Two of my highschool teachers were engineers in this project. One was at one point the head of the team responsible for turret rotation electromotors. He said it was really fucking complicated, since the accuracy suffered due to gears being too big (meaning, the rotation wasn't as smooth as they liked). Other one was responsible for the engine power drive system. Always loved hearing their stories about it. One of them even went to Kuwait, when they were selling the M84 and BOV to them. Must have been good times.
Yeah, many very unassuming people that you see today were involved in some very advanced things back in the days. I heard a story of a professor in Ljubljana, who is an expert in radios and antennas. Apparently he was offered a job in NASA (must have been in the 80's) and he declined, not wanting to have anything to do with "those jokers" :)
@@69vrana Some parts in this tank must be very good for instance a Fotona the producer of a main gun (laser) aiming device got unpleasant surprise back in 2000/02 (dont remember exactly) when they went to the military fair in the Turkey, their newest aiming device for russian/sovietes typ of tanks was without explanation detained at Turkish custom (Nato member) and then returned to the Fotona dismantled only 1 day before the fair was ended. Soon after Slovenia become a Nato member Slovenian goverment as an owner sold Fotona company to the US buyer without any reasonable explanation, there is no development in military stuff in Fotona since.
One of my highschool teachers was working on this project aswell, he was working on presentation of the tank in China( Inner Mongolia) and on some tank competition in Pakistan where our tank was proven the best out of others for Pakistan needs. He was working on aiming electronics and was a gunner on some presentations I think. He showed me his video from China on youtube, but Im unable to find it unfortunately.
Da hrvoje tito je vaš zato je odlučio da se sklapa kod vas jer niste bili uključeni u ništa.verovatno zato što su vam saveznici izgubili pa ste patili.prvi tenk je napravljen u srbiji gradu mladenovac u firmi petar drapšin koja je do kraja devedesete pravila i izvozila klipove blokove motora hilzne za Mercedes.
@@nenadzivanovic8347 O čemu ti meljes? Kakve veze to ima s mojim komentarom. Komplementirao sam naratora videa, niti spominjem tita ni jugoslaviji niti išta politički. Odi lijeći tu svoju iskompleksiranu glavu.
Talking to some of the vets here you would think this thing had the same mythical status as the WW2 tiger. One notable encounter with one of the few mostly completed models (due to most of them being in refits at the start of the balkan wars) had the infrantry ambush spend 12 rounds of various AT (mostly RPG-7 and domestic "zolja"). The first half a dozen didn't do much to phase it until they finally got around it, managed to disable its gun with a lucky hit, then one of its tracks and finally one of the hits knocked smth out at the engine as that finally cut out. The crew was still alive and unhurt and after a tense standoff the two sides negotiated and allowed the serbian crew to fall back.
Interesting story, do you know where it happened? As far I know the rpg 7 and M 80 zolja weren't really effective against the m 84 tank. I don't know about the m 79 osa. But the hj 8 would just shred it!
@@TheWedabest M 79 was a better tool it was a licensed French launcher, probably would done better, because none of Yugo tanks had an active armor installed
Surviving hits from a couple hits from old rocket propelled grenades vs the Tiger being able to take unlimited front hits from most of the most modern tanks of the era is not on the same level.
@Marko Perunić samo na trpinjskoj ih je uništeno nekoliko desetaka,postoje snimke pa ne možeš pričat o Hrvatskoj propagandi. Prije bi rekao srpska propaganda o neuništivosti i hrabrosti sna!
@@markocetina2175 malo je cudno da srpska propaganda velica tenk dok hrv ga ruzi a sam tenk je zajednicki prorojekat pravljen u celoj jugoslaviji... Tenk kao tenk ni jedan nije neunistiv i najbolji danasnji tenkovi ne mogi izdrzati napad kumulativnom sa boka ili od pozadi a kamoli tadasnji
Out of all non-soviet warsaw pact T-72s, this was by far the most capable. The Yugoslavs did an extensive modification to the baseline T-72M, unlike those produced in Poland, Czechoslovakia etc. The latest M84s, though only a technological showcase thus far, looks more capable than any T-72Czm4, PT-91, Moderna etc, as it's essentially a cheaper T-90, equipped w
I think the Soviet reluctance to allow Yugoslavia licence production came mainly from the fact they considered Yugoslavia a pro-western country even if it was socialist and didn't want the tank's plans to en up in US hands the very next day. The explanation "it was too complex to produce" was likely just an excuse.
@@DelijeSerbia Yugoslavia was closer to the west then Soviet union. At least population sentiment was like that. Besides, west have already been giving weapons to Yugoslavia before, after 1948. changes in relationship. More or less Russia was not popular but America was among common folks.
@@removedot No, but it would be able to use the specifications of the T-72 to design improvements for the M1A1 and weapons that would be more efficient at destroying the T-72.
I have a suggestion for your tank and armored vehicle video organization, you could create playlists for individual countries and their respective vehicles and it would look uniform on your playlists section as most of your videos have similar thumbnails, just my two cents. Other than that, all i wanna say is, you make extremely good and in depth content on armored vehicles that totally deserves more attention.
The M-84A4 already uses an electric turret traverse isntead of Hydralic, same with laser warning recievers. Also not sure but I think that it also has the new gearbox, or it was at least in consideration. EDIT: Slovenia has upgraded its M-84A to M-84A4 along with Croatia. Hence the cooperation with the fire controll upgrade. EDIT2: A Croatian speaking in detail about the stats of the M-84A4. Sadly I heard that the content creator passed away. But Captions in English work. So you have this review fully subtitled.
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@@TanksEncyclopediaYT Sadly I doubt I have much to add, apart from a wacky vehicle based on the TM-170 for which I have some material of. Sadly I am yet to translate it to English due to personal matters.
