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He said it! Finally someone did. Heat and Cold Therapy have some amazing uses and benefits but they don't promote healing per se. Like he says, if you love that feeling, great but there's a reason your body screams NO when you take an ice cold shower.
@@calmlittlebuddy3721 No, no, no. You misunderstand. I didn't say anything about recovery. It was just a question poking fun at your "there's a reason your body screams NO" statement. My body screams at me for a lot of the things I put it through, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the reason for that is that shouldn't be doing them... Stress is stress. No one likes it, including your body, but it has its benefits and that's why we do it.
Yea, Im not sure about these things. Sometimes I think humans just LOVE to think things work. I have a friend that swears meditating outside in the winter works. I think sticking to good ol fashion exercise, good food and good sleep.
Not an expert here, but i've been taking cold showers for a couple of months now and i can tell you from a psychological stand point, i feel better. It might be a placebo effect, not sure, but i do feel better afterward. Clear mind, rejuvenating sort of feeling.
Dr. Mike is super fun to listen to, but discusses everything through the lens of hypertrophy. He says quite clearly himself that e.g. cold exposure can reduce inflammation which leads to feeling better more quickly. Does it hamper muscle growth? Yes! Can you likely practice soccer (or whatever) sooner? Also yes! And in that case, who cares about muscles growth. It pretty much depends on the context of what you want to achieve. If you don't clarify that, the whole question doesn't make sense.
It's all taste and preference. If you believe it works, it works! If you believe it doesn't work, it won't work! The mind is an incredible muscle. What you believe you receive.
I personally have found that the Sauna slows down my recovery and actually makes me feel more fatigued for the rest of the day and also the day after. I’ve taken a lot of cold showers and have never noticed any meaningful difference other than a brief boost of energy afterwards, but I quickly return back to normal afterwards
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Sauna burns calories and helps with cardio vascular . What I noticed as well is when I get to failure it the most realistic feeling of being smothered in Jiu Jitsu .
Yeah but what about all the other benefits of taking cold plunges or cold showers. Taking a cold shower after a workout can have many benefits, including: Improved circulation: Cold showers can improve circulation by making your body work harder to warm itself up. This process can help clear out waste and provide tissues with oxygen and nutrients. Reduced muscle soreness: Cold showers can help reduce swelling and inflammation, which can soothe muscles and aid in recovery. Faster heart rate recovery: Cold showers can help your heart rate recover faster. Improved mood and mental clarity: Cold showers can boost your mood and mental clarity. Strengthened immune system: Cold showers can help strengthen your immune system. Healthier skin and hair: Cold water can help retain oils in your skin, which can keep it moisturized and balanced. It can also prevent excess oil that can lead to greasy hair or breakouts.
Cold/hot therapy is hands down one of my favourite activities. Helps me relax, alleviate stress, sleep better ect. I have done cold plunge after strenuous workouts and havent noticed any major advantage to recovery. But i do feel less sore. But whats better is a post work out cooldown and stretch session. Maybe Doctor Mike is right in regards to recovery
I think the point of everything is to make the cold part right after you wake up, cuz its the best time to do it and not destroy your recovery right after hard workouts. And the hot part right before you go to bed cuz its help you relax more. Cold for energy for the whole day and hot so you sleep well and recover. Its just how it works.
I’ve been doing sauna 10 mins cold plunge 3 mins after a workout x 2. I’ve been doing it for years. If I don’t do it my muscle soreness lasts an extra day to recover. He doesn’t make sense to me. The Finnish have been doing this since the 70s, it’s well documented. It’s been studied for 25 years on a very large group (1000s). This guy disagrees with nearly everyone on this.
I am not trying to compete with Olympians, I am trying to age more gracefully and with fewer health problems. Cold exposure as well as hot/cold cycling in a shower works great for my purposes.
