Silverstone pole 2024 vs 2023: How 2024 lost S1 but still won massively

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  • Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
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  • @kento6201
    @kento6201 7 месяцев назад +140

    Crazy to think that the RB19 pole lap is slower than Albon's Williams in yesterday's qualifying 🤯🤯

    • @parliache3329
      @parliache3329 7 месяцев назад +11

      or a Haas

    • @kento6201
      @kento6201 7 месяцев назад +5

      @@parliache3329 that's soo true.

    • @Twenty23-w9x
      @Twenty23-w9x 7 месяцев назад

      Still faster than Perez​@@kento6201

    • @citrous
      @citrous 7 месяцев назад

      yeah why couldnt williams just build this years car last year i dont get it

    • @kento6201
      @kento6201 7 месяцев назад +9

      @@citrous as JV mentioned. The team is using 20 year old systems in car development. It's amazing how they are performing despite their current situation.

  • @AlexTheG71
    @AlexTheG71 7 месяцев назад +78

    Perhaps it's important to note that the first apex at the Vale chicane was altered slightly and Russell was able to take a slightly tighter line compared to Verstappen having to avoid the sausage kerb. That would have helped the 2024 lap time too for sure

  • @ShirayukiRaito
    @ShirayukiRaito 7 месяцев назад +23

    I also noticed a meta on 2024 qualy this year alot of drivers didnt push too hard on sector 1 to save tyres in sector 2&3 on last Q3 lap Russel went Yellow purple purple and lewis yellow green green

    • @stephenmiguel919
      @stephenmiguel919 7 месяцев назад +6

      i think the yellow sector 1 in russell's lap is because he had a tiny snap of oversteer at the exit of turn 4 which compromise his speed on the straight

    • @sebfresh5899
      @sebfresh5899 7 месяцев назад

      the same thing lewis did in his 2020 pole lap if he had a new set of soft s he would of probably did a 1.23.9 or higher

    • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
      @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 7 месяцев назад +6

      @@ShirayukiRaito the tires can’t handle 1 lap quali push runs this year
      Thank you Pirelli! (Sarcasm)

  • @lucaasdev
    @lucaasdev 7 месяцев назад +42

    Copse became almost a straight line for these current Formula 1 cars. The way cars have evolved in downforce over the last 10 years is impressive

    • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
      @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@lucaasdev the teams indeed just see it as a straight line according to telemetry

    • @jonihamalainen2228
      @jonihamalainen2228 7 месяцев назад +1

      That was also a straight line for the top team cars in 04 so 20 years ago also ;)

    • @omsingh3982
      @omsingh3982 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 lewis definitely saw it as a straight line in 2021 lmao

    • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
      @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 7 месяцев назад

      @@omsingh3982 Yo chill lmaoo
      it was an unfortunate ending though the first lap of the sprint race and the first half lap of the GP was some of the hardest racing you’ll ever in this sport

    • @lucaasdev
      @lucaasdev 7 месяцев назад +1

      Okay, we went from "Copse became a straight" to the touch between Max and Lewis in 2021. Lol

  • @MadelnOahu
    @MadelnOahu 7 месяцев назад +3

    A cool graphic addition would be an arrow that turns according to the direction of the wind so we could visually see where in the track its having an impact

  • @samueltwum-barima8951
    @samueltwum-barima8951 7 месяцев назад +198

    2024 beat 2021 comparison time

    • @akbarhogiwibowo1473
      @akbarhogiwibowo1473 7 месяцев назад +16

      Post 2021 car can never outspeed 2020-2021 car. Those two years were the peak of f1 cars

    • @bosshunterman
      @bosshunterman 7 месяцев назад +87

      @@akbarhogiwibowo1473 ... Yet it just did it (beat 2021's pole lap time)... 2020 stands alone as the absolute peak year, 2019 - 2021 traded blows, but 2019 was faster on average .

    • @zackaqzarka9269
      @zackaqzarka9269 7 месяцев назад +7

      ​@@akbarhogiwibowo1473George already did beat it though...

    • @Abhinav-ng2xv
      @Abhinav-ng2xv 7 месяцев назад +22

      Beat 2018 pole time as well in worse conditions. These cars are getting ridiculously quick again.

    • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
      @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 7 месяцев назад +20

      @@akbarhogiwibowo1473Nah peak F1 performance is 2019-20
      The 2021 cars had their wings clipped quite a bit

  • @No-Name360
    @No-Name360 7 месяцев назад +121

    2017 - 1.26.600 secs
    2018 - 1.25.892 secs
    2019 - 1.25.093 secs
    2020 - 1.24.303 secs
    2021 - 1.26.134 secs
    2023 - 1.26.720 secs
    Now 2024 - 1.25.819 secs that's close to 2018 , so can we see a comparison between 2018 and 2024. Need to know how even with new ground effect they are similar Maybe 2018 is faster in straights

    • @willnairn5903
      @willnairn5903 7 месяцев назад +20

      If there was no rain this weekend and the track stayed rubbered in, I reckon the 2024pole time woulda been another 0.25-0.5 sec faster.

    • @iceandcoldwinter14
      @iceandcoldwinter14 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@willnairn5903perhaps, but it would be comparison between 2024 and 2019

    • @Srga91
      @Srga91 7 месяцев назад +19

      The 2018 cars were faster on the straights due to the quali mode of the engines (except the Hangar straight for some reason). 2018 top speed before T1 was 13 kph higher than 2024 and a total of 0.26 sec faster before T3, then stretched it to 0.4 by the end of S1. 2024 gained time through T6 & 7 and up to Copse, because of the tail wind, before losing again down to Maggots. Through the next two corners and through the Hangar straight 2024 gains 0.1 sec, but the real damage is done in the final sector. In Stowe 2024 gains another tenth and through the final couple of corners almost 0.25 (most of it in T17).
      Now imagine the 2024 car having full quali mode and being 50-70 kg lighter - that car would be an absolute beast around Silverstone!

    • @andrearancan9214
      @andrearancan9214 7 месяцев назад

      2018 cars on permanent tracks like Silverstone, Bahrain, Austria, Suzuka were about 1s faster in Quali mode on avg.
      At Silverstone they were equally fast because it was hotter and the tyre couldn't be pushed as they did yesterday.

    • @AndresSztaba
      @AndresSztaba 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@Srga91In 2018 DRS was available on the main straight, that's why they had so much better top speed there (those cars had less drag than nowdays, stop it with the "the new cars have less drag" nonsense), so tha's the main reason, the other is that there were some strange gusts of wind back then, so teams elected to deploy ERS charge differently. These cars do have qualy mode tho, they can still make ERS mappings that are more agressive than on race trim, only thing yhey can't change is the conventional engine's mode back and forth. If they select a more powerful mode to qualify, they have to use it all the way, they can't dial it down, if they choose to run a more conservative setting, they can't turn it up a notch. I'm pretty sure they've already figured out how to turn it up without losing too much durability. No matter how light you could make these current cars, they have two limiting factors that being even 100kg lighter they can't overcome: downforce at medium-slow speeds due to airflow bleeding off the underside, and mechanical suspensions (coil-overs vs hydraulic "springs" and shocks) being less precise to absorb the track's bumps and whatever else is on the ground, regardless of how refined they can be, I believe we're seeing these current cars performance ceiling being reached nowdays, the previous ones had still room for improvement. Underbody downforce and conventional suspensions are inherently inferior to topside aero and hydraulic suspensions...

  • @all6dar703
    @all6dar703 7 месяцев назад +20

    2025 cars will be the fastest we ever had since 2019

    • @yeti1410
      @yeti1410 7 месяцев назад +7

      Rather 2020

    • @emilekaram6094
      @emilekaram6094 7 месяцев назад +7

      2026 was a possible record breaking year if the regulation changes were in 2027 rather than 2026

