Hey guys - I hear you on the negative tone for the patch. I understand it's a free game in an Alpha, and that there's no *real* reason to complain. I wanna make it clear: I LOVE this game and really appreciate the developers' work. It's just the large majority of previous patches were HUGE, with large changes to the meta and items/heroes. Thus my expectations were too high for this patch, and that's all. Appreciate all the feedback in the comments as always! Enjoy the patch & your games and 24/7 QUEUE! (best change)
Hopefully you learned a very important lesson, just don't set expectations for anything. If you enjoy the game, focus on enjoying the game.... I honestly don't care what they do with any patch, I just enjoy playing the game...
@@hayden3960looks fine and plays fine for me. I played a few matches earlier. I’m still enjoying it. Also, as has been said before, it’s an Alpha game… we are testing it… don’t expect everything to be perfect. If you don’t like something then report it on the official forums and wait for it to be fixed…… I feel like common sense has vanished in the gaming community…
yea i dont agree with the sentiment you have. 1. patches arent meant to shake the meta, some patches do some patches dont. The main purpose is to balance the game. 2. its an pre-alpha game, i dont know how many times people have to say that.
@@hayden3960 I played a few matches earlier and it was perfectly fine. Game looked good. No issues with freezing. This game is an alpha and we are testing it. There will be issues caused by updates and patches… that happens in every game… so when you find something you report it on the forum and wait for it to be fixed…
I dont think you were negativ here, dont understand why people take it so offensiv. Youre stating your thoughts, without talking shit about it. Im all open for it for valve testing and doing weird stuff to forge the core of the game, and that includes maybe „bad“ patches but also good shifts in the game. You cant know, without testing in alpha. Thats not hating here, its just reacting to their latest changes, have fun guys and be prepared to witness the weirdest stuff along the way haha
this community has a serious hivemind problem. it’s already infested with sycophants who are obsessed with maintaining the paradoxical delusion of a perfect game that can’t be criticized because it is in alpha. my guess is that this just representative of the wider valve community, since a lot of the people coming from dota/tf2 seem to be blind followers of anything valve says and does. if you go on the deadlock reddit you’ll also encounter these kinds of people trying to stop you from giving the game any meaningful feedback. it’s honestly pretty disgusting
This "it's in alpha/beta/early access" point is such a tired defence against criticism. I don't give a fuck if it's not complete yet, I can still criticize the choices being made. If someone is making a cake and they pour asbestos in, I can still criticize that choice even if the product hasn't been fully completed yet. It's fine to be critical of things, cause in some way you care about it or how it will end up.
@@DoctorNerf deathly has good criticism and is very knowledgeable about the game. He just needs to grow a fucking spine and to not try and tip toe around the people bitching and complaining about him bitch and complaining lol
I agree the patch was a bit disapointing, but I think is the right diretion to not gut characters. Would lover nerfs to decay btw. But I think it will shake the meta with kelvin changes/6% less cd overall, more window to punish, and spamy heroes(shiv,lash,yamato,viscous) should be a lot worse, and gun builds much better no?
They've gutted Viscous at this point. They didn't just nerf the crap out of his kit last couple patches, they've nerfed all his items as well. His punch utility is basically gone, and his damage has been hit so much now.
Played against a mcginnis and Kelvin who grouped together the entire game. The amount of healing they had and cc from spamming wall, arctic beam and dome was so painful, did not help they also had Mo & Krill. Their team comp was not fun to play against
No way people are complaining that a game that's not even in beta, but in ALPHA has disappointing patches. I give up lmao Edit: We definitely need to make sure we criticise the game as it develops, I just meant it was a tad early to be expecting regular *quality* content from patches when they are still experimenting! This was not aimed at Deathy alone at all, as there are lots of people complaining about the patch! I was simply upset at seeing the Deadlock community turning into TF2 in terms of patch-hate (Hence the "I give up" part, directed at Valve's many communities!).
Fair point! I still really appreciate all the work put in the game and realize that it's a FREE game, just sharing my thoughts. Of course game is still awesome and I don't want to be negative about it. I'll keep a more positive tone in the future - my bad
ur my fav deadlock youtuber so far you get to the point and have clear and concessive ideas and thoughts to make clear for new players like me. Thank you!
