Rest In Peace, Kentaro Miura. An absolute legend whose storytelling transcends and will continue to transcend forever. It’s impossible to put into words how much he touched my life with Berserk and that is also true with countless others around the world. Thank you❤️
@Luca Baki well, if you take the neitzcheian sense of self actualization you can kind of get it. will to power and all. the whole thing of not clipping your wings and actually achieving an ideal at all costs. Not that I necissarily agree with it, but it is compelling and powerful. Not to settle for mediocrity. the drive to abandon everything for an ideal. because if you are not willing to abandon everything else, than do you really truely believe in it? Its a catch 22. if griffith didnt take that faustian bargain, what made griffith a great man, his uncompromising dedication would be hollow. but in taking it, he also endangers that which he created along the way. Im not saying to forgive griffith, but not too throw it outright. thats what makes his character compelling.
@@midshipman8654 I will hate Griffith for the rest of my life no matter what anyone says like how can someone forgive a person like that, imagine you were guts you never have a family no one loves and wants you around u thought that you finally find people that wants you around u thought you finally find yourself a friend but then that friend betrays you by sacrificing you and all of your other friends and also raping your girlfriend in the process, all just for power and his dream. Just saying anything good about him is an unforgivable thing. If I was Guts too I'm calling every last one of them without mercy
this. right here so much. i tried to give this guy a chance in his explanation, but gave up when he said "he despises entitlement"... when the fuck did he show that? we know hes arrogant from the start and always had to have his way, charismatic or not.
@@burryto3389 He's not entitled. Entitlement means that you think deserve something just because its your right. Griffith has always worked and sacrified to get what he wants. He isnt entitled. He says he wants something and he goes out and gets it. He proves it. He's also not arrogant, as he's happy to sell his body if it means he can get closer to his goal, and also eats with his men and respects them. Its another reason why they like him so much. He's Charismatic, Respectful, and Considerate (even if that consideration is an means to an end). So yeah he does actually despise entitlement. He takes what he wants. He expects nothing to be handed to him.
@@abigcupofwater okay I may have missed something from berserk but why does everyone say that he planned to kill everyone from the start? I feel like he just did it because he knew what he'd get from it in that moment, not beforehand
Most people aren't trying to excuse or justify his actions, they just don't think he's evil incarnate, he's human and his actions had humanity behind them, and that's what this video is trying to show.
and that's why I dislike people who hate him so much; given specific circumstances, they could do similarly bad things. Not necessarily, literally this one, but something of a similar value of outcome.
@@turbotrup96 I dont think alot of the people would do what he did in similar circumstances, look at people in the same story as Griffith who didnt already. Youre are right that some would though, those ppl are being hypocrites.
@@honeyy5240 except griffith apologists like griffith because he is a complex, nuanced, and charismatic character. and while sangwoo is many of those, the reasons most of his stans like him are 😬
Literally all Griffith had to do to achieve his dream was keep it in his pants regarding the princess, wait a couple years for the king to die (or assassinate him) and swoop in for the easy marriage
But he couldn't, he was distraught over guts leaving him. Not only was he abandoned by the closest thing he had to a friend, but he was beaten and humiliated in a way that he had never been before in his life. He lost in every sense of the word and that drove him to act rashly.
@@boianko and? He could've went in cried a few days in despair and try to get his mind right. But he didn't he acted incredibly emotionally and he regretted what he did almost immediately, he knew it was wrong yet, did it anyway. He doesn't get a pass G.
Dorian Gray uhh, i think you missed the point of that argument kill an enemy=ok. kill every ally and friend you've ever had, rape the woman who devoted her life to you while staring the man she loves in the eye as an act of spite=not ok.
"enemy" is who pay you less? THEY FIGHT FOR MONEY, MONEY. "friends" who just use him, an act like he is already dead when he was crippled. So stfup, they all deserve death, include caska, not just rape.
Dorian Gray you clearly haven't read it, because if you had, you would know that griffith made the transition from a mercenary to a paid general of the midland army by the time of the eclipse. he doesn't fight for money for half the series, he fights for his king and country. and none of his friends acted like he was already dead, particularly casca, who turned her back on guts to take care of the crippled griffith. then griffith raped her, not because he hated her, but because guts loved her and he wanted to hurt guts.
The worst part about Griffith betraying Guts to me that the main reason Guts left in the first place was because of his sincere will to be Griffith's friend. In hope to achive that, he bailed on the glory he had in order to find his own dream and be able to be beside Griffith as a true friend. That wouldn't have been possible if Guts didn't trust Griffith as a leader and was so sure he will be able to continue through his dream after he leaves. Bearing in mind it was the best time to leave as the band had gained enough status to go on with their plans smoothly with no complications. The band didn't really need him anymore. But Griffith ruined it all and blamed it on Guts due to his sick and self-rightouse mind. Guts only mistake was expecting too much from Griffith, and trusting him, only to be betrayed just like how Gambino did to him.
i think griffith ruined it all more because of his lack of trust in his own abilty to achieve his dreams without guts. i think without guts he thought he couldn't achieve the kind of greatness he had achieved up to that point. he saw him as a very useful tool but also depended on him a lot as a friend. griffith was very possesive of guts which farther served to derail him.
Griffith sacrificing the band of the hawk had a bigger, logical motive behind it. Raping Casca was out of pure spite towards Guts for almost making his unattainable.
@@memo-sn1gu it's not even just the act itself, it's what it says about him. The first thing he did with power was show us exactly why he should've never had it.
I think that him raping casca was also in part revenge on her. Above anything, griffith hates being looked down upon and when he tried to take advantage of casca post-torture in the wagon to see if he could take control of something all he got was pity.
>Meleron Nef The point is that we ignore it in ourselves. If one is a fan of Berserk and yet has no capacity for empathizing with Griffith's arc, then I think they've missed the point of the narrative, or are otherwise (on some unconscious level) denying the ugly truth of our animalistic nature. That is, when all hope for our own survival is lost - we can, in a flash of feral instinct - become brutal, terrifying, bloodthirsty creatures devoid of the moral gravitas we normally use to justify our supposed moral high ground.
The fact that debates about Griffith still rage to this day, 30 years later, is evidence of what an incredibly nuanced and brilliantly-written character he is.
Griffith was always an asshole, but he was so handsome, confident and charismatic, no one could see it. In a world of listless characters with no ambition or education, he offered meaning and purpose. No one stopped to ask whether his goals were moral or good- that didn't even enter their heads. He offered them a path in a pathless world and they took it, but, they didn't understand him, didn't understand his boundless ambition might crush them too someday. Now guts isn't exactly a paragon of virtue either, and up to a point, even he was taken in by Griffith. Guts was a blunt instrument when Griffith found him, but over time he began to want more, something beyond endless battle for another man's dream. Guts began to develop as a human being, morally and as an individual...and then the eclipse came and fate took over.
yeah gotta be honest i learned about the eclipse scene and griffith’s choice before even becoming familiar with the storyline so that pretty much characterized my feelings about him from the jump because from the outside looking into a series i’d never read he’d always seemed like a toxic guy waiting for much darker things to be brought out of him and i wasn’t able to understand people who actually argued he did nothing wrong
@@boolboi2296 what griffith did before the caska thing is justifiable. All these people put their lives on the line in every battle for him and his dream. Many people died for his dream. Now, he is given the opportunity to achieve his dream and this is the only way. If he refused, that would mean he gave up on his dream. Wouldn't that betray all the people that died for that dream. Shouldn't guts and others be willing to sacrfice themselves. If griffith gives up on his dream, doesen't that make everything they have done so far pointless. Not to mention, a lot of the member from the band of the hawk left which means that only the loyal ones stayed. Isn't it their wish to do anything for griffith and his ambition
@@andrijastimac8548 it doesn't mean they wanted to die, they wanted to risk their lives for him and they would've accepted death as a result but they didn't sign up to be just slaughtered like that I know what you're trying to say and I know what I said sounds contradictory, but we humans are contradictory, their love for Griffith wasn't unconditional if they knew what he was all along they wouldn't have been so loyal, they didn't ask for anything in return from Griffith but somewhere in their hearts they believed that he cared for them ,if in the eclipse Griffith explained everything and asked them to die for his dream I doubt they'd say yes P.S: I'm sorry if you didn't understand my comment I don't really know how to explain what I'm thinking right now
Griffith is a Luciferian character. Beautiful, powerful, talented, and charismatic, with the fatal flaws of being self-absorbed, arrogant, and envious. His actions are unjustifiable, morally speaking - but they make absolute narrative sense, and that's what makes him a great character.
@@justaguyonyoutube4592 I think it makes a lot of sense - and it shows not only how spiteful he was (as you point out), but also proud, envious, and emotionally frail. If I were he and in his place, I would blame Guts for the stupid decision I made after he left - and I would then find it unbearable how two underlings that were at my heel and felt nothing but admiration for me are now pitying me and planning to get on with their lives having me not even as a servant, but as a powerless child. Before the eclipse, maimed Griffith tries jumping on Casca while she tends to him. He knows she loved him - loves him still. But now she no longer sees him as an object of desire. That's hurtful to his pride. As soon as he gets power, he reaffirms his hold on both of them with what he did. It's not incomprehensible. It's just really, really dark.
Luciferian as in, the idea of man becoming god? Tranhumanist being another word. I had seen the 97 dub as it was airing as a child & while i blocked out most of it (that cliffhanger obviously), alot of it stuck with me on a subconscious level. Guts' theme for instance, i'd instinctively whistle it or just tap a pen or w/e in its' tune for *years.* Griffith tho? Basically the embodiment of lucifer
Thats why he is the real hero of the story. He does not care about the morals that the world imposes on to him, and he creates his own morals to transform the world. The people that call Griffith 'villain' are a bunch of delusional fantasists who cant accept a simple fact: the world does not care about your morals. Griffith has seen this aspect of the world and to combat this he has created his own rules. He is therefore the real hero of the story. He didnt just sacrifice the Hawk, he also sacrificed his image. He will be known as a 'villain' yet he continues to fight for his goals regardless.
I NEEED Casca to have her darkness come out bc she done been through it all, she been through too much, she's finally hit rock bottom and I want her to start ripping heads off
That's what you want for Casca but why would she want that for herself. Her ability to go through all the shit she has and still be human is her greatest quality.
@@yes1667 she didn't go through it she quite literally made herself brain dead to cope and not think about guts is the one took it even now as casca is back to bring sane the slight reminder of golden age sets her off
Griffith betrayed those who were loyal to him, rewarding them for their loyalty by having them all slaughtered for the sake of his own dream. Then he raped Casca as Femto. He stated he wouldn’t be able to see someone as a friend or equal unless they were able to live for their own ideals and follow their own dream, even if it meant challenging him for that right. Yet when Guts did just that and left the Band of the Hawk he had an absolute breakdown. Griffith is an amazing antagonist, because what he did was so fucked up and his shift from ally to enemy was so extreme. I started to view Griffith differently the moment he sent Guts to do his dirty work and he ended up accidentally killing a literal child because of him, that’s when I started to realize how selfish he was. What he did during the eclipse was absolutely unjustifiable. And I believe even if he never went through the torture that he did, never possessed the behelit, or never activated the eclipse, he STILL would have ended up sacrificing many of those loyal to him for the sake of his dream in different ways. Griffith has always been selfish
A lot of us are selfish and he was sacrificing lives before the eclipse by going into battle and nobody gave a damn about that. You may say Griffith used everyone but he also provided a family for so many people ( Guts and Casca) to the point where they wanted him to succeed. Griffith wouldn't have sacrificed many more people because HE WAS ABOUT TO ACCOMPLISH HIS GOAL until guts left.
@@godhawk4627 Nobody considered those fighting for Griffith because it wasn’t out of SHEER selfishness. Those men fought those battles out of free will and choice, they consensually agreed to fight for him to achieve his dream. They weren’t just unwillingly sacrificed like cattle, they actually had a choice. On top of that, him providing a family for others makes it worse. He gave them a will, gave them a reason to fight, and took it away for his own personal desires. And furthermore why is any of that Guts’ fault? As you said, Griffith was on the VERGE of kingship. He made the choice to sleep with the Princess, he made the choice to sacrifice those to the god hand. Griffith literally had it in his grasp and gave everything up over one failure, which wasn’t even a failure. He inspired Guts to live on his own accord, live HIS dream. He lost control of a knight, and more importantly his only friend. Everything that Griffith did wrong, was Griffiths own fault. There is no justifying or rationalizing what he did, everything was done out of selfishness. Even if we to try to justify to things like sacrificing his men, why rape casca? Why torture Guts? Because, he finally regained what he lost; power.
Noice! Jokes aside though, I think when they meant they'd die for him, they didn't expect being torn like rags by demonic entities. Atleast Pippin died like the Chad he was, and his death was really terrifying!
People defending Griffith usually build an argument on one of two bad foundations. 1. “He does bad stuff for the greater good.” By his own admission Griffith does everything in order to rule his own kingdom. He’s only good to people as long as it benefits his goal, as evidenced by the eclipse. If he thought he could sacrifice Falconia to rule an even bigger empire he would do it in a heartbeat. And even if he ruled the world and there was no greater empire to sacrifice his people for there’s still no guarantee he wouldn’t find something else he wanted more. He isn’t sacrificing for the greater good, he’s sacrificing for his own gain. It just happens to benefit the people…for now. And it doesn’t entirely benefit them, which brings me to my next point. 2. “He’s bad but his kingdom is the only safe haven.” This is built on a broken window fallacy where causing problems creates opportunities to fix them. All the demons roaming around were his doing. He’s a solution to a problem he created. Yes, there were human wars before him but they were arguably better than demon wars. Greater good my ass. He’s causing greater harm to look good in comparison.
Actually Griffith reminds me of Palpatine. Causing a war on purpose, controlling both sides and in the end he eliminates one of them and is shows himself as the savior of mankind to rule them (I'm talking about the war against the Kushans)
@@fantasticautism Yeah, that's pretty much right. People want to act like he's some hero for the greater good, but he's just trying to prop himself up.
@@fantasticautism You dont need to look at fiction for that. Instead of starwars just take a look at the cia for a modern equivalent. Its pretty much the standard procedure for any gouverment/secret sevice to fuck things up and come in as the saviour.
