Berserk: Analysis on the Torture of Griffith
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Griffith's torture is a pivotal point in Berserk's story, as it is preceded by Guts' departure and was succeeded by the Eclipse.
Geiffith is kept alive for an year, during which he had been heavily tormented through physical torture, which consequently resulted in a broken mental state.
His torturer seems to enjoy it. He does it for the fun of it. And that's why the king of Midland chose him.
All actions seem unforgivable after Griffith's torture. His, those the king, those of his comrades, and most importantly Guts. Having been through such a horrible experience, one finds it hard to feel anything less than malice and vengeance.
From the point of view of Griffith, it becomes more understandable, why he would do such a horrendous act, like sacrificing his own comrades during the Eclipse.
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Thanks to the absolute minimum brilliance, expect this to be demonetized. I can't argue with an exploration of friendship, stoicism and mercenary codes that lead to consequences. Well done.
Thank you!
I think people forget Griffith's lowest point wasn't in the dungeon, if it was, the behelit would have found him there no matter what. In the dungeons, Griffith still had the hope of being saved; his lowest point was realizing that, even after being saved, he would never be able to live a normal life again, not just that his dream was lost, but his hopes of returning to what he had before his imprisonment were impossible
Yeah that part when he breaks his arm after seeing Guts whoop Wyald, making him want to kill himself.
@@tp1saikou well honestly it was even after that, in the lake itself; being unable to defend himself from wyald and needing guts to save him did make griffith want to kill himself, but his lowest point was realizing he was too weak to even kill himself. I think it was the realization that he'd spend the rest of his life being pitied by everyone who used to look up to him, and he doesnt even have the option to off himself to avoid it
@@mikelonduckguey good point
To me the lowest point for him was when Guts and Casca were speaking about leaving together outside the carriage he was being kept in. These are his two closest friends and lieutenants, and him having to listen to them abandon his 'dream' IN REAL TIME, while being robbed of any ability to keep them, was utterly devastating. It's the first time we see any real hatred in his eyes in context to Guts or Casca
fr how is a guy supposed to live like that, but the rape was a choice
Hope this Griffith guy can turn things around, I haven’t read the comic books but he seems like a really nice and cool guy 😊
He should put his Grasses on, so nothing will go wrong!
Yeah and Guts is weak and timid
@Gabriel Fisher STOP LYING 😂😂
Yeah and he never did anything wrong either!
Don't worry man, he did nothing wrong
its so angering how complex griffith is, that he isn't just this one sided, non-manipulated, mustache twirling evil.
Nothing excuses what he did. He is truly evil
@@GenUrobutcher femto is truly evil
@@GenUrobutcher That does not take away from his complexity.
@@GenUrobutcher nothing can excuse his actions but we can understand why he did it
He's a cold blooded rapist, that's it
Griffith reminds me of a line from the hobbit of all things
“You sit here, in these vast halls, with a crown upon your head, and yet you are lesser now than you have ever been.”
I 100% agree.
I just find it curious that folks refer to Tolkien in discussions about works like Berserk and say “of all things,” perhaps not fully understanding that The Hobbit, but even more so the much more mature LOTR was an exploration of human nature under trial by a traumatized war veteran trying to maintain his hope in humanity despite all he had seen. I think it makes perfect sense that there’s a continuity between Tolkien’s work and Berserk, especially in terms of people’s various responses to power. In fact, I think of Griffith when I read the quotation where Tolkien writes that what is foul may seem fair…
Lol
He used to be God like, now he disgusts me
Miura had a fantastic enthusiasm for fiction, and it really shows in the depth of his writing and the clarity of his influences. Berserk works so well because it’s world and characters can feel so familiar and relatable while also having a singular, unique plot to drive your narrative. Our world is a duller place without Miura..
Why do you trouble an already troubled man?
Holy crap, that thumbnail. Miura never revealed what Griffith's tortured face looked like. I had never really wanted to think about it. One of the few times Guts cries in the series is when he sees what they did to Griffith, how mutilated he'd become. In retrospect, it's so incredibly tragic.
While yes, Miura never revealed his face but whenever some panels zoomed in on his face, it looked perfectly fine to me.
Infact, I tried hard to look for any wounds or scars, but there were none except bruises.
His face wasn't ruined, but his skull was broken amd bis brain was visible
@@maxtandremenoje4129 dang! What gives you that idea? Does it go into detail in the manga?
@@arana213 i thought about it a lot. His face doesn’t seem damaged in manga nor in a anime. Griffit’s face could have been seen easily through his helmet. And remember that guts freaked out only when he unlocked grifit’s helmet. By unlocking his helmet he was able to see back of his head, so i assumed that his face wasn’t damaged, and the first thing i thought of is that his skull is broken and that his brain is visible
@@maxtandremenoje4129 They did character design work for the trilogy of films. His skin looks peeled or it got bruised or burnt.
If a cancer patient who survived torment beyond imagining came out of it going "I think I'll inflict my personal hell on earth on everyone else" they'd still be an asshole.
Like... Maybe I'd take the offer Griffith received. But hopefully someone would strike me down for it.
To be fair its more like if the cancer patient was offered a button that would kill his closest friends he didnt had to do it personally, he just had to accept the offer
@@rauqui5318 I don't see the distinction as meaningful. Especially for someone who was quite aware of what killing meant from doing it himself, by hand, for a living.
@@dustind4694 Very true, i was just poking at your analogy a little, Griffith would 100% kill them with his own hands if it was needed, but thinking about the hypothetical cancer guy like say he was a normal guy never killed anyone would he do it?
@@rauqui5318 I've watched folks go through chemo, including family, and at the lowest point the best the god of Berserk could offer them would be to let them pass on, because they usually don't have much room for more than 'fight another day' or 'sweet bliss of unconsciousness'. This is generally true for burn victims and other folks with serious issues, even ones who've been wronged personally (they might have someone specific they wish ill on, though, tbf).
There might be outlier cases of putting that despair into anger at the world, but it's really rare you get a supervillain from tragedy.
I feel the last bit of humanity in Griffith was trying to tell guts to stay away in the beginning of the eclipse, like he knew if it comes down to guts or himself, he would choose himself
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Never thought about it like that. But it’s so true. Thank you for this insight.
I dont think this take really holds water considering he r*ped casca to spite guts
@@jobromo123 the amount of dense people that say this is beyond belief. His empathy has been removed at this point. He has quite literally been turned into a phycopath by the definition of the word, by demons. How tf people don't see that would change someone to no longer feel any emotions of love, sympathy, empathy for other people is incredible.
@@pododododoehoh3550 ong
I feel like people neglect to mention how his future is pretty much gone. Griffith was a man of extreme drive and determination. His whole life was based on his future and his drive to make it to that castle, that position of power he saw as a kid. With his tendons and tongue cut, he not only had no ability to communicate, but also no ability to move or ever wield a sword again. Not only was his plan completely destroyed, any future prospect of him reaching his dream, which he spent his whole life trying to achieve, was destroyed as well.
