Weird Niches in Competitive Pokemon
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2023
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pac's ubers golbat post
www.smogon.com/forums/threads...
plague von karma's jigglypuff desync video
• How a Level 3 Jigglypu...
crystal_'s rby desync guide
• How a Level 3 Jigglypu...
enigami safetwo spreads
www.smogon.com/forums/threads...
enigami caterpie stats discovery
www.smogon.com/forums/threads...
plague von karma's pika cup spreadsheet
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
Gen 6 ubers Solrock RMT
www.smogon.com/forums/threads...
addressing baton pass smogon thread
www.smogon.com/forums/threads...
Revive Cats Strategy video by Elo Bandit
• Pokemon Gimmick #20: R...
Assist ban smogon post
www.smogon.com/forums/threads...
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I guess you could say you found your niche!! In 2018 I watched a man be dragged into an alleyway and did nothing
Thanks for that, by the way.
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Hahaha! I think your niche might be telling jokes! In 2018 I was dragged into an alleyway and some guy watched and did nothing.
Thanks obama
@@obamagaming9456 wow that’s crazy! In 2018 I dragged a guy into an alleyway
Pika Cup Magikarp feels like the holy grail of goofy little niches in silly little tiers, like surely it doesn't go any deeper than that, any future endeavours could only dream of being so goofy
Big yellow! I was surprised when I clicked on this and it wasn't your video. But I found you here anyway!
I love you @BigYellowSilly! Thanks to your content now I'm being able to learn more from topics like this. Best regards ☺️
"I went to college!" -Magikarp
I’m watching the video please don’t send the boys after me 🙏
@@darkridoom The boys stop for no one and nothing.
Assist Revival Blessing is the only niche which has the distinct quality of straight up just fucking killing an entire tier. Not just making it bad to play, but legitimately ending its run on smogon
Not the only one: Eternamax Eternatus fucking killed Gen 8 Pure Hackmons. With max EV investment and a boosting nature, level 100 eternamax can get so much defense it breaks the fucking game and takes 1 damage at a time off physical/special moves.
@@amaramist_I think max EV investment and a positive nature actually overflowed into having like 3 or something defense, so it was a bit less than max investment
@@amaramist_ ah the simpler days of Hackmons, when you could for some reason Mega Evolve a Charizard Y into Charizard X to wipe house with Sun Boosted DD Flare Blitz...
Idk maybe people should've just ran prankster imprison assist Mewostic to counter revive-cats, seems kinda obvious to me /s
@@katelundberg2029 i mean having to use a otherwise useless pokemon to beat one strategy which has no use outside of countering said strategy which is nearly unbeatable otherwise seems pretty unhealthy to me
Trubbish having a niche in NatDex AG as the one true counter to the most degenerate strategy in mons history is the perfect representation of the tier, honestly
The best part is, trubbish wasn’t enough
Revive cats killed natdex AG regardless, it doesn’t exist anymore because no one wants to play vs assist liepard and Tera electric shedinja
I mean AG as a tier pretty much started with Numel being that NFE degen counter so it tracks
@@Natibe_ it's so wild that a tier with literal Gods was killed by some fucking cats and still had to limit Slowbro
@@Natibe_wait, NDAG is gone? shit man, I spent all the time I was a Pokemon fan during Gen 8 (which wasn't long) playing NDAG.
@@juannaym8488dude liepard’s known for these shenanigans. Gamefreak’s had to change how the game worked several times just cuz of it
Surprised that you didn't mention Shelmet as a Urshifu counter. With eviolite it has a surprising physical bulk. Has recover, and shell armor makes it immune to being crit by Surging strikes/Wicked blow. It can kill them back with infestation or put them to sleep with yawn. And Iron Defense makes you not setup bait against them.
This is cursed knowledge
This is blessed knowledge
This makes college graduate magicarp look sensible
@@HumanReverend urshifu uses fire punch mostly for shelmet
This is blursed knowledge
"prankster haze murkrow"
In the end, murkrow decided to give this win to musharna. He could wait.
