FIRST DRIVE: Alpine A290 - New Hot Hatch Champion?

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

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  • @TopGear
    @TopGear  Месяц назад +55

    What do you think: is the new Alpine A290 the car to save the hot hatch?

    • @JaapRood
      @JaapRood Месяц назад +2

      I sure hope so. Either this or the Mini. I’m ready for a way more engaging drive after years in something with double the power and way more range, but also so boring.

    • @neelsduplessis1591
      @neelsduplessis1591 Месяц назад +16

      Nope.

    • @burkaanc
      @burkaanc Месяц назад +5

      stopped being interested after "front wheel drive" not interesting in wrong wheel drive cars, there is no reason for evs to be wrong wheel drive and only 0.3 sec faster to 100kmh than my volvo estate

    • @wiggly1
      @wiggly1 Месяц назад +4

      Do you just say the car is "well priced" in the video conclusion?! £38k for a relatively weedy 217hp. That's hardly affordable fun for the masses, probably the most key characteristic of a hot hatch.

    • @Horton138
      @Horton138 Месяц назад +5

      @@burkaanc use your brain, it's a hatchback. Front wheel drive is very much standard for hatchbacks.

  • @BenGoodbrand
    @BenGoodbrand Месяц назад +449

    38K? They'll sell tens of these!

    • @thejfg7741
      @thejfg7741 Месяц назад +22

      People buy on finance and monthly affordability. The actual price of the car is rarely what people pay. You’ve been slightly caught out in not understanding that.

    • @BenGoodbrand
      @BenGoodbrand Месяц назад +33

      @thejfg7741 come back after these have been on sale for a year and tell me who's been caught out.

    • @thejfg7741
      @thejfg7741 Месяц назад +4

      @ but that’s not what I am saying. People don’t walk into a dealer and pay the asking price… lease or PCP is how they own the car. That’s the crucial point. If it’s 40k but the monthly price is affordable, then people will buy it.

    • @BenGoodbrand
      @BenGoodbrand Месяц назад +18

      @@thejfg7741 my comment stands. They will sell so few of these that any argument over paying upfront or through finance is moot. A sale is a sale regardless of how or when the payments are made. People are not as silly as you think...they can still see value, or lack thereof.

    • @thejfg7741
      @thejfg7741 Месяц назад +7

      @ but your original point was about the actual entire cost. Which is not how most people buy vehicles. You can for example lease an ID Buzz for relatively reasonable monthly payments because the lease is based on residuals. And the Buzz is a 60k vehicle potentially. If you’re now saying they won’t sell many of these, that o don’t know. I’d buy one personally but the real world range will be below 200 and that would be my main gripe

  • @paulhancock
    @paulhancock Месяц назад +312

    Would I take one over a GR Yaris? Absolutely not but it's a step in the right direction and it's a really cool and desirable object... Not just a soulless electrical appliance. Good job!

    • @ll01dm
      @ll01dm Месяц назад +20

      GR yaris has a huge waiting list and is 11k more tho. I'm not sure if they are in the same category

    • @thedirtyscotTV
      @thedirtyscotTV Месяц назад +5

      @@ll01dm Agreed, not the same category. I do think this particular car is priced a wee bit too high, and it's not a hot hatch. If this is a hot hatch with 150hp per ton then an MX-5 is fast in a straight line with 145hp per ton.

    • @Ellis01234567890
      @Ellis01234567890 Месяц назад +11

      If it's electric it is most definitely NOT a step in the right direction. The futre should be efuels. Not electirc cars that have less than 10 year useable lifespans. Not saying that electric cars don't have a place, just saying they cn't possibly be the future.

    • @heyanewsunset6713
      @heyanewsunset6713 Месяц назад +4

      ​@@ll01dmFor the price of a Yaris GR you can even buy two Alpine A290's in my country so buying a hot hatch on petrol is hardly an option anymore.

    • @martinogold
      @martinogold Месяц назад +2

      @@heyanewsunset6713 That's a sensible country. EVs are the way to go.

  • @oskar6661
    @oskar6661 Месяц назад +81

    You hinted at why in your first sentence...the "affordable" part. No modern "hot hatch" approaches being affordable. Companies all got carried away with performance, expensive seats, huge wheels, expensive tires, tech, fancy lighting/interiors, power figures, etc.

    • @TheImperfectGuy
      @TheImperfectGuy Месяц назад +6

      The death of Suzuki Swift Sport absolutely demolished the lasting bastion

    • @Giuliana-w1f
      @Giuliana-w1f Месяц назад +6

      I'd trade off all of the fancy stuff for lower weight and price. I don't want electric adjustable heated/cooled seats, i want a sporty car

    • @billymays7210
      @billymays7210 Месяц назад +2

      It amazes me how many people completely forget about inflation. Guess what a 2003 VW GTI started at? $19k. Guess what a 2024 GTI starts at? $32k. Guess what $19k in 2004 is in 2024? $32k. The prices have literally only followed inflation. They are just as affordable now as they were 20 years ago. Sounds like you should be complaining about your job?
      Real estate, on the other hand, has NOT followed inflation, so in that sense, it does affect what cats you CAN afford.

    • @TheImperfectGuy
      @TheImperfectGuy Месяц назад +3

      @billymays7210 you addressed the cost of housing problem already and hinted at wage usually not being up to speed with inflation.
      Both of contributes that the "if you account for inflation cars are technically cheaper now" argumentative falls apart from average Joe's perspective.
      If you can't afford it be you're already getting screwed up two ends, you don't care that the higher price technically represents less value!
      It's still not affordable

    • @billymays7210
      @billymays7210 Месяц назад +1

      @@TheImperfectGuy First of all, I didn’t say they are cheaper now. Second, I am an average Joe, and a brand new GTI was a massive purchase for me in 2004, but a brand new GTI in 2024 isn’t too bad at all. My wages have kept up with inflation, which any good job should do at the very least. Where I live, the GTI went up roughly 70% in the last 2 decades. Minimum wage has gone up roughly 140% in the same span.
      Housing affordability is a different story as it is really dependent on timing. (Luck) Where I live, houses were the same price in 1990 as they were in 2000, with massive fluctuations in between. Houses were the same price in 2007 as they were in 2017, with massive fluctuations in between.