What I find ironic is that Griffith brought this great error upon himself. He already had everything handed to him, he was one step from victory but he decided to throw it all away because his narcissistic and controlling personality couldn't admit that something was out of his control (Guts leaving and looking for a dream for himself, and Casca loving Guts). So much so that when he was arrested, he blamed Guts for what happened and didn't recognize that it was his own mistake that brought him to that situation.
@@srwilsonmr5924 Interesting take. I think Miura wanted to highlight this dichotomy of Guts and Griffith. Everybody looked up to Griffith as a leader, including Guts, but the difference with Guts is that he knew he had to forge his own destiny. Griffith seemed to regard everyone in the Band of the Hawks in a friendly way, but he always kept them at a certain distance away from him. Griffith seems estranged from the group in some parts, being so "holy" and absorbed in his own dream that it seemed like he couldn't engage with anything else. The relationship between Guts and Griffith, however, was different. Guts and Griffith were on the same level in combat skill, until the end where Guts earned the right to pursue his dream by beating Griffith. When Guts left him, and the resulting series of events led to Griffith with the behelet, Griffith reflects on his own stupidity. By jumping the gun and sleeping with the kings daughter, he had destroyed his own future by wanting to feel like he was in control. "You're the only one who made me forget my dream" (man that part is so fucking good, goosebumps from it) is a line where Griffith simultaneously blames Guts and himself. "Made me forget my dream" is kind of an oxymoron, as Guts' only wish was to make his own dream, not to disrupt Griffiths. Ultimately I think the Golden Age arc is a reflection on unobtainable dreams, and the impact one persons dream can have on another's. When you think about politics, one mans pursuit of political power can be driven into the ground due to a different man with a similar dream. Griffith held a dream which shone brightly, resonating through his holy character and his luscious white hair which was as iconic to his person as his determined spirit. Despite Griffith's relentless ambition, Guts, another character who is incredibly similar in drive and courage to the antagonist, was able to offset it with a simple swipe of his sword. Berserk is the manga about dreams, and it shows that the castles we look towards as shimmering ideals in our heads, are no more real than those in the heads of others ---which, at any given moment, may be willing to destroy your castle, in the realization of obtaining their's.
Your absolutely right not to mention nobody here seems to understand that after your tortured everyday it's extremely unlikely you would even live after a week much less a year and every single person who thinks what Griffith did was unnecessary has no idea what it's like to be tortured most of these people wouldn't even last 10 minutes after being tortured and every single one of them would betray their whole family it's honestly laughable how stupid every single person here is
@srwilsonmr5924 no one is perfect, he already did way too much rising from literal zero and did numerous risky and calculative moves, but he did only one mistake after being ditched by the only person he considered friend, I think the mistake was reasonable
We also don't consider the affects of all the sacrifices he made for his dream now made obsolete because of his torture. That little boy died for nothing if Griffith can't make it to the castle, all the corpses on the cobblestone path.
All of what happened to Griffith is horrible... but he chose that path. He wanted to self-destroy himself, but I think he didn't make the calculations right. He probably didn't think he'll be rotting away in the most despicable dungeon of Midland for a whole year.
Still, he made his choice. Neither Casca, nor Guts chose all the misery they had to endure at Griffith's hands. Griffith had everything in his hands... and decided to throw it all into the gutter.
And then, when Guts and Casca started to have something of their own, he stole it.
So, sorry, no sympathy for him here.
Nah, Griffith never wanted to "self destroy himself" nor did choices with that motive. What caused his downfall was that his humanity and love for guts and casca endangered his dream, they made him irrational, as the video says, he couldn't be stoic and achieve his goal because Guts had a hold too big on him, that caused all what happened that year in the prison.
And he made the deal with the Godhand after his body and mind were very deteriorated + the godhand showing him all kind of visions to manipulate him and make him make the deal.
Nothing after Griffith turns into Femto is justifiable, but before of that, his mistakes were human and understandable.
When Guts left all pretentions of optimism left Griffith.
He knew he would never get t he throne, He already know the king of Midland was infatuated with his daughter and would never give her hand to anyone.
The only one preventing Griffith from falling to dispair was Guts.
His act of self destruction was a mixture of suicide and giving the king the middle finger for not giving her daughter hand. He probably just seduced the princess and had sex wwith her only out of scorn for the king. as a self destructive final middle finger to himself, the king, and everything.
He wanted the princess yeah, but as the way to the throne, but that was impossible because the king was too interested in making the princess his new wife some day.
Imagine saying ''but he chose that path'', implying free will in a world where pre-determinism - CAUSALITY - is established... Whoever likes your comment is smart fr...
@@ZoiusGM If you put it that way that there is no character let alone character development at all in Berserk.
@@arnantphongsatha7906 you can still have character development in a causality driven world. That is literally what story telling is. The characters acting according to the will of the author.
"Guts, it was only a prank. You are being recorded."
*Guts stands there with his arm cut off watching as Griffith crawls out of his fursuit.*
This is actually a great explanation for why the Girl in the game Fear & Hunger ultimately ascends to godhood and why she decides to look like a doll in the mortal shape she appears to take afterwards. All she has known before you find her in the dungeons of Fear and Hunger are basically those two concepts since she was birthed there.
When you find her she experiences the first act of kindness in her entire life - you give her a doll to show her you mean her no harm. Even though she ultimately becomes the God of Fear & Hunger, I believe unconsciously this one act of kindness is what literally changes her (the game is HEAVILY based on Beserk btw)!
The daughter of LeGarde?
@@kuyab9122 Yes! ☺️
Did not think I would see a funger reference here
I also think she sees killing you as mercy, she knows what it feels like to be in those caverns, she knows that your life is forever changed for the worse and she wants to give you the same opportunity of relief she has, an escape through suffering
I would say seeing funger here surprised me but I would be lying lol
The last meaningful thing Griffith saw was Guts leaving. It was painfully seared into his mind. I've never thought of that. Just as Guts' missing eye had that image burned into his brain. Miura is missed.
Let's never forget the graphic 📈:
The more you tend to fuck around, the more likely you are to find out.
Griffith not only lost in a fair duel to Guts, (in which both agreed to the conditions of Griffith's lost would result in Guts' freedom), not only did he decide of his own volition to throw it all out the window and take Charlotte (knowing it was treason), he also had the brilliant idea to confront the king about her mid-torture and taunt him. He is a fantastic character, but everything this guy did is the reason he was thrown in the worst possible situation. He was an amazing leader and an incredible fighte and strategist, but just as incredibly weak minded. It only took a few decisions to throw everything he had out the window, and not even once did he ever take accountability for his actions, instead taking all of his hatred and suffering out on those closest to him, giving them the worst possible deaths and cursed existences to the only ones who survived.
