@@queenofrodents All useable attacking moves _except_ for Dragon Rage, as Dragon was considered Special And the best part is when the divine comedy that is Gen1 kicks in because Dragon Rage, the one single Dragon move in the entire generation, does fixed damage, so neither stats nor typing even matter Side note, I do love how the Dragon-type in Gen1 is just the anti-Ice-type Whereas Ice is notorious for only really having its offensive prowess to justify its existence, as it has essentially nothing in terms of defensive capability, Gen1 Dragon is carried solely by its defensive traits because it has *literally* no actual offensive capabilities, at least in terms of actually interacting with the type chart
For some reason, when you said tiers below 7U were hypothetical, I imagined a group of scientists in a lab studying flasks and looking under microscopes to find a theoretical 8U.
10U isn't boring enough for me. I need an 11U with just Metapod so I can finally simulate that one gag from the anime where they just keep raising their defense with Harden.
@@Applecore99 Actually, missingno is likely too strong for 10u, as it's terrible base stats other than its attack are mostly in line with what's in the tier. 33 base HP and 0 defense leave it with a 9 or 10 hit KO from kakuna, a 8 hit ko from weedle, 6hko from caterpie(oh my), and 7hko from dragon rage. Now that all sounds worse than any other mon in the tier, but missingno's attacks are regularly a 2hko against every other mon in the tier. It also has rest so you can't poison it to death and since the strongest attack in the tier takes 7 hits to kill it, you'll never break past its rests. Even using harden, it has swords dance, so you just get outboosted. It would be absolutely unstoppable with Tri attack, swords dance, and rest, since at +2 it ohko's every single pokemon in the tier with tri attack. You could also run sky attack, so in case you put in your missingno against a metapod and it was boosting harden at the same time as you you could avoid having to waste three whole tri attack pp on it.
10U feels like what militant casuals think OU is. There's only six Pokemon, it all revolves around a couple of those, and your movesets are completely set in stone, so everyone is just moving all the same pieces around the same board wondering if maybe something different will happen this time. It feels like a parody of competitive Pokemon.
@@iluvchess14736 And let's not forgot about PU, which is just supposed to be that, cause it's like "peeyew, you stink", but because of that it also completely breaks the usual naming convention of "x Used", which was then made even worse when ZU then became a thing So now it's OverUsed, UnderUsed, RarelyUsed, NeverUsed, PU, and ZeroUsed Just kinda weirdly sticks out, it's always irrationally bugged me And yet funny enough Pokemon Perfect's whole #U system is simultaneously better and worse Like simply describing the tiers with numbers should in theory curb casual confusion, especially when it comes to lower tier 'mons having niches in higher tiers, but then it raises several more questions as to what the "U" even means
I don't even play pokemon anymore since like 7 years ago, but i just find interesting and entertainment, to watch the complexity of some competitive games mechanics for fun
My favorite Pokémon is Dunsparce, who is pretty consistently unviable even in pu. BUT because of Dudunsparce being added in Scarlet and Violet, he was able to take advantage of evolite. Evolite Dunsparce was then swiftly banned from little cup. Every Pokémon has there time in the spotlight edventually.
Girafarig eventually found the same fate, but for a couple glorious months it was allowed to roam free in SV LC. This, despite having a BST 70 points higher than Mudbray, the next highest in the tier, and about six squillion viable sets.
the idea of 8u and 9u is something i would unironically play since it reminds me of the fun early game pokemon where you are just using whatever you can get
8:58 "There are sort of tiers below 7U. They are mostly hypothetical, but they sort of kind of exist." This straight up sounds like quantum physics. Like there's scientists out there firing up the particle accelerator to look for evidence of Squirtle's viability.
"The heisenberg uncertainty principle states that we can not know both whether cubone is meta and which tier it is meta in, because observing one witll collapse the superposition of the other."
Can't wait for your RBY 11U video where you detail the best strategies of aggressively bumping your player characters' sprites into each other from within the link cable battling room.
If I had a nickel for each person that watched guga foods and then commented about it on a big yellow vid I’d have two nickels, which isn’t much but it’s weird that it’s happened twice.
Yeah. A pokemon being low-tier doesn't mean "it's bad and you're a fool for liking it," but rather, "this pokemon isn't at the same level of power, consistency, etc. as the metagame staples." Even if you really like, say, Hydreigon, and are upset about it falling off after gen 5, it still has a tier to call home in UU.
@@emmetstanevich2121 I should also add that there is nothing stopping you from using a lower tiered pokemon in a higher tier so if you see a niche that said low tier pokemon fulfills in higher tier don't be afraid to bring it.
@@vyor8837 From the damage calculator: +1 240+ SpA Blaze Charizard Blast Burn vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blissey in Sun: 612-720 (94 - 110.5%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO If the Blissey has SpDef investment (which the standard ADV OU Blissey set does not, preferring to have Def and SpAtk investment for more flexibility), Blast Burn maxes out at 83.4% even with the Cinderella setup that Big Yellow put together for the clip featuring Petaya Berry, Blaze, Sun, and using Blast Burn instead of Fire Blast for extra oomph. It's a suboptimal Zard set and the Zard was definitely gone next turn because of the recharge turn since you can't even switch when recharging but it's a cool stunt to pull off for a silly internet video
Zard either sets Sunny Day itself or has a Heat Rock ally do so before it comes out, uses Substitute to reach 25% HP and trip Petaya + Blaze, and fires off a nuclear 150 BP move at Blissey's OU Utility set (the first listing on calculator), and abaolutely fries her. It is wholly possible, even if it leaves Zard vulnerable to revenge KOs. The calc: +1 240+ SpA 30 IVs Blaze Charizard Blast Burn vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blissey in Sun: 610-718 (93.7 - 110.2%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
2:37 I have my own Kingler story. I was playing crystal, decided to use a super rod in the ocean for the first time. It hit with guillotine and I freaked out and tried to catch it. Once I got it, I tried unleashing guillotine on my enemies. It was only then did I realise that it never hits. Kingler went into a box and never came out again. Kingler is that one Pokemon you never think about that one day shows up, does one amazing thing and then just leaves. This is what Gamefreak was trying to do with their game; make Pokemon that express their personality through the mechanics. Kingler is the sass Pokemon.
In the context of in-game, I always avoid evolving Caterpie until L9 because its rounded damage with Tackle is better than Metapod's. I need a life tbh
I really like the intro about how "there is probably a meta game where your fave is usable", its kind of like why we have weight categories in strength based sports and different leagues in team based ones; it allows everyone to have a good time and with so many Pokemon now every tier has a solid roster. There is some attitude that its "OU or go home" like it is the most important one however.
hilarious how a Pokémon who looks so menacing with its emotionless eyes and three ginormous stingers can’t handle cute single stage Pokémon that are some of the weakest in its region
What I'm exicted about is a metagame where squakabilly being a late-game cleaner is scary and not just a joke. I love using this stupid bird in lower tiers, because it gives me the big numbers of zacian without being zacian.
When you brought up Ditto's other niche, I instantly thought "It's Uber, isn't it." I haven't seen the video you mentioned (yet), but my thought process is "What is the one thing worse than one Mewtwo? Two Mewtwos!"
So I only know about 10U because of a RUclipsr who saw your video on 7U and made a video asking "how low do we have to go to make Metapod viable?" He ultimately ended up shoving a bunch of 9U Pokémon into 8U so 10U could be 9U for themeing regarding the Ninth circle of Hell, but otherwise his 9U team is identical to what 10U is. The fact that the goal he chose was literally "Make the worst Pokémon viable" and got *this* I think it's hilarious.
