Find the right snowboard binding for your riding style / Bent Metal vs. Burton vs. NOW
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- Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2023
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Snowboard bindings are not all the same! Different design aspects produce different riding feels. Since a binding attaches directly to your body/boot, and since 'feel' is nothing you can really argue about, there's no right or wrong!
So understanding what ride feel the different binding designs create may help you to get it right.
Riding NOW for eight seasons I'm clearly and heavily biased... I've tried many different bindings over the last 30 years of riding, and nothing beats Skate Tech for my style - but that's just me!! I hope I'm still being objective here. There's simply not as much to be explained and understood about the other binding designs compared to NOW.
Enjoy the video! Let me know what you think!
Thanks to www.edgeoftheworld.ca for lending me bindings!
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So this is my second season. Last season I was so lost teaching myself how to ride. I have been watching your videos, and dang you killed it! I have never cared about the park which my friend group cares about. I care about the ride, the speed, the pencil line and just all around cruising. I have changed my whole setup since I started watching your videos. Thought I needed a true twin but now, I'm running directional with a +21/-6 stance. Changed my life now I whoop all the guys down the mountain. Thank you sir!
Great to hear that you get something out of my content!!
Hey Sebastian, why made you want to switch from a true twin to a directional. Obviously the control and speed, but have you gave up on riding switch?
I cannot explain how much more confident I would've felt about my set up having watched this video before hand. I purchased my first board a few moneths ago, a Yes. Basic with Now IPO bindings. No one I snowboard with has much knowledge of either of these brands, but I was attracted to the marketing and reviews I saw online. I had a general idea of skate tech, but did not understand it to this degree. I LOVE my set up, it is a very dynamic feel on the board, which is a bit scary, yet exhilerating, at my beginner level. I really feel that level of responsiveness is helping me improve as a rider and will definitely look into other Now bindings when I'm in a place for a second board or an upgrade. Thank you for sharing all this information.
Oh, so cool to hear this! Thanks!!🙏
I rode Burton bindings for 15 years, once I tried my NOW Select Pro's, wow! Skate Tech can make any board feel alive, I will not ride anything else. ❤
Yeah, I really feel the same way....
This channel is gold, very informative for beginners and seasoned riders as well
As a long time snowboarder myself I can only agree with your conclusions, your gear analysis is always on point
Thank you so much!! I appreciate that!! :-)
I fully agree! 👍
@@2coolforyourdog Thank you!! :-)
so informative! thank you for making these videos
I LOVE my now drives. Once you go now, you can’t go back. I tried riding a regular binding last year and it felt dead and jarring. Once I switched back it felt alive and responsive. I honestly feel like cheating when I’m riding Now! lol
Binding master class here!
Totally agree with you on your take on a binding being not able to flex properly right under the disc. For the majority of riders out I also believe that won't be an issue at all. Great video, thank you!
Good content glad I found the channel, keep up the good work.
Love it! Thank you!
I will forever mourn the death of the Switch binding system. To this day have still never ridden a better binding than the Switch bindings I bought in 1997/98. If you could get compatible boots I'd still be riding the same binding today.
Never tried, but you're not the first person saying this!
Ya I loved mine.
I found a couple sets of CATEK soft boot bindings on ebay a few years ago and added Burton straps and a Voile strap around my front highback/boot like an old 3 strap Burton Flex binding. Total game changer with the Adidas Acerra boot.
That is amazing! It's so ridiculous that all of a sudden snowboarding changed into this judgemental fashion show, where certain things were simply considered kooky, dumb, stupid or nerdy without anyone asking why... There were quite a few things in the 90's that didi actually work super well, which simply disappeared...
Nice one!! The Catek idea is so good!!
Awesome work dude keep it up
Thank you!! I will! Share the channel with other nerds! If I can keep the momentum and keep gathering more riders watching this, I'm much more motivated... lots of work to make these vids... wild!