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT Hello Stan! I have added a link to the PT-91 "Twardy" source. It covers the current offer of the tank manufacturer Bumar Łabędy - model PT-91M2A2 which is the one most likely Polish MOD will choose for the upgrade program of "Twardy". The page is in English. Manufacturer WWW and shows already made fully functional tanks made for exhibition purposes - nice photos. The title can confuse, the case is about PT-91 "Twardy", not T-72M1. Nobody will pump such an amount of money into such a poor, old tank. www.bumar.gliwice.pl/en/strefa-militarna/o/modernizacja-pojazdow-typu-t-72-do-standardu-m2 I've also sent you an e-mail, check it out.
What a treat, a Cold War tank of my favorite licenced European origin. Please keep these up. The silhouette of the T-64A, T-80BT-72A/M1/B, and BMP1/BWP1 are the best and nothing later came even close. Apart maybe from T-90MS/S, T-80BVM, PT-16, PT-91M2A2, and magnificent M-84AS1. M-95 Degman isn't bad looking tank either.
Cro M84A4 is an upgrade from the A3 version, which was also an upgraded version. Now we are waiting for the A5 (or D) version. Serbian AS1 and AS2 are 2 different upgrading versions that are not compatible. Look position of ERA and CIWS on the body of the tank.
Late JNA armored brigades had two three 30 tank batallions + one company in a mechanized battalion. Mechanized brigades had two similar tank battalions and two mechanized battalions for some 80 tanks. Some battalions had 40 tank strength, but it was rare. So no, brigades did not have 40 tanks, only some (rare) battalions.
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The DD factory which is on the Bosnian border, in one city which is now split by the river border, only assembled the final product. Parts were and still are made all across Yugoslavia.
I love these videos and this channel so much. I wonder, do you guys publish books about tanks? (Perhaps an actual tank encyclopedia or maybe one for each nation?) because I would buy every single book if so
Mi smo sa krajnjeg jugoistoka Srbije,Pirot je grad otisli sa 80 tenkova,zavrsli zadatak oko Zemunika i okoline Zadra,izgubili dva vojnika, i svi i sve kompletno vratili u kasarnu,tako da iskustva su razlicita.
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT For one, laser gun sights. They were produced by Fotona, cupple of hundred meters away from where I lived at the time. It was the first laser range finder outside Nato, in mid 80's. Company got sold few years back to american hedge fund, for 18mil$, and was resold, without any investment, to chinese corporation for 265mil$. There were so many upgrades on M84, one can only talk about T74 beeing taken as a start.
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Croatia still hasn't decided to buy new west MBT or modernize the M84A4 on M84D It is planed to modernize 42 tanks on D standard and buy 42 new tanks(Leopard2A7,M1A2 Abrams and so on...)
No such plans exist. The numbers will remain, and the M-84D upgrade pack was abandoned in favor of a slight overhaul ("revision", they call it). The MoD has announced it's intention to modernize the tank following the completion of the revision program in 2021, though no information on what that upgrade standard is going to be has been released to the public, and neither has any contract been signed. It seems likely that a diminished form of the "D" upgrade pack will be done, if any kind of modernization even goes through - and seeing the state of Croatia's defence budget, it's not at all a done deal.
They should add a Serbian sub-branch to the Russian tech tree, just like Japan should have gotten a South Korean sub-branch to provide them with a viable top tier MBT, the K2.
In all honesty besides the fleet, Yugoslavia would make up for an interesting tech tree planes and ground forces wise, you could continue the modern line up with successor states projects
Would love to see a video on the new "Serbian Armata" tank, the prototype М-20UP-1. Very little info exists, but everything out so far looks truly impressive.
@My You Yes, but we have enought combar drones, mulitrole jets, and top 1 world wide howitzers to cut your whole country like a hot knife through butter.
M20UP1 Is great but would cost 5 milion Euros so only if another country would buy 100 -140 could Serbia buy maybe 30-40 because price would drop a little.
@@aramisone7198 That's exactly what the plan is from what I've read. The tank would only start the production of an actual prototype, and the more importantly, the machinery and purchase of technology needed to create the tank, if a foreign investor, most likely a rich Middle Eastern nation that already had and still has contracts with the nation of Serbia & Yugoimport (United Arab Emirates & Iraq are the two most likely candidates), would pre-order the tank, which would allow procurement of everything needed to get a working model made, and eventual production. The issue these days, compared to a year ago when my post was made, is the war in Ukraine, which has isolated Serbia completely from its main military technology & armament supplier, Russia. Serbia is an island surrounded by an ocean of NATO nations, which make it impossible for Russia to even provide weapon systems already paid for, such as the Pantsir-SM1the A-220 57mm turrets for the Lazanski Heavy IFV (HIFV) project, and about 250 more Kornet ATGM's (40-50 delivered before the war/sanctions) for infantry use and possibly to be used to study how to incorporate and develop the necessary systems for the Kornet ATGM to be retrofitted onto vehicles that are still armed with domestically modernized versions of the Malyutka ATGM which have been developed into tandem-charge ATGMs but still have the slow speed of the original Malyutka. This has caused Serbia's military to either wait for sanctions to lift, buy Chinese weapons instead, or to have a bordering NATO nation like Hungary, who has remained the closest relationship with Russia, only behind Turkey, to allow Russian planes to pass thru their air space, but due to them being landlocked as well, would mean a deal with Romania Bulgaria, or Greece, would still have to be made. The longer the sanctions go on, and the more pain Europe feels from the sanctions, due to the lack of affordable natural gas, the more likely a deal to allow Russian planes to once again pass thru NATO & EU airspace will happen. The final option which has been floated around is to pay China to have its military fly a cargo plane into Russia, pick up the Serbian purchased systems, fly them back to China, where the plane would then fly from Chinese airspace to Serbia. China has already delivered it's FK-3 (export version of HQ-22 long range air defense system... FK-3 = 100km range / HQ-22 = 170km range) using its heavy lift cargo aircraft, the Xi'an Y-20, which proved Serbia had a runway capable of handling such a massive transport plane, meaning it wouldn't take too many trips to get everything that was ordered, with the Pantsir-SM1 being the largest.