While I do agree that Griffith cared deeply for Guts, I don't think he was emotionally devastated just from having to lose him and face rejection for the first time--I think that Guts' leaving was also a blow to Griffith's self-esteem. The reason Griffith took such an interest in, and ended up growing close to Guts was a respect and admiration in Guts' unwavering grit, but even if he was able to recognize that Guts was special he still owned Guts as long as Guts was in the Band of the Hawk. Griffith could still view their relationship as one of superior and subordinate. This is important, because throughout the story I don't think there's a single character Griffith meets that he isn't completely confident he can handle. He needs to be sure in his dominance of everyone around him to achieve his dream. This, I think, is why in that conversation before that fateful duel Griffith opens up with something like, "I didn't say you could leave." It gets even worse when you consider that Guts flat out beats him fair and square. Guts asserts his superiority over Griffith; even if it's just for an instant, and it puts a crack in Griffiths perception of himself, and makes him doubt himself. Not only did he lose a valuable asset and a friend, but he also lost a small piece of his radiant charisma. This is why he needs to visit the princess immediately and rush things: to, like you said in the video, compensate, and prove to himself that he's worthy of his dream. This is also why I think he rapes Casca. It's just a dominating physical statement of, "this belongs to me, not you" and "you're beneath me." Lashing out in retaliation of how fucking shitty Guts made him feel. I haven't watched the Guts and Griffith video yet so I have no idea if you said all that already. I just wanted to type it out while it was still in my head.
Yeah I'm probably stating the obvious, lmao. :') Pretty cool that you responded, though. Thanks for letting me take your attention for a minute or two.
So like I was thinking.... he's the textbook embodiment of a narcissist. After dealing with two people like that in my life, I have nothing but loathing for him and people like that. Human predators basically.
Yes that is the worst part, also he felt like he owned those people's will and life in the band of the hawk. He knew that his path would require such sacrifice still he very much ignored that. That act in eclipse made him truly irredeemable
Griffith didn't save Casca, he showed her that she can save herself, which is why he means so much to her. If she wasnt capable of saving herself, she would have been killed. Basically in that one moment Griffith taught Casca how to catch a fish so she can eat for the rest of her life, instead of just giving her a fish for one night, only to be hungry the next day. The most important thing parents are supposed to teach their children, yet most of them never do or don't know how.
*I mean, he needed a bridge, and since he could not afford an architect and the materials , he thinked creative and used the 2000-3000 remaining members*
he sacrificed the thing he loved for the dream, aka a fucking country, if you cannot understand how hard that is, you have never made a decision in life. Many of the viewer gains personal hate towards something they don't understand, maybe go watch one piece or something, thats gonna make life happier I guess, fits you more as well.
its actually part for the story . He was chosen by fate to be savior of the world (in a very perverted manner) but still a savior. People wanted savior that would grant them better life, fate shaped it. When Guts fate was to be monster that hero must slain.
crzyboy190 I believe the consensus on reincarnated Griffith is that his Godhand power partially incarnated itself in a supernatural beauty, far beyond the outstanding beauty that he had in the Golden Age. Griffith is now a being that has dabbled in the realm of the gods, and the power he has obtained has certainly manifested itself since his reincarnation.
DAHAXGUY Yes, it's definitely not just due to the maturation of Miura's style or anything like that. The fact that Griffith now has elliptical shaped pupils is proof that his physical body is not a facsimile of his old one.
The argument that he did nothing wrong is defeated by the simple fact that Griffith didn’t create Falconia for the sake of humanity. He did it for himself. Not to mention, he literally created the problems he’s protecting his people from. They just don’t know it.
@@cabsflix8310 well, he used the lives of his comrades for his personal gain way before the grand sacrifice, so the point still stands. His ego and hypocrisy did enough evil, remember, how he said, that he'll respect and befriend the man, who has his own purpose and dream, and then he does 180°, and wants to literally kill Guts for being this man
@@cabsflix8310 of course people mainly talk about casca rape because he had no benefit in doing it so griffith defenders can defend that , not because they think casca rape was worse then the eclipse
@@cabsflix8310 no because casca would be dead anyway, she HAD to be sacrificed someway, she was her most loyal soldier. rping her was just part of sacrificing her and guts.
The argument that he did nothing wrong is defeated by the fact that he…literally SA and r+ped Casca… And everything else adds to it, but that is one of the single most things you need to say he’s a horrible person and he did in fact do something wrong.
At the end of the day it wasn't Griffith's evil that lead to his downfall and betrayal, it was his emotional weakness. At the end of the day he is a phenomenal character
@@tanyaharmon6739 It's normal to hate him, but what we should know is that he is just a normal human, not an entity with no emotions, and not a pure evil being. I also hate him but he gave me some reflection of humanity.
Griffith fate is to be prince charming, (fake one ) but still one Guts fate is to be monster that prince needs to defeat. Guts is a person that wants to resist that fate, establishing that everyone can shape his own future.
Griffiths childish actions lead to him being tortured by the midlanders. If he had just accepted the fact that guts had left and not acted out, he would have been okay
@Flame Hydrant Griffith was a major bitch. He literally would have been 100% okay had he not started crying about Guts leaving and forcing himself to Charlotte that night and getting caught. It was very avoidable. Griffith irl is what people call a "Fuckboy" lol
@Flame Hydrant I dont think he cared about guts leaving because it hurt him emotionally or anything otherwise he wouldn't have tried to kill him. He was just mad that he wasn't getting what his way and wasn't in control so then his dumb*ss decided to sleep with the Charlotte AND get caught, then mouth off to the king. I think he's just very narcissist with an obsession for power.
@@chimpantaco but he would probably still have had a high chance to be a king since he was already a noble. All he had to do was starting developing his political schemes and with that he could get closer and closer to the throne.
I honestly think Griffith pre "year of torture" wouldn't have sacrificed the band of the hawk. Hell, he might have even tried to slay the demons alongside his men. Just one more kingdom to conquer. But then he spent a whole year receiving the worst forms of pain and torture imaginable. Even if his men's absence is understandable from a logical mind, after only weeks of torture, it's hard to stay logical. I imagine he began to resent them and question where the hell they all were. Griffith is not the same man after they rescue him. Memories of his former ambition is poison in his mind.
Well that’s kind of how the God Hand gets you. The gypsy who gave Griffith the Behilit told him he would become king in exchange for his flesh and blood. More specifically in the case of Rosine and the Slug Count their Behilits activated at their lowest points, plus with Uvik’s manipulation they were given the offer while they were told to make the sacrifice while in emotional states, not while they were at their high points.
let's not forget the fact that he became crippled for life, unable to move by his own means, nor even talk. And his beautifulness was torn apart by him. He not only suffered torture, he was completely stripped of himself. He had suffered the torture but was able to speak and wield a sword, the story would have been different. THis is kinda foreshadow with the hole gambino leg accident and how it changed him. They were warriors, who fought their way trough life.Taking them that for them was the worse that could happened to them. Worse than death
@TutiMuse i mean he chosed that way of life by sleeping with princess knowing the ramification of such an act , finally consequence come to him but and left him stripped of everything , but he subscribed to this kind of act by making his own choice but the the whole squad payed the price for that
@@negrevallsette2980Ah yes, cause consensual love with somebody that loves you back justifies that sort of consequence. I don’t think he could have foreseen that.
@@conquestanddeath4406 whatever he had with the princess was not love anyone call tell. It is known that if you get caught sleeping with a noble while you aren't as high in position as them shit happens to you. He WAS selfish sleeping with the princess knowing and putting everyone at the risk of it including himself.
Heard this from somewhere “Griffith had one bad day and he turned into a villain, Guts had a lifetime of bad days and still a good guy” Edit: I know guts is not a good guy, but still think he’s better than griffith 😂
Also griffith didn't have a bad day he had an entire bad year😂 couldn't hold a sword anymore ..couldn't speak, most definitely got raped by that sick bastard But still Fuck Griffith
One bad day? He had a bad year of intense torture and mental anguish from being abandoned by Guts...the only person he genuinely cared about. Sounds gay and it might just be but it is what it is.
And that's fine...you can agree and still have your own opinion. I hate him for what he did too. Doesn't keep me from agreeing with what this video presented.
You can understand how people you hate think. That doesn’t make you evil. Such a common misconception these days is that if you understand how an evil person works that makes you evil. But how can you help prevent evil people from being created if u cant understand them? You can learn a lot by exploring how “evil” people think.
... No, he had to tell himself, those days are gone. The realization twisted in his belly like a knife. They had chosen him to rule. The Wall was his, and their lives were his as well. *A lord may love the men that he commands, he could hear his lord father saying, but he cannot be a friend to them. One day he may need to sit in judgement on them, or send them forth to die.”* ― George R.R. Martin, A Dance with Dragons
So Griffith said he can only call someone a friend who follows his own dreams. Guts leaves to do just that and Griffith fucking broke like a glass jaw. He's a great character and all...But he is a walking contradiction for the way he acted when Guts finally wanted something for himself to achieve.
yes!! exactly, he should've been happy for gutts to leave, gutts said i need to find what i want! so basically he should of been friends with gutts instead he fucking fucked everyone over because he lost his best man from the band of the hawk!
sirc7777 That's true, Griffith hadn't grown that part of his mental. But that might mean he couldn't be fit to rule a kingdom then. The one thing he wanted so badly. If he treated his most trusted friend Guts this way for simply wanting to grow and find his own way, one could say he wouldn't be fair to his subjects had he been king.
Gloria Gracey Oh most definitely! But i also have to take into account how my mate is feeling. just cuz things are great and we're on top, doesn't mean my boy is all happy. And who am I to try to stop my friend from finding peace.
u see, griffith didnt consider guts just as a friend companion. he was in love with him, he couldnt fathom what he was feeling and self destructed as a result.
When I feel misunderstood, and at the end of my road, I come back to watch this video. So far it's been 4 times, and each time it's better than the last
Guts losing to Griffith when they met then defeating him easily before he left shows how much he grew. Griffith originally saving Casca from being defiled but then being her defiler as Femto shows how far he’d fallen
I don't think it was ever an issue of whether or not Griffith cared about people. He definitely did. He's a monster because he chose to do what he did anyway. Humans can be monsters too. That doesn't make him less of a monster. I love the character arc he goes through though. It's totally believable. I love to hate him. Because he's not evil. He's just human and monstrous because of it. He's a tragic character first and foremost.
I believe maybe we would hate him less if he was portrayed as that monkey demon, that was a feral beast (and human, a cruel one) or was emotional distant from everyone. Because we would just picture him as evil being without any relation with humanity. He is very human (more in the negative aspect in my opinion) and in the end of the day he chose send everyone he care about to hell and fulfilled his dream.
Aleczandxr you know the part when you say femto try to put on a show as tho gutz is beneath him I suspect the same where the 2nd time gutz was before the God hand I think it was a way of femto protecting Gutz from being Sacrificed
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Griffith post the Eclipse became a beautiful, almost perfect being with divine like presence. Although his heart was rotten, dark, and evil. Just like Lucifer
Griffith is best trap... As in... If you love him you’ll be surprised not only because he’s a guy but because he’ll use your love as a pawn for his prideful dream.
I hate how much I love Griffith. Miura made the most wonderful antagonist known in fictional history with Griffith, and all I can do in response is to simply... stare, in awe and horror and yet a sick fascination.
"I want wings" This is the wretched truth of Griffith. He wants wings. He wants to soar above humanity. Everything he does, and everything he strives for is merely a manifestation of his own selfish desires.
Griffith is a character that is tragic but not at all sympathetic. People often get confused between them. More often than not, stories these days can intertwine these two aspects into one (which is completely alright) but berserk is not one of those shows. The golden age arc was a tragedy not only for casca and guts but also for Griffith, or we can say for Griffith’s humanity. He was a person who thought himself in a highly idealistic way in a cynical world like that of berserk. When he came to grips with his own faults, then he couldn’t defeat his inner demons and gave in- the reason why so many people hate him so much. At the end , we cannot sympathise with him at all but because of the downfall of his humanity, his story is a tragic one .But trust me, looking only at his part of the story makes him a heck lot understandable and we almost sympathise with him , which is the reason why he’s such a scary character for me. In the story, he maybe a beautiful lie for others , but he can also be a hard truth for us ,the readers . He teaches us in the most painful way that in order to get something u need to sacrifice a lot of things or u’ll struggle even more ...
I feel like he did that thing that girls do, he is a pretty feminine guy after all. He was hurt and needed someone on the rebound to just fill the hurt. It was risky and careless and he ruined all work he put in. Very human thing to do.
Well yeah. Griffith absolutely loved Gutz, and quite possibly in a romantic sense. Gutz set out on his own essentially abandoning Griffith. That's a pretty traumatic experience, and as someone who's been through it, I can attest that it can trigger a whole grieving process, and grief makes people do and say some incredibly inappropriate things.
@@cornuschristi1814 Yeah, Griff said himself that Guts is the only one thing that made him forget about his "dream." A little cryptic but love is definitely a reasonable interpretation of it.
@@JL-yq9xn So I argue to say that the fantasy was his final submission towards what his human future would hold after the torture that was inflicted upon him. Griffith probably thought Casca is just the only person that would care for him if Griffith decided not to demonize himself, which does not necessarily mean the person he loved was Casca. I think Griffith loved Gutts but Griffith would never be Gutts equal ever again if Gutts stayed, nor would Griffith imagine Gutts taking care of Griffith because of who Gutts is.
@@NA-ud6qm You’re right! Griffith loved Guts, but never wanted Guts to become his equal. What interested Griffith about Guts is that Guts had potential to become his equal, so if Griffith can control such a powerful man then he would feel like he was on top of the world. He really appreciated the admiration Casca had for him, which gave him even more self-confidence; however, he never loved Casca and only thought of her as a tool. He only thinks of people as objects that belong to him that allow him to become stronger.
Yup, those people show how well written Berserk is, they end up simpathyzing with the villain, just the way it was intended His charm trascends the universe he exists in
he is a human who wants to become and angel by getting wings while his process of doing so and his are what makes him a devil . i symphathize with griffith and get behind everything he has done and was justifiable rationally . apart from the raep part which was completely unnecessary .
Your comment about Griffith/Femto still being human actually fits something Slan said when Femto was doing what he did to Casca, “Such beauty...It touches me. Love, hatred, pain, pleasure, life, death. All are there...THIS is to be human. THIS is to be evil.”
Going off of what you've suggested, I think I've begun to see the Sacrifice as the final nail in the coffin of Griffith's philosophy. It was the moment he gave himself to fate, and in a way, became fate, taking all that he dreamed of and his friends dreamed of, and throwing it all away in a pool of blood. It was the easy way out. He may have wanted everyone to live for themselves but he also wanted to be powerful. He forgot, or choose to forget, for what reason he wanted power, because in that moment he was weak, in mind, body and spirit. And then he looked upon the easiest thing to blame for this weakness, and decided to spite him.
