You know how in the original game Aya apologizes to the dog before dissecting it? She's not doing that because she feels bad about it. Her father told her to say sorry to the things she hurts.
Basically "killing is okay, as long as you value life, killing for fun is wrong". Also the new True Ending confirms that yes, Aya kills people. But gives her victims anesthesia unlike her dad.
you’d think someone who can do the same scientific studies as her father, become a doctor, can preform anesthetics on a person... Would know better to not eat a random apple
I like how there’s certain details like Aya no longer cares about sticking her hand in the toilet and just picks up bare handed, she’s less phased about the horrors of the mansion, it’s kinda nice in a details way. The ghosts in the mansion being a little more malicious towards her is kind of a nice detail as well, like the girl who steals the perfume refuses to show herself before Aya once more and calls her murderer, there are more dolls/ghosts attempting to hurt her (like the stairs girl). Edit: Manly misses some minor things, 1. If you go to the stairwell where you pick up a gem thrown down the stairs with the two zombies that chase you, Jean’s ghost sits on one of the couches before disappearing 2. If you open the door again after getting mom’s perfume, the doll peeks at you again and laughs
The person who wrote Murderer is Jean, seeing as she's the one that knocks Aya out. Ines is just a phantom of the events that had happened previously like Robin/Dio at the beginning.
I'm thinking Aya blames herself a little because she knows is doing the same things as her father. But she can't be helped at the end, that's why that cinematic with the girl
@@dianasofia7315 No, that cinematic is literally Jean's ghost, not a manifestation of her guilt. It's important to know that the cutscene still with Jean is called 'Reluctance', but Aya shows no reluctance in what she did to Jean. That means that it's referring to Jean herself being reluctant to kill Aya, most likely because even if she did die, Aya made it as painless as possible, compared to her father who just decides "Yeah I'm gonna hack your limbs off with my chainsaw.", and that twisted kindness makes Jean reluctant to kill Aya.
Old Aya just casually walking past the first enemy encounters like, "Oh right, they exist. Sorry, I have important things to do." And just goes into her room like nothing happened
I love how when the father started chasing adult Aya there was no screaming or freaking out, she just seemed to have this whole 'welp, here we go again' attitude 😂
@@pheenixgryphon7857 I like how BLOOD mode is more of like a tongue and cheek thing; while regular mode is pretty spoopy. honestly Mad father has some great moments to calm down to for a game all about snoopy ghosts.
My personal wish for a sequel would be "Mad Daughter" where you play Ayas daughter in what is a structual ripoff of the first game at first glance, but it subverts the usual sequel-trap of "The same except bigger" by doing it for a reason, in that the plottwist is that the daughter is the evil one and the reason why aya was the victim of the new curse is that the brutally murdered people could not remember who took them down and the peacefully put down people assumed she was behind it. With the game ending with a rolereversal of "the third time Aya is running for her life because familymember wants to kill her dead".
So for those who wonder why Dio/Robin doesn't appear in Blood Mode: Do you know the achievement icon for completing If Mode, where Dio/Robin says he'd stop Aya if she'd become like her father? *An apple* "Aya's Future" He DID say he'd try now, didn't he?
@@airbutcooler5753 Thank you! You see, the more I thought about it, the more appropriate it felt in my eyes to have an implication rather than a direct confrontation (as many were expecting). Because stories don't have the obligation to give you all the details on a silver plate. Sometimes, an air of mystery and/or subtlety is all they need. Besides, Dio/Robin did say that it was best not to reveal the fact he was actually alive, so that implies he wants to stay hidden.
Adult Aya still remembering the enemies and not caring about the first enemy encounter is pretty funny. I love that she wanted to actually get to know the boy, too, because he definitely deserved better. Not a bad remake, really. Actually changed the game slightly. Interesting that the mother, Monika, did what she did with the family history. It would be interesting to have a Bioshock-like moment where you see Dio/Robin following without being seen. Could know the other victims of the father better.
They both care as much towards her, in my opinion, just that the father wanted Aya to be clean and pure, unlike his dirtiness. Whereas the mother loved that insanity and wanted her daughter to be like him as well.
The scene at 19:04 basically proves that Aya is following her father's footsteps. It is sad, really. After all she saw her father's suffering patients as a kid, she is continuing it anyway. The Drevis family is cursed indeed.
Yep, if the original Mad Father epilogue wasn’t enough, this remake seals the deal. Especially following the blonde kid, he’s destined to stop her most likely.
I was hoping "if" would've made some positive progress. Like Aya realising that both of her parents were shit and slowly understanding that she is becoming more and more like them
Yeah, its my biggest complaint about this game. I think the better ending should have been her, as a child, obviously having no remorse for murdering animals, and making it very obvious she is just like her father, but experiencing everything through the victims like she had been, slowly changes her and ends the "curse". Like, I don't understand the thought process on her part to continue to want to do her father's research. Maybe that's why it irritates me so much, because I don't understand the thought process.
I think what happened was that psychopathy ran through the family, which would explain Aya's behaviour. Her growing up that way could also be attributed to delayed imitation, and her parents didn't seem to want to watch her suffer. On the other hand, I think the Drevis family was closer to a cult. Considering what that man mumbled to himself, and how he was referring to Monika. It could be that Monika's family was closer to looking into the supernatural, demons and curses, which could explain how the mother was able to pull off the events from when Aya was a child. The mother wanted Aya to grow up and inherit the family name, letting the father do these experiments because it was a way to deal with "sacrifices" without actually having to dirty her hands. On the other hand, her father would have the psychopathy or other mental illness, but he still loved his daughter. After he learns about her inheriting his illness, and knowing about what the mother's family is involved in, he didn't want his innocent daughter to be "dirtied" by whatever cult thing is happening. As a result, he wanted to turn her into a doll to stop Aya from growing up. This clashed with the mother's ideals, and the two of them fought. It's just what I think, though. Both parents still loved their daughter and wanted the best for her, but they went about it in different, extreme ways, with terrible outcomes either way.
What was also probably a thing is that Monika's family started the doll creating thing, not the dad - but it probably fitted the dad's addiction of seeing dead people's faces
@@alyssakelley4995 So basically THIS happened Alfred: You’re so cute. I’ll enjoy this more than you know *Raises knife* Monika: Oh God YES! Alfred: …Im sorry WHAT?! And then they got hitched!
The old versions had some strong implications, but now there is absolutely no doubt: Aya's mother is just as evil as her father. Monika and Alfred, a perfect couple in the worst way. I'm honestly torn on which parent is worse, the father who would kill his daughter to keep her "innocent" or the mother who wants her daughter to become a monster. They're both such horrible, twisted versions of love. Makes it all the more tragic, really. I like Blood Mode for the added story, but I do wish its puzzles had been changed. I can't help but compare it to Witch's House's Extra Mode that revealed some new lore but also mixed up some puzzles; yes, they all more or less worked the same but you had some added steps or the answers were new. Blood Mode is by no means bad, but it does feel like the weakest part of this remake. I'm extremely confident that Manly is correct, that Dio's confrontation with Aya is being saved for another game. IF Mode sets it up too much for it never to happen, and we might actually learn his name in that game (though at this point I'd be thrown off by anything other than Dio). I'm unsure how much if at all it'll connect to Misao, that probably depends of if Misao gets a remake on this level.
@@braystar8578 I think the OP knows this - its just that if in the game it gets addressed it will feel...awkward. Since we're all use to him being Dio and not Robin.
@@amelianekomimi1936 Even if OP knows this, I think it's still important to let people know of this. It's so prevalent that even the Steam update announcing the remake calls him Dio.
one thing i never would have thought is that the dad who literally turned people into dolls, and wanted to turn his daughter into a doll, is a better parent then the mother yeesh
Legit it would be nice to see a anime come of this old classic, however. At the same time knowing how easily an anime can screw up it's titles I'm also very scared.
7:45 It’s interesting to note that her dad, who seems like a typical sociopath with a characteristic lack of empathy, is attempting to discourage her from torturing animals by appealing to her non-existent sense of empathy. This scene suggests that he either might have harbored some repressed guilt over his actions or that he might have learned about the concept of empathy from his mother, who may not have been a sociopath. It’s also been established that he loved his daughter enough to deter her from turning out like him, so he might not have been a true sociopath, but he was still a deranged idiot to think that dismembering people in his basement and attempting to saw his own daughter apart would set a good example for her.
@@AnakhaSilver I feel like the part of him killing his mother and stating that her life-less face is beautiful is enough proof he's either sociopath or psychopath. I don't think he really wanted Aya to be empathetic towards animals for a good cause. In my interpretation, it was mostly to keep her "pure and innocent" image in his mind, as he was clearly obsessed with her staying young, innocent and uncorrupted (before he tries to turn her into a doll).
when I was younger I thought the kiss was so romantic, now that I'm older and have a better understanding of this game, this whole family and even Maria disgust me. they all were guilty in some compacity to aiding the death of innocent people.
