Yes! If it’s just this, and nothing else, while we are all breaking our brains and coming up with theories about this, I’m going to laugh so hard. RTD would be an absolute genius for this 😂
Susan Twist is a bloody good actor and has fallen into these roles perfectly. There's definitely a reason why she's there, and I'm loving all these guesses why she's here. I really love RTDs style of writing.
I think it speaks to RTD’s skill as writer/showrunner that so many of these theories sound plausible based on clues (and potential red herrings) we’ve been given. They can’t all be true, but each has its reasons.
He is too young to remember that. I was a child back then and I didn't remember them. Only hearing the track on a Christmas album brought them to my attention.
@@bennettnez4711 Actually. looking at the release year for the track, it was 1972. Season 9 had been shown so maybe one of the stories from that season will give a clue to the UNIT secret from the era of the Third Doctor. I hope it is the Time Monster apparatus which is held by UNIT. The Day of the Daleks might also be relevant, or the Sea Devils.
My current theory is this Susan Twists character is going to be publicly introducing time travel (tardis) technology to the public. Thats going off the news banner that says “s triad technology announced” (TARDIS technology announced). It’s kinda similar to one of the latest arcs in a light novel series called A certain magical index where the villian of the arc starts selling the secrets of magic (something which no one in the city ever thought was real) to everyone in the city which in turn completely breaks the foundations of everything. So it’s up to the doctor to stop Susan Twists character from selling it. But how does she have access to the technology and knowledge? Since she appears in WBY before the salt incident it’s makes it semi clear that’s she’s not a member of the pantheon or anything like that. Which means how else is she appearing in all these different time periods? Time travel. Presumably testing the technology and keeping an eye on the doctor. Almost like she’s trying to get his attention… in two out of the four episodes so far it’s been the doctor who’s just missed noticing her (DC and 73 Yards) if the doctor had never been zapped away in 73 yards he would have bumped right into her so in my eyes it’s less of the doctor is conveniently missing her and more of Susan is trying to get subtly get his attention but keeps missing him. So if we assume Susan twist is testing her technology and trying subtly get the attention of the doctor, who really is she? Given the hints of : A)Not a member of the pantheon (probs) B)concurring theme of family this entire season C)Knowledge about the tardis In my opinion it’s mostly likely going to be Susan. Her goals in selling the technology could be an attempt to get the doctor to come back or it could perhaps could even be that she was tricked/made a deal with the trickster. Thats just my theory anyway
That may get retconned since that was before the doctor being a time lord from Gallifrey was established. And we know the existence of TARDISes goes back far beyond the first Doctor
@@AdamBlackThat is exactly my interpretation. Gallifreyans used the word TT capsules, too. When the translation circuit translated the Gallifreyan full name into "Time and Relative Dimension In Space" into 20th century English, Susan made up the acronym TARDIS as the original Gallifreyans also used since acronym. Either that or Susan comes from the Doctor's pre-Hartnell life as suggested in Lungbarrow.
Something has clicked I haven't heard anyone mention. Susan Twist is splintered through time like Scaroth in City of Death. The final two parter is called Empire of Death. Maybe Susan Twist harnesses a similar time experiment like in the episode city of Death, which like Scaroth, results in her splintered through time.
True. I've been assuming this is how the Clara thing worked. But so was the Great Intelligence. ( splintered) and Ive heard no one point out the obvious: there is one character in Who that can manifest snow.... Great Intelligence.
Possible important info: In 73 yards Susan Twist was headed in the direction of the TARDIS. Without the woman to scare her off (in other words, now our timeline) she would have found it.
The idea of heralds has come up a couple of times this series. First we had Harbinger for Maestro, then we had the villagers in 73 Yards jokingly suggest the old woman was a herald for Mad Jack. Is it possible she's the herald for the One Who Waits?
@@FistusFantasticus The synopsis for The Legend of Ruby Sunday mentions that "the mysterious Triad Technology unleash the greatest evil of all." So whether intentionally or accidentally, it definitely seems they're paving the way for something. And I think your idea is a good one - Sutekh would certainly be a worthy candidate for "greatest evil" (Fenric or The Beast others), especially if unleashed.
One of my theories for who the actress Susan Twist is playing is that she is actually playing an actress. Long explanation, sorry lol. There’s a theory out there, with the multiple times the fourth wall has been broken and how ‘The Legend of Ruby Sunday’ seems to be a TV show that the whole of the new season of Doctor Who has somehow been the doctor in a TV series and he will find out he’s in a TV series. Could the Twist of Susan’s character be she plays an actor that is used for multiple roles in this meta Doctor Who show and her character is nothing more than that?
Ah God, the golden tooth.. I seriously hope the Master isn’t “The One Who Waits” and it’s someone else. I have the biggest feeling that it’s possibly Missy.. just because I feel like the tooth is freed, so maybe the Master is free, now returning to the moniker of Missy in another female reincarnation. I think maybe this elderly woman showing up everywhere in space and time is The Queen of Time, which fits as the Doctor has us own title of Lord Temporal. This would the villain route, but the protagonistic route would maybe connect to the family and “foundling” themes, with maybe the big BIG twist being the Doctor finally has a sister, with Susan Twist playing BOTH of their mothers
I think Russell knows that with the internet, people like you are making videos looking at every detail, so the season arc bread crumbs will be picked up by more and more people. This is probably why none of it fits together yet, as an adjustment to us and our speculation. I don't think we have enough pieces yet.
I think Carol Ann Ford will be in the finale but only as a cameo not as a major player in the story, I think in the culmination of the "whose rubys mum arc?" The doctor will reevaluate how he abandoned Susan, and leave ruby in a "there something I need to do" way and the final scene is the doctor reuniting with Susan.
Ooh. So Susan Twist is not Susan but Susan's mother, the Doctor's daughter. And Ruby is in fact Susan. She regenerates into the brunette form and somehow gets dropped off to First Doctor to close the loop.
Susan is the doctors daughter not his original one but the one from clone machine with the fish people, since at the end we know shes alive but doesn't regenerate but heals after death doesnt mean she cant age?
Susan Twist could be Ruby Sunday from the future or Susan Foreman, The Doctor's granddaughter. The Master's tooth could have been picked up by The Rani.
I have heard this twice from two pod casters that the first Dr would meet again with Susan and both said he has not but he did meet up with her in The Five Doctors
And she and Eight reunited in the audios. She has not met with a Revival Doctor yet though, and after the Time War and the Master's genocide, imagine the impact that would have on the Doctor to learn she's alive.