In his defense, though, he had lost all, the only person he ever loved, everything he had built through sheer sacrifice, control over his own emotions and even his physical integrity: he was an invalid, unable to even sit on his own. He was in total and utter crisis - and it makes sense the God's Hand would fetch their sacrifices when the subject is in such state of crisis, everything other than what reality is right then feels like a good idea. This theme reiterates in Berserk over and over again with each of the God's Hand chosen, especially the insect arc. The girl who would choose to sacrifice her own parents, the people she cared for the most, why? Well, at a moment of crisis when everything was too much too bare, irrationally despaired for a way out.
Nadia Rey Causality rules the Berserk universe just as it rules our own. Griffith, with his incredibly strong will, was broken by a full year of unimaginable torture. No mortal man can undo the damage of torture. His choice was clear, either become a god or die. His choice was rational.
"Humans can be better than Angels or worse than Demons." Something that I have always thought. and I find Guts and Griffith to be heavy proof of that. And no matter what, Griffith did do something wrong because that last choice was the single choice he had just as much a reason to decline as he did to accept, but he made the human choice, the selfish one.
Very good points about the fake and real Ubermensch. Griffith and Guts were both faced with extreme adversity and both stoically endured and persevered but the key difference was the driving force behind them. Griffith had to hide his weakness behind an all-encompassing goal. When he first met Guts, he knew deep inside that Guts was the better man and had to assert dominance over him to maintain the illusion on which he unknowingly constructed his life. When Guts finally left and decided to pursue his own goals, this was like a crack that eventually destroyed everything that Griffith represented, as he basically identified with his goals. Griffith is therefore not evil, but weak. I think they tried to show that true power isn't physical, and it's also not the absolute denial of weakness. It's acknowledging weakness and learning to live with it, always pushing forward.
In my opinion one of the best written and scariest manga villains of all time. One of the greatest things about griffith is that he seems so human and realistic.
Humans are unique creatures, in that we have the gift of free will. Many fail to grasp the true meaning of this gift. Humans posess the capacity to be more kind and compassionate than any angel, but at the same time we are capable of being more evil and malicious than any demon as well.
Rest In Peace Kentaro Miura, Berserk will truly go down as one of the greatest stories ever told. Thank you for writing this masterpiece. U will be missed 🙏
I've always understood the reasons for his actions and can empathize why he chose to do what he did. I've always thought he cared about his soldiers and distanced himself because of it. Basically, I felt this everything you said in this video was true about Griffith, and during the Golden Age, I sympathized with his character. However what he did was still absolutely wrong if you believe in morality. I feel the same way about any real life human. At the end of the day, it was still his decision. I understood why he chose it but it doesn't change the fact that he's done it. I hate him as a person, but love him as a character and antagonist! That's also why I love Guts, because he's the protaganist but he's far from being a hero. That's why I love Berserk so much because the characters are very well written, with tons of realistic depth.
Of course. What he did was wrong. Like I said, he CHOSE to do what he did. He was manipulated and goaded, yes, but in the end he chose to kill a bunch of men who trusted him. Totally wrong.
streetough I see the exact moment of the eclipse's consumation,i mean the point where Grifith could say yes or no,where a choice could be done,as a climax with a geniously crafted background.In one hand,Grifith based his life on a ideal,the ideal of being in control of your future,of being capable of seeking your dreams,and,on the other hand,to make his dream come true,to make this ideal become reality,he had to contradict himself,because,sacrificing the band of the hawk in order to have another chance of being king is the same of smashing the dreams of all his comrades (by killing them all,of course...He did more than smashing their dreams,but he did it the same way),in other words,he would do (and he did) what the nobles,the rules and other entities would do to him.As you said,he had a choice,he did "something" wrong by the lens of moral,but not only "common" moral.The way i see it,by becoming femto,Grifith betrayed himself
I think one of the things the writer was trying to say was that our world, the post-medieval era, was built on the brutal sacrifices of those from that world. To me, the Eclipse is a metaphor for the tons and tons of battles that any hero in history has fought, and the gigantic piles of death and rape that go with it if you look at it all at once. It seems that the story is going the way of Falconia basically becoming as big as the British and Spanish Empires, and onwards to be as big as America in its hay day. After the Crusades against the Kushans, they will go on to conquer the entire world. This is basically what happened in the real world. This story challenges the reader to be one of the citizens of Falconia, looking up and marvelling at the technology/magic of those who use the Philosopher's stone. We all know the horrors of the wars that helped us get here, just and otherwise, but Berserk challenges us to look at the one who survived that sacrifice. So the question Guts will be asking himself is: Will killing Griffith be a net gain for the world? The answer is probably 'no'. If Guts decides (is able to) kill Griffith and achieve his goal, I hope Muira doesn't pussyfoot around the amount of similar sacrifices Guts will make of his followers to achieve his, less noble, goal of revenge. If I'm right, Casca will either commit suicide or go to join Griffith when she wakes up. Ishi, Farnese, Schierke etc are all going to die in order to help Guts kill Griffith, and the story will have come full circle. 'But they followed Guts willingly!' I hear you say, well so too did Griffith's followers. And after Falconia falls, the world will go back to the medieval hell of 100 years war.
Otis Miller - actually I'd say that Griffith being alive or dead won't be any great loss for the world. you want to know some of the people who are most responsible for our modern western world? Johannes Gutenberg, inventor of the printing press. sociopaths and despots do little to further the world. kingdoms rise and fall but real human progress comes through scientific discovery and invention. you, me, and the seven billion other people on this planet owe our existence more to the invention of nitrogen fertilizers and the increased food production they facilitated then to any old world ruler. I get your logic it's the "I would rather have an evil genius in charge then a foolish good guy." the problem is that if he was really such a genius he probably wouldn't need to be evil or rely on powers he didn't really earn. in reality you usually get evil fools, and that never works out well in the long run. I mean you ask if killing him will be a net good but compare his empire to the British. we are still paying the bloody consequences of imperialism doing things like carving up the middle east, the Atlantic slave trade, the extermination of indigenous cultures across the world, and so much more. I doubt all of the victims of imperialism would consider imperialism to be a net positive that endeavor. also his kingdom is based on the powers of hell, you only need to play the new Doom to see how well that will work out. I say you couldn't kill Griffith quick enough.
he's a rapist, murderer and a manipulator. nothing about him is heart breaking aside from his destruction of casca. Anti-hero? he isn't a highly heroic after the eclipse. all the humanity he has came from the infant used for his rebirth. I do not feel sad for some monster like that. he deserves to be tortured, mentally destroyed and when he begged for death, he won't be granted it he shall just be tortured further and that shall keep going untill he no longer knows anything but the common feeling of agony permiating throughout his broken mind and body. only when he's lost in the ruin of himself will he have permission to die. that is the least he deserves. but hey it's only a story lol
My read on griffith is probably the exact opposite lol to me he seemed like someone who only ever cared about himself, anything he did for someone else he did for himself. And him losing guts wasn’t about him losing a part of his army it was about him no longer having control over someone who he saw had potential. If he was not better than guts than his whole philosophy on life crumbles. He thinks it’s okay to step on anyone’s dream because he believes he is better. I think on the night of the eclipse he does have his most human thought’s because he has been entirely humbled, due to the state of his body.
Same. And the worst part is that Griffith (from my perspective) wasn't even a psycho either, psychos are inherently evil, and it's irrelevant if they do it or not, it's in their nature and it's not amusing. Griffith was aware of who he was, of his greed, of his pride, he had a good side, he knew it, but he still decided to go down the biggest ####bag ever known in human history. That's what makes him the absolute evilest in my eyes.
...to find out how Guts is doing only to start to appreciate the role and motivations of Griffith much more than before thanks that was beautifully described and explained, ta.
I just wanted to say you did a great psychoanalysis of Griffith's character. I never understood (outside of the obvious trolls) why people would defend Griffith's actions, but you truly analyzed his upbringing, lust for desire, suppressed empathy, and reverse roles of the "Ubermensch" logically and unbiased. I am a huge Berserk fan and this video truly opened my perspective to how human Griffith/Femto could be. Keep up the great work man. Earned yourself a new subscriber!
This is the best analysis of Griffith I've seen. It doesn't excuse his actions, but it does reveal all his layers and proposes an interesting counterfactual narrative, where he could've been closer to a hero - in the context of the grim world of Berserk, at least. I especially loved the bit about Guts' and Griffith's opposing 'uber mench' trajectories, hadn't thought of that before. Great stuff! In regards to Griffiths speech about friendship to Charlotte, it recently struck me that perhaps he's, if not lying to himself, at least very unaware of what it means to be human and how relationships and friendships are forged. Griffit displays very lofty ideals for what it means to be somebody's true friend, stating that a true friend would would follow his personal dream even if it would impede his own. Yet, Guts does just that. He leaves the Band of the Hawk in search of meaning - something which should qualify him as a true friend - but instead of respecting him for it, Griffith feels deeply betrayed and is plunged into a state of depression. In time he even starts to resent Guts. As I see it, Griffith is forced to confront what what it means to be a social creature and what friendship really is. His ideals are tested, and his dream is crushed and he can't take it. The question he's forced to ask himself is what the use of these high ideals are, if your friends walk away from you? In real life, true friends are of course the ones who show loyalty, not necessarily to your cause, but to your person, based on love and compassion. Had Griffith realized this, and been more aware of his emotions as you put it, Guts likely wouldn't have been driven away to begin with, seeing as the meaning he was in such desperate need of was, ultimately, love, friendship and belonging.
But the fact that griffith fall in depression doesn't mean that he didn't respected his action. He was obviously stunned by it because he didn't expected that. Let's say that I think that a true girlfriend is someone who can decide by her own when she don't want to be in a relationship anymore. Let's say that I have a girlfriend and she leaves me. Ok... so now I shouldn't be depressed or sad because my girlfriend left me because of what I said in the starting sentence? How am I an hyprocrite just because I'm sad about my girlfriend living me. I would be an hypocritice if I would search for her. If I would follow her. If I would be mad at her for doing that.
No... Griffith never saw Guts as an equal. Surely he saw him as a confidant, reliable, and trustworthy, but again, he never saw him as an equal, and would've never considered him an actual friend. Griffith considered Guts beneath him, as his property, whose life he owned. Griffith said it himself before making Guts 'earn' his freedom: "You belong to me."
@@surreptitiouswritings i feel as if ur explanation is far too simple, why lose a property to the point of grave failure? He already had it all, he was already very successful and is very close to becoming a king, but he gave it all up over a stupid mistake one night. Why was guts leaving him that hurts him, why does he feel the need to keep him as property, there has to be a more complex reasoning. Like during the apocalypse scene griffith said himself abt guts, "you made me forget my dream". What do you mean by forget, what distracted griffith to forget his dream, his wish to make guts his property? That doesnt make sense. The self deception would prove allot over his depression. Nobody becomes severely depressed over a toy taken away from them, and not to the extent of griffiths anguish. That toy must have meant so much more.
Griffith is, from start to finish, the most well fledged out and accurate portrayal of an acrual real life psychopath I have ever seen. He is not the hollywood edgy psychopathy based bad guy. He is the pure realistic version of psychopathy.
@@RightWingRadioShow The thing is, psychopathy is not much of a defined psychological term as much as people like to pretend it is, much less one to be used as annaccusatory moral judgement It's not really a classified disorder iirc All of that without even taking into account that, even if it were a defined "evil disorder" as people claim it to be, that'd still be an unmatching description of Griffith as shown by the video
@@MeeraRustshieldSystem You don't know what the hell you're talking about(shocker). Psychopathy and sociopathy are clearly defined terms in neuroscience. It has been proven to exist in brain scans. Aspd is not psychopathy nor sociopathy. It is a diqgnosis for a set of behaviours.
@@RightWingRadioShow 1) Again, that's still not really defining Griffith's character given what was shown on both the video and manga 2) I still don't recall it being a thing in the DSM-V 3) That's still a bit of a stigmatizing, moralistic way to use the term more so than any neutral or scientific one imho
did anyone notice on the day of blood griffith was questioning sacrificing them, there was even a point shown in this video where he reaches out to grab gutts hand. I feel if he really was 100 percent sure about sacrificing them he wouldn't have reached out to gutts
Not really. Griffith just wanted to soak in his glory, his ambition was greater than his care. Guts is the one fighting against fate since the Eclipse, more than Griffith would've ever cared about
Aleczandxr I don't know about "justifiable" but I do find his actions understandable. How many of us would activate a behelit if we were in the same situation as him? The God Hand never show up to offer transcendence to people in their happiest moment. It is always when they are consumed by despair.
Levi Harris-Hale well he did try to save guts from falling but after he got further corrupted by the god hand he tried to test his humanity to confirm what the god hand said which he ended up proving when he felt nothing after that.
And at the same time he also proved he is still human as he shows off his new power to Guts that way looking for trigger him. Otherwise he could have just killed him beforehand.
The Godhand brings up a good point, every member of the Band Of The Hawk pledged their lives to Griffith in order to see him become a king. Whats greater than a king? A god. So its understandable that Griffith would see this as an acceptable sacrifice that the Band signed up for in a way Raping Casca though, was purely to hurt Guts, and is irredeemable.
No, before they always chosen sacrifice themselves for Griffith's dream, and the way to do that. At the end they didn't choose to give their lives or even the way to do that, Griffith stole their lives in the eclipse.
The difference is their consent. The BoH members consented to go to war for Griffith's dreams, they knew the risk but they believed that he could pull them through to the other side. He was extremely successful after all. Anyone who wanted to leave could... well except for Guts. In the Eclipse, he disregarded the desires and consent of the BoH. None of them understood what was happening, they had already lost their fame/titles/hope in Griffith, and most had picked to follow Guts to glory instead. We also know the BoH last surviving members strongly disagree with what he did and make it clear they never consented to it.
@@user-mg7wh8zq6v well it wasn’t his fault tbh is like every world leader and general like Alexander the Great and other generals all of them did the same no kingdom is made without blood
Griffith is, in many ways, the definition of a paper tiger. He's an absolute monolith of charisma and confidence until he loses. When he loses he absolutely crumbles and destroys everything he struggled for and falls to ruin. What comes out of the Tower of Rebirth is exactly what he always was inside: weak, selfish, desperate, and greedy. Reminds me of that old Spenser quote, "He who strives to touch a star oft stumbles at a straw".
