This entire album is available as a total concert show...it is fantastic...you'll see and hear the woman who plays Mary on stage...this is my fave album of all time.
The vocalist playing Sister Mary is Pamela Moore. She's the cousin of Terri Nunn (lead singer of the band Berlin). She has an amazing body of work (which you can find on her RUclips channel).
I saw Queensryche twice back in the 80s. They're just as good live as they are on the album. I'm loving taking the Mindcrime journey again. You might enjoy watching/listening to the Live Crime version when you're finished with Mindcrime. Cheers
@24:04 "listen to that note! That's not a natural note" - as someone who has seen Geoff Tate sing this song live numerous, yes, yes it is a natural note and he sings it live. He's that good.
You are so right. I've seen them live MANY times, and they are all the real deal! Geoff can duplicate live anything he does in the studio. He IS that good. Along with the rest of the band. Theirs are arguably the best live performances I've ever seen!
@@purplekat5864 The Building Empires Tour, when they played this entire album (Livecrime) back in '91 was the best concert I've ever seen. I was blown away by how amazing they sounded live. Seen then a dozen times since and Tate never disappoints. He always sounds incredible. Makes every other singer sound like an amatuer live lol
@@rbrebrook (huge smile) You speak the truth! Also, Geoff has fantastic tonal quality and never "screams" the high notes, he sings them. He has amazing control over his voice, but at the same time is very expressive with it. And the power and intensity with which he sings is rather awe-inspiring. Even looking at the earliest videos of the band, Geoff always seemed very relaxed and at home on stage. Just a natural performer. As everyone knows, he's pretty active onstage (signature twirls). I don't know how he sings as well as he does with all that running back and forth, but to see him in interviews, and talking to him in person, he's very calm and non-fidgety, with a soft, low voice. Such a nut-ball of opposites! Love him! We tend to focus on Geoff, being the frontman, but the rest of the guys are no slouches either!! Sorry to be so gushy, but after all these years, I find the power of their music still strong.
Yes It is possible I have it on my RUclips under Marlachu it is possible To do . I am not a singer I just love this song and have a good set of lungs even though I damaged them using oven cleaner by accident but go check it out and you can see someone hold a note that long . Geoff Tate is my favorite singer even though I play drums but I can't help singing along .
@@marcsorensen1184 I didn't know that, cool! I saw the video, pissed I missed the show, I was in Europe. She and Geoff were just as amazing as they were in '88! 🔥🤘😠🤘🔥
Don’t know if you’re interested, but you can watch this entire album in concert if you watch Operation:Livecrime and get the visuals of them performing, plus a movie playing in the background telling the story. And yes, Geoff 100% hits that “natural” note everytime. Damn I loved your vids. Excellent job!!
goosebumps every time, the way he says i see myself in you and the way pamela moore and geoff tates voice match and compliment each other so perfectly, so well done
It just occurred to me why you thought Mary was the nurse from the opening - in the UK nurses are, or were, often nuns. Is that right? A year on I don't have to worry about spoilers, so Mary was also recruited to the Operation, and Nikki obviously fell in love with her. Dr. X also thought she and the priest knew too much. In the live show, you can see that he's trying to resist the brainwashing he was under (whenever he hears the code word Mindcrime he does whatever he's told). It's never revealed exactly how she died - until the 2007 live show at the Moore! I highly recommend it, so cool, Geoff sounds just as amazing! The first scene is present day, and the whole album is a flashback, and it's still EPIC! 🔥🤘😠🤘🔥💜💜💜
Not effects, Tommy. I’ve seen them live twice and they are extraordinary. So much fun watching you discover Queensryche. I’ve always loved “The Lady Wore Black.” It’s a deep track.
Good Gawd this has been a fantastic week. When this is all done take an hour and change then listen beginning to end. You'll walk away thinking what the fck did i just listen to. The visuals the audibles the story will be burned into your head forever. That's a good thing. My christening was 32 years ago. Remember it like it was yesterday.
he has carved the message into his own arm while coming off heroine, "now every time i'm weak, words scream from my arm" "don't ever trust a needle IT LIES"
As a huge fan of this band I can't tell ya how awesome of a find this was--seeing someone enjoying and really listening to this album is so awesome. It's a masterpiece album. I hope you return to it again once you hopefully solve the mystery hehe..enjoy!
It was worth it. Great reaction. That was the masterpiece but still some heavy hitters to come. Good insight into Dr X being no different to the people he’s trying to overthrow. It’s always the way - the ideologies are different but those at the top are always the winners.
The singer (Geoff Tate) conceived this whole story while sitting in a Catholic church in Canada. He had to convince the rest of the band to do this album.