What’s worth noticing in one of the teasers featuring David Bowie ‘Changes’, we see the Doctor in a brown monks outfit. We haven’t seen that shot yet, Very much doubt we’ll see it in Rogue as it’s a regency based ep. I definitely think she’s the meddling monk and we’ll see the doctor go overcover in the finale
Then Susan will Regenerate into varada … cos i cannot see them bring Susan back and not use her…. Imagine the dynamic of ncuti being her grandad but them being the same age … dynamics
This is a very cool theory but because that's from Moffat's era and Russell is now show runner I think he'd be hesitant to pick that story up again. Also it doesn't really fit the whole reboot aspect of the show (with this being season 1 to bring in a new audience) to have to re-explain a villain like that. I feel like The Trickster is much more easier to explain as a villain for this season, especially since we've already had explanations about The Pantheon and Chaotic situations this season.
@@ethanlawrence5502 The great intelligence was in the classica era i thought as well as it possessed people in the "the abominal snowmen" and "web of fear"
mavity, because the tardis compensation circuit thingy was turned off, hence the butterfly effect issue What else has the doctor done with that turned off?
Another thought: Susan added to Tech, Sutekh? Who is one of the three divine shields. Links to the Mal'akh, that come from folklore worlds that are not ours where time runs differently and can also change shape/ use illusion. Pyramids Of Mars link to triangle in Triad logo? Maybe held captive under UNIT HQ or a previous location of UNIT HQ if it has moved? Not too sure on that one.
Based on today's episode she must either be a time traveller or someone who doesn't age. Seeing she has a daughter who showed her true colours when she gave up Ricky makes me believe she's someone evil like The Master or The Meddling Monk
Something I just realised when watching this video which might help with the "guardian angel" theory. This is not the first time that we have seen someone popping up on someone's timeline constantly and always with the same purpose in different selves. If we remember back in Season 7's arc, Clara did the same thing with all of her selves having the same purpose to "save the Doctor" and this happened by the real Clara herself stepping into the Doctor's timestream on Trenzalore. What we have all seen from each time that we saw her even at "Wild Blue Yonder" (even though it wasn't directed at Ruby or the Doctor themselves) she is always there to help/guide people and wherever Ruby is at, most of her selves are always there to either care, protect or inform Ruby and the Doctor, or at some cases like in "73 yards" just Ruby herself. It's possible that whatever Ruby is, she has some sort of timestream open similarly to how the Doctor's timeline was like a "wound" and that like Clara's purpose to save the Doctor, her purpose could be to look after Ruby in anyway. The Church on Ruby Road: Giving a song suggestion or giving her something to play on the piano. Space Babies: Informing the Doctor and Ruby on what has happened to the crew. The Devil's Chord: She is there serving people with food and drinks behind Ruby and the Doctor. Boom: She's the *Ambulance* robot. *Ambulance* meaning Doctors/Nurses meaning protect and care. 73 Yards: Trying to help Ruby with her 73 yard woman problem. Dot and Bubble: *Caring* for her daughter like any other mother would. And currently: Rogue: As a portrait that the real Duchess has commented feeling like the eyes "follow her" wherever she goes. Could be a way of Guarding. This theory is a long shot but with what I have said, it is correct that we have seen something like this before and it's possible that we may be seeing it again today. One of my favourite theories made by others is that Ruby could potentially be the Trickster's child as that was the storyline for Season 5 in SJA if it had continued, and since both showrunners are the same person, it's possible that he may be trying to bring back that storyline and re-introducing the Trickster back into screens, this theory is another possible one as the Trickster is part of the Pantheon that is mentioned as describing the Toymaker and Maestro as well as he has been waiting for centuries to come back into the Universe and so would fit in to the "One who Waits" name.
5:56 one episode before Disney was that the Tardis turned into a human and was dieing but turned back to a Tardis in the end. I think it was the time where Matt Smith was the Dr and a blue petter competition was happening for that episode to make a Tardis interior out of home items. Good memories.
You’re referencing “The Doctor’s Wife” which was in either Series 5 or 6…having difficulty remembering which one exactly…but yes, was a Matt Smith ep featuring The Ponds…
Like to think Susan Twist is the Valeyard and the Doctor will be facing an evil version of himself. The Meddling Monk makes a lot of sense, as well as maybe the Black Guardian.
I reckon that she's got something to do with "The Boss", since the only other episode after The Star Beast to allude to that story arc has been The Giggle, and it just so happens that those are the only two episodes so far which don't feature her.
@jackaylward-williams9064 Not to mention she coincidentally started showing up the episode immediately after Meep said it'd tell the Boss about the Doctor.
maybe the flux erased people from the doctor and they are remembering or tardis projections of susan twist who cannot interfere only observe sadly unless susan has a time machine or a zingo then she is stuck after 2150 ad
I don’t think she is actually in any of the episodes. She was in boom a lot, instead of her usual cameos, which makes me wonder why a character would go out of their way to become an ai if they don’t want noticed. I think whoever she is, it’s some sort of perception filter, perhaps from the tardis, randomly putting her face on people who aren’t actually her, only affecting the doctor and ruby, and she won’t actually be the Susan triad character until the finale.
Also, with a bit of lexical mucking around, '73 Yards' can be read as 'TARDIS 3', if we substitute the number 7 for the letter 'T'. Okay, it's a stretch, but it's kind of there - ish.
I think she's Ruby's mum and The Doctors granddaughter making Ruby the Doctors great granddaughter. Oh, also maybe Mrs Flood is River. Based solely on the water connection.
I could see Susan Triad being the daughter of The Doctor and River Song. She looks enough like both River and the 12th incarnation of The Doctor to perhaps be their child, and wants to look out for her poppa.
I've seen a video that ties Ruby to the trickster it was supposed to have been part of the Sarah Jane adventures but with Elisabeth sladen dying they had put that script on hold
Everyone believes that Susan Twist is a returning character. What is she's just something entirely new to the audience? Though the TARDIS theory is fascinating.
I think her being the TARDIS makes a lot of sense. Susan Foreman being The One Who Waits also makes sense but, since Susan Twist (AKA Susan Triad) was antagonistic in Boom, I think it is unlikely that she will be Susan Foreman, unless Susan Foreman has become a villain.