Griffith absolutely cared about his soldiers, he just didn’t care about them more than he cared about himself. That’s what makes him human, and that’s what makes him evil, and that’s what makes him a member of the God Hand. I love how we get so little inferiority from Griffith throughout the Golden Age, such that it’s impossible to know exactly what he’s thinking or feeling when he’s crippled near the end of it. Does he try to strangle Guts or does he not? Does he stop because he loves him, or stop because he realizes he’s powerless? Does he attack Casca, or try to hug her? Does he want to make love to her, or express his love for her too late, or is he angry at her, furious for what he perceives as possessive, romantic betrayal? It’s impossible to know, and I love that about the character. And yes he absolutely needed the God Hand to tell him that not only would his soldiers agree with his decision, but by necessity in fighting for him and trying to rescue him and risking their lives for him, they had already implicitly made the decision to die for him. The eclipse was just Griffith cashing the check that they had already written. But all that being said, it still comes down to the core selfishness. You could even trace it back to rescuing Casca-did he really do that because he felt compassion for someone being abused by another? Or did he do it because he felt hatred for the abuser? Was it an act motivated by love, or by hatred? Because there’s a big difference between someone fighting for others, and fighting against others. And Griffith definitely hates nobles and nobility, the epitome of people who did not struggle or work for anything in their lives, while he had to fight for everything he wanted-and he wanted everything. So yeah. Griffith’s a great character, spectacular villain. But he’s a bastard, and no amount of excuses or rhetoric can avoid that he cares more for himself and his dreams than anyone or anything else. Except, for a while, for Guts. And later, I think, for Casca, though never to the same degree. And you are right that he had no idea how to square that in himself, because he had never cared more about someone else than himself before, and so he convinced himself he didn’t, until he couldn’t anymore.
I stopped relating to Griffith once I started studying more about the Godhand, Griffith was a chosen one, he was fated to become a member of the Angels, he didn't do anything on his own, everything was woven for him by the Godhand in order for them to finally gain a new member and Overlord, but there was a disruption in the force, Guts, he defied their will, and abandoned the Hawk, this disrupted the Godhand's plan, and since they had to think of a new way to make Griffith make the sacrifice, Griffith was finally alone, he wasn't being guided by the angels, and then, he broke, and he finally made a decision of his own, which was a terrible one, fucking the princess, which resulted in an entire kingdom going after him, this shows just how helpless Griffith is without the angels guiding him and making the decisions for him, and then he was captured, and tortured for an entire year, but he didn't save himself, he was saved by Guts returning, due to the angels finally thinking of a new plan, and then all that stuff happens and Griffith becomes Femto yadda yadda, what's more is, right before Griffith makes the sacrifice, he has a line "you (Guts) were the only one to distract me from my dream.", which is a remark on how Guts was the only one to defy the angels' will, therefore disrupting their plan, and making Griffith do what he did which led to his imprisonment This is just a theory of mine, don't take anything I say as fact.
You know the prophecy by the old woman who gave Griffith the Behelith? I can't quite quote it word by word but there was something about giving his flesh, and blood for his goal before reaching it, therefore Guts didn't really disrupt the angels' plan, but rather kickstarted it by making Griffith making a mistake out of brokenheartedness, of course if we go by your theory on Griffith's achievements. Welp, we might never know now. RIP Miura san.
Well I see what you are saying, I have 1 contention. when guts meets the god hand again during the fight with the slug count they say how he is worthless and not important to the plan at all, not even enough to kill even thou it would be as simple as flexing a finger, wouldn’t they just kill him because of his ability to disrupt fate?
@@3rd_eyeonly324 I think they spared him due to how they see themselves as gods and have these huge egos and see Guts as nothing more than a small fish in a big ocean. Killing Guts would prove that Guts was important to Griffith and that in simple terms he lives in his head rent free
Griffith accepted the magnificent persona people attributed to him. He claimed to value friendship but all he was used to was a master-servant relationship. The moment Gutz and Casca were moving away from him, his self-concept was destroyed. He broke down. People's true nature comes out in times of difficulty, for Griffith, it was the realisation that he was no longer the center of the universe for "friends".
Also the Godhand offered him the choice when Griffith was at his lowest point, he'd just been held captive and tortured maybe even raped for a year, after (in his mind) his best friend left him, he was not in the right state of mind to make that decision, if he had received that offer back during the good days with Guts and the hawks, he may have denied the offer.
The starkest difference between Guts and Griffith from an ethical perspective is how they deal with their experiences of abandonment and betrayal. Guts experiences this repeatedly throughout his life, and always picks himself up, dusts himself off and carries on with his life; damaged and suspicious but learning to trust again fairly easily for what he's been through. Griffith throws a huge tantrum like the giant baby he is the instant he experiences a glimmer of defiance from a person who he considers a possession rather than a friend and loses his fucking mind at the notion of other people having free will in opposition to his own. He considers his own ambition an inevitability that all others must yield to. No wonder the clarion call of entitled man-children across the internet is "griffith did nothing wrong." Instead of proving his strength by carrying on with dignity, he destroys everything around him to punish the one person he couldn't control. That's a mark of weakness, not strength or purpose.
Your point about Griffith needing to be convinced that the Hawk would've wanted him to sacrifice them before he actually did it really sold me. Excellent video.
Griffith: Aspiring and talented humanitarian leader (of the time, its far from humanitarian these days lol) Femto: Twisted malevolent being of pure evil The beauty in the writing how does he get there! How does such a thing happen. Beautiful writing with a great message. Which is ruined by a rape scene too many people dont understand the story at all due to bias, what a waste.
Just finished the anime last week and have been struggling to finish a video focusing more on Griffith. I despised him at his worst but was inspired at him at his best, which made that betrayal of his friends that much worse. This was pretty much the perfect summary piecing together my mixed jumble of thoughts on him especially at 17:29 so thank you. Now maybe I can give him *a sliver* more of sympathy.
Whoah. Thanks so much for making this! Honestly I had a difficult time understanding Griffith as a character. I somehow "estimate" how he is, but I could not really point it out clearly in words. And yes, I still hate him for his actions but I did want to understand what drove him to commit his acts during the eclipse. I also wanted to know what makes him so charismatic.
You cant compare "later with the time" He just transformed and is a demon. Remember this is a written story that the writer wants to send a message. The message was Griffith clearly transformed into a Demon who is evil. That's the message, thats the story.
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Rest In Peace, Kentaro Miura. An absolute legend whose storytelling transcends and will continue to transcend forever. It’s impossible to put into words how much he touched my life with Berserk and that is also true with countless others around the world. Thank you❤️
Your video was what got me interested in Berserk. RIP Miura.
@@anammmmmmmmmm see u later guts
Rest in paradise king
I didn't expect this
Rest easy king 👑
Do I agree that Griffith is a beautiful and complex character? Yes.
Do I desperately want to see him torn apart by the Dragonslayer? Also yes.
I can’t understand how people can defend a literal rapeist and no see what ms wrong with that
@Luca Baki well, if you take the neitzcheian sense of self actualization you can kind of get it. will to power and all.
the whole thing of not clipping your wings and actually achieving an ideal at all costs. Not that I necissarily agree with it, but it is compelling and powerful. Not to settle for mediocrity. the drive to abandon everything for an ideal. because if you are not willing to abandon everything else, than do you really truely believe in it? Its a catch 22. if griffith didnt take that faustian bargain, what made griffith a great man, his uncompromising dedication would be hollow. but in taking it, he also endangers that which he created along the way.
Im not saying to forgive griffith, but not too throw it outright. thats what makes his character compelling.
@Luca Baki that was his goal what do you mean ?
@Luca Baki WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW DEEP HIS CHARACTER IS
@@midshipman8654 I will hate Griffith for the rest of my life no matter what anyone says like how can someone forgive a person like that, imagine you were guts you never have a family no one loves and wants you around u thought that you finally find people that wants you around u thought you finally find yourself a friend but then that friend betrays you by sacrificing you and all of your other friends and also raping your girlfriend in the process, all just for power and his dream. Just saying anything good about him is an unforgivable thing. If I was Guts too I'm calling every last one of them without mercy
Griffith: "Only someone who forges their own path can truly be my friend"
Guts: *Leaves to forge his own path*
Griffith: "Wait that's illegal"
its really fucked up that guts left to be considered griffiths equal and griffith ended up killing everyone because of it
@@cz098 was going to kill everyone, including Casca and Guts, from the beginning*
this. right here so much. i tried to give this guy a chance in his explanation, but gave up when he said "he despises entitlement"... when the fuck did he show that? we know hes arrogant from the start and always had to have his way, charismatic or not.
@@burryto3389 He's not entitled. Entitlement means that you think deserve something just because its your right. Griffith has always worked and sacrified to get what he wants. He isnt entitled. He says he wants something and he goes out and gets it. He proves it. He's also not arrogant, as he's happy to sell his body if it means he can get closer to his goal, and also eats with his men and respects them. Its another reason why they like him so much. He's Charismatic, Respectful, and Considerate (even if that consideration is an means to an end).
So yeah he does actually despise entitlement. He takes what he wants. He expects nothing to be handed to him.
@@abigcupofwater okay I may have missed something from berserk but why does everyone say that he planned to kill everyone from the start? I feel like he just did it because he knew what he'd get from it in that moment, not beforehand
My stand on Griffith is:
While it is explainable why he did what he did, it's still inexcusable.
That’s a very popular stance on Griffith.
Most people aren't trying to excuse or justify his actions, they just don't think he's evil incarnate, he's human and his actions had humanity behind them, and that's what this video is trying to show.
Same same same.
and that's why I dislike people who hate him so much; given specific circumstances, they could do similarly bad things. Not necessarily, literally this one, but something of a similar value of outcome.
@@turbotrup96 I dont think alot of the people would do what he did in similar circumstances, look at people in the same story as Griffith who didnt already. Youre are right that some would though, those ppl are being hypocrites.
Imagine a character so charismatic that they give an entire fandom Stockholm Syndrome
Griffith and Sangwoo from Killing Stalking have a weird grasp on their fanbases
😂😂 facts
not really... I appreciatethe character and also dont hate him one bit
@@honeyy5240 except griffith apologists like griffith because he is a complex, nuanced, and charismatic character. and while sangwoo is many of those, the reasons most of his stans like him are 😬
@@anniemated_ just because he's hot lmao, which is a shame because he's a very interesting and complex characters
Griffith be like: "I can't believe you had the Guts to leave me"
RodC137 GOD DAMNIT
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*nice*
*Tidus laugh*
Literally all Griffith had to do to achieve his dream was keep it in his pants regarding the princess, wait a couple years for the king to die (or assassinate him) and swoop in for the easy marriage
Thats why his transformation feels so wrong
But he couldn't, he was distraught over guts leaving him. Not only was he abandoned by the closest thing he had to a friend, but he was beaten and humiliated in a way that he had never been before in his life. He lost in every sense of the word and that drove him to act rashly.
@@boianko bullshit
And Charlotte ends up with him anyways, which renders the whole Femto/White Falcon thing pointless.
@@boianko and? He could've went in cried a few days in despair and try to get his mind right. But he didn't he acted incredibly emotionally and he regretted what he did almost immediately, he knew it was wrong yet, did it anyway. He doesn't get a pass G.
"Griffith is still human. He is just the part of humanity that we try to pretend doesn't exist" This is probably the best quote in this video.
LeTheGenD - Homeboy went deep
Agreed that sh*t hit hard
Dorian Gray uhh, i think you missed the point of that argument
kill an enemy=ok.
kill every ally and friend you've ever had, rape the woman who devoted her life to you while staring the man she loves in the eye as an act of spite=not ok.
"enemy" is who pay you less? THEY FIGHT FOR MONEY, MONEY.
"friends" who just use him, an act like he is already dead when he was crippled. So stfup, they all deserve death, include caska, not just rape.
Dorian Gray you clearly haven't read it, because if you had, you would know that griffith made the transition from a mercenary to a paid general of the midland army by the time of the eclipse. he doesn't fight for money for half the series, he fights for his king and country.
and none of his friends acted like he was already dead, particularly casca, who turned her back on guts to take care of the crippled griffith. then griffith raped her, not because he hated her, but because guts loved her and he wanted to hurt guts.
The worst part about Griffith betraying Guts to me that the main reason Guts left in the first place was because of his sincere will to be Griffith's friend. In hope to achive that, he bailed on the glory he had in order to find his own dream and be able to be beside Griffith as a true friend. That wouldn't have been possible if Guts didn't trust Griffith as a leader and was so sure he will be able to continue through his dream after he leaves. Bearing in mind it was the best time to leave as the band had gained enough status to go on with their plans smoothly with no complications. The band didn't really need him anymore. But Griffith ruined it all and blamed it on Guts due to his sick and self-rightouse mind.
Guts only mistake was expecting too much from Griffith, and trusting him, only to be betrayed just like how Gambino did to him.
Yess i agree
All true
Exactly
i think griffith ruined it all more because of his lack of trust in his own abilty to achieve his dreams without guts. i think without guts he thought he couldn't achieve the kind of greatness he had achieved up to that point. he saw him as a very useful tool but also depended on him a lot as a friend. griffith was very possesive of guts which farther served to derail him.
Griffith was just sad and acted on emotion which lead to his downfall, it’s really hard to live in berserk anyways
Griffith sacrificing the band of the hawk had a bigger, logical motive behind it. Raping Casca was out of pure spite towards Guts for almost making his unattainable.
Unless the demon child was a part of his plan.
Couldn't agree more. I say that all the time. It's the one thing that makes me hate him the most.
@@memo-sn1gu it's not even just the act itself, it's what it says about him. The first thing he did with power was show us exactly why he should've never had it.
I think that him raping casca was also in part revenge on her. Above anything, griffith hates being looked down upon and when he tried to take advantage of casca post-torture in the wagon to see if he could take control of something all he got was pity.
If u really pay attention he didn't rape her.
She literally was into if for sure
"Griffith is still human. He’s just the part of humanity that we try to pretend doesn’t exist." Instant chills at that line, holy fuck.
Doesn't stop him being a monster though. We also don't ignore that side of humanity, we punish it accordingly.
>Meleron Nef
The point is that we ignore it in ourselves. If one is a fan of Berserk and yet has no capacity for empathizing with Griffith's arc, then I think they've missed the point of the narrative, or are otherwise (on some unconscious level) denying the ugly truth of our animalistic nature. That is, when all hope for our own survival is lost - we can, in a flash of feral instinct - become brutal, terrifying, bloodthirsty creatures devoid of the moral gravitas we normally use to justify our supposed moral high ground.
Morality itself is such a flimsy opinion-based construct. No two people's right and wrong are completely the same.
Exactly. Besides, we're still animals, we're programmed to antagonize others we somehow perceive as "bad".
I'm still waiting for the simple-minded and morally naive that plagues the Berserk fandom to bash on this thread
The fact that debates about Griffith still rage to this day, 30 years later, is evidence of what an incredibly nuanced and brilliantly-written character he is.
W8 Golden age arc was made in the 90s ?? Damn the art was so good.
RIP Kentaro Miura.
Nuanced in what ? "I want to achieve my dream".
That's the only thing he have.
