Is Vermithor Stronger than Vhagar?
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- The two most colossal dragons to be showcased in Season 2 of House Of The Dragons. The highly anticipated House of the Dragon will be released in a few months, bringing with it the awe-inspiring creatures known as the Targaryen dragons. The largest among them is the ancient emerald dragoness belonging to Aegon the Conqueror, who currently stands at the age of 184 as depicted in the programme. The second largest entity is the bronze fury, which is about a century old and nearly as colossal in size. However, what is his actual size? In this video, we will evaluate the dimensions of vermithor by examining its visual representation in the last episode of the show, analysing the concept art, and considering the descriptions provided in the book. Once we have completed that task, we will compare them directly to determine whether the bronzy fury is truly more potent and intimidating than the ancient vhagar.
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In the books nobody wanted to fly out against Vhagar, not even in a 2v1 or 3v1. Daemon said the odds are not in their favor, the whole point of the greens being able to have a chance was because Vhagar was much bigger and fiercer than even the largest of the black queens dragons.
Caraxes and Vermithor together could have taken her, Caraxes was able to do it on his own, sure he died as a result, but history records him as the winner.
The Greens had 3 dragons , the Blacks had 11 . They could have won in 1 battle if their " leader " wasn't an emotional woman 😂😂
@@The2KhafreI’m pretty sure history recorded that as a tie. Both parties caused the direct death of the other in the fight.
@@rexibhazoboa7097 I personally count it as a win towards Caraxes. Much like when you have a hero and a villain fight and the hero kills the villain, then dies from the fight. We, the audience, tend to say the hero "won" the fight. It's definitely subjective, but that's just how I see it.
@@The2Khafre The way I see it, when Vhagar claws open Caraxes stomach, that was the kill shot. From that moment, Daemon and Caraxes weren't fighting to win, they were just hoping Aemond and Vhagar went down with them. The blood loss would've killed Caraxes before he could land safetly for Daemon.
A hero and villain example would be the hero performing the kill shot, when the villain realises he is done for, sets off a bomb that takes them both out. I love that its subjective though. Makes the fight more iconic.
You left out the fact Vhagar is a countless battle fought veteran. And you mentioned Vermithor lived a life of peace with its rider, not only does Vhagar have the size, but the experience as well. It would be no contest.
you didn't even see the full video. he does mention that lmao
What would Vhagar do when the enemy is child or husband of the woman who was the real dragon rider, sea serpent?
if daemon takes vermithror experience of the rider changes the whole thing again
Did you read the book? You will be surprised.
Vermithor lived during and age of “managed” peace. He saw several battles before the the dance
Vhagar was killed by caraxes who used an ambush, but vermithor got smushed and killed 2 dragons before he died, I think the bronze fury has this
Well, the battle was a different scenario. We have to consider we don't know if Tessarion fought Seasmoke, Vermithor, or both at the same time. And the fact that Vermithor was flying close to the ground before he was slammed into it, whereas Caraxes was dragging Vhagar out of the sky while he was getting ripped apart.
The fall killed Vhagar, whereas Vermithor was likely getting tag-teamed and was already taking damage from the various weapons being turned on him...
@@thalmoragent9344 Another detail to keep in mind is that Seasmoke and Tessarion were considerably smaller than Vermithor, barely a third of his size, while Caraxes was half the size of Vhagar and that added to the ambush made the battle of Vhagar more difficult than Vermithor's with Seasmoke and Tessarion.
Vermithor killed Seasmoke by ripping his head clean off, then collapsed and died because of the damage he sustained. Tessarion was alive, Vermithor didn’t kill her. She was killed by three arrows being shot into her eye.
@@thalmoragent9344 Caraxes ripped Vhagars throat out remember. She wasn’t untouchable.
@@joshuaadams6565 well at least he killed one of them unlike vhagar
People seem to forget that when Vermithor fought Seasmoke and Tessarion, he was riderless and already injured, compared to the latter, both of whom had riders.
we need a Balerion flash back!