One thing i will say, The Master's "remnant" has always been picked up by a woman's hand with red nails, so I don't necessarily think THAT was her (unless they are taking this new character back even further than this season)
15:12 she could also be the Rani, you know the time lady that gave the seventh doctor so much grief, Or the valeyard The guy that was said to be the dark side to the doctor in the sixth doctor era. stop me if I’m wrong but they have yet to turn up since 2005. Hell the Rani hasn’t been in it since 1988.
I am CONFIDENT that Susan Twist is a new incarnation of the Monk, there's quite a few things that make me feel this way and it does add up: Susan Twist's character clearly has a means of travelling through space and time implying she may have a TARDIS, and she seems to show up a lot where time has been meddled with (and this series seems to have a theme of changing time) so perhaps she has had more influence than we have been led to believe including with the Mavity thing! In Church on Ruby Road her character requested Gaudete which is a 16th century christmas carol and I also uncovered some interesting evidence recently... in Space Babies her character is Comms Officer Gina Scalzi. Why is this relevant? Well... the term "Scalzi" refers to the barefoot *monks* linked to the church known as "San Michele degli Scalzi" which dates back to the 11th Century. When did the Doctor first meet the Monk? In 1066, the *11th Century* So I feel pretty confident in my theory. But we'll see!
@friendlyotaku9525 we also know from Big Finish that the Monk is pottering around out there, and I'm fairly sure RTD (who has written for Big Finish) has said before that he considers the audios no less canon than the show. And The Star Beast showed he's willing to draw from the EU. To perhaps connect with a popular theory right now: maybe she's in the service of the Trickster? He offers to save the Monk from the Master's genocide, in exchange for putting their meddling to work as part of the Trickster's Brigade.
@@TheRantingCynic I don't think the Trickster has anything to do with this really. But I have no doubt some Time Lords managed to survive despite what the Doctor thinks, I definitely think others are out there!
The Doctor left Susan on Earth at the end of Dalek Invasion of Earth in the year 2150 (which aired in 1966). She was next in the Five Doctors where she was reunited with her Grandfather who presumably took her back to the time where she got time scooped but maybe she wanted to go somewhere else. Susan Twist's character doesn't seem to recognize anyone so I don't see her as a time traveler, although maybe she's playing herself because there's always a Twist at the end.
I just realized... sure S Triad rearranged spells TARDIS, but there's also something else from way back we may have missed. All the way back in Patrick Troughton's last episode The War Games an unnamed alien race led by the War Lord kidnap and brainwash soldiers from wars throughout Earth's history to fight in war games on another planet as part of the aliens' plot to conquer the galaxy. Each "game" involved people who thought they were on earth fighting in a war. However, some of the people in each "game" were really people working directly for the War Lord. Every "game" was monitored by the War Lord from a command center, and if anything went wrong in a game he'd dispatch his soldiers to the games using ships called "SIDRAT". SIDRAT were literally TARDISs but (as far as I remember) programed to only travel between the games. Susan Triad could be the War Lord or another member of his race.
So, sorry, its been years since I watched War Games. The War Chief provided the War Lords with the SIDRATs. He was a renegade Time Lord. So Susan Triad could be The War Lord, or the War Chief.
Kate is the one who picked up the tooth! If you rewatch 73 yards, when Kate appear and is trying to help Ruby, you can see her hand holding I think her phone for a moment and she has red nails exactly like the hand that picked up the tooth. So perhaps it was just Kate picking it up to put it in the vault and lock it away at UNIT?
Maybe she is Riversong? or maybe she is Ruby, in an older timeline that was my first idea, but then 73 Yards happened and I had to throw out that theory. My other idea was... maybe she is ruby's mother? who is picked up some time later by Dr Who and somehow gets into the past in various forms. I really hope it's Riversong!
My vote is red herring. Because RTD knows it will generate content and discussion. I mean, picture it he sees Susan twist on a casting sheet, how can he possibly pass up the opportunity.
About Susan Twist being Susan Foreman: it is unlikely to me because of some eighth doctor audio where he came back for her actually (heard in some video, don't ask me), although as evident with Beep the Meep this doesn't stop the timeline from contradicting itself.
i havent seen you say anything about Russel saying that she just an actor they liked and had to fill in small parts. its obviously not true but i feel like he knew that no one would fall for it so why did he say it???
Obviously, he's not going to give away spoilers for the finale, so why not have fun with his answers when people ask? Especially in interviews where flat out refusing to answer questions is kind of bad etiquette. Usually, in interviews, if people are asked about something that they can't mention, they make jokes, and obviously not true lies.
Susan was the one who gave the Tardis it's name, which she explains to Ian and Barbara back in an Unearthly Child. Back then the The Doctor always called it The Ship but until he started calling it The Tardis, a name Susan devised for it.
Susan Twist when playing the housekeeper of Newton could well be a product of the fantastical turn in Wild Blue Yonder, simply because the show is timey timey... isn’t it? Careful now, its easy to forget that when we see it in a linear manner, instead of a big ball of string.
I hope she has some connection to the Trickster because that would be incredible and maybe she's causing some sort of chaos for him. Also I do love the Meddling Monk, he is such a good villain and I would love to see him again because I have just finished the audio book with him in.
I've not been so hooked about a series throughline since series 5 and the crack in the universe! Really clever writing each episode to slowly build on the mystery of Susan. My theory: she isn't a time lord of a Gallifreyan, because RTD established in The Sound of Drums that he can feel it when a time lord is nearby (Chibnal did away with that with Spyfall but RTD is meticulous and will stick to his own rules) So I think she's a Not Thing/ member of the Toymakers 'legions'/ The Pantheon (I'm assuming they're all one and the same 'thing'). WBY is the earliest in history she's appeared and Boom is the latest so far (perhaps she's the God of Death?) I think either that, or she is a really smart Earth scientist who really is Susan Triad, developed all these incredible technologies that got sold off to various corporations (Villengard), and eventually established the Time Agency? Which is why she can go back and forth in time. It doesn't account for why she's following The Doctor and Ruby, Ruby's mysterious origins, and why she's the same age across time. Immortal? Also, side-theory: the Pantheon/ The Gods come from beyond the portal The Doctor is found under by Tecteun and they fell through it because The Doctor isn't just a Time Lord but is the God of Time and belongs alongside The Toymakers, Maestro, Maestro's son as Gods?