🙂
We tested a lot of bindings over the past years. On women an men boards. Now select and now drives. Burton escapades. Arbor sequoia. Ride a9. Union atlas pro.
The energy transfer on a toeside turn is "always" hanging on the 4 screws (or 2) and having contact to the toeside edge. (half width of the board).
A heelside turn is hanging on 4 screws and having contact with the heel.
Even on now bindings with the hard black rubber you see the gap between binding and top sheet if you're carving with lots of pressure. I sometimes even loose the rubber under the now bindings. (bought my 3rd replacement pack) even if I tape them with double side tape.
The other factors you mentioned are much more important: rotation of the highback to get it aligned with the edges. Super clear win here for the burtons. Wide forward lean (without pressure on a 1cm and not stable spot) sorry to say... but also clear win for burtons.
Last thing that really works well... The old gas pedal on the burtons that could be adjusted in 2 or 3 positions. The pressure point could be adjusted exactly under your front foot and the gas pedal lifted the toes minimal, but essential for having more space on toe carves.
Yes, this season, im riding the Union atlas pro. Am I happy? No.
Last 4 years on now drives... Happy? No.
Always looking back on the Burton solutions... Because they work.
This year we placed the 12 year old burton escapade with a 4x4 disc on the top end nitro victoria women's board... And it works superb from day one.
Agreed on rotation, but not necessary on the new NOW Drive highbacks - very pronounced curves! Plenty of support.
Agreed on the surface area touching the heel cup in regards to forward lean. Burton's living hinge highback sets the bar, although it's not easy to adjust that spinning screw thing, plus I've seen it tear out of the highback on the inside many, many times! To many times...
Agreed that you're always pulling on the screws. How else could it be? That's not the point, though! While you see that gap under the heel bushings, the toe bushings get loaded. That's the whole design, to have active pressure through a fulcrum rather than relying on material flex.
Anyhow, greatest advantage of NOW to me is vibration absorption. I'm super sensitive to that, and Burton bindings feel very harsh to my feet.
Are NOWs perfect? No! I wish they had an adjustable heel cup and an adjustable toe ramp. But otherwise I'm happy.
Glad to hear that you've really found what works for you!! That's what it's all about!!
Great content! Congratulations, love your channel and will stay for more! Just a tiny thing (sorry, I had to): Dampening = making something damp (wet); damping = Prevent from vibrating freely. Cheers and thanks!
Hahahaha, love it! Thank you!! I'm German, we like it wet! 🤣
Very happy to have found your channel. Best information online about the topics you cover. I love the Now Drive Pros. Which bushing do you prefer?
I ride medium bushings with my 135lbs. Have tried them all, the difference is minor.
Hey, thanks for you videos, they are very informativ without the fluff 👍🏻
'German zero fluff approach!' Hahaha... :-) Thanks! Yeah, I'm trying to be factual and rooted in the physics of it all rather than brand hype and such.....
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Ach, du bist deutscher? 🤯 Dachte das ist so ein Kanadischer Dialekt oder so. 😅
@@metthewsobol ja, Ruhrpott Englisch! 🙂
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel dann nochmal in Muttersprache, Vielen Dank! ☺️ Liebe Grüße 🙋🏻♂️
I'm pretty sure that the arbor bindings with their X base plate might mirror the effects of Now/Jones skate tech. Before I get you too excited, the caveats: They have a fairly low and protruding heel hoop (similar or maybe even worse than the bent metal, don't have a bent metal to compare, but probably worse than burton) and a weirdly tall highback that goes past the hard spine of a lot of boots. I didn't feel it, but, for example, Angry Snowboarder did.
Their marketing doesn't emphasize it, as it mostly focuses on allowing more board flex. It uses a mini disc that doesn't positively engage with the spline it rests in (if you just sit the disc in the binding it's able to wobble), and the hard base plate doesn't touch the board directly anywhere. The entire bottom of the binding is rubber, and the shape of the aforementioned hard base plate means that the binding would essentially teeter totter on top of the board if the rubber layer wasn't there.
