I'm a 70 year old man and i believe it's the real deal. I think i would break down and cry if i could see it in person. What they did to Jesus was horrible. Great interview thank you and God bless
@James-ll3jb wow James, like they say there's no fool like some old fools. I'm proud to announce you are in that category. Can't wait for you to stand before our Lord and savior Jesus. Watching you shake and cry before him will be a sad moment for you, after all it was your choice.
@@sheseesyou . I see. Delight in watching the suffering of others is called sadism, my friend: an ancient Catholic tradition: "Yes, and there are other sights: that last day of judgment, with its everlasting issues; that day unlooked for by the nations, the theme of their derision, when the world hoary with age, and all its many products, shall be consumed in one great flame! How vast a spectacle then bursts upon the eye! What there excites my admiration? What my derision? Which sight gives me joy? Which rouses me to exultation? - as I see so many illustrious monarchs, whose reception into the heavens was publicly announced, groaning now in the lowest darkness with great Jove himself, and those, too, who bore witness of their exultation; governors of provinces, too, who persecuted the Christian name, in fires more fierce than those with which in the days of their pride they raged against the followers of Christ. What world's wise men besides, the very philosophers, in fact, who taught their followers that God had no concern in ought that is sublunary, and were wont to assure them that either they had no souls, or that they would never return to the bodies which at death they had left, now covered with shame before the poor deluded ones, as one fire consumes them! Poets also, trembling not before the judgment-seat of Rhadamanthus or Minos, but of the unexpected Christ! I shall have a better opportunity then of hearing the tragedians, louder-voiced in their own calamity; of viewing the play-actors, much more dissolute in the dissolving flame; of looking upon the charioteer, all glowing in his chariot of fire; of beholding the wrestlers, not in their gymnasia, but tossing in the fiery billows; unless even then I shall not care to attend to such ministers of sin, in my eager wish rather to fix a gaze insatiable on those whose fury vented itself against the Lord. This, I shall say, this is that carpenter's or hireling's son, that Sabbath-breaker, that Samaritan and devil-possessed! This is He whom you purchased from Judas! This is He whom you struck with reed and fist, whom you contemptuously spat upon, to whom you gave gall and vinegar to drink! This is He whom His disciples secretly stole away, that it might be said He had risen again, or the gardener abstracted, that his lettuces might come to no harm from the crowds of visitants! What quæstor or priest in his munificence will bestow on you the favour of seeing and exulting in such things as these? And yet even now we in a measure have them by faith in the picturings of imagination." -- Tertullian, "De Specula" (ch. 30). "by faith"-per fidem...thus it is written! Do get some psychiatric help!
Bob emphasizes the pure science behind the image formation and the pathology related to it. So many sceptics are quick to pass it off as a fake, but none come up with an explanation as to how it was faked. That aside, very few people are able to make any judgement because they don't have the physics, chemistry and photographic knowledge to do so. Bob has no other option but to use highly technical language because the shroud takes science to the limits of our knowledge - and beyond.
How can you say you’re a born again believer in God if you say you’ve always had doubts ! Yeshua/ Jesus said that a double minded man is unstable in all his ways. Please don’t think this old man and born again Christian is being mean I’m not ! I’m coming to you out of pure love and truth without being born again no man will see God. I’ve been a believer since I was a boy but I’ll never forget the day I first laid eyes upon the Shroud it only confirmed what I already knew. Please just make certain your salvation is real because the rapture could happen at any moment. God bless and good luck.
@jeffi854 I think what he meant is that he had doubts regarding the authenticity of the Shroud, which is fine. Christians are not obligated to believe in its authenticity. Although, I do think that has a lot to do with Christians not bothering to look into the Shroud in-depth. As for the rapture at any time I have to say that's a false doctrine, brother. Jesus is to remain in heaven until it's time for the restitution of all things, as we read in Acts 3:21. Even if Acts 3:21 is speaking of a period of time from one point to another and not one particular moment, we read in Revelation 20:4-5 that the dead who go through the Tribulation are a part of the dead who rise first in the first resurrection upon the 2nd coming of Christ. If the dead in Christ rise first, including those who go through the Tribulation, then the rapture can't happen at any point before then because those of us who are alive and remain will "be caught up" after them (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).
An Italian study published April 2022 used X-ray crystallography to date the Shroud. They analyze the twisting of the fibers of the linen over time and compare with linen with known dates. The shroud is from Christ’s time and after 45 years of atheism I became a born again Christian. I did not major in nuclear engineering but I did go to Fermilab in high school and studied a bit of particle physics there. I went onto chemistry, genetic engineering, biomedical engineering, got a law degree. X-ray crystallography is something I understand having studied The Double Helix by Watson. I also sew and oil paint as a hobby. My grandma taught me a sewing technique called “darning“. A repair can be done invisibly. And there is no paint on this cloth. There might be a few paint particles here and there but it’s not painted. I remember the shroud coming out as a kid. And then the carbon dating. And I was so disappointed that it was a fake. But it’s not fake, the carbon dating is not accurate for some reason. I am not ready to discard the repair theory. The carbon dating could also be altered with the burst of energy. It would be interesting to test other samples from the tomb of Christ.
I'm glad to do it. I was an atheist for 45 years. I was interested in the new dating of linens and was amazed to find it was from Christ's time. Then I looked at all the other tests and data, expecting that it would be proven fake. I was shocked after my study. And ashamed by my disbelief. That Shroud proves the resurrection of Christ. I am a born again Christian and my faith has never wavered. There are no excuses. All must believe in Christ and this new proof for us scientists makes me wonder if the rapture is near. Mathematicians have proved on paper that there are many other words beyond our own which we cannot see. The existence of the soul seems very logical. God bless those with natural faith. There's plenty of evidence without the Shroud, and now my eyes are open to see all that as well. And the funny thing is, with God's grace and wisdom by my side, I am a lot smarter than I was before. God bless us in these troubled times.
Glad to hear that your eyes were finally opened. You can thank God for that, since no one comes to Him unless He draws them, And I do understand from my own experience what you mean about becoming smarter. (God enlightens our minds). @@60sGirl123
It could be anyone on that sheet? So none of Jesus's teachings touched you, yet an old shroud made you become a Christian? Wow!! The lab in Arizona tested another ancient shroud & the result was dated to the 1st Century. The scientist said "I bet the shroud people wished they'd had this result" The Roman crucified thousands & thousands of people, 200 per day got crucified outside the walls of Jerusalem & that went on for weeks. Men were crucified from Jerusalem to Cambridge, even now some still have the nails still in the bone. It could be anyone.
