Evidence for the Shroud of Turin w/ Fr. Andrew Dalton
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- Опубликовано: 16 апр 2024
- Evidence for the Shroud of Turin w/ Fr. Andrew Dalton
Fr. Andrew Dalton provides an incredible explanation of the evidence supporting that the Shroud of Turin is the authentic burial cloth of Jesus.
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I watched a podcast about the Shroud of Turin with Father Dalton about a year ago and that same day God softened my heart and led me back to the Catholic Church.
Pints with Aquinas by any change? I watched that one too :)
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Yes!
@@birdsnlilies love that show
@@ArvidholdersYes, it was very instrumental in getting me interested in rediscovering my Catholic faith. And now this show R&T has helped me to continue in it and not go all crazy with the Rad Trad stuff.
Gosh, Ive watched so many folks on 'The Shroud of Turin'. Barrie Schurtz from the original team that examined it, Fr Spitzer...and of course Fr. Andrew on many channels I follow among many others over the years. It never fails to amaze! The museum in Turin is so worth a visit too!
I think the weirdest & most prudential & providential thing about the shroud is that it is a perfect photo negative & we only saw this fact hundreds of years after we knew its exact location which was hundreds of years before photography was invented! This alone is mind 🤯 blowing.
So many other corroborating evidence just expound on how utterly unique this gift to Christians 2K years later is.
He is Risen! The burial cloths St John & St Peter saw were there & found the way to us through time & providence as a tangible sign. ❤
Fascinating & amazing! Thanks Michael & Fr Andrew.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 *🎵 Overview of the Shroud of Turin*
- Introduction to the Shroud of Turin as the burial cloth of Jesus.
- Discussion on the historical significance and scientific study of the Shroud.
- Comparison with other relics and the role of relics in Christian tradition.
04:21 *🔍 Examination of the Shroud's authenticity*
- Exploring the historical background and tradition surrounding the Shroud.
- Investigation into the scientific evidence supporting the authenticity of the Shroud.
- Discussion on the implications of the Shroud's authenticity for Christian faith.
10:06 *🔬 Scientific analysis of the Shroud*
- Examination of the scientific methods used to study the Shroud.
- Analysis of the photographic effect and three-dimensional information encoded on the Shroud.
- Exploration of attempts to reproduce the Shroud's image and the challenges faced.
21:26 *🌟 Unique characteristics of the Shroud*
- Comparison of the Shroud with other historical artifacts and grave cloths.
- Highlighting the distinctive features of the Shroud, including its anatomical precision and surface penetration.
- Consideration of the Shroud's significance within the context of Christian belief and tradition.
23:25 *💉 Examination of the Blood Stains on the Shroud*
- Analysis of blood stains on the Shroud reveals postmortem blood, indicating separation of blood components after death.
- Sophisticated instrumentation allows for the study of chemical composition, distinguishing between postmortem and antemortem blood.
- Details such as the wound between the fifth and sixth rib correspond to biblical accounts and are now perceivable with modern tools.
27:45 *🩸 Examination of the Blood Stain Detail*
- Detailed examination of the blood stain between the fifth and sixth rib on the Shroud.
- The bifurcation pattern of the blood flow suggests movement of the body, consistent with crucifixion.
- Comparison with historical depictions and medical knowledge enhances understanding of the Shroud's authenticity.
30:31 *🤔 Discrepancy in Wound Depiction*
- Discussion on the historical depiction of nail wounds in the palms versus the Shroud's depiction of wounds in the wrist.
- Examination of anatomical factors and historical evidence supports the Shroud's depiction of nail wounds in the wrist.
- Theological implications of the wound depiction and its alignment with the concept of Stigmata are explored.
35:28 *📜 Historical Evidence and Chain of Custody*
- Tracing the chain of custody of the Shroud from historical records and touchpoints.
- Touchpoints include its presence in Adessa, Constantinople, and Europe, with documented appearances and references in various forms.
- Analysis of manuscripts, artifacts, and historical events supports the Shroud's antiquity and authenticity.
46:10 *🔍 Reevaluation of Shroud of Turin's Dating*
- Reevaluation of the 1988 dating test for the Shroud of Turin.
- Recent findings suggest that the sample used in 1988 is not representative and lacks homogeneity.
- Scholarly consensus is shifting, prompting a reconsideration of the Shroud's authenticity.
47:54 *📚 Recommendations for Further Study*
- shroud.com and aoniainternational.org are recommended resources for studying the Shroud of Turin.
- The postgraduate certificate in Shroud studies offers curated information from various experts.
- Books like "A Doctor at Calvary" and "The Shroud of Turin Research Project" provide insightful summaries for further study.
52:07 *🛠️ Challenges and Future Testing of the Shroud*
- Reluctance to conduct recent dating tests due to the previous controversial 1988 dating.
