@order-sol's last brain cell and submission is almost funnier considering how garbage that move would be in that matchup since it doesn't have that great of a base power. And the recoil would just chip snorlax even more with paralysis and freeze looming around to boot. Even if it had curse back then it would still be risky and without leftovers that leaves it kind of in a bad spot.
I don't think it's a good idea to have another normal type pokemon on your team, you should load up on some fighting-resists to balance your weaknesses, some poison type mons should do the trick!
Porygon being a Snorlax Counter has the same energy as Quagsire popping up in OU and Ubers to grief specific Pokemon, a beautiful anomaly only found in Pokemon
quag counters a lot of things in a lot of tiers, unaware is a generally useful ability and water/ground is a great defensive typing. The real ubers matchup fish is cloud nine golduck vs. primal groudon and mega-ray.
Reasons to use Porygon: - Very cute - Loves you back - Deserves better after how much it was defamed by Pikachu - Has a niche in OU which is probably more than that stupid dumb rat can manage - Requires little processing power to render - Very cool and awesome Reasons to not use Porygon: -
"Bad" Pokemon that can excel thanks to a good matchup against a top tier threat are my favourite. I love how in the perma-weather generations the strongest Uber, Kyogre, gets hard-walled by stuff lìke Shedinja and Ludicolo.
Porygon’s backsprite is among my favorites from Gen 1. It really looks like whoever made it had no idea how Porygon is actually shaped or at least couldn’t figure out how to draw it at that angle.
It feels like only the front facing sprites had any reference drawings to go off of, while the back sprites were made up on the spot. I'm positive that at least the trainer graphics are digitized drawings which have been lost, only remnants of them surviving in Pokémon Stadium.
I love how Porygon gains more value because of it's lack of value, not only do you not really care if your *porygon* gets exploded on but its the perfect pokemon to potentially eat devastating one-per-battle statuses.
that's not actually an upside though, since you could have been using an actually good pokemon that could have gotten boomed or frozen instead. it's not like the rest of your team becomes stronger because you use porygon
@@herrabanani it is still an upside because it’s snorlax you are hoping to make explode, One of the big 3 and on every team. Unless you are totally insane and took Snorlax/Tauros/Chancy off your team to put Porygon on it, The better Pokémon you could be using (one of the psychics, Rhydon, Zapados etc.) still would have been worse than Snorlax, and if that Pokémon could force a trade with Lax like Porygon sometimes can, it would do it (like you are trading your rook for their Queen). I do agree that the fact u can switch it into debilitating one per game status conditions or other booms because it is often useless is not something that makes it good, more like it’s a fact about gen 1 games that makes having one gimmicky low tier on your otherwise strong team more viable. This is because even in the games/matchups where it doesn’t do anything it can be used as a dedicated status/boom sponge, which is much better than Porygon could do facing an amnesia or reflect Lax team if those mechanics weren’t in the game. Porygon is just as good at dying to a predicted explosion or being frozen or taking a thunderwave for your Tauros as any other Pokémon, so if you used it to fulfill that function in a matchup where it can’t do its thing, you didn’t lose too much from not running a better Pokémon. Also 32 pp of recover does make it pretty good at getting itself frozen vs. Chansey, though they can just twave you if they want the chance to freeze something else.
When that scientist in the Pokémon movie said they succeeded at creating the ultimate life form they were clearly talking about the digital duck instead of mewtwo.
The first time I heard Porygon had a good matchup with Snorlax, I ran the calcs and thought to myself "I don't get it, Porygon does nothing to Lax, Lax hits him much harder in return, what am I missing here?" I can't say I ever envisioned that Recover stall would turn out to be the thing I was missing.
5:14 even if it's not gonna kill unless Snorlax gets obscenely lucky again, for some reason this specific scene cutting directly after a crit is the funniest thing to me. It's like "aw yeah, check this out, we're walling Snorlax ALL D- cut the video *CUT THE VIDEO"*
Nah dude don't worry, your passion for RBY and ability to make everything funny and interesting means that it's very hard to get bored of your vids. And your editing is consistently clean and always improving. Also I've always loved the Porygon line, especially Z, but you can never use them in-game due to being a pain in the ass to obtain or just locked to the Post Game. And even then I can't evolve them into their perfect form. Seeing their viability in Competitive anywhere brings a smile to my face
Just change your (absolutely legally obtained) ROMs to have Porygon as a starter and also make it evolve via level-up. Universal randomizer is what you need. Have fun :)
The competitive utility of the Porygon family is just bizarre, fitting for their designs. I remember in Gen VII OU, when Z-moves were in play, Porygon-Z had a legitimate nieche with Z-Conversion, getting an omni-boost and becoming whatever type you need it to be, usually Ghost. It's unfortunately too predictable to be an OU staple, but that didn't stop it from hanging out with the cool kids in UUBL (yes, I consider them cool kids; I like them better than most of the OU bullies). And then you have Porygon2, being the most annoying piece of shit in every generation it gets to participate in.
Wasnt too bad in Gen 8 VGC before restricteds. DMax Adaptability Hyper Beam could do some mad damage. And I take issue with P2 being called the most anoying piece of shit in every generation, because that honor belongs to Dusclops.
@@juannaym8488 they're both up there. Will o wisp and pain split vs thunder wave, recover and eerie impulse. Both with trick room and ally switch. Pick your poison
It's kind of incredible how just this wild confluence of factors allowed unassuming little Porygon to have a niche in high-level play. Like all the stars aligned for the little guy to have a favorable matchup against one of RGBY's biggest powerhouses against all expectations
I think my favorite thing in competitive games is “low tier that’s kit specifically counters a top tier” like cammy against dhalsim in super turbo or Tizoc against Kevin Rian in mark of the wolves. It adds a layer to competitive play that I don’t think you can replicate in any traditional competitive game.