People need to realize that people that constructively criticize things do so because they like the thing they're criticizing, and to stop conflating those people with doomers/haters.
"As a high level player" - you should probably cut that shit out, it's getting obnoxious, and with the oversaturation of Deadlock content creators, this is something people started to be less tolerant about and it might cause them to look elsewhere. Your content is of good quality and that should speak for itself. No reason to mention how high level of a player you are, especially now that there currently is no way to track that accurately.
i think that change hurts deathy’s build and makes it harder to keep playing in and out of fights with flog, but i think it makes the burst build better
Not a fan of the 6% global cooldown nerf. On limited games it felt like a nerf to characters that rely on abilities early and don’t have large mags/high fire rate. Playing as Geist vs ivy/wraith felt way more oppressive early game.
i feel like a trend in this game is that gun characters are way stronger at all points in the game with better early game items and better lategame scaling. i feel like a lot of spirit characters fall off late but aren’t strong early because of high cooldowns, and there’s only really a sweet spot in the midgame where they’re strong, whereas tanks and gun-based characters are consistent throughout the game.
Maybe inconvenient, but you could showcase some more of the changes directly in the sandbox, like Bebop's Hyper Beam Splash Damage (spawn in a second enemy bot), or with Kelvin, the Rejuv being invulnerable (they added a miniature midboss left of the entrance to the jungle camp in the sandbox). I'm aware you want to keep it succinct. Just some feedback.
I dont get how you mention were still in a tank meta and then say Decay shouldve gotten hit 5 seconds later. Decay legit feels like the only thing barely keeping tanks in check
Dont get the flame in the comments. Deadlock is a good game otherwise deathly probably would not be playing it. My only annoyance is the staggers, had a lot since the patch but thats about it. Im sure it'll be fixed
Right? Alt left click doesnt work anymore, so I cant hover my mouse on my skills. Cant ping map, cant learn new heroes coz I cant read skill descriptions in game anymore. Did they mention any workaround?
@@rayu7191 well they swapped tab and leftalt. So like that you can do it again. But you can only level up skills by the exact button i use mouse 5 for my ultimate and i can level it by pressing alt mouse 5 like before the patch i have to alt 4 now which is very awkward for me. And even if u swap alt and tab back like i did u still cant ping enemy missing
@@herbertzaunpfal9620 that is really annoying, but thank you for letting me know tab, I tried ctrl, alt, shift and nothing worked. Who tf thought its better to put something in tab.
@@rayu7191 idk i mean the game felt very smooth already its quite unecessary to switch up so many mechanics etc. the muscle memory is fucked for a few days now
@@herbertzaunpfal9620 yeah it was so annoying. Lost early early laning stage for a couple of games just to get used to this. And havent been able to ping minimap since yesterday. Im really annoyed
Love the Arctic Beam nerf for Kelvin that move can be genuinely insufferable. But I feel like the main issues with it that still haven't been addressed is how unreactable it is and how absurdly short the cooldown is. I generally try not to even engage against the character just because nore likely than not he's gonna have the beam available and once ge activates it, unless you have warpstone or some fast movement option, you kinda just have to eat the whole beam. I think it should have like a 1-2 second channel time before the beam actually fires. That way it's at least some what reactable when fighting against him and it can't be used as a panic button in the middle of a fight.
I just hate the alt changes. Ive been using alt to level skills and to check scaling on skills for about 10 years now. I dont understand why they would rip that away.
i dont think every patch is meant to shake the meta, some patches are adjustment, combine this one with other patches and they if you see the whole picture, you can see how the meta shifts. Also...there are many character getting nerf to the bullets and base spirit damage in favour of spirit builds. Thats a shake up
the bebop ULT target area still respects line of sight. So you wont get hit by it if you are behind something out of sight even if inside area. I am going to assume that is a bug.
The patch literally states "can be used to fish heroes out of cover in some areas" when talking about the hyper beam change. This strongly implies line of sight does not matter for the aoe
@@Lord_OGRE I think he'll be alright. A bit more thought from the Abrams about when to use charge punch, and a bit of a build change might be needed, but he'll live.