True. When I was younger, I thought only the father was the crazy one. Rewatching it now that I'm older, I realized holy shit every one in this household is a damn psycho
Zombie ghost maids: "*Shambling Menacingly Towards Aya*" Adult Aya: "It was scarier when I was like 10 you guys" Aya is an absolute Chad of a blossoming serial killer nowadays despite having to relive what is perhaps the worst night of her life and being slightly less vulnerable to all the things trying to kill her. It's also neat how she simply dodges enemies in some QTEs and uses her larger size and weight to move that barrel towards the end.
aya as a character is really interesting in my opinion. she strays further from the stereotype of a sociopath and appears, for the most part, normal to other people. she adopted her mother's ability to appeal to others and calm them with her presence. psychopaths are functioning human beings on the surface like everyone else. they don't have a "look" to them. and that's probably what's so eerie about aya now.
@@suleyman9199 There could be a few actually! Impure Doll, Mother's daughter( imho it would be better than Father's daughter because Aya became the way she was due to her mother's influence ), Mad Daughter, Mad Father; the tale of the mad daughter, The Fruit of Our Madness ect. Basically other creative people could come up with more clever one than I . ㆁωㆁ
@@tainii-san5879 It's good but if only the Film settings would be like when it was released as a game in 2012 like it felt like how we we're in 2012, I want newer or younger people to go like, " So this is Mad Father. " or so, and the OG people or those who knew this and other RPG games as their 'youth, times enjoying their Movie Dose Of Nostalgia (eyy) or so. Another thing is that I want Little Children who we we're once too to see the Film Adaptation of a 2012 game setting and prepare for Surprise UwU. Remember Sausage Party? That kinda the thing I want. Lure anyone and I mean ANYONE in to stage of surprise.
@@suleyman9199 Personally I would like to see the film take place during the beginning or during the end of Aya's madness. Showing us the moment Aya took her first victim or showing her and Dio having a one last stand,as no matter how hard he worked to protect her he said that if she were to become like Alfred he would step in. With the 3D animated foods or? Honestly while it would be nice to see an animated rendition of the story I think that something great could be made with a collaboration with Mad Father's developer, giving us another perspective or point in time so that it's not just an animated version of the game, frame by frame.
After thinking about it, I don't believe that Aya's murdering patients randomly just because her mother groomed her into a serial killer This is all speculation on my part but what if the book or diary that she found as she was escaping the mansion contained all the research of the Drevis family? And as far as we have been shown, the Drevis family was researching something about cloning unless that was all his father's work although I doubt that since the mother's memories confirm that they were researching and doing shady stuff since before the father came If the book has all that data and the research was about cloning, what if that's how Aya is "curing" people? Just like her dad did with Snowball, she put them in a tube, make a new person and sets them free, the ill one gets killed to remove the evidence This is because unlike her father who killed random nobodies on the street that nobody wants or cares about, Aya has targeted a woman who has a family, she said she was poor and lived in a small village but she did say she had people who cared for her Also her clinic is known by some since the woman was directed there by somebody Since people usually question patients disappearing after going to a clinic, maybe Aya is just making clones of her "patients" to remove suspicion and at the same time she still believes she's helping them because she's a sociopath But then again we never find out what was in that book so this is just a theory of mine
A little late, but if it helps, that book was a collection of Anatomical Tables. It's titled 'Anatomische Tabellen', which is just German for Anatomical Tables. Aya also says, "It's full of gross pictures." which backs that up even more. You can see Aya comment on the book at around 8:25 of Part 2 in this series. ruclips.net/video/JKSLHixrZh8/видео.html So basically, the book's just a bunch of graphic, nasty pictures of human anatomy that Aya's father probably used in his research.
But it said in the Blood Mode (25:05) that the Drevis research was about eternal beauty, not about cloning. That’s also the reason why Monika married this particular serial killer too, he had this thing with post mortem beauty that led the experiments and previous research towards the making of dolls out of people. This is why the doctor just took some parts of the subjects, because those were the “pretty” parts (the eyes of the crying blonde girl at the beggining of the game, the hands of the woman in the looping passage, etc.). Aya seems to be doing the same thing: she points out how beautiful the eyes of her patient are, and later in the game we can see how the ghost of the girl haunts Aya and her eyes are missing. Since the clinic is hidden in the middle of nowhere and only poor and sick people go there, Aya can say that her patients never made it to the clinic, implying that they got lost, or that they made it but died during the treatment. And for the rabbit part, I don’t think those were clones. Aya’s father also took parts of animals for his experiments. Probably he replaced snowball for one of his unused subjects
>Father was like "oh no I better stop this' which doesn't make much sense Actually it makes sense but only if you look at it from the Father's point of view. To the Father, killing his subjects was merely a means to an end, that end was preserving beauty, given that the only alignment between the Mother and the Father was 'Preservation' and even that was paper thin. Aya growing up to be nothing more than someone who kills arbitrarily was something 'Dirty' to the Father and his daughter is something, that while 'innocent', was a very beautiful thing which he wanted to preserve by turning her into a doll which interfered with the Mother's goal which was for Aya to turn out like her/continue the Drevis Family....whatever they were doing.
@@JustPlayinYT I think the mother is worse then the father cause she manipulated him and I also read that father tried to turn her into a doll to prevent her from becoming him The real question is Will Aya end up more like her father or more like her mother, and is she worse then them or better then them
The blood mode might make Aya believe that "Robin" Aka Dio is alive. During that dungeon where Monika said that he is not yet ready to go to the other world. So there is a chance that Aya anticipates that she will meet him someday.
I thought that scene was supposed to be around the time when Robin/Dio was sent out by the mother to keep Aya safe. Since Aya does not know that he is just a normal guy with one less eye, all it would do would explain why he seemed less ghostly. He just never crossed the border to the other world until the curse was gone.
I want to think Aya has at least affected by the incident of the house in some way. But the "They're all psychooooo~" explanation really hurts me in some level as I love Aya's character. I think Aya displayed greater compassion than that of her mother and father. She's always thankful to people helping her, she treasures her bond with Maria, and I'd like to think she's more subtle in her madness. It's not unhinged like her father and mother. I don't know why but I really do like this character. And I hope she'd choose a path that cause less pain to others and herself.
Honestly, Aya might have turned out relatively okay if her mother hadn't groomed her to be like her father. Even if you look at actual people with antisocial personality disorder today, they can turn out to be well-adjusted individuals if they're taught properly. And it does seem like her father was trying his best to raise her to be better than him
Yeah, but no matter what path she chooses, she still killed/kills innocent ppl, her fate is lowkey sealed. The whole family is just psycho, and she was raised into it unfortunately. Imo, she’s kind of like her dad in a way. She kills her “patients” and apologizes in a fake empathetic sort of manner. And she rests her sense of moral by just remembering said patient, because Dio told her to remember him and the other corpses from the mansion and how they suffered. In a way, Aya thinks she’s helping ppl but in a twisted manner. And besides, there would be a .000000000001% chance for her to walk out somewhat normal. I mean she had a dad who killed and stuffed bodies in basements and treated them like dolls and whatnot, a mother who was tumblur fangirl obsessing over serial killers and was raised in a whole cult family that enables human sacrifices; not to mention laid out various things so her daughter can become a killer, and a maid that’s also obsessed with Aya’s father and aids in his “experiments,” without batting an eyelash. I also hoped for a better ending for Aya, but that poor girl was doomed from the very start. It’s like a generational curse that cannot be broken, unless someone in their family line in the near future can break it.
I do agree that Aya is way more complex than "crazy pretty lady." I feel as though with the right push (from Dio most likely in a "Mad Father 2"?) she could start to align more with more normal principles. At the end of Blood Mode she does seem to realize a bit that what she's does is wrong, and regretfully so. It would be a shame for her to completely succumb to the nature of her childhood surroundings instead of there being at least some growth, especially with Dio alive.
Adult Aya is so matured now ohmygodd The way she does things, her reactions and just everything she says feels so satisfying, seeing her as an adult with a rational mind and being less scared is such a breath of fresh air. I thought she would be an absolute psycho character with creepy laughs and crazy eyes, but she's just so calm (too calm maybe, she didn't react much with Jean's ghost and the poisoned apple but I digress)
It's funny to still see people on the fence about Aya becoming like her father even though it's been implied multiple times during the post-game. It just goes to show how much of an innocent and adorable character she was portrayed.
So... the "Aya is just like her father" theory is practically confirmed at this point? Huh, I wonder if we're going to get a "Mad Daughter" where we play as Robin (or Dio) trying to stop her.
I think so too, but she curves off a slightly different path. The father wanted to keep his experiments eternally beautiful, whereas she killed ill patients who could not be cured to end their suffering.
Honestly I wished they hadn’t updated the talking sprites at all. The lines are so scratchy and the eyes are off (like Aya’s). The original art was better; I don’t know why the creator regressed like that every time he updated the art.
Yes in the 2016 remake, they went into detail with notes about Monika Drevis [2nd playthru] - it was essentially her being yandere over him and how much she needed him in her life. The whole aunt and grandfather thing is new. I'm sad they scrapped the love letters - because it slowly goes through from meeting him, living with him and then her rage at allowing Maria to 'freeload' in their home.
17:01 In plots like these, the line in the sand is, "Wait, you wanna do the gruesome murdering thing to our kid? *Other* kids are fine to dissect, but not *our* kid!"
I just watched the entire thing in one sitting again- and THEN THIS COMES OUT IT COULDNT BE EVEN MORE PERFECT LETS GOOOOO Edit: Yeah, the mom did start caring after the whole "MAria" thing. Although I do think her breaking point was the part where she found out the dad was gonna make Aya into a doll too. That aside, yeah, everyone in this game is kinda coo coo in the noggin.
