*Notes* - I butchered the calculator at the end by putting the initial space of plots at 92 TiB when it should have been 0 - Which resulted in seeing high profits at first when it should've been gradually increasing instead. Sorry!! - I made another whopsy! >< a 2TB SSD can do 7 plots (7 * 256 GB per plot = 1,792 GB) So just the RAM will bottleneck - Forgot to talk about RAID. RAID for your final storage is not recommended (you want to maximize capacity) as for your Temp storage you can use RAID to boost speed - If you have "Not Synced" problem with your Wallet/Node then try opening the Chia Porotocol Port on your router - Port 8444 Thank you all for the great feedback! Keep em coming
What about Raid 0 for the final storage? Is doesn't hurt the capacity and provides better writing speeds. Would it help with the end of the plotting phase and/or the farming?
@@TheGugustar For Farming RAID is not recommended, I believe it is because it stores "duplicates" across harddrives? I could be completely wrong but from what I read its better not to use RAID with final storage, it wont help in any way
bruh you are just awesome i been watching so many video on chia past 2 weeks and had so many questions and after watching your video i got all my answers thnxs mate
At 27:46 shouldn't your initial space of plots be 0 TiB? Then you start plotting 2.5 TiB per day till you reach 92 TiB (Max total space of plots). Please correct me if I am wrong.
So of I use a 3tb ssd for plotting using a amd 9590 and 64gb ram then farm them on 50tb of storage space. The calculator says its potential to make almost 2k a month average. Did I enter it wrong? After I farm them, do I have to just buy more storage or can they be deleted to rewarm to the hdd?
One of the more concise Chia startup videos out there.... question tho - can the plots be deleted off the temp drive (nvme) after it hits 100% plotting and farming is started on the final destination drive
so far you dont but there is a thing about the k32 k33 that I need to look more into I will do a full update on that topic in the next part of this video!
The only video you need to see on RUclips to start mining Chia. Thanks my friend. Will recommend and share for sure. Keep up the work and consistency. Your content goes great. Thanks for the deep information that helped alot. ❤️. LOVE from INDIA.🇮🇳
hey so i have a doubt, i have an i5 9400F, 16gigs of ram and about 8tb of HDD space i can arrange. (1060 6gb graphics card) to earn and profit a decent bit, how much should i upgrade my ram and do i need to make any other changes to my pc? mobo :- B360MD Asus
Hi i want to know if we cant re-use the hard drives after the mining? Like can we delete stuff and can re-use or the process damages the hard drive enough that its left to throw way.
Best Vid Out On Chia! Thank you watched 3 x. Can One expect never stop , plotting as keep in race ahead of the ever expanding ( odds getting paid)? I noticed the hard drives are out of stock over priced. Do You see stopping at (1000 plots) or never stop buying HD and constant plotting. ( pools make this problem worst?) One must keep ahead of this , until people drop out, Not getting paid ever. More like playing Bingo.......Just keep buying more and more cards... i card guy can win not very likely. Thanks help Mike
Thank you!! Yes right now it's a race for sure. If your planning to make good money out of this then youl constantly need to increase your plots which can get really expensive. Maybe once pools are public it will give more hope to small time miners like us
Why bother with Chia coins? it is new Soon be #2 coin . No GPU's Needed, Lot easer build hard drives than GPU's It politically better coin, low carbon foot print. Proof of space & Proof of Time. No 1599 out there get you in July ( or when ever). The bottle necks are the hard drives / plotting computer. (A) As of last night and this morning I been able purchase on line ( no standing in line over night) $22 a Ter Bite same price as always been. I am "Not Paying" $1,000 or $2,000 For a Seagate HDD ( least Not yet I will not)! ( B) You do a build end up one heck of a computer( all goes to 0 ) ( C) by default you are creating your own server.( tons of space) Best part Of Chia Is the way get people to quit. Shows ( estimate ) how long it takes to "Win" And as more people get in harder it is . Proof of work Miners are Very Poor choice for Chia, too slow. Chia Is Not I say again It is NOT Mining it is Hidden investing( space and time) ( not proof of work Or Stake). You can sell off your plots....... Chia Is like going to BINGO hall . You playing ( against)with 60-80 year old women from church. Every body has" a system ". Some old Gal just buy ( Plotting 1 plot ) 1 bingo card. See some have 2 or 3 cards .....That one lady walks in , has A bag ( tricks). Has highlighter and clips and reading glasses. She buys 50 -100 cards a round, has helpers to scan all the cards...( parallel plotting) The Big round cage on stage started up and start reading off Numbers. O 64! B 19 C 28 ect. who going to win ?? well One lady Has one Card yells out Bingo!!!! If she has right numbers 1 card will win. All people have mult(pool) cards cry out "Why" Most likely that one lady , has all 50 100 ( plots) has better chance. The one lady who on side line who has no cards is one only know for certain what out come for her is. If Going play one card ....play one card. Not going play any cards Great. When the one person who has 50 - 100(plots or more) bingo cards walks out with the grand prize well not by accident. ( the Coins of Chia) most likely has played game long term. 5 years before see what Chia will become. (2009 in world bit coin for Chia to day ) Mike
Great video, thanks! Question, what if I use 5 different computers to prepare hard drives for mining. Let’s assume I have 100tb space ready for mining, what will be approximate daily earnings?
So If i have 3 HDD (10 tb each) and 1 SDD (2 tb), I would plot from SSD then farm with HDD. What do you do after plotting, would you have to go back in the plotting menu and create another set to the same HDD?
Curious is it more "worth it" to go with 1 24 core 48 thread cpu to plot or go with multiple smaller core/thread cpus multiplying how many parralel plottings you can do ... seems like there would be a break even on 1 vr multiple speed vrs multiples at slower rates ... sorry if this isnt technical speak ... just curious (also the cost of the highest end cpu versus multiple lower ones)
Will it not be ok to, for instance, get a high-end laptop with 3 x usb slots and plug in 3 times 5gb hard drives in it. That means for eg. laptop is 2 tb and each hard drive 5tb that means 17 TB of space. Is it not that simple? What am I missing?