I've had both the arbor cypress and jones mercury on the same board and didn't notice much of a difference in terms of response so I think it holds true. In addition to the above mentioned caveats, there is an issue of the ankle strap and highback sex bolts (that's what they're called) "bedding in" to their holes meaning that adjusting the highback rotation and depth can be a bit bothersome, and I've seen reports of them arriving excessively tight causing them to strip on removal, not sure if they didn't match the size of screwdriver or if it was different from mine. I didn't run into this, I used the exact driver size they called for (Philips 2 and 3). Their main benefit over the skate tech bindings is that you have conventional boot centering via the heel hoop/highback so you can use the disc slots to fine tune stance rather than centering, and the straps are considerably better. Instead of floppy hinges, they're pre-curved to keep them out of the way.
Amusingly, because the discs are 4x2 only, you can't set it up exactly reference on a lot of boards. I think only cardiff labels their reference stance for 4x2 bindings.
Great comment and info!! Thank you!!🙏
Wait, are you saying that on the bent metal high back, you can have them set differently? I thought that was just for adjusting heel to toe to get your foot centered, but if I’m understanding correctly, it sounds like you can set them unevenly in the holes to rotate the angle of the high back itself!! I have both set in the middle because I thought they had to be even. But I can rotate the high back?! And you’re saying it’s better to have the high back more parallel with the board’s edge. Wow. Thanks. I’ve been watching snowboarding videos for several months trying to catch up with all the technology changes after a 1/4 century, and you’re blowing my mind. 😂
@@mikeuptegrove high back and heel cup are two different things. Don’t mount the heel cups asymmetrically!!!! That adjustment is solely a size adjustment. The high backs however may have two or three holes on each wing and those are for rotation.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel yeah. I changed the high backs. The, “heel cups”, I left at stock. I was playing with them last night to see if I could center the disc but it made it made worse. I didn’t realize last night the adjustment for the high back side to side was at the same spot as the heel cup.
Great detail on the design features. I loved your high back explanation and the point to match your boots natural forward lean to the high back lean.I was leaning towards the Union Atlas because of the high back adjustment but the Now high back has it in a different way. Question, will a 10.5 fit a medium Now? I’m right on the edge of a med or large is it better to go with a smaller size tan an oversized?
Depends a bit on the boot brand, but very highly likely you'll get a better fit in a medium NOW binding than in a large.
Thank you for your comment!! :-)
I think i got the first NOW Bindings model and still happy with the new models. About the bushings : i don't really like the pivoting system feeling, so i glued some pieces of base under the bushing to avoid the flipping and keeping all the extremities still in contact with the board. But whatever, it doesn't really "break" Skateteck action with the pivoting axis.
Wahtever works! Surely less of a NOW feeling then.
I had a set of Now's when they first came out. I swear there was a just noticable delay when making slow speed adjustments. Like when you're delicately edging into the entry of a steep technical line. Wonder if it was all in my head.
I thought the same when I tried the first ones. I later realized that it was the lack of harshness that made me feel like there's a delay... Like... they're too smooth. I love them! They've changed a lot over the years. Much better fit, much better parts.
You should try union atlas FC. I like the now bindings I have an Apollo but I strongly suggest you try the FC! It’s not at stuff as it looks on paper.
I scored my first Stranda board from E of the W. Going to mount up bindings today.
Awesome! What did you get??
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel - Treesurfer 157. I wanted a board I could carve with and that would be nimble in the trees. I'm an old hardbooter/plate bindings guy so looking for a board that allowed a narrow stance width so I can ride high angle Posi-Posi. You sold me on Stranda as a brand so EotW got this sale due to your channel.
@@threeohm that's great to hear! Enjoy the board! It's a fun one!