Man I was hoping at least one of the members of the family wasn't trash. It seems wife, husband and daughter should all go out windows, (Like I knew she was fine with the experiments she clearly knew I figured she was powerless to stop him cause well he had weapons but it runs in the blood of this awful family. Ugh UGH! The only good person is the blonde boy dio kid!
Wait wait, there was debate about Aya murdering people? Even after she was like "my what beautiful eyes you have, I'm almost getting lost in them." And the "don't worry you wont have to suffer ever again." And then after saying something so ominous it pans to Maria saddened saying "you very much are like your father." ??? I mean from that I would literally assume she was murdering people; No one ever in these games says "you'll never have to suffer again." and means well.
I like how they still left it ambiguous as to whether Aya is a murderer or not. All the scenes with Jean could be interpreted as Aya having killed her or simply failing to save her from her illness
Considering her eyes are missing when Aya remembers her and Aya saying she'll never suffer again I'm pretty sure it's not ambiguous. It's clear as Maria said she's very much like her father.
No Aya killed her. Aya called Jeans eyes beautiful, followed up by a scene where she is holding a doll in her hands. She took jeans eyes and used them for her doll to preserve it
i don’t think aya took jean’s eyes; the still where jean sneaks up behind aya is highly likely to just be an artistic decision to make jean’s spirit more ominous and malicious, considering that aya’s last encounter with jean ends with her crying with eyes still intact. it’s likely that what maria meant by aya being like her father is that she’s a doctor that deceives people to kill them, but not the aspect where she turns them into dolls. if you consider the promise she made to dio to remember her father’s victims it’s likely that her main takeaway from that night at the mansion was that turning into dolls was bad, and never the actual act of murder
17:10 correction she always knew he was sleeping with the assistant she only start caring that he was turning people into dolls when she overheard him say he's going to turn their daughter into it doll
I think I remember Mother's lore which means she was previously a victim of Father but developed severe stockholme syndrome. And she inherited and owns the mansion? I don't remember entirely.
*SUPER SPOILER ALERT* The mother grew in a family that actually held a sacrificial cult who seeks eternal beauty by sacrificing poor/abandoned young people. The aunt was supposed to be the heir but she didn't want to continue the sacrificing people act and thus she was persecuted by the grandfather, in the end she committed suicide and Monika (the mother of Aya) was the one who inherited the riches and mansion of the Drevis family. The act of the aunt was the thing that caused the Drevis mansion to downgraded to the one we currently know. And in this remake, we know that Monika isn't as innocent and benevolent as what people thought. In the childhood days she would send letters to 100 prisoners to know how they killed -- and she mingled with problematic and mentally ill people. She was supposed to be killed by Alfred Drevis but she fell in love with him since she felt the thriller and sensation of having a near death experience -- kinda like Stockholm syndrome. When she and Alfred had Aya as their daughter, she was the one who encouraged Aya to hurt animals and play with chainsaw so basically it was Monika who made Aya an sociopath since Monika stated that Aya will be a fine Drevis heir had Alfred and her died.
I remember that, she was almost killed by Father, though I'm not sure how she survived. But that incident made her 'fall in love' because her heart was beating so fast, and she invited Father to her mansion. Her madness was hinted in that moment. I now remember that Father's name is Alfred(?)
Not really Stockholm Syndrome since she wasn't captured by the father nor ever actually abused - he also didn't try to turn her into an obedient person or wanted to keep her alive He wanted to kill her and we saw with the little lore bits, she was insane to begin with, raised by a cult where murder was natural. Even in the older version, the second playthrough shows hints to her insanity in diary entries, that she wanted Aya to turn out the same way Edit: not every situation involves Stockholm Syndrome, since it's definition is completely different from what people expect and think - same goes for many other mental disorders They are often misrepresented in media or easy misunderstood
What if the “old lady” in the black coat was Ogre he somehow knew she ate the apple and maybe he wanted her to back to back to the past and learn a lesson from it. I have no idea. Just an idea I have/theory.
Hey new lore! I like the added information of Monika’s own madness and how Aya’s birth and the preserving beauty beliefs went back to HER. I think that’s why the mom let the father continue his experiments. Though I am curious who’s the blonde girl Aya is holding in the title screen. It’s most likely a doll I think? Unlikely theory, but maybe she meets Dio again, they have a kid (blonde hair), and the cycle starts all over again with the Drevis curse and the madness.
It would be awesome. Especially the idea of possible conflict since you know the blonde guy said he would try to stop Aya if she were to follow her dad’s footsteps, which she does.
I‘m pretty sure the doll is one of the dolls from the true end where Adult Aya walked up to the multiple dolls and said that she remembered them (them being the victims of the father n such). That or I suck at remembering things
I think it would be interesting if that doll is Dio's dead sister. He looks like Dio, because she's blond as well. I dunno i might just be jumping to conclusions.
This raises some more questions. Who created this "new space?" Was it Jean? Also, who gave Aya the apple in the first place? I have a feeling that, in the future, there will be a sequel to this game, or perhaps an update to the Misao remake with a new mode.
Doubtful that it would be Jean’s mom, but Jean did mention some old kind lady gave her a ride for a good portion of the journey. Could be her, though likely only if there’s more to her than we know.
@@NekoRyuukiChan I thought it was implied in the end of the original, that the old lady that gave Jean a ride halfway was Maria, specifically because she mentions hearing horses and saying "they must be close" that would also be a very Maria thing to do
@@lucasmcinnis5045 omg that's what I thought, too. So I guess the old lady with the apple and the one who offered Jean a ride are two different people (assuming the one who gave her a ride secretly was Maria).
@@nukesakuji it's two different people. Aya mentioned that the old lady in black hood who gave her the poison apple was a god of death while the one who gave Jean a ride was actually Maria. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
PeTItiOn fOR MaD FaThEr 2 Mad Father 2 or any sequel has a great potential considering they already developed and tied Aya’s personality and story given that Dio/Robin will now be the protagonist that will “stop” the madness for good. I guess it will now delve deeper into the consequence for making Aya like this with the Drevis family history. I do hope it’s not the end of the journey because them being adults/matured/older creates a wider ‘effect’ problems and plot rather than exploring the ‘cause’. And that ogre better be involved in yet another game to happen and be the connection between these games, like in Misao where Aya is presumably the nameless librarian or a clone her father has successfully experimented with. I just wish Ib gets something like remake or another ending where they could be together or something
What a curse family... Now the matching room kinda make sense to me. It was a part of the mother's family "sacrifice" ceremony. The mother was peeking from the pole as a young child and watching the bloody scene lol
wow I really love how deep this game is. you'll first think that aya dad is the evil one and her mom is the innocent but she's just as crazy as him. in some ways he wanted to help aya and I do believe he loved her and didn't want her to become messed up like him, but killing her and turning her into a doll wasn't right. its seem aya mom was into insane people and maybe that's why she wanted aya to become like him to continue the family work
Wow, there's some pretty sad implications concerning the mom if she really was raising Aya to be a killer. The confrontation that ended the mom's life and the curse might not have been done out of love for Aya so much as wanting to preserve her family's lineage; she knew if her husband killed Aya and turned her into a doll, no one would be able to continue the lineage... and in the end, the mom succeeded in keeping Aya alive to follow in her father's footsteps and (maybe?) continue the Drevis family research.
Oh yess i was hoping there would be continuation to her adult life. After years waiting. I hope someone do the sequel for witch's house too. The real ending is so tragic. Kinda hoping the father realizes that is not her actual daughter and get revenge or something
I kind of hoped/expected the person in the cloak was "Dio" since he said he'd stop her if she became like her father. A shame they didn't bring that into the mini sequal part
Btw I like to think that in the last title screen, the little blond girl, could be Aya's Daughter. But also Robin's, as he's blond too. So who knows, maybe in the future they met again, Robin hid is real identity, married her, had a daughter with her and maybe convinced her to stop killing random too? I hope so, that would be so cute! But that's just a theory
I was kinda expecting that doll in A!Aya’s arms in the titlescreen to show it having Jean’s eyes but I guess we won’t know. Sad that we don’t get much more of Jean after she tells Aya she wanted me a doctor too in her “dream” But Blood Mode is cool! I like the extra lore with the mom! Looking forward to seeing more content from you Manly!
Seeing as being a serial killer is a thing on both sides of the family, it's no wonder Aya would more or less turn out to be one as well. Also, seeing adult Aya being so calm after all that is quite chilling.
Having the mother’s family play a part in making the dolls also explains how there is so many of them, some of them could have been victims before Aya’s father took over the experiments
y'know, even though he's completely insane and kills kids to make em into dolls, I prefer the father over the mum. like, they're both equally twisted but ig I just like the dad better since he doesn't encourage Aya to be like him. But the mum... yikes man.
@@phantompop3192 the one where her father is now, in a game he appears as the mad doctor or something. Idk, it's been a long time since i saw the game play, just remember a bunch a high school kids and a corpse obsessed supposedly hot teacher??
So.. basically, her mother is twisted and scary even she was alive, brainwashing her husband to do experiments for her and planning for her to continue the legacy of their family with Aya.
Manly missed the other half of the letter, but it basically says that Monika fell in love with Alfred after he tried to kill her (that's how they met) and gave him a map to the mansion. A woman researching eternal beauty and a man obsessed with dead faces = Dead faces with bodies as if they were alive aka Dolls.
