Angry Farmers STORM the EU - Why?
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- Опубликовано: 31 янв 2024
- Farmers haver turned the streets in Brussel into a tractor parade, but not the fun kind. They blocked roads, lit fires outside the EU Parliament, and even flipped a statue to make a statement. And it's not just in Belgium; this wave of farm fury is hitting all over Europe, from the Netherlands and Germany to Italy and France. This video will explain why the farmers are doing this and whether it is justified.
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Who represents the farmers? Get all their national unions in a room and organise between themselves what they want then have them talk with the EU.
Are you delusional.?
How can anyone talk to that Ghoul Ursula.
A council with unions + employer's organizations + independent experts would probably work best here. You need the farmers represented, but also the supermarkets, and everyone in between.
The Farmers Union, at least in Germany, is complete dogshit though. Here they struggle with not being properly listened to by the people in charge and having a union that works in the interests of large farmers interests. These often go exactly against what your typical farm-run-by-a-single-family needs.
@@KityKatKiller Same here in the Netherlands.
The farmers' lobby is literally one of the most powerful/impossible-to-dislodge factions in EU politics
I don't know about other countries but in Germany one of the major problems is that the lobby that is supposed to represent farmers is undercut by the companies who are buying their products. This is clear and obvious corruption. Farmers need to form a new body of political representation.
"Work with commissioners" that's not usually how governments operate
That's true, but causing chaos in society isn't the solution, it could end up turning Europeans against the farmer's cause.
Down tools is probably a lot more effective in getting leaders to take note, without causing damage and other problems in society.
@@paul1979uk2000 idk, it's done wonders in the past.
To be fair, in a lot of countries rural communities are chronically under funded. Environmental legislation is of course needed and needs to target farming, but I can see where the anger is coming from.
To be fair... I live in one of such places where most of the people drive to far away jobs to cities since there are not many job opportunities locally...
And I moved here only because the land was that much cheaper so that my family could afford a house.
Now these same people rant about fast driving (while doing the same thing in not-their-teritory places where they go to work), want to pretend that their small municipality can sustain itself (even though it's loosing money left and right while not even having all the institutions that they need - so you have to go to the bigger municipality to take care of the rest of the things) and do everything to alienate people that actually bring them more money...
So it's hard to say that "rural communities are chronically underfunded" if they act as if the highway that was built past them is the worst thing that could happen since they can no longer live their red neck lives while at the same time hypocritically searching for better paying job opportunities in the remote cities.
We at the country side just reap what we sow.
True. Agricultural policy is 40% of the budget (2 years ago i haven't checked in a while lol) and within that there's a small provision for rural development. This part of the budget is harder to change than the rest of the budget bc it goes through a different process. It's been like that since de Gaulle and 70% of the budget was agri. So investment in rural economies is being used to inflate farmers bottom line.
Forcing harsh environmental legislations on your own farmers while your economy accepts food imports from countries who do not give a damn about the ecology is just hypocritical and detrimental to your own farmers. It’s clear that these laws are made by people who are completely disconnected from the reality we live in.
@@manny27392 Nice profile pic where did you get it?
In Romania, i had to experience this protests when the roads leading out of tge capital were blocked by truckers and the traffic became too big, even by Bucharest standards.
2 video ideas
1 A list of the biggest things EU has done in the last 5 years. Would be cool to have up to the election
2 An indepth explaination of the energy directive
Thank you . On the list
The problem is that if they are peaceful and just ask without doing anything else, no one will care and the government will be able to get the media's attention on something else.
Yet if we use the same logic with Green piece everyone complains
But environmentalists aren't allowed to do this, that's just a stupid argument sorry.
@@dariusgunter5344 Its not like Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion get more than a slap on the wrist. I would rather have the farmers represented through parties(like the Dutch farmer's party BBB but on an EU level) and advisory bodies(like a council of unions + employer's organizations + independent experts). But they need to do something to get attention when most people live in the cities and are unlikely to encounter a farmer.
@@the11382 "Its not like Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion get more than a slap on the wrist." No, but it is notable that the same right wingers shouting their support for the farmers would be condemning environmental activists doing the same. Very hypocricital IMO.
Being dutch I'd like to say something about the BBB: that's nothing more than an agro-industry lobby that's gotten out of hand. The people and money for it came from a PR/Martketing-company that mostly does business with large agro-industry. The BBB backers don't really care about the actual farmers, but about preserving for as long as possible the current system that feeds their bottom line.
And the Extinction Rebellion got literally tramped on for blocking the road and nobody bets an eye if the farmers are doing the same?.
Don´t be hypocritical..
Most farmers got a lot of money help from the state without doing anything and they protesting for what ?stupi d farmers
The agriculture workforce in EU is under 4% of the total workforce. They do NOT need 1/3 of all of EU's budget! This is crazy
That budget also goes to the many industries that support said workforce though. That amount is larger.
if you don't wan't cartelization of farming industry you need to give those subsideries, food crisis is everything crisis
@@MHG796 Being realistic, the EU is never going to have a real food crisis, before almost every country has it. Because we have the money to buy at higher prices. The current EU agriculture is extremely inefficient in terms of producing nutrients per square kilometer. I would support subsidies to find more efficient ways to secure the world against hunger. Not to maintain a legacy system
Guy only becouse farming is an EU policy and not by local countries 🤦🏻♂️
@@Mark-gd2ti For the period 2014-2020, EU spent EUR 408,313 billion on agriculture! It's a business! Why can't it be profitable like any other business? Are our workers in the sector *that* incompetent?
I know who provides food for me and my family, and who is just an unelected commissioner!