That much is true. Porygon z nukes calryex shadow on the switch in and calryex cant ko it fast enough unless it has sash with shadow ball ( still porygon z)
Back when I played Let's go eevee competitive on hardware I actually used base porygon at a time for a similar reason, it had reliable recovery (something that was lacking in that game) and good set up moves, so it made a very decent physical wall with type coverage to hurt many threats
You'd be surprised how many seemingly random choices worked back in the day due to very specific niches that expanded. Alolan dugtrio was a fantastic Zapdos check because it walled it and even though the zapdos player could switch out, you still hit things hard and you could theoretically beat a zapdos in a battle of switching because the zapdos takes 25% from Stealth rocks every time it switches in. (Reminder that alolan dugtrio got rocks) While you quad resist rocks yourself
@@rodrigofigueiredo8597 falseswipe gaming has a good video on the meta, I usually played the non candy meta (you'll see what I mean when I link you the video)
In gen 2 OU, there's this really cool pokemon called shuckle that has the same sort of deal porygon has here where it's a really solid answer to snorlax but sucks vs everything else.
@@RiderOfPeppersShuckle has absurd defenses and resists normal. It stalls snorlax with Toxic, Flash, Defense Curl, and Rest. Snorlax can't break past it thanks to defense curl, and it's forced to rest with toxic. Flash is there because Shuckle doesn't have anything else worth running that's better that has at least 32 PP, which is needed to stall out Snorlax. Defense Curl is used over Curse since it has 64 PP.
I love when top-tier threats get countered by silly little guys in Pokemon, especially when the way they counter the big guys is just by being really fucking obnoxious. It makes it feel like the matchup is personal, like Porygon lost a bet with Snorlax once and then dedicated the rest of their life specifically to spiting them no matter the cost.
the fact that Porygon is also faster than lax prevents it from being in range of Body Slam followed by Hyper Beam cause it can recover before to stay out of range.
@@l4zybo1 I meant in like the context of RBY. as Porygon has everything it needs... other than the BST to back it up. if it had P2s stats it would legit by a meta force in gen 1.
@@v1rgilio Ttar had one of the biggest glow ups ever in Gen 8 went from a mon that temporarily dropped to UU, to one of the scariest breakers in the entire OU meta. What a 180 Albiet it was always good, but the general opinion on Tyranitar changed so drastically against it, and then in favor of it it's crazy.
Can we just talk about how perfect Big Yellow is? Favorable traits include: -Witty writing -Hilarious editing -Informative videos on fun niches -Diverse content -Entertaining livestreams -Beautiful face -Wide variety of skills in several games -Majestic voice -Probably has a massive pocket rocket -Father/mother/NB parent of my waifu, Scrunguschu! Unfavorable Traits: -???
I love seeing situations where something that everyone would write off has a niche application or an antimeta pick. I think it speaks to how metas evolve and why for instance things that are top tier don’t always stay top tier. I’m not saying Porygon is going to break the RBY meta wide open, but looking at some overall recent changes to a game I’ve been interested in since I was like six is absolutely fascinating. Best of luck in the Melee tournament! May your victories be swift and decisive and your losses non-existent!
Awesome video! Plague von Karma also did a video on this topic recently and I love the attention that some of the more interesting parts of RBY have been getting recently, including Porygon’s slight but legitimate OU niche. Love ya
“Offensive presents.” A pun after my own heart. XU What a nice, quick analysis! I’ve been following your content for a while now, and it’s wonderful to see how much you’ve grown.
I've heard about Porygon in OU before, but never knew why. That's pretty neat, and seems like a prime example of the flaws of a concrete and/or numerical tier list system
@@Tvboy777 kinda hard to put into words, but basically the fact that it's hard to really account for niches and matchups/counterpicks in tierlists. Porygon itself really isn't a "powerful" Pokemon like a glance at the viability rankings might imply, but its ability to counter Snorlax still lets it get in the viability rankings. It's like how with Golem was (or still is, I can't remember) prominent in OU, but fell out of favor to the point of dropping to UU. It didn't have any real niche in UU, and even got dropped to NU I'm not really good at explaining shit, so I hope I made at least some sense
Would love to see a video that covers all of the weird jank RBY has, stuff like the 256 miss, weird paralysis interactions after stat changes and weird substitute interactions
@@cyanideytcuriousseadoggo is there any proof that gen 1 miss is even a glitch? because it seems like people just dont like it and therefore assume its a glitch. i dont think its that unreasonable for every move except swift [which is supposed to always hit] to have a small chance of missing, when you consider the fact that red and blue were not intended to have multiplayer and it was tacked on at the end of development. just seems like a [bad] design choice to me
I absolutely love all the visual edits and gags in this video, especially the "offensive presence" one, that one was amazing. Have fun at your melee tournament!
I just realized why Porygon is so bad: it’s a joke about how the creators were ostracized for making a gameboy game in the age of 3D graphics, so in frustration the creators made Porygon (which in Japanese is pronounced identically to polygon) as a 3D Pokemon in a 2D game. And they hated polygonal games so “Porygons suck”
I once used a Porygon in a doubles battle in FRLG. Using Conversion 2, it transformed into the Steel type and held off three other Pokemon by itself until it finally succumbed to the fourth. It has remained a low key favorite of mine ever since.