Maria: Aya, no. Aya: AYA YES Jokes aside, she does seem to really have a death wish. Maria points out it's a bad idea and that's immediately when the apple becomes irresistible, not anytime between receiving the "gift" and coming inside. And in the end, it's her connection to Maria that convinces her to come back and see things through to the end, even though she knows she needs to pay the piper. Adult Aya isn't surprised by the things she reads about her mother any more than Child Aya was surprised about her father: "Mother understands Father's research better than anyone [else]!" Aya has always been aware her mother is a serial killer fetishist, and that being part of her normal is part of why she can march through all those corpses and still honestly say she loves both of her parents. Of course, the added detail about her apologies to the animals adds to her creepy child points: she apologizes to the dead she comes across in her bid to save her father, but she doesn't fundamentally see the flaw in the behavior. She thinks the apology itself is necessary correction, so laying the corpses to rest and memorializing them fully satisfies Child Aya's sense of morality. Adult Aya is aware this is flawed (tied to her suicidal ideation), and even that her behavior is what her father had been trying to correct. Her new conclusions are still flawed and she may still be suffering survivor's guilt, but she idolized her father and recreating his work may be her own effort to memorialize him as well. Warning: plausible interpretation ahead in a vein I personally despise but will point out since it's a possibility. Oni could in some ways be considered a surrogate for Sen, or, on some level, the audience: we're here gathering fucked up people and the paragons who oppose them. The more fucked up, the better. It's a genre with roots in Corpse Party with highlight hits with Ib, Off, Witch's House, Close Your Eyes, Hello Charlotte -- even the cuter or meme games are sinister. Misao is a love letter to Corpse Party start to finish, while Blank Dream is a journey through suicide. The Strange Men series may have relatively normal protags, but they're named for their screwed up antagonists. It's a genre fraught with every horror the makers can think up, safe behind the pixel graphics. Even One-Shot has sinister elements. Dreaming Mary could be considered to have a "happy" ending, but that's only after knowing the horror the protag has been through. Even Cute Girls Doing Cute Things: the RPG aka The Gray Garden is fraught with the darkness of the okegom universe creeping at the edges. And we eat it all up. We just adore foolish humans, after all.
I feel strange about my girl Aya getting a happy ending here. (Coarse I know what happens in the secret ending so she eventually gets what’s coming to her.) but man I get so bummed thinking about this game. I wanted to believe Aya would transcend her family’s horrible nature, but I guess the bird didn’t fly too far away from the nest. When I seen the ending the first time I was so happy cause Aya finally had peace, then I realized what was really going on. I was so frustrated, but also thought it was a great ending so I was super mixed. Overall I wouldn’t change the ending because the shock is so powerful but man is it still upsetting seeing the girl I rooted for turn a new leaf for the worst.
@@lpfan4491 Which is strange because Robin, despite looking more like Dio, has powers more similar to Killer Queen (fire). Aya, being a killer and (in some forms of the word) a queen, seems to be able to slow down time to avoid danger (not really :P). The real question is WHAT HAPPENED TO KARASU/CROW?
Even tho the game tries to make the QTEs reasonable(Which does not even work, it just makes the enemies look incompetent), I personally see it more like reverting time entirely. The onehit killer-dolls do not give chase and the chandelier just kinda respawns...because yes.
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Also it should be noted the Remake confirms "Dio"s name is Robin.
Nice I can stop associating him with Dio Brando now
suddenly i cannot read
OHHHHHHHH
he's still Dio
Then who is batman?
You know how in the original game Aya apologizes to the dog before dissecting it?
She's not doing that because she feels bad about it. Her father told her to say sorry to the things she hurts.
That says a lot hhh
i- oh- um
Basically "killing is okay, as long as you value life, killing for fun is wrong".
Also the new True Ending confirms that yes, Aya kills people. But gives her victims anesthesia unlike her dad.
Oh. Oh dang.
right in the kokoro
I love how he's still traumatized by the two bears from the witch's house
Context?
@@bigboss-zv9bf He was traumatized by a bear in his childhood.
Lol, that bear do indeed is very scary
Who wouldnt be honestly(ಥ﹏ಥ)
His first playthrough of witches house... The most realistic scream I heard from him back then. Must be 6-7 years ago now.
you’d think someone who can do the same scientific studies as her father, become a doctor, can preform anesthetics on a person... Would know better to not eat a random apple
maybe it was a regular apple and because she was a doctor it shoved her into the other realm
Curiosity kills the cat. It's something she and her father shared, and is probably more prominent in her than in her father.
Well i mean...
"An apple a day keeps the doctor away"
@@ChronoMoth you fucking genius come here
Bit of a smooth brain moment
Maria: Do not put such a thing in your mouth!
Aya: Nom.Nom.
was was try to comment this ahhh damn... :3
When you gonna live a good life but you decide to do something stupid anyways.
Reminds me of that vine
Maria: Let me see what you have, Mistress
Aya: AN APPLE
Maria: NOOOOO!
**cronch**
Just to check...
I can't believe Aya's mother is in the tumblr serial killer fandom
BRUUUUHHHHHHH 🤣🤣
Lmfao
I like how there’s certain details like Aya no longer cares about sticking her hand in the toilet and just picks up bare handed, she’s less phased about the horrors of the mansion, it’s kinda nice in a details way. The ghosts in the mansion being a little more malicious towards her is kind of a nice detail as well, like the girl who steals the perfume refuses to show herself before Aya once more and calls her murderer, there are more dolls/ghosts attempting to hurt her (like the stairs girl).
Edit: Manly misses some minor things, 1. If you go to the stairwell where you pick up a gem thrown down the stairs with the two zombies that chase you, Jean’s ghost sits on one of the couches before disappearing 2. If you open the door again after getting mom’s perfume, the doll peeks at you again and laughs
The person who wrote Murderer is Jean, seeing as she's the one that knocks Aya out. Ines is just a phantom of the events that had happened previously like Robin/Dio at the beginning.
I'm thinking Aya blames herself a little because she knows is doing the same things as her father. But she can't be helped at the end, that's why that cinematic with the girl
@@dianasofia7315 No, that cinematic is literally Jean's ghost, not a manifestation of her guilt. It's important to know that the cutscene still with Jean is called 'Reluctance', but Aya shows no reluctance in what she did to Jean. That means that it's referring to Jean herself being reluctant to kill Aya, most likely because even if she did die, Aya made it as painless as possible, compared to her father who just decides "Yeah I'm gonna hack your limbs off with my chainsaw.", and that twisted kindness makes Jean reluctant to kill Aya.
Ikr, she apologized before about using her mom’s perfume, “I’ll use a bit of her perfume”
Now, she drowned herself in perfume
@@BearSobBing you are really funny huh
Old Aya just casually walking past the first enemy encounters like, "Oh right, they exist. Sorry, I have important things to do." And just goes into her room like nothing happened
Just another day of them trying to scare and murder her, no biggie.
She's been quietly snuffing the life out of countless victims so not much frightens her anymore.
Her heart become more stronger, and harder....
Well if i lived her life I’d wouldn’t be too frightful either
"an old lady in a black hood giving away an apple" getting some Snow White vibes
Oh manly literally commented the same thing seconds later. haha
Yeah and older aya looks kinda like snow white xD
aya drevis is snow white confirmed
And that why aya drevis rabbit is call snowball
After all, snow white is a German, so it fits pretty well.
Mad father remake: : Let's put something new and change detail to make it more family friendly
Witch's house remake:
*HAHA PLAYER BE DEAD*
Witch's house remake is basically:
Player: Phew I'm finally sa-
Game: _SIKEEEEE_
Player: *WHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYY*
😂
2 legend horror game has been remaked, hope we can get the 1 other legend horror game remake
Ib remake when
Yea when ib remake
I love how when the father started chasing adult Aya there was no screaming or freaking out, she just seemed to have this whole 'welp, here we go again' attitude 😂
@@pheenixgryphon7857 What are you doing Father.
@@pheenixgryphon7857 I like how BLOOD mode is more of like a tongue and cheek thing; while regular mode is pretty spoopy. honestly Mad father has some great moments to calm down to for a game all about snoopy ghosts.
Mad father remake: like father and mother, like daughter
Mad Mother should be the next where Aya be the mother?
@@afeef2152 good idea actually
@CampManager oh such a comedian
My personal wish for a sequel would be "Mad Daughter" where you play Ayas daughter in what is a structual ripoff of the first game at first glance, but it subverts the usual sequel-trap of "The same except bigger" by doing it for a reason, in that the plottwist is that the daughter is the evil one and the reason why aya was the victim of the new curse is that the brutally murdered people could not remember who took them down and the peacefully put down people assumed she was behind it. With the game ending with a rolereversal of "the third time Aya is running for her life because familymember wants to kill her dead".
I don't know why but Manly dancing on the doll that tried to push him down the stairs is the best
@@DS-ke1cr It was just to funny.
6:13 FTW
She was my first death in this mode so I totally share his sentiment.
That got me laughing hard
.😂.
So for those who wonder why Dio/Robin doesn't appear in Blood Mode:
Do you know the achievement icon for completing If Mode, where Dio/Robin says he'd stop Aya if she'd become like her father?
*An apple*
"Aya's Future"
He DID say he'd try now, didn't he?
you diserve more likes for this
@@airbutcooler5753 Thank you!