Nobody dissapointed by this patch has read the patch. idgaf aboit the "meta", its still developing they can mess woth that, but the underlying game is improving
the game is improving based on what? i’ve noticed that the people giving negative feedback manage to come up with specific arguments but everything the hivemind says just amounts to sycophants like you praising everything
@@eebbaa5560 well for one provate matches are now a thing (though in early stages) and my fps jumped by 10 on average with the update, so theres that. Also, with a game that updates as often as this one thats pretry nice. all of you dumbfucks expecting major balance shifts or content updates at this point in development are low iq.
We aren’t in a tank meta. There’s literally one melee tank called abrams, it’s not surprising he’s picked. Haze, Wraith, Vindictus is in every single fucking game and I’m tired of it.
critiques on anything are the entire point of the alpha. and the game already has thousands and thousands of players. the meta is always important. or do you just expect them to magically make a game that’s perfectly balanced on launch?
I’m uninstalling for now because there’s alot of changes that blatantly make the game unplayable on top of balance changes that don’t make any sense. I think the devs need a lot more cooking. This game has a a lot of potential and could be one of the greats with time.
Guess what? Youre helping the „cooking“ by playing the game. I can understand that you dont like the balancing right now, and that you wont keep playing an unfinished game, but thats what to expect from a game in alpha. Balancing a game with only valve employees playing the game an a bunch of private testers will not make the big picture. It will probably take a lot of time, before its settled down. But valve getting data from matches and thoughts like in this video, are hopefully helping the game getting the disered results faster.
Welp, it only took all of three weeks for people to start dooming and making content shitting on the game (which is not even in beta testing). Gamers truly ruined gaming.
What do you expect? The days are over where there wasnt social media talking and investigating in games. Thats a part from it now, and honestly the game benefits a lot of it. Getting feedback and critism is good for a game in alpha. But crying and spreading negativity like this wont help lol. I just dont understand people so offensive about patches, let them try and experiment with the game. Ofcourse you can give negativ feedback on this, but there is a difference in feedback and talking shit and crying, branding like the game is already fucked up.
Hey guys - I hear you on the negative tone for the patch. I understand it's a free game in an Alpha, and that there's no *real* reason to complain. I wanna make it clear: I LOVE this game and really appreciate the developers' work. It's just the large majority of previous patches were HUGE, with large changes to the meta and items/heroes. Thus my expectations were too high for this patch, and that's all.
Appreciate all the feedback in the comments as always! Enjoy the patch & your games and 24/7 QUEUE! (best change)
Hopefully you learned a very important lesson, just don't set expectations for anything. If you enjoy the game, focus on enjoying the game.... I honestly don't care what they do with any patch, I just enjoy playing the game...
@@mrickman8150 well the most recent patch made the game unenjoyable because the graphics looked worse and made the game freeze every minute.
@@hayden3960looks fine and plays fine for me. I played a few matches earlier. I’m still enjoying it. Also, as has been said before, it’s an Alpha game… we are testing it… don’t expect everything to be perfect. If you don’t like something then report it on the official forums and wait for it to be fixed…… I feel like common sense has vanished in the gaming community…
yea i dont agree with the sentiment you have.
1. patches arent meant to shake the meta, some patches do some patches dont. The main purpose is to balance the game.
2. its an pre-alpha game, i dont know how many times people have to say that.
@@hayden3960 I played a few matches earlier and it was perfectly fine. Game looked good. No issues with freezing. This game is an alpha and we are testing it. There will be issues caused by updates and patches… that happens in every game… so when you find something you report it on the forum and wait for it to be fixed…
Im so glad they fixed that awful change to the way minions appear on the mini map. It was just like heat maps or something. Terrible
Yeah thank GOD, I love my triangles
I dont think you were negativ here, dont understand why people take it so offensiv. Youre stating your thoughts, without talking shit about it. Im all open for it for valve testing and doing weird stuff to forge the core of the game, and that includes maybe „bad“ patches but also good shifts in the game. You cant know, without testing in alpha. Thats not hating here, its just reacting to their latest changes, have fun guys and be prepared to witness the weirdest stuff along the way haha
nice video, always appreciate your thoughts. dont really understand the ppl jumping you for expressing your disappointment with some of the changes
this community has a serious hivemind problem. it’s already infested with sycophants who are obsessed with maintaining the paradoxical delusion of a perfect game that can’t be criticized because it is in alpha. my guess is that this just representative of the wider valve community, since a lot of the people coming from dota/tf2 seem to be blind followers of anything valve says and does. if you go on the deadlock reddit you’ll also encounter these kinds of people trying to stop you from giving the game any meaningful feedback. it’s honestly pretty disgusting
This "it's in alpha/beta/early access" point is such a tired defence against criticism. I don't give a fuck if it's not complete yet, I can still criticize the choices being made.