From what I gathered in huberman’s episode on cold. Cold exposure only reduces muscle growth if done in the hours after resistance training. So totally fine to do before lifting, and anytime (before or after) cardio
One thing you’ll notice if you look at the people obsessed with cold plunging is they start looking older faster. They start out looking a bit healthier then as the obsession grows the older starts kicking in. But ppl who were raised with heat-Suana in their family tree tend to look younger get. Not fit but younger and healthier glow. I don’t think constantly shocking yourself is good for your body-it may be good for your mind and ego but the stress shows on your face when obsession kicks in Common sense that heat will lose so you up and calm you. You want to release stress. I disagree with this guy on working out then cardio. He juiced so i mean of course ppl will believe this guy but just think of what we are designed for back without technology and living in cave-there’s no fridge and breakfast. We are designed to forage ,then hunt and chase=cardio then workout by lifting and carrying,maybe fighting,then eating and then rest and heal. See, you workout at end then then eat and heal so to use your new muscle in real life scenario the next day if we are cave ppl and we will always be cave ppl-if the electric goes off tomorrow you become what i just explained above within a week or 2. Try working out with nothing in morning because you have no food or fridge and then go chase down your food for you and your family -you wouldn’t be able too. That’s how he’s explaining how you should do it. This dude better hope the electricity doesn’t shut off because he’ll realize he’s backwards of his natural self and he won’t have steroids and he’ll shrink to a pencil neck. Ppl understand everyone out there is trying to out do the other so they have to try and come up with a different angle but they need roids or you won’t listen. Just think for one second -nobody would know who the Rock is if it wasn’t for steroids. Wouldn’t matter if he was good at fake wrestling or good at acting-he would never have those careers and was he even good at those without those roids? No he isn’t.
Mike is Ture about muscle but when we work out we should see the whole picture cold plunge is really make a different make you stronger make you better as a whole , and you should see yourself as a whole dont just focus on muscle growth .... it does not make you whole
People will 100% walk away thinking saunas and cold plunges are useless. An unfortunate number of people seem to believe it’s good for everything or nothing.
Cold is best for long tail releases or dopamine and adrenaline, this helps me get to the gym and have energy throughout the day. But it’s not for recovery after the gym or while sore because it slows the rate of recovery/ hypertrophy.
What? Forearms routine? Why not just comment the insult instead of trying to mask it as a question? P.S. To work your forearms you stick a weight in your hand and move your wrist forward or backwards. That's it.
Screw it. I love hitting the sauna for 25 minutes and jumping into the cold tub for 5. Don't know what the science says, but I know my body and mind says it does.
He's wrong.... Im sorry but there is a reason every physical therapist uses ice on injuries.... you dont want to cold plunge at least 4 hours after a workout. He just spat out a bunch of random shit that he believes didn't have any studies he could use to back up his argument.
Anyone who has trained intensely and taken a cold shower after or has hit the sauna knows what's up. It helps a lot with the recovery process in terms of feeling better and relaxing then you sleep better and the rest is genetics and nutrient intake.
Happy to be corrected, but heat shock proteins aren't heat specific, it's just a name for the proteins generated as a response to trauma. I imagine the trauma from exercise is already generating similar proteins at similar levels, but I can't cite a study that supports that.
Every single comment here is like “I like Dr Mike but he’s just wrong here. You see his science thing just isn’t right, ACTUALLY what’s right is my personal experience. See I feel better when I sauna and cold plunge so therefore it’s better for me”
He's not wrong. It is well known that cold after lifting should be avoided. You want the inflammation after a workout, which cold will reduce. He's only talking about recovery though. There's tons more benefits to hot/cold exposure. Dr Susanna Soberg has the studies to back it up.
This is a fallacy, plenty of pros do not take ice baths, that doesn’t mean those are doing something wrong or those doing baths are doing something right. He blatantly gave performance reasons why an athlete might take an ice bath despite true recovery not happening. You just get off being a contrarian.
Sauna's are just simply trending at the moment, give it 2 years from now and no one will give a fuck about them. they have been around for years, why now are people stating to sit in them? give it time people give it time.
I like Dr Mike Israetel, but he's wrong when it comes to heat and cold exposure. Don't know if there is enough data to suggest, that going from heat to cold is beneficial, but if you seperate them two from each other, it deifinitely works.