Interesting point about matching the forward lean of the boot to the binding. ANy thoughts about the mini disc? Was considering the bent metal axtion vs. the transfer which has a mini disc.
I don’t like mini disc. Mounting points on the board are too close together. Too much pull on the inserts super close together…
Also makes for more base plate movement on the board. Not a fan.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel I tried one mini disc binding with the Union strata. Also bought the Force at the same time and preferred that one, but like to try another and see if it's the disc or if it was just that binding.
I'd like to add you can really dial the underfoot feel of the Nows with the soft/mid/hard bushings. I decided I wanted more support on my heel and outside of the binding so I went hard-to-mid longitudinally and laterally to fit the natural flex and stiffness of the foot with the inside toe to have the softest bushing to really allow for enhanced lateral flex in tandem with the strap and high back to center flex the board or to play around with presses and butters by easing body movement from one foot over another. People knock Now/Jones bindings for their lack of conventional customizability BUT like you said forget where the magic really works: the energy transfer from foot to chassis, to board's edge.
Love your analytics when it comes to the science and physiology of the human body working with the board/binding combo.
Great comment!! Cheers!
Just got the NDrive Pro size L and having trouble fitting the toe straps tight enough on my Burton Ion 10.5wide boots. Maybe i should have got the medium but have always been fine with large in other bindings. I was able to tighten them enough for a few runs and love everything else about the binding. Tried using the toe strap from my union atlas but still have the same issue because the strap mounts to the frame too far forward. Any ideas for solutions or do i just need to get a medium?
100% medium........ Burton 10.5 does not need any large binding. Size charts are all over the map! Sorry about this.
The problem I have with Now is their lack of adjustability to center the boot in the binding, and/or center the boot on the board, and/or adjust stance width. Similar to the Cartel, all the adjustability is in the disc. It has offset holes right? So to adjust your binding more or less to the heel or toe side, you slide the binding in the mounting holes? And if you want more heel or toe side, you flip the disk 180 degrees. BUT... you only get so much. It looks like maybe 1/2cm +/- with the slots in the disc and maybe another 1/2cm by flipping the disc around? Ok, but what about centering the boot in the binding? Nothing. What about if you want to widen or narrow your stance more or less than the preset board inserts? That's why I like bindings that have adjustable heel cups so you can center your boot. And then use the mounting disc for stance width instead of centering the binding on the board. Example: Union. Their discs give you +/- 1cm in either direction (2cm total) side to side.
So you center your boot in the binding using the heel cup. The binding and your boot are now centered on the board without you doing anything else. Now you can use the disc and rotate it 90 degrees from how you normally would and you can adjust your stance width in 1/2cm increments, up to 2cm total. Now I can get my preferred stance width on most any board, regardless of where the manufacturer has installed the inserts.
I couldn't agree more!
I talked about this to JF at NOW in 2012 already....
He agreed. It is seemingly difficult to keep the Skate Tech idea and add an adjustable heel cup. Maybe some day we'll see it...
Stranda recommended Flow as a binding on their website 2-3 years ago.
I guess the highend ones which are used a lot by soft boot carvers
True! I've never tried them, but I can see how the super tall heel cups would be really good for lateral support.
I've been having issues with the forward lean on my NOW Drive bindings. The forward lean clip that sits on the heel bracket slips down, is it supposed to be on the thin edge or the seat lower? It snaps lower on heel side carve turns any ideas? weather I shave it off so it seats more deeply on the heel cup or add something to make it thicker to sit on the small rail?
It should rest on the heel cup, on top rather than in it lower down.
When you unclip the adjuster - as if you were gonna change the amount of forward lean - you can give that lever (screw) a twist. That'll tighten it. Maybe it has just come loose?! Hard to imagine what's going on there. NOW would help you out, if it was an actual issue with the mechanism.