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What really drives me crazy is that the Behelit only activates at your lowest. That means Griffith being tortured for a year in a dungeon wasn’t his breaking point, it was seeing someone take his place with his band (Casca). And someone taking his place with Casca (Guts).
You could also say the pity they have for him when they say they wont leave played a role and etc etc but I like leaving it at the first two reasons.
It's also the realization that your future is dead. Your dreams are dead. You can't move. You can't even speak anymore. All that remains for your existence is constant suffering until death.
While i understand why he would take the deal, what he did to casca to hurt guts was completely unjustifiable and throws any moral complexity out the window when talking about if he was in the wrong.
absolutely justifiable.
Griffith pleads insanity
@ethan daniels you are wrong. One of the may interesting about Berserk is how you can tell someone is fucked up when they justify the actions of one (if not the most) evil characters in any story.
Casca was "his" in his mind and then Guts came along and took her away. So Griffith had that moment to right that again. Furthermore he was peak demon at that moment.
@@scorptice7938 tf you even on about??
One of the most painful things, is seeing a young Guts after he had grown and gained so much lose it all (basically). Seeing him in later chapters there is a loss in him, through his smile or through his annoyed expressions. There is a lingering and chilly hole in him that cannot be replaced. Not just from losing his comrade in arms, or his lover, but one of his closest friends.
how tf the last sentence give me chills
His lover indeed
I don't think his cold nature later on is due to Griffith. He's depressed because he's being tormented by his inner demons, also literal demons, Casca is a husk, and he broke her trust so he can't even go near her anymore. I don't know what the latest chapters are like, I only read up to the sea god so far, but Guts is doing everything in his power to restore Casca instead of chasing after Griffith. She is his flame right now, the one reason he isn't still the running around as the edgelord black swordsman, being consumed by vengeance and hatred. He can't feel relief until Casca is whole again
This was 100% HIS OWN FAULT.
The lack of accountability from Griffith is sickening. How on earth did he have such a huge meltdown to the point that he began acting insanely just because Guts left him? Has he always been this mentally weak? If that is the case, then he wouldn't have made a very good king. He doesn't have what it takes.
Guts left him NOT when he was down and needed help. He left him when he was the 2nd most powerful person in the country, after the king. All of his enemies were already taken care of by Guts. All he had to do to achieve his dream of having his own country was just to live quietly until the king dies of old age, he can then marry the princess and take over the kingdom. He could even devise a plan to make that process faster, it would have been easy for him to do at the position he was in. But no, he had to act like a fool instead to satisfy his own ego.
Griffith had ONE easy job left to do. I cannot believe that he actually screwed up something so simple. This pathetic failure alone disqualifies him from becoming a true king. But that is what makes the story of Berserk so good because it exposes a very deep part of human nature that we don't see often and he is only human after all and not a mentally strong one at that. Reading the manga up to that point it REALLY appears that he was better than this. He wasn't.
its absolutly 100% his fault but FOR ME at least i think that griffith had a ''panic attack'' like he get that far because of guts and guts left him i think griffith was actually terrified of the though of not having his trump card
The lack of accountability from Griffith is sickening. you say it mate in not a single momment griffith said i shouldn't have done that i shouldn't have rushed things like that, it was all ''guts fault'' for leaving
Looks like you never had a meltdown and don't understand how it works.
I'm not defending griffith here, but circumstances do happen. Humans are at the end of the day, humans. And they will have emotional problems no matter how well they have trained themselves.
You trying to completely disregard Griffith's situation is one of the worst arguments I have ever read in Berserk fandom's history.
It is indeed %100 his fault
Griffith always has been a very possessive and toxic person, remember the whole "you are mine" thing he said to Guts when they meet?
when Guts left he left powerless and weak because he thought he was stronger and Guts needed him
i can totally relate about having a meltdown because when my gf who i thought was the love of my life left me all of the sudden and just as Griffith i was very possessive and toxic towards her and i thought she would never left me and i got into a lot of sh*t since i started acting recklessly so she could notice me or "save me" but everything has %100 my fault.
@@joynigam4151 Were you born yesterday? Everyone has had a meltdown before. But nobody reacts in such a self-destructive way like Griffith did unless if there is already something deeply flawed within you.
Actually, Griffiths reaction is pretty pathetic. Guts pretty much left him to continue on easy mode and he shot himself on the foot. You completely voiding personal responsibility out of Griffith's action is without a doubt the worst insight I have ever read in all of manga fandom.
@@crimson6172 Griffith never avoided responsibility, he literally chose to sleep with a pervert because he felt responsible for the death of ONE boy. Part of how he convinced himself to sacrifice is because he felt responsible and bogged down by it. When he became a demon he essentially destroyed that part of himself that was in the way of his dream. Yes it was selfish and terrible but also very human. Yes getting betrayed by your best friend (most important person in your life) hurts like a bitcj but can we please allow for a nuanced discussion ?.....Also Im glad you've never known or been around someone that can self destruct in a such a way....not taking away his crimes but what caused them is his humanity not the lack of it
When I first saw the ending of the '98 anime I felt sick for days, and I haven't even read the manga at that point, which describes his torture in even more detail.
It was one of darkest concepts in fantasy that I've ever seen but at the same time it was also very real.
It's also very sad how Griffith was so attached to Guts, but the main reason why Guts left him was that he actually thought that Griffith doesn't think of him as a true friend. He really had nothing to prove and if he wouldn't have left he could have saved him in time.
Me too
i think miura wanted to let the reader imagine how griffith’s face could look like, or maybe even he couldnt draw something that horrific, his helmet covers most and the most damage he has is kinda behind the helmet so we will never see that but i like to imagine you can see his bones or something
"couldn't draw something that horrific"
did even read berserk?
As despicable of a person Griffith is, I still find myself tearing up when I reread Guts and the gang finding his limp, nearly lifeless, tortured figure. At that point in the story, not even Griffith deserved such treatment...
you are right but he still sacrificed everyone that look up to him
the people that saved him from that very torture,
i just UGHHG screw that dumbass
He looked so small
Should have left him there to rot
@@hez859 😀what
In Hindsight yeah. But before the eclipse what did Griffith do that was so wrong?
The things that he has done are unforgiveable but the things that were done to him are also unforgiveable, and I believe that his torture shaped him into the villain that is Femto.
In the manga the king is only motivated to torture Griffith cuz he wanted to be the first one to plow his own daughter, in the show he’s pretty cool tho
He was already willing to do whatever it would take to reach his ambition, no matter how many comrades and "friends" he would have to trample upon. The torture only gave him a little push to expose his true colors.
Bro, I'm so tired of people who are in all seriousness saying they'll take all the Griffiths torture and not betray their friends.