I knew I wasn't the only one who wants that
You might be getting a show...
No Flashbacks, We're Gonna See Balerion The Black Dread At His Prime in "The Aegon's Conquest" Series, Which Will Be Premiered On HBO MAX In 2027.
If we do in some way, like in a dream, I’d like it to be as a shadow like in the hobbit when we were hinted towards smaug
@@Latenivenatrix_Mcmasterae or it could be a flash back to balerions last flight
Considering the books said meleys vs vhagar alone stood a chance I believe vermithor had a chance
Meleys and the Queen Who Never Was is one of the best rider+dragon combos in the entire show (only Daemon+Caraxes is better, imo).
@@Shinigasumi She really isn't. They are trying to portrait her as wise and strong to make her upcoming future more dramatic. She headbutted a ceiling, killed hundreds of people and let her ride drool on the greens instead of ending the war before it started.
She may believe Rhaenyra when she says she didn't kill her son, but other houses and people don't know that. All they know is, she allied herself to her son's killer wife, who is now a wife to the guy who murdered her brother in law. That shows tremendous weakness diplomatically, but writers don't make much sense, and clearly have a very simple way of thinking.
@@kalocaploc124and it still has nothin to do with how strong of a pair they are
I’m just imagining how much food all of them would need to consume
You should do Caraxes and Vermithor next. Love Your Content Keep Up the Good Work.
We should have had Vermithor vs Vhagar instead of Caraxes. Biggest missed opportunity
Well, Caraxes vs. Vhagar was more personal. Caraxes was Prince Aemon's (Rhaenys' father) rider whilst Vhagar was prince Baelon's (Viserys & Daemon's father) rider they were very close and even before Meleys was claimed by Alyssa Targaryen they had already been flying with each other for quite a time
And when Laena Valeryon claimed Vhagar, her husband, who had claimed Caraxes would race her around the crown lands along with syrax. So Vhagar and Caraxes flew with each other a lot so I think they would likely have had a sort of friendship like most animals.
i disagree mainly because of the riders it makes sense for daemon to go against aemon and also caraxes and vermithor is a very close fight no matter what because vhager is big slow and old but strong and caraxes is smaller but much faster and the more battle hardened and a better battle dragon at this point
@@wbgawfhu9owahfo126 Wasn't Vermithor also battle hardened too?
@@methlokaijufan9729 not really he was a peaceful dragon and wasnt good dragon vs dragon and he died in his first dragon battle against seasmoke and tessarion who are both about a third of his size but he did kill them both too im pretty sure so hed probably lose to either caraxes or vhager maybe meleys too
Her : i'm sure he is thinking about another woman
Me : Is Vermithor stronger than Vhagar?
She wasn’t Aegons. Balerion was Aegons. You know? The massive skull under The Red Keep? Pay attention
I think he referred to the fact that the 3 dragons were called the Dragons of the conquest or Aegons War Dragons even though they got they own personally rider
chiiiill bro
she was aegons originally its written that aegon gave vhagar and meraxes to his sisters implying he owned all 3 before then
@@wingwangtingtangNo it is not what the fuck are you talking about? Stop mistaking your fucking theories or someone else's for canon information. That is nowhere stated or implied in any books.
Your comment sucks. You know he meant one of his war dragons. He wasn’t her rider but controlled her nonetheless
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Balerion needs to be shown. Looking close enough to drogon but 3 times the size
I feel like having seen Vhagar in the show, she has become so huge, she's almost encumbered by her own massive size at this point.
This is essentially how they die... They get to a point where they can no longer support their own body weight
A younger Vahgar would be stronger & quicker tho were dealing with the old version with slower reflexes & maneuvers which is why Caraxes was able to use its long neck to bite chunks out of Vahgar & basically choke her like a snake using its body to wrap around a person.
Since the First time i saw Vermithor i Found It to be Very similar to Vaghar, is she his mother? And Meraxys might be Silverwing's
Vhagar vs Smaug. Should be a good fight!