  • @existentialselkath1264
    @existentialselkath1264 Месяц назад +294

    So it's power, 0-60, and weight, is comparable to a Nissan leaf, but it's almost 40k! How is this a hot hatch?

    • @thesupremekai1980s
      @thesupremekai1980s Месяц назад +12

      This is accurate.

    • @magnustan841
      @magnustan841 Месяц назад +48

      I don't know, how about trying to chuck a Leaf around some bends at speed? I don't think it'll be very nice and does it have the brakes to cope?

    • @VictorioLopes
      @VictorioLopes Месяц назад +57

      ​@magnustan841 unfortunately "enthusiasts" nowaday only care about power and 0-60.

    • @ChR0nos_7734
      @ChR0nos_7734 Месяц назад +22

      better (stiffer) suspension, better brakes, better standard tires,....

    • @GreatistheWorld
      @GreatistheWorld Месяц назад +9

      yeah but you’re leaving out the leaf kinda sucks and is a Nissan

  • @andrewtingate6658
    @andrewtingate6658 Месяц назад +12

    As far as being a hot hatch goes, it seems like it does it well. The days of 1.6 turbos are gone sadly but this and the ioniq 5 N are only the beginning of electric hot hatches and im actually happy they're trying it, instead of just killing them off.

  • @homiefizzle5260
    @homiefizzle5260 Месяц назад +395

    217 HP for £33k is ridiculous, I know power isn't everything, but it's not like it's offering a super engaging experience either...

    • @shittysolutions
      @shittysolutions Месяц назад

      38k for 217hp, not 33k :(

    • @wiryantirta
      @wiryantirta Месяц назад +72

      I mean 217hp would've been plenty in a hot hatch that weighs like an actual hot hatch from ten years ago.

    • @matthewcoleman8267
      @matthewcoleman8267 Месяц назад +74

      You only get 178bhp for the 33k, you need to spend 38k for the 'full' 217bhp.

    • @thedirtyscotTV
      @thedirtyscotTV Месяц назад +30

      ​@@wiryantirta Yep, it needs more power as it weighs 1500kg. With that weight, this is luke warm at best due to poor power to weight ratio.

    • @JaapRood
      @JaapRood Месяц назад +25

      You buy an engaging and fun drive, not a horsepower figure, with this Alpine.

  • @LorenzoTuratti
    @LorenzoTuratti Месяц назад +45

    If there was an Alpine version planned since the beginning, why wasn't the R5 built with a rear-engine/rear-wheel drive? With an EV, everything is simpler, and the Alpine would have made much more sense

    • @chenille28
      @chenille28 Месяц назад +2

      They did that with the Twingo, and it's shitty to drive.
      In Europe, 99% of the people have no idea how to handle a rear wheel driven car. So it was a more sensible choice to stick with the front wheel drive.
      Which is sad, because I'm looking for a fun affordable sport car with rear wheel drive and there is... only the Mazda MX-5. And it is now about as expensive as this Alpine, with 40bhp less (but 400kg lighter)...

    • @Neojhun
      @Neojhun Месяц назад +5

      @@chenille28 But VW ID.3 and Cupra Born are Rear Motor RWD. Quite sure those are for Europe, they don't even sell them in North America.

    • @boazspronk3819
      @boazspronk3819 Месяц назад +6

      The original renault 5 alpine was fwd as well, so it makes sense imo

    • @yousausage
      @yousausage Месяц назад

      Imagine how many people would die with that being RWD?

    • @tiagobelo4965
      @tiagobelo4965 Месяц назад

      ​@@yousausagenot many, its an EV with TC, ESC, all the fancy shmancy stability stuff
      smarts were extemely short, rear engined and rear wheel drive, and they weren't dangerous in any way

  • @dominicrusho
    @dominicrusho Месяц назад +172

    ABSOLUTE GARBAGe it should have a V12 with 1000BHP and cost £8k max 👎

    • @magnustan841
      @magnustan841 Месяц назад +2

      @@dominicrusho haha! Dream on

    • @mikedelicus
      @mikedelicus Месяц назад +10

      …and it should offer 3.000 km range and 5 tons towing capacity

    • @GolfGti-g8x
      @GolfGti-g8x Месяц назад

      😂😂

    • @yunseosextras
      @yunseosextras Месяц назад

      Dream about it broski, a V12 will never fit

    • @yunseosextras
      @yunseosextras Месяц назад

      ​@@mikedelicusBLA BLA BLA dream about it broski

  • @SabotsLibres
    @SabotsLibres Месяц назад +8

    The first Clio RS was a 138PS sub 1-tonne, sub 8-second hot-hatch. Now over thirty years later, the A290 GTS weighs over 50% more, and therefore needs nearly 60% more power to drop the 0-62 acceleration another 1½ seconds...

  • @kindface
    @kindface Месяц назад +31

    And its little brother, the Renault in yellow absolutely nailed it in aethestics too for 10 grand less.

    • @deadkemper
      @deadkemper Месяц назад +1

      he said that at the end.

  • @AngusRShamal
    @AngusRShamal Месяц назад +5

    Every review complain about the "high" curb weight of this Alpine, even though it's one of the lightest in it's segment.
    So I thought, let's look up some specs of the hot-hatches you've mentioned here - just for fun:
    Golf GTI mk8: 1381-1501 kg
    Golf R mk3: 1476-1562 kg
    Hyundai Ioniq 5 N: 2194-2248 kg (EV)
    Toyota GR Yaris: 1,110-1,280 kg
    Honda Civic Type R: 1429 - ? kg
    Abarth 500e: 1,410 - 1720 kg (EV)
    Mini Cooper SE JCW: 1670 - ? kg (EV)
    Alpine A290: 1,479 - 1579 kg (EV)

    • @hernonsenka
      @hernonsenka Месяц назад

      Yes, but now compare it with same size rivals such as GR Yaris, Fiesta ST, 208gti(at least last), i20n, last Clio RS. They will have almost same power but ~300kg less.
      Lightweight cars gives much more fun on lower speed, even if they dont have a lot of power. Bigger car can be much more capable on medium and high speed corners, but require you to be more expirienced driver to get to this speeds.

