. Personally I liked 3 letting you play the scenes over and over.
4 was the worst easy, tactics prob next, (or w/e the ds one was)
Suikoden 3 has one of all time best character designs in a game. I've never seen anyone complain about the battle system. Story was good, and the trinity sight really got you to know a bloated cast. S4, ugh, random battles every few seconds, battle system from the dark ages. It just screams low budget and while low budget doesn't mean bad there was whiff from Konami that we don't care if its bad.
I wasn't a fan of 5 that much, just little things. Loading screens for everything, even entering a house in a town. The art was a big step back from 3.
Tierkreis notwithstanding, I feel like Suikoden 3 being at the bottom of the list is an unpopular opinion, but I agree whole heartedly. I pretty well agree with the rest of the listing, although I feel playing Suikoden 1 & 2 one after another is the best way to experience them and are my favorite. Suikoden 5 is good, but I hated how I pretty well needed a walkthrough on my lap in order to find all the Stars, although I really do need to play through 5 again. Also can't wait for Eiyuden Chronicles: Hundered Heroes, the spiritual successor of Suikoden! Hoping it's release will spark interest in the series again, and maybe it'll prompt Konami to release a lazy collection port of this series.
The success of the Eiyuden Kickstarter should have told Konami all they need to know about the value of Suikoden and I hoped we'd see a reaction from them but alas, we saw no response from Konami. I still believe at this point our only hope of seeing this series again in the future is if Konami lets other companies develop games with their IP's. It is really unfortunate we still dont know what Konami is really doing.
@@MiamiSunrise We somehow got a Castlevania Collection, so we might still lucky, but I'm not holding my breath.
Gimme the lazy collection port of this series!! Haha
Did not expect you to rank Suikoden V above II, i probably don't agree with that, but i still think V is a criminally underrated game, and i consider it the second best in the series.
Such a shame that it didn't pull the numbers it needed, or that Konami couldn't see anything beyond numbers, they where on a goldmine with that one and just tossed it out
Suikoden III a the bottom feels a bit harsh. Yeah, it's a middling game, but i really can't place it below Tierkreis, seriously fuck that game
Honestly 2 and 3 are the only ones worth playing. Both are among the best rpgs of all time.
V is way better than 3, honestly.
I *hated* Suikoden Tactics with its unintentionally funny fish monster transformations and especially its creepy eyeless NPCs. Seriously, having to look at those freaky things completely ruined the game for me.
Completely agree that II and V are the best games in the series.
I like 3 more than you even while agreeing with all your points about it. Camera and back tracking are a pain in 3 too, but I like Luc’s story turn I think it carries the game, the tie ins to 1 and 2 are appreciated (less superficial and tacked on than say Chrono Cross’ tie ins to Trigger) and the characters are pretty solid, except for the ducks haha. For me 1, 2 and 5 are the gold standards of the series. Tactics, 3 and 4 are flawed but good enough... and I just dont consider Tiekries to be a Suikoden game. lol
I found Luc' motivations pretty stupid. Like they tried to make them deep but it's totally the opposite.
Also, he wanted to get rid of the rune by destroying it, yet the franchise itself shows countless of times that there are many ways to relinquish the runes.
A long time ago my friend wanted Final Fantasy XIII and offered to swap for Suikoden V.... I was the clear winner of that trade for sure, Suikoden V is a great game and the best in the franchise imo (Suikoden 2 being a very close 2nd)
Wild Arms and Grandia would also be great series to rank!
As I look forward to the remasters, I have been replaying Suikoden V and then I stumble on this. Your ranking is pretty much exactly mine, especially the #1, #2, and #3 spots XD
I have an unpopular opinion but I really enjoy suikoden tierkries (but to be fair it was my first one) but even after playing one and two I think it is still a great game
Edit:forgot to say but amazing video as always and would love to see more videos like this.
No fucking way is Suikoden 3 worse than Suikoden 4. Suikoden 4 is the worst of the main line games by a lot.
suikdoen 5 was a close return to form. It's my second favorite. i'm surprised it didn't get eh love it desereved. but i suppose 3 and maybe 4 shook a lot of people off.
My personal list: Hate: 4-3 | Meh: 5 | Good: Tierkreis-Tactic | Amazing: 1 | PERFECTION: 2
Suikoden 3 narrative structure is very similar to Pulp Fiction.