I might be in the minority but man I actually watch both your fighting game videos and your Pokemon videos as I have a passion for both. Whatever video you make I'm always excited to watch. Whether it be dissecting a street fighter third strike character or talking about the most op Pokemon type I'm always looking forward to watching them.
This is why I love hearing about competitive Pokemon even though I don't really play it myself. I just really love the random stuff like the Body Slam glitch and how it shook up the meta. I don't know what it is; I just find things like that fascinating. The fact that you've got this pretty well developed meta being played on emulators for years...and then one day someone's like "oh, shit...hold up. RBY is even more glitchy than we thought..." and that just changed so much. Made Porygon have a niche, destroyed Golem's viability...other things I'm not thinking of just now...I just love it. I also love things like the way Flareon got shafted by being a Pokemon with a massive attack stat but only special STAB.
Seeing the text on the thumbnail for this video sent it into a Schrodinger space for me: either it was dramatic, perhaps from the perspective of an onlooker witnessing an unassuming Porygon commit this terrifying feat, and whispering in disbelief, "...It's decent?", or incredibly comedic by undercutting every other element on the image with a flat, entirely meh, "It's decent." The lack of a shoutpole is, I think, a key part of what sold the two simultaneously. Excellent work; no notes. (And hey, good luck at Melee Thing!)
as much as i love the pokemon videos i just wanna say i 100% understand and respect that accidentally becoming a pokemon youtuber is not a great long term strategy for someone like you who wants to also make videos about things other than pokemon 💞 love yr work thanks for the great content, pokemon or otherwise. btw idk if you're already considering this but i think it'd be cool to see a recap of the melee tournament. highlights with commentary maybe?
I love your videos so much! fantastic information, expertly timed humor, and pretty nails really make for an excellent comfort content to gravitate towards. Good luck at the tournament!
7:50 correction - the chance of not getting paralyzed in 24 Body Slams is 0.019%, not 0.0019%. Also, just for fun, the chance of avoiding para in the same scenario but *accounting for* the 1/256 miss chance is 0,0199%, as opposed to 0,0192% when ignoring misses. It's honestly even more insignificant than what I expected; then again, idk what I was thinking lol
Body slam paralysis immunity is another thing I love about gen 1, imagine how much easier scald would be to deal with if water types were immune to its burn, or poison types were immune to dire claw sleep
This honestly might be one of favourite channels right now, idk if it’s the format or the content itself but I love it, it’s just so addicting man. Love pokemon so it’s so fun learning obscure stuff about these older metagames that I wouldn’t ever know otherwise. Keep it up ✨
Your commentary on anything related to RBY tiers are all amazing, well put and concise. I love it! As a fellow trainer that played a lot the meta, I can say for sure that everything you say is relevant! Thanks for that! :D Edit: About what you said that novices must NOT use Porygon: that's because they need to understand what every single big threat in OU does, how to counter them and how to build a team. After that, they need to learn as much as they can about the meta. Only then, they can adventure with Lapras, Golem, Porygon, Persian, Victreebel.
I have a newfound respect for this weird duck, the fact you're rolling the dice on the opponent's Snorlax set can only be a positive for me because I have a serious gambling problem. All the best for Fête 2!
I came here for the fighting games but now I can't stop watching pokemon content pls send help In all seriousness, your vids are what got me into pokemon and I can't be more grateful for that. Also, your edits have significantly improved. Just astounding work, Yellow. Keep it up, champ!
I found out about RBY Porygon a little while back because seeing it on the OU viability rankings blew my mind. It's amazing what a a bit of extra PP can do. Have fun at Fete, and good luck!
I haven't played pokemon competitively consistently since gen 4, but your videos on the different metas are genuinely some of my favorite pokemon content lmao. Thanks for the hard work!
Hey! Just a random viewer here who's very interested in your Pokemon videos about early metagames. Your videos on Glitchmons and Learnsets probably being the most fun for me- mostly because they're very hypothetical ideas that are interesting to think about. Something similar to that which I would love to see you tackle is maybe a video on a hypothetical review of how the scrapped/reworked pokemon from the Spaceworld 1997 demo of Gold and Silver would be like in a competitive setting. I'm asking that you at least look into the idea because it's probably the last thing people think about when it comes to that demo, especially because I couldn't find any easily accessible documentation on any of the pokemon's learnsets. I think looking at every cut fully evolved 'mon from the GS beta would be sick as fuck.
Wow! This is the first video that I see from you and it's great! Thanks, this is very interesting! It's cool finding more videos like this one! New sub :D (Also your nails are really pretty)
Big Yellow talking about my favorite mon?? I thought the day would never come, and expected a small mention on RBY OU/UU talks, but you came in with the redemption arc
I also wouldn't mind at all if you made more Pokemon content! I know fighting games are your main thing but I really love the RBY competitive stuff especially. All Pokémon content is awesome but particularly gen 1 interests me a ton. Ive played the games a bunch of times as a kid and even once I got back into the game as a young adult. The gen 3 remakes are my preferred way to play, but ive never played competitive gen 1 and you have me interested enough to explore it. Thanks for the content as always. Looking forward to more obscure early gen competitive facts in the future
As someone who's never gone back and played the original Gen 1 Pokémon games, I can't stress enough how surreal it is to hear the phrase "Gengar's damage output is much lower than Tauros," around the 9:22 mark of this video. Like damn, that really goes to illustrate just how far Tauros's fall from grace was; it went from being a stronger sweeper than Gengar to a complete nothing of a Pokémon that you'd barely ever choose for even casual playthroughs of the games from Gen 4 onwards. Let's hope it gets some love in Scarlet and Violet with an evolution/regional form like people have been speculating since that last trailer.