Really appreciate the Reverend signal boost! You've done a phenomenal job with highlighting smaller channels with talking points relevant to the current video, absolutely massive respect
You will remember that 10u exists eventually if you want you will find gsc 9u or the equivelant of very close to rby10u where ledian is a menance to society
@2:30 I definitely agree. Competitive pokemon is what gave me the appreciation for what would eventually become my favorite 'mon ever - Bronzong. When I got into competitive in gen 4, he became an anchor for a lot of different team strategies I would try. Eventually the design just sort of grew on me over time as I used it more and more and now I love it. He's just a big fucking bell, and he's here to fuck shit up with gyro ball, maybe put some screens or rocks down, maybe explode, who knows?! It's great.
I used to not think much of Tentacruel when I played as a kid, hell I probably disliked them as being like the Golbat of the ocean for how commom they were and the poison status being annoying. However in competitive I love Tentacruel. Gen 5 weather wars made Tentacruel such an amazing tanky threat but it's also able to go on the offensive despite it's more bulky stats and I kinda dig it.
@@caldw615 Tentacruel is based, but gen 5 really did a lot for him with the introduction of Scald and DrizzleToed. My boy got a glow up for sure. I also fucking LOVE the bats. The whole line is great, and Crobat can actually be a huge pain in the ass with the right set up. It's got a great speed stat and can actually chip hard with super fang. Part of the charm of both these mons, imo, is how they're so common, but can be fierce when you train and breed them right. It's nice to start up a new gen and know you have a few staple mons you know well and will get access to fairly easily, even if just for going through the story with.
Great point about competitive making you appreciate weird pokemon you never thought about, my opinion on dugtrio went from “they're a bunch of silly guys” to being in my top 10 Pokemon list after using it a bit
Slowbro became one of my favorite Pokémon after using her in SwSh OU, and I gained an even greater reverence for Quagsire after doing some trolling in Advance Ubers
You make some really interesting points at the end there, but I'm going to go with your original answer just because it's really funny that the worst Pokémon in the game is called Metapod.
Funny story about Luvdisc, I had a kickass VGC team with it. Turn one it would use Entrainment to give Swift Swim to a Rain Dance Goodra. Then Goodra would just go off, with Luvdisc supporting through Safeguard, Heal Pulse, and chip damage with Surf when able. The team actually did great, sweeping pretty consistently! I love that little bastard even if it's objectively bad!
Yes. It's objectively bad because there are numerous better ways of doing the same things, and most of those better ways can also do something else. With that said, It's nice to hear that Luvdisc did something outside of DNU or ZU or any other absurdly low tier.
Oh, yeah, Luvdisc was easily the least effective way I could have done that lmao. Also I think I ran Scald for the burn rather than Surf, I remember running max speed/HP and sash on it.
Sidebar compared to the overall video topic, but I think the comment you make early on about enjoying Pokémon specifically because of competitive experience is super important. I’ve seen people from personal friends to some of the biggest Poketubers who focus on ingame call Heatran “the least interesting legendary” and “shouldn’t even be a legendary Pokémon” and “is just weird” and meanwhile everyone who has ever played a tier with Heatran absolutely adores the thing. Playing competitive doesn’t mean you don’t like Pokémon.
No the real least interesting legendary is Virizion. What an LMAO of a Pokemon. Easily the worst Grass/Fighting, except for _maybe_ Hisuian Decidueye, who will still have access to Scrappy Triple Arrows. They turned it into a robot, and that guy's an LMAO too
The editing of these videos is becoming A+ tier. Tenouttaten. Caterpie vs Weedle is the top tier matchup everyone didn't know they wanted until it played out. Then everyone realized that no, they didn't actually want it.
I must say, this is the greatest thumbnail ever conceived. This is the _only_ time I've actually used data to click on a new upload while at work, as a testament to its clickable-ness.
2:35 True, my appreciation for Salazzle and Tsareena is entirely because I tried my damnedest to make them work in OU... and I even succeeded in that, too!
@@WolfBergMenace Unfortunately the OU where I made them work wasn't where I initially tried them. They're awful in gen 7 OU, but really good in Gen 8 and 9
Salazzle isn't really that bad. Not an OU staple, but it has interesting qualities. Corrosion gives it an opportunity to use toxic with it rarely backfiring. Toxic+Protect+Sub Salazzle is cheesy, but I've seen Nasty Plot+Belch+Salac Berry do some work. Tsareena was also pretty good, at least in gen8 OU. Power Whip+HJK+Triple Axel was good coverage, dealing with some OU threats. The last slot could be Rapid Spin with HDB for utility, Synthesis could also be useful with a life orb set, or U-Turn on a Scarf/Band set could be nasty. Sorry for writing a novel about Salazzle and Tsareena, I'm just passionate for using lower tier Pokémon. Heracross, Machamp, and Haxorus being my favorite to use over the years!
The wholesome rug pull that is the moral of the story being "actually wait, let's maybe just think less hierarchically and prioritize enjoying what something is and the community that gathers around it" somehow surprised me despite being extremely on brand. Made me smile :)
The entire beginning of the 10U section was so absurd I couldn't stop laughing. And not even a hearty laugh, just the kind of laugh you do when you laugh really hard but you're trying to control it so it sounds shrill and makes you cry easier.
I think this might be the best video for explaining how competitive pokemon can create metagames where any pokemon, even the most objectively weak ones, can be viable. Imagine telling any normal player, casual or competitive, that there is a metagame that revolves entirely around Weedle and Kakuna's poison stings, it may not be a fun metagame but that would be a cool fact to someone who is a fan of Weedle or Kakuna.
On the topic of a Pokemon being good somewhere, Wigglytuff is good in gen 1 NU, and great in gen 2 NU. I always liked Jigglypuff and Wigglytuff for being the pink fluffy, singing, bug eyed weirdos they are. Also, ADV OU Charizard made take back every mean thing I said to Charizard.
And while not a main game, the Wigglytuff line is super solid in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon gens 1 and 2 (Red/Blue, Time/Darkness/Sky, Rescue Team DX) because its ability got a glow up, stat caps are universal, and it can take advantage of the most broken mechanics in the games; *Type effectiveness works on different formulas, where STAB is equal in multiplier to type-effectiveness. Immunities don't exist and instead do 50% damage, so Wigglytuff just hits like a truck with every STAB Normal move. *Multi-hit moves are absolutely bonkers due to different damage formulas and improved accuracy. Wigglytuff naturally gets STAB Doubleslap, and also can take advantage of Defense Curl > Rollout (linking to do them both in 1 turn). *In Red/Blue and RTDX, gender doesn't exist for anyone but the player, and Attract status hits literally everything. Wigglytuff's defense is good enough to let it tank hits and Cute Charm to make any adjacent foe useless half the time. It's not the absolute game-breaker that some Pokemon are (it lacks a STAB room-clearer and doesn't have a second ability, nor can it walk over any hazard terrain without an item/skill) but it's super strong and is genuinely worth taking. Extra points for RTDX letting it have a passive that basically gives it Skill Link and perfect accuracy on multi-hits.
That thing about competitive making you appreciate pokemons hits hard cus that's exactly what happened to me with a ton of pokemon like Gliscor and Stakataka Also love seeing you and Reverend shout each other out so much you 2 are some of my fave content creators ever
I’m genuinely so fascinated by th idea of weird , hypothetical tiers that would make no sense to actually play . It reminds me of super fucked up experimental danger music that doesn’t really register as music anymore . I could listen to discussion of it all fuckin day despite how miserable 10U would be to actually play .