Can you elaborate on that? As far as I know, there is data to suggest they do _not_ help with recovery. There is data to suggest that heat does not mess up recovery, but does not improve it. There is data to suggest that cold completely messes up recovery (as in the adaptation to the stimulus in the scope of muscle gain).
There’s several people including Andrew Huberman that touted the benefits of heat and cold exposure have gone back to clarify that cold exposure should not be done within 2-3 hours after a workout. Dr Mike isn’t talking about whether it’s good or not. He’s talking specifically either hot or cold exposure in the scope of muscle recovery.
I hate these kinds of interviews. A person is asked a direct yes or no question. They should answer "yes" or "no" and then describe what they mean. Not start making metaphors and breaking down something in such a way that you make people wait for the simple answer at the end of the damn explanation. Yes or no first!
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Dr Mike is the king of analogies
He said it! Finally someone did. Heat and Cold Therapy have some amazing uses and benefits but they don't promote healing per se. Like he says, if you love that feeling, great but there's a reason your body screams NO when you take an ice cold shower.
So if my body is screaming NO when I'm doing HIIT, I shouldn't be doing it?
@@MAKExEVIL If you can do other things that you dont say no and you can still workout intensely and effectively then yh dont do it.
@@MAKExEVIL not for recovery. lol. You’d do HIIT for recovery?
Like I said cold therapy may have some amazing uses but healing is not one of them.
We had nothing but cold water to wash in for millions of years.
@@calmlittlebuddy3721 No, no, no. You misunderstand. I didn't say anything about recovery. It was just a question poking fun at your "there's a reason your body screams NO" statement.
My body screams at me for a lot of the things I put it through, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the reason for that is that shouldn't be doing them... Stress is stress. No one likes it, including your body, but it has its benefits and that's why we do it.
If i sauna before i go to bed, my sleep onset is faster, and my quality of sleep goes up, therefore it helps my recovery just not directly..
what about jacuzzi?
@@moneygoodmauri7859 if you find that it relaxes you and you sleep better, then go for it, for jacuzzi doesn't really help to much, but sauna does..
@@moneygoodmauri7859same thing
Exactly, it’s the sleep…not the sauna guy
@@moneygoodmauri7859 if it helps you sleep better, then it's worth it..
Sauna/cold plunge has been great for my mental health more than anything -- try it yourself and see what you find
Mate going for a walk listening to music can be the same thing 😂🤦♂️
Why be freezing and uncomfortable 🤡
@@user-jimmyjimstaso can being a flog and flogging your log. Different strokes for different folks.
@@user-jimmyjimsta you must be one of those people who complains every winter.
@ 🤦🏼♂️😂
Both help me immensely, not necessarily immediately after each other.
Yea, Im not sure about these things. Sometimes I think humans just LOVE to think things work. I have a friend that swears meditating outside in the winter works. I think sticking to good ol fashion exercise, good food and good sleep.
The studies have proven this does work. There is no question about it
Not an expert here, but i've been taking cold showers for a couple of months now and i can tell you from a psychological stand point, i feel better. It might be a placebo effect, not sure, but i do feel better afterward. Clear mind, rejuvenating sort of feeling.
Dr. Mike is super fun to listen to, but discusses everything through the lens of hypertrophy. He says quite clearly himself that e.g. cold exposure can reduce inflammation which leads to feeling better more quickly. Does it hamper muscle growth? Yes! Can you likely practice soccer (or whatever) sooner? Also yes! And in that case, who cares about muscles growth. It pretty much depends on the context of what you want to achieve. If you don't clarify that, the whole question doesn't make sense.
He regularly clarifies this
@@planetlumi4138 not here, that's why I said it
Why are you lifting weights if you don't want to recover with more muscle at the end of the cycle?
@@is0morphcheck 3 minutes, he says it several times
@@jhoke3288 that's the whole point, not everybody lifts weights.
What about the fact that sauna promotes better sleep quality/duration so you recover more from better rest?