More Pokémon content please!! Learning weird/interesting shit about competitive Pokémon is my favorite addiction ( despite having no interest in actually playing )
idk where you suddenly came for but for the past 2 months ive been binging your vids, you got me back into competitive pokemon (and also into smash again) really appreciate it, have been relapsing into my depression and new intrests really help me get my mind out of things. the way you make your videos keep me watching, the funny thumbnails makes me laugh, and your way of talking about it is so great. keep it going man, love it!
Kinda reminds me of Quagsire (On teams which aren't full Stall), but also reminds me of what alot of Porygon2 sets became. I still remember managing to fully max out a Porygon2's HP and Defense back in Gen6 and being able to stall out Mega Lopunny of all pokemon. Their High Jump Kick just somehow didn't do enough damage to even get in 2HKO range. Then again this was Wifi Battles. I'm sure if it was Showdown there would be some issues.
What's even funnier is that Porygon somehow does this AGAIN in Ubers! Still not amazing at the job, but the fact that it can even stand up to Mew at all is impressive
Understood, Porygon is busted and incredibly consistent against every Snorlax, and I should use it on my first ever RBY team.
glad someone gets it
Not Porygon, that's for sure.
No wait! Surely you need to consider Porygon’s fighting type weakness? An untimely submission or seismic toss could ruin your Snorlax counter!
@order-sol's last brain cell and submission is almost funnier considering how garbage that move would be in that matchup since it doesn't have that great of a base power. And the recoil would just chip snorlax even more with paralysis and freeze looming around to boot. Even if it had curse back then it would still be risky and without leftovers that leaves it kind of in a bad spot.
I don't think it's a good idea to have another normal type pokemon on your team, you should load up on some fighting-resists to balance your weaknesses, some poison type mons should do the trick!
Porygon being a Snorlax Counter has the same energy as Quagsire popping up in OU and Ubers to grief specific Pokemon, a beautiful anomaly only found in Pokemon
Quagsire being the best Zacian check will never not be funny to me
Quag is omnipotent
quag counters a lot of things in a lot of tiers, unaware is a generally useful ability and water/ground is a great defensive typing.
The real ubers matchup fish is cloud nine golduck vs. primal groudon and mega-ray.
best kyogre counter and best zacian counter 😌
@@ILikeCrunchyWater quagod will not stop until it has a niche in every single tier
Reasons to use Porygon:
- Very cute
- Loves you back
- Deserves better after how much it was defamed by Pikachu
- Has a niche in OU which is probably more than that stupid dumb rat can manage
- Requires little processing power to render
- Very cool and awesome
Reasons to not use Porygon:
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Reasons not to use Porygon:
- Porygon-2
@@AshenDust_ In gen 2 and onwards
@@AshenDust_ Porygon-Z* somebody uploaded a virus to our beloved program
Porygon: the only mon that can be hacked 2 ways
fuck pikachu
all my homies hate pikachu
"Bad" Pokemon that can excel thanks to a good matchup against a top tier threat are my favourite. I love how in the perma-weather generations the strongest Uber, Kyogre, gets hard-walled by stuff lìke Shedinja and Ludicolo.
And Swagsire.
Shedinja, the GOAT in all our hearts
And parasect
Mirror B must be so proud.
Or like Ariados countering Deoxys-S and Darkrai occasionally during DPPt.
Getting 15 minutes of content out of rby competetive porygon is surely something
It's like the perfect mix of BKC and False Swipe Gaming
"Quick video" when False Swipe's video on Ursaring is 14 min long.
It's not what i thought i wanted but its literally exactly what I needed
@@Mimi-qe7qz dear god, false swipe gaming will take like ten minutes to explain information that can be condensed into like two sentences
@@ChocolateSoda1 I see you've never watched BKC then
Porygon’s backsprite is among my favorites from Gen 1. It really looks like whoever made it had no idea how Porygon is actually shaped or at least couldn’t figure out how to draw it at that angle.
It feels like only the front facing sprites had any reference drawings to go off of, while the back sprites were made up on the spot. I'm positive that at least the trainer graphics are digitized drawings which have been lost, only remnants of them surviving in Pokémon Stadium.
back sprites in Red and Blue are copied from Red and Green. Only the front sprites got changed, that's why so many look nothing alike.
It looks like a duck built from duplo. According to the back sprite. In my opinion.
I love how Porygon gains more value because of it's lack of value, not only do you not really care if your *porygon* gets exploded on but its the perfect pokemon to potentially eat devastating one-per-battle statuses.
that's not actually an upside though, since you could have been using an actually good pokemon that could have gotten boomed or frozen instead. it's not like the rest of your team becomes stronger because you use porygon
@@herrabanani Ok but what sounds funnier, trading a Snorlax for a Snorlax, or trading a Snorlax for a bloody Porygon.
Kind of like Plasmanta in CAP. Its concept was "mons that are best off dead."