It was proven 20 years ago by a housewife that learned about ancient weaving techniques that all three areas where they took samples to Carbon date patches and repairs along the edge of the shroud. they basically took three samples from the same place. It was a medieval repair it’s not even the same weaving pattern. I thought everybody knew this. She published several articles in major journals and got awards for it. Read the book the hidden history of the shroud of Turin.
@briandillon8041 Yes, it was Sue Benford, the late wife of Joe Marino, who discovered and started the invisible cotton-weave mending idea that was later proved to be true by Ray Rogers and thus put into question the whole subject of the 1988 carbon dating, but Bob Rucker here dismisses all this. He makes a distinction between the Oxford University carbon dating and the other two (Zurich and Arizona) when we have been informed that the Oxford "scientist" has admitted, after 29 years and pressed by Freedom of Information query, that his team came up with the Medieval date after they took an average of dates they found with the carbon dating, which is a ridiculous idea for who takes an average od dates? Mr Rucker ignores this and also dubiously claims that he has tested the whole of the Shroud, not just the controversial area from where the carbon-dated sample was taken. He also makes the rather laughable suggestion that those who handled the Shroud left traces on it from their cotton gloves! I used to respect Mr Rucker but I think he is mistaken.
It seems very likely to me that the resurrection power of God in raising Jesus from the dead would make that image on the burial cloth. Recently I saw a video about the image of the shroud being blurred in some areas because he was actually unfolding His hands and moving to stand. All I can say is Hallelujah! He is alive, and God took a "photo" to prove it!
"Naturalism" is an "ism", not really "science" which always allows for not-yet-known truths. It's great to have a professional scientist who truly understands scientific practice to explain this matter. Furthermore, the details of the information are highly relevant and convincing. Thanks a lot, Mr. Rucker!
What more evidence than, the shroud of Turín has been the most studied object in the entire world and scientists are still intrigued about that piece of fabric with a 3D image imprinted on it.
"The most studied object in the entire World" lols. What is the reference for that claim? And what other objects are we talking about? Chemicals, Pharmaceuticals, Aeroplane Engines, Computers? They all comes second to that Medieval sheet?
J’ai 81 ans. J’ai subi un terrible accident de moto à 40 ans. 3 mois entre vie et mort et un an de rééducation. Je suis monté par un tunnel noir vers un point lumineux qui se révélait être un amour immensément riche. J’ai appris que j’allais continuer à vivre sans aucune séquelle. Et c’est ce que j’ai vécu. Les médecins m’ont dit que ma récupération était un miracle. Il y a un après la mort. C’est mon grand père qui m’a accueilli et qui m’a annoncé que j’allais continuer à vivre parce que j’avais encore des choses à connaître. Et j’ai connu toutes ces choses.
One of the things that the average person doesn't understand (MAINLY BECAUSE OF INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY BY MANY SO CALLED SCIENTISTS) is that carbon dating is completely unreliable. Why? Because we still don't actually know how fast carbon dissipates from different materials under different environmental pressures. It really grinds my gears that we've known this for decades now, and yet we're still talking about and using carbon 14 dating.
True. Even though it has been over 18 years since Dr. Ray Rogers _proved_ that the carbon dating was done in error, there are, incredibly, still some not so bright people out there that want to call it a fake. Boggles the mind it does.
@@jeffreyerwin3665 Well, you can accept it as valid if you wish. But after Dr. Rogers proved that it was not even close to accurate then I am going to accept his findings. Really, in this day and age I know of no one that still believes that the 1988 carbon dating was done properly.
I always understood that is why they give an estimate of + or - number of years for the precise reason you gave; the dearth of variables that impact the dating process. Of course it has been habit of most of these "public presentations" of such results that they typically dumb down and oversimplify the results, which leads to the erroneous conclusions we see to this day. Most documentaries these days do the same thing. The producers and directors think the audience cannot figure stuff out for themselves. Seems to me the most logical answer is that they also dated the wrong material. They dated the repair material and not the original material.
@@pamelablankenship3139 The results showed that the famous cloth did not date back to the time of Christ's crucifixion in the first century A.D. In fact, the cloth seemed to have been manufactured sometime between 1260 and 1390 A.D. The team concluded the Shroud was nothing more than a medieval hoax.21/04/2023
@@AshimDas-s4p We know how gravity works, thanks to Isaac Newton, who discovered the laws of gravity. We engineer our spacecrafts with these laws in mind..
Thank you, Mr. Rucker, for not accepting the naturalist's, or atheist's, limitation of the debate to a Godless framework with their "god of the gaps" logical fallacy. God is the creator and in control of nature and the laws that govern his creation. He is the ultimate Scientist and created it. Science is not scientific without Him.
In an age where some recognize only what science yields, I better understand why the Shroud has been called the "Fifth Gospel." If the evidence is incontrovertible, one is inevitably confronted with considering the possible source behind what made the image on the Shroud. One might have to reorient one's worldview. Integrity requires one goes where the evidence leads.
"Presupposition of naturalism before you look at the evidence you decide the only allowable explanations are those that are consistent with our current understanding of the laws of physics. But there is no validity to that assumption either philosophically nor by means of scientific experimentation." Well said.
Yes, just a quick comment. Herringbone linen is virtually indestructible. And the shroud is handmade. I am lining up a guitar strap made out of herringbone linen (and they’re NOT cheap). The material will last virtually forever. Praise God! And yes, I hold that the shroud is real. And yes, I have a doctorate in the hard sciences and I’ve looked at the evidence and understand the terminology. Thanks for this channel!
I have watched a few videos with Rob and he fills me with enthusiasm. I would love to have such a brilliant mind like his. So when there is someone of Robs prowess as a Christian it is a real comfort. Wow what a great guest to have on.
I am 78 years and went to Catholic grammar and high school. As I got older by the time I graduated from high school I was an atheist. I went to to college and graduated in mechanical engineering. After about ten years I reading a book about the shroud of Turin and it fascinated me. As I read more books about it I was convinced Jesus rose from the dead and the shroud could not be duplicated and will not be duplicated in the future. So I never became a believer by faith but by knowing. I have always said as Jesus said you believe because you see, blessed are the ones who do not see but believe as he said to Thomas. I think the shroud was a gift that Jesus left for people like me.