  • @hekuranisufaj1152
    @hekuranisufaj1152 6 месяцев назад +1

    1.5 seconds slower than W11 is mind blowing

  • @angrychicken3890
    @angrychicken3890 3 месяца назад +1

    I’m here to do the comparison yeslistener didn’t make: W15 vs W11, and starting to use split screen my laptop now gave me that idea and made convenient.
    He provided telemetry about the W11 in his W11 vs RB19 video making the comparison with the W11 possible. With both videos, staring the RB19 we have an idea of the track conditions of the W15’s pole lap in relation to the W11.
    I’m just going to throw in the RB19 too, so I can just directly quote stuff and you guys can figure it out. It also serves as another comparison.
    Something, I noticed while watching both of yeslistner’s videos for the telemetry is that the RB pole in the two videos don’t have the same consistent telemetry but it’s only a small difference. The RB’s telemetry will be from the latest video.
    I’ll be only looking at turns that aren’t taken flat out for all of them because we are looking at differences in capabilities.
    Sector and pole times:
    W11: 27.227, 33.896, 23.18, 1:24.303
    W15: 28.016, 34.508, 23.295, 1:26.720
    RB: 27.482, 35.234, 24.004, 1:25.819
    A direct quote about the track conditions:
    RB19 vs W11:
    “W11 and RB19 are 2 of the most dominant F1 cars ever. W11 is the fastest F1 car ever and set the Silverstone track record in 2020 Q3. It was a lot windier in 2020, helping it achieving much higher top speeds on non-DRS straights. Overall the wind helped W11 in laptime.”
    W15 vs RB19:
    “Track conditions were roughly the same: Both were in damp condition after a wet FP3. Both had very limited amount of rubbered in. Wind speeds were about the same but the directions were opposite and this played a role in laptime deficit.”
    My summary:
    The W15 pole lap had subpar conditions with dampness after FP3, less rubbering in of the track, and wind conditions being worse for the W15 than the RB19. The W11 seems to have much better conditions overall while having the help of the wind reaching higher non-DRS speeds on the straights.
    Definitely important. Reaching T1:
    RB19 vs W11 video:
    “T1 top speeds: W11 6km/h higher than RB19. Tail wind helped W11 here.” The top speeds were 309 and 303.
    W15 vs RB19 video:
    Top speeds were about the same with the W15 being 303 vs 302 with the W15 having tail wind support while the RB had the opposite.
    So W11 at 309 vs W15 at 303, and I think this is where the stronger winds helped the W11 compared to the W15.
    T3 Village, T4 The Loop:
    W11: 117, 93
    W15: 115, 90
    RB: 113, 94
    What I think are important notes to keep in mind from the two videos:
    “Verstappen went to full throttle in the middle of T3-T4, and still positioned the car perfectly for T4 entry. Russell had an understeer at T4 entry and was already 0.25s behind at T5.”
    “Despite a similar speed in mid-corner, RB19 fell behind at the exit and the acceleration. At the DRS detection line W11 already 6km/h higher.”
    Important to note right before heading into T6:
    
“2024 top speed before T6 was 13km/h lower. 2024 head wind, 2024 tail wind here. Wind came into play in both ways: on straights it helped Verstappen, but into T6-T7 it’d be on Russell’s side.” 328 vs 315.”
    
“But here RB19 had a much higher DRS top speed. There’re 2 reasons
    - W11 had a head wind.
    - New ground-effect cars less draggy when DRS open.”
    Even though this isn’t a turn, it serves for anyone who wanted to try and figure out the direction of the wind and how much the wind factored.
    T6 Brooklands, T7 Luffield:
    W11: 178, 125
    W15: 172, 116
    RB: 156, 115
    Important to keep in mind and quoted:
    “With the help of the head wind, Russell braked 20m later than Verstappen before T6 and destroyed him in T6-7. That 0.5 S1 deficit was totally erased in just 2 corners. And now it’s 2023 head wind and 2024 tail wind.”
    T10-11 Maggotts, T11 Becketts, T13 Chapel:
    W11: Flat, 278, 228
    W15: Flat, 277, 223
    RB: Flat, 275, 224
    T15 Stowe:
    W11: 240
    W15: 240
    RB: 229
    Important to keep in mind and quoted:
    “Russell scored a much higher T15 speed. 240km/h in T15 is at 2019-2020 cars’ level. This was slightly helped by the head wind of cause.”
    T16 Vale, T17, Club:
    W11: 103, 135
    W15: 107, 132
    RB: 99, 117
    Maybe important to keep in mind and quoted:
    “2024 completely destroyed 2023 in T16-17. Russell won over 0.6s in these 2 corners. Russell’s tires seemed to have more life left after S2, and he was abl to attack T16-17 much more aggressively.”
    My thoughts:
    "Given that cars like the SF-24 and MCL38 might already be better than the W15, we’re probably close to seeing the W11’s legendary cornering matched at low speeds. The W15 and W11 had similar cornering speeds, but wind was a big factor that skewed the comparison, especially in the pole lap times.
    I’m curious what you guys think about my approach here. In yeslistener’s Jeddah video comparing the W12 and RB20, I noticed that in a particular turn the W12 has to lift slightly around 180 km/h, while the RB20 can take it flat out at a higher speed. This seems to show that 180 km/h is a tipping point-any turn the W12 takes at or above 180 km/h is where the RB20 can start to go faster, likely because ground effect becomes more effective at those speeds. This pattern suggests these newer cars are becoming faster overall.
    I’m betting that with the right car and driver, we might see the W11 finally dethroned next year at high-speed circuits like Spa next year.
    And shoutout to yeslistener for providing telemetry on the W11 and W15 along with track conditions and driving mistakes-made this analysis possible!"

  • @vamositalia4600
    @vamositalia4600 7 месяцев назад +12

    It seems that for Vale(turn 16) they made the orange sausage kerb a lot more flat this year, so they could attack and cut more the entry of that corner.