Lets say I have a 500 gb ssd and 1tb hdd, I will use ssd for plotting and use hdd for saving my plots. After the hdd full, what does happen? Does my mining (farming?) stop? Or I just sit and wait for win after hdd is full with plots and ssd’s job is over?
Was curious about Chia now that I've decommissioned a storage server from work. I guess I missed it or it's not going so well with 1 XCH being worth $32USD.....yikes
I'm just learning and starting on gpu mining very late compared to many... yet now I find out hard drive mining, WiFi hotspot mining helium, cpu mining etc What to choose....
So it damages the temporary drive and the final destination hard drives, i have a m2 on my pc i use for things but i have a slot for another so i could get that and use it for plotting to clean hard drives? Does it damage anything else the cpu or anything?
Nice thing is that most of my chia farming "investment" is stuff I wanted to buy anyway for later personal use: A 3900X, 32GB memory, a 64TB RAID5 enclosure, and an nvme drive (which I'm not actually using for plotting). The only real costs probably only for chia was an extra 5-bay enclosure for additional plotting. I have access to a few older SATA hard drives, so throwing ten or more of those at the plotter simultaneously is still reasonably fast but won't wreck any SSDs. Bonus: Since I have extra threads available, I can mine Verus with the cpu!
John, just don't use RAID for the actual long-term storage of the plots. You want to maximize your storage capacity to give you the largest number of plots possible. If you can find a used JBOD server that would be more ideal than the limited 5-bay enclosure (assuming you want to grow your Chia storage large).
Quick questions, sorry for the newbie question, I noticed after a week of plotting/farming I would always hit 1/30 plots passed filter. 1. Is that 1/30 really accurate? just one? 2. also, are my connections correct? my farmer and wallet are addressed to 127.0.0.1, while full nodes are connected to three different addresses My worry is that I set this up based on the available tutorial over youtube (random people) and that I might be missing something. Can anyone help?
Do you think we can use 192 gb RAM disk for temporary storage instead of ssd ? Or can we even use normal hdd for temporary storage I just don’t like the idea of using ssds for temporary storage and wear them over time…
So, you can plot on one computer continuously, then save those plots on a harddisk, then bring that harddisk anywhere earth, separated geographically and have it mined altogether, a la hive mind, to a single wallet???
hi having a good day/ evening . what happened when final desk full , 1.insert new hard drive 2. still get money from previous hard drive . 3. can you explain plz thanks
I looked into servers alot some are really good but the speed of the processor also matters so you will be able to do more plots in parallel but it will be slower
This is a major problem here, they have plotting, farming, and harvesting. It's only the 'plotting' that requires a super-computer & NVME drive to make the plots. Once you have the plots you run the farming software which processes the plots and send the results to the block-chain/pool ( lets just say mother ), harvesting is when you have lots farms all processing at the same time. Yes, you can have a 20 year old dinosaur computer, but the problem is they only supported 4gb files up until 20 year ago; Also each plot is 108GB, so a 1TB drive will only old 8 plots, and most old computer's have 512MB hd's; Most of the USB 3.0 external stuff now like 18tb are great but your old computer doesn't support USB 3.0, but you can get a PCIE card to handle this. Mining (FARMING) doesn't require any special cpu, or memory, the farming uses less than 1GB of ram. What I do is attach large TB HD's to my plotting computer and as they become full of plots I attach these HD's to old computers, I found that LAN networking doesn't work well, the plots need to be on the same system as their miner. Just like mining rigs with GPU's, you just rename every farmer with its own name, but you always use the same public-key for all your plots, on the WWW interface for HPOOL, all your farmers by name show up and how many plots you have, and how much you are making. The only thing here difficult is "PLOTTING", e.g. actually making the plots. This requires a super-computer 8+ core,32+GB RAM, .. and 3+ SSD's&NVME's, your OS needs to have its own m2., your plotter needs to have its own NVME, your temporary target for new plots needs to have its own ssd ( here a slow sata will work ), and then you need to have tons of TB attached to the plotter to save the plots, which get generated every 6-8 hours, if you have a super-computer and NVME plotter. Seriously this thing is marketed as green but its all BS, original bitcoin required 512mb of memory GPU mining requires 6gb gpus, and now space-mining requires 300GB of dynamic-ram to create a plot on a super-computer. All they have done is devise new ways to make stuff difficult, the entire narrative of using old computers, and that chia is green is 100% bs. There is a gimmick here many people are now offering services of selling you 'plots', think about this for a moment, you pay $100, to make 10 cents/day, and lose 1/2 every week. ... Your question, I think is you think that your old computer can MAKE PLOTS, it CANNOT, but it can "farm-plots", I really don't know how to explain the difference, these people have really messed up language. In normal mining we just call it mining, our GPU's are looking for a magic-hash every 15 minutes, and the first to find it wins; Here its the same plotting is 'creating the lottery ticket', must be done on a super computer, after that, you can place your plots on old computers, if they have the storage ability to hold 10's of trillions of bytes of data.
I think it is, x79 motherboards and ddr3 ecc are in demand in china rn, they rose up in prices too because of that, It's actually harder rn to get one of those x79 motherboards from suppliers but not as hard as getting GPUs. I only have 2 of them left in stock here, i'm having trouble getting more of them from my supplier because the high demand they're in rn. It may be because gamers wanna get something for cheap that is decent or may be because they're good and cheap for chia miners.