I LOVED listening to Bob Rucker's explanation of how the Image was formed and what caused the "medieval C14 dating". Having just read Joe Marino's new article on the invisible reweave, I have a suggestion: How about getting the 2 of them together to discuss their differing points of view re the cause of the C14 medieval dating? Thanks Mike! I always enjoy your podcasts!
Thank you so much Gentlemen! I am so very thankful and so blessed that the Lord God wrote the truth on my heart and blessed me with the faith I have ! I have never seen nor examined the 'Shroud of Turin', but I believe that it is 100% authentic.
In my simple mind I try to think of it like his body being transported as in a Star Trek beam me up way....that said I truly believe it's 100% authentic...great program, thank you.
I have heard that one of the test team said that they took the test material from one of the patches . It had fire damage repaired in the time period of when they said it was from.
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Bob Rucker is awesome and this interview and discussion were excellent. However, he made a mistake at 44:15 to 44:30 in this video, where he erroneously asserts that Ray Rogers "doesn't say whether the cotton fiber that he found was just on the surface of the fibers or frizz (sic) or whether it was embedded in the twisted linen." However, Rogers did say such. Rogers had Bob Villareal of Los Alamos Nuclear Lab examine the fibers from the subsamples of the Shroud samples that Rogers had (taken from the same area of the Shroud that the C-14 test samples were obtained from) and Villareal found that there were cotton fibers embedded in the twisted linen and that such were held together with the linen fibers by a glue and resin. Villareal reported such to Rogers, and Rogers told the world. Moreover, from 2000-2018, the three labs that did the C-14 testing examined their remaining subsamples of the C-14 test samples and they all found cotton fibers embedded in the linen fibers and held together with the linen by glue and resin. The Oxford University lab published an article about this in its Archeometry journal in approximately 2019-2020. Thus, Rucker was mistaken in asserting Rogers did not say such. What happened was that some very meticulous seamstress nuns patched up a corner of the Shroud (the corner where the C-14 samples were taken from) because that corner was badly damaged over the years. They took some cotton cloth and fibers, then used the so-called invisible re-weaving technique to patch up such damaged corner. The "invisible reweaving technique" was quite more than just re-weaving, as it involved undoing some of the linen fibers and then twisting and bonding the linen and cotton fibers together using glue and resin to blend the cotten fibers into the linen fibers, and then applying a coloring agent to cause the cotton to have the same color as the linen so that it would all look like linen. The C-14 testing samples were taken from that repaired corner, and that corner fluoresces differently than the entire rest of the Shroud, thus indicating it is of a different material (cotton). These are indisputable facts.
I used to not care about the Shroud thinking it was just a silly catholic relic. After researching this for several years now there’s only one possibly. This cloth is a negative photo of Jesus coming back to life. A photo of the point of resurrection. Jesus is alive and the Shroud is evidence of that.
I heard them say it was a woven in cotton repair expertly done & died to match the rest of the shroud done in the 1500. They took the sample to be carbon dated from this repair area.
This was a great chat! Bob answers several questions and addresses comments on his previous interview! (link to the original: ruclips.net/video/LVeZKQLyYKI/видео.html)
Still say the shift in the carbon date is because the shroud was never a closed system. It was exposed to open air (and the smoke from fresh burnt incense for centuries, which WOULD skew the date. Not to mention being completely engulfed in smoke from the fire from 1532 and thus saturated in the carbon from the age of the wood burnt. Even if they cleaned the soot off perfectly at the time of testing, it was still contaminated the whole time, skewing the ratio of parent and daughter isotopes.
It is real until proven otherwise. The shroud has been studied more than any other artifact. They still cannot figure out how the image was created by a human and the reason for that could be because it wasn't.
I’ve seen that too. People who were involved with the 1978 tests have said that the carbon dating, which wasn’t done for another 10 years, was supposed to be based on 7 samples from all over the shroud, but ended up being completely based on that section that was known to have been repaired. It’s been surmised that the British Museum, who did the carbon dating, wished to debunk the authenticity of the shroud.
And they were paid 2.5 million in today’s dollars. And they threw out very important protocols, one of which you mentioned. Personally I believe it was a brilliant PR maneuver worthy of the best political operatives. Bobs hypothesis is very plausible too.
I understand what Rucker is proposing with the coronal discharge hypothesis - the involvement of electrons. But how would such a mechanism result in an image with "no side images" (the Shroud has no ears, no sides from head to foot)? This seems to be an unanswered question which his hypothesis cannot explain. Whereas, if gravity were involved, this could account for a lack of side images as the cloth flattened out, collapsing through the body. So whether one subscribes to the Fall-Through Hypothesis or the Coronal Discharge Hypothesis,(Prof. Guilio Fanti & Rucker) both have some unanswered questions. Perhaps God's ways are not our ways - and the "mechanism itself" had a supernatural character. Thank you for being such a gracious host.
I heard that the body became inter dimensioned and nuclear energy projected from the pores, causing an x-ray and a burst of radiation marked the shroud. N space if I remember. But an easier way to understand was the glory of God as Christ rose from the dead bodily.
I believe he says the radiation is coming from outside the body and as such the electrons are at a 90 degrees top and bottom of the body thus none are going through the sides. Go to more of his web sites and he can explain it. I believe he says the electron field is coming from a outside the body not from within thus no side image.
Super brilliant guy and truly fascinating conversation!! Some of what he said was kind of confusing to me, as the carbon dating samples that dated the Shroud from the Middle Ages were taken from a cotton patch woven into the Shroud by nuns in the Middle Ages. People might not be aware that a fire in the Middle Ages had scorched the Shroud (which is 100% linen). I'm a new subscriber, and the several guests I've seen, plus your interviewing questions, are fantastic! 😊
GREAT INTERVIEW! Loved when the Scientist said “ME”, “I can prove it was Jesus!”, I hope when we get to Heaven we can watch a movie of the actual RESURRECTION
I had a discussion yesterday saying I can't wait to know all the wonders of God. Just amazing. We are Hus artwork and He, the artist, actually signed his name in our DNA. So amazing! He thought on of everything and his timing is perfect. If you like prophecy go to Johnathan Can and watch God or coincidence. It's about his book, the Oracle, but God or coincidence is a better intervie
The discussion about cotton fiber contamination seems to confirm the issue with the Carbon dating sample. The Carbon dating method is not in question it's the pre analytical process involving the sample. It's hard to have confidence in a flawed process. I would also point out that the same naturalistic bias could have influenced the scientists who obtained the sample. Their bias may have contributed to breaking the sample collection protocol and flawed statistical analysis.