They want you to see a point of view experience for characters around a central plot. Each character's experience is just a small piece of the overall plot. After beating the game you put all those pieces together.
Speaking of Pulp Fiction. I watched it with three other friends in the theater. I thought it was a masterpiece. The others thought it was a waste of their time. I can see people that beat suikoden 3 having the same reaction. Love/Hate it.
Suikoden 3 is easily one of my favorite rpgs, with 5 not too far behind. I did play both just last year as well.
I like the combat system and the animations, but wish there was more of a challenge. I did appreciate the treasure bosses at least. Then magic does so much damage that you only need one or two spell casters.
I also like the trinity system for allowing you to get to know more of the characters and see their interactions with their groups, instead of having the same regulars through most the game. Yes, I even liked Thomas's chapters for what they were.
Suikoden 5 is an even easier game with boss bottles often being over very quickly. I also feel like the skill system is much more limited in 3. The animations and UI also seemed like a step backwards. That being said, there's lots of fun characters and mini games to be had here.
Thomas chapters are a pain.
I could go on and on about this series but I will keep my response short this time (David - "Thank the heavens this will be short") lol! I couldnt get into 3 especially how 2 was, exceptional, amazingly built and the story...come on with that, when the game was over I demanded there be more game! 2 has the art style, the battle systems and look and story I love. Definitely number 1 for me! Thank you David, would be great to see other lists like this too!
I was the opposite, I remember getting 3 for Christmas and feeling happy that the end of 2 was solidified. The story was good and it fit that trilogy of games (of course we needed a 4th to actually finish that story.)
Even if I don't fully agree, I actually liked your Ranking, and despite I like Suikoden 3 I agree with your complaints. Overall, Suikoden is a great franchise.
My rank would be most favorite to least.
1) Suikoden 2
2) Suikoden 5
3) Suikoden 3
4) Suikoden 1
5) Suikoden 4
6) Suikoden Tierkress
7) Suikoden Tactics
There are only 2 Suikoden Games that are good , the First and the Second.
I played Eiyuden Chronicle Heroes Rising a while ago and enjoyed myself. So with EC Hundred Heroes coming out soon I'm finally trying out Suikoden 1 for the first time and I'm enjoying myself quite a bit so far!
For me I've never played the spin offs, Suikoden Tactics, and the ones for the DS and psp. I'm kind of amazed to see Suikoden 3 at last place. I'd imagine at least the spin offs would be lower. But again I haven't played them. I will play the psp version eventually though as it has a translation and I hear it's pretty good.
5. Suikoden IV - It's kind of tough, I played through it and beat it once, I remember liking it, but honestly I don't remember much about it other than being so happy the battle system wasn't like 3. And that the voice acting felt kind of slow or off, and the ships being kind of annoying. But over all I still enjoyed my time with it. I'll have to give it a replay.
4. Suikoden III - I actually really like the story and the characters, the set pieces too. And that opening animation is still god like to this day. I didn't mind the multiple view points. I just found it slightly annoying like most games that switch between protags, where I'm super invested in what's going to happen, but I can't continue with that, and must play someone else instead. The only thing keeping it from being number 3 for me personally is the god awful battle system. I can't stand it, and is certainly the worst in the series.
3. Suikoden V - I'm actually playing this right now, the story and characters are quite fun. Battle system isn't annoying though the transitions entering and exiting battles can be a bit obnoxious. I haven't actually beat this game just yet. When I got it originally, I got to a point where I needed 3 different parties similar to Luca Blight, and only leveled my favorites. So I died, and I went back and leveled a bunch, got past it and my game froze. So I kind of gave up. Besides the battle transitions being a little time consuming, it feels like you need a guide constantly while playing it. It's so easy to miss stars of destiny, and some choices can simply lock characters out. I'm not the biggest fan of the war battles, they seem a bit chaotic and hard to keep track of at times. It's also probably longer than every other Suikoden combined...okay maybe not but it's long! I'm fairly confident though, that this is deserving of the number 3 spot regardless of the small gripes.