@@herrabanani it is still an upside because it’s snorlax you are hoping to make explode, One of the big 3 and on every team. Unless you are totally insane and took Snorlax/Tauros/Chancy off your team to put Porygon on it, The better Pokémon you could be using (one of the psychics, Rhydon, Zapados etc.) still would have been worse than Snorlax, and if that Pokémon could force a trade with Lax like Porygon sometimes can, it would do it (like you are trading your rook for their Queen). I do agree that the fact u can switch it into debilitating one per game status conditions or other booms because it is often useless is not something that makes it good, more like it’s a fact about gen 1 games that makes having one gimmicky low tier on your otherwise strong team more viable. This is because even in the games/matchups where it doesn’t do anything it can be used as a dedicated status/boom sponge, which is much better than Porygon could do facing an amnesia or reflect Lax team if those mechanics weren’t in the game. Porygon is just as good at dying to a predicted explosion or being frozen or taking a thunderwave for your Tauros as any other Pokémon, so if you used it to fulfill that function in a matchup where it can’t do its thing, you didn’t lose too much from not running a better Pokémon. Also 32 pp of recover does make it pretty good at getting itself frozen vs. Chansey, though they can just twave you if they want the chance to freeze something else.
If I trade my pory for your snorlax, I still have a snorlax
When that scientist in the Pokémon movie said they succeeded at creating the ultimate life form they were clearly talking about the digital duck instead of mewtwo.
Never sleep on porygon z
Yeah Mewtwo doesn’t even have a niche in OU
Machamp: Who are you?
Porygon: I'm you but stronger and forced Big Yellow to create a Neckbeard Snorlax for a video.
Pfft not to mention it can spread twave
The first time I heard Porygon had a good matchup with Snorlax, I ran the calcs and thought to myself "I don't get it, Porygon does nothing to Lax, Lax hits him much harder in return, what am I missing here?"
I can't say I ever envisioned that Recover stall would turn out to be the thing I was missing.
5:14 even if it's not gonna kill unless Snorlax gets obscenely lucky again, for some reason this specific scene cutting directly after a crit is the funniest thing to me.
It's like
"aw yeah, check this out, we're walling Snorlax ALL D- cut the video *CUT THE VIDEO"*
Knowing Porygon has a niche in OU, I feel more confident in my chances for a niche at life
Right on brother
Why wouldn’t you keep making Pokémon vids?! Keep them coming!!!! Even start a second Pokémon-centric channel if needed, this got me into RBY tbh
This channel got me into old gens. I love it
What they said. Me and my friend play 7U pretty often
This channel got me into pokemon better than those so called poketuber doing fake ass face reaction on their thumbnail cough apedrive cough
Nah dude don't worry, your passion for RBY and ability to make everything funny and interesting means that it's very hard to get bored of your vids. And your editing is consistently clean and always improving. Also I've always loved the Porygon line, especially Z, but you can never use them in-game due to being a pain in the ass to obtain or just locked to the Post Game. And even then I can't evolve them into their perfect form. Seeing their viability in Competitive anywhere brings a smile to my face
Just change your (absolutely legally obtained) ROMs to have Porygon as a starter and also make it evolve via level-up. Universal randomizer is what you need. Have fun :)
The competitive utility of the Porygon family is just bizarre, fitting for their designs. I remember in Gen VII OU, when Z-moves were in play, Porygon-Z had a legitimate nieche with Z-Conversion, getting an omni-boost and becoming whatever type you need it to be, usually Ghost. It's unfortunately too predictable to be an OU staple, but that didn't stop it from hanging out with the cool kids in UUBL (yes, I consider them cool kids; I like them better than most of the OU bullies).
And then you have Porygon2, being the most annoying piece of shit in every generation it gets to participate in.
Wasnt too bad in Gen 8 VGC before restricteds. DMax Adaptability Hyper Beam could do some mad damage.
And I take issue with P2 being called the most anoying piece of shit in every generation, because that honor belongs to Dusclops.
I think eviolite Dusclops is just Porygon2 but more annoying tbh
@@juannaym8488 they're both up there. Will o wisp and pain split vs thunder wave, recover and eerie impulse. Both with trick room and ally switch. Pick your poison
@@MD-vs9ff Both suck, but P2 being so much more common (especially in gens like adv) make it the more annoying by far.
The Z Conversion Set made it also one of the top threats in VGC 2017 with the limited dex and Smeargle able to protect it
It's kind of incredible how just this wild confluence of factors allowed unassuming little Porygon to have a niche in high-level play. Like all the stars aligned for the little guy to have a favorable matchup against one of RGBY's biggest powerhouses against all expectations
I think my favorite thing in competitive games is “low tier that’s kit specifically counters a top tier” like cammy against dhalsim in super turbo or Tizoc against Kevin Rian in mark of the wolves. It adds a layer to competitive play that I don’t think you can replicate in any traditional competitive game.
That much is true. Porygon z nukes calryex shadow on the switch in and calryex cant ko it fast enough unless it has sash with shadow ball ( still porygon z)
Back when I played Let's go eevee competitive on hardware I actually used base porygon at a time for a similar reason, it had reliable recovery (something that was lacking in that game) and good set up moves, so it made a very decent physical wall with type coverage to hurt many threats
Like if I recall the set it was tri attack, recover, ice beam and barrier.
You'd be surprised how many seemingly random choices worked back in the day due to very specific niches that expanded.
Alolan dugtrio was a fantastic Zapdos check because it walled it and even though the zapdos player could switch out, you still hit things hard and you could theoretically beat a zapdos in a battle of switching because the zapdos takes 25% from Stealth rocks every time it switches in. (Reminder that alolan dugtrio got rocks) While you quad resist rocks yourself
>Lets go Competitive
How is even that like? Like considering how horrible the matching system was, i didn't even bother
@@rodrigofigueiredo8597 falseswipe gaming has a good video on the meta, I usually played the non candy meta (you'll see what I mean when I link you the video)
@@rodrigofigueiredo8597 ruclips.net/video/V5z8TglOkb0/видео.html
Laughed so hard in a restaurant at "struttin' and sluttin' with the bad bitches" that people looked at me funny. Love you, Big Yellow. 😆
In gen 2 OU, there's this really cool pokemon called shuckle that has the same sort of deal porygon has here where it's a really solid answer to snorlax but sucks vs everything else.