It makes perfect sense that even with so much evidence of the Shrouds authenticity that some people would still want more proof. It has gotten to the point, that, with these types of people, if all the scientist and scholars of the world authenticated the Shroud publicly they would still doubt it. If the Lord Himself came down and spoke directly to them they would still doubt whether or not it actually happened. We can only explain to them lovingly and patiently what we know and what we believe as truth and why we believe it and then simply walk away leaving the rest of it between them and the Lord. It's not our job to convince them, our only requirement is to love and respect them. There is so much uncertainty and confusion nowadays just as the scriptures promised us would happen in the days just before He returns. The evidence on or in the Shroud leaves us very little uncertainty as to it's authenticity. Giving us the perfect amount of evidence and/or proof that anyone in modern days really needs in order to believe that His existence and His Resurrection as absolute truths. The science behind the study of the Shroud is enough evidence for any conviction in any courtroom setting today. Interesting side note to ponder is that the scriptures say He will return in 2,000 years and apparently scholars believe He died around the year 30 AD. So, that brings us to an approximate year of about 2030 AD??? Just food for thought...
Having "SEEN" things that this world and the devil says "CAN NOT BE"!! Having Heard my Masters voice.. along with science not able to prove a FAKE!! I will say.. on both FAITH AND SCIENCE....IT IS R+E+A+L.. THE WORLDS FIRST SELFIE ....... OUR SAVIOUR!!
Please do not call it a selfie - the narcissistic compulsory snapshots taken habitually every step of the way just to prove that you are great, you are having fun and you are so cool......
@@kbeetles in all love and humility.. Exactly my Point! His was the First..Meant the Most! We Must Die to Self.. Because HE gave his Life for Us..I CAN DO NO L-E-S-S! God Bless All!!
The re-weaving was done on a small area to repair worn edges.. the sample dating sample was inadvertently taken from that repaired area where cotton threads were interwoven with the linen threads existing in the original fabri c
Has any one compared the image on the shroud to the shadows that was left by the two atomic bombs to see if it was the same or similar energy that caused each images
The sample tested was proven to be from a repaired portion on the Shroud. The reason it dated much later was that cotton was woven into the linen. Its astonishing that this guy doesn't know of this discovery as interested in the Shroud as he is.
@jeffreyerwin3665 I believe that Ray Rogers...in conjuction with the peer reviewed study of Benford and Marino proved the 1988 C-14 dating of the Shroud to be worthless. Furthermore, I believe there was/is a vested interest from the scientific community to latch on to anything they can spin to try and "sell" the narrative that it's not the burial cloth of Jesus. Simply put, I don't trust most of them.
Some people won’t give god the time of day to prove or disprove and yet the shroud shows the true power of the universe in one man and this man is part of the god that made everything 😊
The lightning objection something I could of thought someone bringing up. Glad he brought that up. I'm not nearly as educated as this man. That being said I've always thought the proof of the shroud was proof of the miracles. To me it just goes to show us how remarkable God made us. Jesus thought the apostles how to do miracles. So who's the say we can't with God's grace?
The fingers show movement. There is multiple bursts of radiation the hands shift and move. There are images of the hands where you can see a second position of the same hand. The shroud captures the re-animation of Jesus at the moments of resurrection. I think that you can also see the slight Xray imaging of teeth around the mouth area. The radiation (light) came from inside of the body.
(40:55) from what i understand about Jewish law around the time of the crucifixion, they weren't allowed to mix fabrics (Leviticus 19:19: _you shall not put on cloth from a mix- ture of two kinds of material)._ granted, the Shroud isn't actually _clothing,_ but according to Barry Schwartz, the _only_ cotton ever found on the original portions of the Shroud were simply remnants from the cotton gloves the scientists used to handle it. that said, why can't _both_ explanations be true (Rucker's hypothesis that neutrons caused the image on the cloth and that later repairs caused an altering of the carbon dating results)?
Prof. Raes also found cotton from his sample taken a few years before the STURP team examined the Shroud. See: "Verdict on the Shroud" by Stevenson and Habarmas.
This carbon dating of the shroud that places it in a later time period actually lines up perfectly with the "phantom time hypothesis". Just remember, that before the invention of the nuclear clock all means of time keeping were a product of their time, mistakes could have easily been made with rudimentary tools during the dark ages when roman technology was lost. And we already know that there are some major fundamental flaws with the carbon dating process, many artifacts from that time period come up with inconclusive data when carbon dated, a lot of it gets guessed based off of with the item is and what we already know about the time period it might have originated from..
Great video, thank you. A question, comment for Mr. Rucker: at 23:10 you discuss someone asking "how do you know the Shroud is Jesus?" From what I understand, although there are many shrouds from many crucified individuals, NONE have an image of the person crucified burned/scorched/transferred onto the burial cloth. This makes it unique of all of the other shrouds. There may be blood stains but no photographic images. Is this correct? Given that, Jesus is the only one that rose from the dead and left us a still-life photo of the event...that's how we know.
He described the image on the burial shroud as the result of a "vertically columnated burst of radiation" hypothesis. It all happened in a literal billionth of a second (time), and with several billions units of radiation (power) but was still a low level radiation burst that did not carbonize, nor vaporize or otherwise destroy the burial cloth. ❤
How come no one is thinking Ron Wyatt's discovery of the biblical Ark of The Covenant in Israel on which was deposited our Christs' blood type AB (tested by Ron in a prominent lab in Israel) and other 3 prominent labs outside of Israel, all claiming authenticity as AB, which eventually when collated with Shroud blood and tested will prove undeniably as that of none other than Christ Himself (local time 22:23 Goa, India.) I firmly as a staunch Christian believe that this Shroud is an eternal receipt of the price paid for our sins by Jesus. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Amen.
People mocked Noah, they mock Christ followers in general. Israel as a country is secular or Talmudic or Orthodox which is ANTI Jesus Yeshua. We should not be surprised they want nothing to do with proving anything about supernatural events.
Forgot about Mr. Ron... BIG YES!!! Should be able to "TEST" to see if blood is exactly the same!! and if so.. see if it can be brought back to live blood again...as Ron said happened at the lab.. which i believe all his [Ron Wyatts] statements are TRUE!!