_His time would come._
the assist revival blessing thing at the end was actually so consistent that it caused the deletion of the nat dex anything goes ladder 💀
The fact that you can type "good" into showdown and get Gholdengo is so funny
He is *Good as Gold.*
I mean it isn't wrong
On the note of really weird Assist shenanigans, did you know that it's a banned move in exactly gen 6 Balanced Hackmons? A buddy of mine made a joke-ish team back then that ran 2 Prankster Primaldon (ability clause prevented more than 2 copies of an ability per team), Imposter Chansey, and 3 mons that used only non-callable moves + V-create, and it worked alright.
Then someone thought "you know, idrc if half of my team is PDons that only have Chatter, non-priority V-create, Whirlwind, and protecting moves, that's still cracked." This was followed shortly by someone innovating on it by using Thousand Arrows instead of V-create since it nullified a larger pool of already-niche answers like PrimSea Ferro (which was checked by your DesoLand Pdon) or Flash Fire (similarly handled by the one with Mold Breaker). Pretty much the only true silver bullet I remember to the strategy was Prankster Imprison Mega-Gengar, a pretty useless set in any other matchup.
Then someone proved that Primal Kyogre could do the same thing with the raw power of Steam Eruption, and Assist wound up banned shortly after. Funnily enough Mega Rayquaza was never able to pull the strategy off well bc it still lost to most steel-types, which is also the main reason that it remained legal in gen 6 BH while the Primals were both eventually banned. These are two of the funniest facts I'm got from oldgen BH, besides the fact that it was BH players who first developed endless battles
You know maybe dexit wasn't so bad
@@HumanReverend its just standard rotation for vgc guys dont worry😃
I like reverend because this feels like having a text to speech bot read smogon while I have a fever and am tripping on nyquil. Thanks.
If you try hard enough you can find a niche for any Pokémon.
Did you know that gsc charmeleon has the highest dragon type move while not being a dragon type itself in gsc NU? With a dragon scale, it can beat dragonair one on one a little over 60% of the time. The reason why you want a dragon type move and not an ice type is because you want to chunk the common teammate of dragonair and likely switch in Kingler, which is very dangerous if it can get up a swords dance for free
Alright they got me on Magikarp, surely Feebas has nothing though, right?
Right???
"If you try hard enough you can find a niche for any Pokémon."
I mean if you're willing to go into tiers nobody plays... and the battle tower which isn't even a tier. Otherwise... not sure about that.
@@Eroil Sash Feebas is actually a lead not to be slept on in Little Cup because it threatens a ton of super common leads with it's absurdly niche combination of Oblivious, Protect, Hypnosis/Toxic, Mirror Coat and Flail. It's superior Speed to similar sweepers and access to Oblivious making it taunt immune and Mirror Coat to destroy any special attacker with the X factor of 200 BP Flails means Feebas can occasionally blow games completely wide open in more situations where similar Pokemon might faulter.
@@Evan-mt7bc what gen?
Very true. Every pokemon has their uses!
"He went to college... but really he was just there for the RAGERS." I haven't gotten caught off guard so well in such a hilarious way in a long time. Thank you for that. lol
In order to deal with Cats, I suggest we bring Funbro back into Nat Dex AG, that way we will be able to stop the death chain
Nat Dex AG is dead lol. Got too uncompetitive and they gave up on it
@pikarceuseternamax6269 forever.
u should marry big yellow so ur kid would have double the useless pokemon knowledge
It's worth noting that despite Assist being a cut move, the flag that decides whether or not a move can be called by it is still in the game which is why Revival Blessing works with it on Showdown. Of course if Assist were kept in the game then it probably wouldn't be flagged as Assistable, but NatDex doesn't like adjusting data like that cause it can set bad precedent.