Great video again. Pleople must watch these type of videos to fully understand what's going on!!
The biggest grip I have about the protests is many people hated "just stop oil" (rightly so imo) for blocking roads and causing minor damage to unrelated property, but supporting this protest which is causing far more damage and disruption.
Framers feed me, every single day.
@@happyfelix1440 and the others are protesting because our planet is slowly dying because of the use of oil and other non renewable sources
@@happyfelix1440not really mist farmers destroy massive amounts of their products to keep prices high furthermore a large amount is for export outside the EU all while getting massive subsidies paid with your tax money
the environmental regulations are necessary to prevent a ecological disaster in the future and the reason the regulations are hard is becouse we have not done anything the past 50 years and the longer we wait the harder we need to hit the breaks when we have no other choice i know it is not fun but it is necessary and this is coming from someone who works in agriculture
The difference is that farmers feed us and protest to be able to continue doing so, while the other guys protest to make our lives more miserable and expensive while destroying the economy.
Hurrah ‼️ The peasants are revolting 👍👍💯💯‼️
Excessive government regulations are at the core of the problem. Let the free market sort it out.
There is no reason to let industrials or services companies to destroy our agriculture so that they sell more.
Farmers get masssive subsidies from the eu and most farmers are far from poor
the environmental regulations are necessary to prevent a ecological disaster in the future and the reason the regulations are hard is becouse we have not done anything the past 50 years and the longer we wait the harder we need to hit the breaks when we have no other choice i know it is not fun but it is necessary and this is coming from someone who works in agriculture
My opinion is that EU should help them out and protect them.. but also make all of the vandals pay heavy fines for public property destruction
There are farmer protests in Croatia every 2-3 years, but are always poorly lead, so not much success there
Subsidies should be replaced with regulated market for crucial products such as those from agriculture
What I find crazy is that depending on your profession you can use the tools to disrupt?
What is next? Soldiers who drive a tank thru the streets?
Well , soldiers work for state , therefore for them it would be much harder than for farmers , who are either self-employed, or work for private companies
I observe that the EU may not be prioritizing the needs of citizens, farmers, and advancements in innovation and technology, and it appears that there is a lack of proactive measures.
true
Farmers get masssive subsidies from the eu that the eu is prioritizing its citizens is not true but the environmental regulations are necessary to prevent a ecological disaster in the future and the reason the regulations are hard is becouse we have not done anything the past 50 years and the longer we wait the harder we need to hit the breaks when we have no other choice i know it is not fun but it is necessary and this is coming from someone who works in agriculture
Hope the farmers succeed in their fight
I live in southern France and it is really annoying to I cannot use the 80% of the autoroutes. Actually I do understand the heavy situation of the agricultural workers but I feel it's me and other small people is punished instead of the politicans or somebody who can make a change of their situation.
I suppose, however, that the French are now used to large protests, it has been like this since the Jacquerie
I have a degree in sustainability, and can absolutely say these green changes are necessary. Nitrogen fertilizer is poisoning our water supplies and oceans, causing massive dead zones, along with many other problems with it potentially getting into ground water from the excessive runoff.
I agree, but it seems the farmers are more concerned about their bottom line then to take the environment into consideration.
@@Siranoxz I think the need for change is to sink in, but they balk at the cost and effort it will take. Also, the agro-industry is doing all they can to throw a spanner in the works as the current system is what feeds their bottom line.
@@Siranoxz The farmers are entitled to everything they ask. In capitalism and globalism, trade is based on respecting the same sets of rules. The grain from Ukraine is almost like poison, the food from anywhere except EU is almost like poison. I love how you all talk about sustainability... the EU must be sustainable but fcuk the rest of the world...they can use whatever pesticides they want, deforest how much they want while we buy their poison food and shut down our agriculture. Oh man...this Bundnis/Grun mentality that kept Germany building nuclear energy.
@@kimwit1307 It may have to sink in yes, but the EU can definitely aid in letting these farmers transition in a more efficient way to grow crops, maybe to start greenhouses where there's no need for fertilizers.
But looking at these farmers, i don't think they have any knowledge or the will on innovating towards a sustainable agricultural sector.
The problem is that to have the productivity they have they are dependent on these fertilizers.
Almost two decades ago, the same happened in Hungary in a small scale. We learned later, that was the work of the right-wing parties who deliberatly pushed farmers hopes and frustration to the edge while also coming up with the idea of going up to the capital to demonstrate. In this case, the Hunggaarian parliament had to yield. If the same mechanics are working in the background, I have a feeling Brussels will havve to act the same. But as there is nobody who could the EU parliament sit down and negotiate, they will have to ease tensions on their own without anyone telling them what exactly the farmers want and how flexible they can be with their demands
Well, it's maybe because I'm French, but if your protest doesn't make any impact, you're protesting for literally nothing.
If, as a big group part of the society , you want improvement in your life, you have to make sure you're being heard.
imagine getting 1/3 of EU's budget in subsidies and still being so inefficient that a country at war, with 20% of it's farmland being unfarmable - destroying you and cutting down your prices.............
yea, i think there *IS* a problem in EU's agriculture policy.
however, i don't think farmers would've liked the proper sollution...
Abolition of subsidies and excessive regulations along with a sound customs policy for importing goods from countries with less regulatory policy to keep competitiveness.
The farmers in Germany are protesting due to cancellations if subsidies. Firstly grain import from ukraine is not a small deal, it is huge and very uneven as the labour costs there are minimal. If EU wants like in case with Uk , level plain field, so do the farmers
I smell "natural fertiliser" around me.!.