2. Suikoden - It's the original, the characters are fun, the battles are lightning fast and don't waste my time too much. The game can be breezed through pretty quickly. And getting the 108 stars of destiny isn't too difficult. Just a super solid, and quick rpg to beat. It may not have the deepest story of the franchise, but I don't have many negatives to say about it.
1. Suikoden II - Yup, I don't think this one can be topped. Characters are probably the best in the series, with one of the best villains in rpgs in general. The story is master class. Combat is short and sweet. The 2D sprites imo are also top notch. Music imo is probably the best in the series as well. It's longer than the first but still has a comfortable length. The war battles to me are the best in the series. It also has the best home base. And you can even go see the original Protagonist and fight with him. I've actually said that this is my favorite game on the original PS1, and I think that it still holds up.
I never played the DS one but I've played all the rest and I agree mostly with your assessment. I didn't hate Suikoden 3 as much as you. It came out when I was in college and I got it for Christmas one year and I literally spent 3 days on this comfy ass recliner at my parents house playing it nonstop. So it holds a special place in my heart.
There's definitely a HUUUUGE gap between number 4 and 3 in this list. 1, 2 and 5 are head and shoulders above the rest. I can't wait for Eiyuden Chronicles....
I totally agree with your opinion on Suikoden 3.. I played for the first time these days and man... what a difficult and frustrating game... the Fire Dragon was a hell of a fight and took me over 5 tries to beat it down.. and now I am stuck again on Yuber
The water dragon was too hard
Water Dragon.
I loved suikoden 3
My ranking is 2,5,3,1, tactics,4
Suikoden I is the best - The soundtrack is superior in every way to the second (They’re only maybe two tracks that even approach the brilliant of the first which are Rokkaku and the opening prologue theme)
Totally disagree, I found the ost of 2 completely superior to the ost of 1.
And do not let me start on the battle music themes, because Suikoden 1 falls very short there compared to every other game in the franchise.
@@SeventhheavenDK That opinion would be wrong. Objectively. Factually. Not even debatable. 2 has a few great tracks - Reminiscence, the opening movie, and Rokkaku are by far the 3 standouts. But most are pretty mediocre, esp the town themes. The instrumentation is nowhere near as lush as the first game and the melodies far less memorable and are far simpler. The other better tracks in the soundtracks are all tracks that are revisions of melodies found in the first game.
Suikoden 1 doesn't have a single bad track in the game, and not only are the arrangments FAR more complex, longer in length before looping, involving more instruments (sometimes twice as many), have more variety in terms of world music influence, are FAR more memorable, but the number of top quality tracks is well into the double digits. And the overall audio quality of the first game is FAR better, the 2nd game is so squeaky and uses poorer sampling.
Gregminster Palace
Gregminster
Mt Seifu
Theme of Moonlit Night
Theme of Sadness both version
the incredble Lake Kouan town theme
Village of the Elves,
Dark Forest
Theme of tension
Sneaking into Lepant's mansion
Both versions of the Home base castle theme
Antei - village of the People
Kirov's eastern european peasant village
The prologue movie theme
Forgotten Days - Village of the Hidden Rune (the best track in the game and the series)
Warriors Village theme
Neclord's Passacaria
Knights of the Dragon's Den
Ending credits
All of these are stellar tracks and better than of track in Suikoden 2 except for the 3 I mentioned.
And the battle them of Suikoden 1 is way better than the battle theme in Suikoden 2.
Normally I'd agree to disagree but in this case you're just wrong dude. Wrong as wrong can be.
A let's play of suikoden 5 would be cool
My buddy Caront has one up right now! Check out his RUclips channel if you like. He also has a blind playthrough of Suikoden 2, Skies of Arcadia, Wild Arms, and other RPGs.
@@alkristopher cool and thanks
Third game's my favorite. I won't say it's the best. But it's the one I enjoyed the most. Even Thomas' chapters.
Maybe I'll give it another shot one of these days, but it's just so long and I hate having to constantly replay the same scenes, it's just so boring to me.
@@davidvinc Everything you disliked about it is fair and valid. I just didn't dislike them for whatever reason. I felt a lot more invested in a lot more characters than the other games because of the trinity system. If you were to hand me Thomas' crew in a different Suikoden game, I'd have retired them all from my party for the remainder of the game the second they got one-shotted by a tiny axe-wielding bunny in the first map. But I stuck with 'em and whipped 'em into shape. To me, Suikoden III is the antithesis of Suikoden IV. One is boring, lifeless, depressing and lacks personality while the other makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. I love the characters. I love the music. I love the towns. The castle. The character models. The Duck Clan! Nash. Lilly. Not one. But two Vikis! I also liked wandering back and forth murdalizing chest monsters for art and statues. Did I mention 2 Vikis?