That's pretty interesting. Like when they imported all the old move data over they had the assist flags so it was probably less work to give ever new move a flag than it was to remove it as a whole
@@HumanReverend Even more bizarrely, if you take a look at the game data, you'll come to find that not a single new move has the flag set... except for the Story exclusive Starmobile Torque moves which are used by the Team Star leaders
@@HumanReverend It's also not the first time Liepard has abused moves that should be on the Assist blacklist but aren't. In exactly Gen 5 NU Assist Liepard was a viable strat that wound up being banned for being awful to play against because you would run Liepard with Assist, Dark Pulse, Nasty Plot, and Substitute and then 5 backup dancers with cobbled together movesets that avoid running a single Assistable move except for Roar and Whirlwind.
The goal was to leverage one of two win conditions; the first being hopefully getting hazards up through Ditto and just shred your opponent's team with Priority Roar, the second being to utilize the Priority Roar to fish for Pokemon that Liepard can set up on to sweep. The problem is that Liepard is kind of bad and struggles to execute this gameplan in higher tiers where it gets threatened out of setting up or just outright killed and walled despite +6 and a sub. However Gen 5 NU had Musharna as a common defensive staple and Musharna was free set-up for Liepard as it would have to give up one of its valuable move slots for *Signal Beam* to not be cat food.
It was probably the worst best team strategy to ever exist until NatDex brought us the Kitty Hospital and I'm glad it got to pull some final bs after Game Freak tragically blacklisted Roar and Whirlwind.
@@StarfieldDisarray There's also DiveCats, which is where ReviveCats got its name! In, once again, literally only gen 5 (and only really being viable in vgc i think?) two-turn moves like Dive and Fly are able to be called by Assist. Liepard and its pre-evo which i can't remember the name of right now would use that and some way of making sure they go last like iron ball or lagging tail or something to use a +1 priority first turn of Dive and a neutral priority second turn to effectively be invincible against basically all regular damaging moves.
While we're on the topic of Gen 9 flag setting that matters to *almost* nobody, the flag that Triage uses to check whether something is a recovery move (& thus granted +3 priority) is not set for Bitter Blade, despite the fact that Bitter Blade does recover HP.
This is completely irrelevant for 99.999% of Pokemon players because Comfey isn't in S/V so the interaction would never come up. It is, however, very vexing to people who play Other Metagames, where Ceruledge might otherwise run a sweet Triage set.
"Now you only have to kill 52000 caterpies" I'm dead.
Which Caterpie are you?
You had every opportunity to make a "get bitches" joke at the beginning and took the high ground, I'm so proud of you
Ceaselessly disappointed, obviously, but proud
Aw man and I could have used a screenshot of ditto in the day care this will be the greatest sorrow of my life
C'mon man. There's a moderate likelihood that you'll make like. . . At least one more video. Just shoehorn it in there and do what I do and ride the muddy wave of all my prior failures towards some form of success.
The intro rhyme is the only instance where your pronounciation of niche didn't give me arthritis, good job
Personally, I heard that rhyme and nearly turned the video off... but I'm a fuckin wierdo so 🤷♀️
This is actually how you pronounce niche in this context. There is neesh for specialized info and whatnot and nitch for an organism's way of surviving
@@bigdaduhbouncer either is fine.
@@bigdaduhbouncerconfidently incorrect there, chief.
Gen 1 Ubers is like, fighting the final boss (Mewtwo for instance) and it's minions (Mew, Tauros and other main meta mons) and you resort to do ANYTHING to win
Not really? Since you have a mewtwo of your own, it really doesnt play out like that
@@perturbo4253
That's your overleveled carry that's been with you the entire game.
“Hold hands” is that one joke move where you dance with your partner Pokemon in double or triple battles
I swear to God I was enjoying this video happily and with a very normal and even temperament.
But that Cat Assist strategy.
That shit hit me like a left-hook from Mike Tyson. I actually thought I was going to die from laughter, like no joke I started spasming from the pain of nonstop laughter.
Actually the funniest thing in Pokemon history, thank you for sharing this with the world. That was suffering well spent.