Fax, lol
He owned that shit, in his place you should just take the L
Id take death instead
No more pain
So true. People do not know prolonged phisical pain, nevermind torture. The was people treat this fictional character is the way people treat mental illness. They will always say they feel for the suffering, but when those who suffer lose their minds and trully feel like they are breaking, they are brutally judged.
"I sympathize with you, but the second you deviate even one degree from the normal and start expressing symptoms of your suffering, you are pure garbage that needs to die."
projecting much?
griffith:aw man im still stuck here tortured
void inside of the hole in the wall: *want a break from the ads?*
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Crazy how I can hear the exact voice in the Spotify add when I read that
A lot of these comments are kind of baffling to see. There's a lot of repeating the same dull lines about how Griffith can't be justified in his actions, that he deserves no sympathy, everything occurred by his own hubris, and is without a doubt 100% evil. I would have hoped that the Berserk fandom had a little more nuanced handling of the material. I think it's missing the point. "Justifying" his actions is not the point here, and definitely not the goal of this video, either. The video does a great job breaking down the complexities and the painful, conflicting humanity of Griffith pre-Eclipse and ultimately his choice. He was not some one-dimensional villain since day one, and his experiences pre-Eclipse are sympathetic. The torture, dehumanization, and mental anguish of Griffith is a wonderfully-written lead up to the birth of a unspeakable villain. And it's the subtleties of who he was and his experiences that make it an interesting development. The decision to sacrifice everyone was Griffith's own and it isn't justifiable at all, but the story gives us the complex causes on how someone can mentally fall to that decision. And it's fascinating. What Femto does is definitely not justifiable - but I figured it was clear that Femto is an unholy incarnate of Griffith, and not the human he once was. The twisted result of becoming one of the God Hand. But we're not talking about Femto here.
I feel like Griffith is mischaracterized. And no, I don't mean "uwu poor baby is misunderstood". He does really messed up shit and ultimately takes the path of pure evil. I just mean that I don't think a lot of people allow themselves to realize the complexities of his character, his choices, and what lead him there. This includes not just the torture, but what came before it, and how the choice is presented to him during the eclipse. That doesn't mean you have to justify or like his actions. Again, that's not the point here. But dumbing down his character to only the worst qualities and summing him up as _that_ simple is ignoring the author's work.
Maybe people are repeating each other coz they are correct? Femto IS Griffith and Griffith was never shown as a good person.
While I never condone Griffith's actions. I understand why he acted the way he does. I see the eclipse more as an act of desperation than revenge. He didn't even intend to start the eclipse in the first place, he tried to kill himself because, frankly there's nothing left to live for.
Him having a breakdown over Guts' departure isn't totally out of possessiveness or ego, Guts at some point became his emotional anchor. He was the only one that made him 'forget his dream' amidst the suffocating politics, wars and mostly the ever change grey lines he has to tread. He reminded him of the 'freedom' of not having a dream and living on one's own terms unlike others that live in mediocrity by giving up on their dreams, that's why he considers him his equal. He was his only reminder of his humanity, until then he viewed everyone as stepping stones, he was good in the sense he didn't do anything bad, every praiseworthy act he did that won everyone's devotion was a carefully planned transaction. The total opposite to Guts, who acted of his morals, his humanity
When Guts left, he commits his first and final human mistake and sleeps with Charlotte which had grave consequences.
People severely downplay Griffith's torture as if it's a slap on the wrist. I won't go into the nasty details but my best way to summarise it is, it made even someone as tough as Guts horrified.
He was no longer the Griffith everyone loved and admired. He was a husk of his former self. His own band that looked upto him with admiration and trust now look down on him with pity and doubt. He tried to force himself on Casca, who once loved him in a desperate attempt for validation only to get rejected by her further cementing the fact to how far he has fallen.
Finally he decides to kill himself when he suddenly gets a UNO reverse card at the cost of his friends. He chose his dream.
Then he sees Guts, who, in his eyes started it all and seeing Casca with him further cemented the thought that he took everything from him. He then forces himself on Casca in an act of 'revenge' on Guts as she symbolized, in Griffith's eyes 'everything that Guts took from him'.
I won't say Griffith did nothing wrong but I won't act as if every guy that gets tortured and broken would make the sanest decisions afterwards.
"Him having a breakdown over Guts' departure isn't totally out of possessiveness or ego [...]"
I disagree. Guts was never an equal in the eyes of Griffith. The reason why Guts, or infact, anyone of the band stayed with Griffith, is because Griffith had what everyone of them was seeking. Purpose. And Griffith looks down on others who do not have a purpose. Ironically, this seems what is the grand paradox in his character. He only respects others who have a dream, but rather than encouraging others to grow their own light, he capitalizes on its absence and keeps them at bay, dying for his.
When Guts decided to leave, by Griffiths values, he should have been qualifying himself closely to somewhat of a friend, because he decided to search for purpose. But Griffith did not respect that since he wanted Guts to be his tool and not his equal friend. Think about it this way. What would have been the outcome if Griffith would have won the duel? "You are too weak to escape my grip, therefore get back in line and swallow your hopes."?
Throughout the whole series, it was only shown once, that behind this charming mask and the "do what you want"-mentality, lies a predator, who actively wants you aimless.
I don't care how tough you are mentally...a lot of folks would have taken that deal
yep everybody here are acting like they are heroes behind keyboards,a comfortable life,but if they did experience only half of what griffith did, 99% of them would have accepted the deal
@@Okayeg. as much as you might think you love your friends or family...in a burning building, when you feel the heat of the fire & the thought of imminent death...a humans very first instinct in that moment, is to save himself
@@kengrand5445 so true,experienced that with earthquake,at that moment,all you think about is yourself,after the earthquake is done,you think about your family
Yep, everyone would, a 100%. But Griffith's mistake isn't taking the deal, it's fucking the princess and knowing that it's a really bad idea. He could do anything else to cope with Guts leaving, but he chose the worst thing to do. And in his mind, with his insane mental gymnastics somehow blames Guts for everything.
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Some people forget that you can understand a villain and hate him at the same time, when you toss away half of what makes him a villain, in other words, their past, you get an empty vessel of malice, not a character, just someting to hate and make us relate to the protagonist, but that is too simple, and this manga is everything, but simple, you would never be near to understand the mentality and pain of Guts and how cruel his universe is if you just simplified the character of the monsters and villains (and even heroes) that are around him, you could lose a very essential part of the history and end up reading a just "darker" adventure manga
Thats a really good analisys, i remembered not understanding griffith's perspective the first time i readed berserk. If there's one thing in the world i hate is traitors, they manipulate you from the beggining, are not willing to truly simpathise with you and never really are on your side. But if you see from grifith's perspective, he was betrayed by gutts long ago when he decided to go on his own journey, and so had a completly diferrent perpective of him wile being tortured and moments before the sacrifice, its a sacrifice of equal value, he didnt want to, but he did. Today, knowing myself, i still cant forgive him, but i understand him in many ways, griffith truly is a human, but the things that made him redeemable he decided to sacrifice, and that's why i cant forgive him.
