I think Superman has an underrated rouge gallery. They actually put up a threat towards him without kryptonite and they make the man of steel question his morality.
Honestly given what starts of the whole injustice events, would've made more sense to use Manchester himself instead of the joker, seemed more in line with MB since he's usually one to push Superman to break his morals (See Action Comics 775: What's so funny about truth, justice, and the american way/Superman vs the Elite and the Ending battle storyline.)
I could see him joining either side tbh depending what happens to him “I always knew you had it in ya. Now you finally understand what real justice is.” “No…. NO! This isn’t what you do!”
I love the movie, Superman Vs The Elite. Manchester Black had gave Superman a tough time with his way of killing criminals in the name of justice which is not the way to do it. I am not certain how Batman will react to Superman pretending to kill the members of the Elite just so he can show the world that violence is never the solution. Superman: There's always that Kryptonite that you carry around. Batman: You don't get to joke! Not today! I just took a bullet for you!
MB is great as Superman's Joker. Someone who wants to prove that even the Man of Steel will cross the line, just to justify all the terrible things he's done and convince the world, and himself, that good people do have to do terrible things.
One of my favorite DC villains. I wish you had given "The death of Lois Lane" story-line more time where Manchester realizes that he's become nothing but a worthless supervillain and redeems himself by ending his own life.
I disagree with the assertion that a man named "Manchester Black" is definitively from Manchester. If Captain Boomerang isn't from Australia, then ALL bets are off.
@Judah James Ah. The black supremacist who justifies his beliefs with baseless conspiracy theories about "black Mozart and Shakespeare". Why do you feel the need to artificially elevate your race? Are you that insecure?
Fans reaction to him reminds me of the Blue Raja in Mystery Men. They hear "Manchester black" and think it means black person. It completely ignores the British punk origins. He's based off of Johnny Rotten of the SeX pistols. I'm not saying he couldn't be a black British person, but cliche cookie cutter black character with a union Jack flag symbol because reasons is so much less than the ideals and cynicism of the British punk movement given the powers of a God against the ideals of the American dream.
Yeah the punk side of him was part of his character and in his original appearence was definitely, at the time, the hip cool and dark modern direction lots of comics were going while Supes was put as the relic. Punk though is now in the past and been put through the commercialization ringer as nothing more than the stuff Hot Topic used to carry until they went all anime and cartoons. He would need a redesign for some NEW underground scene from the current era I think.
@@bluecanine3374 i agree with you about the state of punk music, but i disagree with you about the portrayal. The character was created in the late 90s/ early 2000s, so the underground punk scene was as overshadowed by the pop punk style then as it is today by modern music. Johnny rotten died in the 70s and Manchester Black was more a representation of The Misfits/ Stooges/ Velvet Underground/Sex Pistols era which was looking dead by the 90s. The commentary was that the vigilantary, anti-authority, disillusionary to the American ideals attitudes were as coincidentally outdated as the American ideal itself. The story's title was "what's so funny about truth, justice and the American way?" As for today, the underground youth movement today is partisan authoritarian, which is a completely different message. Today's writers are depicting Batman as antifa supporting, superman denying his citizenship, Captain America on an apologizing tour fighting a motivational speaker Red Skull and MODOK is Donald Trump. Any modern depiction loses the universal message of rebellion against the norms with good intentions isn't always better. Again, he can be black and British, but the point it's he's a idealized nihilist corrupted with good intentions and it's supposed to be reflected by his style. I may be sensitive , but that's because it's my absolute favorite comic growing up. The main story was interspersed with short stories of superman helping real people like a cop who would wear a superman shirt under his kevlar getting shot or a cancer survivor wearing a superman cape I'm getting misty thinking about it. .
Basically Manchester is supposed to be a dig at the British writers like Warren Ellis and Mark Millar doing Post-Modern comics that criticize American Superheroes. Manchester is the head honcho because of that, also modeled with British punk ideals in contrast too. Manchester is lovable because he can be badass but ultimately also kinda pathetic.