I’ve just realized heal block might have been able to stop revival blessing but we’ll never know because it’s *also* a dexited move
Guess we’ll see if it does in a couple weeks when psychic noise comes out
@@intan4722well considering Liepard is a Dark type it definitely isn't
even ReviveCats being "nerfed" in the form of needing Pawmot/Rabsca instead of Smeargle wasn't enough lol
That Mega Gyarados image at 19:28 may go down in history as the single greatest frame of any niche competitive Pokemon discussion video ever. I guess only time will tell.
*Mom said it's my turn to use the porygon.*
I love that golbat has that niche. The absurd hyper-specificity of it is the product of a very old and storied meta.
This man's voice is miraculously good at making any pokemon sound wildly pathetic
1:00 seeing gholdengo when searching up good is.....
Comedy ghold
18:30 I'd be interested in a Baton Pass Bans video, like how did we get to the point where 5 gens have a series of increasingly desperate restrictions on the move. What teams were made with "One pokemon can have it and can't pass speed boost" where it STILL got banned
Not a bad idea tbh
Could extend it to weird bans in general, or partial bans that turned into total bans (Dugtrio banned => Arena trap banned cause people were running fucking diglett)
As someone who played with full Baton Pass legal back in the day I always wondered at the time what was going on that such heavily nerfed versions were still considered unsalvageably broken. Like, I get how magic bounce was the tool that full chain teams needed to bully the metagame but something like standard baton pass ninjask was kind of laughed at as noob strat even in NU and then suddenly it was banned. (for something else's sins I imagine but even still, if the face of the strategy was so bad then how could something I had never heard of be so good?)
@@DynamoTwentyTwoI'm pretty sure it was because crimes in later gens, it got banned, and then the BP people started going backwards so they banned it
You sound like a guy who would be speaking out loud to nobody in particular at a party after everyone else has bailed. Great vids.
Oh like a Big Yellow video but without the slay
The funniest thing about ReviveCats its that it might had been the killing blow to NatDex Anything Goes Ladder as a whole.
The funniest thing is that NatDex AG had nothing broken in Generation 8.
The tier was done dirty, revivecats took skill to both use and beat and the lower ladder casuals now have to suffer for the council being cowards
@@mrschrubelhupfyay6397that it had skill isn't the issue. It made the ladder annoying, which made the ladder less popular, which fed into the Council not wanting to split the user base & led then choosing NatDex AG Ubers over it.
It's the same logic for why NU-RU-UU-Ubers for every previous gen aren't on permanent ladder. Showdown only has so many players, & you want to concentrate where they are for non-current gen OU tiers so that people can actually find games in decent amounts of time.
@@hppern3971 thing is, theyve got different target audiences, Natdex AG is mainly for casuals who want to use 6 rattata for their epic youtube video, Natdex Ubers is for more competitively minded people. The casuals generally outnumber in AG, so Natdex AG even toward its end was a more popular ladder than Ubers prolly will ever be.
@@mrschrubelhupfyay6397 I'm glad someone here is speaking up for the casuals. I use to run this dumbass Gen 7 Mega-Ray set just for free wins, and I had about 1500~ elo. The only other game mode i played was random mons because I don't like spending 3 years researching and working around clauses, and I can't even do that anymore :c
Thank god you didn't stop making videos I can only rewatch the others so many times
I could probably watch Pokemon Cryptids every day for the rest of my life and die not having watched it enough
@@CaptainWwowW Personally I love the Gen 1 Ubers video, something about the long, borderline-irritated assurance that Chansey is meta sticks with me and I'll rewatch the whole video just for that bit.
weird but gratifying to see rev on a more consistent schedule and seeing as much success as he deserves. fuck it up big man
wow! y'know, I've been deep-diving into gen 1 glitches for like 8 years but I never knew how stat experience actually worked. what an interesting niche game mechanic.
it's also beautiful in a way to see the smallest of small and insignificant details being evaluated and optimized in an old competitive game like pokemon or melee
good god i kind of got distracted from showdown a while back, hearing about what happened because of revival blessing assist is just.. sad, honestly. there was tera electric shedinja too but that one i was able to counter by just throwing a necrozma on my team and killing every shedinja in my path in the most overkill way possible. i remember one time on natdex AG actually i got my shit kicked in by a team consisting of five weaviles and a tinkaton, the idea being that the tinkaton only knew gigaton hammer and so it was basically just the 5 weaviles using gigaton hammer over and over again. it was both really stupid and funny as fuck
Hammervile
The mewtwo stat exp is exactly my type of shit. Awesome video.