Stumbled across your channel and am really enjoying it overall but with one thing which makes it very difficult for me; it would be really helpful (and perhaps for others but I'm only speaking for myself) if you would work on a more casual or conversational enunciation and cadence when reading your script. With nearly every sentence you speak, you enunciate in a very stilted manner with too much emphasis on the words at the end of the sentence. Frankly it's so annoying I cannot watch more than one video in a row without a break. Other than that, I again do appreciate all of the hard work and information you provide! (And I will continue watching)
Imamo priliku vidjeti u Ukrajini otprilike što bi se dogodilo "Balkanskoj Zvijeri" na modernom bojištu uz prisustvo modernog protuoklopnog oružja. PUFFF!!!
I dont think the door cares if it get penetrated by APFSDS Catastrophic explosion happened mainly caused by direct hits to the ammunition in the first place.
Bio sam mehaničar na M-84A/AB/A4. Licenca je kupljena od Čehoslovačke, Čehoslovački i M-84 su bolji od Sovjetskog orginalnog T-72. Kuwait je kupio nekoliko desetaka M-84, i dalje ih koriste. Ovaj video ima puno netočnih podataka I was a mechanic on the M-84A / AB / A4. The license was purchased from Czechoslovakia, the Czechoslovak and M-84 are better than the Soviet original T-72. Kuwait has bought several dozen M-84s, and continues to use them. This video has a lot of inaccurate data
Opšte je poznato da je Kuvajtu prodato oko 200 tenkova i da je licenca bila sovjetska. Takođe je poznato da je tehnička dokumentacija došla sa određenim "nelogičnostima" koje su nam otežale da izradimo tenk. Ovo se sve nalazi na internetu, samo treba potražiti 😉
Just read that Serbia sold a load of T55 tanks to Pakistan. Plans to substantially upgrade then, and deploy them on there Western border. It seems that not very many brand new tanks are being made round the world. Most nations choosing today upgrade current models.
Clever play of Tito using the M in the name, thus favorising and playing a western tune (usa M designation in tanks) whilst building a soviet machine. Exactly what tito and yugoslavia were, a unique form of western communism
M is simply standing for "Model" preceding the Year, for all weapons inYugoslavia, as eg. for M48, famous Mauser based rifle, redisigned in 1948, etc. so You should stop to look for politics in everything.
The Yugoslavians were too good for their own good. That's why Germany helped the Croatians to rebel and the rest is history. Yugoslavia had very capable heavy industry and lower production costs, compared to Germany. Also, talks were made in order for Yugoslavia to enter the EU. Germany couldn't allow that to happen. Divide and Conquer at its simplest form.
oil, pharma, tank, car, ship production + on the verge of their own supersonic aircraft. domestic production for own needs and export. Yugoslavia almost had it...
I think most people would take a BMW or a Mercedes over a Yugo (which they had to build off a FIAT). Between a 1980 BMW M1 vs a 1980 Yugo I would certainly take the BMW M1.
@@removedot at least you could choose from affordable, economic relaible, domestic and foreign. most man would choose rs line but they can only drive dacia or clio instead :D
@@removedot Do you remember what happened when the first Japanese cars were imported to Europe? Everyone was laughing at them. Some years after, European countries had to impose taxes on them, to keep their car industries alive. Korean cars; the first Hyundai I saw was terrible. Now Hyundai, Kia, and Daewoo produce fine cars. Not everyone can buy a BMW or a Mercedes, but everyone is interested in a cheap, well-made car. And Yugo with the Florida model showed that it was on the right track.
OP your narration is fine, and at parts quite interesting. But you linger too long on each image. If you are doing a montage of still images they will get dull fast unless you add a lot more and probably some several second long film bits in there too, (or your audience will be bored and tune out). That is how I would do it.
You got some facts wrong: All tanks were exported to Kuwait by 1991., last tanks were produced in Croatia in 2003. and all Croatian tanks were modernized to A4 Sniper - the biggest improvement is the new fire control system (SUV), the installation of a better stabilizing mechanism of the target device and the main cannon, a laser rangefinder etc
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT one of the sources for Kuwait export www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/umjesto-na-vukovarskom-bojistu-tenkovi-zavrsili-u-kuvajtu/339451.aspx ruclips.net/video/cliLGfYOZvM/видео.html ruclips.net/video/X6NhW6zId7U/видео.html
I've heard from a Croatian friend that Tuđman (Croatian president) turned a number of m84 tanks away from the defense of Vukovar so he could complete the Kuwait order. Not sure if this is true or not
Did you know that the top speed is over 120 KPH in battle mode? i.e. by taking off the speed governor which is located at the acceleration pedal? Now you know.
Interesting topic as the AS42 Italian vehicle also was. But sorry your strong accent is to hard to listen until the end. Maybe sounding like Germans talking Italian, for your Rats. -Why don‘t you ask a native speaking student to talk?
Znaš da nije jugosa to jest srba koji su recimo izmislili struju telefon.nikola tesla i mihailo pupin.pljačkali sete istok sa raznim blagom da bih posle plaćali te istočnjake da vas unapređuju i prave mnoge nove izumeo.takođe litijum sku bateriju srbin izmislio u fabrici vrata.mnogo je toga da bih ti nabrajao.
After this be sure to take a look at the M-95 "Degman" and M-91 "Vihor" I'd guess it would be an interesting albeit short video seeing as only prototypes were built.
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"Unity Peace and Brotherhood" Yugoslavia: YAY "1 year just before it fell apart" Serbia, Croatia, Kosovo, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Slovenia, and Macedonia: yay?