Getting myself prepared...sippin' drink, check...smoker, check...headphones charged, check. Okay, I'm ready...time to rock; see y'all on the other side 🤘
A couple extra pieces of context - 1) remember when this was made Suite Sister Mary was the end of side one and The Needle Lies was the opener of side two so coming off the big epic theatrical Suite Sister Mary The Needle Lies needed to be a fast paced kicker of a song as the side two opener. And 2) when the album was written there was a whole issue of rebels against communists, particularly in South America (which was and is still highly Catholic which ties in to the whole priest nun thing) being paid by the US government and partially tied in with drugs being brought in to the US to fund it. It’s not a specifically laid out connection in the album but at the time it came out most of those connections- anti US government feelings, drugs, and religion- were connections that anyone watching world news could have made.
I always interpreted it as Dr. X exploited Mary's weaknesses just as he exploited Nikki's weaknesses. Hence the "I see myself in you, parallel lives" line. Suite Sister Mary? Critical, but my faves are The Needle Lies, Waiting for 22, and The Eyes of a Stranger.
There is an homage to it in a manga, can't remember if it is Battle Angel Alita or Ghost In The Shell where graffiti with those words is written on a wall.
The song Suite Sister Mary is most reminiscent of the entirety of the both the "Rage For Order" album from 1986 and the "Promised Land" album from 1994 in terms of the dark, mood, vibe and overall sound that it sets, which were imo their 2 best albums.
I remember the first time I heard this it was on cassette and Suite Sister Mary was the last track on side 1. I vividly remember flipping it and saying to my friend, “Holy Crap. How can side 2 top that?!?” One of the greatest albums ever turned. Very happy you are doing the whole thing; piecemeal would be a shame. You have a new subscriber
I'm very happy to be on this journey with you...I remember being so blown away by this album when I was in high school (yes, when it came out...yes, I'm old) :) Watching you discover it, learning the details as the story unfolds - it's like hearing it again for the first time...and it's just such a musically brilliant album! Of course, it meant the eventual downfall of Queensryche...how could they hope to put out anything even close to this masterpiece afterward? They couldn't...and they didn't...they tried with Mindcrime II but it wasn't very good. But this album will always be one of the best concept albums of all time, along with one of the best metal-ish albums ever. So glad you're enjoying it!
DONT READ THE COMMENTS YOUNG MAN HAHAHA CLARIFICATION WILL COME. Greet job once again. This is easily The best reaction/review of Mindcrime I've watched so far. Take care everyone. REVOLUTION
Don't forget Tommy most of us didn't figure this story out in one listen back in the day. I know I didn't. There was lots of discussion and listening back in the day. And again you need to watch "Livecrime" when you are all done with this.
So sorry that someone spoiled this for you. I am loving the journey! There are still some great songs to come including my two favorite! Enjoy I will see you tomorrow night! This really makes my day I can't wait for the workday to be done so I can tune in and see the next part of the journey!
I dunno if it was really to much of a spoiler. The fact that Mary is feeding his addiction is hinted at through lines, and that x is using drugs as a means to control. But I suppose at the same time these things become clearer after multiple listens.
@@ThomasJ_Music I think you can see how this album and the band had some influence on symphonic metal... they did a LOT of soundtrack work with Michael Kamen on a ton of movies... Real World from last action hero is a fantastic piece and worth a listen later
A few thoughts about earlier in the album when Nikki is decrying all the things he's disillusioned with in society: The media, religion, government, the rich, etc. I don't feel it's so much any of these institutions themselves that Nikki hates, but the unscrupulous INDIVIDUALS who USE and corrupt these things for their own gain (power, money, pleasure) regardless of the damage they inflict on others by doing so. Ironically, Dr. X, who always has an eye out for those whole vulnerabilities they can exploit and manipulate, falls into this category of people that Nikki despises.
This is so much fun (and not only because I am locked in my bloody house these days😂). Had one or two points which were covered already (the "suite" thing, the carving into arm part) but I thought you might enjoy the details going on in the choir/chanting at points in the song. It is from a Gregorian chant called "Dies Irae" which translates as "day of wrath" (or something similar). 2 of the last 3 lines say in English "How much trembling there will be ,When the judge comes". Quite fitting for the track by Queensryche. I suppose that is why they got called the "thinking man's heavy metal band"😁. Even the chanting fits the bloody story.
I'm really enjoying your first listen reaction to this epic album. The storyline is a lot to take in the initial time you hear it, but you're doing quite well! I can't help but pause your videos every few seconds while you express your take on the unfolding story so that I can correct something, or fill you in on details. It's kind of hard to keep this stuff in! But fortunately you can't hear me, so no harm done! I'd like to mention a strong feeling I've always gotten from The Mission (one of my favorites too), that I've never heard anyone else express. No spoilers here, just my take on this particular song: I feel Nikki is starting to loose faith in Dr. X and his motives. Nikki is idealistic and became involved with Dr. X because he wanted to make a positive difference in the world. But at this point in the story, He's SAYING that his "mission" will save the world, and change it, BUT the MUSIC ITSELF is saying the OPPOSITE. It isn't triumphant or uplifting music, the kind you might expect when someone is achieving a higher purpose, but instead the music is filled with REGRET and SORROW. I think in this song Nikki is trying to CONVINCE himself that his mission is still what he thought it was when he first started working for Dr. X. That said, QUEENSRYCE (original lineup) has been my favorite band, for so many reasons, for decades. Geoff, Scott, Eddie, Michael, and Chris were an incredible combination of musical, lyrical, and vocal talent. They are one of the few bands that are remarkably versatile and intense! I miss them so much, but am grateful for the music (and videos) that will always be with us. Even, yes even, The Queen of the Reich video. Who doesn't love it? Pure 80's.