@@gorillaz9694 nah, dude. You're just too shallow
@@gorillaz9694 pov you can't read
As a wise man once said :
*Inhales*
"GRIIIIIIFFIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITH !!!!!!"
Dio is a pg Griffith, sadly Araki was only allowed to put it for a teenager audience
Griffith was always an asshole, but he was so handsome, confident and charismatic, no one could see it. In a world of listless characters with no ambition or education, he offered meaning and purpose. No one stopped to ask whether his goals were moral or good- that didn't even enter their heads. He offered them a path in a pathless world and they took it, but, they didn't understand him, didn't understand his boundless ambition might crush them too someday.
Now guts isn't exactly a paragon of virtue either, and up to a point, even he was taken in by Griffith. Guts was a blunt instrument when Griffith found him, but over time he began to want more, something beyond endless battle for another man's dream. Guts began to develop as a human being, morally and as an individual...and then the eclipse came and fate took over.
Agreed
yeah gotta be honest i learned about the eclipse scene and griffith’s choice before even becoming familiar with the storyline so that pretty much characterized my feelings about him from the jump because from the outside looking into a series i’d never read he’d always seemed like a toxic guy waiting for much darker things to be brought out of him and i wasn’t able to understand people who actually argued he did nothing wrong
@@boolboi2296 what griffith did before the caska thing is justifiable. All these people put their lives on the line in every battle for him and his dream. Many people died for his dream. Now, he is given the opportunity to achieve his dream and this is the only way. If he refused, that would mean he gave up on his dream. Wouldn't that betray all the people that died for that dream. Shouldn't guts and others be willing to sacrfice themselves. If griffith gives up on his dream, doesen't that make everything they have done so far pointless. Not to mention, a lot of the member from the band of the hawk left which means that only the loyal ones stayed. Isn't it their wish to do anything for griffith and his ambition
@@andrijastimac8548 it doesn't mean they wanted to die, they wanted to risk their lives for him and they would've accepted death as a result but they didn't sign up to be just slaughtered like that I know what you're trying to say and I know what I said sounds contradictory, but we humans are contradictory, their love for Griffith wasn't unconditional if they knew what he was all along they wouldn't have been so loyal, they didn't ask for anything in return from Griffith but somewhere in their hearts they believed that he cared for them ,if in the eclipse Griffith explained everything and asked them to die for his dream I doubt they'd say yes
P.S: I'm sorry if you didn't understand my comment I don't really know how to explain what I'm thinking right now
@@micow9951 Makes sense. That is the same feeling I have.
Griffith is a Luciferian character. Beautiful, powerful, talented, and charismatic, with the fatal flaws of being self-absorbed, arrogant, and envious. His actions are unjustifiable, morally speaking - but they make absolute narrative sense, and that's what makes him a great character.
glad to see someone with a level head who doesn't just spout "nuance" "blurred lines" "shades of grey" or "different moral standards"
I think what he did to Casca didn’t make sense and only added to how much of a spiteful character he was to that of Guts for being the better man.
@@justaguyonyoutube4592 I think it makes a lot of sense - and it shows not only how spiteful he was (as you point out), but also proud, envious, and emotionally frail.
If I were he and in his place, I would blame Guts for the stupid decision I made after he left - and I would then find it unbearable how two underlings that were at my heel and felt nothing but admiration for me are now pitying me and planning to get on with their lives having me not even as a servant, but as a powerless child.
Before the eclipse, maimed Griffith tries jumping on Casca while she tends to him. He knows she loved him - loves him still. But now she no longer sees him as an object of desire. That's hurtful to his pride. As soon as he gets power, he reaffirms his hold on both of them with what he did.
It's not incomprehensible. It's just really, really dark.
Luciferian as in, the idea of man becoming god? Tranhumanist being another word. I had seen the 97 dub as it was airing as a child & while i blocked out most of it (that cliffhanger obviously), alot of it stuck with me on a subconscious level. Guts' theme for instance, i'd instinctively whistle it or just tap a pen or w/e in its' tune for *years.* Griffith tho? Basically the embodiment of lucifer
Thats why he is the real hero of the story.
He does not care about the morals that the world imposes on to him, and he creates his own morals to transform the world.
The people that call Griffith 'villain' are a bunch of delusional fantasists who cant accept a simple fact: the world does not care about your morals.
Griffith has seen this aspect of the world and to combat this he has created his own rules. He is therefore the real hero of the story. He didnt just sacrifice the Hawk, he also sacrificed his image. He will be known as a 'villain' yet he continues to fight for his goals regardless.
what a lovely day to have such an iconic username
I HAVE WITNESSED A MIRACLE!
UnstopablePatrik it's you. repent for god has enlightened me.
My lord!
My day will come...
yeah sorry...
I NEEED Casca to have her darkness come out bc she done been through it all, she been through too much, she's finally hit rock bottom and I want her to start ripping heads off
That's what you want for Casca but why would she want that for herself. Her ability to go through all the shit she has and still be human is her greatest quality.
@@yes1667 she didn't go through it she quite literally made herself brain dead to cope and not think about guts is the one took it even now as casca is back to bring sane the slight reminder of golden age sets her off
@@yousef-eq8zwdoes she remember?? And just chooses to ignore it?
She should kill griffith
@@cristalat101 Hard agree.
Griffith betrayed those who were loyal to him, rewarding them for their loyalty by having them all slaughtered for the sake of his own dream. Then he raped Casca as Femto. He stated he wouldn’t be able to see someone as a friend or equal unless they were able to live for their own ideals and follow their own dream, even if it meant challenging him for that right. Yet when Guts did just that and left the Band of the Hawk he had an absolute breakdown. Griffith is an amazing antagonist, because what he did was so fucked up and his shift from ally to enemy was so extreme. I started to view Griffith differently the moment he sent Guts to do his dirty work and he ended up accidentally killing a literal child because of him, that’s when I started to realize how selfish he was. What he did during the eclipse was absolutely unjustifiable. And I believe even if he never went through the torture that he did, never possessed the behelit, or never activated the eclipse, he STILL would have ended up sacrificing many of those loyal to him for the sake of his dream in different ways. Griffith has always been selfish
A lot of us are selfish and he was sacrificing lives before the eclipse by going into battle and nobody gave a damn about that. You may say Griffith used everyone but he also provided a family for so many people ( Guts and Casca) to the point where they wanted him to succeed. Griffith wouldn't have sacrificed many more people because HE WAS ABOUT TO ACCOMPLISH HIS GOAL until guts left.
@@godhawk4627 Nobody considered those fighting for Griffith because it wasn’t out of SHEER selfishness. Those men fought those battles out of free will and choice, they consensually agreed to fight for him to achieve his dream. They weren’t just unwillingly sacrificed like cattle, they actually had a choice. On top of that, him providing a family for others makes it worse. He gave them a will, gave them a reason to fight, and took it away for his own personal desires. And furthermore why is any of that Guts’ fault? As you said, Griffith was on the VERGE of kingship. He made the choice to sleep with the Princess, he made the choice to sacrifice those to the god hand. Griffith literally had it in his grasp and gave everything up over one failure, which wasn’t even a failure. He inspired Guts to live on his own accord, live HIS dream. He lost control of a knight, and more importantly his only friend. Everything that Griffith did wrong, was Griffiths own fault. There is no justifying or rationalizing what he did, everything was done out of selfishness. Even if we to try to justify to things like sacrificing his men, why rape casca? Why torture Guts? Because, he finally regained what he lost; power.
@@godhawk4627 so what? bro just murdered his whole troop cuz he needed a couple bands
Yes, he was always close to going too far. If it wasn't for Guts something or someone else would have made him go crazy. Just a matter of when, not if
the truth is that he didn't really want anyone to be his equal
band of the hawk: we would die for you griffith!
griffith: ok then die
everyone: *surprised pikachu noises*
😂😂
At least not that way...
fucking truuueee
Noice!
Jokes aside though, I think when they meant they'd die for him, they didn't expect being torn like rags by demonic entities. Atleast Pippin died like the Chad he was, and his death was really terrifying!
I want to read the berserk manga.
is the "eclipse scene" the last scene by griffith?
or is there more of Griffith to be seen?
Sry for my english...
Love the video. Love Griffith as a character.
Still want Casca and Guts to tear him limb from limb. Cute couple bonding!!
@Fourth Reich don't underestimate guts he somehow always finds away to succeed and casca may still have her warrior spirit in tact
Guts , Griffith and casca all are fucked up because Griffith have taken the body of their child
Press ⭕
Why is an alien reading manga tho?
Griffith did nothing wrong
People defending Griffith usually build an argument on one of two bad foundations.
1. “He does bad stuff for the greater good.” By his own admission Griffith does everything in order to rule his own kingdom. He’s only good to people as long as it benefits his goal, as evidenced by the eclipse. If he thought he could sacrifice Falconia to rule an even bigger empire he would do it in a heartbeat. And even if he ruled the world and there was no greater empire to sacrifice his people for there’s still no guarantee he wouldn’t find something else he wanted more. He isn’t sacrificing for the greater good, he’s sacrificing for his own gain. It just happens to benefit the people…for now. And it doesn’t entirely benefit them, which brings me to my next point.
2. “He’s bad but his kingdom is the only safe haven.” This is built on a broken window fallacy where causing problems creates opportunities to fix them. All the demons roaming around were his doing. He’s a solution to a problem he created. Yes, there were human wars before him but they were arguably better than demon wars. Greater good my ass. He’s causing greater harm to look good in comparison.
Another is Femto isn't Griffith
He's a God meaning his above morals
Actually Griffith reminds me of Palpatine. Causing a war on purpose, controlling both sides and in the end he eliminates one of them and is shows himself as the savior of mankind to rule them (I'm talking about the war against the Kushans)
@@fantasticautism Yeah, that's pretty much right. People want to act like he's some hero for the greater good, but he's just trying to prop himself up.
@@fantasticautism You dont need to look at fiction for that. Instead of starwars just take a look at the cia for a modern equivalent. Its pretty much the standard procedure for any gouverment/secret sevice to fuck things up and come in as the saviour.
While I do agree that Griffith cared deeply for Guts, I don't think he was emotionally devastated just from having to lose him and face rejection for the first time--I think that Guts' leaving was also a blow to Griffith's self-esteem. The reason Griffith took such an interest in, and ended up growing close to Guts was a respect and admiration in Guts' unwavering grit, but even if he was able to recognize that Guts was special he still owned Guts as long as Guts was in the Band of the Hawk. Griffith could still view their relationship as one of superior and subordinate. This is important, because throughout the story I don't think there's a single character Griffith meets that he isn't completely confident he can handle. He needs to be sure in his dominance of everyone around him to achieve his dream. This, I think, is why in that conversation before that fateful duel Griffith opens up with something like, "I didn't say you could leave." It gets even worse when you consider that Guts flat out beats him fair and square. Guts asserts his superiority over Griffith; even if it's just for an instant, and it puts a crack in Griffiths perception of himself, and makes him doubt himself. Not only did he lose a valuable asset and a friend, but he also lost a small piece of his radiant charisma. This is why he needs to visit the princess immediately and rush things: to, like you said in the video, compensate, and prove to himself that he's worthy of his dream. This is also why I think he rapes Casca. It's just a dominating physical statement of, "this belongs to me, not you" and "you're beneath me." Lashing out in retaliation of how fucking shitty Guts made him feel.
I haven't watched the Guts and Griffith video yet so I have no idea if you said all that already. I just wanted to type it out while it was still in my head.
Yes, I agree - of course it was also a blow to his self-esteem. There are many reasons behind most of Griffith’s behaviours.
Yeah I'm probably stating the obvious, lmao. :') Pretty cool that you responded, though. Thanks for letting me take your attention for a minute or two.
Not as deeply as Donovan
So like I was thinking.... he's the textbook embodiment of a narcissist. After dealing with two people like that in my life, I have nothing but loathing for him and people like that. Human predators basically.
@@sofaking1611 Donovan is the most boring character ever
That white haired chick looks hot
BeanieLordProductions *ITS A TRAP*
BeanieLordProductions She's only into chicks.
Hahaha. Gaaaayyyyy.
He did take money for buttseks
Griffith is bi. I'm not being a troll, he has voluntarily had sex with both a man and a woman.
Griffith was the greatest Mount and Blade player
Griffith did nothing wrong
@Bash Wetliar wrong universe
Night king has came for reek
Should have gone all swadian knights, then there'd have been no need for him sell his soul to conquer the world.
YOOOO IVE BEEN SAYING THIS. this is the type of man who your mount and blade character is.
@@cratoss.4772 All he would need is like 200 and the world is his for the taking
Ironic how Griffith saves Casca from an act that he then commits against her.
damn
Yes that is the worst part, also he felt like he owned those people's will and life in the band of the hawk. He knew that his path would require such sacrifice still he very much ignored that. That act in eclipse made him truly irredeemable
Casca is always almost getting raped lol, like every few volumes someone is after her
he was just feeling a bit freaky
Griffith saved Casca, Fenton did the act against her... Big difference between Griffith and Fentom....
"the road to hell is paved with good intentions"
That’s what will happened because some puny humans wanted to kill a god which will turn utopia back into hell or worse..
And the corpses of thousands of loyal soldiers
Finally, i found an embodiment of that phrase
You either die a hero or become the villain
@@greatestever2416 but Griffith was never a hero, he was trying to accomplish his own ambition
Griffith didn't save Casca, he showed her that she can save herself, which is why he means so much to her. If she wasnt capable of saving herself, she would have been killed. Basically in that one moment Griffith taught Casca how to catch a fish so she can eat for the rest of her life, instead of just giving her a fish for one night, only to be hungry the next day.
The most important thing parents are supposed to teach their children, yet most of them never do or don't know how.
Ironically, he "saved" Casca from getting raped.
@@irahdykeabueva4615 wild sequence of events if u think about it
Yeah sure, saved is the word I'd use. When literally she was gonna die anyway, after being tortured and abused.
Yes, Griffith gave Casca her first taste of agency and subsequently self-respect. If Casca valued her body, she'd have to save it herself.
What the fuck is wrong with you
Bro literally sacrificed the band of the hawk for a fucking castle.
AND DONT FORGET THE GAY BATMAN SUIT
*I mean, he needed a bridge, and since he could not afford an architect and the materials , he thinked creative and used the 2000-3000 remaining members*
he sacrificed the thing he loved for the dream, aka a fucking country, if you cannot understand how hard that is, you have never made a decision in life. Many of the viewer gains personal hate towards something they don't understand, maybe go watch one piece or something, thats gonna make life happier I guess, fits you more as well.
it's like Kaiseki, not everyone can develop a taste for it.
Read the manga. Griffith would be the great ruler.
I get it.
I respect it.
And I dug the video.