The West would do anything to keep the former Yugoslav republics at each other's throats. First it was CIA funding of Croatian nationalism and Kosovar Islamism, going so far as to involve the same people who would later go on to become infamous when involved with Al Qaeda. Then it has been sanctions, then the bombing campaign. Nowadays, it is the EU and NATO who actively intervene at any sign of unity. There are now surreptitiously funded neo-Nazi groups in Croatia and Slovenia, betraying the memory of the sacrifices the Yugoslav people made to win back every metre of ground from Nazism, paid for in blood. Yugoslavia always looked westward for its cultural influences. Well, NATO country spies are influencing people now, and it's not in a way to honour those years after World War 2 when Yugoslavia stood astride East and West, and sought to build a non-aligned movement that found brotherhood in sovereignty of nations.
@@joskojansa1235 well yugoslavia fell apart and this tank is being produced and modernized in Serbia rn Bosnia and Croatia are still using the old variants so its Balkan
@@MonMalthias your speaking nonsense serbian terrorist army destroyed yugoslavia by attacking Croatia kosova bosnia slovenia who gained independence it was all serbs fault trying to steal neighbors land to make big serbia which will never happen
FFS, there was no "Yugoslav civil war". There were four separate wars, and the only common thing in all four was Serbian aggression. How difficult is it to comprehend that and call things the way they are?!
@@markocetina2175 Znaci trebali smo prihvatiti drzavu u drzavi? Ali cekaj malo, pa i VI ste imali drzavu u drzavi, u Jugoslaviji.... Znaci opet je hrvatska agresija, kako god okrenes.
Two of my highschool teachers were engineers in this project. One was at one point the head of the team responsible for turret rotation electromotors. He said it was really fucking complicated, since the accuracy suffered due to gears being too big (meaning, the rotation wasn't as smooth as they liked). Other one was responsible for the engine power drive system. Always loved hearing their stories about it. One of them even went to Kuwait, when they were selling the M84 and BOV to them. Must have been good times.
Very interesting!
Yeah, many very unassuming people that you see today were involved in some very advanced things back in the days. I heard a story of a professor in Ljubljana, who is an expert in radios and antennas. Apparently he was offered a job in NASA (must have been in the 80's) and he declined, not wanting to have anything to do with "those jokers" :)
@@69vrana
Some parts in this tank must be very good for instance a Fotona the producer of a main gun (laser) aiming device got unpleasant surprise back in 2000/02 (dont remember exactly) when they went to the military fair in the Turkey, their newest aiming device for russian/sovietes typ of tanks was without explanation detained at Turkish custom (Nato member) and then returned to the Fotona dismantled only 1 day before the fair was ended.
Soon after Slovenia become a Nato member Slovenian goverment as an owner sold Fotona company to the US buyer without any reasonable explanation, there is no development in military stuff in Fotona since.
One of my highschool teachers was working on this project aswell, he was working on presentation of the tank in China( Inner Mongolia) and on some tank competition in Pakistan where our tank was proven the best out of others for Pakistan needs. He was working on aiming electronics and was a gunner on some presentations I think. He showed me his video from China on youtube, but Im unable to find it unfortunately.
The M-84 is a very cool tank. Personally, I consider it to be superior to the T-72, even though they look the same.
Narrator said Đuro Đaković remarkably well. Congrats.
@@mikehoare6093 i was comenting on the pronunciation, not the state of the company.
Da hrvoje tito je vaš zato je odlučio da se sklapa kod vas jer niste bili uključeni u ništa.verovatno zato što su vam saveznici izgubili pa ste patili.prvi tenk je napravljen u srbiji gradu mladenovac u firmi petar drapšin koja je do kraja devedesete pravila i izvozila klipove blokove motora hilzne za Mercedes.
@@nenadzivanovic8347 O čemu ti meljes? Kakve veze to ima s mojim komentarom. Komplementirao sam naratora videa, niti spominjem tita ni jugoslaviji niti išta politički. Odi lijeći tu svoju iskompleksiranu glavu.
Talking to some of the vets here you would think this thing had the same mythical status as the WW2 tiger. One notable encounter with one of the few mostly completed models (due to most of them being in refits at the start of the balkan wars) had the infrantry ambush spend 12 rounds of various AT (mostly RPG-7 and domestic "zolja"). The first half a dozen didn't do much to phase it until they finally got around it, managed to disable its gun with a lucky hit, then one of its tracks and finally one of the hits knocked smth out at the engine as that finally cut out. The crew was still alive and unhurt and after a tense standoff the two sides negotiated and allowed the serbian crew to fall back.
Interesting story, do you know where it happened? As far I know the rpg 7 and M 80 zolja weren't really effective against the m 84 tank. I don't know about the m 79 osa. But the hj 8 would just shred it!
@@TheWedabest yeah, the RPG-7 depends on which ammo type was used and where it was hit. But the M80 is essentially an M72.
@@TheWedabest M 79 was a better tool it was a licensed French launcher, probably would done better, because none of Yugo tanks had an active armor installed
@@altergreenhorn oh yeah. 79 mm. It did a lot damage
Surviving hits from a couple hits from old rocket propelled grenades vs the Tiger being able to take unlimited front hits from most of the most modern tanks of the era is not on the same level.
Well researched! So far the best summary I've seen on YT.
Očigledno uz domaću pomoć, vidi se po izvorima. Neka, I treba.
Hvala puno!
@Marko Perunić samo na trpinjskoj ih je uništeno nekoliko desetaka,postoje snimke pa ne možeš pričat o Hrvatskoj propagandi. Prije bi rekao srpska propaganda o neuništivosti i hrabrosti sna!