I didn't like this song (suite sister Mary) first couple of times but now it's my favourite on this album.... The video to this is very dramatic. Worth look. I'm very much in awe of Pamala Moore
Greatest album ever by the greatest band ever with the greatest singer ever. Ive seen Queensryche 11 times and Geoff Tate 2 times. Never get old. Ryche On!
Definition of suite 1: RETINUE... the personal staff accompanying a ruler, diplomat, or dignitary on official business the personal accompanying a ruler, diplomat, or dignitary on official business. Also Geoff Tate is a Baritone with a 4 octave range.
Oh yeah, "Suite Sister Mary"...the crux of the Mindcrime album! Not too often are the long songs the best ones. Unless, of course, you're Iron Maiden. Anyways, good to see someone enjoying Queensryche like I do! Cheers from Houston, Texas USA!
So, having listened to OMC as much as I have, it's always been my own personal contention that during the song 'The Mission,' Nikki, after just having explained in the first two verses how much guilt he's beginning to feel about his crimes, how doubtful he's beginning to become about the Underground, and how close he feels to Mary at this point, actually confesses his sins to her for some kind of salvation (if this were a movie, I always imagined it happening during the solo). Honestly, I don't think Mary had any idea until his confession that Nikki was the killer, and upon finding out, realizes they're all pawns in Dr. X's game. When Dr. X realizes how close Nikki and Mary are getting, he tells Nikki, "Kill her."
Suite Sister Mary: somehow doctor X has found out that Nikki and Mary are starting to fall in love, which lessens the amount of control the doctor has over Nikki. He wants Mary dead so that she's no longer able to influence Nikki.
You're doing great. I remember trying to interpret this album the first time I heard it. And this was before the internet so we had no where to go to look up the answers to questions. I just had to get into long discussions with varying opinions. It was great fun though. And just letting you know, I did as you told (scolded) me to do - to follow my own advice. I came back. Thanks for reminding me not to be a hypocrite.
Ahahahaha yes stay away from the comments some are wrong others are an interpretation . As for why it's called "suite sister Mary" is because it's a song made in the form of a "suite(long form)" and also how Nikki sees Mary .Nikki sees her as sweet and innocent but also sees her in a maternal way as some sort of savior to him . He knows her past but he also sees how he found her as a "nun" and if she could be saved maybe she can save him . If you ever want to know more just reply .
You probably shouldn't watch the O:MC videos the band put out until you're done with the whole album. There are a couple things in them that visually clarify how Dr. X operates, which isn't really a spoiler, but would be fun to discuss afterwards. Also the band had a contest regarding one aspect of the story, and they incorporated a little bit of misdirection (again visually) in the videos.
I could be completely wrong, but I always thought that Mary was a 16 year old runaway that got caught up in the street life...basically hooking/S&M show to survive, and Father William was basically a customer in a sense and that the "Sister Mary" title was more of an ironic nickname. So, I don't see her "with" father William. I think she got caught up in the same Revolution moment that Nikki did. Doctor X saying to "Kill Mary...she's a risk...and get the priest as well" has me thinking that either Doctor X is just as disgusted with his behavior as the rest of us or that his disdain for anything authoritarian needs to go (ie: fascists, politicians, religious leaders, etc). Maybe Mary is getting too close to Nikki that Doctor X's influence over him is waining and that he needs Nikki to kill her to re-establish his dominance over Nikki. Again, I could be completely off base.
I was surprised at the previous comments for Suite Sister Mary as I've always seen it as the weak point on the album. Not to take away from the wonderful Pamela Moore...but it seems less a song and more a way to advance the story. If you ever get to Mindcrime II there is a sequel song/suite of sorts that I enjoy much more. I'd be interested on your thoughts on two other concept albums, King Diamond's "Abigail" and KISS' "(Music From) The Elder"
It is also not as bad as some QR fans made it out to be. Plenty of great tracks on there. There was bound to be naysayers after this masterpiece I guess.
Ummm, I never got that Mary worked for Dr. X. Anyone else questioning that too? I think simeone just led Tommy astray and unfortunately that's going to make him try to piece that together and possibly harm the overall experience for him. Please, people. Stop. Just let him go. He's been getting it dead on. Uggghh!