The original shroud is linen, it has been known for years that what was tested were the cotton strips that had been woven onto the edge of the shroud. Why on Earth are people still debating the testing? It was flawed from the git-go.
There were patches that were interwoven using invisible french weaving thats where the cotton was introduced onto the shroud it was in the piece that was carbon dated the patches were introduced because of fire damage as the shroud was in two different fires which also altered the carbon dating.
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I tend to go with the theory that it was the body of JC and that the shroud is the most important piece of forensic evidence in history. I agree that it was bursts of light from the body but I'm struggling to understand how other things such as coins on the eyes and other burial artefacts are identifiable on the shroud.
The people who refuse to accept not only biblical truth, but now, physical and scientific fact, refuse to also believe that nothing evil they do goes unseen. And that they will have to answer for their deeds
Fascinating tour down a needless rabbit hole. The AD 1230 ish date was shown to be taken from a repaired section of the Shroud; probably a "French invisible weave" technique common in the middle ages. Unfortunately, the good doctor is spinning his wheels. As they say in the repair game---get your basics right first.
Thank you so much for the content you’re providing re the shroud. I have subscribed. I am a believer in the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord based on scripture. At the same time I am fascinated with all biblical archaeology and the shroud. I may be too late for you to see and read this comment but I’ll give it a shot just in case. Believe me, I am no scientist, just a layperson. I wonder if in future presentations you could address some questions/possibilities I’ve begun to wonder about: 1). the possibility of radiocarbon dating of pollen from various areas of the shroud and also pollen from the sudarium of Oviedo 2). the work of Dr. Gilbert Lavoie, who believes the image on the shroud is of a crucified man in an upright, vertical position rather than laying down. He believes this is supported by his observations and also by information concealed in scripture in John 12:32, 33. He wrote a book about his studies of the shroud. I haven’t read it yet but it is titled “The Shroud of Jesus: And the Sign John Ingeniously Concealed” Thank you for your consideration!
Thank YOU for subscribing and for your kind words! Those sound like really great things to investigate in future episodes and I’ll see what I can do. Stay tuned!
Thank you gentlemen for such insightful information. It would be extremely difficult to come up with any other conclusion other than this being Jesus’ image formed by His resurrection!
I assume that this method of burial using a shroud was not uncommon. If there were another shrouded body it would be interesting to examine that shroud in comparison for any other unexplained effects.
The image is less than eight millionths of an inch deep. No forger could have been capable of working on this level ( 200 nanometres ). This is a well established measurement.
I have secondhand embarrassment for the ignorance of some of the minds these questions come from. Sometimes you just need to realize it is taking you more time, energy, and dare I say-FAITH- to convince yourself the Shroud IS NOT authentic. It takes far less mind power and causes far more JOY to simply... believe. It's incredible and it's authentic. I've studied it myself for years and here's the real kicker... the same blood type (which by the way only has a single x chromosome) is the same blood type of all Eucharistic Miracles throughout the world. It is Jesus. Look on the face of your Lord. Look at what he did for you. Look at how he left this IMAGE for YOU. So you could see and believe. Do I base my faith on the Shroud? No but am I completely in aww of it and think it's authentic... you better believe it. Jesus lives. This is a living document showing not only Jesus is real, he died a gruesome death exactly as the gospels depict, and he rose from the dead which us WHY we have this image 2000 years later. Wake up evil generation. All will bow their knees and proclaim Jesus Is the Lord.
I think it’s like this: whatever the Resurrection body is, it’s not phantom-like. It’s not vaporous, or thin, or less real than solid, material reality. It’s MORE real. It’s MORE substantial than material substances. Read C. S. Lewis’ phenomenal book “The Great Divorce” for a couple great images of something like this. Later in that little book (a fictional journey to Purgatory/the foothills of heaven) he depicts the angels and heavenly human characters as walking with ease on the grassy landscape, but the not-yet-resurrected characters feel each blade of grass like knives underneath their feet because they’re not yet REAL ENOUGH to enjoy heaven.
He created the entire universe. He died, and after three days rose again, proving that he has absolute dominion. There is no amount of rock that could stop him from doing his will.
I'm a 70 year old man and i believe it's the real deal. I think i would break down and cry if i could see it in person. What they did to Jesus was horrible. Great interview thank you and God bless
Thank YOU!
Most High, Holy, Mighty One, Immortal, Incredible!
God bless you
@James-ll3jb wow James, like they say there's no fool like some old fools. I'm proud to announce you are in that category. Can't wait for you to stand before our Lord and savior Jesus. Watching you shake and cry before him will be a sad moment for you, after all it was your choice.
@@sheseesyou . I see. Delight in watching the suffering of others is called sadism, my friend: an ancient Catholic tradition:
"Yes, and there are other sights: that last day of judgment, with its everlasting issues; that day unlooked for by the nations, the theme of their derision, when the world hoary with age, and all its many products, shall be consumed in one great flame! How vast a spectacle then bursts upon the eye! What there excites my admiration? What my derision? Which sight gives me joy? Which rouses me to exultation? - as I see so many illustrious monarchs, whose reception into the heavens was publicly announced, groaning now in the lowest darkness with great Jove himself, and those, too, who bore witness of their exultation; governors of provinces, too, who persecuted the Christian name, in fires more fierce than those with which in the days of their pride they raged against the followers of Christ. What world's wise men besides, the very philosophers, in fact, who taught their followers that God had no concern in ought that is sublunary, and were wont to assure them that either they had no souls, or that they would never return to the bodies which at death they had left, now covered with shame before the poor deluded ones, as one fire consumes them! Poets also, trembling not before the judgment-seat of Rhadamanthus or Minos, but of the unexpected Christ! I shall have a better opportunity then of hearing the tragedians, louder-voiced in their own calamity; of viewing the play-actors, much more dissolute in the dissolving flame; of looking upon the charioteer, all glowing in his chariot of fire; of beholding the wrestlers, not in their gymnasia, but tossing in the fiery billows; unless even then I shall not care to attend to such ministers of sin, in my eager wish rather to fix a gaze insatiable on those whose fury vented itself against the Lord. This, I shall say, this is that carpenter's or hireling's son, that Sabbath-breaker, that Samaritan and devil-possessed! This is He whom you purchased from Judas! This is He whom you struck with reed and fist, whom you contemptuously spat upon, to whom you gave gall and vinegar to drink! This is He whom His disciples secretly stole away, that it might be said He had risen again, or the gardener abstracted, that his lettuces might come to no harm from the crowds of visitants! What quæstor or priest in his munificence will bestow on you the favour of seeing and exulting in such things as these? And yet even now we in a measure have them by faith in the picturings of imagination."