Isn't snorlax god there what the fuck did shuckle do?
@@RiderOfPeppersShuckle has absurd defenses and resists normal. It stalls snorlax with Toxic, Flash, Defense Curl, and Rest. Snorlax can't break past it thanks to defense curl, and it's forced to rest with toxic. Flash is there because Shuckle doesn't have anything else worth running that's better that has at least 32 PP, which is needed to stall out Snorlax. Defense Curl is used over Curse since it has 64 PP.
@@BestScytherSpriteexcuse me, FLASH?
what the hell is going on in gen 2 ou 😭
Big Yellow teaching me about some goofy shit in RBY is my lifeblood
I love when top-tier threats get countered by silly little guys in Pokemon, especially when the way they counter the big guys is just by being really fucking obnoxious. It makes it feel like the matchup is personal, like Porygon lost a bet with Snorlax once and then dedicated the rest of their life specifically to spiting them no matter the cost.
In conclusion: Every Porygon gangsta until the Snorlax forgets where its car keys are.
the fact that Porygon is also faster than lax prevents it from being in range of Body Slam followed by Hyper Beam cause it can recover before to stay out of range.
Man, If Porygon had Porygon 2’s stats. That mon would go crazy
I kinda like it the way it is. LC porygon is already very strong and even in nat dex ag
@@l4zybo1 I meant in like the context of RBY. as Porygon has everything it needs... other than the BST to back it up. if it had P2s stats it would legit by a meta force in gen 1.
Very nice! Maybe "Staraptor: Constantly Borderline", or "Tyranitar: Always OU"?
i think ttar dropped to uu in swsh at some point (crown tundra?), but it did get back in ou
Staraptor is OU isn BDSP, for what it's worth
@@v1rgilio
Ttar had one of the biggest glow ups ever in Gen 8
went from a mon that temporarily dropped to UU, to one of the scariest breakers in the entire OU meta.
What a 180
Albiet it was always good, but the general opinion on Tyranitar changed so drastically against it, and then in favor of it it's crazy.
the fall and continued fall of dewgong
@Neon that is true, but my point is that ttar did drop to uu at some point
Can we just talk about how perfect Big Yellow is?
Favorable traits include:
-Witty writing
-Hilarious editing
-Informative videos on fun niches
-Diverse content
-Entertaining livestreams
-Beautiful face
-Wide variety of skills in several games
-Majestic voice
-Probably has a massive pocket rocket
-Father/mother/NB parent of my waifu, Scrunguschu!
Unfavorable Traits:
-???
Don't forget his nice painted nails!
@@robertlupa8273 You made me look up Big Yellow Nails and I got a bunch of fungus videos…
@@JC-hi8fk :/
I'm sorry.
He was even banned in the anime despite Pikachu causing the mass hysteria!
You mentioned the 3HKO body slam and I was intrigued. But the instant you said normal type with recover I feel like my third eye opened
Understood. Will take Porygon on my first-ever gsc team in order to counter Snorlax. Honestly, how did no one think of this sooner?
Because porygon-2 just does it’s job better
I love seeing situations where something that everyone would write off has a niche application or an antimeta pick. I think it speaks to how metas evolve and why for instance things that are top tier don’t always stay top tier. I’m not saying Porygon is going to break the RBY meta wide open, but looking at some overall recent changes to a game I’ve been interested in since I was like six is absolutely fascinating.
Best of luck in the Melee tournament! May your victories be swift and decisive and your losses non-existent!
Awesome video! Plague von Karma also did a video on this topic recently and I love the attention that some of the more interesting parts of RBY have been getting recently, including Porygon’s slight but legitimate OU niche. Love ya
“Offensive presents.”
A pun after my own heart. XU
What a nice, quick analysis! I’ve been following your content for a while now, and it’s wonderful to see how much you’ve grown.
I've heard about Porygon in OU before, but never knew why. That's pretty neat, and seems like a prime example of the flaws of a concrete and/or numerical tier list system
What's the flaw?
@@Tvboy777 kinda hard to put into words, but basically the fact that it's hard to really account for niches and matchups/counterpicks in tierlists. Porygon itself really isn't a "powerful" Pokemon like a glance at the viability rankings might imply, but its ability to counter Snorlax still lets it get in the viability rankings. It's like how with Golem was (or still is, I can't remember) prominent in OU, but fell out of favor to the point of dropping to UU. It didn't have any real niche in UU, and even got dropped to NU
I'm not really good at explaining shit, so I hope I made at least some sense
Imagine seeing Golem and Porygon next to each other on the viability rankings a decade ago.
Would love to see a video that covers all of the weird jank RBY has, stuff like the 256 miss, weird paralysis interactions after stat changes and weird substitute interactions
And the fact that showdown patched Psy wave and counter in gen 1 to fix them to stop desyncs.
That'd take a series, not a video.
The one in 1/256 glitch is due to how the gen 1 Gb games check accuracy every move has 1/256 less accuracy than it is supposed to.