I rarely completely agree with peoples list. Except this one. This nails it perfectly.
Was also ironically playing suikoden 1 when this video popped up
Gotta hand a paw to one thing in Suikoden III, the intro song was great
I agreed with everything about suikoden 3 except for the trinity system but the third one was my first and only experience of suikoden.
Good to see your ranking. I still haven’t played any of these, but I am planning to play the first and second games on Vita someday
I played all but 5 when they first came out. Still have Suikoden 2. Need to play Suikoden 5
i finally have been playing suikoden 2 for my first time. totally an amazing game. i hope to play the fifth someday.
ill probably end up playing the first game when the remaster comes out.
Suikoden V is my favourite too.
Hazuki is one of my favourite characters. I really like her whole design. I still remember how badass she looks with her intro animation at the start of battle. She steps up, takes her sword out of the scabbard and throws the scabbard aside then gets into her battle stance. She's like "duel me, bitch"
suikoden 2 was amazing! I actually cried when SHE dies (not gonna ruin it for people..but YOU know who im talking about)
Call me silly but I quit tactics after my suikoden 4 hero joined with my save file only for his name to be all in CAPS. Also, I used to dislike 4. Thought it was too short by the time I got all the cool characters. But for some reason, as I got older, it became one of my favorites tied with 1 and 2 for various reasons. So glad I discovered this series as a teenager. Has been a huge influence on my musical creativity along with many of the games you've played and covered on your channel.
Awesome list. I only ever played 1 and 2. Kind of want to check out the rest. Thanks!
I can’t believe you didn’t put Chrono cross at the top on this list!
It's funny how I'm like the only person who can vibe with suikoden tierkreis to the point that I beat the game 5 times (1 normal 4 complete)
Despite their ballooning prices, thankfully, Suikoden 1-4 are all available for cheap digitally on PS3..
But not 5, which is starting to approach Suikoden II prices :(
okay, i've been a fan of the series since the beginning, though i had my top faves reversed from yours. you may have changed my mind. after your assessment i have to agree that V took the series further than II as far as mechanics and overall game play. i still think the story of II is better, but may have to concede that V is an overall better game. well done.
I can see why many others prefere 5 over 2. My list would be: #7 Tierkreis (do we even have to call this game a suikoden game? ugh..) #6 Suiko 1 (i liked it, but for me, story was the real good thing about it, everything else wasn't that impressive, but it was ok). #5 Suiko 3 (if the battle system were different, and not that silly ''pair thing'' and the story weren't told with that ''trinity system'', it could have been one of the best, i mean we got A LOT of true runes here, and i really loved them in combat
My god, Suikoden 4 has the worst and most boring story in the numbered games.
Even Tierkress had a better story than 4.
I was always kind of miffed that Suikoden went 3D. But now that I'm older, I know how much work 2D graphics can be. Maybe someday, I'll get a chance to give the 3D Suikoden games a try.
I've not played this series, but I was surprised that 2 did not come in first place.
Who was it you mentioned after Kefka? The only results I got were Etna from disgaea and Edna from ToZ.
Edna from Wild Arms XF
Suikoden should be played 45123. Chronological order and worst to best. Win win.
I don't understand the love for Suikoden 5...
I just played it for the first time a few months ago, and I only played it for 10-20 hours before I lost my save file, and I do plan to restart and finish it, but it just wasn't great up to that point. The main reason I waited more than 15 years between playing 4 and 5, is the OBVIOUS cuts to the budget for 5. Say what you will about 4, but even though it's graphics were not top-of-the-line, it actually looked like a modern (at the time) PS2 game. 5 barely looks better than a PS1 game, other than some VERY short story scenes, which were also obviously cut short for budget reasons.
On top of that, they add real-time war battles...in a Turn-Based RPG...Who the hell thought that was a good idea? If I could just flat-out skip those battles, I would.