That said, Griffith can go to hell impaled on the Dragonslayer.
your are me and I am you but for now and I always will be , the real Big Boss,
Its gonna be a 2 second L, Guts isnt even going to hesitate
Whenever Griffith shows up in the manga he’s drawn so brightly I have to turn down my brightness.
its actually part for the story . He was chosen by fate to be savior of the world (in a very perverted manner) but still a savior. People wanted savior that would grant them better life, fate shaped it. When Guts fate was to be monster that hero must slain.
@@TaigaXsenpai damn so if that really was the truth, the ending...
Griffith gets prettier and prettier as the manga continues.
Oh, no doubt. He's a stunner.
crzyboy190 He's been disconcertingly pretty since his reincarnation into the physical world
crzyboy190 I believe the consensus on reincarnated Griffith is that his Godhand power partially incarnated itself in a supernatural beauty, far beyond the outstanding beauty that he had in the Golden Age. Griffith is now a being that has dabbled in the realm of the gods, and the power he has obtained has certainly manifested itself since his reincarnation.
DAHAXGUY Yes, it's definitely not just due to the maturation of Miura's style or anything like that. The fact that Griffith now has elliptical shaped pupils is proof that his physical body is not a facsimile of his old one.
lemonsyay1 That's how he looked? Lol.
The argument that he did nothing wrong is defeated by the simple fact that Griffith didn’t create Falconia for the sake of humanity. He did it for himself. Not to mention, he literally created the problems he’s protecting his people from. They just don’t know it.
Big question: Would there still be an argument for this if Griffith just choose to sacrifice his comrades to become the God hand and not rape Casca?
@@cabsflix8310 well, he used the lives of his comrades for his personal gain way before the grand sacrifice, so the point still stands. His ego and hypocrisy did enough evil, remember, how he said, that he'll respect and befriend the man, who has his own purpose and dream, and then he does 180°, and wants to literally kill Guts for being this man
@@cabsflix8310 of course people mainly talk about casca rape because he had no benefit in doing it so griffith defenders can defend that , not because they think casca rape was worse then the eclipse
@@cabsflix8310 no because casca would be dead anyway, she HAD to be sacrificed someway, she was her most loyal soldier. rping her was just part of sacrificing her and guts.
The argument that he did nothing wrong is defeated by the fact that he…literally SA and r+ped Casca…
And everything else adds to it, but that is one of the single most things you need to say he’s a horrible person and he did in fact do something wrong.
At the end of the day it wasn't Griffith's evil that lead to his downfall and betrayal, it was his emotional weakness. At the end of the day he is a phenomenal character
Yes! There's so much nuance in the characterization of Berserk's cast. This is a testament to the series' phenomenal writing.
@@thaloh YES
Still hate him
@@tanyaharmon6739 It's normal to hate him, but what we should know is that he is just a normal human, not an entity with no emotions, and not a pure evil being. I also hate him but he gave me some reflection of humanity.
@@rifkiarza6590 A normal human? After all the shit he's done?
Griffith/Femto is one of the greatest and most complex villains in fiction.
He is a son of a bitch...
nothing more ..
Johan spits on his complexity
guitar lover Who?
Johan Libert from Monster, I suggest you check him out, I promise you wont be wasting your time
guitar lover I was thinking the same
I knew he became Crazy the moment he said to Guts that he belonged to him
That was literally the first time they spoke
@@lucasdealcantarasantana339 lol it is!
Yeah there was a lot of foreshadowing in the anime
But Guts cannot take anymore what Griffith wants him to do. That is why Guts leaving the band of hawk.
@@lucasdealcantarasantana339 exactly
What if the reason Griffith is still human is because Casca and Guts are still alive and the Sacrifice is to some extent still not complete?
That could be understandable
Good point
Damn I hope they explore this in further chapters what an interesting concept
@@sammurray1943well probably find out in the next 15 years
Guts: leave the band of hawks
Griffith: *we don’t do that here*
Griffith lost because he acept his fate and in berserk the moral is fight against fate
Griffith fate is to be prince charming, (fake one ) but still one
Guts fate is to be monster that prince needs to defeat.
Guts is a person that wants to resist that fate, establishing that everyone can shape his own future.
@@TaigaXsenpai Why fake one ? He created peace for Humans and Apostel. He is only an asshole deep inside but does this make his action bad ?
@@roon568 lol I hope some destroys that place. Seriously.
@@taetm8868 Rickert will, probably.
Griffith seems to be similar to chrollo from hunter x hunter
Griffiths childish actions lead to him being tortured by the midlanders. If he had just accepted the fact that guts had left and not acted out, he would have been okay
@Flame Hydrant Griffith was a major bitch. He literally would have been 100% okay had he not started crying about Guts leaving and forcing himself to Charlotte that night and getting caught. It was very avoidable. Griffith irl is what people call a "Fuckboy" lol
@Flame Hydrant I dont think he cared about guts leaving because it hurt him emotionally or anything otherwise he wouldn't have tried to kill him. He was just mad that he wasn't getting what his way and wasn't in control so then his dumb*ss decided to sleep with the Charlotte AND get caught, then mouth off to the king. I think he's just very narcissist with an obsession for power.
@Flame Hydrant Or maybe Griffith is just a sociopath and things would have ended that way it has whether or not if Guts left.
@@chimpantaco but he would probably still have had a high chance to be a king since he was already a noble. All he had to do was starting developing his political schemes and with that he could get closer and closer to the throne.
@@badrharith3487 word but instead he had to be a weirdo creep 🤦🏾♀️ at least we got a hands down iconic villain that everyone wants defeated 😁
I honestly think Griffith pre "year of torture" wouldn't have sacrificed the band of the hawk. Hell, he might have even tried to slay the demons alongside his men. Just one more kingdom to conquer. But then he spent a whole year receiving the worst forms of pain and torture imaginable. Even if his men's absence is understandable from a logical mind, after only weeks of torture, it's hard to stay logical. I imagine he began to resent them and question where the hell they all were. Griffith is not the same man after they rescue him. Memories of his former ambition is poison in his mind.
Well that’s kind of how the God Hand gets you. The gypsy who gave Griffith the Behilit told him he would become king in exchange for his flesh and blood. More specifically in the case of Rosine and the Slug Count their Behilits activated at their lowest points, plus with Uvik’s manipulation they were given the offer while they were told to make the sacrifice while in emotional states, not while they were at their high points.
let's not forget the fact that he became crippled for life, unable to move by his own means, nor even talk. And his beautifulness was torn apart by him. He not only suffered torture, he was completely stripped of himself. He had suffered the torture but was able to speak and wield a sword, the story would have been different. THis is kinda foreshadow with the hole gambino leg accident and how it changed him. They were warriors, who fought their way trough life.Taking them that for them was the worse that could happened to them. Worse than death
@TutiMuse i mean he chosed that way of life by sleeping with princess knowing the ramification of such an act , finally consequence come to him but and left him stripped of everything , but he subscribed to this kind of act by making his own choice but the the whole squad payed the price for that
@@negrevallsette2980Ah yes, cause consensual love with somebody that loves you back justifies that sort of consequence. I don’t think he could have foreseen that.
@@conquestanddeath4406 whatever he had with the princess was not love anyone call tell. It is known that if you get caught sleeping with a noble while you aren't as high in position as them shit happens to you. He WAS selfish sleeping with the princess knowing and putting everyone at the risk of it including himself.
Heard this from somewhere
“Griffith had one bad day and he turned into a villain, Guts had a lifetime of bad days and still a good guy”
Edit: I know guts is not a good guy, but still think he’s better than griffith 😂
I get what you’re saying but Guts has killed thousands of people lol.
@@REMfakeplastictrees lol got me good
Also griffith didn't have a bad day he had an entire bad year😂 couldn't hold a sword anymore ..couldn't speak, most definitely got raped by that sick bastard
But still Fuck Griffith
One bad day? He had a bad year of intense torture and mental anguish from being abandoned by Guts...the only person he genuinely cared about. Sounds gay and it might just be but it is what it is.
@@Mutterschwein he shouldnt of fucked up then lol he knew what would happen if caught
Still waiting for the moment where guts kills griffith
Me too....
My grandchild will enjoy it
@@roon568 oof
my kids and grandkids will love this moment when it comes
naah newa!!!
@jon castro We are 75% done damnit. Have some God damn faith!
I actually agree with most of this. Doesn't make me hate him less tho
And that's fine...you can agree and still have your own opinion. I hate him for what he did too. Doesn't keep me from agreeing with what this video presented.
You can understand how people you hate think. That doesn’t make you evil. Such a common misconception these days is that if you understand how an evil person works that makes you evil. But how can you help prevent evil people from being created if u cant understand them? You can learn a lot by exploring how “evil” people think.
@@pikkallo6013 no one is completely evil. Most people live their lives never being tempted by access to great power.
@@jaywyse7150 real asf
"Griffith did nothing wrong" just to read this trigged me kkkk.
I've been traumatized by the eclipse ever since I finished 97 series a few weeks ago. Your explanation puts me to me peace. Thank you!
My pleasure!
... No, he had to tell himself, those days are gone. The realization twisted in his belly like a knife. They had chosen him to rule. The Wall was his, and their lives were his as well. *A lord may love the men that he commands, he could hear his lord father saying, but he cannot be a friend to them. One day he may need to sit in judgement on them, or send them forth to die.”*
― George R.R. Martin, A Dance with Dragons
Nice parallel.
Darkside Royalty Lore wait wait bro what? I did not expect to see you here
I'm not surprised your here, more unexpected than anything.
Hello darling.
@Darkside Royalty Joker? I didn’t expect you here?
So Griffith said he can only call someone a friend who follows his own dreams. Guts leaves to do just that and Griffith fucking broke like a glass jaw. He's a great character and all...But he is a walking contradiction for the way he acted when Guts finally wanted something for himself to achieve.
yes!! exactly, he should've been happy for gutts to leave, gutts said i need to find what i want! so basically he should of been friends with gutts instead he fucking fucked everyone over because he lost his best man from the band of the hawk!
Rohan Walker griffith definitely didnt see it that way since as explained in the video he hasnt grown emotionally much.
sirc7777 That's true, Griffith hadn't grown that part of his mental. But that might mean he couldn't be fit to rule a kingdom then. The one thing he wanted so badly. If he treated his most trusted friend Guts this way for simply wanting to grow and find his own way, one could say he wouldn't be fair to his subjects had he been king.
Gloria Gracey Oh most definitely! But i also have to take into account how my mate is feeling. just cuz things are great and we're on top, doesn't mean my boy is all happy. And who am I to try to stop my friend from finding peace.
u see, griffith didnt consider guts just as a friend companion. he was in love with him, he couldnt fathom what he was feeling and self destructed as a result.
When I feel misunderstood, and at the end of my road, I come back to watch this video. So far it's been 4 times, and each time it's better than the last
Guts losing to Griffith when they met then defeating him easily before he left shows how much he grew. Griffith originally saving Casca from being defiled but then being her defiler as Femto shows how far he’d fallen
I don't think it was ever an issue of whether or not Griffith cared about people. He definitely did. He's a monster because he chose to do what he did anyway. Humans can be monsters too. That doesn't make him less of a monster. I love the character arc he goes through though. It's totally believable. I love to hate him. Because he's not evil. He's just human and monstrous because of it. He's a tragic character first and foremost.
Am i the only one who doesnt hate him
c-c-c-COMBO BREAKER!
I believe maybe we would hate him less if he was portrayed as that monkey demon, that was a feral beast (and human, a cruel one) or was emotional distant from everyone. Because we would just picture him as evil being without any relation with humanity. He is very human (more in the negative aspect in my opinion) and in the end of the day he chose send everyone he care about to hell and fulfilled his dream.
nah
@@azizabaptiste5358 There's something severely wrong with you
Just got home from buying about 7 volumes of Berserk for dirt cheap to find this. This is an amazing day filled with early birthday presents.
Happy birthday!
Aleczandxr you know the part when you say femto try to put on a show as tho gutz is beneath him I suspect the same where the 2nd time gutz was before the God hand I think it was a way of femto protecting Gutz from being Sacrificed
how much each vol? where did you get them ??"?
Friend of mine's relative owns a local book store. Managed to get them all for half price (7 bucks USD) because of an unofficial "birthday discount" lol.
if you have a chance read claymore manga, it's very good
Griffith is the living manifestation of hypocrisy.
He's fictional, not living 👀
@@undeadburgler2646 they live in our hearts
@@1iq40 ye :,
@@undeadburgler2646 Is Johan Liebert fictional as well?
@@griffithdidnothingwrong462 yes
"Griffith... May his name be forgotten forever"
Griffith post the Eclipse became a beautiful, almost perfect being with divine like presence. Although his heart was rotten, dark, and evil. Just like Lucifer
Good comparison.
To tell you the truth Lucifer isn’t even an evil person
@@tommatt2901 doesn’t he hate humanity, after he was cast away from heaven? He’s a pretty bad dude
@@typea5426 he’s a pretty chill dude, simply put he just does his job, when sky daddy says u sin luici takes u judges u to hell, that’s really it
Honestly it’s been more then 10 million years ever since luici has been in hell, he probably forgot about hating humans tbh
Griffith is best trap...
As in...
If you love him you’ll be surprised not only because he’s a guy but because he’ll use your love as a pawn for his prideful dream.
Haku reigns supreme for the best trap ever and that's a fact not an opinion
@@Anubis-xk4ht no
@@Anubis-xk4ht Haku is a basic bitch tbh
I hate how much I love Griffith. Miura made the most wonderful antagonist known in fictional history with Griffith, and all I can do in response is to simply... stare, in awe and horror and yet a sick fascination.
"I want wings"
This is the wretched truth of Griffith. He wants wings. He wants to soar above humanity. Everything he does, and everything he strives for is merely a manifestation of his own selfish desires.
As an observer most of my life, as the video creator stated, that's the most human thing I've ever heard in my whole life.
Griffith is a character that is tragic but not at all sympathetic. People often get confused between them. More often than not, stories these days can intertwine these two aspects into one (which is completely alright) but berserk is not one of those shows. The golden age arc was a tragedy not only for casca and guts but also for Griffith, or we can say for Griffith’s humanity. He was a person who thought himself in a highly idealistic way in a cynical world like that of berserk. When he came to grips with his own faults, then he couldn’t defeat his inner demons and gave in- the reason why so many people hate him so much. At the end , we cannot sympathise with him at all but because of the downfall of his humanity, his story is a tragic one .But trust me, looking only at his part of the story makes him a heck lot understandable and we almost sympathise with him , which is the reason why he’s such a scary character for me. In the story, he maybe a beautiful lie for others , but he can also be a hard truth for us ,the readers . He teaches us in the most painful way that in order to get something u need to sacrifice a lot of things or u’ll struggle even more ...
when gutz leaves. grifith throws a hissy fit.