    • @billymays7210
      @billymays7210 Месяц назад

      1) There is no such thing as a MK3 Golf R
      2) The GTI, Golf R, Hyundai, and CTR are NOT in the same segment, they are all the next size up.
      3) Only the Abarth, Mini, & GR are in the same segment. The GR is substantially lighter, and the other 2 are also way too heavy.

  • @IncoG8
    @IncoG8 Месяц назад +29

    Not a bad looking thing, but i like the look, of the front, of the normal Renault 5, way better. Those X running lights on the Alpine, just looks off, and the missing Renault badge too. The normal wide daytime running lights on the stock Renault 5 is spot on.

    • @TheImperfectGuy
      @TheImperfectGuy Месяц назад +1

      those X lights might work if you they'd have to a round frame, but I guess no one dares to put some as outwardly cute as round eyes on a perform version these days

    • @ghostridertom
      @ghostridertom Месяц назад +1

      In person it is quite OK, it is like a hologram style light, looks fine. Price should be 7.5k lower to really be attractive.

  • @westwalian1018
    @westwalian1018 Месяц назад +7

    I drive a Polo GTI (2023) which has the same performance as the Alpine, and looks very similar in shape and size. The Polo too has that level of refinement for normal driving conditions as well as the grunt factor. Mine cost £28k last year, and the Alpine is £38k. I think for £38k I'd want something extra - perhaps more acceleration. EVs need to get cheaper.

    • @russhawker1718
      @russhawker1718 Месяц назад +1

      what car give the Polo GTI just 2 stars. Has grunt but doesn't drive like a hot hatch. This Alpine would eat the Polo for breakfast in the twisty stuff.

  • @magnustan841
    @magnustan841 Месяц назад +25

    Can’t wait for solid state batteries, but i think Renault and Alpine did a very nice job from everything I’ve seen. It’s looks great, is a good size, not too expensive for 2024 and power figures are just about right. 220hp doesn’t sound like much but I imagine that electric torque will make it feel very fast. The Corsa-e that my family rents using car sharing from time to time feels mega quick for a small hatch and it only has around 140hp and 250Nm.

    • @kristoffer3000
      @kristoffer3000 Месяц назад +1

      It's stupidly overpriced and not very.... hot.
      Hardly even lukewarm.

  • @ifirebolti2789
    @ifirebolti2789 Месяц назад +51

    *So:*
    - It costs similar to a 2023 Audi S3 (8Y) w/

    • @dirtyfl0w
      @dirtyfl0w Месяц назад +6

      new S3 costs way more than the alpine, so you cannot compare it

    • @ifirebolti2789
      @ifirebolti2789 Месяц назад +2

      @dirtyfl0w to be perfectly honest, new for new, you’re right, and I didn’t realise how expensive they’d been priced for this model year!
      I’ll requalify my statement with the caveat of a 2023 S3 w/

    • @lptomtom
      @lptomtom Месяц назад +3

      Yeah, but then you should wait to see depreciation on the A290 too: how much will it cost after 4000 miles?

    • @GolfGti-g8x
      @GolfGti-g8x Месяц назад +1

      😂😂

    • @UKTopGun
      @UKTopGun Месяц назад +3

      You can buy a Ferrari for £35k
      This post is dumb

  • @Flared
    @Flared Месяц назад +10

    I still think making this the hot version of the new R5 instead of an homage to the mid-engine Turbo seems like a missed opportunity to me.

    • @ThePedroDB
      @ThePedroDB Месяц назад

      Agreed. The 3 seat prototype with mid mounted Battery and an engine on each rear wheel could have been very special. The A290 isn't much more than a cosmetic makeover. Fit an R5 with a set of coilovers and you're pretty much there...

    • @Flared
      @Flared Месяц назад

      @@ThePedroDB I'd forgotten about the Turbo 3E concept! It was also co-developed with Ligier if I remember correctly.
      Apparently the Renault boss has mentioned that they could make a limited run of road versions if it made financial sense, which usually means that it wont happen.

    • @Razormindsplace
      @Razormindsplace Месяц назад +1

      The original "sport" variant of the R5 was the R5 Alpine, from an "heritage" stand point it makes sense (even if they just went full Alpine this time). Beside, the EV R5 and by extension the A290 both use design cues from the Turbo, and Renault current CEO wants to bring back the Turbo anyway.

    • @aegean_444
      @aegean_444 10 дней назад +1

      Nope, it was like this back in, the days :
      -"normal" Renault 5
      -Alpine Renault 5 (like the same but the sporty everyday road version)
      -Turbo Renault 5 (extreme with maxi aerodynamic kit, special car for special peoples, a niche and absolute car)
      And well, it's still the same today :
      -most peoples will buy the regular Renault 5
      -some peoples with extra money who want the high end / sporty version and exclusivity will put 10k more grants and buy the Alpine version
      -and a few will buy the Turbo3e, just announced yesterday, but those one are in another league, the car will have the Turbo / Turbo 2 maxi look, 500 HP rear well drive, probably cost 100k or whatever (who care at this point), and is more like a rally / track car for the road, when the Alpine is a road car make sporty for fun but also can be a daily

  • @pipimontana
    @pipimontana Месяц назад +47

    6.5 seconds? 😂
    Numb steering? 😂
    High floor? 😂
    I think the i3 was ahead of its time

    • @ThaDutchDK1989
      @ThaDutchDK1989 Месяц назад +1

      Wow a EV geek I see only obsessed with 0-60 🤦‍♂️ you to clock you re on the toilet ? And a i3 has bicycle size tyres . These are 2 the size in width . Who wants a i3 anyway 🤣

    • @pipimontana
      @pipimontana Месяц назад

      @@ThaDutchDK1989 the i3 came to market 2013...
      DK? dumb kiddie?
      1989? You clock coming too early?