@@markocetina2175 malo je cudno da srpska propaganda velica tenk dok hrv ga ruzi a sam tenk je zajednicki prorojekat pravljen u celoj jugoslaviji... Tenk kao tenk ni jedan nije neunistiv i najbolji danasnji tenkovi ne mogi izdrzati napad kumulativnom sa boka ili od pozadi a kamoli tadasnji
Out of all non-soviet warsaw pact T-72s, this was by far the most capable. The Yugoslavs did an extensive modification to the baseline T-72M, unlike those produced in Poland, Czechoslovakia etc. The latest M84s, though only a technological showcase thus far, looks more capable than any T-72Czm4, PT-91, Moderna etc, as it's essentially a cheaper T-90, equipped w
Very well explained and i like the picture choices too! 🇷🇸
Thank you comrade!
@@kameni9156 Nevem ti da ti nevem, sto ne pricate srbski da svi razmiju. :D
@@mladenjovicic8691 Nije do mene prijatelju 😉
I think the Soviet reluctance to allow Yugoslavia licence production came mainly from the fact they considered Yugoslavia a pro-western country even if it was socialist and didn't want the tank's plans to en up in US hands the very next day. The explanation "it was too complex to produce" was likely just an excuse.
Not pro western but an alternative to Soviet socialism.
@@DelijeSerbia Yugoslavia was closer to the west then Soviet union. At least population sentiment was like that. Besides, west have already been giving weapons to Yugoslavia before, after 1948. changes in relationship. More or less Russia was not popular but America was among common folks.
You think the US was going to drop the M1A1 to make a copy of the T-72? By that time the US had already made measurements of the T-72.
@@removedot eh, it's more for the TDP for armor and fire control, and things like armor penetration of the gun and ammo combination
@@removedot No, but it would be able to use the specifications of the T-72 to design improvements for the M1A1 and weapons that would be more efficient at destroying the T-72.
I love the constant content!
We upload 4 articles every week, however only a few are made to yt videos
@@pavelalexe9254 well it takes quite a while to records audio
@@palmsa4363 i know, then we have to edit it and then i have to make the video
When describing the tracks, you forgot to mention track-tensioning...oh, wait, you're not The Chieftain XD
:D
I have a suggestion for your tank and armored vehicle video organization, you could create playlists for individual countries and their respective vehicles and it would look uniform on your playlists section as most of your videos have similar thumbnails, just my two cents. Other than that, all i wanna say is, you make extremely good and in depth content on armored vehicles that totally deserves more attention.
We'll have a look at doing that, but it is more probable we'll go by era than by nation
The M-84A4 already uses an electric turret traverse isntead of Hydralic, same with laser warning recievers. Also not sure but I think that it also has the new gearbox, or it was at least in consideration.
EDIT: Slovenia has upgraded its M-84A to M-84A4 along with Croatia. Hence the cooperation with the fire controll upgrade.
EDIT2: A Croatian speaking in detail about the stats of the M-84A4. Sadly I heard that the content creator passed away. But Captions in English work. So you have this review fully subtitled.
Nice video, keep it up💪🏻
Can't wait for the M-91 that could follow the M-84 Article.
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@@TanksEncyclopediaYT Sadly I doubt I have much to add, apart from a wacky vehicle based on the TM-170 for which I have some material of. Sadly I am yet to translate it to English due to personal matters.
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT Hello Stan! I have added a link to the PT-91 "Twardy" source. It covers the current offer of the tank manufacturer Bumar Łabędy - model PT-91M2A2 which is the one most likely Polish MOD will choose for the upgrade program of "Twardy". The page is in English. Manufacturer WWW and shows already made fully functional tanks made for exhibition purposes - nice photos. The title can confuse, the case is about PT-91 "Twardy", not T-72M1. Nobody will pump such an amount of money into such a poor, old tank.
www.bumar.gliwice.pl/en/strefa-militarna/o/modernizacja-pojazdow-typu-t-72-do-standardu-m2
I've also sent you an e-mail, check it out.
M-91? oh, You mean the M-90 Vihor. The M-95 Degman would also have to be paired in the same episode as it is a more refined version of the M-90.
@@ravenouself4181 Yes, The M-90, and M-91 Vihor (Turret design is different between them) and then the M-90 Degman
What a treat, a Cold War tank of my favorite licenced European origin. Please keep these up. The silhouette of the T-64A, T-80BT-72A/M1/B, and BMP1/BWP1 are the best and nothing later came even close. Apart maybe from T-90MS/S, T-80BVM, PT-16, PT-91M2A2, and magnificent M-84AS1. M-95 Degman isn't bad looking tank either.
M-95 degman looks sexy to me
Cro M84A4 is an upgrade from the A3 version, which was also an upgraded version. Now we are waiting for the A5 (or D) version.
Serbian AS1 and AS2 are 2 different upgrading versions that are not compatible. Look position of ERA and CIWS on the body of the tank.
"Unity, Peace and Brotherhood"
they did a little trolling
Laos Railway: America bombs,.... 🚄
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That elevated "Toms" package looks like a bullet magnet.
Pretty good an thorough, excellent job, keep it up. One minor gripe, every other sentence you end with a "long vowel" it's really noticeable
26:28
That is not correct, there is video material that shows an M-84 destroyed in Vukovar by the M79 OSA (frontally)
Late JNA armored brigades had two three 30 tank batallions + one company in a mechanized battalion. Mechanized brigades had two similar tank battalions and two mechanized battalions for some 80 tanks. Some battalions had 40 tank strength, but it was rare. So no, brigades did not have 40 tanks, only some (rare) battalions.
I'd love to see what information you could gather about the Bulgarian BMP23 .
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The DD factory which is on the Bosnian border, in one city which is now split by the river border, only assembled the final product. Parts were and still are made all across Yugoslavia.
The factory still assembles them, if I am not mistaken?
I love these videos and this channel so much. I wonder, do you guys publish books about tanks? (Perhaps an actual tank encyclopedia or maybe one for each nation?) because I would buy every single book if so
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virgin T-72
VS.
chad M-84
All I remember of this tank during the Yugoslav civil war is there turrets lying all over the ground.