Imagine if they STOPPED RACE SWAPPING the comic characters and left them all the ORIGINAL RACE as drawn by the artists . Just imagine how much more awesome the comics and comics based shows would be .
@@andreahughes1155I hate to shatter your dreams of scouring points by falsely accusing people of being racist but I'm Native American . You sjw types should really open your minds up to the fact that just because someone has a different opinion doesn't make them a racist . You should go look up a gentleman named Harold Courlander . He is the author of a book named The African which is one of several books that Alex Haley plagiarized from when he wrote the book Roots . Harold Courlander sued Alex Haley for $500,000.oo in a plagiarism law suit and won . Also look up a lady named Margaret Walker Alexander . She is the author of a book named Jubilee which is another book that Alex Haley plagiarized from for materials to use in his book . 90% of Roots is plagiarized with the only truth to it being that Alex Haley used his family members names in the place of the main characters in the books that he plagiarized materials from . BY YOUR LOGIC anyone can buy out the right to use these same materials from the families of the authors of these two books and change the race of the main characters to white and have them working as forced labor under horrible conditions on a black person's farm . Just imagine that .
@@andreahughes1155 What if it was a black character race swapped to a white one? Wouldn't you claim not caring then is racist? Also this is about sticking to the original interpretation. Skin color is part of that, it's not racist
Wow. This Manchester Black is a really powerful being. And since Superman can't go up against magic, it seems as though Manchester Black is using magic to defeat Superman. You know this Manchester Black, the man that was seen on that non animated video could be a great DC MULTIVERSE action figure. With a few accessories to come with him.
This is the smallest & most relatable start to understanding the way domestic terrorists turn trauma into violence. The true issue is waaay bigger and nuanced but, we gotta start somwhere
*Manchester Black is a RIPOFF Of Jenny Sparks* Infact his team, 'The Elite', are nothing more then a ripoff of The Authority, the comic book series created in 1999 by Warren Ellis and Bryan Hitch for Wildstorm comics. Manchester Black is a brit with a fowl mouth and a lot of power - Jenny Sparks is a brit with a fowl mouth and a lot of power (Electricity). The Hat is a ripoff of the Authrotries The Doctor. Vera Black is a ripoff of The Engineer. Bunny (there ship) is a ripoff of the Carrier, which even uses the same transportation technology. The Elite were 'created' by Joe Kelly, who hated what Warren Ellis' Authority represented. The Authority were at the time in 1999 created as a darker alternative to mainstream comics, showing heroes in the authority being more brutal, think 'The Boys' before it became a thing. Characters like Midnighter, Apollo and Jenny Sparks would beat the shit out of and kill supervillains, kill despot leaders and pretty much gave reason why they were called the Authority (Also the comic was one of the first openly gay couples in Apollo and Midnighter, 20 years before DC had a balls to try that). Joe Kelly hated the Authority, because they stood against the principles of what Superman represented, so he created The Elite, stealing concepts from Warren Ellis, and had Superman's method heroism being the be all and end all, Basically Joe Kelly giving the middle fingers to Warren Ellis. So yes, Manchester Black and The Elite are just ripoff of Jenny Sparks and the Authority, because someone didn't like superheroes killing their enemies. I mean its not like there would ever be a concept like that today... OOOOH WAIT!
@Warlok It was, I sound the Jenny Sparks era of the Authority the best. But the writing did decline down the line. I felt like it was a much needed and daring break from the norm back in 1999, seemed they took risks in making it and even pissed of certain people. But the way comics are these days if the authority released today it wouldn't stand out like it did back then.
In the extras on "Superman- The Elite" Blu-Ray, Joe Kelly, writer of both the comic and screenplay, contradicts this statement. He's a big fan of The Authority. He just wanted to explore Clark's reaction to such an ultra violent group existing in the DCU. BTW, The Authority was published by DC thru it's Wildstorm imprint.