The big picture is that the burden of tertiair sector of the economy is to heavy and can no longer be played for by the primary and secondary secters. We have built societies that are top-havy and are tumbling. The farmers are the canari in the cool mine.
Good ideals, bad ways to show them
If I'm being honest, I think that if it were that easy to start talking and negociating with the EU commission, they would have done so already. I'm not saying I'm on the farmers' side here, they shouldn't be acting violent and vandalise public infrastucture, but they do have a right to protest if they feel like something is wrong or they are being misstreated or missrepresented. I personally think that they aren't being misstreated, especially with all the amount of money the EU gives them to remain competitive and not get sunk by foreign goods, but they still have the right to go and protest if they don't feel that way.
The EU commission is out of touch bureacrats, which is why they need their power reduced. If I was a farmer, I would turn eurosceptic pretty quickly.
50bn is not enough though. Suicide rates amongst farmers are extremely high. You can have as many subsidies as you want, it won’t fix the fact that environmental laws are completely choking them and rendering their goods uncompetitive when compared to goods from countries without « green » laws like every country outside the eu. Subsidies won’t save your farm if you are constantly in deficit because you’re non-competitive. Also, if the mercosur deal is finalised (free exchange of goods between latin america and the eu) then you can forget about farmers in the eu, they will go extinct except maybe olive oil plantations and vineyards.
@@manny27392yea, it Is corect, that if EU wants EU Farmers to be more eco, they should uphold that standard for everyone, that wants to sell foos in eu.
I agree they shouldn't necessarily block roads and vandalise streets but at the same time they have to do something to get the attention of policy makers. Just walking around with placards has been done before and is largely ignored.
@@davidjennings2179So is vandalism. And it turns everyone against you too.
Farmers and farming organisations are trying to work with the governments. The problem is they are not being listened to and the governments are bringing in these new rules and mandates anyway
Why are you dismissing the subsidies these farmers receive in exchange to change their farming methods to protect the environment?.
How are they not listened too, for more subsidy benefits and end up making their crops more expensive for the regular people by selling them to corporations first and then in consumer hands?.
@@Siranoxz they are receiving very little subsidies in exchange. Also they don't need to change much, they do a lot of work to protect the environment. The farming organisations have tried talking to the governments in each country to allow a reasonable timeframe to fix any problems on the farms but the governments do their own thing anyway therefore not listening to farmers. Also the governments want farmers to cut back on the number of animals on the farm which reduces the potential money made to pay expense for any problems that need fixing.
Also the farmers are not making their crops more expensive, its the corporations that are making food expensive (which is actually very inexpensive). The money the corporations make is not being passed on to the farmer
I think one problem is that the price of food is too low. The food prices have been driven lower and lower over the years, and consumers are not ready to pay more, so it's reflected into the upstream of the value chain - the farmers. They should, like everyone else in this capitalist economy, be able to make some profit from their practice.
1:00 You can make local farmers go through more "hoops" than their foreign counterparts and expect them to just roll over.
If they wan their subsidies then yes
The problem for example in holland is that the farmers have been suggesting many alternative solutions and innovations before but the government is not backing down and looking at their solutions. That is one of the big reasons our government fell 2x behind each other. The population stops voting on the same parties the caused this and the shift is clear.
The problem lies in the unfair distribution of subsidies, with big corporations taking over the farming business and collecting 80% of subsidies and only around 20% goes to smaller farmers that can't compete anymore, leading to the disappearance of small farms. But the irony is that small farms produce the healthiest food. Check the imported food from Ukraine, Brazil, etc., where not all EU regulations are in place. Here, you have to do all of that paperwork, ensure environmental safety, and be more ‘natural’, while products outside of the EU don’t need to comply with that stuff and are three times cheaper than yours. So, how do you compete with that? I know this is capitalism and a free market, but there shouldn’t be that much freedom when we are talking about food. Everything starts with food, so if you eat good food, you are healthier. Eat bad food and you put more pressure on hospitals, more money is spent on healthcare, people are slower, can’t do stuff anymore, etc. It all starts with food, so to have good food you need regulations and protection of EU farms and products.
But no, the EU says that we have to reduce the usage of fertilizers by half and have lower yearly yields while still allowing the import of more and more unregulated food from overseas, which is destroying our competitive market. The truth is, people will mostly buy the cheapest tomato, beef in the store, and if the cheapest is from Brazil, they will buy it, leaving no money for European farmers.
You might ask, why aren’t we fighting those large corporations and advocating for a fairer distribution of subsidies? Well, you can’t. People in high positions often come from those corporations, and as a small farmer, you can’t do much. Yes, they are all protesting because they want changes, but representatives will never work for small farmers. Small farmers continue to protest because they want change and hope that something good will come out of this.
Portuguese farmers also started protesting.
Very confusing, are the farm subsidies enough to cover their needs and be reasonably comfortable, due to losses from competition, with all the rules placed on them but not on the others?
Using a particular percentage of the whole land and less fertilizers and vehicles, in order to help fighting climate change... AS IF.... the goods imported are done in this way, AS IF, another country outside of Europe have these policies and have the same purpose to fight climate change, not their own profitability.. and less competition to enter the European markets... Automatically means favouring one side than the other..
The assessment of the main 3 reasons, at least for Germany, is wrong!
