Thanks for keeping support for the 5.1! As a Sound Engineer I do have many of thoose in daily use. We use sonnet products (tb3 boxes, ssd sleds, pcie cards, nvme, usb cards). Keep up good work. Always happy to see compatibility to the 5.1 line. They are here to stay (Monterey is gonna be compatible with the 5.1a still).
Can you do a video on showing how to set up bootcamp using a Samsung NVME on M.2 PCIe Card because there are no videos on this for mac. Please and thank you!
Adaptor card with no bifurcation will not support more than 1 nvme at a time. We have tried many out there and none have been able to see more than one drive. Not sure if bifurcation is even support by 5,1!
The Sonnet M.2 4x4 will support two NVMe SSDs in the Mac Pro 5,1; Mac Pro 7,1, or any PC with PCIe slots. You are correct that the 5,1 does not support bifurcation. Most computers don't. That's why Sonnet designed this card that does not rely on bifurcation, so that it would work universally.
I added one of these to my Mac Pro Mid 2010 with a Samsung 990. It was working great. It was freezing on me and I force shutdown and now nothing comes on besides the light. When hope the button to power off it just turns off instantly so I know it’s not booting. What can I do to fix this or is it just corrupted? I notice before this happened while using Logic Pro x it would freeze and wouldn’t allow the music to stop and even shows like pixel issue. Sometimes it would take 5 minutes to get out of this freeze that played my whole song. That’s when I decided to force shut down and now it won’t boot. Just the light shows when I touch the power button and turns off immediately when I touch it to turn off.
Depends on the SSD, but read/write can be ~3000MB/s for a single bootable SSD. Sonnet has listed SSD manufacturers published read/write speeds at sonnettech.com/support/downloads/manuals/M2_compatibility.pdf The Sonnet card gives each SSD four lanes of PCIe 3, so PCIe 3 SSDs should operate at their published speeds.
@@SonnetTech I was referring to the one shown in the video. The video only referenced “ you can get speeds up too “ but never state any benchmarks with what was installed
Nice and clear made this video. Few questions regarding this unit in MAC Pro 5.1: 1. Sonnet m.2 4x4 PCIe Card - this is only adapter (without "hardware" RAID), correct? 2. Raid function an user can setup using software Raid (native in OSX), correct? 3. Sonnet Fusion Dual 2.5" Raid PCIe card + 2x4TB SSD 2.5" - in this scenario (I mean hardware Raid) can I install OSX Mojave (10.14.6)? I don't understand, why Sonnet m.2 4x4 is relatively very expensive. Sonnet Fusion instead has additional USB C (3.2 gen 2) input. But I'm not sure regarding bootable feature...
1. This adapter does not include hardware RAID. macOS supports RAID 0. Windows 10 and Linux support RAID 0 and RAID 5. 2. RAID 0 is native in macOS. SoftRAID for Mac (sold separately) also supports RAID 5, and it is faster than macOS RAID. 3. Sonnet Fusion Dual 2.5" RAID is hardware RAID, but it does not support booting in any computer. 4. The Sonnet M.2 4x4 is relatively more expensive because it has a 32-lane PCIe 3 bridge chip, bridging a 16-lane PCIe slot to four 4-lane M.2 SSDs, providing an aggregate bandwith nearly 12,000 MB/s (or half that in a MacPro 5,1, which has only a PCIe 2 bus). The Sonnet Fusion Dual 2.5" SSD RAID card allows you to RAID two 2.5" SATA SSDs, which have a lower cost per TB, but the total bandwidth is only 1000MB/s (800MB/s in a Mac Pro 5,1).
Thanks in advance for helping me out with some advice concerning the 4x4 card in conjunction with crucial p5 plus names....I would install these in a Mac Pro 5,1 according to the compatibility list on the sonnet web side but would get only bad results. That means if the 4x4 sonnet card is installed with four crucial p5 plus names the machine would not boot into Mojave but restarting every 30 seconds. At this point Mojave would still be on a internal SDD drive but the machine would not boot. Does someone have a solution or even an answer to where that would be coming from.... I thought it could be the power consumption over all but need to be sure about to take further steps towards a practical solution. Again, thanks in advance for any hint concerning that matter!