If someone is making a cake and they pour asbestos in, I can still criticize that choice even if the product hasn't been fully completed yet.
It's fine to be critical of things, cause in some way you care about it or how it will end up.
Idk the game was fun and now it's still fun I don't really have any issues with the patch.
It must be so weird being a content creator. Can't even have a mild opinion without people kicking off lmao.
don’t worry you can’t have an opinion about this game at all, it’s not just content creators. community is already filled with maladjusted weirdos
@@eebbaa5560 DotA players, we call them
It is what it is man
@@DoctorNerf deathly has good criticism and is very knowledgeable about the game. He just needs to grow a fucking spine and to not try and tip toe around the people bitching and complaining about him bitch and complaining lol
@@eebbaa5560classic MOBA/comp game community. Idk what it is with them, but they just always attract the weirdest people.
I agree the patch was a bit disapointing, but I think is the right diretion to not gut characters. Would lover nerfs to decay btw. But I think it will shake the meta with kelvin changes/6% less cd overall, more window to punish, and spamy heroes(shiv,lash,yamato,viscous) should be a lot worse, and gun builds much better no?
We'll see - bleed shiv still feels very good, and Lash got some spirit scaling buffs, yamato got some buffs as well, so hard to say. In theory perhaps
They've gutted Viscous at this point. They didn't just nerf the crap out of his kit last couple patches, they've nerfed all his items as well.
His punch utility is basically gone, and his damage has been hit so much now.
Played against a mcginnis and Kelvin who grouped together the entire game. The amount of healing they had and cc from spamming wall, arctic beam and dome was so painful, did not help they also had Mo & Krill. Their team comp was not fun to play against
I got hit with a 1100 damage ground strike today
No way people are complaining that a game that's not even in beta, but in ALPHA has disappointing patches. I give up lmao
Edit: We definitely need to make sure we criticise the game as it develops, I just meant it was a tad early to be expecting regular *quality* content from patches when they are still experimenting! This was not aimed at Deathy alone at all, as there are lots of people complaining about the patch! I was simply upset at seeing the Deadlock community turning into TF2 in terms of patch-hate (Hence the "I give up" part, directed at Valve's many communities!).
Exactly lol
So many people are giving the game reviews as if it's released as well
“High level player” these are the people that ruined Overwatch.
Competitive gaming culture is a disgrace.
Fair point! I still really appreciate all the work put in the game and realize that it's a FREE game, just sharing my thoughts. Of course game is still awesome and I don't want to be negative about it. I'll keep a more positive tone in the future - my bad
ur my fav deadlock youtuber so far you get to the point and have clear and concessive ideas and thoughts to make clear for new players like me. Thank you!
People need to realize that people that constructively criticize things do so because they like the thing they're criticizing, and to stop conflating those people with doomers/haters.
"As a high level player" - you should probably cut that shit out, it's getting obnoxious, and with the oversaturation of Deadlock content creators, this is something people started to be less tolerant about and it might cause them to look elsewhere. Your content is of good quality and that should speak for itself. No reason to mention how high level of a player you are, especially now that there currently is no way to track that accurately.
Sounds corny af, but "deadlock pro player" is top1 corniest thing you can say about yourself
I think the minor nerf to cooldowns actually hurts lash more than the buffs helped him.
i think that change hurts deathy’s build and makes it harder to keep playing in and out of fights with flog, but i think it makes the burst build better
The point of a patch is not to “shake up the meta”
This. So much.
They haven't even released the game yet, they're trying to get the game balanced and complete
@@Moulwurf can you speak in full sentences?