I think that people don't always get the underlying assumptions of competitive discussion when talking about playing favorites... like, you /can/ play as competitively bad Pokemon as you want. It's just important to understand that meta mons are meta because they "objectively" (fuzzy word in this case but) are the ones that are more likely to win. So if your goal is to compete, then yeah it's usually correct to say you should play the meta mons. But it's also totally internally consistent to be like "I am playing this mon entirely because I like it, I know it's not actually good and loses me % points"! I think a whole lot of the debate comes from people who don't quite get that, either people who can't comprehend why someone would make a choice that wasn't based around maximizing %, or people who want to believe their favorite pokemon is competitively really good even though it honestly isn't (like if someone says "charizard isnt very good" and people try to disprove them). This applies even if there really isn't a metagame where a mon is any good, like, I'm actually the kind of guy who always was rooting for... yep... Luvdisc lol. There's just not a format Luvdisc is good in and I don't even think it'd be good in any Little Cups. Same thing for like, Unown. But I still have the ability to play them on a team that's otherwise good just "for the meme" of it or whatever, and I think more people should be confident about the ability to simply go "I play it for no competitive reason I just think it's funny". It's pretty liberating!
There is a custom format in pokemon showdown called DNU which contains pokemon with BST under 250 with the exception of luvdisc and unknown also being in there. And they are really viable.
Really, the people who judge Charizard for its shitty competitive performance are mostly judging the people who insist that Charizard is really strong and really underrated, more often than not using it in tiers it has no place in.
Quagsire is my favorite pokemon after getting into competitive because it somehow always had a use in every tier in Gen 6 to the point of becoming OU since it was used so much.
It actually didn't become ou, at least in the end. It's a fairly unique story. It wasn't high tier at all originally, but stall rose to prominence in UU. It became meta warping and extremely unhealthy. Tournament matches devolved into literal pp stall wars between two stall teams. The council decided something needed to be done, and quagsire was the one chosen to be banned because it was only really used on hard stall and thus wouldn't hurt other playstyles and would make the tier healthier. That's what led to it becoming UUBL.
I'm glad my two favourite pokemon Gengar and Porygon are both somehow in the meta at the same for somewhat stupid reasons now i need to know where Shuckle is good
@@eumorpha876 Can be decent in DP UU since under Sand, not much can get past it. Problem is, it's really passive and Seismic Toss from Chansey or Registeel flat out ignores its bulk.
Clicked because of the thumbnail. I didn't read the title. I hope I get to see Caterpie and Metapod passionately lock lips over the course of this video.
You can actually complete RBY with magikarp, specifically with the special event magikarp you talked about in this video. It does require item usage, but Scott's thoughts did a video on a solo challenge with the university magikarp and made it through the entire game.
I liked your little comment on competitive Pokémon exposing you to potential new favourites that you hadn’t really thought about before (Kingler in your case). For me, that was Starmie. Before competitive, I always ignored it as a weirdo, but after starting competitive and learning that Starmie was consistently amazing for so many gens in a row shot it up to being one of my favourites.
I'd say cumulatively, this at least says to me that the Weedle line is the weakest line of pokemon in RBY. Beedrill sucks so bad it's beaten in 7U, and it's a hypothetical 8U at best. Beedrill's pre evolutions are only meta defining in 10U due to no other status existing, if even a move with a 10% chance to inflict any other status existed in that tier, they'd be dogwater.
The only such large franchise I know where a major competitive scene is entirely community run. Some fighting games are a bit like that but not to this degree.
never thought i would see a thumbnail of caterpie and weedle making out on my youtube homepage but here we are. the year is starting off strong from a content angle
this was a super entertaining watch, and for the record i actually really like your lighting setup, it feels warm and cozy and "homely" if that makes sense? its not too dim even if it isnt very bright
I agree immensely with trying new mons in comp and getting new faves. I wouldn't like Piloswine, Stakataka, Boltund and Maractus as much as I do if it weren't for draft league lol
2:35 100% correct. I always liked Thundurus-Therian, but I never truly appreciated how obscenely strong it was until I put it on my gen 7 imprison landorus hyper offense team. It might be the single best pure stallbreaker in OU because not even *eviolite chansey* is safe. Do the calcs with +2 and +4 (because pex cannot stay in) and it's fucking insane.
On that note about competitive helping you appreciate some Pokémon more than you would otherwise: I remember having no real opinion on Snorlax for the longest time. Just some bulky bear that the devs liked putting on rivals’ teams. Then I learned about GSC’s Curse-Lax and Self Destruct Snorlax sets and thought “What if I merged the sets and brought them back in the modern day?” (SwSh at the time). I really liked running trick room teams in doubles at the time so it fit in perfectly as a lead along side Dusclops. Turn 1 was trick room and curse setup and turn 2 it would slam the opponent with a +1, life orb, helping hand, stab boosted 200 bp nuke. It was glorious to whiteness, especially against setup and Dynamax leads, with 9/10 teams completely crumpling afterwards. Also gave it GMax specifically so, in the event it couldn’t blow up, it would have strong raw stab damage with GMax Replenish that didn’t interfere with trick room + bulk boosting potential with Max Steel Spike. As much as I’m glad they let Snorlax sit out on SV, I’d be lying if I said I didn’t miss those shenanigans, it’s something terra normal Explosion Garganacl just can’t replicate to the same effect.
the thing that bothers me about the “competitive pokemon is too centralized!!” complaint is that you can just. go into a different tier? yeah, i also find exploiting weird niches and underutilized pokemon more interesting than following the highly standardized ou meta. that’s why i tend to play pu or zu instead.
I wouldn't describe 10U as a dead fish, per se. It's more analogous to scraping a rock's underside at the seafloor of Challenger's Deep and studying THAT ecosystem for a living. Absolutely marvelous video
Damn I've been thinking for a while now "if you kept banning stuff until only 6 pokemon remained, what would those be?" I wasn't thinking of any meta in particular but it's crazy that someone actually did it
The comment about a Pokemon becoming more lovable after compeitive is so real! I played a small Single Type Teams Only Gimmick Tournament and my Mono-Dark team made me adore Drapion so much
10U looks like it would be great to play as part of a drinking game: -Every time there's a mirror match, drink -Every time you poison something, drink -Every time you get a crit, drink -(bonus) if you use Splash your opponent has to drink Something like that
the theory of growing attached to a pokemon simple because you randomly tried using it happened to me recently. Participated in a Gen 9 Nat Dex draft league recently and towards the end of my draft i was really scared of certain mons. I saw Bronzong and thought "this looks pretty good to cover some of those niche MUs i'm afraid of". I never thought i'd bring it to every single fckn game i played cuz it just does everything it's so fckn sick.
I’m part of a Showdown offshoot that hosts a 10U ladder and unironically, we’ve discovered that Ditto is absolutely the worst mon in the tier. The opponent literally switches into Caterpie and you get basically no value from the Transform. Magikarp also happens to be actually insane (with Dragon Rage), and is up there with Weedle and Kakuna as the best mons in the tier.
I love your point about growing to appreciate Pokemon because of competitive! I had always glanced over Porygon2 as just "Porygon but not low-poly so who cares?" Giving it due attention because of how good eviolite Porygon2 is, I also realized that yeah, I do genuinely find it to be the cutest of its evo line, and there's something cheeky about how the last stable build of the Porygon line is the one that's hard as fuck to break defensively. I'd just never given it the brain space to come to that realization before.