Man i love this manga.
The point i was trying to make was that i did not understanded the concept of "a traitor" in my first read, and its funny how my perspective for his actions changed trought the years, but yet, i still hate his coice for different reasons. I think my comment was kinda convoluted but i hope you got the point.
@@joaoveigamelo I got it it’s similar to how traitor is not used in the original sense as guts fought for his freedom 1v1 not in his group and doing malicious things like selling weapons info etc to other groups kinda like how people who don’t like other peoples actions to the point they call them nazi’s but they don’t understand what it encompasses yes they did something bad or maybe they are overreacting it’s like in the us both sides are crazy in darkness even while the real issues plaguing the people are overshadowed and some people are feeling resentment like Griffith basics are not met and both sides fight for 0.5% of the population not the ruined lives of others
1. Guts was the one who saved Griffith
2. His "betrayal" was nowhere close to as bad as Griffiths even through Griffith's perspective
3. The entire Band of The Hawk was sacrificed, not just Guts. They didn't betray Griffith, not even remotely.
Griffith couldn't take someone not needing him and being stronger than him. In the end, it's not Guts' fault for what Girffith did and getting caught. If you're given a tough situation, it is up to you to how you handle it. Griffith didn't handle it properly and ended up the way he did. Guts didn't betray him, he just did what Griffith considered a friend would do and he didn't want to be trapped in another person's dream. He had his own thing.
I find it a sort of interesting paradox in what you said, or rather the way you worded it, the idea that the thing that would have redeemed him is the thing the causes the need for redemption in the first place. Pretty cool.
I understand why he made the decision but when I see all the pain he caused to guts and casca and many more I just can't forgive him
I can.
@@ethandaniels-r6w y?
@@ethandaniels-r6w Good for you. I can't, other Ethan.
How about the kingdom that he built that gave safety and comfort to many people? Berserk world was full of violence, famine, and suffering. Griffith saved the world basically. And all the creatures are now under his control, there are no apostles killing innocent people. Griffith saved thousands of people by killing his army. Does that change anything about Griffith?
I'm not condoning what he did, just interested how people will react to this fact. It's like the trolley problem basically
@@ethandaniels-r6w piss off
I think he absolutely broke when he saw Guts and Casca embrace, two people he wanted to control and he couldn’t anymore, not physically not mentally. He couldn’t be in charge anymore.
why is no one talking about how good the thumbnail is,it looks like Miura himeslf drew it
Actaully though ?
What chapter is this panel from ?
@@JaxThaStuntman this may be fan art. I wouldve remembered it if it was this intricate.
@@martygusto3056 definitely fan art, perfectly executed though
@@JaxThaStuntman "*looks* like Miura drew it himself"
“His treason” lmao bro beat the kings daughters cheeks in before her own dad did
😂
I recently read "A Tale of Two Cities". There are so many theme paralles. One being the debilitating effects of isolation and traumawoth Dr.Manette. His character is a cross between Griffith and Casca in terms of experience, and reaction to trauma respectivly.
That's an interesting comparison!
Always wanted to read that one, now I have even more reason to do it.
And remember that NONE of this would've happened if Guts wouldn't have left.....
Egos is what caused the demise of the Band of the Hawk
It would happen one way or another, "destiny" isn't just a vague concept on Berserk.
God directly interfers with the human world.
As complex as Griffith is and how understandable his actions are, it will never excuse what he did.
After being tortured he probably felt he deserved to have total power and control over everyone, and it isnt surprising to me that he would decide to inflict such pain on Guts by doing what he did to Casca. It was a power move. Griffith was probably angry at Guts for rescuing him. For seeing him in that pitiful state. For seeing his mutilated face and body. I truly believe he felt humiliated that Guts out of all people was the one who saved him. I think that Griffith would have preferred to have been executed by his torturer, or at least a mercy killing from Guts. He probably really began to hate him after that because truly at a certain point respect and reverance was lost. Doing what he did to Casca was his way of saying, "you will never have the upper hand ever again". He felt that Guts had humiliated him, and he was retaliating by humiliating Guts in return. Definitely evil.
Doesn’t excuse him for rping casca and all the bs guts went through
ye.
it do
People who say "Griffith did nothing wrong/Griffith is not Femto"(just like bunch of comments in here) I believe is seriously lacking in reading comprehension. Griffith's core personality and goals were clear right from the beginning, his sheer relentlessness for his goals has always been shown to us during the golden age. If you switch perspective and look things from the Queen(Midland) and the small bald guy's perspective, you can see how shrewd Griffith is with his tactics. Some of the things he did are unnecessary, he just did some of them to humiliate the enemy. He always had his sadistic side we saw from him as Femto, it simply hasn't been fully realized before since he still has a role to fulfill and was made hesitant by Guts. Griffith and Femto has always been one, the only thing that separates them is their priorities, determination and the spiky massive schlong he probably got during eclipse.
If you think Griffith is not Femto then I'd like to know when specifically he became Femto that you say is a different entity. The general consensus is that he became Femto the moment he hatched from the egg, but before that he already tried to rape Casca and also tried to strangle Guts, he just couldn't complete the task due to his body. If you say during the long torture, well he did save Guts when he fell during Eclipse, I don't think the bad Femto would save Guts in that situation chief.
The thing is that if Griffith never had sex with the princess, he would have not gone through this torture. He could have went to a brothel or hooked up with another woman. But he intentionally went to see Princess Charlotte. That action may have been the most selfish and idiotic act he has done before releasing the beheilot's power.
He didn't do this just for pleasure. Even the Hawks knew that he has to go after the princess, to achieve the goals and was hoping to merry her.
He also knew, that the princess liked him very much and would not refuse to sleep with him. I mean even after a year of torture, the princess wanted to be with him.
But I agree.. it was very risky, maby other Kings would have said nothing... because Griffith was a very noble Man also Knight, the Hero of the Kingdom, that ended the 100 Year War. + All of the possible Mates for the princess were dead.
And even then.. her Father, the King was a crazy person... that laid hand on his own daughter, he never wanted her to get married anyways.
But all I want to say is:
He was a perfect Mate for the Princess, it was just that her Father was crazy and he did a very risky move, instead of waiting.
@@OraOraOra I don't think it's an accident, that the one and only time in the series where Griffith miscalculates, is not only after he loses his most valuable asset, Guts, but also when is bested for the first time.
Great video, a very good playing the devil advocate perspective and i gotta admit the points you have brought up have really resonated with me.I am no Griffith lover by any means, but at least the imagery of the castle and the point of all the deaths of people following him being in vain already spoke to me when reading.That being said i didnt connect how much the torture must have affected him, and the point that you brought up about being granted a second chance at greatness....Its more than a tempting offer.Having lost everything, now getting a chance to get it all back and more?