-- Tertullian, "De Specula" (ch. 30).
"by faith"-per fidem...thus it is written!
Do get some psychiatric help!
Bob emphasizes the pure science behind the image formation and the pathology related to it. So many sceptics are quick to pass it off as a fake, but none come up with an explanation as to how it was faked.
That aside, very few people are able to make any judgement because they don't have the physics, chemistry and photographic knowledge to do so. Bob has no other option but to use highly technical language because the shroud takes science to the limits of our knowledge - and beyond.
I am a Christian and had serious doubts before listening. . I had a list of questions. You answered them all. Thank you.
How can you say you’re a born again believer in God if you say you’ve always had doubts ! Yeshua/ Jesus said that a double minded man is unstable in all his ways. Please don’t think this old man and born again Christian is being mean I’m not ! I’m coming to you out of pure love and truth without being born again no man will see God. I’ve been a believer since I was a boy but I’ll never forget the day I first laid eyes upon the Shroud it only confirmed what I already knew. Please just make certain your salvation is real because the rapture could happen at any moment. God bless and good luck.
@jeffi854 I think what he meant is that he had doubts regarding the authenticity of the Shroud, which is fine. Christians are not obligated to believe in its authenticity. Although, I do think that has a lot to do with Christians not bothering to look into the Shroud in-depth. As for the rapture at any time I have to say that's a false doctrine, brother. Jesus is to remain in heaven until it's time for the restitution of all things, as we read in Acts 3:21.
Even if Acts 3:21 is speaking of a period of time from one point to another and not one particular moment, we read in Revelation 20:4-5 that the dead who go through the Tribulation are a part of the dead who rise first in the first resurrection upon the 2nd coming of Christ. If the dead in Christ rise first, including those who go through the Tribulation, then the rapture can't happen at any point before then because those of us who are alive and remain will "be caught up" after them (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).
An Italian study published April 2022 used X-ray crystallography to date the Shroud. They analyze the twisting of the fibers of the linen over time and compare with linen with known dates. The shroud is from Christ’s time and after 45 years of atheism I became a born again Christian.
I did not major in nuclear engineering but I did go to Fermilab in high school and studied a bit of particle physics there. I went onto chemistry, genetic engineering, biomedical engineering, got a law degree. X-ray crystallography is something I understand having studied The Double Helix by Watson.
I also sew and oil paint as a hobby. My grandma taught me a sewing technique called “darning“. A repair can be done invisibly. And there is no paint on this cloth. There might be a few paint particles here and there but it’s not painted.
I remember the shroud coming out as a kid. And then the carbon dating. And I was so disappointed that it was a fake. But it’s not fake, the carbon dating is not accurate for some reason. I am not ready to discard the repair theory. The carbon dating could also be altered with the burst of energy. It would be interesting to test other samples from the tomb of Christ.
Thanks so much for sharing!
I'm glad to do it. I was an atheist for 45 years. I was interested in the new dating of linens and was amazed to find it was from Christ's time. Then I looked at all the other tests and data, expecting that it would be proven fake. I was shocked after my study. And ashamed by my disbelief. That Shroud proves the resurrection of Christ. I am a born again Christian and my faith has never wavered. There are no excuses. All must believe in Christ and this new proof for us scientists makes me wonder if the rapture is near. Mathematicians have proved on paper that there are many other words beyond our own which we cannot see. The existence of the soul seems very logical.
God bless those with natural faith. There's plenty of evidence without the Shroud, and now my eyes are open to see all that as well. And the funny thing is, with God's grace and wisdom by my side, I am a lot smarter than I was before. God bless us in these troubled times.
Glad to hear that your eyes were finally opened. You can thank God for that, since no one comes to Him unless He draws them, And I do understand from my own experience what you mean about becoming smarter. (God enlightens our minds). @@60sGirl123
They did not use the cloth from the Shroud...they used the patch.
It could be anyone on that sheet? So none of Jesus's teachings touched you, yet an old shroud made you become a Christian? Wow!! The lab in Arizona tested another ancient shroud & the result was dated to the 1st Century. The scientist said "I bet the shroud people wished they'd had this result" The Roman crucified thousands & thousands of people, 200 per day got crucified outside the walls of Jerusalem & that went on for weeks. Men were crucified from Jerusalem to Cambridge, even now some still have the nails still in the bone. It could be anyone.
It was proven 20 years ago by a housewife that learned about ancient weaving techniques that all three areas where they took samples to Carbon date patches and repairs along the edge of the shroud. they basically took three samples from the same place. It was a medieval repair it’s not even the same weaving pattern. I thought everybody knew this. She published several articles in major journals and got awards for it.
Read the book the hidden history of the shroud of Turin.
I know , it puzzles me that everyone isn't aware of this by now .
Even members of the STRP team have acknowledged this.
@briandillon8041 Yes, it was Sue Benford, the late wife of Joe Marino, who discovered and started the invisible cotton-weave mending idea that was later proved to be true by Ray Rogers and thus put into question the whole subject of the 1988 carbon dating, but Bob Rucker here dismisses all this. He makes a distinction between the Oxford University carbon dating and the other two (Zurich and Arizona) when we have been informed that the Oxford "scientist" has admitted, after 29 years and pressed by Freedom of Information query, that his team came up with the Medieval date after they took an average of dates they found with the carbon dating, which is a ridiculous idea for who takes an average od dates? Mr Rucker ignores this and also dubiously claims that he has tested the whole of the Shroud, not just the controversial area from where the carbon-dated sample was taken. He also makes the rather laughable suggestion that those who handled the Shroud left traces on it from their cotton gloves! I used to respect Mr Rucker but I think he is mistaken.
Incorrect Carbon dating was on purpose.
@@briandillon8041 better believe it was .
Bob's wife is my best friend! Bob's zeal for the Shroud and his diligent research is amazing!
The level of complexity in the creation of the image and it’s accurate details alone should be proof of it’s authenticity.
It seems very likely to me that the resurrection power of God in raising Jesus from the dead would make that image on the burial cloth. Recently I saw a video about the image of the shroud being blurred in some areas because he was actually unfolding His hands and moving to stand. All I can say is Hallelujah! He is alive, and God took a "photo" to prove it!