He did. Superman was holding back the whole time for his fight with the team and setting it up to fake killing them in front of the world only to go "psyche!" and beat their asses when he got a little serious. As for the one with Superboy, I haven't read it but assume he had to be careful with his son being around fighting for Black and trying not to unintentionally hurt him
Manchester is the strongest character because:
-He is Bri’ish
-That’s all
I think Superman has an underrated rouge gallery. They actually put up a threat towards him without kryptonite and they make the man of steel question his morality.
If you haven't seen the cartoon that it's from.. I highly recommend it.
It's a GREAT story.
Manchester black would be awesome if played by either Karl urban or Idris Elba or even that guy who played brainac in smallvile and spike in Buffy
James Marsters
Your suggestions… no. James Marsters, yes.
You know misfits?actor called Joseph Gilgun, he would be an amazing Manchester Black
The guy who played Kol mikaelson on the originals would be great. He got the accent that black would most likely have
Then in a The Boys crossover we can have Karl Urban fighting a greenscreened in version of himself with psychic powers.
Imagine if Manchester black and his pals were in the injusticeverse
Honestly given what starts of the whole injustice events, would've made more sense to use Manchester himself instead of the joker, seemed more in line with MB since he's usually one to push Superman to break his morals (See Action Comics 775: What's so funny about truth, justice, and the american way/Superman vs the Elite and the Ending battle storyline.)
He would've been amazing.
@@BioMega96he could use his psychic abilities to trick Superman w/o fear toxin
Yeah, but I could see them fitting right in with the regime with their ruthlessness towards their enemies.
I could see him joining either side tbh depending what happens to him
“I always knew you had it in ya. Now you finally understand what real justice is.”
“No…. NO! This isn’t what you do!”
I love the movie, Superman Vs The Elite. Manchester Black had gave Superman a tough time with his way of killing criminals in the name of justice which is not the way to do it. I am not certain how Batman will react to Superman pretending to kill the members of the Elite just so he can show the world that violence is never the solution.
Superman: There's always that Kryptonite that you carry around.
Batman: You don't get to joke! Not today! I just took a bullet for you!
Manchester black torturing my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy was freaking insane.
MB is great as Superman's Joker. Someone who wants to prove that even the Man of Steel will cross the line, just to justify all the terrible things he's done and convince the world, and himself, that good people do have to do terrible things.
One of my favorite DC villains. I wish you had given "The death of Lois Lane" story-line more time where Manchester realizes that he's become nothing but a worthless supervillain and redeems himself by ending his own life.
Just cause his name is Black doesn't mean you need to be so on the nose in casting him
This is actually quite a cool character
Especially considering every new character coming out of DC these days is just a fusion of two existing characters.
Wow great character review 👍👍👍 Next time will be Liverpool Orange 😁😁😁
I disagree with the assertion that a man named "Manchester Black" is definitively from Manchester. If Captain Boomerang isn't from Australia, then ALL bets are off.
He’s actually from London
Race swapping Manchester Black, I didn’t expect anything less from the CW
now he is black for real
@Judah James
Ah. The black supremacist who justifies his beliefs with baseless conspiracy theories about "black Mozart and Shakespeare".
Why do you feel the need to artificially elevate your race? Are you that insecure?
Well he is now “Black”.
At least he was played by a British actor
@@bisayafascist5725 sounds like typical Hollywood racism.
Fans reaction to him reminds me of the Blue Raja in Mystery Men. They hear "Manchester black" and think it means black person. It completely ignores the British punk origins. He's based off of Johnny Rotten of the SeX pistols. I'm not saying he couldn't be a black British person, but cliche cookie cutter black character with a union Jack flag symbol because reasons is so much less than the ideals and cynicism of the British punk movement given the powers of a God against the ideals of the American dream.
Yeah the punk side of him was part of his character and in his original appearence was definitely, at the time, the hip cool and dark modern direction lots of comics were going while Supes was put as the relic.
Punk though is now in the past and been put through the commercialization ringer as nothing more than the stuff Hot Topic used to carry until they went all anime and cartoons. He would need a redesign for some NEW underground scene from the current era I think.