The fact that there are green, restrictive measures is less of a problem. Certainly less than for example in the Netherlands. However Reason 2, right after the money, is the rising amount of beaurocratic responsibilities that the farmers face. The amount of beaurocracy farmers have to deal with has become insane here. Bad enough, that the farmers would probably complain far less about money, if just that one problem went away. The regulations and the resulting papertrail farmers have to deal with is taking away their time actually spent working on the farm instead of the office and is increasing their stress, because lots of this papertrail is bound to restrictive measures if done wrong. And lets be honest: If we have to imagine the perfect, enthusiastic office worker - it's not gonna be a farmer.
At least for Germany I'd say: If that problem was completley solved. Farmers would not be protesting anymore in significant numbers.
Farmers get masssive subsidies from the eu most farm owners are far from poor
the environmental regulations are necessary to prevent a ecological disaster in the future and the reason the regulations are hard is becouse we have not done anything the past 50 years and the longer we wait the harder we need to hit the breaks when we have no other choice i know it is not fun but it is necessary and this is coming from someone who works in agriculture
@@definitlynotbenlente7671 Whatever you are tying to say has nothing to do with my comment. Please read it again. I'm literally saying that the ecological regulations aren't the main problem here in Germany.
it's JUSTIFIED
Is it possible to see somewhere how the funds get divided between the members ?
I mean 50 billion is a big amount but assuming the 50 billion get divided equally between the members (27) that would give each member a bit less than 2 billion. In France there are what around 700k-ish farmers, that would give them less than 3-4k/year as "aid". But in Belgium there are a 35k-ish farmers, they would receive almost 15 to 20 times more what the French would receive.
I suppose and hope the money is divided in another way. Where would one find such data/info ?
Where is VDL hiding? She is only within her political circle in her safe environment!!
Strong person come foward and stand on, weak person hide and stay in there comfirt zone!!
Also in Greece
I love that guy who copy-and-pastes the same pile of puke to every person he disagrees with like some sort of ADHD squirrel.
I dont wanna ruin to you but a strike focuses on creating unrest and economical issues so it forces a reaction by either giving in the demands or having a discussion.
European union was always very unclear with European farmers and many of the green plans and regulations on agriculture are out of touch, especially considering how those regulations are presented in other industries that are more profitable. The EU needs to decide, do they want to keep European farming products in at a cost or do they want to give up on this costly industry and start importing it in mass.
The issue of farmers is that the EU is not clear about it.
What are the proposed sulutions by the EU?
They could stop subsidizing the farmers see how they like that
The end if the EU balloon?
tão simples está há vista
This will be so much worse when Ukraine joins the EU...
Whatever good reasons the farmers may have for their protests, I feel the truckers who earn even less shouldn't bear the brunt of it. Blocking high-ways makes as much sense to me as when truckers would set fields in fire to protest against high costs of the fuel!
If farmers want higher prices for their products then they should refuse to deliver their goods to mighty corporations and stop voting for right-wing corrupt politicians who have the most of the time connections to that agricultural industry. The british farmers being fooled by Brexit, should be a lesson for all farmers.
0:22 France is now Germany?
Thanks
I would like longer videos
the channel will have a mix of both long and short. Normally, at least 1 long video per week will drop
I understand supporting farmers, but they think that our collective climate future is less important than them spending gaining a little less for a little while, maybe while having to pay little taxes, like 4-7 ‰ of tax multiplied square meter on the yield.
Surely they have some serious questions that must be listen, but some of those farmers really think that their interests go over the common market or the rights of conusmers, just because they are part of Coldiretti.
If we were to listen to those, we should have to cancel subsidies to leave fields not cultivated, like if those field will not end flodding the market, crash prices and make themselves poorer. Those ones should really learn about the "tragedy of the commons".
Good video! We should carefully watch the Hungarian MCC's influence in all of this. This could be (in)directly an 'organised' event by Putin. I do not like conspiracies but do not Putin nor Orban at all. The farmers feelings are real of course and should be acknowledged and addressed but let's keep our eyes open! EU Made SIMPLE is helping with this, thanks!
Any protest can be justified it just needs a talented wordsmith with an eye for opportunity.
What cannot be justified is the subsidies for anything. If farmers need to raise their prices to make ends meet then do so. This will be passed to the wholesalers who will pass it on to the retailers and then to the end user. If that end user decides he/she does not wish to pay that price then that is their choice. That end user then searches elsewhere for what they need. In the case of food there are options of what to buy and where to buy it. Maybe for the sake of the green voters they may be in a position to grow/breed their own - at the very least they will get to understand why the farmers are groaning at the cost of being able to remain in business in some small way.
Government does not need to interfere in agriculture, let the market find its own level. This nonsense has blighted the EEC and the EU for decades. Time for it to stop.
The EU subsidies are being paid out of money being paid into their coffers by states who have taken that money in good faith from their tax paying citizens, it is then handed over to the farmers in huge subsidies in order for the wholesale/retail industries and the transportation of goods industries etcetcetc....... so prices keep going up to keep everybody's profits going up and then the people paying through the nose to sustain those prices and keep profits going up are then again taxed to pay the EU to pay the subsidies........... the magic roundabout has to be stopped and possibly not just in agriculture.
I support the farmers. The commission started all this crap wothout a proper consultancy period and not listening to feedback.
It's well-deserved that farmers now rise against their governments
Farmers get masssive subsidies from the eu the environmental regulations are necessary to prevent a ecological disaster in the future and the reason the regulations are hard is becouse we have not done anything the past 50 years and the longer we wait the harder we need to hit the breaks when we have no other choice i know it is not fun but it is necessary and this is coming from someone who works in agriculture
Furthermore most farmers do not give anything about nature but only for profit most farm owners are quite wealthy
The tier system is a good way forward
Imagine protestors protesting for moro eco eurpe would use the same taktics, everyone would call them...idk... ecoterorist🤣🤣
@@gorilipuant 🤣Bro, i am just joking, but it is interesting, that these 2 groops when useing very similar protest strategys get different reactions from the public. And sorry for my english, i am not from english speaking country and my autocorest is "corecting" everything i write into my first language.