Weirdly, but after doing exactly what is shown in the video, but only using a switched OWC Accelsior 4M2 card that's supposed to be better than the Sonnet i am getting ca. 2780 MB/s read/write with 3 Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe's in the Raid0....
You have it backwards. The Sonnet M.2 4x4 connects to the computer with 16 lanes of PCIe, whereas the OWC Accelsior 2M4 card connects to the computer with only 8 lanes of PCIe, so the Sonnet card will be twice as fast as the OWC card in a RAID configuration.
@@SonnetTech a mac pro 5,1 does 1500 MB per 4 pcie lanes. So 1500 MB on the boot and 4500 on the raid 0 on 3 NVME's. 6GB is only when you run 4 NVME cards in raid 0. This video is clearly incorrect :D
Each lane of PCIe 2.0 has a data transfer rate of 5GT/s. PCIe encoding is 8 bits of data per 10 bits transferred, so 4Gb/s per lane of data, 16Gb/s per four lanes, 8000MB/s per 4 lanes. How close you get depends on overhead. @@Madrrrrrrrrrrr
@@SonnetTech In the real world i have never seen more than 1500MB/s per 4 lanes NVME on a mac pro 5,1 at a blackmagic speed test. Even if you put the fastest NVME in it.
Which is better formatting the M.2 Pcie Card as a Raid 0 or as a storage controller? I think I formatted as a Raid 0 but I continue to have issues with my Mac Pro 5,1 (OS Catalina) running slow. I also thought I was saving data to the raid card but now I think it just mirrors my SATA Boot Drive as anything I delete from the sonnet M.2 also is deleted from My SATA Drive. Sorry I'm a bit of a novice here. Mind you I'm also trying to render and edit 4k footage in FCPX. Thanks for any feedback.
@@Sparky400 - Most likely because it not part of an Apple stock bus - so the system presumes it is external. It has always been this way AFAIK - never had an issue with it, though. As long as the drive is not in use - it can be ejected - also it can easily be remounted. For certain Carbon Copy Cloner backups (bootable backup) I have the software unmount the backup drive after it completes the backup - which just gives me a cleaner looking desktop (and less confusion on system wide searches) - so it can even be useful!
Do I need to fill all 4 ssd slots for this to work or can I install 1 ssd boot drive and add other ssd's for raid 0 later? Likewise, can I have 1ssd boot and then only 2 ssds as raid 0? What happens if I only have 2 ssds? Sorry for all the questions...lol
Thanks for keeping support for the 5.1!
As a Sound Engineer I do have many of thoose in daily use. We use sonnet products (tb3 boxes, ssd sleds, pcie cards, nvme, usb cards). Keep up good work. Always happy to see compatibility to the 5.1 line. They are here to stay (Monterey is gonna be compatible with the 5.1a still).
its not compatabile tho 🤔 5,1 can only go up to mojave, from there its only open core.
@@ifiwantyoutofeel so ?
Crazy good work you guys still come up with cards for classic 4,1 5,1
Can you do a video on showing how to set up bootcamp using a Samsung NVME on M.2 PCIe Card because there are no videos on this for mac. Please and thank you!
i didnt need to know any of this but i listened cus i like ur voice
Can you run NVME on 10.8 Mountain Lion?
Apple supported NVMe beginning with 10.13.6 High Sierra
@@SonnetTech how about third party drivers?
@@GL-uy3fd Nope
Adaptor card with no bifurcation will not support more than 1 nvme at a time. We have tried many out there and none have been able to see more than one drive. Not sure if bifurcation is even support by 5,1!