- The need for an international scientific consensus and methodology for future dating attempts.
- Historical mishaps in sample collection highlight the challenges and hesitancy in conducting new tests.
54:27 *🎥 Resources for Further Exploration*
- Recommendations to explore interviews on RUclips channels such as Matt Frad's "Pints with Aquinas."
- The launch of "Those Two Priests" RUclips channel featuring discussions on various topics, including the Shroud.
- Father Dalton's specialization in the Gospel of Matthew and his upcoming book on fulfilled Israel.
Fr. Dalton gave the Shroud presentation at my parish last year on Good Friday. It was such a powerful way to live the day of the Passion. My whole parish was incredibly edified and amazingly grateful.
I was recently at a conference speaking about the Shroud of Turin and Divine Mercy and one of the things that struck me was when they overlaid the original Divine Mercy image on the shroud the faces match up.
It's so beautiful that our Lord has given us His shroud. It has definitely strengthened my faith.
I agree. Medieval artists did not have access to the advanced technological tools we have today for creating three-dimensional images on a two-dimensional surface, such as computer graphics or 3D modeling software.
@@les2997 also dont forget that all these medieval artists/painters/sculpters made the nails in the palms of the hand, instead in the wrists, the romans for sure knew where to put the nails, that reason alone makes for me the number 1 reason that the shroud is legit!
@@commendatore2516 There are blood details on the Shroud of Turin that are visible only under UV radiation, which wasn't known in medieval times.
@@les2997 yeah i know, among other things, the medieval guy couldnt have known! only a dumb person would make the assumption that a 1200 guy could do this job
Fr. Andrew is absolutely brilliant and so eloquent. He had a debate a while back with a theologian, Mark Goodacre, who was skeptical of jthe Shroud's authenticity at Duke U. I've rarely seen such a one-sided debate. Fr. Andrew demolished him. I later saw Goodacre in a Shroud film and he seemed much more open to the Shroud being authentic. That's how convincing Fr. Andrew is.
Clarification: Mark Goodacre is a Protestant biblical scholar.
Always appreciate Andrew's Shroud presentations, I'm curious Michael, given my show presentation on the Shroud and now Andrew's are you a believer on your end or are you still a little skeptical? One thing, I would like to answer Michael's objection is about what if the Romans killed one or more of Jesus' followers in the same way as Jesus to mock him. Now, in the first place I don't think this is historically or theologically likely at all, but for argument's sake, even if this did happen and the Shroud belonged to one of Jesus' followers who were mock killed to reflect Jesus' treatment, this still does the following; i) Attests to Jesus treatment as disclosed in the Gospels and ii) Provided the scientific evidence related to the physical and chemical properties of the Shroud images merits belief in their miraculous formation, then this would still represent divine attestation from God that Jesus had been scourged and crucified for our sins and imply Ressurection via the body leaving the cloth in a miraculous way (both essential Gospel beliefs of Christianity). So, arguably, either way, this would still be a miracle regardless and thus provide attestation to the truth of core Christian beliefs.
Michael, if you havent seen it, Metatron did an excellent video looking at the Shroud from a purely historical and factual perspective without comment on whether its a relic or medieval hoax. He leaves it up to the viewer to decide. Metatron is a devout Christian but his channel mainly looks at history through a linguistic lens using primary and secondary sources.
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Love this video. Jesus is king! JESUS JESUS JESUS!
Fr Carlos Martin was able to obtain a thread from the shroud that he uses effectively in exocisms
do you recall where you learned this?
@@btgaston either one of his podcasts or the exorcist files. He said he believes it to be the burial cloth of Jesus
In 1988, the Vatican submitted small samples taken from the shroud to three laboratories in different countries. After the laboratories subjected the samples to radiocarbon dating, each one concluded that the shroud was from the 13th or 14th century!
@@sunnyjohnson992You didn't even bother watching the video, did you?
@@sunnyjohnson992 yes and that happened because the samples (which were cut from ONE sample) tested, was cloth that contained newer cloth due to repairs made in medieval times.
Great video. F Dalton is about the most knowledgeable person i have ever heard discussing this
true, but for sure there is also this gentleman who knows also very much about the shroud, its Dr, William Guy, you should watch him, he is very intelligent, i have links of him if you want>?
On a lighter note - can someone explain the tempo of the tune at the beginning?
Love your videos, but intro music is terrible
Outstanding video! I truly appreciate this!
Great video. I have a question: I noticed at the end of the video that Mike made the Sign of the Cross going first to the right shoulder and then to the left shoulder. Why?
Because I'm an Eastern Catholic. We do the sign of the cross the original way, which is how Latin Catholics used to sign themselves too until they changed it.
@@ReasonandTheology thank you so much for your quick response. That clarifies my question. Great channel and videos!