Great video!
Considering how the king views his daughter I'm not sure the situation would've changed
I loved Griffith and Guts together, that was my favorite part in Berserk but as we know from the manga, these things never last.
The biggest difference between Guts and Griffith is Guts went through a literal lifetime of hell. He’s been through the wringer his whole life. When Griffith had to go through the same, he couldn’t handle it. The torture broke him. He blamed everyone, especially guts, for what happened to him. Not what he did.
Griffith did what was human, he did what was right. If Alexander the Great had 1 last chance to unite the world and make it a better place, after of years of struggle and torture he would have taken that chance.
He wasn't tortured enough.
Basado
I think death would have suited him better, and I think the king should've gotten tortured as well since he was the one who touched his own daughter.
griffith's actions as femto are unforgivable, but if I was in his situation I'd summon the god hand too
lol. he is a god. he can do all he want!
It was his own fault he was put in that situation. No one told him to act like a slighted woman after Guts rightfully earned his freedom in a fair duel they both agreed to. Would you also do the same if your best friend beat you on fair terms? Griffith is nothing more than a soft prima donna.
The eclipse is karma coming for the whole band. They ALL killed mindlessly, hundreds of not thousands of people for money and adoration. Guts and Casca included. None of them were good people, and it caught up with them all.
So much better than the simple good guy vs bad guy dynamic the we see in most hero movies. Villains tend to be hard to relate to, lack good motives (even the ones people think are complex like thanos, who couldve just made infinite resources and then nobody has to die, pretty dumb) or they are disconnected from our hero making it easy to root for superman or whatever. But griffith is different, complex, great motives behind his actions, close connection to our heroes, hes a perfect nemesis
Griffith didn't sacrifice his close friends, he sacrificed his subordinates and colleagues. Guts was the only friend in the sacrifice and the exception.
After reading through that page where griffith is mentioning Guts is the only thing that flickers in Griffiths mind, it made me think the the author is trying to show Griffiths resentment towards Guts in a more embodied way, as oppose to just explaining it. He was showcasing it.
As far as i understand, people at times blame others for things that go wrong in their lives. Even when things are the result of actions they took, which perhaps were suboptimal, people who struggle with accountability will put the blame on another. Ive certainly be touched by this resentment/victim mentality.
So i just imagine, how Griffith is feeling, when all of this, according to his personal/subjective narrative, unfolded because 'Guts decided to leave him'- and as a result, he went to sleep with a princess, and did a poor job of self soothing, and spoke out of place and lashed out on a pedophile king, etc ->ALL because Guts left him
In a way the torture made him transcend beyond humanity. It was metamorphosis. Only Griffith could take a horrible situation and turn it around.
Dawg, he didn’t turn anything around. If anything, he just dove even deeper into madness
@@Donut6975Research asceticism very specifically Hindu and Buddhism people cause inexplicable pain and torture upon themselves to ascend to a higher existence. There are many Catholic sects like this too. Buddhist monks would starve themselves for a whole 7 days to try and reach the gate to death, witnessing and seeing that has known to given them god like knowledge. Odin himself stabbed his eye and impaled himself on a tree to gain more power.
I often wonder what would have happened if Griffith had behaved differently after sleeping with Charlotte. Obviously he was going to be in big trouble no matter what, but if he hadn't taunted and disrespected the king afterwards, do you still think he would have been imprisoned and tortured to such an extent?
I'd like to hear what other fans think: do you think Griffith could have potentially maneuvered his way out of this situation? Or do you think his fate was sealed as soon as he slept with Charlotte, and he would have been punished just as harshly no matter what he said to the king after being caught?
I doubt anything would’ve changed. The king was in love with his own daughter and hated the idea of someone else having her. Even if Griffith showed genuine remorse, it would likely just lighten his sentence.
This is crazy I made a thread on a forum site regarding this exact same topic a while back but yea who knows that part is still hard to say for me cause the King was so obsessed with having his own daughter first like a creep he probably would've did anybody foul who took her virginity.
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awesome video. I get annoyed by griffith apologists acting like he did no wrong but I've always advocated for the complexity of griffth and drew as much attention as I could to the fact he was tortured for a year straight right before the eclipse :/ He's such a brilliantly complicated character and his relationship with Guts is what makes the series so fucking amazing. People who try to just act like he was simply evil are sorely missing out.
Thank you, for one of the first Nuanced take on this thread, what makes Griffith so interesting is his humanity and how he chose to reject it for his dream. Guts and Griffith's relationship is probably one of the most interesting and compelling relationship in literature as it kinda transcends labels and is a real driving force of this story. I just whish this fandom wouldnt shut down people with a different opinion, I mean we are not in a cult
Also lets not forget that griffith was pre-destined to get to his lowest point and make the sacrifice. He really didn't have a choice, as he would still get brought down to his lowest point.
This is by far one of the best review I've ever heard about Griffith and his choice. This is a story of a fallen hero not a devilish man.
This is one of the saddest part about the eclipse, because even if killing all his friends and followers and turning the world into a fantasy dystopia was his choice and his alone, he never really had anything to return into if he turned his head around...
I agree that it’s very hard to judge someone for their actions after so much torment. I have to say though, that it’s also hard to believe that Griffith wouldn’t have taken the deal on any given Tuesday. Godlike power and an eternal kingdom in exchange for people he was already willing to sacrifice if necessary.
People probably forget that Griffith after transformation wasn’t really himself. When people transform into apostles all of their negative traits get amplified very significantly. In Griffith’s case there has always been this dualism: silly child and loyal friend on one hand (he risked his life for Guts at least twice), and ruthless manipulator obsessed with control on the other. Femto embodies second group of traits, even though there’s still some good left in him since he clearly lets Guts to escape (manga shows it very well).
Also people put themselves into Guts’ position, but what would you choose in place of Griffith? How many of you would turn down such an offer just to be a crippled husk of human instead?
He didn't let Guts escape at all his power just didn't work on Skull Knight when he was carrying Guts and Casca on his horse. You really think this fruitcake that sacrificed all of the members of his group willingly, then violate Casca infront of Guts on purpose, would suddenly have sympathy for them and let them escape?
@@Rodemu Not them - Guts. In manga it’s clearly shown how he raises hand, after in few panels picture zooms on Guts, and he put his hand down. After it happened Griffith had at least 2 chances to kill Guts: one when Count called for God’s Hand and Guts attacked him, and second when Griffith returned from Astral Plane. It’s never happened.
Also there’s no proof that powers of Femto don’t work on Skull Knight.
i was always wondering how bad was griffith's torture, unimaginable probably, which, as far as i imagine, is the thing that made him do what he did..