:/ ok I’ll have to watch out for this then. When I heard him say we have to stop him (Dr X) and asking her to choose, I thought that’s what the guy in the comments was referring to. I’ll take this bit with a pinch of salt then 👍
When Tommy is finished with the album, that's when we need to "meet" and throw around all our insights, and thoughts about this story. Geoff, being pretty much solely responsible for the lyrics, did a great job of not verbalizing EVERYTHING. There's still plenty left to extrapolate.
Well, Dr. X tells Nikki "we'll send you someone to bring you what you need", and Mary does just that. There are several references in different songs that support that she does indeed work for Dr. X.
@@purplekat5864 thanks for your insight. I guess I interpreted that as his herion "need". Okay... I HATE to discuss this in any more depth though because I don't want to influence Tommy's analysis. But I'm always appreciative of someone else's perspective on things. I agree with above comment, let's "meet" at the end. Until then, rock on baby. 🖤
@@ThomasJ_Music I don't believe Nikki was asking MARY to choose between him and Dr. X. It's between HIM and Dr. X. Nikki said: "There's one more thing left to see, will it be him or me? There's one more candle left to light." Think about what that last line means. Also, when you look at Mary's responses to what Nikki's telling her, she seems caught up in remembering the abuses she's endured (Father William taking her on the alter, etc.) and her own overwhelming pain...
A Suite is shorter pieces of music put together into one piece. From "Spreading the disease": Sixteen and on the run from home,Found a job in Times Square.Working live S&M shows.Twenty-five bucks a fuck.And John's a happy man- She wipes the filth away. And it's back on the streets again. Father William saved her from the streets. She drank the lifeblood from the saviour's feet. She's Sister Mary now, eyes as cold as ice. He takes her once a week, On the alter like a sacrifice.
Listen closer to previous songs. You'll understand what Mary was, what father william was and did to her. Ill give ya a hint. He takes her once a week on the alter like a sacrifice.
Possible SPOILERS: READ LATER!!! My thoughts: while it's true, Mary could be a link back to Dr. X for the authorities, I always took the order to kill her as a distraction. The primary target being, Father William. Since Nikki is emotionally and physically (drug provider) attached to Mary, it would dominate his thoughts; and the, oh by the way "get the priest as well", as a "secondary" job wouldn't seem important to the overall plan to Nikki.
Not only is DR. X using Nikki's drug habit to keep him in the fold, but if you think about it, somebody under the influence of drugs is much more pliable for brainwashing which is a cult leader's goal in the end. Also, I forgot just how epic Suite Sister Mary is. After following The Mission. Are you kidding me? That's like side one of Moving Pictures.
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This entire album is available as a total concert show...it is fantastic...you'll see and hear the woman who plays Mary on stage...this is my fave album of all time.
The vocalist playing Sister Mary is Pamela Moore. She's the cousin of Terri Nunn (lead singer of the band Berlin). She has an amazing body of work (which you can find on her RUclips channel).
I saw Queensryche twice back in the 80s. They're just as good live as they are on the album. I'm loving taking the Mindcrime journey again. You might enjoy watching/listening to the Live Crime version when you're finished with Mindcrime. Cheers
@24:04 "listen to that note! That's not a natural note" - as someone who has seen Geoff Tate sing this song live numerous, yes, yes it is a natural note and he sings it live. He's that good.
You are so right. I've seen them live MANY times, and they are all the real deal! Geoff can duplicate live anything he does in the studio. He IS that good. Along with the rest of the band. Theirs are arguably the best live performances I've ever seen!
@@purplekat5864 The Building Empires Tour, when they played this entire album (Livecrime) back in '91 was the best concert I've ever seen. I was blown away by how amazing they sounded live. Seen then a dozen times since and Tate never disappoints. He always sounds incredible. Makes every other singer sound like an amatuer live lol
@@rbrebrook (huge smile) You speak the truth! Also, Geoff has fantastic tonal quality and never "screams" the high notes, he sings them. He has amazing control over his voice, but at the same time is very expressive with it. And the power and intensity with which he sings is rather awe-inspiring. Even looking at the earliest videos of the band, Geoff always seemed very relaxed and at home on stage. Just a natural performer. As everyone knows, he's pretty active onstage (signature twirls). I don't know how he sings as well as he does with all that running back and forth, but to see him in interviews, and talking to him in person, he's very calm and non-fidgety, with a soft, low voice. Such a nut-ball of opposites! Love him! We tend to focus on Geoff, being the frontman, but the rest of the guys are no slouches either!! Sorry to be so gushy, but after all these years, I find the power of their music still strong.
Yes It is possible I have it on my RUclips under Marlachu it is possible To do . I am not a singer I just love this song and have a good set of lungs even though I damaged them using oven cleaner by accident but go check it out and you can see someone hold a note that long .
Geoff Tate is my favorite singer even though I play drums but I can't help singing along .
In his prime, nobody could touch him! Hell Yeah!
The female singer is Pamela Moore, she is great, you can see her in the video for this song.
Her family owns the Moore theater in Seattle where that live concert was recorded.
@@marcsorensen1184 I didn't know that, cool! I saw the video, pissed I missed the show, I was in Europe. She and Geoff were just as amazing as they were in '88!