"It doesn't account for why she's following The Doctor and Ruby" It also doesn't account for why she had a white supremacist daughter who she loved and spoiled.
is interesting, Susan's name was mentioned in the near beginning, and the name Twist was mentioned, as part of the name of the song, at the end in the Devil's Chord. :)
Regarding Susan actually being Susan Foreman: Wasn't she the one who originally came up with the TARDIS acronym? Maybe she decided to use it as a pseudonym as an inside joke. "The One who Waits" immediately reminded me of "The Girl who Waited" but I doubt Amy Pond will be making an appearance any time soon.
12:59 Perhaps Ruby is the Doctor’s sister ( or some other relation) it’s not out of the realm of possibilities. I do also like this theory about Ruby’s mum
On that promo pic from the advert of Susan triad it appears over her shoulder like there are some storage containers that you would see in a filming studio …. Obviously we know legend of ruby Sunday is teased to be somthing to do with a tv show . Surely that’s gonna tie in and she been influencing a lot that’s gone on in ruby’s life but why ….
The only thing with the drs mother theory is that she would have to give us his name, and I don’t think we’ll ever find out what the drs name is until the franchise ends in the future.
The Susan Twist mystery is a bit of a weird one as for the most part The Doctor and Ruby are unaware of her presence and she seems oblivious to what is going on her around her in each of the stories she appears. Maybe Susan Triad is sending out a warning to The Doctor and Ruby as psychic projection implanting her image on various different people throughout time and is only starting to make an impression on Ruby and The Doctor. I suspect she maybe a central figure in the Time Agency who turns out to be the Doctors granddaughter.
My theory: this woman is Ruby's mom and she's trying to protect the Doctor & Ruby from the danger that made her give Ruby away. It'd be a deeper twist if Susan is the mother...explaining why the Doctor has always been so protective since Ruby's birth.
I think Susan all comes back to Ruby. I think Ruby may actually be part God of chaos but can't fully realize her powers until she dies and is released from her mortal coil that ties her to the laws of the universe (hence what happens at the end of 73 Yards). Susan Twist is either there as a guiding force to protect her, or is deliberately trying to lead the Doctor and Ruby into dangerous situations so she can die sooner. She may be a member of the Pantheon herself or simply a pawn planted by another member (like Mrs Flood perhaps?)
She appears in a few Big Finish audio adventures during the lost years, which are arguably canon (to the extent that Doctor Who ever followed canon very closely.)
@@twincitiestara ty had no idea, i have seen some re runs of it, but i do feel maybe she should return, i had hoped when they said the line Y A N A ...you are not alone, it would of been her, or she would of been catherine tate but alas no
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My theory: RTD saw her name and thought "It would drive people nuts if I put a 'twist' in every episode".
Exactly my thoughts 😂 I’d love it if that were the case.
Yes! If it’s just this, and nothing else, while we are all breaking our brains and coming up with theories about this, I’m going to laugh so hard. RTD would be an absolute genius for this 😂
I mean theres always a twist at the end
@@janer21333 she’s revealed to be the anthropomorphic personification of red herrings
Susan Twist IS the MASTER! All will be revealed in the last episode. 😂
Susan Twist is a bloody good actor and has fallen into these roles perfectly. There's definitely a reason why she's there, and I'm loving all these guesses why she's here. I really love RTDs style of writing.
She really blew me away in 73 yards. Not my favorite episode, but when she ran way it actually gave me chills haha
I think it speaks to RTD’s skill as writer/showrunner that so many of these theories sound plausible based on clues (and potential red herrings) we’ve been given. They can’t all be true, but each has its reasons.
I think she's bloody awful actor
His mother
Missie
Dont forget that Gaudete had a huge resurgence in the 70s in the UK and Susan Twist was dressed like a hippy in that episode
Yes, hit for Steeleye Span.
Yes, her outfit was really odd for that setting, so probably a meaningful costuming choice.
He is too young to remember that. I was a child back then and I didn't remember them. Only hearing the track on a Christmas album brought them to my attention.
@@MSHarvey_Lyricsmith fair enough! Hopefully he figures it out soon.
@@bennettnez4711 Actually. looking at the release year for the track, it was 1972.
Season 9 had been shown so maybe one of the stories from that season will give a clue to the UNIT secret from the era of the Third Doctor.
I hope it is the Time Monster apparatus which is held by UNIT. The Day of the Daleks might also be relevant, or the Sea Devils.
“Anything off the trolley, dears?” 😂😂🤣
Wait, is she the trolley lady??
My current theory is this
Susan Twists character is going to be publicly introducing time travel (tardis) technology to the public. Thats going off the news banner that says “s triad technology announced” (TARDIS technology announced). It’s kinda similar to one of the latest arcs in a light novel series called A certain magical index where the villian of the arc starts selling the secrets of magic (something which no one in the city ever thought was real) to everyone in the city which in turn completely breaks the foundations of everything.
So it’s up to the doctor to stop Susan Twists character from selling it. But how does she have access to the technology and knowledge? Since she appears in WBY before the salt incident it’s makes it semi clear that’s she’s not a member of the pantheon or anything like that. Which means how else is she appearing in all these different time periods? Time travel. Presumably testing the technology and keeping an eye on the doctor. Almost like she’s trying to get his attention… in two out of the four episodes so far it’s been the doctor who’s just missed noticing her (DC and 73 Yards) if the doctor had never been zapped away in 73 yards he would have bumped right into her so in my eyes it’s less of the doctor is conveniently missing her and more of Susan is trying to get subtly get his attention but keeps missing him.
So if we assume Susan twist is testing her technology and trying subtly get the attention of the doctor, who really is she?
Given the hints of :
A)Not a member of the pantheon (probs)
B)concurring theme of family this entire season
C)Knowledge about the tardis
In my opinion it’s mostly likely going to be Susan. Her goals in selling the technology could be an attempt to get the doctor to come back or it could perhaps could even be that she was tricked/made a deal with the trickster. Thats just my theory anyway
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That's a very cool theory
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I've always had this head canon that the reason The Doctor spends so much time on Earth is so he could keep it safe for Susan
Also, re: the anagram in the name, don’t forget in An Unearthly, Susan revealed she came up with the name TARDIS.
That may get retconned since that was before the doctor being a time lord from Gallifrey was established. And we know the existence of TARDISes goes back far beyond the first Doctor
@@SinisterPixel i mean she could time travel and tell somone
@@SinisterPixel They were also called Time cabinets. I htink the point was susan inventd the English term.