    • @pipimontana
      @pipimontana Месяц назад

      @@ThaDutchDK1989 your fathers could have raised you better

    • @blanchimont5587
      @blanchimont5587 Месяц назад +7

      @@ThaDutchDK1989 actually the i3 was a pretty good car for what it was, it was not trying to be a sports car. watch jayemm on cars review on it, he covers it well

    • @pipimontana
      @pipimontana Месяц назад +5

      @@blanchimont5587 mass produced composite, 2013, now ancient battery technology, designed and decided 2010, great door design.
      the dutch boy from '89 doesn't get it.

  • @randomrob2221
    @randomrob2221 Месяц назад +1

    Wished they put out a petrol version of this

  • @SayakMajumder
    @SayakMajumder Месяц назад +6

    hate to say it but .. .small and fast might be the ideal combo for hot ev hatch in future
    but wish they did an ICE Alpine hot-hatch

    • @stoff3r
      @stoff3r 22 дня назад +1

      The bmw i3 is small, rwd, weighs about a tonne, and has about 190hp. Pretty descent.

    • @aegean_444
      @aegean_444 10 дней назад

      Yep I can't get enough of that oil and filters to change ever 6 month and all the rumble and noise and the smell of pollution

  • @christopherbellisario9195
    @christopherbellisario9195 Месяц назад +3

    looks like a crossover to me...needs to be about 3" lower, at least...

  • @marcakko2010
    @marcakko2010 Месяц назад +20

    Thank you for thr review nice to watch .
    For perspective the cupra born 230eboost weights is 1840kg so this alpine is 340kg lighter so Renault have done well to save that much weight thats like 4 medium adults lighter so definitely going in the right direction . The bmw i3s weights 1365kg and that has skinny tyres and very thin seats and full carbon fiber structure so Renault have done well .
    I do think though once the 4wd version of this alpine comes out with around 300bhp+ that will be the one to watch for sure as this front wheel drive version doesn't seams spicy enough for most people spending thet kind of cash.

    • @Neojhun
      @Neojhun Месяц назад +1

      There is the awesome Cupra Born VZ which is 320 hp just to the REAR Wheels. You don't need AWD BEV to have fun in the corners. That seems like the best recipe for a Hot Hatch. I don't care it's correct wheel drive, it doesn't need to be FWD to be a fun Hot Hatch.

    • @CoppertopFPV
      @CoppertopFPV Месяц назад

      ​@@Neojhun but its a cupra so itll try to crash every 5 seconds with its idiotic safety features and if it doesnt youll crash trying to reset the infotainment that has died or from looking at what the latest bong warning light on the speedi is telling you. Modern cupra is as far from a fun car as is possible

  • @junkfoodeater
    @junkfoodeater Месяц назад +14

    Really cool car for 10k less than a GTi i only wish it wasn't an EV. They could have put the old Megane RS engine and dif in this that would have been lovely

    • @liamjohnhawkins4212
      @liamjohnhawkins4212 Месяц назад +1

      A Golf GTI doesn’t cost 10k more though, it costs about the same.

  • @derkretschesven
    @derkretschesven Месяц назад +8

    38K, 6.5s, 217hp??? I get the feeling that the older combustion Hot Hatches were superior in every aspect. A young Fiesta ST would be still my way to go

    • @ThePedroDB
      @ThePedroDB Месяц назад

      Exactly. I'm sticking with my i20N..

    • @jamespatagueule4599
      @jamespatagueule4599 Месяц назад +2

      and 1500 kg... give us meganes and clios back

  • @albertperks3476
    @albertperks3476 Месяц назад +19

    Love the sound, it looks great to. That must be the first EV I've seen that I thought I would actually like to own.

    • @aegean_444
      @aegean_444 10 дней назад

      And now look at the Turbo3e version 😍

  • @richieduck67
    @richieduck67 Месяц назад +37

    38000 quid? No way Jose

    • @helipeek2736
      @helipeek2736 Месяц назад +1

      Surely it’s no way “Nicole”?

    • @peterdevreter
      @peterdevreter Месяц назад

      Why not? The golf 3 VR6 was also very expensive and nobody complained back then.

    • @GolfGti-g8x
      @GolfGti-g8x Месяц назад

      You are joking?? The vr6 was an absolute beast back in 1992 sounded amazing it was worth 19 grand back then. Tbis libtard piece of junk needs to be put in the bin.

    • @billymays7210
      @billymays7210 Месяц назад

      @@peterdevreterThe Golf could keep up with the competition…

    • @jose-Maki
      @jose-Maki 22 дня назад

      No way

  • @gileral
    @gileral Месяц назад +1

    Pity they didn't equip it with the fantastic A110 seats!

  • @sanderveenman599
    @sanderveenman599 Месяц назад +1

    So tired of car channels wanting to make us believe that 38K is "in the right place" for a tiny electric car. Its a joke

  • @abysoon
    @abysoon Месяц назад +21

    What's with the cup holders obsession ? It seems that's a typical British/American need.

    • @tubejorrit
      @tubejorrit Месяц назад +4

      indeed, I just put water in a bottle and trow it on the passenger seat or door pockets.

    • @Blo0dyMustard
      @Blo0dyMustard Месяц назад +5

      Not only them, but also every normal human being

    • @r6scrubs126
      @r6scrubs126 Месяц назад +4

      @@tubejorrit you put it on the passenger seat and then the first time you go round a corner or brake hard it falls off...

    • @tubejorrit
      @tubejorrit Месяц назад +3

      @@r6scrubs126 I can drive for 2 or more hours without the need to sip on a cup or bottle

    • @DaveSpecC
      @DaveSpecC Месяц назад +6

      @@tubejorrit so you're the reason for the smell at Leeming Bar services.

  • @xXDaNiJaJaXx
    @xXDaNiJaJaXx Месяц назад +1

    8 years ago I bought a Peugeot 208 gti by Peugeot sport for less than 20k new. This car doubles that, with almost the same power, 300kg more, and near half range... It's called progress, isn´t it?

  • @kingphiltheill
    @kingphiltheill Месяц назад +12

    Seeing it's 1500kgs, I'm so glad I bought a A110 GT. 😂
    Doesn't deserve the Apline brand sticker, should have sticked to RS nomenclature.