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@@marcsorensen1184 that is incorrect…they do not own Moore theater. Just a happy coincidence
Don’t know if you’re interested, but you can watch this entire album in concert if you watch Operation:Livecrime and get the visuals of them performing, plus a movie playing in the background telling the story. And yes, Geoff 100% hits that “natural” note everytime. Damn I loved your vids. Excellent job!!
goosebumps every time, the way he says i see myself in you and the way pamela moore and geoff tates voice match and compliment each other so perfectly, so well done
It just occurred to me why you thought Mary was the nurse from the opening - in the UK nurses are, or were, often nuns. Is that right?
A year on I don't have to worry about spoilers, so Mary was also recruited to the Operation, and Nikki obviously fell in love with her. Dr. X also thought she and the priest knew too much.
In the live show, you can see that he's trying to resist the brainwashing he was under (whenever he hears the code word Mindcrime he does whatever he's told).
It's never revealed exactly how she died - until the 2007 live show at the Moore! I highly recommend it, so cool, Geoff sounds just as amazing!
The first scene is present day, and the whole album is a flashback, and it's still EPIC! 🔥🤘😠🤘🔥💜💜💜
Not effects, Tommy. I’ve seen them live twice and they are extraordinary. So much fun watching you discover Queensryche. I’ve always loved “The Lady Wore Black.” It’s a deep track.
Good Gawd this has been a fantastic week. When this is all done take an hour and change then listen beginning to end. You'll walk away thinking what the fck did i just listen to. The visuals the audibles the story will be burned into your head forever. That's a good thing. My christening was 32 years ago. Remember it like it was yesterday.
amen!!!! I remember now , too. I'll never forget seeing Eyes of a Stranger on mtv, and then running out and buying the CD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he has carved the message into his own arm while coming off heroine, "now every time i'm weak, words scream from my arm" "don't ever trust a needle IT LIES"
P.s. I owned the album for at least a decade before I worked out that he wasn't singing, don't ever trust an eagle
@@jasonfisher8007 also good advice. every eagle i have known has seemed quite shady
As a huge fan of this band I can't tell ya how awesome of a find this was--seeing someone enjoying and really listening to this album is so awesome. It's a masterpiece album. I hope you return to it again once you hopefully solve the mystery hehe..enjoy!
This is one of the albums where the live version is better than the studio recording. Operation Livecrime is PERFECTION!
It was worth it. Great reaction.
That was the masterpiece but still some heavy hitters to come.
Good insight into Dr X being no different to the people he’s trying to overthrow. It’s always the way - the ideologies are different but those at the top are always the winners.
This whole album put out 33 years ago is so relevant to today's political climate and playing out right before our very eyes.
The singer (Geoff Tate) conceived this whole story while sitting in a Catholic church in Canada.
He had to convince the rest of the band to do this album.
Never forget the last line of the song. . ."You're Mine"
Getting myself prepared...sippin' drink, check...smoker, check...headphones charged, check. Okay, I'm ready...time to rock; see y'all on the other side 🤘
Ha! Your funny😁✅❣️😇.
Lol right? Me too.. fan since 1983 my personal favorite is "The Warning" album.
@@n8vsprt315 thank you lol I have my moments 😏
@@crimsonskies1445 yes someone who appreciates the warning album so damn good
A couple extra pieces of context - 1) remember when this was made Suite Sister Mary was the end of side one and The Needle Lies was the opener of side two so coming off the big epic theatrical Suite Sister Mary The Needle Lies needed to be a fast paced kicker of a song as the side two opener. And 2) when the album was written there was a whole issue of rebels against communists, particularly in South America (which was and is still highly Catholic which ties in to the whole priest nun thing) being paid by the US government and partially tied in with drugs being brought in to the US to fund it. It’s not a specifically laid out connection in the album but at the time it came out most of those connections- anti US government feelings, drugs, and religion- were connections that anyone watching world news could have made.
I always interpreted it as Dr. X exploited Mary's weaknesses just as he exploited Nikki's weaknesses. Hence the "I see myself in you, parallel lives" line. Suite Sister Mary? Critical, but my faves are The Needle Lies, Waiting for 22, and The Eyes of a Stranger.
"Suite" is a term mainly used in classical music.
A piece of music with several parts.
Exactly, and a play on 'sweet'
I always thought suite was a double meeting "Sweet" because of how she was with Nicky and "Suite" because of how much time she spent in Hotel Suites.
@@timhays2086 Yep, it could actually mean any or all of the three. Gotta ask Geoff I guess 😉
It's like a story board.
I love the Needle Lies so much, maybe it’s me, but that song always had a Iron Maiden feel to it. Great video as always my friend!🎧🔥😎
I think you're on to something. I can definitely hear a NWOBHM influence in there
Yep definately.
But then, compared to the rest of the album, the weakest track imho.