@@AdamBlackThat is exactly my interpretation. Gallifreyans used the word TT capsules, too. When the translation circuit translated the Gallifreyan full name into "Time and Relative Dimension In Space" into 20th century English, Susan made up the acronym TARDIS as the original Gallifreyans also used since acronym.
Either that or Susan comes from the Doctor's pre-Hartnell life as suggested in Lungbarrow.
Perhaps a combination. She is Ruby’s Mum, but she is also Susan, meaning Ruby is the Doctors Great grand daughter!
Something has clicked I haven't heard anyone mention. Susan Twist is splintered through time like Scaroth in City of Death. The final two parter is called Empire of Death. Maybe Susan Twist harnesses a similar time experiment like in the episode city of Death, which like Scaroth, results in her splintered through time.
True. I've been assuming this is how the Clara thing worked.
But so was the Great Intelligence. ( splintered) and Ive heard no one point out the obvious: there is one character in Who that can manifest snow.... Great Intelligence.
@@AdamBlackoh my god... I never thought of the G.I.!
Possible important info: In 73 yards Susan Twist was headed in the direction of the TARDIS. Without the woman to scare her off (in other words, now our timeline) she would have found it.
Possibly, but Ruby had already been walking for awhile and likely didn't just go in a straight line.
When I rewatched the Giggle, the only character that wore red nail polish. Was Kate Lethbrigde-Stewart. She was also wearing it, in 73 yards.
We keep assuming the Susan Twist character is following the TARDIS but it maybe the reverse
Creating a trail/bait for the TARDIS to follow? An interesting angle.
I like your thinking, and remember the TARDIS has been split in 'The Giggle'
She is the long unseen Granddaughter Susan. The Doctor foreshadowed it in the first episode this season. He is back at last!
Mrs Flood ( Anita Dobson) looks similar to the actress who played the original Susan, Susan Twist’s characters don’t.
@@babs5968regeneration?
Yes makes sense if so but nothing in the original series suggested Susan Ford could regenerate,
@@babs5968 nothing denies it either. All depends on RTD's willingness to define canon.
The idea of heralds has come up a couple of times this series. First we had Harbinger for Maestro, then we had the villagers in 73 Yards jokingly suggest the old woman was a herald for Mad Jack. Is it possible she's the herald for the One Who Waits?
Susan Triad Technologies
=>Sue Tech = Sutekh
I think she’s Sutekhs Harbinger, hope I’m right
@@FistusFantasticus The synopsis for The Legend of Ruby Sunday mentions that "the mysterious Triad Technology unleash the greatest evil of all." So whether intentionally or accidentally, it definitely seems they're paving the way for something. And I think your idea is a good one - Sutekh would certainly be a worthy candidate for "greatest evil" (Fenric or The Beast others), especially if unleashed.
@@TheRantingCynic Aaaaand we know that Russel loves to play with words like „YANA“
The hand is Kate! In 73 yards she was painting her nails the same color as the hand we see grabbing the compressed master
We also see her red nails in the giggle episode before the final scene.
But it could be a call back to the last of the time lords, and the end of time look at the hand that picked up the masters ring
I think maybe Susan is the doctor's daughter Jenny. The one played by Georgia Tennant who flew off to explore the universe
One of my theories for who the actress Susan Twist is playing is that she is actually playing an actress. Long explanation, sorry lol. There’s a theory out there, with the multiple times the fourth wall has been broken and how ‘The Legend of Ruby Sunday’ seems to be a TV show that the whole of the new season of Doctor Who has somehow been the doctor in a TV series and he will find out he’s in a TV series. Could the Twist of Susan’s character be she plays an actor that is used for multiple roles in this meta Doctor Who show and her character is nothing more than that?
That was my theory too. Some sort of Truman show type thing. Maybe the pantheon of gods are watching and toying with the doctors life in some way.
Ralph Bohner tier sorry
Land of Fiction anyone?
Ah God, the golden tooth.. I seriously hope the Master isn’t “The One Who Waits” and it’s someone else. I have the biggest feeling that it’s possibly Missy.. just because I feel like the tooth is freed, so maybe the Master is free, now returning to the moniker of Missy in another female reincarnation.
I think maybe this elderly woman showing up everywhere in space and time is The Queen of Time, which fits as the Doctor has us own title of Lord Temporal. This would the villain route, but the protagonistic route would maybe connect to the family and “foundling” themes, with maybe the big BIG twist being the Doctor finally has a sister, with Susan Twist playing BOTH of their mothers
No, he can't. The Toymaker says that he defeated the Master, but he fears the One Who Waits as the only one he never played games with.
Remember that not every Gallifreyan is a Time Lord.
Astrid Peck was and anagram of Tardis too, and remember what happened to her. Also maybe Susan is "the Watcher" from Logopolis
Susan Twist's Character is Susan Foreman and she's also Ruby's Mum. Basically keeping on eye on her Grandfather and Daughter.
I think Russell knows that with the internet, people like you are making videos looking at every detail, so the season arc bread crumbs will be picked up by more and more people. This is probably why none of it fits together yet, as an adjustment to us and our speculation. I don't think we have enough pieces yet.
I think Carol Ann Ford will be in the finale but only as a cameo not as a major player in the story, I think in the culmination of the "whose rubys mum arc?" The doctor will reevaluate how he abandoned Susan, and leave ruby in a "there something I need to do" way and the final scene is the doctor reuniting with Susan.
Ooh. So Susan Twist is not Susan but Susan's mother, the Doctor's daughter. And Ruby is in fact Susan. She regenerates into the brunette form and somehow gets dropped off to First Doctor to close the loop.
Susan is the doctors daughter not his original one but the one from clone machine with the fish people, since at the end we know shes alive but doesn't regenerate but heals after death doesnt mean she cant age?
Same hand picked up the master's ring after his funeral pyre
Susan Twist could be Ruby Sunday from the future or Susan Foreman, The Doctor's granddaughter. The Master's tooth could have been picked up by The Rani.
We've seen Ruby as an old woman already in 73 yards. Also it's not the master's tooth, it's the toymaker's. The Master was just sealed inside
I reckon itll be a clara oswald type thing, but itd be great if she was the medsling monk
I have heard this twice from two pod casters that the first Dr would meet again with Susan and both said he has not but he did meet up with her in The Five Doctors
And she and Eight reunited in the audios. She has not met with a Revival Doctor yet though, and after the Time War and the Master's genocide, imagine the impact that would have on the Doctor to learn she's alive.