You see, the more I thought about it, the more appropriate it felt in my eyes to have an implication rather than a direct confrontation (as many were expecting). Because stories don't have the obligation to give you all the details on a silver plate. Sometimes, an air of mystery and/or subtlety is all they need.
Besides, Dio/Robin did say that it was best not to reveal the fact he was actually alive, so that implies he wants to stay hidden.
Nice assassination attempt lol
OHHHHHH WOW
RHAT GAVE ME GOOSEDBUMPS
Adult Aya still remembering the enemies and not caring about the first enemy encounter is pretty funny. I love that she wanted to actually get to know the boy, too, because he definitely deserved better. Not a bad remake, really. Actually changed the game slightly. Interesting that the mother, Monika, did what she did with the family history. It would be interesting to have a Bioshock-like moment where you see Dio/Robin following without being seen. Could know the other victims of the father better.
Just Monika :)
@@Faithheartglr Omg no way monikas been like that in every horrorverse
That moment when the dad is more caring toward his daughter than the mom.
They both care as much towards her, in my opinion, just that the father wanted Aya to be clean and pure, unlike his dirtiness. Whereas the mother loved that insanity and wanted her daughter to be like him as well.
The scene at 19:04 basically proves that Aya is following her father's footsteps. It is sad, really. After all she saw her father's suffering patients as a kid, she is continuing it anyway. The Drevis family is cursed indeed.
Yep, if the original Mad Father epilogue wasn’t enough, this remake seals the deal. Especially following the blonde kid, he’s destined to stop her most likely.
@@kevin2714 I can't believe Dio's gonna be the hero this time lol
@@JohnSmith-op3qj he going to use dinosaur this time
I was hoping "if" would've made some positive progress. Like Aya realising that both of her parents were shit and slowly understanding that she is becoming more and more like them
Yeah, its my biggest complaint about this game. I think the better ending should have been her, as a child, obviously having no remorse for murdering animals, and making it very obvious she is just like her father, but experiencing everything through the victims like she had been, slowly changes her and ends the "curse". Like, I don't understand the thought process on her part to continue to want to do her father's research. Maybe that's why it irritates me so much, because I don't understand the thought process.
Aya: "I miss you too, Father"
Father: *pulls out chainsaw*
Aya: "Oh yeah, kinda forgot about that."
I think what happened was that psychopathy ran through the family, which would explain Aya's behaviour. Her growing up that way could also be attributed to delayed imitation, and her parents didn't seem to want to watch her suffer.
On the other hand, I think the Drevis family was closer to a cult. Considering what that man mumbled to himself, and how he was referring to Monika. It could be that Monika's family was closer to looking into the supernatural, demons and curses, which could explain how the mother was able to pull off the events from when Aya was a child. The mother wanted Aya to grow up and inherit the family name, letting the father do these experiments because it was a way to deal with "sacrifices" without actually having to dirty her hands.
On the other hand, her father would have the psychopathy or other mental illness, but he still loved his daughter. After he learns about her inheriting his illness, and knowing about what the mother's family is involved in, he didn't want his innocent daughter to be "dirtied" by whatever cult thing is happening. As a result, he wanted to turn her into a doll to stop Aya from growing up. This clashed with the mother's ideals, and the two of them fought.
It's just what I think, though. Both parents still loved their daughter and wanted the best for her, but they went about it in different, extreme ways, with terrible outcomes either way.
yikes, what a family
What was also probably a thing is that Monika's family started the doll creating thing, not the dad - but it probably fitted the dad's addiction of seeing dead people's faces
I think Aya's father WAS the serial killer her mother was exchanging letters with.
(Or, at least, one of them.)
Alfred did attempt to kill monika when they first met, which got monika. . . excited. Like, the experience was very euphoric for her.
Brabo
@@alyssakelley4995
So basically THIS happened
Alfred: You’re so cute. I’ll enjoy this more than you know *Raises knife*
Monika: Oh God YES!
Alfred: …Im sorry WHAT?!
And then they got hitched!
@@risinghopper1213 its really weird how there somehow perfect and terrible for each other
The old versions had some strong implications, but now there is absolutely no doubt: Aya's mother is just as evil as her father. Monika and Alfred, a perfect couple in the worst way. I'm honestly torn on which parent is worse, the father who would kill his daughter to keep her "innocent" or the mother who wants her daughter to become a monster. They're both such horrible, twisted versions of love. Makes it all the more tragic, really.
I like Blood Mode for the added story, but I do wish its puzzles had been changed. I can't help but compare it to Witch's House's Extra Mode that revealed some new lore but also mixed up some puzzles; yes, they all more or less worked the same but you had some added steps or the answers were new. Blood Mode is by no means bad, but it does feel like the weakest part of this remake.
I'm extremely confident that Manly is correct, that Dio's confrontation with Aya is being saved for another game. IF Mode sets it up too much for it never to happen, and we might actually learn his name in that game (though at this point I'd be thrown off by anything other than Dio). I'm unsure how much if at all it'll connect to Misao, that probably depends of if Misao gets a remake on this level.
Dio's real name is Robin, it was revealed through achievements when the Steam version was originally released but not many seemed to notice
The mother wins, though in the end.
@@braystar8578 I think the OP knows this - its just that if in the game it gets addressed it will feel...awkward. Since we're all use to him being Dio and not Robin.
@@amelianekomimi1936 Even if OP knows this, I think it's still important to let people know of this.
It's so prevalent that even the Steam update announcing the remake calls him Dio.
I think the mother is worse. She seems to have a fetish for murderers and only cares to preserve her lineage. Shes also a master manipulator
one thing i never would have thought is that the dad who literally turned people into dolls, and wanted to turn his daughter into a doll, is a better parent then the mother yeesh
Yeesh,
"You thought you could kill aya and Mariah but it was me Dio!"
... How the hell is he any better?????
@@lexa2310 comparatively love, he is better
@@onibeebee... I still don't see it.
@@lexa2310 thats fine, you dont have to
“We still rockin the house”
-Aya Drevis 2020
6:33 FTW
Lol
My favorite part 😂
Mad Father back then: ANIME
Mad Father sequel now: ADULT ANIME
Mad father shippuden
Legit it would be nice to see a anime come of this old classic, however. At the same time knowing how easily an anime can screw up it's titles I'm also very scared.
@@tainii-san5879 true, I was making more of a joke though on how Manly will at times in any game shout "ANIME"
@@tainii-san5879 we need this right now
@@ryugaroxas Yes.
And it should be illegal for anyone other than Manly to voice Ogre in the English dub.
Maria: I still sense life in your eyes...
you mean his ONLY eye
Thank god you were paying attention I missed that lol.
THATS WHY, when Maria and Monika said "eyes" it felt wrong
7:45 It’s interesting to note that her dad, who seems like a typical sociopath with a characteristic lack of empathy, is attempting to discourage her from torturing animals by appealing to her non-existent sense of empathy. This scene suggests that he either might have harbored some repressed guilt over his actions or that he might have learned about the concept of empathy from his mother, who may not have been a sociopath. It’s also been established that he loved his daughter enough to deter her from turning out like him, so he might not have been a true sociopath, but he was still a deranged idiot to think that dismembering people in his basement and attempting to saw his own daughter apart would set a good example for her.
I don't think he suffered from a lack of empathy at all, watching this. I think what happened is he suffered from a lack of CONTROL.
@@AnakhaSilver I feel like the part of him killing his mother and stating that her life-less face is beautiful is enough proof he's either sociopath or psychopath.
I don't think he really wanted Aya to be empathetic towards animals for a good cause. In my interpretation, it was mostly to keep her "pure and innocent" image in his mind, as he was clearly obsessed with her staying young, innocent and uncorrupted (before he tries to turn her into a doll).
I love how casually she walked past the first encounter of monsters.
when I was younger I thought the kiss was so romantic, now that I'm older and have a better understanding of this game, this whole family and even Maria disgust me. they all were guilty in some compacity to aiding the death of innocent people.
True. When I was younger, I thought only the father was the crazy one. Rewatching it now that I'm older, I realized holy shit every one in this household is a damn psycho
I USED TO SHIP THEM AND I RECENTLY FOUND OUT THEYRE LIKE STEPSIBLINGS
@@damnyouallgotohell2875 WHAT
No Dio kissed Aya's head in a non romantic, brotherly way. It was a good-luck charm the same as what her mom did
@@royalmilotic yeahh but also dios name is apparently robin from the game files
Zombie ghost maids: "*Shambling Menacingly Towards Aya*"
Adult Aya: "It was scarier when I was like 10 you guys"
Aya is an absolute Chad of a blossoming serial killer nowadays despite having to relive what is perhaps the worst night of her life and being slightly less vulnerable to all the things trying to kill her. It's also neat how she simply dodges enemies in some QTEs and uses her larger size and weight to move that barrel towards the end.
aya as a character is really interesting in my opinion. she strays further from the stereotype of a sociopath and appears, for the most part, normal to other people. she adopted her mother's ability to appeal to others and calm them with her presence.
psychopaths are functioning human beings on the surface like everyone else. they don't have a "look" to them. and that's probably what's so eerie about aya now.
ok, AYA as next main antagonist while blonde boy as the MC confirmed
Well let's just wait until the new game comes out where robin/dio/blond youth become the protagonist
@@personwithbadenglish8469 is there a confirmation that a new game continuation would be released? because PLEAASEEE > .