As well as being a giant pain to break down, it's also arguably the single best trick room setter in the game due to its access to Teleport. I adore using it competitively and it's definitely given me a fondness for a pokemon I didn't really think about much until I used it in that context
Huge agreement when it comes to forming personal connections with Pokémon through competitive. Chatot became my favorite Pokémon of all time through me using him in Gen 6 (hehehehe Boomburst go burr). And that was a pokemon I never even thought about before
The fact that you can play so many tiers where so many different pokemon can be threats and have nieche is actually my favorite part about competitive pokemon. God why did I drop out of rby ZU?
Hmm, a video about the lowest tiering possible for RBY mons and how you define the worst of the worst, so weird but how cool weve narrowed it down so much! With the bonus in how Big Yellow's fashion keeps getting cuter and cuter! Can't wait for the next video
only semi-related to the video as a whole but the opening bit is a really great point: i definitely got the wrong idea about competitive pokemon where all i've really seen of it is newest gen ubers/OU discourse and now i know that in older games (and newer ones once the meta settles i guess?) i can find a tier where i can play my baby boy baby and it's all good! granted if your two favorites are like. slowbro and arbok. maybe you'll have to flip a coin to see who gets to play RBY that day but still, as a kingler appreciator i'm glad it can work SOMEWHERE
Everyone seems to be talking about a Pokémon they grew to love in competitive Pokémon, and for me, that’s Cloyster. It’s such a beast in early gens, and even now, shell smash is such a fun tool. My favorite Ice type, and I don’t think I’ve ever used it in an in-game team.
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"Ditto's Struggle is the strongest attack in 10U."
What a sentence.
Followed up with "87% chance to 4HKO Weedle". One-two punch.
As long as it doesn’t glitch like Pikasprey’s Struggle did
@@glitchedoomone-two-three-four punch
That stuff has ruined the 10U meta. It needs to be addressed with a clause.
i especially like how the Special stat as a whole is completely unused in 10U because all attacks are physical lmao
@KryptKing it's all attacks in the tier not in the game
@Breloom02tl;dr in gens 1-3 an attack would use phys/special depending on the type, and in 10U all useable attacks have physical typings
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All useable attacking moves _except_ for Dragon Rage, as Dragon was considered Special
And the best part is when the divine comedy that is Gen1 kicks in because Dragon Rage, the one single Dragon move in the entire generation, does fixed damage, so neither stats nor typing even matter
Side note, I do love how the Dragon-type in Gen1 is just the anti-Ice-type
Whereas Ice is notorious for only really having its offensive prowess to justify its existence, as it has essentially nothing in terms of defensive capability, Gen1 Dragon is carried solely by its defensive traits because it has *literally* no actual offensive capabilities, at least in terms of actually interacting with the type chart
“With Magikarp, I really do think you need to try your best to just save your Dragon Rages for Kakuna”
None of these words are in the Bible
Actually there’s something like that in the King James Version IIRC, just with Paras and a fearsome Gust
the bible says that dragons are/were real
Dragons only went extinct because they’re effective against themselves.
I’m pretty sure every single one of those words are in The Necronomicon.
Actually every single word there except kakuna and magikarp is in the Bible
it turns out the philosophical weight of the weakest RBY mon question was actually the friends we made along the way
For some reason, when you said tiers below 7U were hypothetical, I imagined a group of scientists in a lab studying flasks and looking under microscopes to find a theoretical 8U.
“We keep those beakers lower down in the cabinet, on an invisible shelf at the imaginary bottom.”
They're smashing magikarp and caterpie together at relativistic speeds and seeing if a lower tier comes into existence for a microsecond
8, 9, and 10U are the gen 1 equivalent of quarks, gluons, and string theory
@@EvilApple567 string shot theory
@@the_mothdegenerate973 magnetic monotype
10U isn't boring enough for me. I need an 11U with just Metapod so I can finally simulate that one gag from the anime where they just keep raising their defense with Harden.
11U would be pretty exciting actually because since you're totally out of Pokémon it's just a vaguely Pokémon themed fistfight
@@BigYellowSilly it’s just the trainers throwing poke balls at each other
Heavy ball is a tier
Missingno would probably be in 402933939U
@@Applecore99 Actually, missingno is likely too strong for 10u, as it's terrible base stats other than its attack are mostly in line with what's in the tier. 33 base HP and 0 defense leave it with a 9 or 10 hit KO from kakuna, a 8 hit ko from weedle, 6hko from caterpie(oh my), and 7hko from dragon rage. Now that all sounds worse than any other mon in the tier, but missingno's attacks are regularly a 2hko against every other mon in the tier. It also has rest so you can't poison it to death and since the strongest attack in the tier takes 7 hits to kill it, you'll never break past its rests. Even using harden, it has swords dance, so you just get outboosted. It would be absolutely unstoppable with Tri attack, swords dance, and rest, since at +2 it ohko's every single pokemon in the tier with tri attack. You could also run sky attack, so in case you put in your missingno against a metapod and it was boosting harden at the same time as you you could avoid having to waste three whole tri attack pp on it.
10U feels like what militant casuals think OU is. There's only six Pokemon, it all revolves around a couple of those, and your movesets are completely set in stone, so everyone is just moving all the same pieces around the same board wondering if maybe something different will happen this time. It feels like a parody of competitive Pokemon.
I'll admit, I initially thought the tiers of Pokemon meant likelihood of success in a fight with Uber and above being banned.
@@connordarvall8482 TBF the tiers do have weird names
You can be neverused in overused
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And let's not forgot about PU, which is just supposed to be that, cause it's like "peeyew, you stink", but because of that it also completely breaks the usual naming convention of "x Used", which was then made even worse when ZU then became a thing
So now it's OverUsed, UnderUsed, RarelyUsed, NeverUsed, PU, and ZeroUsed
Just kinda weirdly sticks out, it's always irrationally bugged me
And yet funny enough Pokemon Perfect's whole #U system is simultaneously better and worse
Like simply describing the tiers with numbers should in theory curb casual confusion, especially when it comes to lower tier 'mons having niches in higher tiers, but then it raises several more questions as to what the "U" even means
My man just described chess.
It is OU but better
Me, who will probably never touch RBY competitive: Interesting
This is literally 90% of viewers
I swear this is me with every competitive game
I definitely won't, and I know I'll watch this video at least twice
I don't even play pokemon anymore since like 7 years ago, but i just find interesting and entertainment, to watch the complexity of some competitive games mechanics for fun
@@WeirdMagnus 99%
My favorite Pokémon is Dunsparce, who is pretty consistently unviable even in pu.
BUT because of Dudunsparce being added in Scarlet and Violet, he was able to take advantage of evolite.
Evolite Dunsparce was then swiftly banned from little cup. Every Pokémon has there time in the spotlight edventually.
eviolite coil dunsparce is awesome in randbats too
Girafarig eventually found the same fate, but for a couple glorious months it was allowed to roam free in SV LC. This, despite having a BST 70 points higher than Mudbray, the next highest in the tier, and about six squillion viable sets.
The one good thing that happened because of the addition of Dudunsparce
@@hiimemily hey now! it used to be ponyta before ponyta got dexited :( ponyta's BST is 420!
@@frownyclowny6955actually. Dudunsparce is amazing
the idea of 8u and 9u is something i would unironically play since it reminds me of the fun early game pokemon where you are just using whatever you can get
Yeah that's really the charm of those tiers.
It's nice to see the thing I used when I was 8 to beat the first gym cook
8u sounds like a really good time with friends, so does 9u, might convince my pals to play it with me and see their reactions
Omg yes please. Id love to play it if theres a community for it out there
Sounds to me like 9U would just be Little Cup but everything is level 100 and not level 5.