The Sonnet M.2 4x4 will support two NVMe SSDs in the Mac Pro 5,1; Mac Pro 7,1, or any PC with PCIe slots. You are correct that the 5,1 does not support bifurcation. Most computers don't. That's why Sonnet designed this card that does not rely on bifurcation, so that it would work universally.
@@SonnetTech Thank you very much! Best regards!
Sonnet. Can i use the first nvme as the system drive with big sur and the second nvme as a raid drive?
Yes, you can. The SSDs show up as individual volumes, and you may create a RAID as you wish. You can only boot from a single SSD.
I added one of these to my Mac Pro Mid 2010 with a Samsung 990. It was working great. It was freezing on me and I force shutdown and now nothing comes on besides the light. When hope the button to power off it just turns off instantly so I know it’s not booting. What can I do to fix this or is it just corrupted?
I notice before this happened while using Logic Pro x it would freeze and wouldn’t allow the music to stop and even shows like pixel issue.
Sometimes it would take 5 minutes to get out of this freeze that played my whole song.
That’s when I decided to force shut down and now it won’t boot.
Just the light shows when I touch the power button and turns off immediately when I touch it to turn off.
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What’s the actual read/write performance of the single bootable ssd?
Depends on the SSD, but read/write can be ~3000MB/s for a single bootable SSD. Sonnet has listed SSD manufacturers published read/write speeds at sonnettech.com/support/downloads/manuals/M2_compatibility.pdf The Sonnet card gives each SSD four lanes of PCIe 3, so PCIe 3 SSDs should operate at their published speeds.
@@SonnetTech I was referring to the one shown in the video. The video only referenced “ you can get speeds up too “ but never state any benchmarks with what was installed
Nice and clear made this video. Few questions regarding this unit in MAC Pro 5.1:
1. Sonnet m.2 4x4 PCIe Card - this is only adapter (without "hardware" RAID), correct?
2. Raid function an user can setup using software Raid (native in OSX), correct?
3. Sonnet Fusion Dual 2.5" Raid PCIe card + 2x4TB SSD 2.5" - in this scenario (I mean hardware Raid) can I install OSX Mojave (10.14.6)?
I don't understand, why Sonnet m.2 4x4 is relatively very expensive. Sonnet Fusion instead has additional USB C (3.2 gen 2) input. But I'm not sure regarding bootable feature...
1. This adapter does not include hardware RAID. macOS supports RAID 0. Windows 10 and Linux support RAID 0 and RAID 5.
2. RAID 0 is native in macOS. SoftRAID for Mac (sold separately) also supports RAID 5, and it is faster than macOS RAID.
3. Sonnet Fusion Dual 2.5" RAID is hardware RAID, but it does not support booting in any computer.
4. The Sonnet M.2 4x4 is relatively more expensive because it has a 32-lane PCIe 3 bridge chip, bridging a 16-lane PCIe slot to four 4-lane M.2 SSDs, providing an aggregate bandwith nearly 12,000 MB/s (or half that in a MacPro 5,1, which has only a PCIe 2 bus). The Sonnet Fusion Dual 2.5" SSD RAID card allows you to RAID two 2.5" SATA SSDs, which have a lower cost per TB, but the total bandwidth is only 1000MB/s (800MB/s in a Mac Pro 5,1).
Does it still work with Filevault2 encryption?
Filevault2 encryption supports individual SSDs and RAID volumes.
Great video with super clear instructions!.
Thanks in advance for helping me out with some advice concerning the 4x4 card in conjunction with crucial p5 plus names....I would install these in a Mac Pro 5,1 according to the compatibility list on the sonnet web side but would get only bad results. That means if the 4x4 sonnet card is installed with four crucial p5 plus names the machine would not boot into Mojave but restarting every 30 seconds. At this point Mojave would still be on a internal SDD drive but the machine would not boot. Does someone have a solution or even an answer to where that would be coming from.... I thought it could be the power consumption over all but need to be sure about to take further steps towards a practical solution. Again, thanks in advance for any hint concerning that matter!