@@cyanideytcuriousseadoggo is there any proof that gen 1 miss is even a glitch? because it seems like people just dont like it and therefore assume its a glitch. i dont think its that unreasonable for every move except swift [which is supposed to always hit] to have a small chance of missing, when you consider the fact that red and blue were not intended to have multiplayer and it was tacked on at the end of development. just seems like a [bad] design choice to me
Fun fact: It is literally Impossible to beat Gen 1 without encountering any glitches.
As per usual, the thumbnail and Pokémon nicknames are top tier. Especially Jynx being '"Stop"
Big yellow be like
Just pick a top tier
I absolutely love all the visual edits and gags in this video, especially the "offensive presence" one, that one was amazing. Have fun at your melee tournament!
Porygon is a great example of how type and move pool are just as impactful as stats.
5:11 hands down the funniest bit
I just realized why Porygon is so bad: it’s a joke about how the creators were ostracized for making a gameboy game in the age of 3D graphics, so in frustration the creators made Porygon (which in Japanese is pronounced identically to polygon) as a 3D Pokemon in a 2D game. And they hated polygonal games so “Porygons suck”
That's honestly insanely cool if that's what they were going for
@@BigYellowSilly ruclips.net/video/zOkpD6uqsxI/видео.html It’s in this video!
I once used a Porygon in a doubles battle in FRLG. Using Conversion 2, it transformed into the Steel type and held off three other Pokemon by itself until it finally succumbed to the fourth. It has remained a low key favorite of mine ever since.
I might be in the minority but man I actually watch both your fighting game videos and your Pokemon videos as I have a passion for both. Whatever video you make I'm always excited to watch. Whether it be dissecting a street fighter third strike character or talking about the most op Pokemon type I'm always looking forward to watching them.
This is why I love hearing about competitive Pokemon even though I don't really play it myself. I just really love the random stuff like the Body Slam glitch and how it shook up the meta.
I don't know what it is; I just find things like that fascinating. The fact that you've got this pretty well developed meta being played on emulators for years...and then one day someone's like "oh, shit...hold up. RBY is even more glitchy than we thought..." and that just changed so much. Made Porygon have a niche, destroyed Golem's viability...other things I'm not thinking of just now...I just love it.
I also love things like the way Flareon got shafted by being a Pokemon with a massive attack stat but only special STAB.
I call my Dragonite "Chance the Wrapper"
They are OU viable because they are funny and everyone loves them and doesn't want to hurt them.
I used Porygon in a Leaf Green playthrough recently and it wasn't bad thanks to its good special movepool, not exactly Gen 1 but you know
Ok, these videos finally got me to try Showdown and now I'm addicted to Gen 1 Random battles. Still too nervous to try OU but I'm having a blast.
Seeing the text on the thumbnail for this video sent it into a Schrodinger space for me: either it was dramatic, perhaps from the perspective of an onlooker witnessing an unassuming Porygon commit this terrifying feat, and whispering in disbelief, "...It's decent?", or incredibly comedic by undercutting every other element on the image with a flat, entirely meh, "It's decent." The lack of a shoutpole is, I think, a key part of what sold the two simultaneously.
Excellent work; no notes.
(And hey, good luck at Melee Thing!)
as much as i love the pokemon videos i just wanna say i 100% understand and respect that accidentally becoming a pokemon youtuber is not a great long term strategy for someone like you who wants to also make videos about things other than pokemon 💞 love yr work thanks for the great content, pokemon or otherwise. btw idk if you're already considering this but i think it'd be cool to see a recap of the melee tournament. highlights with commentary maybe?
I love your videos so much! fantastic information, expertly timed humor, and pretty nails really make for an excellent comfort content to gravitate towards. Good luck at the tournament!
7:50 correction - the chance of not getting paralyzed in 24 Body Slams is 0.019%, not 0.0019%.
Also, just for fun, the chance of avoiding para in the same scenario but *accounting for* the 1/256 miss chance is 0,0199%, as opposed to 0,0192% when ignoring misses. It's honestly even more insignificant than what I expected; then again, idk what I was thinking lol
Ty for the clarification my math is crazy bad lmao
Pretty cringe tbh man
I have no clue about anything “competitive Pokémon” but I’m happy to be here to see it
Body slam paralysis immunity is another thing I love about gen 1, imagine how much easier scald would be to deal with if water types were immune to its burn, or poison types were immune to dire claw sleep
Never played RBY competitive in my life but you convinced me to start with Porygon as a staple on my team
Let’s get this bread
I love your little jokes with these Pokemon please keep doing them they're amazing
5:10 I can't stop rewatching this bit, go little Porygon, stall the fuck outta that Snorlax.
You are one of my new favorite youtubers, love the video essay format to eat my nuggies to. BIG FAN!
'pretty quick video'
15 minutes
Love this guy lmao
This honestly might be one of favourite channels right now, idk if it’s the format or the content itself but I love it, it’s just so addicting man. Love pokemon so it’s so fun learning obscure stuff about these older metagames that I wouldn’t ever know otherwise. Keep it up ✨
Your commentary on anything related to RBY tiers are all amazing, well put and concise. I love it! As a fellow trainer that played a lot the meta, I can say for sure that everything you say is relevant! Thanks for that! :D
Edit: About what you said that novices must NOT use Porygon: that's because they need to understand what every single big threat in OU does, how to counter them and how to build a team. After that, they need to learn as much as they can about the meta. Only then, they can adventure with Lapras, Golem, Porygon, Persian, Victreebel.
Your passion for RBY is great. As someone who never cared for it, your videos actually made me like it! Also, your hair is always a serve, cute.
I got crit by a Snorlax twice in a row today and immediately thought of this video.