At the moment of conception, when the sperm makes contact with the egg, an emission of light is observed. This is a result of zinc being released by the egg due to the chemical reaction between egg and sperm.
Similarly at the moment of Christ's resurrection, when life is brought into the body, perhaps an emission of zinc (or something similar) is produced. This release of zinc could perhaps emit enough photoradiation to create an image on the shroud.
I only read about this release of light when the egg is successfully fertilized has been proven! My immediate reaction was when a whole body is reanimated “ There are approximately 36 trillion cells in the human body so …….!
The shroud seems to be an evidential touchstone left by our lord. No physical proof skeptics say…
“How’s this ??”
Thank you.
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Wonderous. Thanks.
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I had presented the same thesis in an article in the Examiner 1988 Mumbai. I agree,the shroud may never satisfy the C14 test for real dating
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At the moment of conception, when the sperm is fused with the egg, a burst of light is emitted. This light (or fluorescence) is the result of zinc being released by the egg as the sperm makes contact. Similarly, could it be that at the moment of Christ's resurrection (i.e. life being infused into a body), an emission of zinc was produced thus resulting in the image produce on the shroud?
Three different Carbon Dating centres came to the same conclusion, it was dated to mediaeval times.
That was refuted in this video. You commented without watching 🤦
@@ReasonandTheologywhere in the video was the carbon dating refuted? What you have here is a Catholic Priest madly in love with the shroud floundering about trying to prove it's authenticity, I'm not suggesting it's not real but there is no evidence in your video to prove it is the burial shroud of Christ....it would be interesting to retest but I don't think the Catholic Church will agree.
@@Goodboy-ip7ue As all non-morons know, it was almost *20 years ago* that Dr. Ray Rogers, a scientist at Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories in New Mexico, *proved* that the carbon testing was done in error as the sample taken was from non-original part of the Shroud. The Shroud of Turin is 2000 years old. And well over 100 different scientist, doctors, anthropologists, and other highly trained researchers and their *tens of thousands* of hours of study have _proven_ that the Shroud of Turin was not made by some medieval mad genius in his hut somewhere.
V@@beverlyhurd8556Did the morons at Cambridge and Zurich also get dud samples?....to it's credit the Catholic Church will neither deny or confirm that the shroud is 2000years old, but the non morons keep coming up with excuses, you have no clue as to the date of the shroud.
In their 1989 reporting on the Shroud, the labs claimed "acceptable deviation" (5%). Once the "raw data" was released in 2017, their errors and data manipulation were revealed. After analyzing the 700+ pages from the labs Prof Emmanuela Marinelli, Tristan Casabianca, and a host of statisticians found that the actual chi-square value from the data was 1.04% - NOT 5%. This is significant deviation. Objectively speaking, the carbon dating test of 1988 was invalid. It happens about 20% of the time because of contamination variables. It is no longer an issue in the scientific community.
Linen stripes. Read the bible
What exactly are "linen stripes" and where are they in the Bible? Care to share?
Growing up protestant I was told using relics to strengthen your faith meant you had weak faith
It's not a question of faith, really. Relics are things that test your faith rather than strengthen it.
But when you look upon a relic with faith, it renews your hope and gives you a new strength. They are truly mediums to touch God.
We’re told all sorts of things by Satan to test and shake our faith.
The earliest data is ...1 Corinthians 11:14,i.e., the historical Jesus did not have long hair; only the sect of Nazarines and homosexuals had it (The New Jerome Biblical Commentary, 2011, by Jerome Murphy-O'Connor O.P). Use reason@H.Spirit(also CCC 110) and not fake certificates!
Who told you those incredible lies? And, for real now, you actually believed this guy? That's pretty sad really.
When it comes to the passage from I Cor. 11:14-15, one must remember that it was written at least 20 years after the death of Jesus. Closer study will reveal that it is simply Paul's personal opinion and certainly not a regulation which would have applied to Jesus during his lifetime. As the Shroud _clearly_ proves, Jesus of Nazareth most certainly did have long hair.
@@beverlyhurd8556 ??All the Scripture is just a personal opinion of writers who wrote i!. Your arguments @this expert in video from the Vatican are BS
@@krzysztofciuba271 Wow. Scripture is, in your mind anyway, just someone's personal opinion and not the word of God?? Oh sweet Jesus. Not much doubt about your mental health. Phew! Poor guy! 🤦♂
See Leviticus 19:27. The Law of Moses prohibited Jews from getting haircuts. Short hair was the style of the Roman occupiers.
Paul was trying to distance himself from Judaism. His opinion did not over-rule Jewish Law.
Sir, you have an obvious prejudice against the authenticity of the Holy Shroud and are just grasping at straws in your feeble attempt to ignore this fabulous gift from God.