What’s worth noticing in one of the teasers featuring David Bowie ‘Changes’, we see the Doctor in a brown monks outfit.
We haven’t seen that shot yet, Very much doubt we’ll see it in Rogue as it’s a regency based ep.
I definitely think she’s the meddling monk and we’ll see the doctor go overcover in the finale
Yo. My theory is in there! Let’s go
I love ur ‘there’s always a twist at the end’ motif in all ur videos ❤
Then Susan will Regenerate into varada … cos i cannot see them bring Susan back and not use her…. Imagine the dynamic of ncuti being her grandad but them being the same age … dynamics
I still think The Great Intelligence - split across The Doctor's timeline and associated with snow! 😊
Yes I have said exact same thing especially recently there was an episode ended with a snow flake as final shot very reminiscent of the snowmen
Flood could be an older Clara echo too that would be pretty cool
This is a very cool theory but because that's from Moffat's era and Russell is now show runner I think he'd be hesitant to pick that story up again. Also it doesn't really fit the whole reboot aspect of the show (with this being season 1 to bring in a new audience) to have to re-explain a villain like that. I feel like The Trickster is much more easier to explain as a villain for this season, especially since we've already had explanations about The Pantheon and Chaotic situations this season.
@@ethanlawrence5502 The great intelligence was in the classica era i thought as well as it possessed people in the "the abominal snowmen" and "web of fear"
and if it is a regeneration of the doctor
mavity, because the tardis compensation circuit thingy was turned off, hence the butterfly effect issue
What else has the doctor done with that turned off?
Another thought: Susan added to Tech, Sutekh? Who is one of the three divine shields. Links to the Mal'akh, that come from folklore worlds that are not ours where time runs differently and can also change shape/ use illusion. Pyramids Of Mars link to triangle in Triad logo? Maybe held captive under UNIT HQ or a previous location of UNIT HQ if it has moved? Not too sure on that one.
Kate has red nails in 73 Yards
Based on today's episode she must either be a time traveller or someone who doesn't age. Seeing she has a daughter who showed her true colours when she gave up Ricky makes me believe she's someone evil like The Master or The Meddling Monk
I really hope they don’t recast Susan. I’ll be really angry if they done that. The actor is still alive, come on Russell
Doesn’t mean she wants to come back though
@@oatymilkshakeShe did an interview early last year where she said she'd love to return, and had expressed interest before then as well.
My thought was that in 'BOOM' she stole a tardis key and then she used that to unlock time travel and is trying to become a time lord herself. But idk
This Susan twist showed up way before Ruby did, so can't be nothing to do with Ruby,would make no dollar, or make no sense
In fact she started showing up immediately the next episode from The Meep saying it'd tell "The Boss" about the Doctor... An interesting coincidence.
Something I just realised when watching this video which might help with the "guardian angel" theory. This is not the first time that we have seen someone popping up on someone's timeline constantly and always with the same purpose in different selves.
If we remember back in Season 7's arc, Clara did the same thing with all of her selves having the same purpose to "save the Doctor" and this happened by the real Clara herself stepping into the Doctor's timestream on Trenzalore. What we have all seen from each time that we saw her even at "Wild Blue Yonder" (even though it wasn't directed at Ruby or the Doctor themselves) she is always there to help/guide people and wherever Ruby is at, most of her selves are always there to either care, protect or inform Ruby and the Doctor, or at some cases like in "73 yards" just Ruby herself. It's possible that whatever Ruby is, she has some sort of timestream open similarly to how the Doctor's timeline was like a "wound" and that like Clara's purpose to save the Doctor, her purpose could be to look after Ruby in anyway.
The Church on Ruby Road: Giving a song suggestion or giving her something to play on the piano.
Space Babies: Informing the Doctor and Ruby on what has happened to the crew.
The Devil's Chord: She is there serving people with food and drinks behind Ruby and the Doctor.
Boom: She's the *Ambulance* robot. *Ambulance* meaning Doctors/Nurses meaning protect and care.
73 Yards: Trying to help Ruby with her 73 yard woman problem.
Dot and Bubble: *Caring* for her daughter like any other mother would.
And currently:
Rogue: As a portrait that the real Duchess has commented feeling like the eyes "follow her" wherever she goes. Could be a way of Guarding.
This theory is a long shot but with what I have said, it is correct that we have seen something like this before and it's possible that we may be seeing it again today.
One of my favourite theories made by others is that Ruby could potentially be the Trickster's child as that was the storyline for Season 5 in SJA if it had continued, and since both showrunners are the same person, it's possible that he may be trying to bring back that storyline and re-introducing the Trickster back into screens, this theory is another possible one as the Trickster is part of the Pantheon that is mentioned as describing the Toymaker and Maestro as well as he has been waiting for centuries to come back into the Universe and so would fit in to the "One who Waits" name.
You seem like you are such a great guy and you are so good at presenting, I honestly wish you the best.
5:56 one episode before Disney was that the Tardis turned into a human and was dieing but turned back to a Tardis in the end. I think it was the time where Matt Smith was the Dr and a blue petter competition was happening for that episode to make a Tardis interior out of home items. Good memories.
You’re referencing “The Doctor’s Wife” which was in either Series 5 or 6…having difficulty remembering which one exactly…but yes, was a Matt Smith ep featuring The Ponds…
In The Doctor's Wife episode, that place was at the edge of the universe.
Like to think Susan Twist is the Valeyard and the Doctor will be facing an evil version of himself. The Meddling Monk makes a lot of sense, as well as maybe the Black Guardian.
Susan already reunited with the doctor in The Five Doctors.
And in a Big Finnish story along with her son.
I reckon that she's got something to do with "The Boss", since the only other episode after The Star Beast to allude to that story arc has been The Giggle, and it just so happens that those are the only two episodes so far which don't feature her.
@jackaylward-williams9064 Not to mention she coincidentally started showing up the episode immediately after Meep said it'd tell the Boss about the Doctor.
Gaudete a UK chart entry for Steeleye Span Christmas 1973. Not as obscure as you think.
Mrs flood could be a grandchild of river song.
Flood or triad could be jenny or Ashildr.