As of right now, I think 5 would rank very low on my list, though I reserve the right to change my mind once I actually play the whole thing.
The War Battles of Suikoden V are the best in the franchise.
And the only ones that are well done.
Suikoden 1 are rock paper scissors based on luck.
Suikoden 2 War Battles are just scripted events that waste your time.
Suikoden 3 WB are just the same random battles but with auto AI. Boring.
The Naval battles of Suikoden 4 sound good on paper but were horribly designed in practice, you just choose a rune cannon that trumps against the opposition. O board the enemy ship in a (once again like Suikoden 3) limited representation of random battles.
You complain about that how dare them to add real time battles, yet they are the only ones in the franchise that force you to truly be tactical.
Also, really? So your problem is the graphics? I also think that Suikoden V got a shorter budget (which obviously happened due to Suikoden 4's failure), but the game actually looks beautiful, though the animations are a downgrade, I give you that, but the game makes up for it in everything else.
They put the budget where they truly should to make an excellent game and not only an empty and lack of quality game with "good graphics".
I understand the complaints about Suikoden 3, but it's actually really fun after you get used to the combat.
I appreciate that you didn't slander 4 like everyone always does. Ship travel is nice and soothing, with lots of fun battles.
my list:
1. Suikoden 2
2. Suikoden 3
3. Suikoden 5
4. Suikoden 1
5. Suikoden 4
Before I start.
'RUclips says the game in the video is Final Fantasy 5.'
RUclips pls, your drunk, go home.
7. 'Worst to Best.'
'Suikoden 3 is first.'
Ooph, that's a rough take.
6. If it was under a different name, this would have been received alot better. I think that gameplay wise, it's probably better than 4..........but it is not better than 3 to me. As a JRPG, it's one of the better ones on the DS honestly, it's a Good, possibly GREAT game. It is a poor Suikoden game.
5. Yeah, this feels about the right spot for the game. There was some good ideas.........they were not quite executed well. A Shame Really.
4. The game is flawed........and part of it is Probably because, if a certain Goon's theory is correct, it was rushed (Think bout it for a second, what did Eleanor actually do?).
3. I agree with this game's placement. It was the first of the Series, it has not aged well honestly, but it was the start of it all, and it's still a great game.
2. 'Is not number 1.' Wha? Really?
1. This game is kind of amazing given Murayama wasn't involved in it, and unlike the other games on the list didn't, this one somehow turned out to be one of the best in the franchise.
'Funky G'
Lol wot?
Yes finally someone who ranks Suikoden III last like me
only Suikoden game I've played on this list is Tierkries actually :p I never had a PS1 and didn't get a PS2 till the end of its lifespan, though I did pick up 1 and 2 on my PS Vita. Just need to get around to playing them. Thank goodness for the virtual store for that
I have the same top 3 in the same order. Suikoden 2 is probably the most highly regarded, but 5 has so much charm.
My list is almost the same with you, just different in no.1 position, suikoden 2 is no 1, just because they have food competition!! Wow I love it so much, it even have own end credits 😂😂, too bad suikoden V doesn't have it, it would be perfect if the cooking mini games in it 😉
You should check your titles for the youtube auto segmenter, as some of them could potentially lead to restricitons as a few of them say self-harm type things.
Oh thanks for telling me, I just went ahead and turned off all the chapters so they won't ever appear again. I don't know how to change the names myself.
No worries, getting demonetized is awful.@@davidvinc
@@secretbunnyninja yeah it is, thanks for the heads up!
The thing that really annoys me about this series is that after so many games we never really got answers on the Kingdom of Harmonia even though they are the overall antagonist of the franchise.
They built Harmonia from the 1st game up, even brougth probably the most powerful man on earth in to the mix: Hikusaak. We know, how he looked when he was younger (Luc, Sasarai) but he was never shown. The battle against Hikusaak would have been the pinnacle of the series, but sadly, it never came to it.
3 would have been the best game to do it, considering Harmonia’s direct involvement in the plot
4:57. Talkin about doodoo.
I put Suikoden III only behind Suikoden II. But I understand why Suikoden III can be overlooked. Great list nonetheless, keep it up.
That 4 isn't the bottom of this list is crazy.