@@MiningChamber thanks , you deserve all support ! and I recommend your channel to many friends ! you really make some awesome video here !! waiting for the next chia video ^^
Some questions from home-PC-farming perspective: 1) Is it possible to shut down plotting in the middle and have it continue (rather than start from scratch) after? 2) Does one know if it's ok to delete the plot being farmed because it already won? Or because one can be sure it never would win? 3) If one shuts down PC while farming and during the shutdown time it would appear one of the plots "won", would one know it after resuming farming? 4) Is it possible for several people to plot the same plot? For example, what happens if I compute one plot and then delete it? Would it be possible for anyone else to plot the same plot after that?
1.) NO 2.) Impossible, its like bitcoin sha256 hitting the same thing twice, the plotname is is a huge NONCE, a number that is only drawn once, now you could instance have people sell the same plot to many people online but people would never do that right? 3.) Plotting has nothing to do with mining ( farming the plots ) typically on your plotter you only make new plots, your miners are your harvesters on your farms of plots, any PC can be running a miner (hpool, or chia-farmer ) 4.) sure but the first one who reports to the blockchain wins, and that will always be the largest pool, and this will always be HPOOL.
Now let's hope I can get my hands on some suitable storage before everyone catches on. Already have a pretty boss spare system lying around. Would you recommend the Seagate firecuda drives?
I found my pc port no.8444 is closed and check other ports also closed, if the 8444 port closed, does this can get the coin? I check other non mining computer, the port is closed, how to solve this problem?
You must run chia-pos ( plotter ) using two temp paths called -t, and -2; -t is the path to the NVME drive; -2 is a path to a ssd-sata drive when the plot is complete 8-12 hours for temporary storage to offload the plot from the -t disk, chia-pos will transfer the plot ( 108gb ) from -2 file to your -d ( destination ) hdd drive when the plot is complete ( 8-12 hours ) If you try and point either -t or -2 to physical drives you will destroy them, I tried this just for fun last month, and I killed a 2tb WD blue HDD. I could reformat it, sequential writing of large files formatted with linux ZFS format is fine for physcial HDD's, random access of 1.5 Trillion r/w is NOT normal usage for a HDD. You must understand that during the 8-12 hour process of "Plot file creation" that 1.5 Trillion read/write are done randomly to the drive, no commercial drive is designed for this abuse. People buy "USED" SAS drives are just getting sold a 'bill of goods', these disks got retired for a reason. NEW SAS drives cost more than high-end NVME's. Lastly, never use partitioned drives for plotting, must be formatted ext 'ZFS', 'discard' on linux, you must frequently 'trim' the SSD or it will slow to a crawl, 'discard' tells the OS to clean (run fstrim ) the NVME, its not an automatic process.
Great video as always! Your attention to detail is superb👌🏼 As far as Chia mining goes, without the pools enabled it really is more of a lottery and a long term gamble since there are so many factors involved which influence the reward, and all it would take is for a big corporation to set up the operation with a few warehouses and the "time to win" (which sounds like a casino anyway) would sky rocket as it already has given the amount of people getting into this. I fear that a lot of people will be stuck in a constant loop of chasing the "winnings" by buying more gear whilst racking up a massive electrical bill (which they might not even be able to afford) given that there is no earnings coming in from this venture, turning it more into a liability rather than a passive income generating asset.
what happens if your farming for a while and want to move your plots to another drive? do those plots no longer work, or do they just have to sit on the new drive for some amount of time before they become possible winners again?
There is only one plot size right now supported by the mining-pool they call it k32, its 108gb. You can fit 8 of them on a 1TB drive. You can run the hpool sw on any computer that has a drive containing 'plots' attached. When you 'plot' you run the cmd line "chia plot create -t ... -2 ... -d ..." you don't enter -k 32 because is the default, the only reason they have -k n is so you can make baby 1gb plots for 'testing the software'.
Hello. I am calling from Iran. I have a very small farm. It has been a few days since I encountered a problem in Chia Farm. The wallet syncs but the ful node does not sync and no matter what I do, it is not fixed. Please help me.
So yea one way to keep making money is to continuosly buying more Drives. But is it possible as well to format the drives every couple weeks and plotting them again?
@@MiningChamber Okay yea maybe not every couple weeks, but the plots are worthless once they got rewarded, right? If so at some point it would better to fill the drives with new plots... Idk maybe I misunderstood something 🤷
Mining Chamber,can you make videos how to achieve "10,000 plots" re: Plot:RAM:THREADS:SPACE to ratio, Please include hardware and cost. The return on the calculator is tempting. Regards.
You're awesome, I've a question to save time we can buy plots using public farm key and connect it via farming machine of our wallet. What do you think about it?
@@Metalandstuff464 Could you please elaborate on what you are asking? I haven't mentioned in my message that I was starting a chia miner and was asking how it wears down a storage device; such as if I section parts off in an attempt to prolong its use, would it last longer?
Also can I use several enterprise grade ssd (already got them) on raid for the temporary storage ? Or should I simply use the HDD for temporary and final storage ??....
You should always use ssd for temp storage, in the video I emphasis on that ;) enterprise grade ssd in raid will be great for temp storage. HDD is super slow so only use it as final storage
Definitely you could RAID the enterprise grade SSD's to increase performance of generating plots. I would recommend using HDD's for the final storage (5400 RPM would be fine but the larger the better).
MC is right, use RAM disks for 'creating' the plot you use physical ( moving part ) drives for permanent storage of plots. Enterprise SSD's are fine for -2 temp, but if they're not up to NVME 4/16X PCIE level of performance, e.g. 5,000MB/S. I would be leary. Here's the deal SSD are usually SATA, and that is obsolete and slow its ok for -2 temp storage of the plot. For -t plot creation you must use a high-end NVME drive, chia-net advise the lowest end possible as the corsair MP-530 a $250 2TB NVME with a 3200 TBW warranty. My EVO 980 Pro's usually burnup at 100 plots, or 150TB which is 25% of warranty, A normal SATA SSD drive will get destroyed by the -t chia-pos algo, its the work of the devil we say. Sata drives are designed for sequential, the plotting process is 1.5 Trillion random-read/writes. No Sata-SSD or HDD is designed for this abuse.