Susan Twist is Susan Foreman. She named the Tardis the Tardis. Also the doctor's own grand daughter being against him would break him
maybe the flux erased people from the doctor and they are remembering or tardis projections of susan twist who cannot interfere only observe sadly unless susan has a time machine or a zingo then she is stuck after 2150 ad
I don’t think she is actually in any of the episodes. She was in boom a lot, instead of her usual cameos, which makes me wonder why a character would go out of their way to become an ai if they don’t want noticed. I think whoever she is, it’s some sort of perception filter, perhaps from the tardis, randomly putting her face on people who aren’t actually her, only affecting the doctor and ruby, and she won’t actually be the Susan triad character until the finale.
Also, with a bit of lexical mucking around, '73 Yards' can be read as 'TARDIS 3', if we substitute the number 7 for the letter 'T'. Okay, it's a stretch, but it's kind of there - ish.
I think she's Ruby's mum and The Doctors granddaughter making Ruby the Doctors great granddaughter. Oh, also maybe Mrs Flood is River. Based solely on the water connection.
I’m not 100% it’s Susan. I don’t think Russel would name Susan from the 60’s Susan now. It would give it away so easily
I could see Susan Triad being the daughter of The Doctor and River Song. She looks enough like both River and the 12th incarnation of The Doctor to perhaps be their child, and wants to look out for her poppa.
Nope I think Ruby is the doctor and River daughter. O-wait River and Doctor spent 14 years on derleceim
@@nickfielding568524 years
The way she behaved in Boom as an ambulance makes me exclude this interpretation.
@@nickfielding5685they spent 24 years on Darillium.
I've seen a video that ties Ruby to the trickster it was supposed to have been part of the Sarah Jane adventures but with Elisabeth sladen dying they had put that script on hold
Thanks for such an informative video.
All hail the Algorithm
I'm on board with a good mystery myself.
What was the title of your fan film you wrote of the 'evil' meddling monk?
A triad is a group of people. A Susan Triad is the group of people played by Susan Twist.
Triad of people is only three people (unless you are talking about the Chinese mafia group).
Everyone believes that Susan Twist is a returning character. What is she's just something entirely new to the audience? Though the TARDIS theory is fascinating.
I think her being the TARDIS makes a lot of sense. Susan Foreman being The One Who Waits also makes sense but, since Susan Twist (AKA Susan Triad) was antagonistic in Boom, I think it is unlikely that she will be Susan Foreman, unless Susan Foreman has become a villain.
One thing i will say, The Master's "remnant" has always been picked up by a woman's hand with red nails, so I don't necessarily think THAT was her (unless they are taking this new character back even further than this season)
15:12 she could also be the Rani, you know the time lady that gave the seventh doctor so much grief, Or the valeyard The guy that was said to be the dark side to the doctor in the sixth doctor era. stop me if I’m wrong but they have yet to turn up since 2005. Hell the Rani hasn’t been in it since 1988.
❤❤❤❤ she played a character in brookside
I am CONFIDENT that Susan Twist is a new incarnation of the Monk, there's quite a few things that make me feel this way and it does add up: Susan Twist's character clearly has a means of travelling through space and time implying she may have a TARDIS, and she seems to show up a lot where time has been meddled with (and this series seems to have a theme of changing time) so perhaps she has had more influence than we have been led to believe including with the Mavity thing! In Church on Ruby Road her character requested Gaudete which is a 16th century christmas carol and I also uncovered some interesting evidence recently... in Space Babies her character is Comms Officer Gina Scalzi. Why is this relevant? Well... the term "Scalzi" refers to the barefoot *monks* linked to the church known as "San Michele degli Scalzi" which dates back to the 11th Century. When did the Doctor first meet the Monk? In 1066, the *11th Century*
So I feel pretty confident in my theory. But we'll see!
@friendlyotaku9525 we also know from Big Finish that the Monk is pottering around out there, and I'm fairly sure RTD (who has written for Big Finish) has said before that he considers the audios no less canon than the show. And The Star Beast showed he's willing to draw from the EU.
To perhaps connect with a popular theory right now: maybe she's in the service of the Trickster? He offers to save the Monk from the Master's genocide, in exchange for putting their meddling to work as part of the Trickster's Brigade.
@@TheRantingCynic I don't think the Trickster has anything to do with this really. But I have no doubt some Time Lords managed to survive despite what the Doctor thinks, I definitely think others are out there!
The Doctor left Susan on Earth at the end of Dalek Invasion of Earth in the year 2150 (which aired in 1966). She was next in the Five Doctors where she was reunited with her Grandfather who presumably took her back to the time where she got time scooped but maybe she wanted to go somewhere else. Susan Twist's character doesn't seem to recognize anyone so I don't see her as a time traveler, although maybe she's playing herself because there's always a Twist at the end.
I just realized... sure S Triad rearranged spells TARDIS, but there's also something else from way back we may have missed. All the way back in Patrick Troughton's last episode The War Games an unnamed alien race led by the War Lord kidnap and brainwash soldiers from wars throughout Earth's history to fight in war games on another planet as part of the aliens' plot to conquer the galaxy.
Each "game" involved people who thought they were on earth fighting in a war. However, some of the people in each "game" were really people working directly for the War Lord. Every "game" was monitored by the War Lord from a command center, and if anything went wrong in a game he'd dispatch his soldiers to the games using ships called "SIDRAT". SIDRAT were literally TARDISs but (as far as I remember) programed to only travel between the games.
Susan Triad could be the War Lord or another member of his race.
@ryangottlieb9939 I don't remember about the other War Lords, but wasn't the War Chief a renegade Time Lord?
The War Chief was a Time Lord. Also, the Time Lords apparently sentenced him to death for his crimes.
So, sorry, its been years since I watched War Games. The War Chief provided the War Lords with the SIDRATs. He was a renegade Time Lord. So Susan Triad could be The War Lord, or the War Chief.
Kate is the one who picked up the tooth!
If you rewatch 73 yards, when Kate appear and is trying to help Ruby, you can see her hand holding I think her phone for a moment and she has red nails exactly like the hand that picked up the tooth. So perhaps it was just Kate picking it up to put it in the vault and lock it away at UNIT?
Maybe she is Riversong? or maybe she is Ruby, in an older timeline that was my first idea, but then 73 Yards happened and I had to throw out that theory. My other idea was... maybe she is ruby's mother? who is picked up some time later by Dr Who and somehow gets into the past in various forms. I really hope it's Riversong!
My vote is red herring. Because RTD knows it will generate content and discussion. I mean, picture it he sees Susan twist on a casting sheet, how can he possibly pass up the opportunity.