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Help, will this work on a 2009 4.1 flashed to 5.1 ?
Yes, it will, as long as you are also running macOS 10.13.6. We don't know whether you will be able to boot, though.
@@SonnetTech so this doesn't work in El Capitan?
@@trakliteproductions Apple supports NVMe beginning in High Sierra
Weirdly, but after doing exactly what is shown in the video, but only using a switched OWC Accelsior 4M2 card that's supposed to be better than the Sonnet i am getting ca. 2780 MB/s read/write with 3 Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe's in the Raid0....
You have it backwards. The Sonnet M.2 4x4 connects to the computer with 16 lanes of PCIe, whereas the OWC Accelsior 2M4 card connects to the computer with only 8 lanes of PCIe, so the Sonnet card will be twice as fast as the OWC card in a RAID configuration.
@@SonnetTech a mac pro 5,1 does 1500 MB per 4 pcie lanes. So 1500 MB on the boot and 4500 on the raid 0 on 3 NVME's. 6GB is only when you run 4 NVME cards in raid 0. This video is clearly incorrect :D
Each lane of PCIe 2.0 has a data transfer rate of 5GT/s. PCIe encoding is 8 bits of data per 10 bits transferred, so 4Gb/s per lane of data, 16Gb/s per four lanes, 8000MB/s per 4 lanes. How close you get depends on overhead. @@Madrrrrrrrrrrr
@@SonnetTech In the real world i have never seen more than 1500MB/s per 4 lanes NVME on a mac pro 5,1 at a blackmagic speed test. Even if you put the fastest NVME in it.
Which is better formatting the M.2 Pcie Card as a Raid 0 or as a storage controller? I think I formatted as a Raid 0 but I continue to have issues with my Mac Pro 5,1 (OS Catalina) running slow. I also thought I was saving data to the raid card but now I think it just mirrors my SATA Boot Drive as anything I delete from the sonnet M.2 also is deleted from My SATA Drive. Sorry I'm a bit of a novice here. Mind you I'm also trying to render and edit 4k footage in FCPX. Thanks for any feedback.
For questions like this, we recommend you contact support@sonnettech.com
@@SonnetTech Thank you
Why still shows as an external ejectable Disk if is Internal Array? Is there a fix for that?
@@SonnetTech Why does this video show them as external?
macOS decides whether to treat volumes as internal or external, and macOS will do as it decides. The SSDs can still be used as boot volumes.
@@Sparky400 - Most likely because it not part of an Apple stock bus - so the system presumes it is external. It has always been this way AFAIK - never had an issue with it, though. As long as the drive is not in use - it can be ejected - also it can easily be remounted.
For certain Carbon Copy Cloner backups (bootable backup) I have the software unmount the backup drive after it completes the backup - which just gives me a cleaner looking desktop (and less confusion on system wide searches) - so it can even be useful!
400 bucks????? M1 mac mini, here I come!!! But good to know this is an option for mac pro though.
Do I need to fill all 4 ssd slots for this to work or can I install 1 ssd boot drive and add other ssd's for raid 0 later? Likewise, can I have 1ssd boot and then only 2 ssds as raid 0? What happens if I only have 2 ssds? Sorry for all the questions...lol
Each SSD slot is independent (unless you make a RAID). You can start with #1 and add #2, #3, and #4 later, individually, as you see fit.
@@SonnetTech If I make it a RAID will I be able to work in it? Or is it better to format them as SSD drives?
@@DEADIKATED You can work in a RAID just fine. The only thing you cannot do with a RAID is boot.
So for $1500 I can have fast boot and read/write on a 13-year old machine. Tempting... but that price. Ouch.
You can start with one SSD and add more later as you can justify the cost.
So how much for a 8 TB SSD upgrade for say a Mac Studio again? Yeah, that's $2400 and the speed is not faster.
putting tlc. qlc ssd in expensive work station XD