  • @opusgazelle
    @opusgazelle Месяц назад +1

    First glance I prefer the standard R5 looks-wise. Exciting proposition nonetheless although a low mileage A110 would tick all my quirky French exotica boxes for a few £Ks more.

  • @corbendavies6593
    @corbendavies6593 Месяц назад +48

    Someone take this, rip out the extra weight of the EV system and stick the 1.8 litre from the megane Rs in there. And it will be fixed.

    • @Neojhun
      @Neojhun Месяц назад +4

      Eww yuck, it's sad what you bunch is willing to down grade to.1.8L 4 Banger is such a sad engine to fight against BEV. Unless it's some special Turbo 6 Cylinder (preferably Inline) or V8 or better it has no place trying to compete with BEV

    • @corbendavies6593
      @corbendavies6593 Месяц назад +12

      @Neojhun clearly don't know or understand what a hot hatch is all about.

    • @Neojhun
      @Neojhun Месяц назад

      @@corbendavies6593 Yet BMW somehow fit a Inline 6 in E87 and F20 1 series. Do better if you want to compete. The classic characteristics is not worth preserving. If you truly want to screw up Hot Hatch characteristic. Could just get a Cupra Born with a tail happy lose traction control with a Rear Motor RWD Hatch. BEVs is how we bring back driving pleasure.

    • @justinbennitt835
      @justinbennitt835 Месяц назад +2

      The "extra weight" being the 50kg that this weighs more than a 2024 VW Golf GTi?

    • @ThaDutchDK1989
      @ThaDutchDK1989 Месяц назад +1

      Neojhun Calls a bmw a “ real “ hot hatch 🤦‍♂️ yet a REAL hot hatch is a car based on a simple high volume car wich is FWD . A rwd without a lsd is pointless anyway . Yet you kids don’t understand..

  • @paulgoff5068
    @paulgoff5068 Месяц назад +1

    Lovely, only 2 things stop me from asking where to sign!
    1, I have a 2021 GR Four Yaris with 13000 miles on it on my drive. Baloon payment due in about 3 weeks, I WILL be paying it. 😊
    2, I've had 5 French cars, most from new, all with very little electronics, they were all good to drive, but all prone to electrical problems.
    A French car that is ALL electric............................................😮

  • @teerbaby1074
    @teerbaby1074 Месяц назад +2

    I'd be interested in the mileage when you try to have fun on a mountain road like that.

    • @justinschultz4325
      @justinschultz4325 Месяц назад

      My experience is you lose range going up, and you gain going down via regen. Many times it washes out or close to it.

  • @alexisbendelamousseauchocolat
    @alexisbendelamousseauchocolat Месяц назад +1

    I enjoy watching Jack Rix version of TG. Of course, his team. Thank you BBC.

  • @44shibby
    @44shibby Месяц назад +4

    Can't wait to read the reports of someone accidentally pressing that red button on the steering wheel while manoeuvring in a multi storey 😂😂

    • @ThePedroDB
      @ThePedroDB Месяц назад +2

      otherwise known as the "up ramp" button... 🤣

  • @rare6499
    @rare6499 Месяц назад

    When the Abarth 500 launched in 2008/9 it cost around £13,500 brand new. That was a genuine cheap fun little car. Remember the 172 Cup? It was dirt cheap brand new. Nearly £40 grand is not hot hatch territory in my mind, that’s a whole other segment.

  • @rudymwaurah
    @rudymwaurah Месяц назад +22

    1500kg for a hot hatch? You're having a laugh.

    • @joeynessily
      @joeynessily Месяц назад +1

      Same weight as the Golf GTI

    • @rudymwaurah
      @rudymwaurah Месяц назад +5

      @joeynessily yes, and? STILL grossly overweight for a hot hatch. For reference, an Evo 9, is 1400kg.

    • @rudymwaurah
      @rudymwaurah Месяц назад +1

      @@JingleBombzz "weight doesn't really matter as much as it did then" 😂😂😂😂😂 made my evening, thank you.

    • @DaveSpecC
      @DaveSpecC Месяц назад +1

      @@JingleBombzz weight always matters.

    • @HMoyn215
      @HMoyn215 Месяц назад

      Did you see that ludicrous display

  • @petrolheadracing
    @petrolheadracing Месяц назад +2

    Give this man an oscar for this tremendous acting trying to show enthusiasm for this shitbox

  • @Zerobar78.
    @Zerobar78. Месяц назад +5

    I had a 14' Fiesta ST, great little car that was a blast to drive!

  • @niklaswejedal463
    @niklaswejedal463 Месяц назад +1

    And if you think even the Renault 5 is too expensive, pick up a Zoe R110, take it to an empty small,narrow and twisty country back road and marvel as it let you zip through the corners, like I did the other day. I bought mine to be my sensible commuter-bubble, but man, is it fun on the right kind of roads.

  • @neilwheel
    @neilwheel Месяц назад +50

    It's battery powered. It will NEVER, EVER be "hot" - unless the battery catches fire.

    • @luistiago5121
      @luistiago5121 Месяц назад +1

      lol

    • @ewadge
      @ewadge Месяц назад +5

      Yawn. Closed minded much!!??

    • @neilwheel
      @neilwheel Месяц назад

      @ewadge No. Quite the opposite in fact. That's why I'm able to call bullshit on the green agenda, the SDG scam & other assorted climate grifters and not be brainwashed

    • @r6scrubs126
      @r6scrubs126 Месяц назад +4

      boomer spotted

    • @neilwheel
      @neilwheel Месяц назад +6

      @r6scrubs126 yeah, you'd better get back into your climate fallout shelter...

  • @dgood911
    @dgood911 Месяц назад +1

    That’s a great review. Really good presenting!

  • @YanalFanio
    @YanalFanio Месяц назад +24

    The music slaps, great choice!

  • @markseeger3352
    @markseeger3352 Месяц назад +1

    I really like it, hot hatches have never been about out right power, more the way they drive and from the reviews I have seen is pretty good. I would certainly have one over the MG4 XPower, that not only looks awful but seems to be completely overwhelmed by the power it has.