@@jeremyk3154 Go ahead and try it, but if beware to run chia-pos on anything your not willing to destroy. It destroys NVME drives and it destroys HDD's. I think if you had a new rack of RAID-0 drives and you wanted to sacrifice them to the chia-gods more power to you. These people buying 'used' retired SAS drives and thinking they can do 20-30 plots per day are going to find out real quick why these drives got retired and sold on ebay for $30. Most enterprise grade SSD's that are SATA are now considered obsolete, which is why they're all being sold. State of the art is NVME, enterprise grade. But very expensive, for a hobby that only makes your $10/day.
I have one question for plotting we give internal space (internal SSD) when plotting is done and shifted to farming on external hard drive. Will internal space free automatically or we have delete that file ??
Intel chips are more efficient than AMD for Chia plotting. There's a video comparing both in detail, it seems that what is more important is the single thread performance, which are better on Intel. Cheers!
If you are plotting ( a 8-12 hour process) it cannot be interrupted, you lose all. If your are farming, e.g. connecting your plots to the Hpool, then you can start - stop the process anytime you wish. 'sync' is a blockchain terminology, you don't need to sync, or run the blockchain to plot or to mine (farm); If fact as of right now the entire chia-net blockchain is broken, and nobody can sync, they rushed to main-net on 5may2012 with buggie software. Nobody knows when the software will be fixed, and especially the pooling protocol from chia-net, its terminally challenged. Which is why chia-net hates HPOOL, cuz they have been up & running forever.
*Notes*
- I butchered the calculator at the end by putting the initial space of plots at 92 TiB when it should have been 0 - Which resulted in seeing high profits at first when it should've been gradually increasing instead. Sorry!!
- I made another whopsy! >< a 2TB SSD can do 7 plots (7 * 256 GB per plot = 1,792 GB) So just the RAM will bottleneck
- Forgot to talk about RAID. RAID for your final storage is not recommended (you want to maximize capacity) as for your Temp storage you can use RAID to boost speed
- If you have "Not Synced" problem with your Wallet/Node then try opening the Chia Porotocol Port on your router - Port 8444
Thank you all for the great feedback! Keep em coming
thanks a lot . according to profit . it every month if my pc still plot . or what . if i didn't add any new hdd
Please make a video on harvesting. How to set up a second computer properly (I have heard you cannot run 2 nodes on the same network...)
What about Raid 0 for the final storage? Is doesn't hurt the capacity and provides better writing speeds. Would it help with the end of the plotting phase and/or the farming?
@@TheGugustar For Farming RAID is not recommended, I believe it is because it stores "duplicates" across harddrives? I could be completely wrong but from what I read its better not to use RAID with final storage, it wont help in any way
8c 16t can do 9 plots at a time, needs 32g's of ram
by far the best and the simplest video i saw in the past 2 months about chia , bravo my friend 👍👍👍
Thank you my friend ⛏️💙
Absolutely agree
Great video. Just got all my parts for my chia building. Nice to know other people are interested in this
There's a shortage right now for the equipment needed, but I've got a surplus in inventory. Call (941) 357-4655 and ask for Christian.
The Ultimate Chia Farming Guide ✨ this is the best video I've ever watched for chia. Thank you my Friend.
Aww thank you I appreciate that, I thought I didn't do so well but glad to hear otherwise 🙏⛏️
@@MiningChamber Any idea if the 1.1.5 version makes poolable plots ? Not sure what plots cand be used with future pools . . .
@@gigihulj6949 nothing is out for that yet as far as I know sorry
Hey fella,
Since you have the most information in your videos, is it possible for you to make a video on "How to mine Chia on multiple PCs"?
Can you tell us, what your daily mining is now that Chia is at $30? thanx
bruh you are just awesome i been watching so many video on chia past 2 weeks and had so many questions and after watching your video i got all my answers thnxs mate
does setting up a more expensive rig mean more profitability per TB of storage or does it just mean that you're able to set up your plots faster?
Yes so just faster plotting, earning remains the same
At 27:46 shouldn't your initial space of plots be 0 TiB? Then you start plotting 2.5 TiB per day till you reach 92 TiB (Max total space of plots). Please correct me if I am wrong.
Yess my bad! I added a pinned comment on it, Im such a noob
Best Chia review video ever, keep it up bro 👍🏻👍🏻
The best video on Chia Plotting and Farming!
Thank you!!
So of I use a 3tb ssd for plotting using a amd 9590 and 64gb ram then farm them on 50tb of storage space. The calculator says its potential to make almost 2k a month average. Did I enter it wrong? After I farm them, do I have to just buy more storage or can they be deleted to rewarm to the hdd?
This is awesome and comprehensive!!! Do you have an update for 2023? I’m a little late
I think it is not worth it
One of the more concise Chia startup videos out there.... question tho - can the plots be deleted off the temp drive (nvme) after it hits 100% plotting and farming is started on the final destination drive
*Hi Have you make any videos showing how to mine on cloud computing platforms like azure as aws ?*
Crazy how good this video was
Hey, do you recommande using 2 pcie in raid O for ploting i got 2x 1.92 tb and i can do 10 parallele with 64g ram
I have to do my homework on that so I'll make sure to mention it in the plotting guide!
Once your hard drives have been plotted, do you ever have to "replot" them or are they forever plotted, unless you change your wallet address?
so far you dont but there is a thing about the k32 k33 that I need to look more into I will do a full update on that topic in the next part of this video!
How long does it take for a plot to finish with a relatively fast nvme gen 4?
The only video you need to see on RUclips to start mining Chia. Thanks my friend. Will recommend and share for sure. Keep up the work and consistency. Your content goes great. Thanks for the deep information that helped alot. ❤️. LOVE from INDIA.🇮🇳
Its always a pleasure my friend thank you!!
Hi. I have a similar hardware setup. How much ware does this cause on your ssd & what's the life expectancy?