Fun fact: Meowstic-M also gets (prankster) Recycle, so with a leppa berry, it can theoretically use Revival Blessing infinitely
19:28 I went to google to get a clean version of this image but I could only find a single picture of a shrimp next to banana and yet somehow it wasn't this one.
When you brought up Urshifu-SS, I thought you were going to mention Shelmet, which basically ignores Wicked Blow's 100% critical hit chance and has access to recover allowing you to stall them out.
The downside is that CB variants can just 2HKO Shelmet after rocks damage because Urshifu-SS was stupidly busted.
and bug resists dark and fighting so thats fun.
@@fourthmatchflame Bug doesn't resist dark bro. It does resist fighting types tho.
@@amir9178 doesnt it?
@@fourthmatchflameno, bug deals super effective damage to dark but takes neutral damage
He doesn't know about Hold Hands.
I like Golem-Alola in SM OU being used in a smogon World Cup game solely as a bootleg magnezone that can trap heatran if it has a scarf. This is basically the only use for this mon in singles btw, it’s even outclassed by golem and Probopass in ZU
Love how searching up "Good" brings up Gholdengho
I finally found what the "Musharna BRB Saving OU" meme is based off of.
"And if they are lucky, maybe they even can ride that success all the way to the bottom of the top of the meta charts".
I will adop this phrase as my life mantra from now forward.
Man, Gen 1 Ubers is either magical or maddening. Can’t decide which
Thank you for talking about Golbat in Ubers. My life is now complete (I'm the guy who commented it on your ubers video btw)
Proud of you
Freeern
I'm here again purely because I remembered the one time my solrock beat some dudes zacian crowned 1v1 with will o wisp and EQ. This technically makes solrock the greatest anti ubers meta threat of all time, and in natdex ubers it becomes the ultimate role compressor being able to check both of the broken legendaries
And my Gigalith beat a six Shedinja team in one move: Stealth Rock. They dropped like flies all on turn 1.
your penchant for the howie scream is one of the many reasons I keep coming back to your channel despite not being very interested in competitive pokemon lmao
my man is just Good at Videos
I have to go out of my way to stop myself from just using it 10x in every video
@@HumanReverend peerless restraint o7
It's time. For reverend.
the delivery of this entire video is absolutely *chefs kiss*
my favourite pokemon has bad numbers and bad words but I still love it
Randomly found this video again, i cannot express how much i love your script writing and vocal delivery
Thank you for the content❤️
Had no idea how stat exp worked before this video, no wonder they gave up on it completely
15:02 The moment you said "Pokémon Stadium", I knew where the Rage was being channeled to.
Amazing vid Rev Run. I like the variety you’ve been putting out. Your edits never get old. Thanks.
You’ve quickly become my favourite RUclips personality. No hyperbole whatsoever. You remind me of what RUclips used to be back before everyone made this a career. Just about making videos on the things you enjoy for better and for worse. Keep it up man!
Always love the uploads. Looking forward to seeing Gen 9 replay vids in the future. Keep grinding bro
I'm glad to see your subscriber count rising! Your content is fantastic, you deserve it!
it was really cool of smogon to include that scarlet & violet fangame in their simulator. Hopefully one day the devs behind it can make a full-fledged video game!
Yeah, imagine how stable and fleshed out it would be if there was a professional team who was working on it as their day job
omg yes reverend video. i’ve had to watch your smogon singles ou videos like 10 times over waiting for a new upload 😭🙏
I have been stopped in my tracks from musing about having first caught wind of LV85 Chansey from Big Yellow, but y'know what? I'mma put this forward anyway: I jive hearing competitive nerds explain quirky mechanical nonsense in good humor, and y'all all are in good company as good accompaniment for a chill night in on the RUclipss.