😂🤦♂️ read a book get tired sleep better 🙄
Yes it helps with going to sleep faster but it doesn’t actually help with recovery, your sleep helps recovery
@ThomasCopeland-j3z Did you did grt the memo?? Sauna promotes better sleep, thus is going to boost your recovery if your sleeping better..
So will any hot shower though.
It's all taste and preference. If you believe it works, it works! If you believe it doesn't work, it won't work! The mind is an incredible muscle. What you believe you receive.
And some things do actually work, regardless of how you feel about it. That's why they separate placebo from nonplacebo in science
That's true but in this case it's not just in the mind, it simply does work.
I personally have found that the Sauna slows down my recovery and actually makes me feel more fatigued for the rest of the day and also the day after. I’ve taken a lot of cold showers and have never noticed any meaningful difference other than a brief boost of energy afterwards, but I quickly return back to normal afterwards
Dr Mike is a boss 😎
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Bacta tanks and DBZ recovery capsule reference? Dr. Mike never ceases to surprise
BRING ME THE HORIZON shirt bangin 🤘😎
Maybe not ideal for bodybuilding but it helps with plenty of other things
What about arthritis recover? Could heat or ice baths help?
This made my morning ❤❤❤
Sauna burns calories and helps with cardio vascular . What I noticed as well is when I get to failure it the most realistic feeling of being smothered in Jiu Jitsu .
Nice BMTH shirt, Chris. Fellow brother 🤘🏻
Love this guy
Thank you, it helped a lot
Yeah but what about all the other benefits of taking cold plunges or cold showers.
Taking a cold shower after a workout can have many benefits, including:
Improved circulation: Cold showers can improve circulation by making your body work harder to warm itself up. This process can help clear out waste and provide tissues with oxygen and nutrients.
Reduced muscle soreness: Cold showers can help reduce swelling and inflammation, which can soothe muscles and aid in recovery.
Faster heart rate recovery: Cold showers can help your heart rate recover faster.
Improved mood and mental clarity: Cold showers can boost your mood and mental clarity.
Strengthened immune system: Cold showers can help strengthen your immune system.
Healthier skin and hair: Cold water can help retain oils in your skin, which can keep it moisturized and balanced. It can also prevent excess oil that can lead to greasy hair or breakouts.
Andy Galpin disagrees on heat exposure in the protein synthesis phase post workout. Hypertrophy exacerbation
1:01 how could he make that strange sound?
Literally lmaoooo
Gargling
@@Lallana_Del_Rey wait is that actually lana?
Authentic info....
I feel night & day better after I do it, that's enough proof for me
Cold/hot therapy is hands down one of my favourite activities. Helps me relax, alleviate stress, sleep better ect. I have done cold plunge after strenuous workouts and havent noticed any major advantage to recovery. But i do feel less sore. But whats better is a post work out cooldown and stretch session. Maybe Doctor Mike is right in regards to recovery
I think the point of everything is to make the cold part right after you wake up, cuz its the best time to do it and not destroy your recovery right after hard workouts. And the hot part right before you go to bed cuz its help you relax more. Cold for energy for the whole day and hot so you sleep well and recover. Its just how it works.
Thanks
I’ve been doing sauna 10 mins cold plunge 3 mins after a workout x 2. I’ve been doing it for years. If I don’t do it my muscle soreness lasts an extra day to recover. He doesn’t make sense to me. The Finnish have been doing this since the 70s, it’s well documented. It’s been studied for 25 years on a very large group (1000s). This guy disagrees with nearly everyone on this.
There is a recovery supplement. It's called GHB.
I love how Dr. Mike cuts right through all the bs. Train hard, eat, drink water/electrolytes, and sleep . 👌🏼
He's talking about AFTER the gym.
I really like to know how long I have to wait after training to take a cold plunge without fucking my gains up. Like is it okay 10h after the workout?
What about GH spike in sauna? Or heat shock/cold shock proteins?
I don’t think dr Mike looks at longevity data. He’s immersed in the hypertrophy world
Exactly. Stop given your sick kids anti-inflammatory meds. Let the body do its job ( inflammation/fever ) rather than just prolong the illness.
