percussion revolver series cyl gap
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- today we will talk on how to test the cyl gap on a percussion revolver and hot the parts work to make a proper fit. this video was shot in a safe range enviroment.
#percussion revolver, #1860 army,#1851 navy, #1861 navy,# black powder revolvers,
Regardless how much experience a person has with cap & ball revolvers, useful tips like these are always worthwhile additions to our knowledge base.
I’ve learned so much from these videos! I didn’t have a clue about percussion revolvers before watching your videos.
Great explanation, Blackie, thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Great information
Great job ,been shooting c&b revolvers since 1970 ,didn't know that . Thank you. M.B.
Greetings from across the pond. I would just like to thank you for your interesting and informative videos on black powder pistols. I shoot these at Bisley, here in the UK, and your advice is very much appreciated. Best Regards, Gordon
Thanks so much for your informative reply...you sure know your stuff. I'm always looking forward to your next videos..
Thanks for watching!
Appreciate the info
No problem 👍
I always learn something every time I listen to you. Thank you from the Great State of South Dakota where it is a refreshing +11 degrees Fahrenheit...
Good information!!!
Thanks Blackie
Excellent video blackie you've done it again
Thank you sir,good info☕️☕️👍
A great explanation, never ever thought about this, so I learned something new today. Knew about cylinder gap an fouling, but cylinder lockup is something I never considered. Thx for the vid Blackie
Glad to help
Blackie, Thanks for sharing your knowledge and wisdom on the percussion revolver video you have taught me a lot on this subject. Thanks Again. You Are The Master Woodsman and Bushcrafter. Tim L.
thank you very much
thanks sir this is great informati
So nice of you
Great video.
A comment about maximum cylinder gap. The gap ought to be measured with the cylinder pressed firmly to the rear. Neither the bolt nor the ratchet hand provide any significant force to hold the cylinder forward at the moment of firing. What I mean is the cylinder will slam fully to the rear at the instant the ball & wad & burning powder begin to move forward, even before the ball exits the chamber.
For example, if you were standing in the middle of a stationary row boat and decided to move quickly to the front of the boat to jump out, the boat would begin moving backwards as soon as you move forward. That's just the conservation of momentum.
Good info .
God Bless
Blackie, a $20 bill is roughly 4.5 thousandths. A typical sheet of paper is roughly 4 thousandths.
good information
Thanks
Great video! That clears up alot of questions!
Always good tips Blackie.
glad to do it
Thanks 👍
Welcome 👍
Hello Blackie- you mentioned some good points here to take a mental note of. I guess some people dont think that powder escaping could cause any issues, but its good to know what to look for when things start acting up. Thanks for the vid Blackie-
thanks for watching
Thank you for explaining this help me out alot
Thanks, Blackie. That's good info.
Any time!
I was wondering why the cylinder bolt had that shape, i always thought it would be better if it was just a solid peg, had no idea walkers were that way. Always a good day when i learn something i didnt know this morning, thanks Blackie!
glad to help
I'm always interested in these tips on the Black Powder revolvers, I have quite a few and some I have converted to .45 Colt. I just picked up and Uberti 3rd model Dragoon (it's a beast) a few days ago and am waiting on my order of Slixshot nipples to install in it. I know there will be issues like the loading lever falling so I will have to address that if it becomes a problem. Thanks Blackie!
i will be doing a video on the dragoon soon and in a future one i will talk on the tips to help the latch hold better
Great video ! 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
thank you
Now I have to find a USD.
Thanks for the great tips!
Great video Blackie enjoy your knowledge on these pistols
glad to help
Good demonstration with the $20 bill.
I have always been told 2-2.5 thousandths is the neighborhood you wanna be in
Good video thank you for the information
my pleasure
You can get a Nagant revolver, it doesn't have this. It uses uncircumcised ammo :D
lol true the cyl is cammed forward on those to fire
After much fitting I finally got between 3 and 4 thousand s gap on mine is that ok ? Good video
Blackie, I have a Griswold & Gunnison that had a gap between cylinder and barrel. How can I fix that? The gap isn't bad, but I am not going to shoot it until I get it fixed. PS, It was like that when I got it and I haven't fired it.
I love this series and I own one. I think you also need to take up hipoints
lol maybe
Hey Blackie👋🏼 I hear about chain fire, you know when a spark ignites a cylinder, but what I don't understand is, how the spark actually reaches the powder if when you load the ball it seals up the cylinder by leaving the ring of lead?