@@chleba47927 You aren't joking. You are ignorant.
When the European farmers go bankrupt (which will lead to it, if the EU doesn't change). Your food will be extremely more expensive and garbage quality. Since the food will be imported from thousands of kilometres away with way lower standards. Not very ecologic, right?
@@gorilipuantmost of it is for export outside the eu they care about their bottom line
@@gorilipuant they also destroy large amounts of of what the produce to keep prices high furthermore they get massive subsidies from the eu
They say no farmers no food but they if we did not export outside the eu we would be fine without a lot of them
@@gorilipuant like when farmers where dumped enormous amounts of milk when the prices became to low the rivers ran white
no they are not...
The problem with these protests is that they are protesting for direct subsidies which also benefit the farmers that are farmers only in name and nothing else...
They should protest for indirect subsidies like:
- lower taxation on produce that hasn't traveled more than X kilometers from the farm to the store,
- even lower taxation in case the food is local and also not sold in packaging,
- the lowest taxation if the food comes straight from the farmer to the consumer.
They should also protest for introduction of EU wide per-state changes to social support and even salaries in a way that we would get a mandatory part of the salary in person ID bound food only money which would work something along the lines of:
- for 50 entities you get unhealthy food with lots of sugar or artificial sweeteners,
- for 20 entities of food money, you get a burger and other junk food,
- for 10 entities you get a healthy packaged meal from non local ingredients,
- for 5 entities you get the same healthy packaged meal from local ingredients,
- for 1 entity you get the same amount of healthy unpackaged food from local ingredients.
Meaning the more interest we in EU have for something (for e.g. having people healthy enough that we don't need to waste money for unnecessary public doctor's expenses and overworking them; supporting local farmers etc.) the cheaper it is (but only with the "mandatory food stamps").
That way the farmers who innovate, are hard working and are actually worth something, get more of the pie while the people are incentivized to live healthier - and by not keeping the prices artificially low and only subsidize in the reverse order with the food-only money, people get more appreciation for how much the food is actually worth (subsidies for petrol, farming equipment, natural disasters etc. just hide the worth from average people who believe that technology gadgets and toys are worth more than food since they are more expensive in the shop... Thus artificially raising salaries for bs jobs, thereby lowering interest for farming etc.).
I know that something like that would be hard to push through but it would be nice if the farmers who are ranting these days would at least start pretending that they are protesting for a sensible change and not just "selfish quest for more money since I'm stuck in this job" as money just buys them short term gains while even the next generation gets even less incentive to actually choose farming as a profession...
EU is really handling this like a bumbling idiot (like most things). Letting in Ukrainian second-class grain treated with unapproved chemicals? Let the farmers do their thing, we need them.
But then why are they doing such a thing. Clearly there must be a reason that we do not (yet) understand.
@@tomorrowneverdies567 Incompetence. Faceless bureaucracy. Green agenda.
@@liva236muzikaFarmers get masssive subsidies from the eu and most of thrm are far from poor the environmental regulations are necessary to prevent a ecological disaster in the future and the reason the regulations are hard is becouse we have not done anything the past 50 years and the longer we wait the harder we need to hit the breaks when we have no other choice i know it is not fun but it is necessary there is no rvil green agenda thing need to change and this is coming from someone who works in agriculture
@@definitlynotbenlente7671 can you provide some sources for your claims? I would love to learn more.
1:23 not thanks to war in Ukraine. thanks to russian agression
Wasnt this suppose to happen in Russia?
The sanctions basicly came back like a boomerang and hit the EU in the back of the head!
Not really the sanctions are hurting the Russian economy the farmers are angry they have to be more responsible with the environment they farm in
Remember the eu gives massive subsidies to farmers as wel
The environmental regulations are necessary to prevent a ecological disaster in the future and the reason the regulations are hard is becouse we have not done anything meaningful the last 50 years
By the way i work in agriculture
Nah, us greeks were doing it before it was cool😂.
And why not mention other countries. I heard that in Lithuania thre where nice tractor parade and others are planned in Latvia also.
Sigh... he's western european, what do we expect.
I can understand that farmers feel they are being targeted unjustly and that the rules and costs keep piling up. But they do forget the massive subsidies they get from both the EU and many national governments. And that having the whole EU as a market is beneficial to them as well. And I think quite a few farmers understand that their current business-model is not sustainable in the long run, environmentally speaking. They need help to make a transition to greener producing possible and that's where the EU and national governments should focus more effort. Also, the agro-industry is very influential both as EU and national level in many countries and has for a long time done all they could (and still do) to prevent or slow the laws to make this happen, often leading to half-hearted law-making that is exactly causing problems for the actual farmers. Just take a look on how the agro-industrial lobby recently got the EU to keep Roundup legal for years to come. Or even worse, how they basically managed to create a political party in the Netherlands (BBB).
And if low prices for their goods are an issue, that is something they need to duke out with the supermarket-business. Organize to in cooperations to have a stronger position against the supermarket-buyers, for instance.
You do get a sense of entitlement from farmers in EU countries, that they've been a custom to a lot of the benefits the EU offers from a big slice of the budget, to easy access to the entire EU market.
A lot of countries don't do any of that.
But with that said, I do feel that it's useful to have a home-grown food industry for security reasons and for high quality food standards.
