One last note on the video: No Custom Ralim firmware yet, the developer is working on it though. I have not added mid-rolls to this video and have opted out of adding them to my channel in general, I'm curious though if that is something that is important to you?
Hey Brian! Congrats on having your SAO Stand featured in HackSpace magazine. I saw it and though it looked like yours, and sure enough there was your name. Keep up the good work. I just read and appreciated your latest blog post. I know how you feel, and I'm not doing RUclips, Tindie, or publicizing any of my projects. I have ideas about doing videos on modifications to your clock, or a little thing I've done with some ESPs and LED matrices, but I feel I don't have the time. Let your family be your guide to how much time to spend on your projects. Enjoy the time with the girls while they still want you to. Kids grow up too fast. Speaking of kids, mine enjoyed the Pandamoniums you included with my Christmas order. I'm going to force them to sit down and actually solder them soon. It might be time to place another order soon. Sorry to add to you lack of time.
Thanks Jeremy! I think looking back at it I was overall a bit negative about tindie stuff, but if I felt like if I spent much time going over what I had written I might be tempted to take some parts of it out. I do really love seeing people enjoy the stuff, and tindie is a big proportion of my maker income , but the positives might not have come across in the blog post!
I'm interested in the ts80p, i just need to regularly resolder some new buttons on the pcb of some music gear i have. I'm the UK so would use a 3 prong plug. Would AC tip voltage still be induced?
Answer to the question about the ac voltage on Soldering Iron. The reason for it is the switched power supply. If the earth is not connected you have in the usual cases an isolated power supply with an SELV architecture. The most importand reason for the voltage is the parasitic capacitive coupling between the high potential side (AC) line and the secondary side through the power transformer construction. The capacitive coupling is beetween the high side winding and the low side winding and the thickness / construction of the isolation barrier. To minimize this voltages its possible to short this parasitic (leak ) current with a connection from the secondary ground side to earth, by this way you change your power supply from SELV to PELV architecture. For SELV arcitecture the maximum accepted leak current is in Europe defined in DINxxx ( i had read the DIN paper for long time, if i remember correct the leak current must be under 200µA). Assumed a parasitic voltage from 200 VAC -> if you have a correct designed power supply wit a maximum current of 200µA you can calculate the maximum grounding earth resistor. The calculated resistor should be smaller 1M. So as @The Embedded Artist write a resistor of 1 k will do the job. Because the grounding of the soldering Iron directly at the screw on soldering iron is uncomfortable, and the grounding also has a direct connection to the shield of USB C port on the soldering iron. Thatswhy you can also make the grounding with a direct connection from the shielding of USB C port at the power supply side. ( in the case that the shielding is connected on both ends of the USB C cable. ( can someone test it on the origin usb cable for ts80 / TS80p ?) I hope this little explanation helps to understand why an AC voltage can be measured at the soldering tip.
Are USB supplies with a proper earth pin common? Literally none of mine have one , including my Mac charger (it has a metal earth pin, but it's not connected to the actual PSU)
@@BrianLough for the mac power supply i can't say as i havent a MAC and no for normal usb power supply this don't exist as far as i know but you can earth it by a separat esd earthing power knob like this one.... www.digitalo.de/products/167834/BJZ-C-192-098-ESD-Erdungsstecker-inkl.-Erdungskabel-1.50m-Druckknopf-10.3mm.html?ref=11&CPC&Q60124 additional you need a connection from this "earth" connection to the usb shielding....www.ebay.de/itm/223961639022
Nice review. So that non standard tip you talk about, is it available for TS80? I looked but cannot find it. Seems fewer models of tips are available for TS80?
I put a 10K resistor to ground the tip of my Weller clone. this is enough to stop any voltage buildup on the tip reference to ground. but high enough to not cause too many issues if there is in residual power on the PCB when soldering. Still don't understand the requirement to run a soldering iron off of batteries, by the very nature of soldering your are consuming quite a lot of power. when sitting at my bench I have an endless amount of power in the wall sockets why use a battery? I must just be old school :) Been soldering for 46 years+ and the amount of time using a battery iron is probably less then 20 minutes. When away from the bench I use a gas powered iron, now this might be an improvement for that. so maybe it's time to hang up the gas cartridge.