It was part of it. The other part is that he can’t stand not being in control of what he thinks he possesses more than anything
@@refreshingnoodle8118 it was not just part of it, it was most of the part. Why couldn’t he control what he thought he possessed? Because of what the torture did to him.
That's actually a really good take on Griffith I've never heard it before
I love that you pointed out that historical records show that (most) professional torturers/assassins HATED their job
Griffith is like that friend you had once only to realize too late that he was a psychopath the entire time.
It's understandable why he did what he did Even if it's evil I think the Worse part was what he did To Casca as that was completely unnecessary and was a spiteful action to Hurt Guts
That is the nature of malice and narcissistism. Actions are born out of the desire to satisfy the ego and feel dominant. Nothing more. He graaaped her to prove he was now the one on top after guts left. To steal the one good thing he had left. The tactful mind would've killed them immediately to complete the ritual and achieve 100% success. His last to satisfy his ego allowed guts and casca to escape with the skull knight
bro wtf are u on about? everything he did was unnecessary.
@@DavidMarin-pt2wc Ok his body Was damaged beyond repair and He was being hunted by the kingdom also He had mentally broken and he thought His army was willing to die for him so he had no problem sacrificing them not Saying it was the right thing to do by any means it was Evil but Like it's understandable from his stand point and was Necessary to obtain his dream.
@@HadeTheReal many are prescribing understanding=sympathy when that is far from true. I understand his motivations and still have no sympathy. It was 100%clear he would've sacrificed them all without the torture. It just brought them all to one spot for the behelit to activate.
@Hade TheReal ohhhh ok. For a sec i thought u were trying to justify what that nigga did.
The fate of a king.
The reason why his torture doesn’t excuse what he did in the eclipse is because he brought that torture upon himself. It wasn’t a ploy, or conspiracy against him; it was him, and him alone. By that point, Griffith had pretty much won everything. He won the game. He had elevated the hawks from a band of mercenaries to a royal army. He was given the title of lord and was no longer a commoner. He captured Dolrey and became the hero of midland. He got rid of all of his conspirators and enemies. The king actually held him in high regard, and the princess was in love with him. And despite the king’s “feelings” for his daughter, he wasn’t dumb and surely he knew that she had to marry to someone eventually. Griffith, now being a lord, and also a hero who commanded the most prestigious army, was the perfect candidate. All Griffith had to do was formerly ask for the princess’ hand and his dream would of been complete. By marrying the princess he would have become the new king of midland and not only have the kingdom he always wanted, but the kingdom he actually fought for. But he threw it all away on a single night simply because he couldn’t control his emotions. Sure, Gut’s departure may have affected him sure, but you cannot hold Guts responsible for Griffith actions afterwards. Guts did everything for him, and only left after the war was won. He felt he was no longer needed, and that Griffith had accomplished his dream, and so it was time for him to move on. But Griffith, being the control freak that he is, couldn’t accept that, and so challenged Guts to a duel which Guts easily won. At that point, is all on Griffith. Sure I get he was distraught, but he’s a grown man and the commander of an army, and in that instance, he acted like a child. A child who was mad because he lost his favorite toy. Nobody forced him to go to the princess’ chambers that night. He could’ve gone to Casca or literally any woman in the kingdom and he would’ve been fine. But no, that wasn’t enough for him, he had to go for the damn princess. And that’s why he ended up that way. So yes, I feel bad that he ended up in such a terrible situation, but to say that that somehow excuses the eclipse is nothing more than selfish thinking, because once again, he brought that situation upon himself.
I feel like people miss the point of Griffith a lot when they dismiss “Griffith did nothing wrong” arguments. He commits objectively terrible acts, but he is not wrong as a person. The point is that no human on the planet, no matter how good of a person they think they might be, could withstand what Griffith endured and not accept the God Hand’s offer. Two years of torture that would make even the toughest man beg for death after an hour, and your so-called friends don’t show up to save you until you’re already a broken husk of a man. The experience no doubt gave him a profound hatred for humanity. All of us would do the same as Griffith in his position.
The amount of people that think Griffith = Femto is huuuge
Once Griffith take the deal, he cease to exist. Griffith did not rape Casca, Femto did. Griffith came back later, but there is a time in berserk where there is no Griffith anymore
that's like saying the Dr. Josef Mangele didn't kill all those Jewish people, the Angel of Death did.
@@syntheticvocalist-p472 Are you comparing Real life events and a fictionnal character ?
@@quickjustify are you saying my comparison has anything to do with which events are real and fictional?
I loved the last three minute.
may you be blessed by the algorithm.
after that torture.. wouldn't someone take the deal?
Worst part of it why did he have to do that to Guts? To all the people that cared about him to Casca who admired him, it is truly a monster
Because guts left him, the only real friend he had up and left him. Leaving a hollow feeling inside him.
@@Fcxkyyy Griffith said he didn't view Guts and the others as his friends though more like stepping stones so yeah that makes no sense. He is a coward with no balls that broke after a year of torture. Guts his whole life was torture yet he doesn't sacrifice people to get demonic powers.
@@Rodemu your acting as if nobody would break after a year of gruesome torture, and Griffith did love the band of the hawk but as tools he gave up his body just so they could have the funding for food and essential,many of them would die for Griffith so sacrificing part wasn’t shocking. But what he did to Casca was fucked up.
Then again there’s no morality in the world of berserk.
@@FcxkyyyLoving someone as a tool is not love even if you’ve tricked yourself into believing that’s the case. Griffith loved nothing but himself. Griffith didn’t give up his body so they could have the funding for food out of the kindness of his heart and love of the band. It was all about his personal aspirations. He did it for himself.
What Griffith was wrong, because he betrayed his friends, the people who loved him. However, I can't blame him, maybe we all would do the same. Humanity aside, the behelit is a mysterious force that will be released you want it or not, so was Griffith just a victim of the crimson behelit? Wasn't his fate sealed when he received the behelit? I believe he was, Griffith was controlled by fate, and if this is true, then Griffith is innocent.
still an asshole, but yeah
There's something I've always been curious about, but would hope to never see come to fruition; the concept of a "dark enlightenment."
Imagine taking a normal person and putting them through a sort of excruciating ringer like this, may be not as full on with physical torment but utter isolation in the dark and essentially kept alive amidst the entirety of it. Or worse, what if someone did so...willingly?
Like flagellants of old I guess. Always makes me wonder what kind of _actual_ darkness would form in the end. I think Kentaro Miura once asked himself the same question, seeing the rise of voluntary isolation in his country, and made this aspect of Griffith's arc.
thought any further on this?
you should check out the french movie "martyrs." it's based upon a very similar idea to this
You've said Griffith was strong enough to accept the beheilt deal. Where's the strenght in this? In my opinion that feat is not of strength. Rather extreme selfishness.