The truth is, if it wasn't for the EU, many of these farmers likely would have gone out of business already or would have been forced to change, and I do agree that farmers need a reality check and need to make the transition in this changing world, which I'm sure governments will help out where they can, the safety net farmers have in the EU, actually slows down the change because farmers feel protected, without that protection, it's either change or go bust.
If it was a simple protest, I would be willing to bring them to a round table and negotiate, see what's wrong. But this is going from protesting to agroterrorism. I won't accept that. They show no respect, no gratefulness for everything we've done to support them. They are an extremely privileged class who keep asking for more, and resort to violence when their capricious demands aren't met. They have lost all the support they could have had from me.
It would be economical if we let ukraine in. Food would be plenty and cheap. But that would reduce profits for these farmers, of course
They aren't protesting because they're having a hard time. They are protesting because their profits are shrinking. They are entitled bourgeoisie putting on charades.
@@gustavostensson1048 That argument is a misdirection. Most of these farmers' products are exported outside of the EU or are non-alimentary products, like colza. They are not as indispensable as they pretend to be.
@@MM-un3ob And they'll be standing outside at the Brussels EU parliament again complaining about their bottom line.
People do not understand once Ukraine joins the EU, Ukraine will be the powerhouse of agriculture because their soil is insanely fertile and valuable.
They can grow grains and other crops in such quantities that other EU farmers will be left out not able to compete.
@@NevelWong Exactly.
It seems that these farmers are just there for their bottom line, not the environment.
Then resort into destroying statues and throwing stones or eggs at the Window and expect them to be taken serious if they can't do it diplomatically.
Protesting is a right, but destroying public property is not protesting in my book.
Why they booing you? You’re right
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@@autumnjacaranda106 You know the funniest thing about this?.
The Extinction Rebellion blocked the road for conducting the same protesting rights like the farmers.
But the difference here is that the Extinction Rebellion got beaten arrested or even killed for blocking the road while farmers are vandalizing and destroying public property and yes even blocking the road and getting a pass.
The hypocrisy is absolutely sickening with these people.
This farmer protest is definitely timidly organized for the EU elections, these people know exactly what they´re doing despite their double standards on right to protest over other groups.
Thanks for the insightful explanation
European farmers when it comes to the dumbest reason to protest: I've got another one in me
Imagine getting a third of the UE budget and complaining you need even more because of how unproductive you are.
Imagine just trying to do your job and getting hit with new regulations and burocracy from unelected officials every year, who then give you some money, so that you are even remotely able to reach what these rules demand.
Personally, my personal opinion, the only sensible criticism is that against organic agriculture (which is neither healthier nor more ecological, but just more inefficient), otherwise it seems to me that Agriculture represents almost a third of all European subsidies, despite representing much less of the GDP. Naturally we need to talk country by country, in my country few farmers are really competent and manage to have an effective business model, but many are very incompetent and don't fail just because the system pumps them with subsidies.
For any impactfull protest to work it needs to be somewhat inconvenieng or disruptive.
What if its the other sude like extinction rebellion or green peache blocking highways out of protest is that okay to or only when the people you agree with are doeing the disruption
Get into farmers boots 👢 see how hard is to do their job. And you sit in a comfy chair eating healthy food and judging how rough are protesters and what damage they cause. Action before hand take the matter serious before farmers bring a lot of dirt to your parliament. You can talk about freedom as much as you want but you have to act in free way and get inyo the subject what when and where. And most important what can we do ➕️ do it
Farmers get masssive subsidies from the eu and most farm owners are really wealthy is about money
the environmental regulations are necessary to prevent a ecological disaster in the future and the reason the regulations are hard is becouse we have not done anything the past 50 years and the longer we wait the harder we need to hit the breaks when we have no other choice i know it is not fun but it is necessary and this is coming from someone who works in agriculture and no not a desk job either
Blocking traffic and toppling statues? Arrest them then
Except then that your food, in the coming years will be extremely more expensive, when 99% of farmers in the whole EU go bankrupt.
Protest movements are fine and should be encouraged, but there are different ways of doing a protest.
What the farmers are doing, if they disrupt society too much, they could end up turning Europeans against them, any protest that gets violence, sets fires, blocks roads and creates damage, is a quick way to turn people off the policies the farmers want to change.
There are many ways of getting change, getting governments to take notice, but honestly, because of the behaver of farmers lately, it's hard to empathy with them.
In any case, I think farming in the EU market needs some major reforms, especially when it comes to the funding of it from the EU budget.
The days of family farms are over, these people don't run their own farms anymore. They are business owners and with that comes a debilitating persecution complex. The EU should be more selective with who gets agri grants.
Blocking roads is only justifiable if you’re Islamic it seems
Historically you can always count on farmers to start rioting over pure ignorance. Whaaaaat in the ever more productive world where I am competing with overseas production I can't just keep farming the same way my grandpa was doing it and have to expand the infrastructure or even worse digitize parts of the process!?!?! NOOOOOO!
I think you have a very wrong idea about how agriculture is done nowadays.
Not a "war in Ukraine" - it is a russian war against Ukraine.
The proper naming is important.
Saying "war in Ukraine" makes it sound like something isolated, while it is not. Doing so also removes the name of a culprit.
It is important to say explicitly that this is a russian war.
2:33 we don't want your gay green future, Lol.
Because people are sick and tired of “climate change” bs
It is not bs at all i have seen the effects with my own eyes
the environmental regulations are necessary to prevent a ecological disaster in the future and the reason the regulations are hard is becouse we have not done anything the past 50 years and the longer we wait the harder we need to hit the breaks when we have no other choice i know it is not fun but it is necessary and this is coming from someone who works in agriculture
Exactly, we put in our atmosphere 0.02% CO2 since the industrial revolution, ain't exactly much.