Depends on your TBW. I talk about it in the min specs part
One last question
Will I observe constant cpu work load 24/7 while plotting and will the ram be fully RESERVED for the plots ?...
The cpu workload is lessened after phase 1 but the ram I believe remains the same. The storage for sure remains the same
What do you use in the video to hold your mother board ?
Welcome back guys
Very good point I'll add that to the pinned comment!
Do we have to continously buy drives once its full or does it ease or go over the plots again confused how that works.
hey so i have a doubt, i have an i5 9400F, 16gigs of ram and about 8tb of HDD space i can arrange. (1060 6gb graphics card) to earn and profit a decent bit, how much should i upgrade my ram and do i need to make any other changes to my pc? mobo :- B360MD Asus
Is it valuable to buy these many hard drives and what if chia coin dumps?
@@Austin-fc5gs i am stuck with gpu mining for now
I will decide for chia in the future
@@RamanPlayz410 that might not be a good idea as your chance of “winning” or actually getting any rewards seems to be rapidly decreasing.
type of format wether exFAT or NTFS for external hdd, does this matter too? some said exFAT slower than NTFS
Hi i want to know if we cant re-use the hard drives after the mining? Like can we delete stuff and can re-use or the process damages the hard drive enough that its left to throw way.
Best Vid Out On Chia! Thank you watched 3 x.
Can One expect never stop , plotting as keep in race ahead of the ever expanding ( odds getting paid)?
I noticed the hard drives are out of stock over priced.
Do You see stopping at (1000 plots) or never stop buying HD and constant plotting.
( pools make this problem worst?)
One must keep ahead of this , until people drop out, Not getting paid ever.
More like playing Bingo.......Just keep buying more and more cards...
i card guy can win not very likely.
Thanks help
Mike
Thank you!! Yes right now it's a race for sure. If your planning to make good money out of this then youl constantly need to increase your plots which can get really expensive. Maybe once pools are public it will give more hope to small time miners like us
Why bother with Chia coins? it is new Soon be #2 coin .
No GPU's Needed, Lot easer build hard drives than GPU's
It politically better coin, low carbon foot print.
Proof of space & Proof of Time. No 1599 out there get you in July ( or when ever).
The bottle necks are the hard drives / plotting computer.
(A) As of last night and this morning I been able purchase on line ( no standing in line over night) $22 a Ter Bite same price as always been.
I am "Not Paying" $1,000 or $2,000 For a Seagate HDD ( least Not yet I will not)!
( B) You do a build end up one heck of a computer( all goes to 0 )
( C) by default you are creating your own server.( tons of space)
Best part Of Chia Is the way get people to quit.
Shows ( estimate ) how long it takes to "Win" And as more people get in harder it is .
Proof of work Miners are Very Poor choice for Chia, too slow.
Chia Is Not I say again It is NOT Mining it is Hidden investing( space and time)
( not proof of work Or Stake). You can sell off your plots.......
Chia Is like going to BINGO hall .
You playing ( against)with 60-80 year old women from church.
Every body has" a system ". Some old Gal just buy ( Plotting 1 plot ) 1 bingo card.
See some have 2 or 3 cards .....That one lady walks in , has A bag ( tricks). Has highlighter and clips and reading glasses.
She buys 50 -100 cards a round, has helpers to scan all the cards...( parallel plotting)
The Big round cage on stage started up and start reading off Numbers.
O 64! B 19 C 28 ect.
who going to win ?? well One lady Has one Card yells out Bingo!!!!
If she has right numbers 1 card will win. All people have mult(pool) cards cry out "Why"
Most likely that one lady , has all 50 100 ( plots) has better chance.
The one lady who on side line who has no cards is one only know for certain what out come for her is.
If Going play one card ....play one card.
Not going play any cards Great.
When the one person who has 50 - 100(plots or more) bingo cards walks out with the grand prize well not by accident.
( the Coins of Chia) most likely has played game long term.
5 years before see what Chia will become.
(2009 in world bit coin for Chia to day )
Mike
Oh question once the drives are full does it get wiped and starts from scratch what do you do with a drive that is full of the saved plots???
Why did you change your thread to 4 threads for log one and why not just keep it at 2? Moreover if I have 12 threads do I need to put it to 4?
For chiah coins network, are u able to withdraw from the mining wallet to an exchange remotely? Or must it be at the site of the mining rig…
What should be the average phase 1 plotting time for a 2tb nvme ssd?
Great Video, question i may have missed it, but what happens if you dont win?
Nice, I’ve been thinking about pulling the trigger on a chia rig. This vid should help with that decision, thanks.
Hope it does!
Great video, thanks! Question, what if I use 5 different computers to prepare hard drives for mining. Let’s assume I have 100tb space ready for mining, what will be approximate daily earnings?
Thank you! Depends on the computers, follow I'll be going more in depth on that in the next chia video!
So If i have 3 HDD (10 tb each) and 1 SDD (2 tb), I would plot from SSD then farm with HDD. What do you do after plotting, would you have to go back in the plotting menu and create another set to the same HDD?
Yes, you need to re-create plots until all your HDD full.
Question: can i use multiple HDD (final size) with different GB, like 5 HDD and merge them together in one partition, is it a good thing?
Yes for sure can!
Curious is it more "worth it" to go with 1 24 core 48 thread cpu to plot or go with multiple smaller core/thread cpus multiplying how many parralel plottings you can do ... seems like there would be a break even on 1 vr multiple speed vrs multiples at slower rates ... sorry if this isnt technical speak ... just curious (also the cost of the highest end cpu versus multiple lower ones)
So 256 gb temporary storage allows 1 plot ? So 2Tb hypothetically can allow 7 plots ?
What do you think about Chia now?
What if there's a power cut while plotting or farming?
I think you can guess. Probably a good idea to use a UPS.