Hi Lars, great contend as always. Currently I ride 285 Burton Kendo boots. I returned a Union Ultra 2023 size L to my dealer, because the binding looked way too big for my boots when I was mounting them on my board (the boot looked too much set back on the baseplate in my eyes). Today I wanted to mount a Union Force 2024 binding in size M to my board, but on this binding, my boots look set forward on the baseplate, but a bit more centered. What do you think in general is the lesser evil, too much set forward or backward? What binding size would you recommend for my boot size (280-285) when I want to try a Now binding? I can imagine with Skate-Tec, centering the boot over the baseplate is even more important than just centering the boot over the board, isn’t it?
Unions are adjustable, you know that, right?! The large in the smallest setting will likely work with a 28.5 boot - been there!!
NOW can't adjust the heel cup. So centring the boot over the baseplate is not possible - unless the boot naturally matches...
Yes, I agree, that would be the dream!
Anyhow, centring the boot over the board is super important! Episode coming very soon!! 🙂
Dang i was pretty set on burton step ons but, the NOWs are very interesting and had me considering these 😅 whats your take on the step ons?
Step On works well as a system. However, the amount of plastic accumulating behind the heels would be killing my heel turns and force me onto an even wider board. It's insane!
Also, you're tied to the right Boots... Not that easy, although now much better now with Nitro, DC and Burton as options.
I've seen multiple setups with way too much play between boot and binding in the heel when going onto the toe edge. This seems to be a hit or miss... Some do it more, others not at all. All with Burton boots, so not an issue of the boot manufacturer...
Overall the presence of an ankle strap is very important and IMO can only be bypasses by going hardboots.
Personally I'm not a fan of Step On, but it works for many people.
@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel thank you for sharing I will consider all this since buying Into the step-on system is incredibly expensive. Thank you for your input. I learn alot from your channel
Hi Lars, what do you think of the Rome Katanas, a ton of adjustability
No idea. Never ridden. Never played with. Seem like good bindings.
Hi Lars, do you think that the Nows works fine also with higer angles? Say +42+27. I am using Flux CV and they works very well with these numbers, very intresting binding for softboot carving (expecially for highback rotation options).
There shouldn't be a problem. The tall heel cup helps with lateral flex. But since you're doing less toe to heel movements with those high angles, it is likely that you won't benefit much from the Skate Tech.
Personally I think anything above 36° is too steep for soft boots. The boots simply don't have enough lateral stiffness to get power to the edge efficiently.
Hi Lars,
many thanks, really a great video!
I do have one question. My boot size is 10-10.5, so this would work with an M but also with an L Now Drive Pro binding.
Do you have a recommendation to rather go for M or L?
You must have a similar boot size, are you riding an M or L Now Drive pro?
Take care and many thanks in advance!
I'm a 10 and I'd say that depending on the boot you can fit up to an 11 into a medium. The large is huge!!
Thanks Lars!
What's your view on Clew, Burton step on, Nidecker Supermatic etc convenience vs actual performance? How much performance do you sacrifice for convenience?
Hey! It all depends on what you want to do. I think all those bindings are too 'clunky'. They all give me way too much heel drag with those massive heelcups that have to include all kinds of mechanisms... I have never seen Clew in real life, but the concept seems odd to me. I've ridden Supermatics and Burton StepOn. Back then there were no boot options for StepOn but Burton, and I simply don't fit their boots - so I had a bad day... But that's a foot issue! The system works - other than that massive heelcup.