Silly take by the channel.
Economic disruption is a justified form of protest
Blocking roads and damaging property isn’t the best way to protests and hurts the public and economy of the country
But it's the only way to be heard, specially with this EU
My take:
There is one additional missing piece no one realizes. Farmers represent rural communities, which generally have different lifestyle and by necessity need different lifestyle from majority of population.
The general polarization of society and in elections stems from that as well. Farmers generally don’t understand some pressing issues urban majority is trying to solve, while, importantly urban majority doesn’t understand that the new regulations , while logical and useful for majority of population - make complete havoc of lifestyle of people living in sparsely populated areas.
Hard to describe it. It’s philosophically differently shaped. By tradition, upbringing and by necessity of diluted access to services and other people, by long distances they need traverse individually (not public transport or common infrastructure) - farmers have developed much stronger sense of SELF-RELIANCE. On almost instinctive level.
Let’s write it shortly:
farmers would love not “help” with their troubles, they’d love no one created additional troubles for them. (Regulations, often due to green deal, revamp in transportation and energy policy)
Moving from city into rural area, I kind of realized… that locals do not vocalize their specific need … due to not even realizing that they have the needs different from majority… and their frustration with society grows. (As a consequence They try to combat the changes for all instead of making exceptions for them in rural areas)
They subconsciously feel their self-reliance is diminishing. They are bound and bound and bound by externally enforced limits.
Farmers get masssive subsidies from the eu tand most farm owners are not poor at all, but the environmental regulations are necessary to prevent a ecological disaster in the future and the reason the regulations are hard is becouse we have not done anything the past 50 years and the longer we wait the harder we need to hit the breaks when we have no other choice i know it is not fun but it is necessary and this is coming from someone who works in agriculture
@@definitlynotbenlente7671 I agree with You on almost everything.
I just tried to ilustrate their position and why it is hard to grasp the underlying motivation for anger they have. It’s my illustration of their world view as I see it, not mine. (I fight for example for action in climate change)
I am grandson of farmers, for decades working as scientist in biology in big city.. so it is more like sampling the thought process of farmers through the optics of urban dweller. It can help in negotiations..
-> !!!!! -> It’s not the parameters we see about their life (poor or rich, compensated or not). We make our mental projection on them here.
The difference comes from different psychological adjastments to different realities they have.
To ilustrate it I will retell shortly story of my grandma as she was telling me. She grew after the first World war and she frequently told me, that for food they as farmers only purchased salt and occasionally some well done salami. Self reliance to the extreme (and all of the farm was thought through into details to provide that)
Other than that, her husband - my grandpa was regularly buying some iron or steel to smith something from it. Other than that - everything, from food, through wood to stone was made by them.
(In 1939 they invested into electricity and they reliance on outside world increased … even so, the washing machine was again crafted by my grandpa, not bought)
Although the reality of farmers life shifted drastically, they buy lot of tractors, machinery etc … I can attest that the mental picture didn’t.
The more we will regulate them (even with very good reasons) and try to compensate it by money - the more unhappy they are.
And that is just one aspect of the specific mindset.
They want to have kind of old tractor after great grandfather still parked in their shed and when the new one needs service - just start the 70 years old and just drive it.
… they don’t like no changes. (With changes decades long plannings for bad seasons go into insecurity and danger zone).
The farms are usually huge and you can and you will store lot of items, you would use only few times in decades - and you have lot of such things, some after parents, some your great- grandparents - so you can not buy just new ones, because the old are now somehow not legal to operate.
On another note to illustrate - do You remember when EU mandated to phase out production of old uneconomic light bulbs?
Scale..
In my Prague apartment with 3 rooms - the process of changing them for saving bulbs for easy and relatively cheap.
The farm I inherited? The farm itself had about almost hundred light bulbs (as any of neighbors have) and most of the lights are in non-heated positions (the original saving bulbs, before LEDs came where slow to start when there is freezing temperatures) … the change of the lightbulbs lasted more than 10 years and cumulative cost to change them was more than I could afford often. Most of the lightbulbs are switched on only few times in a year - still You need them in that part of year.
Scale is of everything in farms is different, so it tends to have everything done In very long lasting manner and not changing it for ling decades after that (electricity, water, piping everything)
That creates aversion to changes of regulations - farmers cannot afford sudden changes the same way we in cities can etc etc
@@petrskupa6292 but you cannot stick your head in the sand and grt defensive about change when it needs to happen just becouse they fo not loke it does not make it less true reality is that we need to take action to prevent a ecological colapse witch in the long term would harm way more people including farmers
I worked on more than one farm and they do not like regulations becouse they interfere with making money
They only care about their animals as long as they are profitable if a old cow can not make enough milk ot gets send to the slaughter house without a second thought i quit working in agriculture becouse i could not stand behind the way many farms operate
"While these problems aren't EU fault????"😂😂😂😂
Once you start messing with farmers things dont work out well. A fammin is near for the world.
The EU should support the farmers right to repair by enforceing rules on the manufacturers and factories that make parts for the farmers vehicals. Ensureing their equipment is ready for the harvest.
They should not tax them on nessesitys for farming. Because they support the economic systems food supply. That would be a good step in the right direction.
You forgot two main facts:
_Western farmers lost a lot when the EU expanded East, and subsidies never came close to the loss in revenues & property value,
_Western countries have more regulation than other member states -> it is not just EU import that isn't fair.