RBY Competitive has been I could just listen to for hours recently, please keep it up if want to its really enjoyable.
I have a newfound respect for this weird duck, the fact you're rolling the dice on the opponent's Snorlax set can only be a positive for me because I have a serious gambling problem. All the best for Fête 2!
I came here for the fighting games but now I can't stop watching pokemon content pls send help
In all seriousness, your vids are what got me into pokemon and I can't be more grateful for that. Also, your edits have significantly improved. Just astounding work, Yellow. Keep it up, champ!
Porygon? More like PorySTAYS on every team in ou LFG!!
I can really see a improvment in the comedy and editing-y stuff! Great video and good luck with fete!
You're legitimately my sleepy sounds btw, every night, just falling asleep to the same explanations about RBY OU
Gotta be honest, I've never thought that I'd like this channel this much, kerp up the good work!
coolest porygon thumbnail ever
I found out about RBY Porygon a little while back because seeing it on the OU viability rankings blew my mind. It's amazing what a a bit of extra PP can do.
Have fun at Fete, and good luck!
I haven't played pokemon competitively consistently since gen 4, but your videos on the different metas are genuinely some of my favorite pokemon content lmao. Thanks for the hard work!
I asked you about Porygon on your stream yesterday, perhaps I should've just waited a day for this video to drop lol
Hey! Just a random viewer here who's very interested in your Pokemon videos about early metagames. Your videos on Glitchmons and Learnsets probably being the most fun for me- mostly because they're very hypothetical ideas that are interesting to think about.
Something similar to that which I would love to see you tackle is maybe a video on a hypothetical review of how the scrapped/reworked pokemon from the Spaceworld 1997 demo of Gold and Silver would be like in a competitive setting.
I'm asking that you at least look into the idea because it's probably the last thing people think about when it comes to that demo, especially because I couldn't find any easily accessible documentation on any of the pokemon's learnsets. I think looking at every cut fully evolved 'mon from the GS beta would be sick as fuck.
"I need to make this video short so I can grind melee"
THAT'S RIGHT CHAMP
Wow! This is the first video that I see from you and it's great! Thanks, this is very interesting! It's cool finding more videos like this one! New sub :D (Also your nails are really pretty)
Big Yellow talking about my favorite mon?? I thought the day would never come, and expected a small mention on RBY OU/UU talks, but you came in with the redemption arc
A fucking gamestop trade, I'm dead AF right now dude.
omg, love love love watching these and learning abt competitive rby even tho i dont play, good luck at the melee tournament!!!!!
The "Nothing personnel kid" Porygon in the thumbnail, neckbeard Snorlax. I am thoroughly tickled pink.
3:00 math is cool here we see chansey with 100% pick rate so logically it has to have a 50% winrate since every game has a winner and loser
Nails looking fabulous as always. Similarly "as always", thanks for the video
I also wouldn't mind at all if you made more Pokemon content! I know fighting games are your main thing but I really love the RBY competitive stuff especially. All Pokémon content is awesome but particularly gen 1 interests me a ton. Ive played the games a bunch of times as a kid and even once I got back into the game as a young adult. The gen 3 remakes are my preferred way to play, but ive never played competitive gen 1 and you have me interested enough to explore it.
Thanks for the content as always. Looking forward to more obscure early gen competitive facts in the future
Sup big yellow!! Hope you’re having an awesome day
As someone who's never gone back and played the original Gen 1 Pokémon games, I can't stress enough how surreal it is to hear the phrase "Gengar's damage output is much lower than Tauros," around the 9:22 mark of this video.
Like damn, that really goes to illustrate just how far Tauros's fall from grace was; it went from being a stronger sweeper than Gengar to a complete nothing of a Pokémon that you'd barely ever choose for even casual playthroughs of the games from Gen 4 onwards.
Let's hope it gets some love in Scarlet and Violet with an evolution/regional form like people have been speculating since that last trailer.
Porygon is unbelievably based
Thanks Yellow, I was just thinking about your face.
I hope we get more Pokemon and Smash.
More Pokémon content please!! Learning weird/interesting shit about competitive Pokémon is my favorite addiction ( despite having no interest in actually playing )
idk where you suddenly came for but for the past 2 months ive been binging your vids, you got me back into competitive pokemon (and also into smash again) really appreciate it, have been relapsing into my depression and new intrests really help me get my mind out of things. the way you make your videos keep me watching, the funny thumbnails makes me laugh, and your way of talking about it is so great. keep it going man, love it!
Love the pokemon stuff, I don't follow fighting games and this is how I found your channel!
I'm slowly falling in love with Normal type pokemon and Porygon is no exception
I came back to this video because the new thumbnail is freaking amazing
I’d love if you did an analysis for other
Gen 1 OU niche mons. This video was great! Keep it up pls!
Kinda reminds me of Quagsire (On teams which aren't full Stall), but also reminds me of what alot of Porygon2 sets became.
I still remember managing to fully max out a Porygon2's HP and Defense back in Gen6 and being able to stall out Mega Lopunny of all pokemon. Their High Jump Kick just somehow didn't do enough damage to even get in 2HKO range. Then again this was Wifi Battles. I'm sure if it was Showdown there would be some issues.
What's even funnier is that Porygon somehow does this AGAIN in Ubers!
Still not amazing at the job, but the fact that it can even stand up to Mew at all is impressive
I dont know anything about pokemon but this was very entertaining yellow
Watching these videos about comp Pokémon actually got me into gen one comp, and it’s a lot of fun! Thanks!
Good Luck BigYellow! I believe in you! :D Have Fun