Most patches before this would shake up the meta quite a bit relax dawg
@@Pojoman seems more like a side effect than their main goal
Too please do this with every patch I like your thoughts and how you showing a gameplay of the changes
Valve typically does a big patch and then several tweak patches
Not a fan of the 6% global cooldown nerf. On limited games it felt like a nerf to characters that rely on abilities early and don’t have large mags/high fire rate. Playing as Geist vs ivy/wraith felt way more oppressive early game.
i feel like a trend in this game is that gun characters are way stronger at all points in the game with better early game items and better lategame scaling. i feel like a lot of spirit characters fall off late but aren’t strong early because of high cooldowns, and there’s only really a sweet spot in the midgame where they’re strong, whereas tanks and gun-based characters are consistent throughout the game.
Maybe inconvenient, but you could showcase some more of the changes directly in the sandbox, like Bebop's Hyper Beam Splash Damage (spawn in a second enemy bot), or with Kelvin, the Rejuv being invulnerable (they added a miniature midboss left of the entrance to the jungle camp in the sandbox).
I'm aware you want to keep it succinct. Just some feedback.
I dont get how you mention were still in a tank meta and then say Decay shouldve gotten hit 5 seconds later. Decay legit feels like the only thing barely keeping tanks in check
Because decay shouldnt be a mandatory buy, and since its a mandatory buy into tanks then i guess we in a tank meta.
They could make changes that reduce the strength of tanks and de-prioritize Decay at the same time you know.
We're in a tank meta? I see Wraith Seven Vindicta and Haze in every game.
@@pezdispencer113 Might kick in at certain MMR
@@pezdispencer113tanks are OP as fuck right now.
Yamato changes are pretty nice
I think the bebop ult is absolutely insane and probably the strongest in game now.
ok so im glad it wasnt just me getting those huge freezes/lag spikes right after patch the game was running like shit
Hey, just saying that i really appreciate this kind of video.
The game is in a phase where this kind of constructive criticism would benefit a lot.
I actually think the patch was solid. Idk why so many people are complaining.
it was unplayable when it released
people are complaining because of how badly it was rolled out and how many bad changes they made and had to hotfix.
Klevin nerfed thank God. Good patch all we needed lmao
Dont get the flame in the comments. Deadlock is a good game otherwise deathly probably would not be playing it.
My only annoyance is the staggers, had a lot since the patch but thats about it. Im sure it'll be fixed
proud to be following you before you go big
honestly feels bad to use Bebop ult on camps now, its so good against heroes
also being able to use Enchanters barrier on Geist is interesting
lets go deathy - keep em coming
How do i ping enemy is missing now ? It seems like you cant just Lclick on the character avatar in the top anymore.
Right? Alt left click doesnt work anymore, so I cant hover my mouse on my skills. Cant ping map, cant learn new heroes coz I cant read skill descriptions in game anymore. Did they mention any workaround?
@@rayu7191 well they swapped tab and leftalt. So like that you can do it again. But you can only level up skills by the exact button i use mouse 5 for my ultimate and i can level it by pressing alt mouse 5 like before the patch i have to alt 4 now which is very awkward for me. And even if u swap alt and tab back like i did u still cant ping enemy missing
@@herbertzaunpfal9620 that is really annoying, but thank you for letting me know tab, I tried ctrl, alt, shift and nothing worked. Who tf thought its better to put something in tab.
@@rayu7191 idk i mean the game felt very smooth already its quite unecessary to switch up so many mechanics etc. the muscle memory is fucked for a few days now
@@herbertzaunpfal9620 yeah it was so annoying. Lost early early laning stage for a couple of games just to get used to this. And havent been able to ping minimap since yesterday. Im really annoyed
Love the Arctic Beam nerf for Kelvin that move can be genuinely insufferable. But I feel like the main issues with it that still haven't been addressed is how unreactable it is and how absurdly short the cooldown is. I generally try not to even engage against the character just because nore likely than not he's gonna have the beam available and once ge activates it, unless you have warpstone or some fast movement option, you kinda just have to eat the whole beam.
I think it should have like a 1-2 second channel time before the beam actually fires. That way it's at least some what reactable when fighting against him and it can't be used as a panic button in the middle of a fight.
I just hate the alt changes. Ive been using alt to level skills and to check scaling on skills for about 10 years now. I dont understand why they would rip that away.
i dont think every patch is meant to shake the meta, some patches are adjustment, combine this one with other patches and they if you see the whole picture, you can see how the meta shifts. Also...there are many character getting nerf to the bullets and base spirit damage in favour of spirit builds. Thats a shake up
They quietly buffed the build i enjoy and im not even sure why. Gave me 25% more dmg and more of a reason to diversify the build early and late.
the bebop ULT target area still respects line of sight. So you wont get hit by it if you are behind something out of sight even if inside area. I am going to assume that is a bug.