S4 is fun. Especially the battle
Just here to show my love for Suikoden 3 so it can continue to be just as polarizing as it was when it was released. It’s the definition of a love it or hate it game. I’m one of those weirdos that loves it but definitely understands it is extremely flawed. It just hits all the right spots for me and I love the manga series that fills in plot holes and makes Luc’s motivations and emotions more well known and up front instead of putting them in the 108 star true ending.
Oh, have to disagree here. I love Suikoden 3. The battle system is a problem. But, I loved the trinity system and was so thrilled that you got to play as actual adults as two of the main characters.
Hey David, I don't know if you saw but a classic throwback JRPG called Legrand Legacy is 90% off right now on Switch.
I am so glad Suikoden 3 was put at the worst! I played it not too long ago and I was so confused why people were saying it was one of the better ones. Trekking back and forth between all the different areas was a such a pain!! Also, the game was way too slow in pretty much all aspects. And doing do Thomas side quests was just the worst, he is not strong enough for his storyline. There are so many bad aspects, but it would be too much time to go into all of them.
I definitely agree with 5 being the best, it really felt like a culmination of all the series' ideas into a pretty perfect entry. And 4 wasn't completely horrible. I dunno about ranking Tierkreis above 3 though. 3 could be frustrating gameplay wise, but the story had more going for it. I could not tell you a thing about Tierkries.
I have 5 in my ps2 hdd and I haven't touched it yet! This makes me think I should give it a go
I played only V and Tactics.
I'd like to know your thoughts on Woven Web of the Century. I'm almost through it, and while I do like it more than Tierkreis, I don't feel like it could touch Suikoden 3 or 4, much less any of the better games. I'd put it between "okay" and "good" (so...decent?).
I'd disagree with 3 being under 4 (and the sub games.) then I realized that you probably started much later.your descriptors for 3 I disagree with, but it was certainly janky in many aspects. Importantly, it was the direct sequel of of 2, and featured many retuning characters.
As far as IV, you really needed to play that on the current PS 2 slim of the time. You literally had easily 30 second load times navigating your ship (when you upgraded weapons, you did it for everybody, to avoided the load times.) You also didn't mention why sailing was actually an issue, the constant encounters and the slow fade in. Battles were fast, but every 10 seconds of sailing you would hear the PS2 gears start loading the battle (there didn't need to be that much water lol.) I also crashed for me here and there.
I'm going to assume 5 was your first Suikoden. As I can see someone starting from that perspective having to "climb down" a high ladder to get the older games. IMO the hype on 5 come from a good game with a VERY expansive and sandbox battle system allowing for some crazy combos and builds. You didn't mention the one pet peeve every reviewer was complaining about at release, that being the drawn out intro. Which was much more railroaded then the other games.
(5's story kinda felt too familiar like rehashing aspects of the older games. 3 was the best story of the ps2 games, if you love 1 and 2 as it solidified the ending of 2 and resolved some things.)
You can like 3, I like it too, but don't get ahead of yourself.
3 is not the best story, both 2 and 5 have a better story than 3.
@@SeventhheavenDK I mean't in comparison of 3, 4, and 5. Suikoden 2 is my my favorite JRPG, why might be why I like 3's cast of the ps2 games. 5 and 3 has the best gameplay.
I played all the games that made it to the US, and Suikoden is one of my favorite RPG serieses. I still remember first playing the original game during one of my early sleep overs at my best friend's house.
My order worst to best would be Tierkreis (Which I don't think should have been a SUikoden game), Tactics, IV, III, I, V,, II. II and V are V aredull, II has more of my favorite characters from the series,. Plus some ofthe backstorythat led to the whole mess your character is having to deal with in V annoys me.
One thing you didn't mention about III's battle system is how Fire spells can deal friendly fire damage. IMO that fact makes it the worst Suikoden battle system to use for the game focused on the True Fire Rune. I wouldn't be surprised if I dealt more damage tomy own party then too the enemy when using the True Fire RUne and I rarely used it for that reason..
eiyuden chronicles.....Can't wait
"Rather than previous games being focused on limiting what you can do or who you can have in your party, Suikoden V prides itself on letting you play the game how you want to play it."
Unless you want Georg in your party. Then Suikoden V will happily give you the finger and say "SCREW YOU!"
Why
I thought he was OP
Well, in new game plus he can be taken to the final battle at least