Should be a quick one
Didn't GRRM already close that case saying only Balerion coould face off Smaug. And Smug was the smallest Dragon from Tolkien
@@0predaking0 smaug would kinda destroy him, hes farm smarter and larger...
Vhagar would be massacred
@@damon5257exactly. The only hope Balerion/Vhagar has against Smaug would be if they have their riders on them. This would level out the intelligence factor.
Vhagar was 90 meters long and 150 meters wingspan, a VFX designer words.
They said she’s 150 meters long. Not once did they mention wingspan.
@@devonpelley3832 wait, I will check it.
@@devonpelley3832there’s no way that dragons almost 500 feet
In the books Vermithor is bigger then Vhagar in the show . Book Vermithor is 110 meters long , show Vhagar is 80-90 meters long
@@nicksmithnutmilk where is it said he was 110 meter long?😯
Vermitor isnt even completely grown out after around 100 Years in the Books at least. And his Bronce Armor protect him against Bolts, dragon Fire and Cuts from lags. Its like an Natural Composite Armor be like who protect tanks against apfsds shells
Why no Spoiler Alert???
this mf just told us the biggest spoiler ever when he said caraxes killed vhagar..
What do they eat ? Cows? How many a day?
Since it’s so large I’m assuming its metabolism is incredibly slow and can eat a meal and go a few days maybe a week before needing to eat again.
Vermithor is my favorite dragon, as well as Jaehaerys is my favorite King and Targaryen too. But we have to be realistic here. Vermithor would for sure wound Vhagar, but would probably be defeated badly in the end. Vhagar has the size, superior strengh and experience in her favor. Vermithor was able to kill two adult dragons, even though he also died afterwards But Vhagar is in another level. Only Balearion would be a match for her, if he was alive in the Dance of the Dragons events.
Verminthor would have a speed and age advantage however unlike Vhagar, Vermithor is akin to a gentle giant who prefers to guard and protect rather than fight which for War means a lot more than you think. Vhagar was a war beast who wouldn't hesitate to destroy anything it deemed hostile even if it really wasn't. With that said if Verminthor fought Vhagar right away at Rooks Rest, Vhagar would have won but I believe that Verminthor would cause enough damage that Vhagar would be unable to fight in the war just like what happened to Sunfyre. Now if Verminthor fought in several more battles and was the Dragon to fight Vhagar over the Gods Eye I'd wager that Verminthor would have a 45% chance to win with no serious injuries but would also have a 55% chance to die taking Vhagar down as well.
His gentle giant attitude would be lessened after a few battles but Vhagar with her size and experience would make it unlikely for Verminthor to kill her without dying himself.
Vermithor is not a normal Dragon like Syrax.
Vermithor The Bronze Fury Is Much More Furious Than Vhagar, Also Vermithor is A Young Giant Male Dragon Who Has No Injury Which Gives Him The Advantage Of Being Much More Proactive And Furious Than Vhagar!
On The Other Hand, Vhagar's Age & Over size & Injuries Are Big Minus Point!
In A Nutshell, During Dance Of The Dragon, Vermithor Has More Chances To Defeat Vhagar.
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we want black fury battle in this 😍😜
Oh, no! 500 feet of winghspam!!!😂
You used a photo from my post on reddit at 2:13, it's awesome to see.
i heard someone say vhagar is getting up there in age she is getting closer to balerions age when he died and he died of old age with vermithor being close to 100 and also being pretty large he should be far more stronger and nimble giving him the edge in a fight.
I dont think the show will be 100% like the book. We will have some surprise !
Indeed. 😇
Vhagar vs the Balrog, would be a site.
King Ghidorah much bigger
Where from came gidhorah in house of the dragon??
I want a Vhagar vs Rodan
Rodan will win. He is a Prehistoric Titan.
Rodan,as any fire attacks wont work on him due to his volcanic nature all while being much heavier and faster than any GoT dragons.
Vhagar would be an easy meal for Rodan 😂
Rodan would do to Vhagar what she did to Arrax. Actually I take that back, rodan would obliterate vhagar by simply flying pass her and not even notice.