@@bluecanine3374 i agree with you about the state of punk music, but i disagree with you about the portrayal. The character was created in the late 90s/ early 2000s, so the underground punk scene was as overshadowed by the pop punk style then as it is today by modern music. Johnny rotten died in the 70s and Manchester Black was more a representation of The Misfits/ Stooges/ Velvet Underground/Sex Pistols era which was looking dead by the 90s. The commentary was that the vigilantary, anti-authority, disillusionary to the American ideals attitudes were as coincidentally outdated as the American ideal itself. The story's title was "what's so funny about truth, justice and the American way?"
As for today, the underground youth movement today is partisan authoritarian, which is a completely different message. Today's writers are depicting Batman as antifa supporting, superman denying his citizenship, Captain America on an apologizing tour fighting a motivational speaker Red Skull and MODOK is Donald Trump. Any modern depiction loses the universal message of rebellion against the norms with good intentions isn't always better. Again, he can be black and British, but the point it's he's a idealized nihilist corrupted with good intentions and it's supposed to be reflected by his style.
I may be sensitive , but that's because it's my absolute favorite comic growing up. The main story was interspersed with short stories of superman helping real people like a cop who would wear a superman shirt under his kevlar getting shot or a cancer survivor wearing a superman cape I'm getting misty thinking about it. .
Basically Manchester is supposed to be a dig at the British writers like Warren Ellis and Mark Millar doing Post-Modern comics that criticize American Superheroes. Manchester is the head honcho because of that, also modeled with British punk ideals in contrast too. Manchester is lovable because he can be badass but ultimately also kinda pathetic.
Can you do coldcast next the guy who almost killed superman
I wonder if naming him Manchester White would've made a difference.
All I got from this was the live action Supergirl must have been the worst show ever
Imagine if they STOPPED RACE SWAPPING the comic characters and left them all the ORIGINAL RACE as drawn by the artists . Just imagine how much more awesome the comics and comics based shows would be .
Imagine caring about skin color like a racist. As long as the character is the same person noone should care.
@@andreahughes1155I hate to shatter your dreams of scouring points by falsely accusing people of being racist but I'm Native American . You sjw types should really open your minds up to the fact that just because someone has a different opinion doesn't make them a racist . You should go look up a gentleman named Harold Courlander . He is the author of a book named The African which is one of several books that Alex Haley plagiarized from when he wrote the book Roots . Harold Courlander sued Alex Haley for $500,000.oo in a plagiarism law suit and won . Also look up a lady named Margaret Walker Alexander . She is the author of a book named Jubilee which is another book that Alex Haley plagiarized from for materials to use in his book . 90% of Roots is plagiarized with the only truth to it being that Alex Haley used his family members names in the place of the main characters in the books that he plagiarized materials from . BY YOUR LOGIC anyone can buy out the right to use these same materials from the families of the authors of these two books and change the race of the main characters to white and have them working as forced labor under horrible conditions on a black person's farm . Just imagine that .
@@andreahughes1155 What if it was a black character race swapped to a white one? Wouldn't you claim not caring then is racist? Also this is about sticking to the original interpretation. Skin color is part of that, it's not racist
@@varvariiin It wouldn't be problem. Didn't they add "multiverses" in both DC and marvel? The comic purity culture is freaking wierd.
@@varvariiin "original interpretation". Hilarious that anyone can interpret anything however they want considering fallacious reasoning is a thing.
He actually comes back in Superman and the authority.
Wow. This Manchester Black is a really powerful being. And since Superman can't go up against magic, it seems as though Manchester Black is using magic to defeat Superman. You know this Manchester Black, the man that was seen on that non animated video could be a great DC MULTIVERSE action figure. With a few accessories to come with him.
Remember, it's Truth, Justice, AND THE AMERICAN WAY, because the American way is SUPPOSED TO BE a better tomorrow.
This is the smallest & most relatable start to understanding the way domestic terrorists turn trauma into violence. The true issue is waaay bigger and nuanced but, we gotta start somwhere
Vinny Jones should play Manchester Black !!