Basically It's a Maiden song
There is an homage to it in a manga, can't remember if it is Battle Angel Alita or Ghost In The Shell where graffiti with those words is written on a wall.
The song Suite Sister Mary is most reminiscent of the entirety of the both the "Rage For Order" album from 1986 and the "Promised Land" album from 1994 in terms of the dark, mood, vibe and overall sound that it sets, which were imo their 2 best albums.
This is gonna be epic. Honestly been waiting for this all day! Lol! 👍
You're not the only one lol 🤘
I have been refreshing you tube for an hour now!
@@chrisriley8749 haha! I did that all day.
He put out an amazing Coldplay cover earlier and that quenched it for a bit. Lol
I remember the first time I heard this it was on cassette and Suite Sister Mary was the last track on side 1. I vividly remember flipping it and saying to my friend, “Holy Crap. How can side 2 top that?!?” One of the greatest albums ever turned. Very happy you are doing the whole thing; piecemeal would be a shame.
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This is a fantastic album!!!
I'm very happy to be on this journey with you...I remember being so blown away by this album when I was in high school (yes, when it came out...yes, I'm old) :) Watching you discover it, learning the details as the story unfolds - it's like hearing it again for the first time...and it's just such a musically brilliant album! Of course, it meant the eventual downfall of Queensryche...how could they hope to put out anything even close to this masterpiece afterward? They couldn't...and they didn't...they tried with Mindcrime II but it wasn't very good. But this album will always be one of the best concept albums of all time, along with one of the best metal-ish albums ever. So glad you're enjoying it!
Pamela Moore (Suite sister Mary ) off her 2013 album “Resurrect Me” titled “we are damaged”ruclips.net/video/jPJxSW3Rews/видео.html
There you go, you're getting it. I told you it would all be coming clearer after tonight. So good.
DONT READ THE COMMENTS YOUNG MAN HAHAHA CLARIFICATION WILL COME. Greet job once again. This is easily The best reaction/review of Mindcrime I've watched so far. Take care everyone. REVOLUTION
Don't forget Tommy most of us didn't figure this story out in one listen back in the day. I know I didn't. There was lots of discussion and listening back in the day. And again you need to watch "Livecrime" when you are all done with this.
So sorry that someone spoiled this for you. I am loving the journey! There are still some great songs to come including my two favorite! Enjoy I will see you tomorrow night! This really makes my day I can't wait for the workday to be done so I can tune in and see the next part of the journey!
I’m glad you’re enjoying it as much as I am :)
I dunno if it was really to much of a spoiler. The fact that Mary is feeding his addiction is hinted at through lines, and that x is using drugs as a means to control. But I suppose at the same time these things become clearer after multiple listens.
@@ThomasJ_Music I think you can see how this album and the band had some influence on symphonic metal... they did a LOT of soundtrack work with Michael Kamen on a ton of movies... Real World from last action hero is a fantastic piece and worth a listen later
I never understood why this album was never developed into a movie screenplay.
They tried several times, it just never came together
"We'll burn the White House down" is my guess.
What the hell is wrong with people?!? Stop putting spoilers in here! He's trying to figure things out as he goes along. Just let him! Carry on, Tommy.
Absolutely!
What a wonderful reaction! I'm going to have to go back to the beginning and watch the initial reactions to my favorite album of all time.
YES, Tommy Lad. The Dog's Bollocks. Nuff said. (Mary - Pamela Moore - a US session rock singer. Still going I believe)
Saw their very first show ever, The Country Club L.A. ( the valley ) small club a few hundred people. Blown away, seen and met them many times. 👍
A few thoughts about earlier in the album when Nikki is decrying all the things he's disillusioned with in society: The media, religion, government, the rich, etc. I don't feel it's so much any of these institutions themselves that Nikki hates, but the unscrupulous INDIVIDUALS who USE and corrupt these things for their own gain (power, money, pleasure) regardless of the damage they inflict on others by doing so. Ironically, Dr. X, who always has an eye out for those whole vulnerabilities they can exploit and manipulate, falls into this category of people that Nikki despises.
This is so much fun (and not only because I am locked in my bloody house these days😂).
Had one or two points which were covered already (the "suite" thing, the carving into arm part) but I thought you might enjoy the details going on in the choir/chanting at points in the song.
It is from a Gregorian chant called "Dies Irae" which translates as "day of wrath" (or something similar). 2 of the last 3 lines say in English "How much trembling there will be ,When the judge comes". Quite fitting for the track by Queensryche. I suppose that is why they got called the "thinking man's heavy metal band"😁. Even the chanting fits the bloody story.
I'm really enjoying your first listen reaction to this epic album. The storyline is a lot to take in the initial time you hear it, but you're doing quite well! I can't help but pause your videos every few seconds while you express your take on the unfolding story so that I can correct something, or fill you in on details. It's kind of hard to keep this stuff in! But fortunately you can't hear me, so no harm done!