Griffith had 2 options: accepting the deal, or refuse it. The first one means for him another chance to fulfill his dream, it's both a reset and a power-up button. And there's the latter option: accept mistakes he made, accept he's not all so perfect as he(everyone) would image. Griffith could embrace the fact that he's just human and peace with it. Knowing his state of body and mind at that point it would require superhuman inner strenght and will (not that me myself would be able to resist it). Basicaly at that moment Griffith lost.
It takes strength to be selfish at times. Especially if it hurts people you care about, and Griffith did even at this point, and thats impressive actually. Personally I couldn't sacrifice my familys lives for infinite money and a carefree life. Even if you try and act like the only factors are A: get infinite value B: living a mediocre life. it ends up being more complicated hence the hesitation by Griffith and the needed manipulation
shut it.
^ related to this, strength is not defined by morality, you can be evil and have strength. i would say it would take strength to do what griffith did. he took what he wanted most and discarded everything else. of course, if he were to decide against sacrificing everyone, it would also be an act of strength. he would be giving up his dreams for the sake of his friends. doing nothing wouldve been weak
can you sacrafice your loved ones?
It also takes strength to approach the unknown transition after having your humanity burned away and transcending into being a literal semi deity. It's not like he was just being restored into his normal healthy human self he was actually being reincarnated into something evil and having his good traits stripped away to leave nothing but the negative and selfish traits within him as his main driving force.
His worst torture is knowing deep down he brought all that shit by his own hand 🙄
His own God hand
Hearing about how they cut his tendons, ripped his tongue, and skinned his body wasn't even the worst part. It's just the fact that he was probably conscious the entire time all of this happen and especially the tendons, for me that is such a vital part that having it cut I just don't want to ever imagine and all done slowly for someone's pleasure.
I will never understand why people think Griffith (pre-eclipse) is evil or at least any worse than guts. He didn’t force anyway to join the hawks, he fought in battle. Keeping to yourself and seeing your employees as “toys” are (terrible) coping mechanisms. He was tortured for a year and manipulated into making a decision that he might’ve had no choice in because it was orchestrated by literal god demons. Post eclipse, go ham, but pre eclipse isn’t any worse than the standard morally gray anime protagonist people tend to stan.
The outlast music in the background is amazing with this 🔥
An awesome ending would be, instead of Griffith dying, he loses his Hodhand power and is reduced back to the state he was in when he made the sacrifice😂
Griffith is nothing more than a well written villain.
Griffith could have lived in the care oh the hawks if he had refused to sacrifice them. But sacrificing the hawks was the only way he could fulfill his dream so gg
Living as a cripple for the rest of your life would be pretty devastating beside the dream.
Nah man that scene where guts puts the armor on crippled Griffith...and Casca tries to take care of him and he flops on top of her like a fish outta water...that part to me is some of the most soul crushing shit in the whole story. No wonder Griffith tries to end it all right after that. His life was over.
I mean he could've just be honest with guts and say like "Why are you wanting leave" and listen him then accept this. He would have got a happy ending
@@kuyruklubyk767 griffith could have a happier ending if he had the guts to cope with the fact that Guts left him.
@@kuyruklubyk767 One little plot divot(I won't go as far to call it a plot hole) is never once does the question get asked if Guts plans to return...which would be a very important detail to Griffith...which he ends up doing lol
I mean, for what he would eventually do to his "friends" especially Casca and how selfish/possessive he became this torture is fitting for him.
I love the video.. but please credit the artist Maya Panda. Pieces like the one in the thumbnail take hours upon hours
i wouldve taken the deal as soon as the torture started. im not suffering for others when i can push it on them so i can be free and happy because i will only die with me like i was only born with me so i will live free and happy as i can be and you and griffith arent wrong for wanting that for yourself. there is more to life than others
The virgin "griffith did nothing wrong" vs the chad "griffith didn't deserve this torture"
Gigachad "Griffith deserved more torture".
@@diego1590 🙏
People who say "Griffith did nothing wrong" are of the same mentality of Princess Charlotte, they get eaten while the picture of Guts and Griffith's manipulative character go past their baby-a$$ smooth brains.
instead of inspiring, griffith started hating guts. he started thinking that this is all guts's fault like(its all mickey's fault) in tokyo revenger
This video is so well done. Everything was so well done.
This video is amazing the outlast music dang man this vid just was peak
Ambition without conscience is pure darkness.
Bro Griffith sacrificed all his “friends” and comrades for a GAY ASS BATMAN SUIT.
People always trying to justify Griffith s deeds or make us empathetic towards him is ridiculous he was the cause of his torture and no one else he defiled Charlotte and no one else
The motive, however understandable it may be, does not excuse the crime
@@onkelreyleigh6353 well said. It gives the character depth making him more interesting. It does nothing to justify the crime.
No one is trying to justify it here
@@xenosayain1506 because you are a baby .
@@gakukilegrandgenerale2354 did you mean to reply to me or someone else? Be cause I have no idea what you're talking about.
i really wanna see the ending in anime version, this was the best anime I've ever seen, along with HxH and some other gems. Great video!
Whatever sympathy I had for Griffith is destroyed after the eclipse.
He is thinking
"these people said they'd die in my honor, but they left *Me* to die. So they can serve as the sacrifice for *My* reincarnation. I can get revenge for their abandonment of me"
Even though everything that had happened to him wasn't anyones fault but his own. Griffith thinks himself as a Holy God but in reality he is a Sadistic Devil
Love the Outlast music
Makas me want to play it again ahahaha
Gives me shivers only when I hear it
Even knowing somewhat that he was gonna be the big bad and that this was done because of his own hubris when first reading this arc on a basic human level you sympathize anyone going through what they implied and directly showed he did.
Bravo! Great video and it actually made me realize that most people would have done what Griffith did especially after that torture.
Griffith did nothing wrong, you will also sacrifice.
the most dear guy to you who betrayed you, then cause of betrayal you go to prison, get tortured brutally in dark cause of him leaving you for no reason,
Then when he finnaly saves you from the 1 year torture, he again wants to leave you,
Then you find the behelit, ready to sacrifice your flesh and blood for power but he interprets and ruins everything, then you are left with two choices :
1. Die and go to hell.
2. Sacrifice for power
He didn't betray him he us a free man he has the right to be free and leave, he quiet literally raped a woman, the daughter of the king he deserved that painful turtue, he didn't just sacrifice his friends for power, he raped the hus friend's loved one INF FRONT OF HIS EYE.
People like you were same people ho sympathized adolf Hitler.
i still remember the young naive me when he first reached the chapter that Griffith was rescued from his torture shell and i felt so sad and angry for what they did to him.....now after 20 years i would gladly throw him back there to rot.
I always felt like he was a massive scumbag he tell guts to his face that he belongs to him his options were to die for him or to die and that was the only person Griffith considered close to a friend
Griffith: wanna see me fuck it up?
*wanna see me do it again, literally?*