    • @billymays7210
      @billymays7210 Месяц назад

      Very true about power, but hot hatches have also always been relatively light weight, so they didn’t need a ton of power to be fun.

    • @Yesterzine
      @Yesterzine Месяц назад

      @@billymays7210 It is *relatively* light weight these days though.

  • @carebox5932
    @carebox5932 Месяц назад +17

    £38,000 for that... Nope. So many better cars used or new you can get for that money. The range is also far too low for a "sporty" car... push it on a windy road and expect to get half the range or less. I mean you can get a GR Supra/m2/m3/m4/ Lexus RC F/ a110/Focus RS/ GR yaris/ GR86 / Megane Trophy R / Civic Type R etc etc for less money why would anyone buy this.

    • @larscastelijns2168
      @larscastelijns2168 Месяц назад +5

      A bit pointless to compare used cars with a new car lol

    • @louisholden5127
      @louisholden5127 Месяц назад +1

      New to new is the only valid comparison. If this depreciates like other EVs then we'll be able to get one for £15k in 4 years anyway.

  • @ivogievski
    @ivogievski Месяц назад +1

    Not making this RWD was a missed opportunity imo. Yeah, hot hatches were almost always FWD, but because of engineering constraints. In this case, it would make the car way more desirable, while being easy to implement.

    • @billymays7210
      @billymays7210 Месяц назад

      Exactly. So pointless.

    • @SaffronWorldCR
      @SaffronWorldCR Месяц назад

      Just make it AWD at this point.

    • @wizardrhyme9597
      @wizardrhyme9597 Месяц назад

      It would just add even more weight and costs to the final price tag

  • @andrzejz4218
    @andrzejz4218 Месяц назад +25

    39k for a 217 bhp hot hatch (based on entry level EV) is fair price these days? You gotta be kidding.
    Thats Model 3 RWD money, that is objectively superior in every way to this "hot hatch". I'll pass.

    • @thejfg7741
      @thejfg7741 Месяц назад +12

      But if you buy a Tesla - you’re giving money to Elon Musk and that can never be acceptable.

    • @andrzejz4218
      @andrzejz4218 Месяц назад +6

      @@thejfg7741 It's perfectly acceptable unless you think that supporting freedom of speech and lesser goverment control is bad for you.

    • @4literv6
      @4literv6 Месяц назад

      Well said!

    • @martinogold
      @martinogold Месяц назад

      @@andrzejz4218 Except Elon doesn't support free speech as demonstrated by the way he runs twitter. He just believes in it when it suits him. Tesla thrives on subsidies from erm, oh yeah the government 🙄

    • @existentialselkath1264
      @existentialselkath1264 Месяц назад +1

      A Nissan leaf can reach a similar spec for a lower price. There's nothing hotter about this besides the styling.

  • @julianlord2697
    @julianlord2697 Месяц назад

    Renault 5 Alpine in 1982, sold as Renault 5 Gordini in UK. 1400cc ohv engine tweaked by Alpine, all the hot French go faster stuff, a rocket. This thing is not the same.

  • @MrQmie
    @MrQmie Месяц назад +5

    The decline of hot hatches... It's more a small SUV...

  • @saletedeflash
    @saletedeflash Месяц назад +1

    Can you use metric units too? Thanks

  • @MM-t7p
    @MM-t7p Месяц назад +3

    Prime example of China's technology and cost advantage and why Europe is panicking with tariffs.. Ridiculous, this vehicle should be half the price!

  • @DaveC1964
    @DaveC1964 Месяц назад +1

    Will be an amazing second hand buy at 2 years old 😮

  • @sbeer
    @sbeer Месяц назад +4

    Guys am I the only one who sees a 30-40k £$€ every day car just out of every sense of budget and affordability?

  • @pauliewalnuts240
    @pauliewalnuts240 Месяц назад +1

    217hp & 0-60 in 6.4 seconds are typical hot hatch numbers. Everyone thinks EVS are fast, but as they become more affordable, they're going to have smaller electric motors to cut cost.
    They have to "wow" with impressive power now, but the models people will actually be able to afford will have modest electric motors, similar to their ice counterparts.

  • @Cpm_Neon
    @Cpm_Neon Месяц назад +17

    This is just a rebadged Renault 5

    • @Monty-sd6tc
      @Monty-sd6tc Месяц назад +3

      Isn’t that the point?

    • @ThePedroDB
      @ThePedroDB Месяц назад

      a perfect example of 'Badge Engineering'..

    • @ThaDutchDK1989
      @ThaDutchDK1989 Месяц назад +1

      A hot hatch is baised on a normal high volume car . Golf …. Gti , clio ….. rs . You live under a rock ?

    • @esm7708
      @esm7708 Месяц назад

      That's kind of the point

  • @fernandofragoso4118
    @fernandofragoso4118 Месяц назад +1

    The fact of being electric is not the problem for me. Nobody would care if it was electric but it weigh 700kg with the same distance between axis and track width. It would be mental!
    Overweight in a sports car is a turn off.

  • @LeiChat
    @LeiChat Месяц назад +6

    2020 Golf R is listed with weight of 1408kg. The Clio 182 weighed 1100kg and had a 0-62 mph of 7 seconds.
    This A290 has claimed 0-62 of 6.4 seconds.
    Turns out these EVs aren't that much heavier than the fossil fuel counterparts.
    Because the majority of the weight is lower down in an EV it potentially can drive/handle better.

    • @grb454
      @grb454 Месяц назад

      Original Alpine R5 is 900kgs and 93ch. Max speed is 170Km/h, same than this Alpine.

    • @LeiChat
      @LeiChat Месяц назад +1

      @@grb454 You cannot compare, aside from anecdotally, the weight of cars that are decades apart.
      I am grateful that Renault have delivered a relatively small and stylish fully battery electric hatchback, which is a welcome change to all the unnecessarily large and bland SUVs.

    • @DaveSpecC
      @DaveSpecC Месяц назад +2

      Bet the 182 is night and day better car to drive.

    • @LeiChat
      @LeiChat Месяц назад

      Not sure I would agree. Will let you know when I drive an A290.