I think "this pokemon is really good despite the poison type and really wishes it wasn't a poison type" is actually the most RBY thing
8:58 "There are sort of tiers below 7U. They are mostly hypothetical, but they sort of kind of exist."
This straight up sounds like quantum physics. Like there's scientists out there firing up the particle accelerator to look for evidence of Squirtle's viability.
This is the best comment I have seen in a long time. Take a bow
"The heisenberg uncertainty principle states that we can not know both whether cubone is meta and which tier it is meta in, because observing one witll collapse the superposition of the other."
@@murpl1462 cubone's wave function....
@@bigredradish Rotom's Third Law of Motion.
@@zdelrod829 What's a Rotom?
Can't wait for your RBY 11U video where you detail the best strategies of aggressively bumping your player characters' sprites into each other from within the link cable battling room.
Custom Sprite Clause be like (too many custom sprites with a weapon)
I mean at that point the "pokemon battle" might as well be two players smacking their gameboys together until one of them breaks.
12U is two people with masks of pokemon sprites spray eachother with water guns and flame throwers
I want to watch that.
@@aegisScale Original Gameboy S tier, GBA A tier, GBC B tier, GBA SP D tier.
Don't know how to feel about the phrase "Generation 1 PU has been marinating for a while now"
"I marinated Generation I for 27 years and this happened" - Guga foods, probably
@@joeltangjerd2828
Didn’t expect to see a Guga related comment on a Big Yellow video, well met
LET’S DOET
If I had a nickel for each person that watched guga foods and then commented about it on a big yellow vid I’d have two nickels, which isn’t much but it’s weird that it’s happened twice.
You just have to think of Smogon rankings as like weight classes in boxing and then it becomes cool
So, don't think of them as 'tiers' but as 'formats'
That's actually a great analogy
See, but Featherweight boxing is f****** lame.
ZU is not.
Yeah. A pokemon being low-tier doesn't mean "it's bad and you're a fool for liking it," but rather, "this pokemon isn't at the same level of power, consistency, etc. as the metagame staples." Even if you really like, say, Hydreigon, and are upset about it falling off after gen 5, it still has a tier to call home in UU.
@@emmetstanevich2121 I should also add that there is nothing stopping you from using a lower tiered pokemon in a higher tier so if you see a niche that said low tier pokemon fulfills in higher tier don't be afraid to bring it.
my favorite pokemon is substitute doll, it's nice to see the little one in so many teams in so many tiers since its debut ^_^
I'm pretty sure it's also a classic Super Mario Bros enemy. Really the most multitalented figure of our lifetimes
Always wanted a plush of it
I mean, this thing has statues in every gym for a reason.
@@sewerside01142 You can buy one at the Pokemon Center
That's just banette
That footage of Gen 3 Charizard OHKOing a Blissey with a special attack made me feel things I didn't know I could feel.
yeah, not sure how that was managed. Shouldn't be possible.
@@vyor8837 From the damage calculator:
+1 240+ SpA Blaze Charizard Blast Burn vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blissey in Sun: 612-720 (94 - 110.5%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
If the Blissey has SpDef investment (which the standard ADV OU Blissey set does not, preferring to have Def and SpAtk investment for more flexibility), Blast Burn maxes out at 83.4% even with the Cinderella setup that Big Yellow put together for the clip featuring Petaya Berry, Blaze, Sun, and using Blast Burn instead of Fire Blast for extra oomph.
It's a suboptimal Zard set and the Zard was definitely gone next turn because of the recharge turn since you can't even switch when recharging but it's a cool stunt to pull off for a silly internet video
@@vyor8837 +1 252+ SpA Blaze Charizard Blast Burn vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blissey in Sun: 617-727 (94.7 - 111.6%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
Zard either sets Sunny Day itself or has a Heat Rock ally do so before it comes out, uses Substitute to reach 25% HP and trip Petaya + Blaze, and fires off a nuclear 150 BP move at Blissey's OU Utility set (the first listing on calculator), and abaolutely fries her. It is wholly possible, even if it leaves Zard vulnerable to revenge KOs.
The calc:
+1 240+ SpA 30 IVs Blaze Charizard Blast Burn vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blissey in Sun: 610-718 (93.7 - 110.2%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
God i love the "play with favorites? my favorite is Lando t and yours is ledian" meme so much
2:37 I have my own Kingler story. I was playing crystal, decided to use a super rod in the ocean for the first time. It hit with guillotine and I freaked out and tried to catch it. Once I got it, I tried unleashing guillotine on my enemies. It was only then did I realise that it never hits. Kingler went into a box and never came out again. Kingler is that one Pokemon you never think about that one day shows up, does one amazing thing and then just leaves.
This is what Gamefreak was trying to do with their game; make Pokemon that express their personality through the mechanics. Kingler is the sass Pokemon.
In the context of in-game, I always avoid evolving Caterpie until L9 because its rounded damage with Tackle is better than Metapod's.
I need a life tbh
Something about strategically delaying Caterpie's evolution to minimise the time you're stuck with Metapod is really funny
Damn, i thought i was the only one doing that.
In the newer games pokemon gain more experience if they are past the level they evolve
The funniest bit is that this is still true in the newer games considering Caterpie gets Bug Bite if you don't evolve it into Metapod.
It's the Golem Girl(TM) 🫵
I really like the intro about how "there is probably a meta game where your fave is usable", its kind of like why we have weight categories in strength based sports and different leagues in team based ones; it allows everyone to have a good time and with so many Pokemon now every tier has a solid roster. There is some attitude that its "OU or go home" like it is the most important one however.
Shotouts to Beedrill being considered unviable in 7U nowadays
That’s awful oh man
Dude's so bad the fucking basic pokemon are whooping him.
Ooof
Beedrillbros...it's over...
hilarious how a Pokémon who looks so menacing with its emotionless eyes and three ginormous stingers can’t handle cute single stage Pokémon that are some of the weakest in its region
A tier I can’t wait for is gen 9 ZU. In gen 8, ZU was my favorite tier, since I could use pikachu as the ZU equivalent of deoxys-Attack.
So basically you got to feel how Ash feels.
Pu just dropped so we're almost there
THIS. Terastilization is more fun the lower you get in the tiering system, so i really cannot wait to cook up some tera normal luxray heat
I had lots of fun in gen 8 ZU with a sun team of all things. I don't know what i will be able to do in gen 9 ZU but i can't wait for it
What I'm exicted about is a metagame where squakabilly being a late-game cleaner is scary and not just a joke. I love using this stupid bird in lower tiers, because it gives me the big numbers of zacian without being zacian.
Maybe the real weakest pokemon was the ex-friend whose save file we corrupted with the psywave glitch along the way.
When you brought up Ditto's other niche, I instantly thought "It's Uber, isn't it."
I haven't seen the video you mentioned (yet), but my thought process is "What is the one thing worse than one Mewtwo? Two Mewtwos!"
Reverend made an RBY ubers video and its incredible. I beg you to watch it
you can make that three mewtwos since mew can also learn transform
@lilaniloxi Mew is good enough on it's own, doesn't need to ape it's child.
@@shiftfire4511more like its bastard twin than its child
So I only know about 10U because of a RUclipsr who saw your video on 7U and made a video asking "how low do we have to go to make Metapod viable?" He ultimately ended up shoving a bunch of 9U Pokémon into 8U so 10U could be 9U for themeing regarding the Ninth circle of Hell, but otherwise his 9U team is identical to what 10U is.