Will it not be ok to, for instance, get a high-end laptop with 3 x usb slots and plug in 3 times 5gb hard drives in it. That means for eg. laptop is 2 tb and each hard drive 5tb that means 17 TB of space. Is it not that simple? What am I missing?
awesome video, thanks Mining Chamber!
Always a pleasure
I have slow internet access. How do I know if I have enough data for mining?
Lets say I have a 500 gb ssd and 1tb hdd, I will use ssd for plotting and use hdd for saving my plots. After the hdd full, what does happen? Does my mining (farming?) stop? Or I just sit and wait for win after hdd is full with plots and ssd’s job is over?
can i mine this together with monero? wont it lower my monero hashrate?
Can I run proof of work and proof of space at the same time? I have r7 7800x3d, 32gb 6400mhz and rx 7900xtx, 2 M.2 2+1tb
Was curious about Chia now that I've decommissioned a storage server from work. I guess I missed it or it's not going so well with 1 XCH being worth $32USD.....yikes
Your CPU is 4 core so doesn't that mean you can plot only 4 plots parallely? At 22:41 I think maybe you made a mistake? Pls. correct me if I'm wrong.
It comes down to your threads, 4 cores 8 threads. Each plot takes 4 threads in phase 1 then 1 thread only after phase one
@@MiningChamber Isn't it 2 threads per plot? An 8 thread cpu can plot 4 parallelly, I believe.
I'm just learning and starting on gpu mining very late compared to many... yet now I find out hard drive mining, WiFi hotspot mining helium, cpu mining etc
What to choose....
How many plots can I get for one 18th hard disc?
Can I use the same set-up, to farm other coins ?
So it damages the temporary drive and the final destination hard drives, i have a m2 on my pc i use for things but i have a slot for another so i could get that and use it for plotting to clean hard drives?
Does it damage anything else the cpu or anything?
Hi.. i connected everything as it shows in the video, but my rig doesn't turn on
What did i do wrong ???
Do you try to research filecoin for everyone to understand?
thanks bro
Nice thing is that most of my chia farming "investment" is stuff I wanted to buy anyway for later personal use: A 3900X, 32GB memory, a 64TB RAID5 enclosure, and an nvme drive (which I'm not actually using for plotting). The only real costs probably only for chia was an extra 5-bay enclosure for additional plotting. I have access to a few older SATA hard drives, so throwing ten or more of those at the plotter simultaneously is still reasonably fast but won't wreck any SSDs. Bonus: Since I have extra threads available, I can mine Verus with the cpu!
Nicee I like seeing creative ways, I need to look into verus for sure!
John, just don't use RAID for the actual long-term storage of the plots. You want to maximize your storage capacity to give you the largest number of plots possible. If you can find a used JBOD server that would be more ideal than the limited 5-bay enclosure (assuming you want to grow your Chia storage large).
this video is too good. competition incoming! :)
I was happy to hear: “is a green coin, is with hard drives” but then: for low budget you need a minimum of 8 cores and 1 high quality ssd. :(
Yes... Very efficient and "green"...
Quick questions, sorry for the newbie question, I noticed after a week of plotting/farming I would always hit 1/30 plots passed filter.
1. Is that 1/30 really accurate? just one?
2. also, are my connections correct?
my farmer and wallet are addressed to 127.0.0.1, while full nodes are connected to three different addresses
My worry is that I set this up based on the available tutorial over youtube (random people) and that I might be missing something. Can anyone help?
Do you think we can use 192 gb RAM disk for temporary storage instead of ssd ? Or can we even use normal hdd for temporary storage I just don’t like the idea of using ssds for temporary storage and wear them over time…
So, you can plot on one computer continuously, then save those plots on a harddisk, then bring that harddisk anywhere earth, separated geographically and have it mined altogether, a la hive mind, to a single wallet???
Possible to mix chia farming and bitcoin mining in a single PC ?? Can they run parallel??
hi having a good day/ evening . what happened when final desk full ,
1.insert new hard drive
2. still get money from previous hard drive .
3. can you explain plz thanks
when disk is full with plots then its just farming after, you can put new harddrive and plot it too after.
Would a older used server be good for chia farming since they have a lot of cores and ram?
I looked into servers alot some are really good but the speed of the processor also matters so you will be able to do more plots in parallel but it will be slower
This is a major problem here, they have plotting, farming, and harvesting. It's only the 'plotting' that requires a super-computer & NVME drive to make the plots. Once you have the plots you run the farming software which processes the plots and send the results to the block-chain/pool ( lets just say mother ), harvesting is when you have lots farms all processing at the same time. Yes, you can have a 20 year old dinosaur computer, but the problem is they only supported 4gb files up until 20 year ago; Also each plot is 108GB, so a 1TB drive will only old 8 plots, and most old computer's have 512MB hd's; Most of the USB 3.0 external stuff now like 18tb are great but your old computer doesn't support USB 3.0, but you can get a PCIE card to handle this. Mining (FARMING) doesn't require any special cpu, or memory, the farming uses less than 1GB of ram.
What I do is attach large TB HD's to my plotting computer and as they become full of plots I attach these HD's to old computers, I found that LAN networking doesn't work well, the plots need to be on the same system as their miner. Just like mining rigs with GPU's, you just rename every farmer with its own name, but you always use the same public-key for all your plots, on the WWW interface for HPOOL, all your farmers by name show up and how many plots you have, and how much you are making.
The only thing here difficult is "PLOTTING", e.g. actually making the plots. This requires a super-computer 8+ core,32+GB RAM, .. and 3+ SSD's&NVME's, your OS needs to have its own m2., your plotter needs to have its own NVME, your temporary target for new plots needs to have its own ssd ( here a slow sata will work ), and then you need to have tons of TB attached to the plotter to save the plots, which get generated every 6-8 hours, if you have a super-computer and NVME plotter.