Supermatics are quite incredible. I think they win the race. They work with any boot - and they actually work. And you can use them like a normal strap binding if anything goes wrong. Again, massive heelcup makes me lose my edge when on the heels... Otherwise, no performance downside. I just don't like all that stuff on my bindings.... If the snowboard industry wasn't so silly and stubborn, they'd simply make hardboots with better lateral flex and sell plate bindings again! The people who actually buy step in softboot bindings aren't looking for freestyle performance, and a soft flexing hardboot in a plate binding would be way smarter. But that is just my opinion! 🙂
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Thanks, I appreciate the no-nonsense discussions in your channel. Recently I have seen a lot of push on new ease-of-use binding technologies (step-on, Clew etc) but I have never seen any review on what the performance price you trade in for convenience. Is it possible to have the best of both worlds? Convenience plus hi-performance? Supermatics, Burton Step-on, Clew vs your top 3 bindings! 😉 (I use Rome Katana bindings - super comfortable and tweakable, tweakable downside is that a lot of screws can become loose when riding hard)
@@GronoDude As I said, I think Supermatics win the race! You get the convenience and they ride like normal softboot bindings.
I found shadowfit polarizing. To me, they were too sloppy and loose. Have your tried any salomon bindings? What are your thoughts?
I can't wrap my head around that flexible heelcup. When I see it in action on someone's foot in a turn, I see things I can't imagine I'd ever want... So no, haven't tried! I rode Salomon everything between 2000 and 2008 ish. They made great boards, boots and bindings back then. The boots have changed the last and don't work for me at all anymore. The bindings seem to be too much freestyle oriented for what I can see (might be wrong), and the boards are still pretty awesome!
I’ve ridden Now’s for about 7 years now, the ratchets are quite for about 3 weeks, but they always get really loose and loud. Do you know if they fixed that this year?
The very first three years of NOW their ratchets were horrible. But I'd say they've been good for me all the way ever since. Yes, they develop noise eventually, but I've never noticed them being 'loud'. Union and Salomon and Bent Metal are way, way worse. Also, some of the NOW ratchets are set up for replaceable springs. That's great! I don't think anything changes for this year.
NOW lists their size large bindings as mondo 28-30.5 - With a Mondo 31 Boot (K2 Thraxxis), will this still fit?
Possibly pushing it, but their Large is huge.... It might fit! Find a shop, bring your boot ;-)
Hi Lars! I’ve been binge watching your videos and wanted to get your thoughts on Now bindings on extreme positive angles. I run +27 front and +6 to +12 rear. It feels like at extreme posi angles, the benefit of edge transfer is reduced since the corners no longer align closely to the edge. What are your thoughts or experiences?
Good argument. I ride them 30/12 and I'm happy. But maybe you have a point. Nothing I'm noticing negatively. The key for me with these bindings is vibration dampening and lack of heel cup drag due to that ultra low profile heel cup / high back combo.
Thanks for the reply Lars. I love the channel, BTW. Keep up the good work! 👍
Now makes jones bindings right? So how do now bindings compare to the ones they make for jones?
No huge differences. Never tried Jones.It's just different highbacks and straps...
wouldnt your forefoot be pushing into the toe edge also with the upper strap?
Thanks for chiming in!!
Correct, the forefoot is pushing down. And it can only do so, because there's an ankle strap! Was the ankle strap gone, nothing would happen. So the downwards pressure under the forefoot comes from pulling up the heel edge with the ankle strap. The binding itself does not push down onto the toe edge like it does onto the heel edge through the direct downwards pressure of the highback. NOW is the only binding that has an element that actively pushes down onto the toe edge. That still relies on the ankle strap... But the leverage and dampening effect of the system is what makes that so different.
The Burton Step Ons having better heel-to-toe response than any other binding
Yes, that is a given with the binding and boot being attached to each other through a mechanism in the toe and heel. I find it annoying that I can't ride ANY boot, but have to go with Burton, DC or Nitro (as far as I know). I also don't like how much material is sticking out behind the heel. I catch that huge heel cup, and the binding simply doesn't work for me. But response is really good! Unfortunately at the cost of vibration dampening. Just my opinion on the system!! It's otherwise well done and works.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Yep, they have pluses and minuses. Glad to hear you have tried them out
Thats false...