    • @alexisborden3191
      @alexisborden3191 7 месяцев назад

      That's not the only thing that's getting you 6 tenths through there though.

  • @itzz_mayank013
    @itzz_mayank013 7 месяцев назад +25

    We need W15 vs W11 and W12

    • @ZaneAndrae
      @ZaneAndrae 7 месяцев назад +2

      W11 gonna clear that for sure

    • @Hungary_0987
      @Hungary_0987 3 месяца назад

      @@ZaneAndraestill

  • @86daniel
    @86daniel 7 месяцев назад

    Your analyses help me enjoy the intricacies of F1 so much more. Thank you!!

  • @mohammadhosainusofimotlagh6295
    @mohammadhosainusofimotlagh6295 7 месяцев назад +4

    Feels like T16 is a bit wider this year thanks to the new susage curb which allows the cars to ride it.

  • @JantzyGaming0504
    @JantzyGaming0504 7 месяцев назад +4

    Russel Is on fire after the Austrian GP

  • @Miaukot81
    @Miaukot81 7 месяцев назад

    I still love the '21 cars, much more allive and aggressive into corners, nimble and snappy. This era is more on the smoothness, at least that's how I see it.

  • @Jett-n-gin
    @Jett-n-gin 7 месяцев назад

    Great comparison!

  • @DerpSherman
    @DerpSherman 7 месяцев назад

    And George apparently inherited Leclerc's curse, "you can get a pole at home,but victory is nowhere near".

  • @guyayori
    @guyayori 7 месяцев назад

    Could you make a video of recent Stroll and Alonso comparison? Because I've no idea how this windowlicker is quicker then Nando, but because of the sabotaging

  • @Wafflecombo54
    @Wafflecombo54 7 месяцев назад

    You should do the 2020 cars next comparison before ground effect era

  • @Lonelyplanet3
    @Lonelyplanet3 7 месяцев назад +2

    Nice content

  • @alcidespereira4177
    @alcidespereira4177 6 месяцев назад

    ❤❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @lucastubing994
    @lucastubing994 7 месяцев назад +1

    please do a comparision with 21 and or 18

  • @andrecarrato6359
    @andrecarrato6359 7 месяцев назад

    "Ideal conditions" would offer us a sub 25 time.

  • @ste9856
    @ste9856 7 месяцев назад +1

    Can you do 2014 va 2021 vs 2024 car?

  • @mr.g6836
    @mr.g6836 7 месяцев назад

    I hate the new camera angle on the 2024 onboards

  • @Mumbx
    @Mumbx 7 месяцев назад +3

    w vid

  • @samueltwum-barima8951
    @samueltwum-barima8951 7 месяцев назад +3

    W

  • @user-hk2gl5b6wz
    @user-hk2gl5b6wz 7 месяцев назад

    The Red Bull car was always understeered and sluggish.

  • @yurilopes420
    @yurilopes420 7 месяцев назад +1

    so is red bull just straight not the fastest car anymore?
    like at some points the "this or that happened unlucky" just become too coincidental, no?
    also, on race pace, mclaren seems to be always following and now mercedes is consistently at the top

    • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
      @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 7 месяцев назад

      @@yurilopes420 hard to gauge for this track as Perez stacked it on his out lap and Max damaged his car in Q1
      Yesterday quali was not representative for them

    • @omsingh3982
      @omsingh3982 7 месяцев назад +1

      no, not really. mercedes was definitely 3rd in austria, mclaren was fastest, perez is cooked. redbull is just not the fastest car by a margin now, and yesterday's quali times cannot be representative of their true pace anyway.

    • @jacobe8501
      @jacobe8501 7 месяцев назад

      Red Bull hasn’t been fastest since China.

    • @karussoul
      @karussoul 7 месяцев назад

      McLaren was the fastest in the mixed conditions, while Mercedes was the fastest in the dry, based on last weekend's race.
      Races after China:
      Miami: McL RBR Fer
      Imola: McL RBR Fer
      Monaco: McL Fer Mer
      (Ferrari fell off after Monaco)
      Canada: Mer McL RBR
      Spain: McL RBR Mer
      Austria: McL RBR Mer
      Britain: Mer McL RBR

    • @omsingh3982
      @omsingh3982 7 месяцев назад

      @@karussoul No way merc was fastest in canada. ferrari was clearly the fastest in monaco too. perez is holding back honest performance analyses of rbr. they might have been he fastest in imola.