2 solutions : leave the EU or go back on the never ending flow of new extreme environmental laws. "Afuera, viva la libertad!"
Only when the last farm in the EU closes will the people understand that importing all the food leads to famines.
Also our farmers contamine less than the rest of other countries, hence, the farmers are right.
If the workers are fighting against you, you aren't fighting for the workers.
They are entitles landowners used to constantly getting subsidies. They're more businesmen than workers zi mean they just ride their tracktors this ain't the past where farming was an actually hard job.
@@diogomiguel10 without the EU farmers in europe would be facing a LOT more problems to make a living.
@@redhidinghood9337 your argument is stupid. You are more a soyboy than a man... just because you live in 2023.
9M out of 440M people isnt the workers.
They get an INSANE amount of EU subsidies and funding, are overly represented in politics and run to the far-right anti-EU whenever something doesnt suit them.
These arent workers, these are rich coddled land owners with 0 respect and 0 integrity for the society which sustains them.
Yes, they are businessmen, but there are still many of them with small businesses.
In Europe everthing repeats to the bad: Europe lost its industries to Asia because of laking competiviness. This is regarded as "European Decadence". EU does not protect domestic industries. There are no contermeasures against China dumping or taking over of European companies from China (e.g. OSRAM, KUKA, Volvo and countless more.) And with farming the same problem arises. The protection and support of farming runs out like for protection and support of solar, light, wind etc. industries. The result is a continues crashing of european economical assets for the benefits of China, USA and other players. The solution cannot be to in confrontations between european goverment and european economic production. There is an old tradition of bad EU politics. The EU prohibited glowing light bulbs. Meant for energy savings. China produces a lot of Aluminium and can extract sufficient Gallium to produce huge amounts of LED lamps. China is international allowed to use huge volumes of coal and nuclear energy to run this industries. But Europe destroys its own industries to pretend to be an "Green Continent". But it is only "Green" by destroying its own industries and wealthiness and shifting the production activities to China and other Asian and African sites. So Europe buries its own grave by following targets, which merely destroys domestic wealthiness by "outsourcing" all production. And with farming this policy continues. Nearly all right wing populist parties want to dismantle EU community and goverment. This is mainly done, because Putin fears a strong EU Europe as ruling competitor over the European Continent. So stupid EU goverment destroys Europe !! Also seen with the Brexit, which was the answer against Ged/Green Brussel Migration politics dictatorship. And for me the farmers protest can be regarded as a further symbol for an ill minded EU goverment, which rules against the requirement of Europe and its citicens for the purpose of unrealistic "Green" targets. So EU Europe is not only in danger to become dismantled from antagonistic forces like Putin Russia or China. Europe becomes (economically) dismantled from an stupid and ideologist goverment in Brussel. I do not stand behind AFD and other Anti EU populists. But the EU govermental target must be reformed and changed. So that EU politician make again politics for Europeans and not for foreigners. This is a gigantic problem of entire contemporary EU politics. And farmers protests are ony one puzzle stone of a complete ill minded political system of EU Europe and in Germany too. The Red/Green Germany is the blueprint of ideologically blinded politics which attempts to be "Good" but is doing the pure "Evil" to Europe. But the Anti-EU (Pro-Russia) Pupulists cannot be regarded as solution to this malicious development in entire Europa. Acctually a compromis with farmers is nedeed. It is like Germans Heatings Law. It is ideological, ill minded and serves again only China & Co. because they build the cheapest heat pumps. And forbidding all Lightbulbs other than LED crashes the entire european lightbulb industries. Was Valid for OSRAM, Philips, Radium and a lot of smaller companies. So EU politics smashes European economics. And this must be correted !!
Start buying from Africa and cut their subsidies but also deregulate the food market.
I don't mind protesting. But once they obstruct and vandalize i am against it.
Seek better ways to make a point and be heard.
These farmers are not angry enough. The far-left EU is driving the food industry into the ground, and i sure hope these protests spread further across Europe.
Revolution!!!!!
The farming sectir in the eu needs dratsic reform it cannot be that we subzidize them this much and they have no large import costs and they still fail.
If ukraine alone can being most of themt o bancrupcy than maybe its time they dir and make room for a new better way of farming in teh EU.
I have sympathy but the onyl solution is change and taht change will cost these farmers sadly, but there isnt a way around that.
One of the problems is that subsidies don't reach farmers in some countries. There should be more and better monitoring of how these subsidies are implemented in the different EU countries.
Well done farmers, keep up the good work.
Fuck them welcome to the average persons problems, all these “hard working people” sure love a good handout!
Isn’t it funny how the “hardest working” entitles need the most public funded handouts like big corporations and big agriculture
@@gorilipuantmaybe you should learn to grow your own food and buy meat from a local farmer those are free handouts if I’ve ever seen them
@@gorilipuantmost farmers destroy or do not harvest a large amount of what they prodece to keep the prices high and the get subsidies for it when the milk plricd was to low the eu paid farmers to destroy milk the river was literally white for more than a day (i worked in agriculture and if you have not had to put your arm in the place of a horse where the sunbdont shine i dont want to hear complaining kiddo)
The EU totale deserved this protests. These green policies are a madness.
The environmental regulations are necessary also
Farmers get masssive subsidies from the eu and most farmers are not poor
the environmental regulations are necessary to prevent a ecological disaster in the future and the reason the regulations are hard is becouse we have not done anything the past 50 years and the longer we wait the harder we need to hit the breaks when we have no other choice i know it is not fun but it is necessary and this is coming from someone who works in agriculture
Hope the farmers succeed in their fight