Hi @@Diesel0807 ! I would appreciate comments that are constructive. I don't know what part of the conversation you are referring to saying it's 'false'. And then also, it would be great to understand your reasoning behind any opinion. This way the comment sounds a little offensive and disrespectful. I'd love to know more about what's false! Cheers!! L
@@Diesel0807 Ok...which binding had better heel-to-toe response? Seriously, if you're such an expert on this I'd assume you could come up with something better than a 2-word answer 🤦♂
Hi Lars,
Ich suche nach einer Bindung für mein Amplid Surfari, das Board will ich für Carving, und Powder/Freeride nutzen.
Aktuell hat now die Drive und Select Pro im Angebot, welche würdest du mir empfehlen? Oder lieber auf die Drive Pro warten?
Grüße aus Deutschland:)
Drive passt schon.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Danke für die Antwort! eher als die select pro?
@@bertbert9347 100%
Yeah Lars!
Yo! :-) Did you watch the whole thing? Gonna get some Bent Metals? Ha! ;-)
Just received a pair of FLUX XF bindings, other than the XVs the XF claim to be the stiffest non dampening binding on the planet. I should be this red and yellow streak on a white bomber... or maybe just a red streak on the rocks. Will report.
I love NOWs for all the reasons you went into, but my experience with their ratchets (and straps) is horrible. Across 2017 Pilots, 2019 Drives, and 2023 Jones Mercury, I've had to replace 2 sets of ankle ratchets and 4 toe ratchets. And most of the time on Pilots and Drives I rode Burton ankle straps + ratchets, so I suspect those numbers would be worse if I stuck to stock.
NOW customer support always set me back up with replacement pairs, not being able to trust the hardware was annoying at best. Although I prefer the NOW/Jones bindings ride quality more, I've had much better experiences with Burton ratchets.
Yeah, I'd say Burton's ratchets are probably the most durable out there. Personally I've never experienced any abnormal amounts of breaking with NOW parts. I've broken ratchets, but maybe two toe one ankle over eight seasons. But I'm pretty gentle on my gear in general. The straps are preference, and I loved the old Drive strap for being so solid.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel I'm 210+ lbs (or 95+ kg)... so I'm probably outside most brands test rider ranges lol. I've exploded a few base trays and boards in my day.
I'm surprised to hear that your bidning of choice is Now. For 2 reasons:
1- They offer no highback rotation for POsi Posi riding.
2- With a high Posi Posi set up, the skate tech is noo longer a help, but rather a hinderance. That's because the direction of hinge rotation is not the same as the direction in which you are exerting edge force by leaning into a carve. In fact with your stance angles, the axis of rotation of the HInge is almost at a right angle 90 with the angle of body lean.
The hinges would only be beneficial with a Duck stance or a small posi posi stnace. I hope that make sense.
I use the DRive Pro as well, but as described above, with a strong Posi Posi stance, it behaves very strangely. The physics of a Skate Tech force transfer require the axis of the Hige rotation to be parallel (or close to parallel) with the board's edge.
Hmmm, I thought I mentioned all that in this and the other video about those bindings. 30/9 is not that crazy Posi and it works well for me.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Firstly, never start a correspondence with a condescending sound like 'Hmmmmm'
Secondly, you didn't address my central point. But it doesn't matter. I was attempting to compare my experience with that of others.
@@White1404 Sorry! On the contrary: never assume anything and maybe just clarify instead! Also, maybe starting with 'firstly + criticism' is also not such a goof idea.
Wasn't meant to be condescending at all! Let me explain.
My "hmmmm" came from me thinking I had addressed that point in the videos, and I'm still pretty sure I did in one of them. I definitely talked about your point in regards to rotation. So I was questioning myself with that 'hmmmm'.
Please step into my shoes for a minute before I answer your question: I'm getting hundreds of questions and emails, and half of them are filled with questions I answered in the video. People aren't patient enough to listen to 20 minutes.... so they quickly shoot a question. Since this whole RUclips thing pays close to nothing so far and I have jobs that fill the fridge, my time is limited and I would appreciate, if people made sure I really didn't address their question in my videos.