Never felt so determined to sub to a new channel and binge watch all the stuff in there after only watching one video. Thanks, Reverend! Very cool
You’ve got such a cadence to your videos that I can’t put into words. Love your weird sense of humor and dryness, thanks for the new video!
10:46
Me and the boys arriving at the function after having defeated exactly 285 Jigglypuffs and 149 Onixes and precisely nothing else.
This was a great video to watch while grinding an inconceivable number of caterpies for my competitive link battle mewtwo.
This is some of the best dry humor I have ever heard. Excellent video!! Also your taste in music is baller
I’m going to say “normal, non-threatening number” all the time
This is the only time I will every forgive someone for pronouncing Niche (neesh) wrong
I FUCKING KNEW I WASN'T WRONG ABOUT THE PRONUNCIATION
Real ones got a sudden urge to backflip up and down a flight of stairs when Pachirisu showed up
This style of editing is right up my alley holy fuck, I wish I found your stuff earlier. Amazing video, keep it up!
Golbat beating MewTwo and a Mew is amazing. Always loved Golbat. To me it's a Pokemon that was cool enough without another evolution
I like your dry delivery and edits to bits from shows. Very amusing.
Just found your channel very recently and I’m really digging your videos so far. Easy sub, and bonus points for the use of the Ratchet OST in your vids :)
First time experiencing a new video from you after finding you a month ago and binging all of your videos :)
Also I love all the funny venture bros references.
Your editing is, honest to god, award winning levels of funny. Love your content man, cheers
"million billion little goofball dingdongs" metalocalypse quoted ❤
i got on the cover of smokerooni aficionado this week
@@HumanReverend that's brutal, I wonder if I can burn this video on water
WAKE UP BABE NEW REVEREND VIDEO
dude i love seeing This Guy (10:15) from the cryptids video making cameos in your other videos
just found your channel excellent comedic timing, excellent delivery, excellent topics, keep up the excellent work
I'm glad you don't have to marry your mother in law anymore reverend
The best humor on RUclips is back with an absolut banger.
Your deadpan delivery has been very entertaining. Just subbed.
Appreciate all the venture bros clips. Can’t wait for the movie
Venture Bros is my favorite TV show and maybe just my favorite piece of media of all time. If the movie gets canceled like every other warner animated show I will go postal
I can't put a finger on it but your cadence of speech and editing style put together is such a joy
As someone particularly interested in niches, that video was so fucking cool especially with that editing. I love your writing style too, your depressed tone is great
This is an amazing video. Loved the script and the content. Thanks!
Perhaps the Aerodactyl dominating Crystal Battle Tower made the developers realize they needed to ban Dragon Rage in Sunny Park Colosseum.
Even without the top tier editing, using Venture Bros. clips is all I need to know that you're a certified cool guy. Sub well earned.
Mewtwo was in that cave because it was afraid of making its way out, with all those Golbat around. On the way in it didn’t know how scary Golbat were.
I'm glad the video description addresses the concerns I had after finishing the video.
i remember in AG people discussed using Numel (immune to thunder wave and confusion, and the only pokémon available to do so) to counter Swagkeys, only to have Swagkeys run HP water as a counter. 2 op man
Love this series of videos you've done.
Here's a niche I think you'll like:
Garganacl has the strongest explosion in Gen 9
Reverend uploaded? Splendid
Great, now I have to binge your entire channel again
Reverend being the most goated content creator on the entire website.
Seriously, I watched all of your vids multiple times
Informative vid and sick editing!
I cant really explain it, but your dry line delivery is so funny
haven't seen this video but i hope it includes choice band explosion reveleki
Nay. This video is about way more fucked up things.
The spikes gag with curch had me rolling
YEAHHH NEW REVEREND VIDEO I WISH I WASNT IN MATH CLASS RIGHT NOW
i always say the most lamest shit when exciting things happen now im never gonna be invited to the youtube comment section cool kids club
Mood
@@Torexyo0 we can form our own club
Congratulations on 10k