How do we know it’s vermithor show me an original vermithor pic
if you watch the show and use subtitles it literally says "vermithor growls" or something
Funny how Daemon always uses the derogatory slander "Bronze [insult]" towards people of the Vale, but then ends up to bond with the Bronze Fury :)
they don't "bond" in any sense
And the Bronze as in Bronze Yohn isn't slander....it's what his armor is made of ...some sort of bronze that's magically protected ...
I'd say Vermithor is the only other Dragon that could've fought Vhagar in a one-on-one battle and live to tell the tale.
People often forget that as cool as Daemon's stunt was at the Battle Above the God's Eye, his original plan was to corner and jump Aemond and Vhagar. He and Nettles hunted Vhagar for a lengthy amount of time, and it wasn't till Nettles was forced to leave that Daemon basically resigned to the fact that he couldn't take on Vhagar alone and survive the battle.
It's why we read about how Vhagar was tearing Caraxes apart, and all Caraxes could do was latch onto Vhagar and basically hold on for dear life as he was getting gutted and torn. The impact into the lake is what killed Vhagar in the end above all. The larger, older dragon wasn't gonna survive such a fall... my take is that she either died on impact or she was knocked out and slowly drowned on her way down.
So, if Vermithor and Vhagar battle, mayhaps he'd live, and would would definitely fair better than Caraxes did. That said, maybe he'd end up the same way Sunfyre did after Rook's Rest, alive but greatly injured.
Caraxes was burrowing his snout into Vhagars throat, I doubt she’d survive such damage anyway. Regardless I’ve never understood why Daemon and Caraxes didn’t bath Vhagars neck and back in flame, reducing Aemond to ashes. Similar to what happened with Rhaenys, she was most likely killed by vhagars flames than anything else.
I think meleys would have done decent as well since she was huge and the fastest dragon westeros has ever seen. Her horns that form a sort of crown around her neck would be vital in that fight, too, since a dragons neck can be pierced and severely damaged.
@@joshuaadams6565he wasn't burrowing into vahgars neck carafes latched on to give daemon the stability to jump across also caraxes was being torn to shreds by vhagar so he knew this was the end, I think it's the shock of losing it's rider is the reason vhagar fell which resulted in it death
@@hulksmash7960 No, it's specifically said that Caraxes ripped chunks out of Vhagar's neck while she ripped him apart. They were locked to gether which is why they fell out of the sky. It had nothing to do with her bond, this isn't Dragon Heart. Caraxes died from being disemboweled, Vhagar died from blood loss and drowning (how damn deep was that lake that she could drown in it yet people could dive down to recover Dark Sister and her skull?)
@@BloodofBlackFire if u can get the quote that says he ripped out chuncks of vhagar neck I'll cash app u $100 otherwise stop spreading misinformation cause that's not written anywhere in the book. It said he bit vhagar neck with his teeth and refused to let go while he was getting torn to pieces so daemon could cross over to kill aemon. Infact it's written that vhagar was more afraid of the fall than the wound caraxes was giving him
Thanx for spoiling
So is vermithor bigger than meraxes???
4:43 NO dragons were recorded to have any battle against themselves before Dance of the Dragons. (except Cannibal)
It is not the fact only for Vermithor.
The Black Dread killed Quicksilver
Godzilla vs Vhagar would be a great battle, lol
Vhagar would make a lovely afternoon snack to Godji
Vermithor é Elite, ele era feroz e poderoso, ele ganharia sim da vovó Vhagar que era idosa e lenta!
Maybe add a spoiler alert before speeding through spoilers?
Why didn’t silver wing help him fight at tumbleton
half the dragon fights don't really make sense in the book. Tell me why Syrax flies into an open dragon pit just to be cornered and die. Vermithor's rider was already dead when the fight with Tessarion and Seasmoke happened. The show has a chance to add valuable context and potentially correct the incorrect tellings in Fire and Blood
1000feet is Nomitz carrier. come on! Vhagar is times smaller. Rider takes decent space on her back
You should really put spoilers in these videos.