Say what you will but that's what I remember.
Yes because the top wad very bad amored even a mountain cannon could destroy a M-84
T-55 was far better this why they used it so much
Mi smo sa krajnjeg jugoistoka Srbije,Pirot je grad otisli sa 80 tenkova,zavrsli zadatak oko Zemunika i okoline Zadra,izgubili dva vojnika, i svi i sve kompletno vratili u kasarnu,tako da iskustva su razlicita.
M84 was much upgraded T72 and wasn't just Soviet licence with different name
Care mentioning some of those upgrades?
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT For one, laser gun sights. They were produced by Fotona, cupple of hundred meters away from where I lived at the time. It was the first laser range finder outside Nato, in mid 80's. Company got sold few years back to american hedge fund, for 18mil$, and was resold, without any investment, to chinese corporation for 265mil$.
There were so many upgrades on M84, one can only talk about T74 beeing taken as a start.
War thunder DLC looking crazy
Hey, how would a video be featuring the modernizations of the M-84? Like the M-84D(A5), M-84AS1, etc.
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@@TanksEncyclopediaYT Alrighty, thanks for the response!
Croatia still hasn't decided to buy new west MBT or modernize the M84A4 on M84D
It is planed to modernize 42 tanks on D standard and buy 42 new tanks(Leopard2A7,M1A2 Abrams and so on...)
Croatia decided to kept 70 M-84. There was plans to reduce numbers to 44+4 but that was abandoned
No such plans exist. The numbers will remain, and the M-84D upgrade pack was abandoned in favor of a slight overhaul ("revision", they call it). The MoD has announced it's intention to modernize the tank following the completion of the revision program in 2021, though no information on what that upgrade standard is going to be has been released to the public, and neither has any contract been signed. It seems likely that a diminished form of the "D" upgrade pack will be done, if any kind of modernization even goes through - and seeing the state of Croatia's defence budget, it's not at all a done deal.
That would be a logistics nightmare. Maybe upgrade what you have and later on, like in 10 years start swapping them for a new modern tank.
LeClerk
Gaijin should be knocking in the door any minute now
They should add a Serbian sub-branch to the Russian tech tree, just like Japan should have gotten a South Korean sub-branch to provide them with a viable top tier MBT, the K2.
@@CH3TN1K313 I am hoping for M-84 tank and its variants to be included, even as a premium vehicle :)
@@Fergusius 110%
@@CH3TN1K313 I also agree with you on a South Korean sub-branch for Japan 🙂
In all honesty besides the fleet, Yugoslavia would make up for an interesting tech tree planes and ground forces wise, you could continue the modern line up with successor states projects
exellent,tnx.
Based m-84
How many M-84 were lost durning breakup of Yugoslavia?
Serbia has 232 tanks model M 84.
TBH Yugoslavia's military industry has a reliable reputation for taking soviet stuff and making it good :D
but... how did they export if license said "no export"? because of fall of soviet union?
Would love to see a video on the new "Serbian Armata" tank, the prototype М-20UP-1. Very little info exists, but everything out so far looks truly impressive.
North Macedonia: *Chuckles* I am in danger
@My You Yes, but we have enought combar drones, mulitrole jets, and top 1 world wide howitzers to cut your whole country like a hot knife through butter.
M20UP1 Is great but would cost 5 milion Euros so only if another country would buy 100 -140 could Serbia buy maybe 30-40 because price would drop a little.
@@ravenouself4181 Why?
If anything we would help you in case of a Albanian invasion.
And then occupy you.
@@aramisone7198 That's exactly what the plan is from what I've read. The tank would only start the production of an actual prototype, and the more importantly, the machinery and purchase of technology needed to create the tank, if a foreign investor, most likely a rich Middle Eastern nation that already had and still has contracts with the nation of Serbia & Yugoimport (United Arab Emirates & Iraq are the two most likely candidates), would pre-order the tank, which would allow procurement of everything needed to get a working model made, and eventual production.
The issue these days, compared to a year ago when my post was made, is the war in Ukraine, which has isolated Serbia completely from its main military technology & armament supplier, Russia. Serbia is an island surrounded by an ocean of NATO nations, which make it impossible for Russia to even provide weapon systems already paid for, such as the Pantsir-SM1the A-220 57mm turrets for the Lazanski Heavy IFV (HIFV) project, and about 250 more Kornet ATGM's (40-50 delivered before the war/sanctions) for infantry use and possibly to be used to study how to incorporate and develop the necessary systems for the Kornet ATGM to be retrofitted onto vehicles that are still armed with domestically modernized versions of the Malyutka ATGM which have been developed into tandem-charge ATGMs but still have the slow speed of the original Malyutka. This has caused Serbia's military to either wait for sanctions to lift, buy Chinese weapons instead, or to have a bordering NATO nation like Hungary, who has remained the closest relationship with Russia, only behind Turkey, to allow Russian planes to pass thru their air space, but due to them being landlocked as well, would mean a deal with Romania Bulgaria, or Greece, would still have to be made. The longer the sanctions go on, and the more pain Europe feels from the sanctions, due to the lack of affordable natural gas, the more likely a deal to allow Russian planes to once again pass thru NATO & EU airspace will happen. The final option which has been floated around is to pay China to have its military fly a cargo plane into Russia, pick up the Serbian purchased systems, fly them back to China, where the plane would then fly from Chinese airspace to Serbia. China has already delivered it's FK-3 (export version of HQ-22 long range air defense system... FK-3 = 100km range / HQ-22 = 170km range) using its heavy lift cargo aircraft, the Xi'an Y-20, which proved Serbia had a runway capable of handling such a massive transport plane, meaning it wouldn't take too many trips to get everything that was ordered, with the Pantsir-SM1 being the largest.