So good.
I am not trying to compete with Olympians, I am trying to age more gracefully and with fewer health problems. Cold exposure as well as hot/cold cycling in a shower works great for my purposes.
From what I gathered in huberman’s episode on cold. Cold exposure only reduces muscle growth if done in the hours after resistance training. So totally fine to do before lifting, and anytime (before or after) cardio
So does advil
This video is about muscle growth/recovery.
Like putting a band aid on something that requires at least a few stitches
Is it the hot cold, or that the people doing it are in great shape, and think about their health.
The former is true, and is compounded (and understood by) the latter.
Conjoined with a culture of sheep following celebrity worship.
Good point.
@@keithb4077 Everything disagrees with this
One thing you’ll notice if you look at the people obsessed with cold plunging is they start looking older faster. They start out looking a bit healthier then as the obsession grows the older starts kicking in. But ppl who were raised with heat-Suana in their family tree tend to look younger get. Not fit but younger and healthier glow. I don’t think constantly shocking yourself is good for your body-it may be good for your mind and ego but the stress shows on your face when obsession kicks in Common sense that heat will lose so you up and calm you. You want to release stress. I disagree with this guy on working out then cardio. He juiced so i mean of course ppl will believe this guy but just think of what we are designed for back without technology and living in cave-there’s no fridge and breakfast. We are designed to forage ,then hunt and chase=cardio then workout by lifting and carrying,maybe fighting,then eating and then rest and heal. See, you workout at end then then eat and heal so to use your new muscle in real life scenario the next day if we are cave ppl and we will always be cave ppl-if the electric goes off tomorrow you become what i just explained above within a week or 2. Try working out with nothing in morning because you have no food or fridge and then go chase down your food for you and your family -you wouldn’t be able too. That’s how he’s explaining how you should do it. This dude better hope the electricity doesn’t shut off because he’ll realize he’s backwards of his natural self and he won’t have steroids and he’ll shrink to a pencil neck. Ppl understand everyone out there is trying to out do the other so they have to try and come up with a different angle but they need roids or you won’t listen. Just think for one second -nobody would know who the Rock is if it wasn’t for steroids. Wouldn’t matter if he was good at fake wrestling or good at acting-he would never have those careers and was he even good at those without those roids? No he isn’t.
Actually, I did my own research. I listened to a podcast and a guy said they're really good for recovery.
Mike is Ture about muscle but when we work out we should see the whole picture cold plunge is really make a different make you stronger make you better as a whole , and you should see yourself as a whole dont just focus on muscle growth .... it does not make you whole
I do not care what people say, HMB for me.
I hope people don't walk away from this thinking that Saunas and Cold Plunges are completely pointless when this is specifically about recovery.
@@MAKExEVIL especially because this is from the perspective that hypertrophy is the goal
they are
People will 100% walk away thinking saunas and cold plunges are useless. An unfortunate number of people seem to believe it’s good for everything or nothing.
As soon as they invent the 28 hour day I'll be sure to get enough sleep...
Cold is best for long tail releases or dopamine and adrenaline, this helps me get to the gym and have energy throughout the day.
But it’s not for recovery after the gym or while sore because it slows the rate of recovery/ hypertrophy.
Joe Rogan, Ronaldo, Andrew huberman dislikes this video
So, whos right? Huberman has some good evidence
Day 12 of asking Mr. Chris Williamson about his turgid, tediously pompous or bombastic, and aspiring trophy husband forearms routine.
What? Forearms routine? Why not just comment the insult instead of trying to mask it as a question?
P.S. To work your forearms you stick a weight in your hand and move your wrist forward or backwards. That's it.
Screw it. I love hitting the sauna for 25 minutes and jumping into the cold tub for 5. Don't know what the science says, but I know my body and mind says it does.
0:05 yea
what about that dude doing dips
He's wrong.... Im sorry but there is a reason every physical therapist uses ice on injuries.... you dont want to cold plunge at least 4 hours after a workout. He just spat out a bunch of random shit that he believes didn't have any studies he could use to back up his argument.