Or maybe don't watch a video about vermithor when he hasn't been discussed in the show....
If you can't read the title and assume there's spoilers then you need to get more clever or stay off the internet. It's seriously naive and males you look so dumb to get on the internet and cry about spoilers as if everyone I'd going to obey your spoilers commands. Pretty selfish of you. Maybe read the book???? Only book readers aren't spoiled..
No..
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Vhagar has really, REALLY shitty genetics.
She never even came close to Balerion's size despite only 20 years difference at time of death. Hell, she's said to have been as big as Balerion was during the conquest, MEANING 130 years before her death, when Balerion was Vermithor's age.
Vermithor himself is 80 years younger than Vhagar and also nowhere near Balerion, but his rate of growth already puts Vhagar to shame, seeing how they're basically equal in terms of raw power.
Vhagar IS the biggest, yes, but only because she got 80+ years a head start on the next oldest dragon and she's still barely bigger than him.
But then again, the sizes of dragons at certain ages has been all over the place since GoT, with a 7 year old Drogon challenging a 10 times older Meleys in terms of size.
Blood magic or not, that is just raw bullshit.
Most likely, the silverwing is the 3rd largest dragon, and then, apparently, a dreamfire
No
Vermithor is not a normal Dragon like Syrax.
Vermithor The Bronze Fury Is Much More Furious Than Vhagar, Also Vermithor is A Young Giant Male Dragon Who Has No Injury Which Gives Him The Advantage Of Being Much More Proactive And Furious Than Vhagar!
On The Other Hand, Vhagar's Age & Over size & Injuries Are Big Minus Point!
In A Nutshell, During Dance Of The Dragon, Vermithor Has More Chances To Defeat Vhagar.
Vermithor vs Vhagar
55% vs 45%
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Not as old as Vhagar but Vermithor was far from a young dragon.
They say 500 feet, but I think smaller. We will go with smaller. Stop doing that, if they say it’s 500 feet then use that.
The Targaryen tradition of putting dragon eggs in the cradles of their children really didn't go well for them. So many of their biggest dragons were unclaimed or claimed by another house as a direct result of this. The fact that Laena Velaryon was the rider of Vhagar for a long time was one of the biggest risks to the entire family that luckily for them didn't backfire.
I mean think about it. If Rhaenyra hadn't had Vermax and Arrax hatched for Jayce and Luke, they could have claimed Vermithor and Silverwing, and been a hell of a lot more dangerous. Hell if Luke had Silverwing, I doubt Silverwing would have panicked like Arrax did try to take on Vhagar. And on top of that, if Viserys hadn't hatched Syrax for Rhaenyra, she could have claimed Vhagar.
True
Vhagar is larger but doesn't work out and has double chin. Vermithor is smaller but ripped.
Honestly, most of the dragons in the series are fugly and resemble wyverns/wyrms more than true dragons.
in a 1v1 maybe... but no... the bigger = the better.. the older = the fire is stronger.
Can anyone clarify?...is Vermithor son of vhagar?
Nope
@@tonyheiz5761 hmm ok
@@vijaystanleymed6335 Well, he might be. When Vermithor and Silverwing were hatched, the only dragons alive were Balerion, Vhagar, and Dreamfyre. So it could be from either Vhagar or Dreamfyre.
This video is so incorrect…..
Vhagar got killed by Caraxes on the last battle. Vermithor by Surfire and Seasmoke. They alll died.
Vermithor fought with Seasmoke and Tessarion, not Sunfyre. Sunfyre died from wounds inflicted by Moondancer.
Let me ride Ghihidorah
No.
Vermithor no tenia cuernos?
Bro your sizes are way over 😂
It doesnt matter they dont fight and vermithor changes sides to the greens
stopped watching 20 seconds in when a simple piece of lore was fumbled. Its Visenyas dragon.
No...just stop it.
Ffffff
All hail the blood worm ! King of all dragons !