  • @arthursatria7219
    @arthursatria7219 7 месяцев назад +3

    w15 = w11

    • @manishapadave8390
      @manishapadave8390 7 месяцев назад +7

      Nah not even close. 2024 f1 cars are slower then 2020. W11 had more downforce on the corners causing it to go flat out confidently in some corners

    • @Franceee___
      @Franceee___ 7 месяцев назад +1

      High speed corners is very close but mid and low speed are still very much off

    • @justincharles6585
      @justincharles6585 7 месяцев назад

      Could never

  • @roll_and_on_greatest
    @roll_and_on_greatest 7 месяцев назад +13

    After watching, can anyone explain to me what is Headwind and Tailwind?

    • @5950ziel
      @5950ziel 7 месяцев назад +34

      Headwind is blowing from the front of the car. Increases your level of downforce. Tailwind decreases your level of downforce hence you can't brake as late as with headwind but it almost works as a DRS when you want to go full throttle on a straight.

    • @ric0chet_01
      @ric0chet_01 7 месяцев назад +10

      headwind is wind that is coming directly at the car to the driver's face, while tailwind is wind from behind, which pushes them forwards

    • @pokonaldo8198
      @pokonaldo8198 7 месяцев назад +11

      Headwind = the wind is against the flow of the car making the straight line speed decrease however you can brake later.
      Tailwind = the wind is with the flow of the car making the straight line speed increase however you must brake earlier to avoid losing lap time during corners.

    • @ViceWave249
      @ViceWave249 7 месяцев назад +6

      @roll_and_on_greatest
      It all depends on direction. Headwind is the wind that comes from the front and hits your face, while tailwind comes from behind and hits your back. Same for a car. Headwind comes from forward and hits the front wing while tailwind does the opposite. Hope you understood. Tailwind increases speed of car since the wind the pushing it.

    • @JasonBebopp343
      @JasonBebopp343 7 месяцев назад +5

      Headwind blows towards you. You will feel it on your face.
      Tailwind blows from behind. You will feel it on the back of your head

  • @iamlato
    @iamlato 7 месяцев назад +2

    2019 spa pole was 1.2s slower but still had 2 sectors over 2020, just because the merc was 2s faster in s2

    • @WeirdBrick
      @WeirdBrick 7 месяцев назад +3

      Spa varies like that due to the different setups drivers have. It’s not always down to different year regs.
      There’s no other race where we see such different setups

    • @dimglow
      @dimglow 7 месяцев назад +5

      merc ran a high downforce setup in 2020

    • @omsingh3982
      @omsingh3982 7 месяцев назад +1

      that is because mercedes had a higher df setup in 2020. s2 requires downforce more than any other sector at spa.

    • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
      @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@iamlato 2019 Spa pole had the warp speed Ferrari engine lol that was totally legal!
      (I think about that engine every night)

  • @EthnicE-j4p
    @EthnicE-j4p 7 месяцев назад +1

    Wsp

  • @Azmania3000
    @Azmania3000 7 месяцев назад +2

    Well this is all well and good; but are they faster than the F2004 on slicks?

    • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
      @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 7 месяцев назад +3

      Don’t finish me here 😭😭😭🤣

    • @Azmania3000
      @Azmania3000 7 месяцев назад +4

      @@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 that's right old friend. Just give me one admission though: In theory, changing the tyre is the simplest alteration that can be made to a vehicle, to have the greatest impact on performance.
      Really, tell your kids to buy good rubbers in case of an accident 😃

    • @manishapadave8390
      @manishapadave8390 7 месяцев назад +4

      F2004 might beat RB19 with slicks and also W15 of russell. It would be difficult to defeat the W11 as it was just a rocketship in the form of a car

    • @No-Name360
      @No-Name360 7 месяцев назад +6

      @@Azmania3000 consider their are more high speed turns and medium speed turns , the f2004 won't even be closer to modern cars, but it could have more speed in straights

    • @Franceee___
      @Franceee___ 7 месяцев назад +3

      I’d reckon they could go maybe as fast as 2016 cars imo, depending on what tires and compound they use obviously, but nothing close to modern F1 cars. Maybe on tracks like Monza they’d have a shot but here in silverstone there’s no way😂

  • @Malc180s
    @Malc180s 7 месяцев назад

    "completely destroyed" is lazy unimaginative English. It destroyed nothing, it was a bit faster. Can we all try harder?

  • @saaber95
    @saaber95 7 месяцев назад +3

    30 minutes ago the track was damp...2024 machinery could do much better if the rain never happened. Also if Verstappens car was not damaged he could do a better time than Russels. 2024 conditions was worst than 2023 conditions you are wrong about that.