@@nyxcheshire4247 i don't know, sorry :< (i even waiting for a new In game-)
Nah fuck that
I wanna be with aya and just gently murder ppl
So, it's confirmed
Aya is a disney princess.
She needs her own movie.
@@tainii-san5879 tittle?
I hope i'll be misleading :)
@@suleyman9199 There could be a few actually!
Impure Doll, Mother's daughter( imho it would be better than Father's daughter because Aya became the way she was due to her mother's influence ), Mad Daughter, Mad Father; the tale of the mad daughter, The Fruit of Our Madness ect. Basically other creative people could come up with more clever one than I . ㆁωㆁ
@@tainii-san5879 It's good but if only the Film settings would be like when it was released as a game in 2012 like it felt like how we we're in 2012, I want newer or younger people to go like, " So this is Mad Father. " or so, and the OG people or those who knew this and other RPG games as their 'youth, times enjoying their Movie Dose Of Nostalgia (eyy) or so.
Another thing is that I want Little Children who we we're once too to see the Film Adaptation of a 2012 game setting and prepare for Surprise UwU. Remember Sausage Party? That kinda the thing I want. Lure anyone and I mean ANYONE in to stage of surprise.
@@suleyman9199 Personally I would like to see the film take place during the beginning or during the end of Aya's madness. Showing us the moment Aya took her first victim or showing her and Dio having a one last stand,as no matter how hard he worked to protect her he said that if she were to become like Alfred he would step in.
With the 3D animated foods or?
Honestly while it would be nice to see an animated rendition of the story I think that something great could be made with a collaboration with Mad Father's developer, giving us another perspective or point in time so that it's not just an animated version of the game, frame by frame.
After thinking about it, I don't believe that Aya's murdering patients randomly just because her mother groomed her into a serial killer
This is all speculation on my part but what if the book or diary that she found as she was escaping the mansion contained all the research of the Drevis family?
And as far as we have been shown, the Drevis family was researching something about cloning unless that was all his father's work although I doubt that since the mother's memories confirm that they were researching and doing shady stuff since before the father came
If the book has all that data and the research was about cloning, what if that's how Aya is "curing" people?
Just like her dad did with Snowball, she put them in a tube, make a new person and sets them free, the ill one gets killed to remove the evidence
This is because unlike her father who killed random nobodies on the street that nobody wants or cares about, Aya has targeted a woman who has a family, she said she was poor and lived in a small village but she did say she had people who cared for her
Also her clinic is known by some since the woman was directed there by somebody
Since people usually question patients disappearing after going to a clinic, maybe Aya is just making clones of her "patients" to remove suspicion and at the same time she still believes she's helping them because she's a sociopath
But then again we never find out what was in that book so this is just a theory of mine
this is what i like to see in a comment section
@@airbutcooler5753 at least we can lower our political opinions for once and enjoy the good old days.
A little late, but if it helps, that book was a collection of Anatomical Tables. It's titled 'Anatomische Tabellen', which is just German for Anatomical Tables. Aya also says, "It's full of gross pictures." which backs that up even more.
You can see Aya comment on the book at around 8:25 of Part 2 in this series.
ruclips.net/video/JKSLHixrZh8/видео.html
So basically, the book's just a bunch of graphic, nasty pictures of human anatomy that Aya's father probably used in his research.
But it said in the Blood Mode (25:05) that the Drevis research was about eternal beauty, not about cloning. That’s also the reason why Monika married this particular serial killer too, he had this thing with post mortem beauty that led the experiments and previous research towards the making of dolls out of people. This is why the doctor just took some parts of the subjects, because those were the “pretty” parts (the eyes of the crying blonde girl at the beggining of the game, the hands of the woman in the looping passage, etc.). Aya seems to be doing the same thing: she points out how beautiful the eyes of her patient are, and later in the game we can see how the ghost of the girl haunts Aya and her eyes are missing. Since the clinic is hidden in the middle of nowhere and only poor and sick people go there, Aya can say that her patients never made it to the clinic, implying that they got lost, or that they made it but died during the treatment.
And for the rabbit part, I don’t think those were clones. Aya’s father also took parts of animals for his experiments. Probably he replaced snowball for one of his unused subjects
@@victoriajury3963 you can see him(father) cloning aya at one ending
I hope this gets some kind of sequel someday. Maybe from Robin's perspective to see what happened to him, and him maybe finding Aya's clinic
Every time I hear Manly say "bun" ten years are added to my life
So the Wadanohara serie made you immortal!
So blood mode just reinforces the "Aya is like her father" ending so there's no debate. A Shame.
>Father was like "oh no I better stop this' which doesn't make much sense
Actually it makes sense but only if you look at it from the Father's point of view. To the Father, killing his subjects was merely a means to an end, that end was preserving beauty, given that the only alignment between the Mother and the Father was 'Preservation' and even that was paper thin. Aya growing up to be nothing more than someone who kills arbitrarily was something 'Dirty' to the Father and his daughter is something, that while 'innocent', was a very beautiful thing which he wanted to preserve by turning her into a doll which interfered with the Mother's goal which was for Aya to turn out like her/continue the Drevis Family....whatever they were doing.
@@JustPlayinYT I think the mother is worse then the father cause she manipulated him and I also read that father tried to turn her into a doll to prevent her from becoming him
The real question is
Will Aya end up more like her father or more like her mother, and is she worse then them or better then them
I feel like both endings are canon. One where Aya lives and goes on to do what she does, and one where she dies which is the Misao universe
@@vbgvbg1133 or you know,the Aya clone that the father made could've been the Aya that is in Misao but you obviously forgot about it.
@VbgVbg 113 The ending that leads into Misao is the good one as that one is the only where the father goes with Ogre.
25:14 that makes a lot of sense now, all this time I thought the father was the Drevis not the mother...
I mean, he would be by the technicality of marriage.
The blood mode might make Aya believe that "Robin" Aka Dio is alive. During that dungeon where Monika said that he is not yet ready to go to the other world. So there is a chance that Aya anticipates that she will meet him someday.
I thought that scene was supposed to be around the time when Robin/Dio was sent out by the mother to keep Aya safe. Since Aya does not know that he is just a normal guy with one less eye, all it would do would explain why he seemed less ghostly. He just never crossed the border to the other world until the curse was gone.
Maria: don’t eat the damm apple
Aya: M O O D
I HATE HOW I AGREE WITH THIS
" Your words wont stop me cause i cant understand what your saying "
Aya: I want to eat this apple
Maria: Aya no!
Aya: Aya yes!
"Disgrace of The Drevis Family"
**adult aya hanging from the ceiling**
Nah it's another character, colors are off. 24:10 is what you're looking for - It's the aunt.
I want to think Aya has at least affected by the incident of the house in some way. But the "They're all psychooooo~" explanation really hurts me in some level as I love Aya's character.
I think Aya displayed greater compassion than that of her mother and father. She's always thankful to people helping her, she treasures her bond with Maria, and I'd like to think she's more subtle in her madness. It's not unhinged like her father and mother.
I don't know why but I really do like this character. And I hope she'd choose a path that cause less pain to others and herself.
She did, even if it is not the ideal path.
Honestly, Aya might have turned out relatively okay if her mother hadn't groomed her to be like her father. Even if you look at actual people with antisocial personality disorder today, they can turn out to be well-adjusted individuals if they're taught properly. And it does seem like her father was trying his best to raise her to be better than him
Yeah, but no matter what path she chooses, she still killed/kills innocent ppl, her fate is lowkey sealed. The whole family is just psycho, and she was raised into it unfortunately. Imo, she’s kind of like her dad in a way. She kills her “patients” and apologizes in a fake empathetic sort of manner. And she rests her sense of moral by just remembering said patient, because Dio told her to remember him and the other corpses from the mansion and how they suffered. In a way, Aya thinks she’s helping ppl but in a twisted manner. And besides, there would be a .000000000001% chance for her to walk out somewhat normal. I mean she had a dad who killed and stuffed bodies in basements and treated them like dolls and whatnot, a mother who was tumblur fangirl obsessing over serial killers and was raised in a whole cult family that enables human sacrifices; not to mention laid out various things so her daughter can become a killer, and a maid that’s also obsessed with Aya’s father and aids in his “experiments,” without batting an eyelash. I also hoped for a better ending for Aya, but that poor girl was doomed from the very start. It’s like a generational curse that cannot be broken, unless someone in their family line in the near future can break it.
I do agree that Aya is way more complex than "crazy pretty lady." I feel as though with the right push (from Dio most likely in a "Mad Father 2"?) she could start to align more with more normal principles. At the end of Blood Mode she does seem to realize a bit that what she's does is wrong, and regretfully so. It would be a shame for her to completely succumb to the nature of her childhood surroundings instead of there being at least some growth, especially with Dio alive.
Adult Aya is so matured now ohmygodd
The way she does things, her reactions and just everything she says feels so satisfying, seeing her as an adult with a rational mind and being less scared is such a breath of fresh air. I thought she would be an absolute psycho character with creepy laughs and crazy eyes, but she's just so calm (too calm maybe, she didn't react much with Jean's ghost and the poisoned apple but I digress)
I just kinda wish there was a diffrent way for her to interact with the endless stairs-ghost.