    • @billymays7210
      @billymays7210 Месяц назад

      A MK8 Golf R is a foot longer, AWD, 100 more hp, 2.5 seconds quicker to 60… no, it is not on par with its “counterparts” 😂

  • @Alex-ud4tl
    @Alex-ud4tl Месяц назад +1

    How is IONIQ5 a hothatch? its bigger than Tucson or RAV4 etc. Its a practical SUV turned into a track machine.

  • @WeFixWater
    @WeFixWater Месяц назад +5

    Stopped the video as soon as I heard “full ev”

  • @niklaswo
    @niklaswo Месяц назад

    This is a serious contender to be a substitution to my current daily, Honda e. But having sat in the Renault 5 a couple of weeks ago, my 190cm is really struggling to fit comfortably.

  • @on_wheels_80
    @on_wheels_80 Месяц назад +3

    That OV button is about the most glaring safety hazard I've ever seen in a car. I just don't understand anymore what is necessary or allowed to be street legal.

    • @nickd86
      @nickd86 Месяц назад

      Why? It does the same job as the foot pedal

    • @on_wheels_80
      @on_wheels_80 Месяц назад +1

      @@nickd86 Yeah, but nobody is used to a button on the steering wheel that does full acceleration.

    • @imaweerascal
      @imaweerascal Месяц назад +1

      @@nickd86 It's difficult to accidentally floor the throttle, but I can see someone accidentally pressing that button

  • @HesteBremse
    @HesteBremse Месяц назад

    With some more power as a choice it would be nearly perfect / perhaps integrate an over boost as the button is already there. Nothing bad to say about the styling and design, it’s appealing and I’m happy to see some small EVs coming to market.

  • @alext2933
    @alext2933 Месяц назад +6

    You lost me when EV was mentioned.

  • @swoozilicious
    @swoozilicious Месяц назад

    hot hatches were hot thanks to the pricing, this is missing the point if it's costs 38K. You can get a model Y for that price which is 10x more practical

  • @zohircherifi5616
    @zohircherifi5616 Месяц назад +12

    Another disappointing electric car

    • @tooranghassemi5563
      @tooranghassemi5563 Месяц назад

      For real electric cars have no salt and feelings to them I’m not staying there, but when a car is electric, it means the car is not carrying

  • @chriswagner9573
    @chriswagner9573 Месяц назад +1

    All they had to do was put the A110 ICE powertrain in it, and all the Americans would be drooling. But meh

  • @PierCiccarelli
    @PierCiccarelli Месяц назад +5

    Embarassing for Renault….Rip Renault Sport 😢

  • @thenoobonconsole9249
    @thenoobonconsole9249 23 дня назад

    Love how he said price and performance seems about right.

  • @GripEnemy.
    @GripEnemy. Месяц назад +11

    Electric tripe, if it had an ice i would be excited as the design is cool. Such a shame how cars are butchered nowadays

    • @DorsetSaferRoads
      @DorsetSaferRoads Месяц назад +2

      Ice is dead... Get used to it.

    • @GripEnemy.
      @GripEnemy. Месяц назад

      @DorsetSaferRoads haha thats why ev residuals are as toxic as depleted uranium, the people have spoken. We dont want to drive around in dishwashers and coffee machines

    • @jeremyclares4851
      @jeremyclares4851 Месяц назад +3

      @@DorsetSaferRoadsnot completely because Porsche is still currently formulating their new Efuels and 6-stroke flat-6 engines for use by 2030 or so…

    • @tadasnever
      @tadasnever Месяц назад

      @@GripEnemy. boohoo. Get over it. Wanna ICE? Get some with cream...

    • @TheQuestionTheAnswer
      @TheQuestionTheAnswer Месяц назад +4

      ICE is not dead, electric cars are not all bad. Both formats have their place.

  • @boscochan3728
    @boscochan3728 Месяц назад +1

    0:52 I thought he's going to say, "Is this Alpine A290 going to wrap around lamp posts as well?"

  • @harkendoich2
    @harkendoich2 15 дней назад

    I actually really like the look of it,, now if they just got rid of the battery powered motor and put in a proper engine, which would also reduce the weight quite a bit,, perhaps 300kg then this would be a decent homage to the good old hot hatches of the 80's, 90's and 00's.

  • @jacobfoster9185
    @jacobfoster9185 Месяц назад +4

    Sadly the front is sinfully ugly

  • @grb454
    @grb454 Месяц назад +1

    You put the brakes on fire. How many lap you can cover before running out of juice, brakes fades or tires became slick ?

  • @EmoDKTsuchiya
    @EmoDKTsuchiya Месяц назад +5

    EV nonsense 😂

  • @dalexa
    @dalexa Месяц назад

    All I have to say is that Renault did a terrific job in this car. You can trully see a R5 in some shots, specially from the side.

  • @onyedikamicheal349
    @onyedikamicheal349 Месяц назад +3

    This is what we call cool car❤

    • @jaughnekow
      @jaughnekow Месяц назад +1

      but the base model price is too much

  • @Whatshisname346
    @Whatshisname346 Месяц назад

    I’m a big fan. Power isn’t everything, especially with a small front wheel drive car. It seems to have been made with an eye for detail and how we actually use cars most of the time.

  • @Hello_there_obi
    @Hello_there_obi Месяц назад +7

    Looks awful. And no one wants an ev hot hatch that weighs 1.5 tonnes 😅
    Fun to drive? No because it’s an ev (so no noise or gear change) and weighs far too much (so worse driving dynamics and braking feel)
    Practical? Not really since it’s range is so awful which mean’s you’re more at the mercy of charging stations.
    Cheap? The entire point of the hot hat was cheap thrills. This is not cheap. £15k is cheap.

    • @alexanderdelia8771
      @alexanderdelia8771 Месяц назад +2

      Any modern hot hatch weighs pretty much the same and costs the same, regardless of fuel.
      Welcome to the 2020s.
      Have you bought yourself a pint lately?