That's what happens when you don't get a tight seal. It's often caused by people using undersized balls (for example using .451 instead of .454 in a .44 caliber revolver). Or, the chamber mouth is eroded from too much use or lack of maintenance, so that even a .454 ball is too small (this can be mitigated by just switching to .457 ball). A lot of people think the grease they put over the ball is meant to prevent chain fires, it's not. That just lubricates the gun so that BP fouling doesn't stick to the metal and harden, although it can help prevent a chain fire if you fail to get a tight seal. Using a wad can help you get a tight gas seal and improve accuracy as well.
Also, some chain fires come from the rear, not the front. Make sure your nipples are not worn out and that your caps are the proper size. Some people use caps that are too large for their gun and they just crimp the sides so they don't fall off. Don't do this! It leaves space for sparks to enter and set it off. For my Walker and Dragoon, I've found that Remington no. 10 caps are perfect. CCI no. 11 caps are too big and fall off.
correct if a chamber is not true round a little gap can be left and the high pressure flash can get in often #11 caps on smaller nipples can do that as well since when you pinch them they no longer round and a gap is left for a flash to enter
Please comment on the topic of short arbors in reproduction Colt percussion revolvers, specifically whether it's desirable to eliminate any gap that exists in a properly assembled revolver between the front end of the arbor and the bottom of its bore in the barrel assembly. The one in my late-60's era Uberti Colt 1860 Army comes about 1/16 inch short of bottoming in the arbor bore. I'm thinking that one benefit of closing that gap would be to prevent inadvertent narrowing of a proper cylinder gap by over-tightening the wedge. I've seen several videos about preparing new revolvers for shooting that have much good information about deburring, eliminating cap jams, etc., but none that address this topic. Your thoughts?
I've been shooting and repairing Colt type percussion revolvers for years. Yes, if the arbor does not bottom out solidly inside the barrel lug, the cylinder gap and the point of impact will shift depending on how tight the wedge was driven in. Using a split lock washer between the end of the arbor and the bottom of the hole in the barrel lug doesn't really solve the problem. The spacer must be solid.
When properly adjusted, the arbor bottoms out in the arbor hole & the barrel lug contacts the frame & the cylinder gap is .005 to .010, all at the same time. When everything is fit together properly like this, tapping the wedge in hard or soft won't make a difference.
I have a quesion, I have a Pietta 1861 Army, and have been using .454 balls and getting a nice ring of lead when loading balls. I have alarge stoc of .457 balls which I would like to use, but I,m afraid that it would cause more pressure in cylinder and possibly damage gun or myself..What is your opinion? I tried a few times to load them, and it required extreme effort to load..
once they load they are all the same size so a 451 454 457 will swage down to 449 of the chamber size so it is just harder to load and sometime will shoot and group better with the larger rb cause it produces a wider driving band when the lead was shaved off in loading
Just received a cap an ball pistol. That belong to my father. In need of a class when or you going to give another class
slightly off subject but on the shotgun video you had harbor freight hollow punches, i looked on their website and it didn't give any sizes does the set you have come with a 5/8ths punch Blackie?
My first bp gun was my Pietta ‘58 Remington. While it is fun to shoot, the fun runs out after about two cylinders because the fouling makes it very difficult to cock the gun…needing two hands to help turn the cylinder while cocking the hammer. Never had any problem with my Colt repros. This happens with any propellant and whether bullet/ cylinder is lubed or not…including the spindle. Can you please address this? Thank you sir!
I had the same issue with a '58 Rem years ago. After about two or three cylinder-fulls, I had to use my off hand to help turn the cylinder. Solved the problem by trading for a Colt replica.
You can cut grooves around the cylinder pin and load it up with bore butter or whatever your preferred natural grease you use. ( like a mix of beeswax and olive oil) That should help some with the fouling.
The gap on my 51 has been adjusted close to .003 and I never have problems with fouling. The gap on my 1958 is close to .01 and lets so much fouling out, the cylinder will stop rotating after a dozen or so rounds. Is there a way to adjust the 58 to tighten up the cylinder gap?
to my knowledge only a good gunsmith who can remove barrel and re thread it to come in deeper and then trim to fit cylinder
@@BLACKIETHOMAS Thanks! Ya that's what I feared. Lol!
I guess I'll just end up tig welding some material and build it up. I already own a throat reamer do to manufacturing defects. Pietta screwed up the timing notch on the 58 frame that year I guess. I went to EMF and and 6 different 58 revolvers, and 20 different cylinder combinations and they were all wrong.
Thanks for all you do for the Blackpowder community!