Seriously this thing is marketed as green but its all BS, original bitcoin required 512mb of memory GPU mining requires 6gb gpus, and now space-mining requires 300GB of dynamic-ram to create a plot on a super-computer. All they have done is devise new ways to make stuff difficult, the entire narrative of using old computers, and that chia is green is 100% bs.
There is a gimmick here many people are now offering services of selling you 'plots', think about this for a moment, you pay $100, to make 10 cents/day, and lose 1/2 every week.
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Your question, I think is you think that your old computer can MAKE PLOTS, it CANNOT, but it can "farm-plots", I really don't know how to explain the difference, these people have really messed up language. In normal mining we just call it mining, our GPU's are looking for a magic-hash every 15 minutes, and the first to find it wins; Here its the same plotting is 'creating the lottery ticket', must be done on a super computer, after that, you can place your plots on old computers, if they have the storage ability to hold 10's of trillions of bytes of data.
I think it is, x79 motherboards and ddr3 ecc are in demand in china rn, they rose up in prices too because of that, It's actually harder rn to get one of those x79 motherboards from suppliers but not as hard as getting GPUs. I only have 2 of them left in stock here, i'm having trouble getting more of them from my supplier because the high demand they're in rn. It may be because gamers wanna get something for cheap that is decent or may be because they're good and cheap for chia miners.
one of the best youtubers that's I've ever seen !
Thank you!!
@@MiningChamber thanks , you deserve all support ! and I recommend your channel to many friends ! you really make some awesome video here !! waiting for the next chia video ^^
Great Job my dude!
Some questions from home-PC-farming perspective:
1) Is it possible to shut down plotting in the middle and have it continue (rather than start from scratch) after?
2) Does one know if it's ok to delete the plot being farmed because it already won? Or because one can be sure it never would win?
3) If one shuts down PC while farming and during the shutdown time it would appear one of the plots "won", would one know it after resuming farming?
4) Is it possible for several people to plot the same plot? For example, what happens if I compute one plot and then delete it? Would it be possible for anyone else to plot the same plot after that?
1.) NO
2.) Impossible, its like bitcoin sha256 hitting the same thing twice, the plotname is is a huge NONCE, a number that is only drawn once, now you could instance have people sell the same plot to many people online but people would never do that right?
3.) Plotting has nothing to do with mining ( farming the plots ) typically on your plotter you only make new plots, your miners are your harvesters on your farms of plots, any PC can be running a miner (hpool, or chia-farmer )
4.) sure but the first one who reports to the blockchain wins, and that will always be the largest pool, and this will always be HPOOL.
After mine( 2 chia).what we ll sell it.then again our hard disk ll free
Now let's hope I can get my hands on some suitable storage before everyone catches on. Already have a pretty boss spare system lying around. Would you recommend the Seagate firecuda drives?
Is it worth farming with a few spare hard drives on a system dedicated to GPU mining with a 4 thread CPU and 8GB of ram?
I found my pc port no.8444 is closed and check other ports also closed, if the 8444 port closed, does this can get the coin? I check other non mining computer, the port is closed, how to solve this problem?
if i have only one spare HDD can i devide it in 2 partitions one for tem.files and other part for final destination will that make any difference????
You must run chia-pos ( plotter ) using two temp paths called -t, and -2; -t is the path to the NVME drive; -2 is a path to a ssd-sata drive
when the plot is complete 8-12 hours for temporary storage to offload the plot from the -t disk, chia-pos will transfer the plot ( 108gb ) from -2 file to your -d ( destination ) hdd drive when the plot is complete ( 8-12 hours )
If you try and point either -t or -2 to physical drives you will destroy them, I tried this just for fun last month, and I killed a 2tb WD blue HDD. I could reformat it, sequential writing of large files formatted with linux ZFS format is fine for physcial HDD's, random access of 1.5 Trillion r/w is NOT normal usage for a HDD.
You must understand that during the 8-12 hour process of "Plot file creation" that 1.5 Trillion read/write are done randomly to the drive, no commercial drive is designed for this abuse. People buy "USED" SAS drives are just getting sold a 'bill of goods', these disks got retired for a reason.
NEW SAS drives cost more than high-end NVME's.
Lastly, never use partitioned drives for plotting, must be formatted ext 'ZFS', 'discard' on linux, you must frequently 'trim' the SSD or it will slow to a crawl, 'discard' tells the OS to clean (run fstrim ) the NVME, its not an automatic process.
@@flicka401 thanks for the info man
Great video as always! Your attention to detail is superb👌🏼
As far as Chia mining goes, without the pools enabled it really is more of a lottery and a long term gamble since there are so many factors involved which influence the reward, and all it would take is for a big corporation to set up the operation with a few warehouses and the "time to win" (which sounds like a casino anyway) would sky rocket as it already has given the amount of people getting into this. I fear that a lot of people will be stuck in a constant loop of chasing the "winnings" by buying more gear whilst racking up a massive electrical bill (which they might not even be able to afford) given that there is no earnings coming in from this venture, turning it more into a liability rather than a passive income generating asset.
Absolutely well said! Hopefully once pools are out it becomes more constant payouts rather than lottery
what happens if your farming for a while and want to move your plots to another drive? do those plots no longer work, or do they just have to sit on the new drive for some amount of time before they become possible winners again?
You simply just move them and nothing will change
Can u help me to buy all and setup this l. Whats the total random cost of this all
On selecting plot size, i have 50Tb, do i plot 500Gb size plots or 1Tb size plots? Whats the advantages of small and large plots?
No advantage, k32 is good - I talk about it in the video multiple times
@@MiningChamber ahhh facked! Now to delete 40 plots.. jeez
There is only one plot size right now supported by the mining-pool they call it k32, its 108gb. You can fit 8 of them on a 1TB drive. You can run the hpool sw on any computer that has a drive containing 'plots' attached.
When you 'plot' you run the cmd line "chia plot create -t ... -2 ... -d ..." you don't enter -k 32 because is the default, the only reason they have -k n is so you can make baby 1gb plots for 'testing the software'.