    • @4literv6
      @4literv6 Месяц назад +1

      Yup my 2013 ford focus st2 was over 3,380# with fluids, but no passengers. It cost over 30k back in 2013 dollars and was slower than this 0-60mph!
      Ad a real motor 270-300hp+and a semi solid state or solid state pack to this? Taking off 100-150kg. And it would be a right little pocket rocket imo!

    • @Hello_there_obi
      @Hello_there_obi Месяц назад

      @@alexanderdelia8771 not quite. This thing is more like 1.6 tonnes with fluids. A GR Yaris is 1.3 tonnes. Still a bit porky but nowhere near as bad. And it will go further.

    • @martinogold
      @martinogold Месяц назад

      It looks nice and I quite fancy one.

    • @Hello_there_obi
      @Hello_there_obi 10 дней назад

      @@4literv6 A battery never takes off weight. It always adds weight. And you'd lose the noise and gears too. That's a huge chunk of the fun gone!

  • @willemschell
    @willemschell Месяц назад

    Seeking some advice in the comments: I am picking a new company car in January 25. Needs to be EV. Used to drive a Peugeot e208 GT. Was a lovely little car. Only issue was I never got more than 200-250 km’s out of the battery. Now the obvious choice for me as a car-nut would be to go for the Renault 5 or Alpine A290, however it has the same battery and fast-charging capacity as my old Peugeot so doesn’t really feel like an upgrade. I’m also looking at Volvo EX30 or Mercedes EQA (which has almost twice the range). But they do seem a bit boring compared to this Alpine.. what to do..

  • @naz2468
    @naz2468 Месяц назад

    I've always thought that the salary sacrifice lower tax is why alot of manufacturers are going EV to reduce the end monthly deduction but still make sales, and thats exactly why these will probably do ok. Hell I'm interested in it as a fun new car that's not just a run of the mill crossover

  • @MaxEngelberts-sr4lr
    @MaxEngelberts-sr4lr Месяц назад

    Did he say affordable or avoidable?
    These car prices nowadays are bizar.
    For example, in the Netherlands a new Toyota Yaris GR performance starts at €82.000 thats £67.250, its absolutely absurd.

  • @StanGuru
    @StanGuru Месяц назад +1

    Zesty middle aged women are going to love this!

    • @billymays7210
      @billymays7210 Месяц назад

      I see a lot of their comments here 😂

  • @pierrebernard7665
    @pierrebernard7665 Месяц назад

    On Alpine's website it says the top speed is 170 KpH. This had better be a bad joke...

  • @thewireman134
    @thewireman134 Месяц назад +2

    I'm happy with my hot hatch Chevy Bolt!

  • @peterdevreter
    @peterdevreter Месяц назад

    I want this very badly. Would be a nice addition next to my green petrol cinq from the 70's :)

  • @somerandomfella
    @somerandomfella Месяц назад +2

    Maybe in 5 - 10 years time there's a big leap in battery tech and they're not so heavy.

    • @EmoDKTsuchiya
      @EmoDKTsuchiya Месяц назад

      And dangerous

    • @thejfg7741
      @thejfg7741 Месяц назад +3

      @@EmoDKTsuchiyathey’re not dangerous. Stop being silly

    • @nickd86
      @nickd86 Месяц назад +2

      ​@@EmoDKTsuchiya yeah because driving round sat on 50 litres of flammable liquid is completely safe 🤦

    • @EmoDKTsuchiya
      @EmoDKTsuchiya Месяц назад

      @@thejfg7741 Ever seen one of them burn? Takes way more water to put the fire out on top of each individual cell basically being it's own explosive. Firefighters have to go through an entirely new training regimen to tackle these vehicles.

    • @EmoDKTsuchiya
      @EmoDKTsuchiya Месяц назад

      @@nickd86 That's a brilliant comment. Have you even bothered to check out why I'd say such a thing?

  • @DwainDwight
    @DwainDwight Месяц назад

    this is what I want to see. reviews of sensible affordable cars. thanks TG

    • @paulaus
      @paulaus Месяц назад +1

      Is this sarcasm?

  • @scrublord1468
    @scrublord1468 Месяц назад

    Why is this not just called the renault 5 turbo E? This is not an alpine, I don't think it would sell poorly being a Renault either, they have good hot hatch pedigree.

  • @jc1982discovery
    @jc1982discovery Месяц назад

    I was expecting a higher power output being electric, it’s definitely enough but not that enticing compared to what ICE hot hatches offer.

  • @XeXeX86na
    @XeXeX86na Месяц назад +1

    The market says "no another electric car 🙏"

  • @grigorioschristodoulou5229
    @grigorioschristodoulou5229 5 дней назад +1

    Anyone remotely interested in cars should buy a used F87 M2, Megane RS, Type R or GR Yaris for a lot less money. Dealers will definitely appreciate its design while frequently dusting them off.

  • @Elenir-e9j
    @Elenir-e9j Месяц назад +1

    amo assistir esses vídeos muito bom ❤

  • @mellofello808
    @mellofello808 Месяц назад

    What was stopping them from giving it 50-100 more HP? Isn't it just a matter of a bigger motor?

  • @stu1wyatt
    @stu1wyatt Месяц назад

    Good review but new brand Alpine? It's been around for decades and has great history

    • @billymays7210
      @billymays7210 Месяц назад

      It hasn’t “been” around for decades. It was dead for decades and it is recently back.

  • @stitcha123
    @stitcha123 Месяц назад

    Looks lovely. The end.

  • @bjhbjhbjhweeee
    @bjhbjhbjhweeee Месяц назад +1

    hyundai has shown that regenerative braking allows them to run multiple times around the circuit even with heavy electric cars. The game has become more sophisticated. This car is below par, to be honest.

  • @Lukey-jy4ez
    @Lukey-jy4ez 13 дней назад

    May I ask what roads you are driving, pls?

  • @ThePilotGear
    @ThePilotGear 7 дней назад

    I like it a lot...but I'm not sure I love it. I think that massive and think battery pack kinda ruins its looks where the belt line is way too high. I'm not a fan of the added racy-inspired styling over the regular Renault5. Hopefully when batteries slim way down, this could be better proportionned because I love hot hatches and EVs.