About Susan Twist being Susan Foreman: it is unlikely to me because of some eighth doctor audio where he came back for her actually (heard in some video, don't ask me), although as evident with Beep the Meep this doesn't stop the timeline from contradicting itself.
i havent seen you say anything about Russel saying that she just an actor they liked and had to fill in small parts. its obviously not true but i feel like he knew that no one would fall for it so why did he say it???
Obviously, he's not going to give away spoilers for the finale, so why not have fun with his answers when people ask? Especially in interviews where flat out refusing to answer questions is kind of bad etiquette. Usually, in interviews, if people are asked about something that they can't mention, they make jokes, and obviously not true lies.
Heres the thing about triads as well, they are 3 notes, is that to say that susan twist is playing a character that is one of 3?
Susan was the one who gave the Tardis it's name, which she explains to Ian and Barbara back in an Unearthly Child. Back then the The Doctor always called it The Ship but until he started calling it The Tardis, a name Susan devised for it.
Susan Twist when playing the housekeeper of Newton could well be a product of the fantastical turn in Wild Blue Yonder, simply because the show is timey timey... isn’t it? Careful now, its easy to forget that when we see it in a linear manner, instead of a big ball of string.
When the tardis makes the funny noise the doctor looks at Ruby for a split second like he's already figuring it out
@frankhughes7551 It makes the same noise in Wild Blue Yonder. The script even indicates it'll come back to bite the Doctor down the line.
@@TheRantingCynic And? Did I say anything to make you think I also don't know that
@@Rumple108 Not at all 🙂
I hope she has some connection to the Trickster because that would be incredible and maybe she's causing some sort of chaos for him. Also I do love the Meddling Monk, he is such a good villain and I would love to see him again because I have just finished the audio book with him in.
I've not been so hooked about a series throughline since series 5 and the crack in the universe! Really clever writing each episode to slowly build on the mystery of Susan.
My theory: she isn't a time lord of a Gallifreyan, because RTD established in The Sound of Drums that he can feel it when a time lord is nearby (Chibnal did away with that with Spyfall but RTD is meticulous and will stick to his own rules)
So I think she's a Not Thing/ member of the Toymakers 'legions'/ The Pantheon (I'm assuming they're all one and the same 'thing'). WBY is the earliest in history she's appeared and Boom is the latest so far (perhaps she's the God of Death?)
I think either that, or she is a really smart Earth scientist who really is Susan Triad, developed all these incredible technologies that got sold off to various corporations (Villengard), and eventually established the Time Agency? Which is why she can go back and forth in time.
It doesn't account for why she's following The Doctor and Ruby, Ruby's mysterious origins, and why she's the same age across time. Immortal?
Also, side-theory: the Pantheon/ The Gods come from beyond the portal The Doctor is found under by Tecteun and they fell through it because The Doctor isn't just a Time Lord but is the God of Time and belongs alongside The Toymakers, Maestro, Maestro's son as Gods?
"It doesn't account for why she's following The Doctor and Ruby" It also doesn't account for why she had a white supremacist daughter who she loved and spoiled.
I hope its not Susan coz of how obvious it'd be
is interesting, Susan's name was mentioned in the near beginning, and the name Twist was mentioned, as part of the name of the song, at the end in the Devil's Chord. :)
She’s Ruby’s Mom, and The One Who Waits
Also in 73 yards, Kate had red nails so she might have picked up the tooth
It can’t be Ruby’s mum surely? Because didn’t she show up before episodes with Ruby in them?
@michaelnesbitt She did. The immediate next episode after Meep said it was going to tell "The Boss" about the Doctor, in fact.
Regarding Susan actually being Susan Foreman: Wasn't she the one who originally came up with the TARDIS acronym? Maybe she decided to use it as a pseudonym as an inside joke. "The One who Waits" immediately reminded me of "The Girl who Waited" but I doubt Amy Pond will be making an appearance any time soon.
12:59
Perhaps Ruby is the Doctor’s sister ( or some other relation) it’s not out of the realm of possibilities.
I do also like this theory about Ruby’s mum
On that promo pic from the advert of Susan triad it appears over her shoulder like there are some storage containers that you would see in a filming studio …. Obviously we know legend of ruby Sunday is teased to be somthing to do with a tv show . Surely that’s gonna tie in and she been influencing a lot that’s gone on in ruby’s life but why ….
that's a hello grandad. i think.
The only thing with the drs mother theory is that she would have to give us his name, and I don’t think we’ll ever find out what the drs name is until the franchise ends in the future.
7:18 what a chance to suggest a triad of Susans?
8:56 is that the same hand that picked up the golden tooth?
The nails are the right length, but the hand picking up the tooth looks younger and smoother. Could be an in-universe reason for that, though.
FYI, the doctor has reunited with Susan in Big Finish stories, as the 8th doctor.
The Susan Twist mystery is a bit of a weird one as for the most part The Doctor and Ruby are unaware of her presence and she seems oblivious to what is going on her around her in each of the stories she appears. Maybe Susan Triad is sending out a warning to The Doctor and Ruby as psychic projection implanting her image on various different people throughout time and is only starting to make an impression on Ruby and The Doctor. I suspect she maybe a central figure in the Time Agency who turns out to be the Doctors granddaughter.
The picture of Susan Triad on the magazine always looks like Nancy Pelosi to me 😂
I think she's the master or Ruby's mum
My theory: this woman is Ruby's mom and she's trying to protect the Doctor & Ruby from the danger that made her give Ruby away. It'd be a deeper twist if Susan is the mother...explaining why the Doctor has always been so protective since Ruby's birth.
I think Susan all comes back to Ruby. I think Ruby may actually be part God of chaos but can't fully realize her powers until she dies and is released from her mortal coil that ties her to the laws of the universe (hence what happens at the end of 73 Yards). Susan Twist is either there as a guiding force to protect her, or is deliberately trying to lead the Doctor and Ruby into dangerous situations so she can die sooner.
She may be a member of the Pantheon herself or simply a pawn planted by another member (like Mrs Flood perhaps?)
I theorize mystery woman, SUSAN TWIST, who keeps appearing in different eras, might be an ancient, genuine Good Goddess in disguise.
also romana from e space we never saw her return
She appears in a few Big Finish audio adventures during the lost years, which are arguably canon (to the extent that Doctor Who ever followed canon very closely.)
@@twincitiestara ty had no idea, i have seen some re runs of it, but i do feel maybe she should return, i had hoped when they said the line Y A N A ...you are not alone, it would of been her, or she would of been catherine tate but alas no