I'd like to mention a strong feeling I've always gotten from The Mission (one of my favorites too), that I've never heard anyone else express. No spoilers here, just my take on this particular song:
I feel Nikki is starting to loose faith in Dr. X and his motives. Nikki is idealistic and became involved with Dr. X because he wanted to make a positive difference in the world. But at this point in the story, He's SAYING that his "mission" will save the world, and change it, BUT the MUSIC ITSELF is saying the OPPOSITE. It isn't triumphant or uplifting music, the kind you might expect when someone is achieving a higher purpose, but instead the music is filled with REGRET and SORROW. I think in this song Nikki is trying to CONVINCE himself that his mission is still what he thought it was when he first started working for Dr. X.
That said, QUEENSRYCE (original lineup) has been my favorite band, for so many reasons, for decades. Geoff, Scott, Eddie, Michael, and Chris were an incredible combination of musical, lyrical, and vocal talent. They are one of the few bands that are remarkably versatile and intense! I miss them so much, but am grateful for the music (and videos) that will always be with us. Even, yes even, The Queen of the Reich video. Who doesn't love it? Pure 80's.
Mary sung by Pamela Moore from Seattle.
Sister Mary was the runaway doing live s&m shows that father William rescued her from and she became sister Mary
I'm up late, and can't find the beginning of this thread, but top 3 albums all time... And so enjoying... You enjoying this tapestry!
I didn't like this song (suite sister Mary) first couple of times but now it's my favourite on this album.... The video to this is very dramatic. Worth look. I'm very much in awe of Pamala Moore
Greatest album ever by the greatest band ever with the greatest singer ever. Ive seen Queensryche 11 times and Geoff Tate 2 times. Never get old. Ryche On!
Definition of suite
1: RETINUE... the personal staff accompanying a ruler, diplomat, or dignitary on official business the personal accompanying a ruler, diplomat, or dignitary on official business.
Also Geoff Tate is a Baritone with a 4 octave range.
This is the greatest most epic album ever!!
Oh yeah, "Suite Sister Mary"...the crux of the Mindcrime album! Not too often are the long songs the best ones. Unless, of course, you're Iron Maiden. Anyways, good to see someone enjoying Queensryche like I do!
Cheers from Houston, Texas USA!
There’s a live video of this song she toured with them she was awesome as was the rest of the band and the stage effects were killer
So, having listened to OMC as much as I have, it's always been my own personal contention that during the song 'The Mission,' Nikki, after just having explained in the first two verses how much guilt he's beginning to feel about his crimes, how doubtful he's beginning to become about the Underground, and how close he feels to Mary at this point, actually confesses his sins to her for some kind of salvation (if this were a movie, I always imagined it happening during the solo). Honestly, I don't think Mary had any idea until his confession that Nikki was the killer, and upon finding out, realizes they're all pawns in Dr. X's game. When Dr. X realizes how close Nikki and Mary are getting, he tells Nikki, "Kill her."
The live version of this song is great
Suite Sister Mary: somehow doctor X has found out that Nikki and Mary are starting to fall in love, which lessens the amount of control the doctor has over Nikki. He wants Mary dead so that she's no longer able to influence Nikki.
You're doing great. I remember trying to interpret this album the first time I heard it. And this was before the internet so we had no where to go to look up the answers to questions. I just had to get into long discussions with varying opinions. It was great fun though. And just letting you know, I did as you told (scolded) me to do - to follow my own advice. I came back. Thanks for reminding me not to be a hypocrite.
Glad you’re enjoying the videos so far
Ahahahaha yes stay away from the comments some are wrong others are an interpretation . As for why it's called "suite sister Mary" is because it's a song made in the form of a "suite(long form)" and also how Nikki sees Mary .Nikki sees her as sweet and innocent but also sees her in a maternal way as some sort of savior to him .
He knows her past but he also sees how he found her as a "nun" and if she could be saved maybe she can save him . If you ever want to know more just reply .
For another AMAZING concept album to react to PLEASE do W.A.S.P.'s The Crimson Idol. You will not regret it!
I always wondered why this was never made a movie.
Digarmo and Wilton are really underrated players.
I highly, highly suggest listening to "The Warning" album. Better, darker than Mindcrime.
You probably shouldn't watch the O:MC videos the band put out until you're done with the whole album. There are a couple things in them that visually clarify how Dr. X operates, which isn't really a spoiler, but would be fun to discuss afterwards. Also the band had a contest regarding one aspect of the story, and they incorporated a little bit of misdirection (again visually) in the videos.
I could be completely wrong, but I always thought that Mary was a 16 year old runaway that got caught up in the street life...basically hooking/S&M show to survive, and Father William was basically a customer in a sense and that the "Sister Mary" title was more of an ironic nickname. So, I don't see her "with" father William. I think she got caught up in the same Revolution moment that Nikki did. Doctor X saying to "Kill Mary...she's a risk...and get the priest as well" has me thinking that either Doctor X is just as disgusted with his behavior as the rest of us or that his disdain for anything authoritarian needs to go (ie: fascists, politicians, religious leaders, etc). Maybe Mary is getting too close to Nikki that Doctor X's influence over him is waining and that he needs Nikki to kill her to re-establish his dominance over Nikki. Again, I could be completely off base.