Hello. I am calling from Iran. I have a very small farm. It has been a few days since I encountered a problem in Chia Farm. The wallet syncs but the ful node does not sync and no matter what I do, it is not fixed. Please help me.
So yea one way to keep making money is to continuosly buying more Drives. But is it possible as well to format the drives every couple weeks and plotting them again?
You don't want to format and lose your plots, you want to accumulate as much plots as possible
@@MiningChamber Okay yea maybe not every couple weeks, but the plots are worthless once they got rewarded, right?
If so at some point it would better to fill the drives with new plots...
Idk maybe I misunderstood something 🤷
Mining Chamber,can you make videos how to achieve "10,000 plots" re: Plot:RAM:THREADS:SPACE to ratio, Please include hardware and cost. The return on the calculator is tempting. Regards.
what does the trade button do on the chia gui?
It doesn't really do anything as of now I believe, but I'd assume it's for trading your chia later or sending your chia
You're awesome, I've a question to save time we can buy plots using public farm key and connect it via farming machine of our wallet. What do you think about it?
I saw that I honestly have nothing against it yet but not very educated about it either. Il mention it in the next chia farming video
@@MiningChamber oh I myself took a risk and bought some plots it's in shipping for now, let's see how it goes. Btw awesome video man, love your work.
Hey there, would you recommend mining Ergo nowadays? It seems like even more profitable than Ethereum, or is it just a "one-hit-wonder"?
Does running T-Rex Miner on a private Home Wifi Network compromises other devices on the network for viruses?
If your pc is infected by any malware it can make it's way around your network. So just make sure you install the authentic version of trex
Allways 10 out of 10 video and guide!
after i filled my hdd's i can disconnect them ? o should they stay connect to PC
Does Chia integrate with Filecoin? I will check but seems like a good partnership.
Mining chamber going strong with chia farming,
😅🌱🌱
So would assigning one or two chia plots wear the storage drive down slower? I assume so, but HDD mining is a new concept for me currently.
Out of curiosity have you gotten past the syncing stage?
@@Metalandstuff464 Could you please elaborate on what you are asking? I haven't mentioned in my message that I was starting a chia miner and was asking how it wears down a storage device; such as if I section parts off in an attempt to prolong its use, would it last longer?
Also can I use several enterprise grade ssd (already got them) on raid for the temporary storage ? Or should I simply use the HDD for temporary and final storage ??....
You should always use ssd for temp storage, in the video I emphasis on that ;) enterprise grade ssd in raid will be great for temp storage. HDD is super slow so only use it as final storage
@@MiningChamber oh I thought u said we can still just go with the hdd for both temp and final storage, anyways thanks for making this clear 👍
Definitely you could RAID the enterprise grade SSD's to increase performance of generating plots. I would recommend using HDD's for the final storage (5400 RPM would be fine but the larger the better).
MC is right, use RAM disks for 'creating' the plot you use physical ( moving part ) drives for permanent storage of plots. Enterprise SSD's are fine for -2 temp, but if they're not up to NVME 4/16X PCIE level of performance, e.g. 5,000MB/S. I would be leary. Here's the deal SSD are usually SATA, and that is obsolete and slow its ok for -2 temp storage of the plot. For -t plot creation you must use a high-end NVME drive, chia-net advise the lowest end possible as the corsair MP-530 a $250 2TB NVME with a 3200 TBW warranty. My EVO 980 Pro's usually burnup at 100 plots, or 150TB which is 25% of warranty,
A normal SATA SSD drive will get destroyed by the -t chia-pos algo, its the work of the devil we say. Sata drives are designed for sequential, the plotting process is 1.5 Trillion random-read/writes. No Sata-SSD or HDD is designed for this abuse.
@@jeremyk3154 Go ahead and try it, but if beware to run chia-pos on anything your not willing to destroy. It destroys NVME drives and it destroys HDD's. I think if you had a new rack of RAID-0 drives and you wanted to sacrifice them to the chia-gods more power to you.
These people buying 'used' retired SAS drives and thinking they can do 20-30 plots per day are going to find out real quick why these drives got retired and sold on ebay for $30.
Most enterprise grade SSD's that are SATA are now considered obsolete, which is why they're all being sold. State of the art is NVME, enterprise grade. But very expensive, for a hobby that only makes your $10/day.
I have one question for plotting we give internal space (internal SSD) when plotting is done and shifted to farming on external hard drive. Will internal space free automatically or we have delete that file ??
It will automatically free up that is correct! only time you need to manually remove the temp files is if your plot crashes
@@MiningChamber thanks for reply you are best😎
So 1 plot requires 256 gb ssd,what about the hdd?Is it stored in compressed format?Ideal size/need to keep expanding?
Excellent video. You, Red Panda, BBT 🤙
Intel chips are more efficient than AMD for Chia plotting. There's a video comparing both in detail, it seems that what is more important is the single thread performance, which are better on Intel. Cheers!
My system creates a plot but it doesn't move to farming, what's wrong?
Can i use surveillance hard drives for plotting?
Yes
Brilliant video guide. Thanks man, much appreciated.
I came here to understand, now I have more questions and I'm confused O_o 😅😢💔
Then I did a bad job 😔
@@MiningChamber It's good mate
If you restart your computer, do you need to resync afterwards?
If you are plotting ( a 8-12 hour process) it cannot be interrupted, you lose all. If your are farming, e.g. connecting your plots to the Hpool, then you can start - stop the process anytime you wish.
'sync' is a blockchain terminology, you don't need to sync, or run the blockchain to plot or to mine (farm); If fact as of right now the entire chia-net blockchain is broken, and nobody can sync, they rushed to main-net on 5may2012 with buggie software. Nobody knows when the software will be fixed, and especially the pooling protocol from chia-net, its terminally challenged. Which is why chia-net hates HPOOL, cuz they have been up & running forever.
can i use i9-9900K for this computing ??