The fact that the goal he chose was literally "Make the worst Pokémon viable" and got *this* I think it's hilarious.
i saw this video too, it was really entertaining
Magcarjoe is underrated af
Really appreciate the Reverend signal boost! You've done a phenomenal job with highlighting smaller channels with talking points relevant to the current video, absolutely massive respect
Holy shit it’s the NASB guy!
Reverend has the most delightfully withering commentary I have ever heard
"Surely you like something that's good somewhere"
Jokes on you Big Yellow, my favourite pokemon is Ledian
You will remember that 10u exists eventually if you want you will find gsc 9u or the equivelant of very close to rby10u where ledian is a menance to society
So anyways huge power ledian from Pokémon unbound.
Go play gen 3 ZU. Bro's actually a good dual-screen setter there.
Watch out for Lileep though
ZU baton passer in gen 2?
not competitive but play inclement emerald for that. ledian is so back in that game
Everyone makes fun of Ditto until it pulls out that STAB Struggle and almost kinda accomplishes something.
@2:30 I definitely agree. Competitive pokemon is what gave me the appreciation for what would eventually become my favorite 'mon ever - Bronzong. When I got into competitive in gen 4, he became an anchor for a lot of different team strategies I would try. Eventually the design just sort of grew on me over time as I used it more and more and now I love it. He's just a big fucking bell, and he's here to fuck shit up with gyro ball, maybe put some screens or rocks down, maybe explode, who knows?! It's great.
I used to not think much of Tentacruel when I played as a kid, hell I probably disliked them as being like the Golbat of the ocean for how commom they were and the poison status being annoying. However in competitive I love Tentacruel. Gen 5 weather wars made Tentacruel such an amazing tanky threat but it's also able to go on the offensive despite it's more bulky stats and I kinda dig it.
@@caldw615 Tentacruel is based, but gen 5 really did a lot for him with the introduction of Scald and DrizzleToed. My boy got a glow up for sure. I also fucking LOVE the bats. The whole line is great, and Crobat can actually be a huge pain in the ass with the right set up. It's got a great speed stat and can actually chip hard with super fang. Part of the charm of both these mons, imo, is how they're so common, but can be fierce when you train and breed them right. It's nice to start up a new gen and know you have a few staple mons you know well and will get access to fairly easily, even if just for going through the story with.
Oh. It's a bell. Okay then.
Bronzong is my favourite too!! It makes me happy to see someone else that has Bronzong as their favourite :)
@@LuxSingsSongs Ding Dong, motherfuckers! 🤣
Great point about competitive making you appreciate weird pokemon you never thought about, my opinion on dugtrio went from “they're a bunch of silly guys” to being in my top 10 Pokemon list after using it a bit
Slowbro became one of my favorite Pokémon after using her in SwSh OU, and I gained an even greater reverence for Quagsire after doing some trolling in Advance Ubers
@@Diembee same here with slowbro, all tho I did like quagsire before using it
We've found him. The man who voted "no ban" on arena trap.
@@ioncavegrandma9256 oh no, I'm not that insane
@@ioncavegrandma9256 DPP OU got worse/more centralized after the Arena Trap ban and I will die on this hill
You make some really interesting points at the end there, but I'm going to go with your original answer just because it's really funny that the worst Pokémon in the game is called Metapod.
It's shaymay! Have a nice day.
Like the reverse of what happened to Metaknight in brawl.
Funny story about Luvdisc, I had a kickass VGC team with it. Turn one it would use Entrainment to give Swift Swim to a Rain Dance Goodra. Then Goodra would just go off, with Luvdisc supporting through Safeguard, Heal Pulse, and chip damage with Surf when able. The team actually did great, sweeping pretty consistently! I love that little bastard even if it's objectively bad!
Is Luvdisc objectively bad though, if you were able to use it successfully?
Yes. It's objectively bad because there are numerous better ways of doing the same things, and most of those better ways can also do something else.
With that said, It's nice to hear that Luvdisc did something outside of DNU or ZU or any other absurdly low tier.
Oh, yeah, Luvdisc was easily the least effective way I could have done that lmao. Also I think I ran Scald for the burn rather than Surf, I remember running max speed/HP and sash on it.
Luvdisc giving Specs Kyogre Swift Swim into Water Spout nukes is also pretty neat :)
Sidebar compared to the overall video topic, but I think the comment you make early on about enjoying Pokémon specifically because of competitive experience is super important. I’ve seen people from personal friends to some of the biggest Poketubers who focus on ingame call Heatran “the least interesting legendary” and “shouldn’t even be a legendary Pokémon” and “is just weird” and meanwhile everyone who has ever played a tier with Heatran absolutely adores the thing. Playing competitive doesn’t mean you don’t like Pokémon.
No the real least interesting legendary is Virizion. What an LMAO of a Pokemon. Easily the worst Grass/Fighting, except for _maybe_ Hisuian Decidueye, who will still have access to Scrappy Triple Arrows. They turned it into a robot, and that guy's an LMAO too
@@grunkleg.2934 iron leaves is so sad
I love heatran, purely because she was my first ever shiny...
I tend to forget Heatran and Landorus are legendaries sometimes...
Why do people like Heatran?
The editing of these videos is becoming A+ tier. Tenouttaten.
Caterpie vs Weedle is the top tier matchup everyone didn't know they wanted until it played out. Then everyone realized that no, they didn't actually want it.
Also let it be said. Yellow learning to appreciate Kingler is wholesome. Reverend is going to cry.
Kingler is a star
@@HumanReverend The dual dance set is 🔥🔥
Glad to hear you enjoyed your time in the RBY PU tournament I hosted!
Thank you very much for hosting it I had a great time and it's a big part of why I like the tier so much!
That's a good thumbnail but the Twitter one will be missed 😞
EDIT: It was just the Weedle/Caterpie kissing art but really big
Why would anyone describe a picture of 2 bug types french kissing as "good"
I felt like this was an acceptable middle ground hope people can accept it
@@AndrewDevourer Uncultured smh
What was it?
@@BigYellowSilly No, no it is a great thumbnail, I just wanted to see a terrible one
I must say, this is the greatest thumbnail ever conceived. This is the _only_ time I've actually used data to click on a new upload while at work, as a testament to its clickable-ness.
This is the only thumbnail that wasn't just thrown together while the vid was rendering, I was on a mission with this
2:35 True, my appreciation for Salazzle and Tsareena is entirely because I tried my damnedest to make them work in OU... and I even succeeded in that, too!
I did the same thing with Shell Smash Magcargo in Gen 6 OU lmao
@@WolfBergMenace Unfortunately the OU where I made them work wasn't where I initially tried them. They're awful in gen 7 OU, but really good in Gen 8 and 9
You sure it's just that and not something else?
Salazzle isn't really that bad. Not an OU staple, but it has interesting qualities. Corrosion gives it an opportunity to use toxic with it rarely backfiring. Toxic+Protect+Sub Salazzle is cheesy, but I've seen Nasty Plot+Belch+Salac Berry do some work.
Tsareena was also pretty good, at least in gen8 OU. Power Whip+HJK+Triple Axel was good coverage, dealing with some OU threats. The last slot could be Rapid Spin with HDB for utility, Synthesis could also be useful with a life orb set, or U-Turn on a Scarf/Band set could be nasty.
Sorry for writing a novel about Salazzle and Tsareena, I'm just passionate for using lower tier Pokémon. Heracross, Machamp, and Haxorus being my favorite to use over the years!
Lemme guess,you also like Gardevoir,Lopunny,Primarina as well?