It's funny to still see people on the fence about Aya becoming like her father even though it's been implied multiple times during the post-game. It just goes to show how much of an innocent and adorable character she was portrayed.
I died when he said "haven't you seen Disney movies?" 🤣
So... the "Aya is just like her father" theory is practically confirmed at this point?
Huh, I wonder if we're going to get a "Mad Daughter" where we play as Robin (or Dio) trying to stop her.
I think so too, but she curves off a slightly different path. The father wanted to keep his experiments eternally beautiful, whereas she killed ill patients who could not be cured to end their suffering.
YES
The "BOO" makes me giggle everytime lol
Ending: depression
Blood and IF endings: MAXIMUM DEPRESSION
“I’m just a passing salesman.” “I’m just an orca on a walk/stroll.” The vibes I get from these two
i love that deep sea prisoner reference lol!
@@sashainan1829 Love Manly’s let’s play of Wadanohara 💕 Lead to me eventually buying the manga 👌
The game sprites and the house go together so well, but the talking sprites are so inconsistent i wish they remade them all too
Same, there aren't even that many, so it shouldn't take as much time as remaking the sprites of everything else...
watch them do another remake with only slightly better sprites, and another, and another, and another, and-
Honestly I wished they hadn’t updated the talking sprites at all. The lines are so scratchy and the eyes are off (like Aya’s). The original art was better; I don’t know why the creator regressed like that every time he updated the art.
Yes in the 2016 remake, they went into detail with notes about Monika Drevis [2nd playthru] - it was essentially her being yandere over him and how much she needed him in her life. The whole aunt and grandfather thing is new. I'm sad they scrapped the love letters - because it slowly goes through from meeting him, living with him and then her rage at allowing Maria to 'freeload' in their home.
17:01 In plots like these, the line in the sand is, "Wait, you wanna do the gruesome murdering thing to our kid? *Other* kids are fine to dissect, but not *our* kid!"
I just watched the entire thing in one sitting again- and THEN THIS COMES OUT IT COULDNT BE EVEN MORE PERFECT LETS GOOOOO
Edit: Yeah, the mom did start caring after the whole "MAria" thing. Although I do think her breaking point was the part where she found out the dad was gonna make Aya into a doll too. That aside, yeah, everyone in this game is kinda coo coo in the noggin.
"Traveling Salesmen" - Makes me wonder if people sell their souls to him for items? Perhaps thats why he refers to himself that way..
Man I was hoping at least one of the members of the family wasn't trash.
It seems wife, husband and daughter should all go out windows, (Like I knew she was fine with the experiments she clearly knew I figured she was powerless to stop him cause well he had weapons but it runs in the blood of this awful family. Ugh UGH! The only good person is the blonde boy dio kid!
Wait wait, there was debate about Aya murdering people?
Even after she was like "my what beautiful eyes you have, I'm almost getting lost in them." And the "don't worry you wont have to suffer ever again."
And then after saying something so ominous it pans to Maria saddened saying "you very much are like your father." ???
I mean from that I would literally assume she was murdering people; No one ever in these games says "you'll never have to suffer again." and means well.
@@sokumotanaka9271 People were in denial lol
T H A N K Y O U So much! I support every word (except for the part about the exit through the window)
@@kadupulwhite2971 If you dont support the window bit are you even a manlybadasshero fan?
Bad people go out windows
@@Windsguidance Apparently so but people gotta find "You'll never suffer again." as kinda sus
I like how they still left it ambiguous as to whether Aya is a murderer or not. All the scenes with Jean could be interpreted as Aya having killed her or simply failing to save her from her illness
Considering her eyes are missing when Aya remembers her and Aya saying she'll never suffer again I'm pretty sure it's not ambiguous.
It's clear as Maria said she's very much like her father.
@@violetshadowstone5250 Also worth noting that Aya mentions how beautiful Jean’s eyes were.
No Aya killed her. Aya called Jeans eyes beautiful, followed up by a scene where she is holding a doll in her hands. She took jeans eyes and used them for her doll to preserve it
i don’t think aya took jean’s eyes; the still where jean sneaks up behind aya is highly likely to just be an artistic decision to make jean’s spirit more ominous and malicious, considering that aya’s last encounter with jean ends with her crying with eyes still intact. it’s likely that what maria meant by aya being like her father is that she’s a doctor that deceives people to kill them, but not the aspect where she turns them into dolls. if you consider the promise she made to dio to remember her father’s victims it’s likely that her main takeaway from that night at the mansion was that turning into dolls was bad, and never the actual act of murder
I remember the part where adult Aya got back her perfume, the wall was written murder in red, wasnt it? That could confirm what Aya did.
Manly’s glee over the doll who tried to push Aya down the stairs breaking was one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen.
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Manly: "You upset?"
Headless Doll: "YES."
17:10 correction she always knew he was sleeping with the assistant she only start caring that he was turning people into dolls when she overheard him say he's going to turn their daughter into it doll
Because of the way the game's story is told, naming it "Mad Family" would be a huge spoiler in itself, so they had to go for "Mad Father" I guess
Well, this is the 2nd remake, so some things have been added to the story.
@@charlesnojinson4760 true
I think I remember Mother's lore which means she was previously a victim of Father but developed severe stockholme syndrome. And she inherited and owns the mansion? I don't remember entirely.
*SUPER SPOILER ALERT*
The mother grew in a family that actually held a sacrificial cult who seeks eternal beauty by sacrificing poor/abandoned young people. The aunt was supposed to be the heir but she didn't want to continue the sacrificing people act and thus she was persecuted by the grandfather, in the end she committed suicide and Monika (the mother of Aya) was the one who inherited the riches and mansion of the Drevis family. The act of the aunt was the thing that caused the Drevis mansion to downgraded to the one we currently know.
And in this remake, we know that Monika isn't as innocent and benevolent as what people thought. In the childhood days she would send letters to 100 prisoners to know how they killed -- and she mingled with problematic and mentally ill people. She was supposed to be killed by Alfred Drevis but she fell in love with him since she felt the thriller and sensation of having a near death experience -- kinda like Stockholm syndrome. When she and Alfred had Aya as their daughter, she was the one who encouraged Aya to hurt animals and play with chainsaw so basically it was Monika who made Aya an sociopath since Monika stated that Aya will be a fine Drevis heir had Alfred and her died.
I remember that, she was almost killed by Father, though I'm not sure how she survived. But that incident made her 'fall in love' because her heart was beating so fast, and she invited Father to her mansion. Her madness was hinted in that moment.
I now remember that Father's name is Alfred(?)
Not really Stockholm Syndrome since she wasn't captured by the father nor ever actually abused - he also didn't try to turn her into an obedient person or wanted to keep her alive
He wanted to kill her and we saw with the little lore bits, she was insane to begin with, raised by a cult where murder was natural. Even in the older version, the second playthrough shows hints to her insanity in diary entries, that she wanted Aya to turn out the same way
Edit: not every situation involves Stockholm Syndrome, since it's definition is completely different from what people expect and think - same goes for many other mental disorders
They are often misrepresented in media or easy misunderstood
@@rambles6410 The father's name is Alfred, yes. Alfred Drevis.
What if the “old lady” in the black coat was Ogre he somehow knew she ate the apple and maybe he wanted her to back to back to the past and learn a lesson from it. I have no idea. Just an idea I have/theory.
Game: "The old man seems satisfied"
Manly: "CHAINSAW HIM!"
Hey new lore! I like the added information of Monika’s own madness and how Aya’s birth and the preserving beauty beliefs went back to HER. I think that’s why the mom let the father continue his experiments. Though I am curious who’s the blonde girl Aya is holding in the title screen. It’s most likely a doll I think? Unlikely theory, but maybe she meets Dio again, they have a kid (blonde hair), and the cycle starts all over again with the Drevis curse and the madness.
It would be awesome. Especially the idea of possible conflict since you know the blonde guy said he would try to stop Aya if she were to follow her dad’s footsteps, which she does.
I thought the blonde thing in the title was just a doll?
I‘m pretty sure the doll is one of the dolls from the true end where Adult Aya walked up to the multiple dolls and said that she remembered them (them being the victims of the father n such). That or I suck at remembering things
I think it would be interesting if that doll is Dio's dead sister. He looks like Dio, because she's blond as well. I dunno i might just be jumping to conclusions.
Doubt they'd have a kid since Dio considers her like a sister... but why not?
I suppose Aya is a great example of the saying 'The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.' 🍎
This raises some more questions. Who created this "new space?" Was it Jean? Also, who gave Aya the apple in the first place? I have a feeling that, in the future, there will be a sequel to this game, or perhaps an update to the Misao remake with a new mode.
What if the old lady was Jean's mom?
Doubtful that it would be Jean’s mom, but Jean did mention some old kind lady gave her a ride for a good portion of the journey. Could be her, though likely only if there’s more to her than we know.
@@NekoRyuukiChan I thought it was implied in the end of the original, that the old lady that gave Jean a ride halfway was Maria, specifically because she mentions hearing horses and saying "they must be close" that would also be a very Maria thing to do
@@lucasmcinnis5045 omg that's what I thought, too. So I guess the old lady with the apple and the one who offered Jean a ride are two different people (assuming the one who gave her a ride secretly was Maria).