It's the SLEEPER song..
No other reactor has really done this song. And they are missing out
I could never understand why no one has reacted to this song. It's just simply incredible, as is the whole album
I was surprised at the previous comments for Suite Sister Mary as I've always seen it as the weak point on the album. Not to take away from the wonderful Pamela Moore...but it seems less a song and more a way to advance the story. If you ever get to Mindcrime II there is a sequel song/suite of sorts that I enjoy much more.
I'd be interested on your thoughts on two other concept albums, King Diamond's "Abigail" and KISS' "(Music From) The Elder"
Suite sister many Mary is a highlight but I prefer Eyes of a stranger
Another good concept album is Iron Maiden Seventh son of a seventh son. A reaction to that one would be great!
IMO The Mission is the best song on Operation: Mindcrime.
Dr X the preist
This is not a spoiler, just an interesting fact. The last song was the first one written for the album. That is all.
Wow this is Iron maiden🤯
react to what the dead men say by trivium :) it’ll blow you away
Dr. X is using the church as a front for his underground operation.
There should be made as a movie it was an original concept by Geoff Tate and Chris DeGarmo
Has anyone mentioned that there is an Operation: Mindcrime II....? Although, it's not as good as this one, it IS a sequel.
It is also not as bad as some QR fans made it out to be. Plenty of great tracks on there. There was bound to be naysayers after this masterpiece I guess.
Father William works for Dr X, Mary is unknowingly tied to Dr X through father William.
Ummm, I never got that Mary worked for Dr. X. Anyone else questioning that too? I think simeone just led Tommy astray and unfortunately that's going to make him try to piece that together and possibly harm the overall experience for him.
Please, people. Stop. Just let him go. He's been getting it dead on. Uggghh!
:/ ok I’ll have to watch out for this then.
When I heard him say we have to stop him (Dr X) and asking her to choose, I thought that’s what the guy in the comments was referring to. I’ll take this bit with a pinch of salt then 👍
When Tommy is finished with the album, that's when we need to "meet" and throw around all our insights, and thoughts about this story. Geoff, being pretty much solely responsible for the lyrics, did a great job of not verbalizing EVERYTHING. There's still plenty left to extrapolate.
Well, Dr. X tells Nikki "we'll send you someone to bring you what you need", and Mary does just that. There are several references in different songs that support that she does indeed work for Dr. X.
@@purplekat5864 thanks for your insight. I guess I interpreted that as his herion "need".
Okay... I HATE to discuss this in any more depth though because I don't want to influence Tommy's analysis. But I'm always appreciative of someone else's perspective on things. I agree with above comment, let's "meet" at the end. Until then, rock on baby. 🖤
@@ThomasJ_Music I don't believe Nikki was asking MARY to choose between him and Dr. X. It's between HIM and Dr. X. Nikki said: "There's one more thing left to see, will it be him or me? There's one more candle left to light." Think about what that last line means.
Also, when you look at Mary's responses to what Nikki's telling her, she seems caught up in remembering the abuses she's endured (Father William taking her on the alter, etc.) and her own overwhelming pain...
A Suite is shorter pieces of music put together into one piece.
From "Spreading the disease":
Sixteen and on the run from home,Found a job in Times Square.Working live S&M shows.Twenty-five bucks a fuck.And John's a happy man-
She wipes the filth away. And it's back on the streets again.
Father William saved her from the streets. She drank the lifeblood from the saviour's feet. She's Sister Mary now, eyes as cold as ice.
He takes her once a week, On the alter like a sacrifice.
What you missed in an earlier song was Father William taking Sister Mary on the alter once a week like a sacrifice.
Some areas of the story are grey. Spoiler of Mary working for Dr. X was wrong, in my opinion.
Listen closer to previous songs. You'll understand what Mary was, what father william was and did to her. Ill give ya a hint. He takes her once a week on the alter like a sacrifice.
Kind of a Gregorian chant thing
MILKSHAKE!
The mission is the best song. Or I dont believe in love. Or....the rest of the lot. Lol
Possible SPOILERS: READ LATER!!!
My thoughts: while it's true, Mary could be a link back to Dr. X for the authorities, I always took the order to kill her as a distraction. The primary target being, Father William. Since Nikki is emotionally and physically (drug provider) attached to Mary, it would dominate his thoughts; and the, oh by the way "get the priest as well", as a "secondary" job wouldn't seem important to the overall plan to Nikki.
Not only is DR. X using Nikki's drug habit to keep him in the fold, but if you think about it, somebody under the influence of drugs is much more pliable for brainwashing which is a cult leader's goal in the end. Also, I forgot just how epic Suite Sister Mary is. After following The Mission. Are you kidding me? That's like side one of Moving Pictures.