Sounds like a Millennial
I feel like he did that thing that girls do, he is a pretty feminine guy after all. He was hurt and needed someone on the rebound to just fill the hurt. It was risky and careless and he ruined all work he put in. Very human thing to do.
Well yeah. Griffith absolutely loved Gutz, and quite possibly in a romantic sense. Gutz set out on his own essentially abandoning Griffith. That's a pretty traumatic experience, and as someone who's been through it, I can attest that it can trigger a whole grieving process, and grief makes people do and say some incredibly inappropriate things.
@@cornuschristi1814 Yeah, Griff said himself that Guts is the only one thing that made him forget about his "dream." A little cryptic but love is definitely a reasonable interpretation of it.
Griffith is gay as fuck #sorrynotsorry
You know Griffith only saw Casca as one of his men... Not a lover or anything. And he saw Casca as an obstacle to Guts.
I think Griffith loved casca in his own way.
gdfhb that’s why he had that fantasy dream of him and her living peacefully
@@JL-yq9xn So I argue to say that the fantasy was his final submission towards what his human future would hold after the torture that was inflicted upon him. Griffith probably thought Casca is just the only person that would care for him if Griffith decided not to demonize himself, which does not necessarily mean the person he loved was Casca. I think Griffith loved Gutts but Griffith would never be Gutts equal ever again if Gutts stayed, nor would Griffith imagine Gutts taking care of Griffith because of who Gutts is.
Well said
@@NA-ud6qm You’re right! Griffith loved Guts, but never wanted Guts to become his equal. What interested Griffith about Guts is that Guts had potential to become his equal, so if Griffith can control such a powerful man then he would feel like he was on top of the world. He really appreciated the admiration Casca had for him, which gave him even more self-confidence; however, he never loved Casca and only thought of her as a tool. He only thinks of people as objects that belong to him that allow him to become stronger.
It's easy to say he did nothing wrong when your not the one being sacrificed, people who agree with what he did are literally insane.
@user-kg7fl3kn5r
A benevolent society doesn't sacrifice the weak, it protects them.
Yup, those people show how well written Berserk is, they end up simpathyzing with the villain, just the way it was intended
His charm trascends the universe he exists in
@user-kg7fl3kn5r He never loved them, he just gave them special treayment, but they were all pawns to him, and Guts his Queen
he is a human who wants to become and angel by getting wings while his process of doing so and his are what makes him a devil . i symphathize with griffith and get behind everything he has done and was justifiable rationally . apart from the raep part which was completely unnecessary .
@@MaskedEmperor18you nuts
Your comment about Griffith/Femto still being human actually fits something Slan said when Femto was doing what he did to Casca, “Such beauty...It touches me. Love, hatred, pain, pleasure, life, death. All are there...THIS is to be human. THIS is to be evil.”
Going off of what you've suggested, I think I've begun to see the Sacrifice as the final nail in the coffin of Griffith's philosophy. It was the moment he gave himself to fate, and in a way, became fate, taking all that he dreamed of and his friends dreamed of, and throwing it all away in a pool of blood. It was the easy way out. He may have wanted everyone to live for themselves but he also wanted to be powerful. He forgot, or choose to forget, for what reason he wanted power, because in that moment he was weak, in mind, body and spirit. And then he looked upon the easiest thing to blame for this weakness, and decided to spite him.
MariktheGunslinger Thank you
In his defense, though, he had lost all, the only person he ever loved, everything he had built through sheer sacrifice, control over his own emotions and even his physical integrity: he was an invalid, unable to even sit on his own. He was in total and utter crisis - and it makes sense the God's Hand would fetch their sacrifices when the subject is in such state of crisis, everything other than what reality is right then feels like a good idea.
This theme reiterates in Berserk over and over again with each of the God's Hand chosen, especially the insect arc. The girl who would choose to sacrifice her own parents, the people she cared for the most, why? Well, at a moment of crisis when everything was too much too bare, irrationally despaired for a way out.
Nadia Rey Causality rules the Berserk universe just as it rules our own. Griffith, with his incredibly strong will, was broken by a full year of unimaginable torture. No mortal man can undo the damage of torture. His choice was clear, either become a god or die. His choice was rational.
Neal Kelly. You are in the middle, right
Micheal Pinales Middle of what?
"Humans can be better than Angels or worse than Demons."
Something that I have always thought. and I find Guts and Griffith to be heavy proof of that.
And no matter what, Griffith did do something wrong because that last choice was the single choice he had just as much a reason to decline as he did to accept, but he made the human choice, the selfish one.
the human hum.
@@DetentionSickness Yeah, every human choice is selfish one. Example: Joel from last of us
@@ggmr399 Abby smh
@@ggmr399 Abby is cringe
@@kingmeruem8821 it all began with joe
Griffith:Talk shit about what true friend is.
Guts:Left to find his goal to become a man who can be his true friend*
Griffith:Surprised Pikachu face*
I do refrigerate Tabasco sauce. No, I don't know why.
Tobasco is like a soft orgasm after no foreplay if hot sauce. You need Cholula or Valentina, Fam. Step it up
@@addelbhatti3872 eat straight raw peppers dawg
Its the only real way
Probably because it says " refrigerate after opening" on the bottle
I want to read the berserk manga.
is the "eclipse scene" the last scene by griffith?
or is there more of Griffith to be seen?
Sry for my english...
@@yugimuto4746 That'd be kind of a spoiler but yeah, Griffith is always a thing in Berzerk's story
Very good points about the fake and real Ubermensch. Griffith and Guts were both faced with extreme adversity and both stoically endured and persevered but the key difference was the driving force behind them. Griffith had to hide his weakness behind an all-encompassing goal. When he first met Guts, he knew deep inside that Guts was the better man and had to assert dominance over him to maintain the illusion on which he unknowingly constructed his life. When Guts finally left and decided to pursue his own goals, this was like a crack that eventually destroyed everything that Griffith represented, as he basically identified with his goals. Griffith is therefore not evil, but weak. I think they tried to show that true power isn't physical, and it's also not the absolute denial of weakness. It's acknowledging weakness and learning to live with it, always pushing forward.
In my opinion one of the best written and scariest manga villains of all time. One of the greatest things about griffith is that he seems so human and realistic.
Humans are unique creatures, in that we have the gift of free will. Many fail to grasp the true meaning of this gift. Humans posess the capacity to be more kind and compassionate than any angel, but at the same time we are capable of being more evil and malicious than any demon as well.
He's too manipulative. Scary!
Reading your comment immediately reminded me of Johan Liebert from Monster. If there's one chilling, scary villain, it's him.
I seriously think we terrifyingly underestimate the effect the Egg of the King does psychologically to Griffith's character.
Rest In Peace Kentaro Miura, Berserk will truly go down as one of the greatest stories ever told.
Thank you for writing this masterpiece. U will be missed 🙏
RIP
I've always understood the reasons for his actions and can empathize why he chose to do what he did. I've always thought he cared about his soldiers and distanced himself because of it. Basically, I felt this everything you said in this video was true about Griffith, and during the Golden Age, I sympathized with his character.
However what he did was still absolutely wrong if you believe in morality. I feel the same way about any real life human. At the end of the day, it was still his decision. I understood why he chose it but it doesn't change the fact that he's done it.
I hate him as a person, but love him as a character and antagonist! That's also why I love Guts, because he's the protaganist but he's far from being a hero. That's why I love Berserk so much because the characters are very well written, with tons of realistic depth.
Of course. What he did was wrong. Like I said, he CHOSE to do what he did. He was manipulated and goaded, yes, but in the end he chose to kill a bunch of men who trusted him. Totally wrong.
streetough I see the exact moment of the eclipse's consumation,i mean the point where Grifith could say yes or no,where a choice could be done,as a climax with a geniously crafted background.In one hand,Grifith based his life on a ideal,the ideal of being in control of your future,of being capable of seeking your dreams,and,on the other hand,to make his dream come true,to make this ideal become reality,he had to contradict himself,because,sacrificing the band of the hawk in order to have another chance of being king is the same of smashing the dreams of all his comrades (by killing them all,of course...He did more than smashing their dreams,but he did it the same way),in other words,he would do (and he did) what the nobles,the rules and other entities would do to him.As you said,he had a choice,he did "something" wrong by the lens of moral,but not only "common" moral.The way i see it,by becoming femto,Grifith betrayed himself
I think one of the things the writer was trying to say was that our world, the post-medieval era, was built on the brutal sacrifices of those from that world. To me, the Eclipse is a metaphor for the tons and tons of battles that any hero in history has fought, and the gigantic piles of death and rape that go with it if you look at it all at once.
It seems that the story is going the way of Falconia basically becoming as big as the British and Spanish Empires, and onwards to be as big as America in its hay day. After the Crusades against the Kushans, they will go on to conquer the entire world. This is basically what happened in the real world.
This story challenges the reader to be one of the citizens of Falconia, looking up and marvelling at the technology/magic of those who use the Philosopher's stone. We all know the horrors of the wars that helped us get here, just and otherwise, but Berserk challenges us to look at the one who survived that sacrifice.
So the question Guts will be asking himself is: Will killing Griffith be a net gain for the world? The answer is probably 'no'. If Guts decides (is able to) kill Griffith and achieve his goal, I hope Muira doesn't pussyfoot around the amount of similar sacrifices Guts will make of his followers to achieve his, less noble, goal of revenge.
If I'm right, Casca will either commit suicide or go to join Griffith when she wakes up. Ishi, Farnese, Schierke etc are all going to die in order to help Guts kill Griffith, and the story will have come full circle. 'But they followed Guts willingly!' I hear you say, well so too did Griffith's followers. And after Falconia falls, the world will go back to the medieval hell of 100 years war.
Otis Miller - actually I'd say that Griffith being alive or dead won't be any great loss for the world. you want to know some of the people who are most responsible for our modern western world? Johannes Gutenberg, inventor of the printing press. sociopaths and despots do little to further the world. kingdoms rise and fall but real human progress comes through scientific discovery and invention. you, me, and the seven billion other people on this planet owe our existence more to the invention of nitrogen fertilizers and the increased food production they facilitated then to any old world ruler.
I get your logic it's the "I would rather have an evil genius in charge then a foolish good guy." the problem is that if he was really such a genius he probably wouldn't need to be evil or rely on powers he didn't really earn. in reality you usually get evil fools, and that never works out well in the long run.
I mean you ask if killing him will be a net good but compare his empire to the British. we are still paying the bloody consequences of imperialism doing things like carving up the middle east, the Atlantic slave trade, the extermination of indigenous cultures across the world, and so much more. I doubt all of the victims of imperialism would consider imperialism to be a net positive that endeavor.
also his kingdom is based on the powers of hell, you only need to play the new Doom to see how well that will work out. I say you couldn't kill Griffith quick enough.
This was so nicely put!!! Totally agree!
I can't hate Griffith or Guts, I love both characters very much, such a good series!!
Griffith is an absolutely diabolical, horrifying but oddly vulnerable, heartbreaking anti-villain; great video.
Thanks very much.
Aleczandxr He won't expect (or deserve) a happy ending but I have an inkling he could go down a similar path to FMA Brotherhood's villain, Greed.
I would say anti-hero/anti-villain before the Eclipse. He's not an anti-villain afterwards though.
he's a rapist, murderer and a manipulator. nothing about him is heart breaking aside from his destruction of casca. Anti-hero? he isn't a highly heroic after the eclipse. all the humanity he has came from the infant used for his rebirth. I do not feel sad for some monster like that. he deserves to be tortured, mentally destroyed and when he begged for death, he won't be granted it he shall just be tortured further and that shall keep going untill he no longer knows anything but the common feeling of agony permiating throughout his broken mind and body. only when he's lost in the ruin of himself will he have permission to die. that is the least he deserves. but hey it's only a story lol
slightly heroic* lol
My read on griffith is probably the exact opposite lol to me he seemed like someone who only ever cared about himself, anything he did for someone else he did for himself. And him losing guts wasn’t about him losing a part of his army it was about him no longer having control over someone who he saw had potential. If he was not better than guts than his whole philosophy on life crumbles. He thinks it’s okay to step on anyone’s dream because he believes he is better. I think on the night of the eclipse he does have his most human thought’s because he has been entirely humbled, due to the state of his body.
Same.
And the worst part is that Griffith (from my perspective) wasn't even a psycho either, psychos are inherently evil, and it's irrelevant if they do it or not, it's in their nature and it's not amusing.
Griffith was aware of who he was, of his greed, of his pride, he had a good side, he knew it, but he still decided to go down the biggest ####bag ever known in human history. That's what makes him the absolute evilest in my eyes.
Sees "Griffith did nothing wrong" and clicks
Tavon Taylor *clicks the like button
That's what literally every single person here did
...to find out how Guts is doing only to start to appreciate the role and motivations of Griffith much more than before thanks that was beautifully described and explained, ta.
hi
*puts the grasses on*
I just wanted to say you did a great psychoanalysis of Griffith's character. I never understood (outside of the obvious trolls) why people would defend Griffith's actions, but you truly analyzed his upbringing, lust for desire, suppressed empathy, and reverse roles of the "Ubermensch" logically and unbiased. I am a huge Berserk fan and this video truly opened my perspective to how human Griffith/Femto could be. Keep up the great work man. Earned yourself a new subscriber!
Thanks dude, glad you enjoyed the video!
I have no sympathy for rapists like Griffith. there is no justification for it. I don't care about his history. that is unforgivable
This is the best analysis of Griffith I've seen. It doesn't excuse his actions, but it does reveal all his layers and proposes an interesting counterfactual narrative, where he could've been closer to a hero - in the context of the grim world of Berserk, at least. I especially loved the bit about Guts' and Griffith's opposing 'uber mench' trajectories, hadn't thought of that before. Great stuff!
In regards to Griffiths speech about friendship to Charlotte, it recently struck me that perhaps he's, if not lying to himself, at least very unaware of what it means to be human and how relationships and friendships are forged. Griffit displays very lofty ideals for what it means to be somebody's true friend, stating that a true friend would would follow his personal dream even if it would impede his own.
Yet, Guts does just that. He leaves the Band of the Hawk in search of meaning - something which should qualify him as a true friend - but instead of respecting him for it, Griffith feels deeply betrayed and is plunged into a state of depression. In time he even starts to resent Guts. As I see it, Griffith is forced to confront what what it means to be a social creature and what friendship really is. His ideals are tested, and his dream is crushed and he can't take it. The question he's forced to ask himself is what the use of these high ideals are, if your friends walk away from you? In real life, true friends are of course the ones who show loyalty, not necessarily to your cause, but to your person, based on love and compassion. Had Griffith realized this, and been more aware of his emotions as you put it, Guts likely wouldn't have been driven away to begin with, seeing as the meaning he was in such desperate need of was, ultimately, love, friendship and belonging.
griffith blessed casca with pregnancy
But the fact that griffith fall in depression doesn't mean that he didn't respected his action. He was obviously stunned by it because he didn't expected that.