Stumbled across your channel and am really enjoying it overall but with one thing which makes it very difficult for me; it would be really helpful (and perhaps for others but I'm only speaking for myself) if you would work on a more casual or conversational enunciation and cadence when reading your script. With nearly every sentence you speak, you enunciate in a very stilted manner with too much emphasis on the words at the end of the sentence. Frankly it's so annoying I cannot watch more than one video in a row without a break. Other than that, I again do appreciate all of the hard work and information you provide! (And I will continue watching)
How does the crew "survive" the catastrophic explosion of it's ammo that sends the turret flying??? Were they not inside the tank at the time?
With earpads.
Knapp as1 kan go against UKs shit tnak,
Play the video again and listen more carefully
they had extra XP because they used gaming chairs
Imamo priliku vidjeti u Ukrajini otprilike što bi se dogodilo "Balkanskoj Zvijeri" na modernom bojištu uz prisustvo modernog protuoklopnog oružja. PUFFF!!!
I dont think the door cares if it get penetrated by APFSDS
Catastrophic explosion happened mainly caused by direct hits to the ammunition in the first place.
While it is in the bottom of the hull it is not an easy terget to hit. Russians usualy go to fight only with munition in carrousel to reduce a risk.
@@tomfu6210 well, they learned that the hard way in Chechenia
@@tomfu6210
Carousel can be detonated from light AT weapon from the side, even at long ranges.
Bio sam mehaničar na M-84A/AB/A4. Licenca je kupljena od Čehoslovačke, Čehoslovački i M-84 su bolji od Sovjetskog orginalnog T-72. Kuwait je kupio nekoliko desetaka M-84, i dalje ih koriste. Ovaj video ima puno netočnih podataka
I was a mechanic on the M-84A / AB / A4. The license was purchased from Czechoslovakia, the Czechoslovak and M-84 are better than the Soviet original T-72. Kuwait has bought several dozen M-84s, and continues to use them. This video has a lot of inaccurate data
Pozdrav, ja sam pisao tekst. Na koje greske mislite tacno, osim licence? Pitam da bi eventualnim izmenama poboljsao clanak.
@@kameni9156 Čovek laže i bulazni.
Opšte je poznato da je Kuvajtu prodato oko 200 tenkova i da je licenca bila sovjetska. Takođe je poznato da je tehnička dokumentacija došla sa određenim "nelogičnostima" koje su nam otežale da izradimo tenk. Ovo se sve nalazi na internetu, samo treba potražiti 😉
25:50... wait... what tanks of that time had remote controlled heavy machine gun. better not call it flaw but standard.
It's hard to understand what is said. Stan is actually a Jabahr Bashir, right?
lion of babylon brother
Nice pronunciation of Đuro Đaković!
M84A had 1100 horse power engine.
Just read that Serbia sold a load of T55 tanks to Pakistan. Plans to substantially upgrade then, and deploy them on there Western border.
It seems that not very many brand new tanks are being made round the world. Most nations choosing today upgrade current models.
The modernized M-84 looks like a completely new tank lol
@@peregrinefalcon9513 like a T-90?
Clever play of Tito using the M in the name, thus favorising and playing a western tune (usa M designation in tanks) whilst building a soviet machine. Exactly what tito and yugoslavia were, a unique form of western communism
M is simply standing for "Model" preceding the Year, for all weapons inYugoslavia, as eg. for M48, famous Mauser based rifle, redisigned in 1948, etc. so You should stop to look for politics in everything.
M84AS2...new Serbian variante of M84...check it out
22:30 at least the turret stuck the landing.
if we didnt took that licence it seems we woudnt have modern tank at all
We did not get a licence for the kalashnikov and we still made it.
If the Soviet union did not give us the licence we would simply steal one.
@@VojislavMoranic hahahaha in true balkan fashion, though our production quality is superior to the soviet ones
The Yugoslavians were too good for their own good. That's why Germany helped the Croatians to rebel and the rest is history. Yugoslavia had very capable heavy industry and lower production costs, compared to Germany. Also, talks were made in order for Yugoslavia to enter the EU. Germany couldn't allow that to happen. Divide and Conquer at its simplest form.
nuts
oil, pharma, tank, car, ship production + on the verge of their own supersonic aircraft. domestic production for own needs and export.
Yugoslavia almost had it...
I think most people would take a BMW or a Mercedes over a Yugo (which they had to build off a FIAT). Between a 1980 BMW M1 vs a 1980 Yugo I would certainly take the BMW M1.
@@removedot at least you could choose from affordable, economic relaible, domestic and foreign.
most man would choose rs line but they can only drive dacia or clio instead :D
@@removedot Do you remember what happened when the first Japanese cars were imported to Europe? Everyone was laughing at them. Some years after, European countries had to impose taxes on them, to keep their car industries alive. Korean cars; the first Hyundai I saw was terrible. Now Hyundai, Kia, and Daewoo produce fine cars. Not everyone can buy a BMW or a Mercedes, but everyone is interested in a cheap, well-made car. And Yugo with the Florida model showed that it was on the right track.
3:18 bruh wtf is that sound, phone notification?
yes, the best 95pt tank and the stealth tank m84an in wargame red dragon, yugoslavia definitely not op
He isn't talking about a game weirdo
And i don't think OP is a real word
OP your narration is fine, and at parts quite interesting. But you linger too long on each image. If you are doing a montage of still images they will get dull fast unless you add a lot more and probably some several second long film bits in there too, (or your audience will be bored and tune out). That is how I would do it.
As we all know now the turret is not very well protected from shrapnels. :)
You got some facts wrong: All tanks were exported to Kuwait by 1991., last tanks were produced in Croatia in 2003. and all Croatian tanks were modernized to A4 Sniper - the biggest improvement is the new fire control system (SUV), the installation of a better stabilizing mechanism of the target device and the main cannon, a laser rangefinder etc
Some sources for us to check this info, please.