The wholesome rug pull that is the moral of the story being "actually wait, let's maybe just think less hierarchically and prioritize enjoying what something is and the community that gathers around it" somehow surprised me despite being extremely on brand. Made me smile :)
The entire beginning of the 10U section was so absurd I couldn't stop laughing. And not even a hearty laugh, just the kind of laugh you do when you laugh really hard but you're trying to control it so it sounds shrill and makes you cry easier.
Can I just say, a not insignificant part of me enjoying your competitive Pokemon videos is the funny nicknames.
"You're favorite Pokemon is good somewhere."
Sirfetch'd, being stuck in NUBL hell in Gen 8 forever: 😑
I think this might be the best video for explaining how competitive pokemon can create metagames where any pokemon, even the most objectively weak ones, can be viable. Imagine telling any normal player, casual or competitive, that there is a metagame that revolves entirely around Weedle and Kakuna's poison stings, it may not be a fun metagame but that would be a cool fact to someone who is a fan of Weedle or Kakuna.
On the topic of a Pokemon being good somewhere, Wigglytuff is good in gen 1 NU, and great in gen 2 NU. I always liked Jigglypuff and Wigglytuff for being the pink fluffy, singing, bug eyed weirdos they are. Also, ADV OU Charizard made take back every mean thing I said to Charizard.
And while not a main game, the Wigglytuff line is super solid in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon gens 1 and 2 (Red/Blue, Time/Darkness/Sky, Rescue Team DX) because its ability got a glow up, stat caps are universal, and it can take advantage of the most broken mechanics in the games;
*Type effectiveness works on different formulas, where STAB is equal in multiplier to type-effectiveness. Immunities don't exist and instead do 50% damage, so Wigglytuff just hits like a truck with every STAB Normal move.
*Multi-hit moves are absolutely bonkers due to different damage formulas and improved accuracy. Wigglytuff naturally gets STAB Doubleslap, and also can take advantage of Defense Curl > Rollout (linking to do them both in 1 turn).
*In Red/Blue and RTDX, gender doesn't exist for anyone but the player, and Attract status hits literally everything. Wigglytuff's defense is good enough to let it tank hits and Cute Charm to make any adjacent foe useless half the time.
It's not the absolute game-breaker that some Pokemon are (it lacks a STAB room-clearer and doesn't have a second ability, nor can it walk over any hazard terrain without an item/skill) but it's super strong and is genuinely worth taking. Extra points for RTDX letting it have a passive that basically gives it Skill Link and perfect accuracy on multi-hits.
@@SuperLuigiKart64 and also, he's the guild master :D
Don't forget Jigglypuff being top 5 in Smash Bros Melee!
That thing about competitive making you appreciate pokemons hits hard cus that's exactly what happened to me with a ton of pokemon like Gliscor and Stakataka
Also love seeing you and Reverend shout each other out so much you 2 are some of my fave content creators ever
I don't have much interest in the video itself but that thumbnail has done massive psychic damage to me
I’m genuinely so fascinated by th idea of weird , hypothetical tiers that would make no sense to actually play . It reminds me of super fucked up experimental danger music that doesn’t really register as music anymore . I could listen to discussion of it all fuckin day despite how miserable 10U would be to actually play .
I did not think that one of the most meta conversations about Pokemon would be about the 6 worst mons from the first generation. But here we are
I think that people don't always get the underlying assumptions of competitive discussion when talking about playing favorites... like, you /can/ play as competitively bad Pokemon as you want. It's just important to understand that meta mons are meta because they "objectively" (fuzzy word in this case but) are the ones that are more likely to win. So if your goal is to compete, then yeah it's usually correct to say you should play the meta mons. But it's also totally internally consistent to be like "I am playing this mon entirely because I like it, I know it's not actually good and loses me % points"! I think a whole lot of the debate comes from people who don't quite get that, either people who can't comprehend why someone would make a choice that wasn't based around maximizing %, or people who want to believe their favorite pokemon is competitively really good even though it honestly isn't (like if someone says "charizard isnt very good" and people try to disprove them). This applies even if there really isn't a metagame where a mon is any good, like, I'm actually the kind of guy who always was rooting for... yep... Luvdisc lol. There's just not a format Luvdisc is good in and I don't even think it'd be good in any Little Cups. Same thing for like, Unown. But I still have the ability to play them on a team that's otherwise good just "for the meme" of it or whatever, and I think more people should be confident about the ability to simply go "I play it for no competitive reason I just think it's funny". It's pretty liberating!
There is a custom format in pokemon showdown called DNU which contains pokemon with BST under 250 with the exception of luvdisc and unknown also being in there.
And they are really viable.
@@Nitosa that's actually pretty neat
Really, the people who judge Charizard for its shitty competitive performance are mostly judging the people who insist that Charizard is really strong and really underrated, more often than not using it in tiers it has no place in.
Quagsire is my favorite pokemon after getting into competitive because it somehow always had a use in every tier in Gen 6 to the point of becoming OU since it was used so much.
It actually didn't become ou, at least in the end. It's a fairly unique story. It wasn't high tier at all originally, but stall rose to prominence in UU. It became meta warping and extremely unhealthy. Tournament matches devolved into literal pp stall wars between two stall teams. The council decided something needed to be done, and quagsire was the one chosen to be banned because it was only really used on hard stall and thus wouldn't hurt other playstyles and would make the tier healthier. That's what led to it becoming UUBL.
Quagsire being the only reliable Zacian check will never be not funny
I swear to god, every time I see and often when I even think the words “I beed my ped” I genuinely laugh. Every time.
I'm glad my two favourite pokemon Gengar and Porygon are both somehow in the meta at the same for somewhat stupid reasons
now i need to know where Shuckle is good
He's a good hazard suicide lead in later gen lower tiers! Sticky webs are strongggg
@@mewtastic2409 I do like the irony of telling someone their favourite pokemon's strongest role is throwing out some hazards and dying
GSC NU or XY UU are the tiers where Shuckle is best
@@mort3562🤷 if you wanna actually USE a mon you gotta make some concessions. I have to use Spidops under the assumption it WILL die.
@@eumorpha876 Can be decent in DP UU since under Sand, not much can get past it. Problem is, it's really passive and Seismic Toss from Chansey or Registeel flat out ignores its bulk.
Clicked because of the thumbnail. I didn't read the title. I hope I get to see Caterpie and Metapod passionately lock lips over the course of this video.
You can actually complete RBY with magikarp, specifically with the special event magikarp you talked about in this video. It does require item usage, but Scott's thoughts did a video on a solo challenge with the university magikarp and made it through the entire game.
You're like the friend I had that moved away. Talking for hours about Pokemon Theory. Gabe, if you see this. I miss ya man.
Thanks big yellow
i absolutely adore how much you've changed your style over time
I liked your little comment on competitive Pokémon exposing you to potential new favourites that you hadn’t really thought about before (Kingler in your case). For me, that was Starmie. Before competitive, I always ignored it as a weirdo, but after starting competitive and learning that Starmie was consistently amazing for so many gens in a row shot it up to being one of my favourites.
I'd say cumulatively, this at least says to me that the Weedle line is the weakest line of pokemon in RBY. Beedrill sucks so bad it's beaten in 7U, and it's a hypothetical 8U at best. Beedrill's pre evolutions are only meta defining in 10U due to no other status existing, if even a move with a 10% chance to inflict any other status existed in that tier, they'd be dogwater.
At 2:24 when you mentioned Luvdisc, fun fact, Luvdisc is a great Pokemon in the DNU (Do Not Use) tier, along with Unknown.
Pokemon's Tiering system is certainly something unique, and we've got to appreciate it for that.