Actually the Shroud contains a sequence of movement images so its almost a video of the Resurrection of Christ!!
😂 Oh really?
"Naturalism" is an "ism", not really "science" which always allows for not-yet-known truths. It's great to have a professional scientist who truly understands scientific practice to explain this matter. Furthermore, the details of the information are highly relevant and convincing. Thanks a lot, Mr. Rucker!
Agree 1000%!
If scientists never thought "outside the box", we'd never make scientific progress.
Thank you so much for the enlightening interview! Greetings from Brazil.
So kind of you! Stay tuned for more great stuff coming soon :-)
What more evidence than, the shroud of Turín has been the most studied object in the entire world and scientists are still intrigued about that piece of fabric with a 3D image imprinted on it.
"The most studied object in the entire World" lols. What is the reference for that claim? And what other objects are we talking about? Chemicals, Pharmaceuticals, Aeroplane Engines, Computers? They all comes second to that Medieval sheet?
J’ai 81 ans. J’ai subi un terrible accident de moto à 40 ans. 3 mois entre vie et mort et un an de rééducation. Je suis monté par un tunnel noir vers un point lumineux qui se révélait être un amour immensément riche. J’ai appris que j’allais continuer à vivre sans aucune séquelle. Et c’est ce que j’ai vécu. Les médecins m’ont dit que ma récupération était un miracle. Il y a un après la mort. C’est mon grand père qui m’a accueilli et qui m’a annoncé que j’allais continuer à vivre parce que j’avais encore des choses à connaître. Et j’ai connu toutes ces choses.
amen mon frère.
One of the things that the average person doesn't understand (MAINLY BECAUSE OF INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY BY MANY SO CALLED SCIENTISTS) is that carbon dating is completely unreliable. Why? Because we still don't actually know how fast carbon dissipates from different materials under different environmental pressures. It really grinds my gears that we've known this for decades now, and yet we're still talking about and using carbon 14 dating.
True. Even though it has been over 18 years since Dr. Ray Rogers _proved_ that the carbon dating was done in error, there are, incredibly, still some not so bright people out there that want to call it a fake. Boggles the mind it does.
@@jeffreyerwin3665 Well, you can accept it as valid if you wish. But after Dr. Rogers proved that it was not even close to accurate then I am going to accept his findings. Really, in this day and age I know of no one that still believes that the 1988 carbon dating was done properly.
I always understood that is why they give an estimate of + or - number of years for the precise reason you gave; the dearth of variables that impact the dating process.
Of course it has been habit of most of these "public presentations" of such results that they typically dumb down and oversimplify the results, which leads to the erroneous conclusions we see to this day. Most documentaries these days do the same thing. The producers and directors think the audience cannot figure stuff out for themselves.
Seems to me the most logical answer is that they also dated the wrong material. They dated the repair material and not the original material.
Some people ask for proof of God, but when confronted with evidence, they are stupefied and deny and ignore the facts. They cannot handle the truth.
Science doesn't deal with "proofs", it deals with "probabilities".
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The results showed that the famous cloth did not date back to the time of Christ's crucifixion in the first century A.D. In fact, the cloth seemed to have been manufactured sometime between 1260 and 1390 A.D. The team concluded the Shroud was nothing more than a medieval hoax.21/04/2023
Well science has explored gravity. It works every time, no probability there.
Yet gravity remains unexplained!!
@@AshimDas-s4p We know how gravity works, thanks to Isaac Newton, who discovered the laws of gravity. We engineer our spacecrafts with these laws in mind..
I could listen to Bob all day ❤️
Thank you, Mr. Rucker, for not accepting the naturalist's, or atheist's, limitation of the debate to a Godless framework with their "god of the gaps" logical fallacy. God is the creator and in control of nature and the laws that govern his creation. He is the ultimate Scientist and created it. Science is not scientific without Him.
In an age where some recognize only what science yields, I better understand why the Shroud has been called the "Fifth Gospel." If the evidence is incontrovertible, one is inevitably confronted with considering the possible source behind what made the image on the Shroud. One might have to reorient one's worldview. Integrity requires one goes where the evidence leads.
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I'd say Silent. 2000+ year's silent.
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"Presupposition of naturalism before you look at the evidence you decide the only allowable explanations are those that are consistent with our current understanding of the laws of physics. But there is no validity to that assumption either philosophically nor by means of scientific experimentation."
Well said.
I really admire Bob Rucker. Thank you for this presentation.
Yes, just a quick comment. Herringbone linen is virtually indestructible. And the shroud is handmade. I am lining up a guitar strap made out of herringbone linen (and they’re NOT cheap). The material will last virtually forever. Praise God! And yes, I hold that the shroud is real. And yes, I have a doctorate in the hard sciences and I’ve looked at the evidence and understand the terminology. Thanks for this channel!
Thank you, Joel! That’s very kind of you :-)
I have watched a few videos with Rob and he fills me with enthusiasm.
I would love to have such a brilliant mind like his.
So when there is someone of Robs prowess as a Christian it is a real comfort.
Wow what a great guest to have on.
*Love from Kerala/India*
I am 78 years and went to Catholic grammar and high school. As I got older by the time I graduated from high school I was an atheist. I went to to college and graduated in mechanical engineering. After about ten years I reading a book about the shroud of Turin and it fascinated me. As I read more books about it I was convinced Jesus rose from the dead and the shroud could not be duplicated and will not be duplicated in the future. So I never became a believer by faith but by knowing. I have always said as Jesus said you believe because you see, blessed are the ones who do not see but believe as he said to Thomas. I think the shroud was a gift that Jesus left for people like me.
Thanks for sharing!
I LOVED listening to Bob Rucker's explanation of how the Image was formed and what caused the "medieval C14 dating".
Having just read Joe Marino's new article on the invisible reweave, I have a suggestion:
How about getting the 2 of them together to discuss their differing points of view re the cause of the C14 medieval dating?
Thanks Mike! I always enjoy your podcasts!
@pamelablankenship3139 that would be a great idea!
Thank you so much Gentlemen!
I am so very thankful and so blessed that the Lord God wrote the truth on my heart and blessed me with the faith I have !
I have never seen nor examined the 'Shroud of Turin', but I believe that it is 100% authentic.