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT one of the sources for Kuwait export www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/umjesto-na-vukovarskom-bojistu-tenkovi-zavrsili-u-kuvajtu/339451.aspx ruclips.net/video/cliLGfYOZvM/видео.html ruclips.net/video/X6NhW6zId7U/видео.html
I've heard from a Croatian friend that Tuđman (Croatian president) turned a number of m84 tanks away from the defense of Vukovar so he could complete the Kuwait order. Not sure if this is true or not
Incorrect. Tanks were finished after the war, then exported. Not ank was made during the war, neither were they taken from our army.
@@bubassvaba6221 you are incorrect, its all well documented
Did you know that the top speed is over 120 KPH in battle mode? i.e. by taking off the speed governor which is located at the acceleration pedal? Now you know.
Um no lol
23:00 That looks like a lot of the T-72's Russia sent into Ukraine lately... They seem to have a real problem with keeping their turrets on...
Interesting topic as the AS42 Italian vehicle also was. But sorry your strong accent is to hard to listen until the end.
Maybe sounding like Germans talking Italian, for your Rats. -Why don‘t you ask a native speaking student to talk?
Oh, the Yugos produced their own tank design?
And started developed of an entirely Yugoslav made MBT - M91 Vihor, but economic crisis and war prevented the completion of the first prototype
Znaš da nije jugosa to jest srba koji su recimo izmislili struju telefon.nikola tesla i mihailo pupin.pljačkali sete istok sa raznim blagom da bih posle plaćali te istočnjake da vas unapređuju i prave mnoge nove izumeo.takođe litijum sku bateriju srbin izmislio u fabrici vrata.mnogo je toga da bih ti nabrajao.
Yugoslavia was never a Warsaw pact country
Tito could convince God to shave his beard if he wanted to. Brežnjev had no chance therr
After this be sure to take a look at the M-95 "Degman" and M-91 "Vihor" I'd guess it would be an interesting albeit short video seeing as only prototypes were built.
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Yeah bro, carousel is so good were seeing multiple turret throw records in ukraine
This tank should have replace the mexican m3 and m5 stuart tanks
WTF who would use M5's in the 1980's
@@tomusklisus5805 cheap people
@@tomusklisus5805 serbs they even made T-55/M-18 hellcat mix in wars
Yugoslavia wasn't part of Warsaw pact. At least you can read for free on Wikipedia
We never say Yugoslavia was part of the Warsaw Pact. The phrasing in the video is:
"even for Warsaw Pact countries, let alone Yugoslavia."
"Unity Peace and Brotherhood"
Yugoslavia: YAY
"1 year just before it fell apart"
Serbia, Croatia, Kosovo, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Slovenia, and Macedonia: yay?
Lol...sweet ride
Its Yugoslavian beast. Not Balkan beast. Please name it as it is. Its the western cultures, that fear naming Yugoslavia for what it was.
And only tank slovenia has in battle order, is M84.
The West would do anything to keep the former Yugoslav republics at each other's throats. First it was CIA funding of Croatian nationalism and Kosovar Islamism, going so far as to involve the same people who would later go on to become infamous when involved with Al Qaeda. Then it has been sanctions, then the bombing campaign. Nowadays, it is the EU and NATO who actively intervene at any sign of unity. There are now surreptitiously funded neo-Nazi groups in Croatia and Slovenia, betraying the memory of the sacrifices the Yugoslav people made to win back every metre of ground from Nazism, paid for in blood.
Yugoslavia always looked westward for its cultural influences. Well, NATO country spies are influencing people now, and it's not in a way to honour those years after World War 2 when Yugoslavia stood astride East and West, and sought to build a non-aligned movement that found brotherhood in sovereignty of nations.
@@joskojansa1235 well yugoslavia fell apart and this tank is being produced and modernized in Serbia rn Bosnia and Croatia are still using the old variants so its Balkan
@@MonMalthias your speaking nonsense serbian terrorist army destroyed yugoslavia by attacking Croatia kosova bosnia slovenia who gained independence it was all serbs fault trying to steal neighbors land to make big serbia which will never happen
there was a land invasion during the kosovo war a failed invasion in battles of kosare and pastrik
I see M-84, but where is the beast?
M84 AN is op
M84as1 and m84as2🇷🇸☦️💪
What's with all the licensing nonsense? I thought everything belonged to everyone in a collective society.
Two separate societies
For 78 day s of bobing we loos 2% tehnicque, and for 1 killed solger killed 5 civilian, how and with what kamufalz is questio, i know.
Nije bio građanski rat provjerite malo cinjenice ostalo sve o tenku pokazale su devedesete koliko je beskoristan bio pozz
Please to Ukraine!!!
JNA not GNA
you speak well but it is
despere to listen
It's Serbian not balkan beast
Good video.
It wasnt a civil war either..
Now these tanks are being used in Ukraine
At the time of writing there are no M-84s in Ukraine.
FFS, there was no "Yugoslav civil war".
There were four separate wars, and the only common thing in all four was Serbian aggression.
How difficult is it to comprehend that and call things the way they are?!
Serbian beast*
*Yugoslav beast*
@@tomusklisus5805 No, Serbs made it...
@@whiteeagle889 my mom made it ,
It wasn't civil war!!
no it was croatian agression on Serbian Krajina. You are correct.
@@gaja9092 ne momak,srbija je izvršila agresiju na Hrvatsku i preko drine bježala sa traktorima,usput gazeči svoje civile!
@@markocetina2175 krajina je htela nezavisnost, vi je niste dali. Franjo tudjman 31. marta objavljuje zvanicni rat Krajini.
@@gaja9092 vi niste htjeli C4
@@markocetina2175 Znaci trebali smo prihvatiti drzavu u drzavi?
Ali cekaj malo, pa i VI ste imali drzavu u drzavi, u Jugoslaviji....
Znaci opet je hrvatska agresija, kako god okrenes.
M.84 yu tenk prvi sa laserom..marcedes motor 780 ps