Let's say that I think that a true girlfriend is someone who can decide by her own when she don't want to be in a relationship anymore. Let's say that I have a girlfriend and she leaves me. Ok... so now I shouldn't be depressed or sad because my girlfriend left me because of what I said in the starting sentence? How am I an hyprocrite just because I'm sad about my girlfriend living me. I would be an hypocritice if I would search for her. If I would follow her. If I would be mad at her for doing that.
No...
Griffith never saw Guts as an equal. Surely he saw him as a confidant, reliable, and trustworthy, but again, he never saw him as an equal, and would've never considered him an actual friend. Griffith considered Guts beneath him, as his property, whose life he owned.
Griffith said it himself before making Guts 'earn' his freedom: "You belong to me."
@@surreptitiouswritings i feel as if ur explanation is far too simple, why lose a property to the point of grave failure? He already had it all, he was already very successful and is very close to becoming a king, but he gave it all up over a stupid mistake one night. Why was guts leaving him that hurts him, why does he feel the need to keep him as property, there has to be a more complex reasoning. Like during the apocalypse scene griffith said himself abt guts, "you made me forget my dream". What do you mean by forget, what distracted griffith to forget his dream, his wish to make guts his property? That doesnt make sense. The self deception would prove allot over his depression. Nobody becomes severely depressed over a toy taken away from them, and not to the extent of griffiths anguish. That toy must have meant so much more.
Griffith is, from start to finish, the most well fledged out and accurate portrayal of an acrual real life psychopath I have ever seen. He is not the hollywood edgy psychopathy based bad guy. He is the pure realistic version of psychopathy.
Tell me you don't know about aspd without telling me you don't know about aspd:
@@MeeraRustshieldSystem aspd is not the same thing as psychopaty. Are you one of those people who thinks it is?
@@RightWingRadioShow The thing is, psychopathy is not much of a defined psychological term as much as people like to pretend it is, much less one to be used as annaccusatory moral judgement
It's not really a classified disorder iirc
All of that without even taking into account that, even if it were a defined "evil disorder" as people claim it to be, that'd still be an unmatching description of Griffith as shown by the video
@@MeeraRustshieldSystem You don't know what the hell you're talking about(shocker).
Psychopathy and sociopathy are clearly defined terms in neuroscience. It has been proven to exist in brain scans. Aspd is not psychopathy nor sociopathy. It is a diqgnosis for a set of behaviours.
@@RightWingRadioShow 1) Again, that's still not really defining Griffith's character given what was shown on both the video and manga
2) I still don't recall it being a thing in the DSM-V
3) That's still a bit of a stigmatizing, moralistic way to use the term more so than any neutral or scientific one imho
I've never seen Nietzche applied to Berserk specifically in that way. Really interesting thoughts man, super well done.
Thanks as always pal.
Wow it is almost like women and romance are idiotic in their nature.
did anyone notice on the day of blood griffith was questioning sacrificing them, there was even a point shown in this video where he reaches out to grab gutts hand. I feel if he really was 100 percent sure about sacrificing them he wouldn't have reached out to gutts
i thought you wrote guts butt...my minds getting all weird after reading a bunch of berserk doujinshis
Or he wanted guts to see him become stronger then him...just like how he rapes casca right in front of him 😱
The story of one man escaping fate, and another embracing it. Berserk truly is a masterpiece.
Not really. Griffith just wanted to soak in his glory, his ambition was greater than his care.
Guts is the one fighting against fate since the Eclipse, more than Griffith would've ever cared about
Thats what op said@@luis-sophus-8227
I really think Griffith wanted Guts inside him and Casca got there first.
Think? Miura confirmed this as canon.
Dipayan Degtyarev - lul what? source?
Dipayan Degtyarev so Griffith is gay? Or just gay for guts ?
I need answers now lol
ImSippinBlackteaInYoHood _ it's very very simple: he loves a human's personality, not his/her sex
Kira Lawlet lmao
ohhh the comments are gonna be fun
Aleczandxr I don't know about "justifiable" but I do find his actions understandable. How many of us would activate a behelit if we were in the same situation as him?
The God Hand never show up to offer transcendence to people in their happiest moment. It is always when they are consumed by despair.
0816 M3RC and what triggers you to rape someone? That's not something most people can't even stomach witnessing, let alone doing. He's evil.
Levi Harris-Hale well he did try to save guts from falling but after he got further corrupted by the god hand he tried to test his humanity to confirm what the god hand said which he ended up proving when he felt nothing after that.
And at the same time he also proved he is still human as he shows off his new power to Guts that way looking for trigger him. Otherwise he could have just killed him beforehand.
The Godhand brings up a good point, every member of the Band Of The Hawk pledged their lives to Griffith in order to see him become a king. Whats greater than a king? A god. So its understandable that Griffith would see this as an acceptable sacrifice that the Band signed up for in a way
Raping Casca though, was purely to hurt Guts, and is irredeemable.
Bullshit
Stepping on the corpses of his comrades just to fill the gap between him and the distant castle.
No, before they always chosen sacrifice themselves for Griffith's dream, and the way to do that. At the end they didn't choose to give their lives or even the way to do that, Griffith stole their lives in the eclipse.
The difference is their consent. The BoH members consented to go to war for Griffith's dreams, they knew the risk but they believed that he could pull them through to the other side. He was extremely successful after all. Anyone who wanted to leave could... well except for Guts. In the Eclipse, he disregarded the desires and consent of the BoH. None of them understood what was happening, they had already lost their fame/titles/hope in Griffith, and most had picked to follow Guts to glory instead.
We also know the BoH last surviving members strongly disagree with what he did and make it clear they never consented to it.
@@user-mg7wh8zq6v well it wasn’t his fault tbh is like every world leader and general like Alexander the Great and other generals all of them did the same no kingdom is made without blood
Griffith is, in many ways, the definition of a paper tiger. He's an absolute monolith of charisma and confidence until he loses. When he loses he absolutely crumbles and destroys everything he struggled for and falls to ruin. What comes out of the Tower of Rebirth is exactly what he always was inside: weak, selfish, desperate, and greedy. Reminds me of that old Spenser quote, "He who strives to touch a star oft stumbles at a straw".
Opinion rejected. Paper tigers don't remake the world
@@ukraineuberalles648opinion rejected, paper tigers don't usually have causality guiding their life from the shadows.
“Guts and Casca have reported you to the admin”
Griffith absolutely cared about his soldiers, he just didn’t care about them more than he cared about himself. That’s what makes him human, and that’s what makes him evil, and that’s what makes him a member of the God Hand. I love how we get so little inferiority from Griffith throughout the Golden Age, such that it’s impossible to know exactly what he’s thinking or feeling when he’s crippled near the end of it. Does he try to strangle Guts or does he not? Does he stop because he loves him, or stop because he realizes he’s powerless? Does he attack Casca, or try to hug her? Does he want to make love to her, or express his love for her too late, or is he angry at her, furious for what he perceives as possessive, romantic betrayal? It’s impossible to know, and I love that about the character.
And yes he absolutely needed the God Hand to tell him that not only would his soldiers agree with his decision, but by necessity in fighting for him and trying to rescue him and risking their lives for him, they had already implicitly made the decision to die for him. The eclipse was just Griffith cashing the check that they had already written.
But all that being said, it still comes down to the core selfishness. You could even trace it back to rescuing Casca-did he really do that because he felt compassion for someone being abused by another? Or did he do it because he felt hatred for the abuser? Was it an act motivated by love, or by hatred? Because there’s a big difference between someone fighting for others, and fighting against others. And Griffith definitely hates nobles and nobility, the epitome of people who did not struggle or work for anything in their lives, while he had to fight for everything he wanted-and he wanted everything.
So yeah. Griffith’s a great character, spectacular villain. But he’s a bastard, and no amount of excuses or rhetoric can avoid that he cares more for himself and his dreams than anyone or anything else.
Except, for a while, for Guts. And later, I think, for Casca, though never to the same degree. And you are right that he had no idea how to square that in himself, because he had never cared more about someone else than himself before, and so he convinced himself he didn’t, until he couldn’t anymore.
I stopped relating to Griffith once I started studying more about the Godhand, Griffith was a chosen one, he was fated to become a member of the Angels, he didn't do anything on his own, everything was woven for him by the Godhand in order for them to finally gain a new member and Overlord, but there was a disruption in the force, Guts, he defied their will, and abandoned the Hawk, this disrupted the Godhand's plan, and since they had to think of a new way to make Griffith make the sacrifice, Griffith was finally alone, he wasn't being guided by the angels, and then, he broke, and he finally made a decision of his own, which was a terrible one, fucking the princess, which resulted in an entire kingdom going after him, this shows just how helpless Griffith is without the angels guiding him and making the decisions for him, and then he was captured, and tortured for an entire year, but he didn't save himself, he was saved by Guts returning, due to the angels finally thinking of a new plan, and then all that stuff happens and Griffith becomes Femto yadda yadda, what's more is, right before Griffith makes the sacrifice, he has a line "you (Guts) were the only one to distract me from my dream.", which is a remark on how Guts was the only one to defy the angels' will, therefore disrupting their plan, and making Griffith do what he did which led to his imprisonment
This is just a theory of mine, don't take anything I say as fact.
You know the prophecy by the old woman who gave Griffith the Behelith? I can't quite quote it word by word but there was something about giving his flesh, and blood for his goal before reaching it, therefore Guts didn't really disrupt the angels' plan, but rather kickstarted it by making Griffith making a mistake out of brokenheartedness, of course if we go by your theory on Griffith's achievements. Welp, we might never know now. RIP Miura san.
Nah
Well I see what you are saying, I have 1 contention. when guts meets the god hand again during the fight with the slug count they say how he is worthless and not important to the plan at all, not even enough to kill even thou it would be as simple as flexing a finger, wouldn’t they just kill him because of his ability to disrupt fate?
No, chapter 73 isn’t cannon
@@3rd_eyeonly324 I think they spared him due to how they see themselves as gods and have these huge egos and see Guts as nothing more than a small fish in a big ocean. Killing Guts would prove that Guts was important to Griffith and that in simple terms he lives in his head rent free
Griffith accepted the magnificent persona people attributed to him. He claimed to value friendship but all he was used to was a master-servant relationship. The moment Gutz and Casca were moving away from him, his self-concept was destroyed. He broke down. People's true nature comes out in times of difficulty, for Griffith, it was the realisation that he was no longer the center of the universe for "friends".
"No matter how little emotion Guts shows, he is still human. And no matter how much emotion Griffith shows, he is not..."
I should be saying something regarding the video because it really was quite brilliant, but... your tabs at 11:48 are making me chuckle continuously.
So do you refrigerate tabasco sauce?! ;-)
Aleczandxr depends is it an odd weekend or even, also is it opposite day?
Amazing catch XD
That's good and all, but Guts is still going to snap him in half in a bloodthirsty rage.
Doesn't Casca get a crack at Griffith too?
Also the Godhand offered him the choice when Griffith was at his lowest point, he'd just been held captive and tortured maybe even raped for a year, after (in his mind) his best friend left him, he was not in the right state of mind to make that decision, if he had received that offer back during the good days with Guts and the hawks, he may have denied the offer.
The starkest difference between Guts and Griffith from an ethical perspective is how they deal with their experiences of abandonment and betrayal. Guts experiences this repeatedly throughout his life, and always picks himself up, dusts himself off and carries on with his life; damaged and suspicious but learning to trust again fairly easily for what he's been through. Griffith throws a huge tantrum like the giant baby he is the instant he experiences a glimmer of defiance from a person who he considers a possession rather than a friend and loses his fucking mind at the notion of other people having free will in opposition to his own. He considers his own ambition an inevitability that all others must yield to.
No wonder the clarion call of entitled man-children across the internet is "griffith did nothing wrong." Instead of proving his strength by carrying on with dignity, he destroys everything around him to punish the one person he couldn't control. That's a mark of weakness, not strength or purpose.
Your point about Griffith needing to be convinced that the Hawk would've wanted him to sacrifice them before he actually did it really sold me. Excellent video.
Thanks!
We need a group of psychologist yo analyze Griffith/Femto as a character xddd
Griffith: Aspiring and talented humanitarian leader (of the time, its far from humanitarian these days lol)
Femto: Twisted malevolent being of pure evil
The beauty in the writing how does he get there! How does such a thing happen. Beautiful writing with a great message. Which is ruined by a rape scene too many people dont understand the story at all due to bias, what a waste.
No we don’t, dudes a narcissist, possibly a sociopath that will do whatever he needs to do to get what he thinks he deserves.
He's just a run of the mill homosexual
Well, at least you aren't crazy enough to compare Griffith/Femto to a fictional serial killer. ruclips.net/video/KxbrzM4KahU/видео.html
@@Konton0178 Thats the dumbest thing I've heard in a while
Just finished the anime last week and have been struggling to finish a video focusing more on Griffith. I despised him at his worst but was inspired at him at his best, which made that betrayal of his friends that much worse. This was pretty much the perfect summary piecing together my mixed jumble of thoughts on him especially at 17:29 so thank you. Now maybe I can give him *a sliver* more of sympathy.
I found this vid in RUclips’s hip hop section wtf
My knifes Don’t cut the man is spitting straight fire
Robb Banks aka Femto✳️
He spittin facts that’s why
It’s definitely a gangster tale
Whoah. Thanks so much for making this!
Honestly I had a difficult time understanding Griffith as a character. I somehow "estimate" how he is, but I could not really point it out clearly in words. And yes, I still hate him for his actions but I did want to understand what drove him to commit his acts during the eclipse. I also wanted to know what makes him so charismatic.
Griffith did nothing wrong
I see the original Griffith as having died during the Eclipse.
I like Griffith as a character, hate him as a person. He is so damn interesting yet so damn despicable at the same time.
Griffith still has feelings as femto being a demon doesn't remove them the demon that refuses to sacrifice his daughter later is proof of it.
And him refusing the second beihelit shows they can be denyed.
You cant compare "later with the time" He just transformed and is a demon. Remember this is a written story that the writer wants to send a message. The message was Griffith clearly transformed into a Demon who is evil. That's the message, thats the story.
Blackwolf MGTOW lel just cuz you would do the same thing doesn’t mean it is right
@@zoluz9165 nice dude, that is quite profound.... very berserk!! made me think for a second.
@Blackwolf MGTOW true