@@BrianLough hey man, just letting you know I just got my i2s board today, you sent out on the 22nd, that's pretty fast. Now if only my esp32 that fits this board would show up from China (it was sent 2 months ago lmao)
That's great Patrick! I've seen some serious delays with some stuff so happy it got there so fast! I'm working on some pretty cool projects for it at the moment so hopefully I'll have them ready by the time it arrives!
What's the maximum voltage the circuits are rated to withstand? I wonder if compatibility with 15V and 20V supplies might be as simple as firmware to restrict the PWM at higher voltages. Also, on grounding the iron, a thin metal sleeve on the charger end would not get in the way. Probably would be good to put a resistor in line so when soldering batteries on a device that is connected to ground (e.g. as sometimes required when replacing backup batteries in some old test gear), the iron will not cause a short.
There is a video by Marco reps where he looked at a prototype of the original ts80 and "ts200" was written on the PCB. I guess the lower wattage made them to decide to keep the number smaller, but it is weird
Man either iron looks great but i dont really understand the power supply part? do you need to have a Type C cable and then can you use any USB plug - so therefore a power bank as in your tests... isnt there a default or standard power source for this iron ?
When they went for USB-C now, why not use the ts100 hardware and go with 60 Watts power (19V/3 Amps or whatever the new laptops and docking stations have at their usb-c input). Maaaaan. If you need "only 30W or lower" to stay on temp it will do so even if it can use 60W. (edit) ...For the AC voltage buildup over coupling you could also ground the usb shield directly at the supply to earth/ground. But there would be some testing needed because you usually dont want direct to earth but around 1M-Ohm for ESD protection. so no direct short but not too high resistance so the voltage builds up.
Weller have soldering irons that use them too. Soldering irons also don't work at full amps for long, they drop current draw significantly when heated up fully
@@BrianLough I was more concerned about someone plugging in the wrong thing, i.e. the soldering iron into a phone or music player, or headphones into the power supply. Might not end well.
@@AndyCallaway Well the output of a headphone jack on most device maxes out at 600mw, so plugging a tip into that is a non-issue. Someone plugged a set of headphones, and it made just a popping noise. I measured the DC resistance of them to be 1k ohm so that's 144 mW max at the iron's 12V (unless the irons output is less than 12V, I haven't measured). Also, its quite difficult to get headphones in there (I tried). What's the issue?
CIAO...MA PERCHE IN CERTI VIDEO PREMENDO A ALL INIZIO LEGGE IL TIPO DI PUNTA E SUL TUO VIDEO E SUL MIO TS80P LEGGE LA RESISTENZA? E PERCHE NN SI VEDONO I GRADI AMBIENTE DELLA PUNTA? FIRMWARE 1.30? E PERCHE DOPO UN PO CHE VA IN STANBY BISOGNA PREMERE ANCORA A E LA TEMPERATURA E PIU BASSA DELL IMPOSTAZIONE? GRAZIE MILLE
One last note on the video: No Custom Ralim firmware yet, the developer is working on it though.
I have not added mid-rolls to this video and have opted out of adding them to my channel in general, I'm curious though if that is something that is important to you?
RUclips Premium ftw
@@JonnyBergdahl Reward RUclips for bad behavior? Use Adblock and give to the creators instead.
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I support Brian monthly via Github sponsorship. The rest of you complaining about my YT Premium comment, how are you supporting Brian?
Thanks for that review. Well explained and tested. Will stick to my TS100 for now. Its nice to see they keep the product range updated
Hi Nigel
Hey Brian! Congrats on having your SAO Stand featured in HackSpace magazine. I saw it and though it looked like yours, and sure enough there was your name. Keep up the good work. I just read and appreciated your latest blog post. I know how you feel, and I'm not doing RUclips, Tindie, or publicizing any of my projects. I have ideas about doing videos on modifications to your clock, or a little thing I've done with some ESPs and LED matrices, but I feel I don't have the time. Let your family be your guide to how much time to spend on your projects. Enjoy the time with the girls while they still want you to. Kids grow up too fast. Speaking of kids, mine enjoyed the Pandamoniums you included with my Christmas order. I'm going to force them to sit down and actually solder them soon. It might be time to place another order soon. Sorry to add to you lack of time.