Yeah You know better then him.
Anyone who has trained intensely and taken a cold shower after or has hit the sauna knows what's up. It helps a lot with the recovery process in terms of feeling better and relaxing then you sleep better and the rest is genetics and nutrient intake.
BS, cold would prevent you from healing, sauna maybe would give you a minimal advantage, but both of those things stress your body so you age quicker.
Bring Me the Horizon 🤘
Sauna heat shock proteins
Happy to be corrected, but heat shock proteins aren't heat specific, it's just a name for the proteins generated as a response to trauma.
I imagine the trauma from exercise is already generating similar proteins at similar levels, but I can't cite a study that supports that.
sow nah,,,,,,,not saw-na
The truth here is disappointing.
Every single comment here is like “I like Dr Mike but he’s just wrong here. You see his science thing just isn’t right, ACTUALLY what’s right is my personal experience. See I feel better when I sauna and cold plunge so therefore it’s better for me”
He's not wrong. It is well known that cold after lifting should be avoided. You want the inflammation after a workout, which cold will reduce. He's only talking about recovery though. There's tons more benefits to hot/cold exposure. Dr Susanna Soberg has the studies to back it up.
Ppl are so upset this guy called bs on their hot cold regimens
Hi
The best recovery supplement is a placebo.
DOGGED Rogan in that thumbnail 😭
Hiiiii
If cold plunges aren’t beneficial, why do pro athletes take ice baths?
Dr Mike just gets off on being a contrarian
This is a fallacy, plenty of pros do not take ice baths, that doesn’t mean those are doing something wrong or those doing baths are doing something right. He blatantly gave performance reasons why an athlete might take an ice bath despite true recovery not happening.
You just get off being a contrarian.
Sauna's are just simply trending at the moment, give it 2 years from now and no one will give a fuck about them. they have been around for years, why now are people stating to sit in them? give it time people give it time.
I don't rate anything Mike says, and why all the bad language?
No it doesn’t lol 😂 it’s unhealthy to “Plunge” your body thinks it’s dying going into an extreme temperature
Not a fan of this dude - once he came out as a homosexual or bi or whatever he is I just can’t handle it.
@@986C you dislike him because of his sexuality?
I like Dr Mike Israetel, but he's wrong when it comes to heat and cold exposure. Don't know if there is enough data to suggest, that going from heat to cold is beneficial, but if you seperate them two from each other, it deifinitely works.
Can you elaborate on that? As far as I know, there is data to suggest they do _not_ help with recovery. There is data to suggest that heat does not mess up recovery, but does not improve it. There is data to suggest that cold completely messes up recovery (as in the adaptation to the stimulus in the scope of muscle gain).
Its about proving it works……
Thank you. Came to comments to make sure someone knowledgeable would be pushing back with truth on this.
There’s several people including Andrew Huberman that touted the benefits of heat and cold exposure have gone back to clarify that cold exposure should not be done within 2-3 hours after a workout. Dr Mike isn’t talking about whether it’s good or not. He’s talking specifically either hot or cold exposure in the scope of muscle recovery.
@@keithb4077without sources or expertise. Dont consider it truth.
This guy is annoying
I hate these kinds of interviews.
A person is asked a direct yes or no question.
They should answer "yes" or "no" and then describe what they mean.
Not start making metaphors and breaking down something in such a way that you make people wait for the simple answer at the end of the damn explanation.
Yes or no first!
I just don’t like this guy. Idk.
Fact: Cold plunges will extend your lifespan
Do you have data to support this?
Fact: Dinosaurs were made of Chocolate.
There is no evidence for this
Tell us about it when you're going to be 120...
@@SikDubzzfun fact: Whitney Houston thinks crack is wack
Cursing in a public forum is tacky.
Excessively, yes. A few words here and there is not that serious.
I don't personally swear that much. But I don't really care.
Or you're just weak minded
Guess I missed his credential where his opinion would matter on such things
Hiiiii