@@nukesakuji it's two different people. Aya mentioned that the old lady in black hood who gave her the poison apple was a god of death while the one who gave Jean a ride was actually Maria. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
PeTItiOn fOR MaD FaThEr 2
Mad Father 2 or any sequel has a great potential considering they already developed and tied Aya’s personality and story given that Dio/Robin will now be the protagonist that will “stop” the madness for good. I guess it will now delve deeper into the consequence for making Aya like this with the Drevis family history. I do hope it’s not the end of the journey because them being adults/matured/older creates a wider ‘effect’ problems and plot rather than exploring the ‘cause’. And that ogre better be involved in yet another game to happen and be the connection between these games, like in Misao where Aya is presumably the nameless librarian or a clone her father has successfully experimented with.
I just wish Ib gets something like remake or another ending where they could be together or something
What a curse family... Now the matching room kinda make sense to me. It was a part of the mother's family "sacrifice" ceremony. The mother was peeking from the pole as a young child and watching the bloody scene lol
To think?? Her mom was in on it too. I personally wasn’t looking too into the lore between the parents ,, but this explains a lot djghf
wow I really love how deep this game is. you'll first think that aya dad is the evil one and her mom is the innocent but she's just as crazy as him. in some ways he wanted to help aya and I do believe he loved her and didn't want her to become messed up like him, but killing her and turning her into a doll wasn't right. its seem aya mom was into insane people and maybe that's why she wanted aya to become like him to continue the family work
The Drevis must have been like:
"I want us to leave a masterpiece to the world."
"A corpse doll!"
"A child!"
"...a corpse doll child?"
"Perfect!"
Wow, there's some pretty sad implications concerning the mom if she really was raising Aya to be a killer. The confrontation that ended the mom's life and the curse might not have been done out of love for Aya so much as wanting to preserve her family's lineage; she knew if her husband killed Aya and turned her into a doll, no one would be able to continue the lineage... and in the end, the mom succeeded in keeping Aya alive to follow in her father's footsteps and (maybe?) continue the Drevis family research.
“Dio” looks a whole lot like vocaloid Oliver.
Oh I didn’t know there are sequels to the game, but nice the story continues.
Not mod, that remake with new addition
Oh yess i was hoping there would be continuation to her adult life. After years waiting. I hope someone do the sequel for witch's house too. The real ending is so tragic. Kinda hoping the father realizes that is not her actual daughter and get revenge or something
It’s 11:35 pm and I’ve been waiting for this one all day
8:37 pm in my time zone. Same
10:41 pm here
@@skullray same good ol mid west
It's 10:20AM here.....
Perfect way to start my day
5:25 am in mine
I kind of hoped/expected the person in the cloak was "Dio" since he said he'd stop her if she became like her father. A shame they didn't bring that into the mini sequal part
Btw I like to think that in the last title screen, the little blond girl, could be Aya's Daughter. But also Robin's, as he's blond too. So who knows, maybe in the future they met again, Robin hid is real identity, married her, had a daughter with her and maybe convinced her to stop killing random too? I hope so, that would be so cute! But that's just a theory
it's nice to know that Dio or rather his real name Robin is actually alive it really made me happy.
I was kinda expecting that doll in A!Aya’s arms in the titlescreen to show it having Jean’s eyes but I guess we won’t know.
Sad that we don’t get much more of Jean after she tells Aya she wanted me a doctor too in her “dream”
But Blood Mode is cool! I like the extra lore with the mom!
Looking forward to seeing more content from you Manly!
Oh finally a after story to the best ending i was wondering.
Seeing as being a serial killer is a thing on both sides of the family, it's no wonder Aya would more or less turn out to be one as well. Also, seeing adult Aya being so calm after all that is quite chilling.
Having the mother’s family play a part in making the dolls also explains how there is so many of them, some of them could have been victims before Aya’s father took over the experiments
y'know, even though he's completely insane and kills kids to make em into dolls, I prefer the father over the mum. like, they're both equally twisted but ig I just like the dad better since he doesn't encourage Aya to be like him. But the mum... yikes man.
18:44
-You're upset?
-Oh god my head!
Me: Yup... she's upset xD
Are we ever gonna you know? *smacks fist* Deal with -Solas- Ogre?
He's been asking for it for a while.
Is he in other games besides this and Misao? At least in terms of the same character model being used..
@@phantompop3192 yea i think he was there in that school gane too
@@shinebrightlikeadoitsu1120 what game?
@@phantompop3192 the one where her father is now, in a game he appears as the mad doctor or something. Idk, it's been a long time since i saw the game play, just remember a bunch a high school kids and a corpse obsessed supposedly hot teacher??
@@shinebrightlikeadoitsu1120 yeah that’s Misao lol. Where the mc has to recover body parts around a high school infested with demons and ghouls.
Did you collect all the gems in Blood? I just looked online and read that there is an extra cutscene that explains more about Aya’s future.
Can you provide a link because I tried googling it and I haven't had any relevant results?
Bro come on
Manly's voice acting when he does the red eyed stranger is the definition of "rent is due"
Maria: I still sense life in your eyes.
Robin/Dio: ^blinks with his only eye^ So... where's my other eye at, then!?
So.. basically, her mother is twisted and scary even she was alive, brainwashing her husband to do experiments for her and planning for her to continue the legacy of their family with Aya.
I love that he says groovy when he gets the chainsaw, I really hope it’s an army of darkness reference
He's Ash but he creates the deadites
What a masterpiece. I wish we could learn about the human side of the father more.
Manly missed the other half of the letter, but it basically says that Monika fell in love with Alfred after he tried to kill her (that's how they met) and gave him a map to the mansion.
A woman researching eternal beauty and a man obsessed with dead faces = Dead faces with bodies as if they were alive aka Dolls.
I was looking for this, thank you!
Aya: father i missed you too
Father: *chainsaw*
Aya: nope bye
Maria: Aya, no.
Aya: AYA YES
Jokes aside, she does seem to really have a death wish. Maria points out it's a bad idea and that's immediately when the apple becomes irresistible, not anytime between receiving the "gift" and coming inside. And in the end, it's her connection to Maria that convinces her to come back and see things through to the end, even though she knows she needs to pay the piper. Adult Aya isn't surprised by the things she reads about her mother any more than Child Aya was surprised about her father: "Mother understands Father's research better than anyone [else]!" Aya has always been aware her mother is a serial killer fetishist, and that being part of her normal is part of why she can march through all those corpses and still honestly say she loves both of her parents.
Of course, the added detail about her apologies to the animals adds to her creepy child points: she apologizes to the dead she comes across in her bid to save her father, but she doesn't fundamentally see the flaw in the behavior. She thinks the apology itself is necessary correction, so laying the corpses to rest and memorializing them fully satisfies Child Aya's sense of morality. Adult Aya is aware this is flawed (tied to her suicidal ideation), and even that her behavior is what her father had been trying to correct. Her new conclusions are still flawed and she may still be suffering survivor's guilt, but she idolized her father and recreating his work may be her own effort to memorialize him as well.
Warning: plausible interpretation ahead in a vein I personally despise but will point out since it's a possibility. Oni could in some ways be considered a surrogate for Sen, or, on some level, the audience: we're here gathering fucked up people and the paragons who oppose them. The more fucked up, the better. It's a genre with roots in Corpse Party with highlight hits with Ib, Off, Witch's House, Close Your Eyes, Hello Charlotte -- even the cuter or meme games are sinister. Misao is a love letter to Corpse Party start to finish, while Blank Dream is a journey through suicide. The Strange Men series may have relatively normal protags, but they're named for their screwed up antagonists. It's a genre fraught with every horror the makers can think up, safe behind the pixel graphics. Even One-Shot has sinister elements. Dreaming Mary could be considered to have a "happy" ending, but that's only after knowing the horror the protag has been through. Even Cute Girls Doing Cute Things: the RPG aka The Gray Garden is fraught with the darkness of the okegom universe creeping at the edges. And we eat it all up. We just adore foolish humans, after all.
Imagine Mad Father.... but with bears!
I love how Aya is just so unfazed with everything.
the father's voice is still iconic "aya, i gonna get it"
"Aya Drevis 2020 we still rockin' the house"
That's a good one
I feel strange about my girl Aya getting a happy ending here. (Coarse I know what happens in the secret ending so she eventually gets what’s coming to her.) but man I get so bummed thinking about this game. I wanted to believe Aya would transcend her family’s horrible nature, but I guess the bird didn’t fly too far away from the nest. When I seen the ending the first time I was so happy cause Aya finally had peace, then I realized what was really going on. I was so frustrated, but also thought it was a great ending so I was super mixed. Overall I wouldn’t change the ending because the shock is so powerful but man is it still upsetting seeing the girl I rooted for turn a new leaf for the worst.
My theory for the sequel:
Ogre grew bored again, so he's gonna give to Aya and Robin a stand for the final battle
Za Warudo vs. Killer Queen.
@@lpfan4491 Which is strange because Robin, despite looking more like Dio, has powers more similar to Killer Queen (fire). Aya, being a killer and (in some forms of the word) a queen, seems to be able to slow down time to avoid danger (not really :P). The real question is WHAT HAPPENED TO KARASU/CROW?
Even tho the game tries to make the QTEs reasonable(Which does not even work, it just makes the enemies look incompetent), I personally see it more like reverting time entirely. The onehit killer-dolls do not give chase and the chandelier just kinda respawns...because yes.
It would also be revealed that Ogre is the true mastermind of everything in both Original Jojo universe and SBRverse.