Thanks Jeremy! I think looking back at it I was overall a bit negative about tindie stuff, but if I felt like if I spent much time going over what I had written I might be tempted to take some parts of it out. I do really love seeing people enjoy the stuff, and tindie is a big proportion of my maker income , but the positives might not have come across in the blog post!
We definitely need to see much more of the Source and Sink puppets! Any chance they could have their own channel?
Great review! Thanks.
Thanks Robert! I had to give them back to my daughters so we'll have to see 😅
This review was really helpful. thank you for the video :D
I’m new to soldering and trying to decide what iron to purchase. I take it the element ends of the ts100 and the ts80p are not interchangeable.
Thanks I enjoyed you video. Very informative.
6:50 I really appreciate using puppets for this haha, I'll never forget this now
I'm interested in the ts80p, i just need to regularly resolder some new buttons on the pcb of some music gear i have. I'm the UK so would use a 3 prong plug. Would AC tip voltage still be induced?
Answer to the question about the ac voltage on Soldering Iron.
The reason for it is the switched power supply. If the earth is not connected you have in the usual cases an isolated power supply with an SELV architecture. The most importand reason for the voltage is the parasitic capacitive coupling between the high potential side (AC) line and the secondary side through the power transformer construction. The capacitive coupling is beetween the high side winding and the low side winding and the thickness / construction of the isolation barrier.
To minimize this voltages its possible to short this parasitic (leak ) current with a connection from the secondary ground side to earth, by this way you change your power supply from SELV to PELV architecture.
For SELV arcitecture the maximum accepted leak current is in Europe defined in DINxxx ( i had read the DIN paper for long time, if i remember correct the leak current must be under 200µA).
Assumed a parasitic voltage from 200 VAC -> if you have a correct designed power supply wit a maximum current of 200µA you can calculate the maximum grounding earth resistor.
The calculated resistor should be smaller 1M. So as @The Embedded Artist write a resistor of 1 k will do the job.
Because the grounding of the soldering Iron directly at the screw on soldering iron is uncomfortable, and the grounding also has a direct connection to the shield of USB C port on the soldering iron.
Thatswhy you can also make the grounding with a direct connection from the shielding of USB C port at the power supply side. ( in the case that the shielding is connected on both ends of the USB C cable.
( can someone test it on the origin usb cable for ts80 / TS80p ?)
I hope this little explanation helps to understand why an AC voltage can be measured at the soldering tip.
Are USB supplies with a proper earth pin common? Literally none of mine have one , including my Mac charger (it has a metal earth pin, but it's not connected to the actual PSU)
@@BrianLough for the mac power supply i can't say as i havent a MAC and no for normal usb power supply this don't exist as far as i know but you can earth it by a separat esd earthing power knob like this one....
www.digitalo.de/products/167834/BJZ-C-192-098-ESD-Erdungsstecker-inkl.-Erdungskabel-1.50m-Druckknopf-10.3mm.html?ref=11&CPC&Q60124
additional you need a connection from this "earth" connection to the usb shielding....www.ebay.de/itm/223961639022
Nice review. So that non standard tip you talk about, is it available for TS80? I looked but cannot find it.
Seems fewer models of tips are available for TS80?
I put a 10K resistor to ground the tip of my Weller clone. this is enough to stop any voltage buildup on the tip reference to ground. but high enough to not cause too many issues if there is in residual power on the PCB when soldering.
Still don't understand the requirement to run a soldering iron off of batteries, by the very nature of soldering your are consuming quite a lot of power. when sitting at my bench I have an endless amount of power in the wall sockets why use a battery? I must just be old school :) Been soldering for 46 years+ and the amount of time using a battery iron is probably less then 20 minutes.
When away from the bench I use a gas powered iron, now this might be an improvement for that. so maybe it's time to hang up the gas cartridge.
Thank you! All the info has been great as very little has been supplied in the box. Like if one should use the ground clip😅 Thank you👍🏼🙌🏻
Hi
Does any shop sell the replacement tips cheaper for the ts80 soldering iron 🤔
Non esiste più economiche..nn ci sono cloni...