Haha his concenious got transferred into a cow 🐮😂😂😂
hhe's powerful - thats a cool nitch - protecting aliens against domestic citizen violence
He would be great as an antagonist to Man of Steel two
Thats a tattoo btw not a shirt
Manchester Black is without doubt my favorite anti hero.
Lobo tho
@@ReggieNoble1089 Yeah he is a cool one, but I just prefer Manchester Black more.
Wait till you meet John Constantine.
@@AManChoosesASlaveObeys He is an epic character as well.
Was so ready then that annoying voice came on like damn this video just got ruined
I want to see Marvel U.K. on shelves and i have only seen a few Marvel U.K. comics on shelves!!!!
Wish they reviewed the comic version and not the cartoon. I mean, it's a good cartoon, but the comic was slightly more interesting.
The comics also have the giant Libyan gun monkey.
Wow this is so crazy, I'm just on the episode on supergirl talking to Manchester Black.
*Manchester Black is a RIPOFF Of Jenny Sparks*
Infact his team, 'The Elite', are nothing more then a ripoff of The Authority, the comic book series created in 1999 by Warren Ellis and Bryan Hitch for Wildstorm comics.
Manchester Black is a brit with a fowl mouth and a lot of power - Jenny Sparks is a brit with a fowl mouth and a lot of power (Electricity).
The Hat is a ripoff of the Authrotries The Doctor.
Vera Black is a ripoff of The Engineer.
Bunny (there ship) is a ripoff of the Carrier, which even uses the same transportation technology.
The Elite were 'created' by Joe Kelly, who hated what Warren Ellis' Authority represented. The Authority were at the time in 1999 created as a darker alternative to mainstream comics, showing heroes in the authority being more brutal, think 'The Boys' before it became a thing. Characters like Midnighter, Apollo and Jenny Sparks would beat the shit out of and kill supervillains, kill despot leaders and pretty much gave reason why they were called the Authority (Also the comic was one of the first openly gay couples in Apollo and Midnighter, 20 years before DC had a balls to try that).
Joe Kelly hated the Authority, because they stood against the principles of what Superman represented, so he created The Elite, stealing concepts from Warren Ellis, and had Superman's method heroism being the be all and end all, Basically Joe Kelly giving the middle fingers to Warren Ellis.
So yes, Manchester Black and The Elite are just ripoff of Jenny Sparks and the Authority, because someone didn't like superheroes killing their enemies. I mean its not like there would ever be a concept like that today... OOOOH WAIT!
@Warlok It was, I sound the Jenny Sparks era of the Authority the best. But the writing did decline down the line. I felt like it was a much needed and daring break from the norm back in 1999, seemed they took risks in making it and even pissed of certain people. But the way comics are these days if the authority released today it wouldn't stand out like it did back then.
In the extras on "Superman- The Elite" Blu-Ray, Joe Kelly, writer of both the comic and screenplay, contradicts this statement. He's a big fan of The Authority. He just wanted to explore Clark's reaction to such an ultra violent group existing in the DCU.
BTW, The Authority was published by DC thru it's Wildstorm imprint.
@@rodneyseabrook8222 wildstorm wasn't owned by DC 20 years ago, they brought wildstorm and funneled all its assets into DC
@@MrOrcshaman Uh, sorry but DC bought Wildstorm back in 2000.
What's sad is that all those Wildstorm characters are DC now and they're going to waste.
I’m calling bs. Superman should’ve wiped the floor with them
He did. Superman was holding back the whole time for his fight with the team and setting it up to fake killing them in front of the world only to go "psyche!" and beat their asses when he got a little serious.
As for the one with Superboy, I haven't read it but assume he had to be careful with his son being around fighting for Black and trying not to unintentionally hurt him
It's a comic trope that invincibility has a psionic hole until said character can overcome it.
Can you do a video on attuma from marvel
It's a story recap..
Second
I like this movie
noice
wow thats interesting
What show was that? The live action show
Supergirl has the character set as a black man
what is the name of the animated film?
Superman vs. The Elite