That's where you come in - at least in case I did actually answer it in my videos...
But anyhow:
On the new Drive Pro the rotation is covered by the curve in the highback on both, inside and outside. At 12° on the back foot I still have material to push into on the highback.
On my old pair of Drives I'm running two left highbacks!! That way the curve on the outside is actually on the inside on the back leg.
The Skate tech works at any angle that requires that pressure is being directed across the board through the feet. This, IMO, stops around 36°, which I don't really ride. Past 36 it becomes less and less efficient to work with the feet across the board and it's all hips. At that point, yes, the whole thing is pointless and then also there needs to be highback rotation.
So back to my OG answer: 30/9 is not that crazy Posi and it works well for me with NOW bindings and my angles.
However, I completely get your point!!
The other criticism of the system would be that having an adjustable heel cup would keep the whole mechanism centred over the inserts when adjusting boot centring. I suggested this to JF (NOW owner) in 2012 already, and he agreed but explained how difficult that would be to achieve from an engineering and structural integrity standpoint.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel Thanks for the reply. Be Well.
"Let's talk about back leg" :)
I have problem to properly bend ankle of back leg. I'm talking about this "lateral" bending (towards the nose of the board).
In one hand I thought that the "carving bindings" are the "stiffest" one.
But yesterday I saw this:
ruclips.net/video/P_66jYAcoo8/видео.html This guy shows a binding feature that allows to bend ankle more easily and to achive a proper position in "posi angles" carving.
That suggests that the carving binding should be more flexible sideways?
Could you comment the feature of the binding from that video? Is that really something worth to bother?
But if the flexibility in sideways is so important to achive a proper back leg position - how alpine snowboarders achive that position in hard boots? :)
Okay.......... so back leg......
Get ready for a long text.......
What you describe as your problem may be a result of too wide of a stance, too little ankle flexibility, not enough backfoot binding angle, too much backfoot binding angle or possibly other things I can't think of right now.
Key is: with posi angles the more posi you go on the backfoot, the more ankle flex forward you will need - that's just biomechanics! If you apply a narrower stance, that'll be less of a thing, but you can only go so narrow. So what you really want is heel and inward canting, which you might have to build yourself with rubber on the foot ramp - just glue on some firm rubber of sorts along the outside and under the heel. That's one solution.
When I execute the movement this gentleman is executing - inwards push of the back knee combined with flexing the knee towards the nose, I want that to bring power to the heel edge!! His binding simply gives him flex in that direction, and that flex kills power transfer!! It might be comfortable and easier to do, but it's a little inefficient. If he needs to push sideways this much, maybe his binding angle should be more posi?!
The gadget on the binding I thought was actually to keep the strap open when you're in the lift line type thing... If it's built in stretch, then that is terrible.... That strap is all we have to bring power to the toe edge. You can't give the strap its lateral stretch without also giving it its forward stretch, so for me that would likely feel wrong. I want a tall heel cup to lean into when I execute this movement, bringing power to the heel edge!! He wants the movement!
From all the texts you've sent here I get a feeling that this is a physical issue of yours and that canting may be the only solution. Fun stuff to experiment with! :-)
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel "Get ready for a long text......."
That's how I like it :)
"The gadget on the binding I thought was actually to keep the strap open when you're in the lift line type thing..."
Yeah, I found DRAKE's catalog. This feature is called "Eazy Entry". It is just for make the boots entry "easier".
Thank you for your reply.
PS
"From all the texts you've sent here I get a feeling that this is a physical issue of yours and that canting may be the only solution."
Great, the Third World War is near, Klaus Schwab wants to have all humans as a slaves and now... another "sport" where my body don't allows me to fully enoy it.
I think I just go to the corner and... cry a little ;D
@@Rotaks create the canting!! It’s satisfying to make a solution!! 🔥🙌👍