Absolutely going to get this
I cannot find it in my manual - is there a way how to power off the TS80P?
If you had no soldering iron at all, which one would you buy? Or would it be some other model/brand?
I think I'd probably go for the ts100 just cause I don't think the difference is worth the price difference, but I'm cheap though 😅
@@BrianLough hey man, just letting you know I just got my i2s board today, you sent out on the 22nd, that's pretty fast. Now if only my esp32 that fits this board would show up from China (it was sent 2 months ago lmao)
That's great Patrick! I've seen some serious delays with some stuff so happy it got there so fast!
I'm working on some pretty cool projects for it at the moment so hopefully I'll have them ready by the time it arrives!
A thorough and honest review. Well done sir!
What's the maximum voltage the circuits are rated to withstand? I wonder if compatibility with 15V and 20V supplies might be as simple as firmware to restrict the PWM at higher voltages.
Also, on grounding the iron, a thin metal sleeve on the charger end would not get in the way. Probably would be good to put a resistor in line so when soldering batteries on a device that is connected to ground (e.g. as sometimes required when replacing backup batteries in some old test gear), the iron will not cause a short.
The naming scheme on these irons is bizarre; I would expect the TS_100 to be the bigger brother of the TS_80- not the other way around.
There is a video by Marco reps where he looked at a prototype of the original ts80 and "ts200" was written on the PCB. I guess the lower wattage made them to decide to keep the number smaller, but it is weird
Ordered me one, thank you for the video.
Great! I hope you like it!
Man either iron looks great but i dont really understand the power supply part? do you need to have a Type C cable and then can you use any USB plug - so therefore a power bank as in your tests... isnt there a default or standard power source for this iron ?
The ts80p supports either QC chargers or USB-C Pd ones. A regular 5v usb charger will not work
Can't wait to get my hands on a flexy friend
Still waiting on the final revision of the board. The one shown works fine but does not have any ESD protection
I hope miniware makes a 20V version
Thank you! It's in the plan.
When they went for USB-C now, why not use the ts100 hardware and go with 60 Watts power (19V/3 Amps or whatever the new laptops and docking stations have at their usb-c input).
Maaaaan. If you need "only 30W or lower" to stay on temp it will do so even if it can use 60W.
(edit)
...For the AC voltage buildup over coupling you could also ground the usb shield directly at the supply to earth/ground.
But there would be some testing needed because you usually dont want direct to earth but around 1M-Ohm for ESD protection. so no direct short but not too high resistance so the voltage builds up.
How do you turn this thing off?
I plug it out :)
More Sock Puppet Demos, please! How's the new house working out?
Good review! Thanks for taking the time to do it. Tell your daughter I liked the video anyway ;)
Thanks! She's not happy about it, You've made a enemy for life....
@@BrianLough The list keeps growing!
I'm a bit concerned about the fact that it uses a 3.5mm jack.
Weller have soldering irons that use them too. Soldering irons also don't work at full amps for long, they drop current draw significantly when heated up fully
@@BrianLough I was more concerned about someone plugging in the wrong thing, i.e. the soldering iron into a phone or music player, or headphones into the power supply. Might not end well.
@@AndyCallaway Well the output of a headphone jack on most device maxes out at 600mw, so plugging a tip into that is a non-issue. Someone plugged a set of headphones, and it made just a popping noise. I measured the DC resistance of them to be 1k ohm so that's 144 mW max at the iron's 12V (unless the irons output is less than 12V, I haven't measured). Also, its quite difficult to get headphones in there (I tried). What's the issue?
that ac volt concerns me lol
It will likely break down quickly once there is even a high resistance path to ground. But it's certainly less than ideal.
CIAO...MA PERCHE IN CERTI VIDEO PREMENDO A ALL INIZIO LEGGE IL TIPO DI PUNTA E SUL TUO VIDEO E SUL MIO TS80P LEGGE LA RESISTENZA? E PERCHE NN SI VEDONO I GRADI AMBIENTE DELLA PUNTA? FIRMWARE 1.30? E PERCHE DOPO UN PO CHE VA IN STANBY BISOGNA PREMERE ANCORA A E LA TEMPERATURA E PIU BASSA DELL IMPOSTAZIONE? GRAZIE MILLE
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