The only such large franchise I know where a major competitive scene is entirely community run. Some fighting games are a bit like that but not to this degree.
@@MenwithHillshame the community has a lot to be desired.
never thought i would see a thumbnail of caterpie and weedle making out on my youtube homepage but here we are. the year is starting off strong from a content angle
Female Mao Zedong
this was a super entertaining watch, and for the record i actually really like your lighting setup, it feels warm and cozy and "homely" if that makes sense? its not too dim even if it isnt very bright
Thank you I'm honestly pretty happy with the way my lighting is now even if it's still not perfect
I agree immensely with trying new mons in comp and getting new faves. I wouldn't like Piloswine, Stakataka, Boltund and Maractus as much as I do if it weren't for draft league lol
2:35 100% correct. I always liked Thundurus-Therian, but I never truly appreciated how obscenely strong it was until I put it on my gen 7 imprison landorus hyper offense team. It might be the single best pure stallbreaker in OU because not even *eviolite chansey* is safe. Do the calcs with +2 and +4 (because pex cannot stay in) and it's fucking insane.
i've rewatched this like 4 times over the past few weeks and im just now realizing that wasn't normal accumula town
It makes me quite happy that Clefairy's doin' solid in 7U, considering it's my 4th favorite Pokemon in general
Y'really love to see it
rby charizard is a good pokemon for people who hate jynx but also hate winning
damn bro got buried in comment hell
On that note about competitive helping you appreciate some Pokémon more than you would otherwise: I remember having no real opinion on Snorlax for the longest time. Just some bulky bear that the devs liked putting on rivals’ teams. Then I learned about GSC’s Curse-Lax and Self Destruct Snorlax sets and thought “What if I merged the sets and brought them back in the modern day?” (SwSh at the time). I really liked running trick room teams in doubles at the time so it fit in perfectly as a lead along side Dusclops. Turn 1 was trick room and curse setup and turn 2 it would slam the opponent with a +1, life orb, helping hand, stab boosted 200 bp nuke. It was glorious to whiteness, especially against setup and Dynamax leads, with 9/10 teams completely crumpling afterwards. Also gave it GMax specifically so, in the event it couldn’t blow up, it would have strong raw stab damage with GMax Replenish that didn’t interfere with trick room + bulk boosting potential with Max Steel Spike. As much as I’m glad they let Snorlax sit out on SV, I’d be lying if I said I didn’t miss those shenanigans, it’s something terra normal Explosion Garganacl just can’t replicate to the same effect.
the thing that bothers me about the “competitive pokemon is too centralized!!” complaint is that you can just. go into a different tier? yeah, i also find exploiting weird niches and underutilized pokemon more interesting than following the highly standardized ou meta. that’s why i tend to play pu or zu instead.
I wouldn't describe 10U as a dead fish, per se. It's more analogous to scraping a rock's underside at the seafloor of Challenger's Deep and studying THAT ecosystem for a living. Absolutely marvelous video
Damn I've been thinking for a while now "if you kept banning stuff until only 6 pokemon remained, what would those be?" I wasn't thinking of any meta in particular but it's crazy that someone actually did it
The comment about a Pokemon becoming more lovable after compeitive is so real! I played a small Single Type Teams Only Gimmick Tournament and my Mono-Dark team made me adore Drapion so much
10U looks like it would be great to play as part of a drinking game:
-Every time there's a mirror match, drink
-Every time you poison something, drink
-Every time you get a crit, drink
-(bonus) if you use Splash your opponent has to drink
Something like that
the theory of growing attached to a pokemon simple because you randomly tried using it happened to me recently. Participated in a Gen 9 Nat Dex draft league recently and towards the end of my draft i was really scared of certain mons. I saw Bronzong and thought "this looks pretty good to cover some of those niche MUs i'm afraid of". I never thought i'd bring it to every single fckn game i played cuz it just does everything it's so fckn sick.
You have the best thumbnails in youtube its not even close
Really cool that someone’s grandma plays Pokémon.
Enjoyable video.
I'm the out of touch grandma who doesn't even know there are games after Gen 5 so I've gone insane over RBY
I’m part of a Showdown offshoot that hosts a 10U ladder and unironically, we’ve discovered that Ditto is absolutely the worst mon in the tier. The opponent literally switches into Caterpie and you get basically no value from the Transform. Magikarp also happens to be actually insane (with Dragon Rage), and is up there with Weedle and Kakuna as the best mons in the tier.
13:09 That has to be the most intimidating threat Ive ever heard. With a completely straight face no less.
I love your point about growing to appreciate Pokemon because of competitive! I had always glanced over Porygon2 as just "Porygon but not low-poly so who cares?" Giving it due attention because of how good eviolite Porygon2 is, I also realized that yeah, I do genuinely find it to be the cutest of its evo line, and there's something cheeky about how the last stable build of the Porygon line is the one that's hard as fuck to break defensively. I'd just never given it the brain space to come to that realization before.
As well as being a giant pain to break down, it's also arguably the single best trick room setter in the game due to its access to Teleport. I adore using it competitively and it's definitely given me a fondness for a pokemon I didn't really think about much until I used it in that context
Holy shit I'm so happy you did end up using that image in the thumbnail lmao
Charizard really walked into gen3 OU and said "Nah I'd win"
Very neat to see you and Reverend both shouting out each other's videos, since your two channels are what got me into competitive Pokemon!
Wake up babe new big yellow RBY video just dropped
Love the fashion, it's a great look
Also the thumbnail is hilarious
Huge agreement when it comes to forming personal connections with Pokémon through competitive. Chatot became my favorite Pokémon of all time through me using him in Gen 6 (hehehehe Boomburst go burr). And that was a pokemon I never even thought about before
The fact that you can play so many tiers where so many different pokemon can be threats and have nieche is actually my favorite part about competitive pokemon. God why did I drop out of rby ZU?
Hmm, a video about the lowest tiering possible for RBY mons and how you define the worst of the worst, so weird but how cool weve narrowed it down so much! With the bonus in how Big Yellow's fashion keeps getting cuter and cuter! Can't wait for the next video
1:33 I heard that, don't you dare think I would ever miss that
only semi-related to the video as a whole but the opening bit is a really great point: i definitely got the wrong idea about competitive pokemon where all i've really seen of it is newest gen ubers/OU discourse and now i know that in older games (and newer ones once the meta settles i guess?) i can find a tier where i can play my baby boy baby and it's all good! granted if your two favorites are like. slowbro and arbok. maybe you'll have to flip a coin to see who gets to play RBY that day but still, as a kingler appreciator i'm glad it can work SOMEWHERE
This is off topic, but I really enjoy the way you've been changing up your style recently. It looks great on you!
"something you enjoy is cooking somewhere"
Flygon, my favourite pokemon: am i a joke to you?
Everyone seems to be talking about a Pokémon they grew to love in competitive Pokémon, and for me, that’s Cloyster. It’s such a beast in early gens, and even now, shell smash is such a fun tool. My favorite Ice type, and I don’t think I’ve ever used it in an in-game team.
Seeing the stand-in for a normal player liking Hitmonchan but never getting to use him near the start of the video feels validating. Literally me.
Hey it's Big Yellow RUclips, they're back!
rly want you to know that the transition from normal accumula town to the remix was impeccable and it will stick with me for the rest of my days
You know what this was close to the 11U video that I saw coming. You’re good to use that thumbnail
5:00 your lighting may be bad, but it's improved enough to look like a stylistic choice instead of a lack of budget!
This video thumbnail turned off my pacemaker