The patch literally states "can be used to fish heroes out of cover in some areas" when talking about the hyper beam change. This strongly implies line of sight does not matter for the aoe
The support on your channel has been INSANE lately, Very deserved! Great content.
The main bummer from the patch is that they broke the letter V and now I can’t play my goo boy or foot queen
My boy abrams was obliterated
@@Lord_OGRE I think he'll be alright. A bit more thought from the Abrams about when to use charge punch, and a bit of a build change might be needed, but he'll live.
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I used to level up ability's with Caps+ability but now im forced to use alt which is incredibly uncomfortable. hopefully they switch it back
Nobody dissapointed by this patch has read the patch. idgaf aboit the "meta", its still developing they can mess woth that, but the underlying game is improving
the game is improving based on what? i’ve noticed that the people giving negative feedback manage to come up with specific arguments but everything the hivemind says just amounts to sycophants like you praising everything
@@eebbaa5560 well for one provate matches are now a thing (though in early stages) and my fps jumped by 10 on average with the update, so theres that. Also, with a game that updates as often as this one thats pretry nice. all of you dumbfucks expecting major balance shifts or content updates at this point in development are low iq.
u didnt talk about grey talon
I think you forgot you were playing a playtest and not a released game, the point of the patches is not to shake up the meta but to develop the game
We aren’t in a tank meta. There’s literally one melee tank called abrams, it’s not surprising he’s picked. Haze, Wraith, Vindictus is in every single fucking game and I’m tired of it.
Haze isn’t even that hard to deal with
I always laugh at the ppl complaining about haze with how easy she is to deal with.
As far as tanks go, have fun with a good mo & krill at higher MMR.
idk why people act like this isn't an invite only alpha. The game is nowhere near full release so critiques on things like meta are ridiculous
critiques on anything are the entire point of the alpha. and the game already has thousands and thousands of players. the meta is always important. or do you just expect them to magically make a game that’s perfectly balanced on launch?
@@eebbaa5560it will not be balanced on release... I take fun game over any balance
Patch was a big fat nothingburger
I’m uninstalling for now because there’s alot of changes that blatantly make the game unplayable on top of balance changes that don’t make any sense. I think the devs need a lot more cooking. This game has a a lot of potential and could be one of the greats with time.
Shutup
@@tylersmith9868 Ayyoo?
What are the changes that make the game unplayable lol
@@lukkkasz323 have u not played a match yet since the update dropped? You’ll see.
Guess what? Youre helping the „cooking“ by playing the game. I can understand that you dont like the balancing right now, and that you wont keep playing an unfinished game, but thats what to expect from a game in alpha. Balancing a game with only valve employees playing the game an a bunch of private testers will not make the big picture. It will probably take a lot of time, before its settled down. But valve getting data from matches and thoughts like in this video, are hopefully helping the game getting the disered results faster.
wish you talked about the item and other changes
“Tanks are too strong” “the item that counters tanks and life steal is too strong”
Pick a side homie
It could be both
Infernus is absolutely broken lol
The meta lol - this dude needs to touch some damn grass
God i love you the way youve shaped my body encourages me to hurt others
Welp, it only took all of three weeks for people to start dooming and making content shitting on the game (which is not even in beta testing).
Gamers truly ruined gaming.
then quit playing softie
If you think this is dooming and "shitting on the game" then you're sensitive af.
What do you expect? The days are over where there wasnt social media talking and investigating in games. Thats a part from it now, and honestly the game benefits a lot of it. Getting feedback and critism is good for a game in alpha. But crying and spreading negativity like this wont help lol. I just dont understand people so offensive about patches, let them try and experiment with the game. Ofcourse you can give negativ feedback on this, but there is a difference in feedback and talking shit and crying, branding like the game is already fucked up.
You ppl are such morons lmao. Constructive criticism is the best thing you can do for this game. Or any game really.
@@KZ_Suntorn aight i see u simping for ur boyfriend that shit is cringe tho fuck off