In my simple mind I try to think of it like his body being transported as in a Star Trek beam me up way....that said I truly believe it's 100% authentic...great program, thank you.
A truly intelligent and thorough approach - many thanks for all your hard work, Bob
The Urantia Book has some narratives that corrolate Rucker's conversations. Most fascinating!
Interesting! Can you tell me where it is located? It’s a long book!
in Paper 189 entitled The Resurrection mostly. Enjoy!@@tool_fighter
I have heard that one of the test team said that they took the test material from one of the patches . It had fire damage repaired in the time period of when they said it was from.
If anyone wants further proof, get 5 volumes of: 'The Poem Of The Man God' by Maria Valtorta. Christ Himself talks about how His arms were pulled out of their sockets before they nailed Him, that's why they look elongated. You'll find your answer. Every chapter is titled. This Book gives us a detailed account of His 3 year Ministry on earth.
Bob Rucker is awesome and this interview and discussion were excellent. However, he made a mistake at 44:15 to 44:30 in this video, where he erroneously asserts that Ray Rogers "doesn't say whether the cotton fiber that he found was just on the surface of the fibers or frizz (sic) or whether it was embedded in the twisted linen." However, Rogers did say such. Rogers had Bob Villareal of Los Alamos Nuclear Lab examine the fibers from the subsamples of the Shroud samples that Rogers had (taken from the same area of the Shroud that the C-14 test samples were obtained from) and Villareal found that there were cotton fibers embedded in the twisted linen and that such were held together with the linen fibers by a glue and resin. Villareal reported such to Rogers, and Rogers told the world. Moreover, from 2000-2018, the three labs that did the C-14 testing examined their remaining subsamples of the C-14 test samples and they all found cotton fibers embedded in the linen fibers and held together with the linen by glue and resin. The Oxford University lab published an article about this in its Archeometry journal in approximately 2019-2020. Thus, Rucker was mistaken in asserting Rogers did not say such.
What happened was that some very meticulous seamstress nuns patched up a corner of the Shroud (the corner where the C-14 samples were taken from) because that corner was badly damaged over the years. They took some cotton cloth and fibers, then used the so-called invisible re-weaving technique to patch up such damaged corner. The "invisible reweaving technique" was quite more than just re-weaving, as it involved undoing some of the linen fibers and then twisting and bonding the linen and cotton fibers together using glue and resin to blend the cotten fibers into the linen fibers, and then applying a coloring agent to cause the cotton to have the same color as the linen so that it would all look like linen. The C-14 testing samples were taken from that repaired corner, and that corner fluoresces differently than the entire rest of the Shroud, thus indicating it is of a different material (cotton). These are indisputable facts.
Thank you for clarifying that .
I believe this now. thank you. i also watched the barry schwortz video on it. some confusing points,, and questions. but boy i his is good news!!
Just begun watching. This man is so cool: highly intelligent but still mild-mannered and low-key, and hence very endearingly human👍🙏👌👏✌️😇😎
Thanks for tuning in! Please spread the word :-)
I used to not care about the Shroud thinking it was just a silly catholic relic. After researching this for several years now there’s only one possibly. This cloth is a negative photo of Jesus coming back to life. A photo of the point of resurrection. Jesus is alive and the Shroud is evidence of that.
I heard them say it was a woven in cotton repair expertly done & died to match the rest of the shroud done in the 1500. They took the sample to be carbon dated from this repair area.
I have never doubted the shroud! The evidence is overwhelming… But it’s just now becoming public
This was a great chat! Bob answers several questions and addresses comments on his previous interview! (link to the original: ruclips.net/video/LVeZKQLyYKI/видео.html)
Idea love to see this guy and Fr. Spitzer talk on this.
Still say the shift in the carbon date is because the shroud was never a closed system. It was exposed to open air (and the smoke from fresh burnt incense for centuries, which WOULD skew the date. Not to mention being completely engulfed in smoke from the fire from 1532 and thus saturated in the carbon from the age of the wood burnt. Even if they cleaned the soot off perfectly at the time of testing, it was still contaminated the whole time, skewing the ratio of parent and daughter isotopes.
It is real until proven otherwise. The shroud has been studied more than any other artifact. They still cannot figure out how the image was created by a human and the reason for that could be because it wasn't.
Thank you both 😊 💓 you two are some of my favorites on shroud research ❤️
You're too kind! Stay tuned for plenty more coming soon :-)
Do you not think they took samples from a repaired area of the shroud? I have seen although studies that that sample had cotton .
I’ve seen that too. People who were involved with the 1978 tests have said that the carbon dating, which wasn’t done for another 10 years, was supposed to be based on 7 samples from all over the shroud, but ended up being completely based on that section that was known to have been repaired. It’s been surmised that the British Museum, who did the carbon dating, wished to debunk the authenticity of the shroud.
And they were paid 2.5 million in today’s dollars. And they threw out very important protocols, one of which you mentioned. Personally I believe it was a brilliant PR maneuver worthy of the best political operatives.
Bobs hypothesis is very plausible too.
I understand what Rucker is proposing with the coronal discharge hypothesis - the involvement of electrons. But how would such a mechanism result in an image with "no side images" (the Shroud has no ears, no sides from head to foot)? This seems to be an unanswered question which his hypothesis cannot explain. Whereas, if gravity were involved, this could account for a lack of side images as the cloth flattened out, collapsing through the body. So whether one subscribes to the Fall-Through Hypothesis or the Coronal Discharge Hypothesis,(Prof. Guilio Fanti & Rucker) both have some unanswered questions. Perhaps God's ways are not our ways - and the "mechanism itself" had a supernatural character. Thank you for being such a gracious host.
Mysteries abound! Thank you so much for your kind and insightful words, and stay tuned!
I heard that the body became inter dimensioned and nuclear energy projected from the pores, causing an x-ray and a burst of radiation marked the shroud. N space if I remember.
But an easier way to understand was the glory of God as Christ rose from the dead bodily.
From what I understand which is very little the radiation that formed the image was at a 90 degree angle to the body top and back only.
Look at the photo negatives taken of the shroud. Much more of those details will become obvious
I believe he says the radiation is coming from outside the body and as such the electrons are at a 90 degrees top and bottom of the body thus none are going through the sides. Go to more of his web sites and he can explain it. I believe he says the electron field is coming from a outside the body not from within thus no side image.
Super brilliant guy and truly fascinating conversation!! Some of what he said was kind of confusing to me, as the carbon dating samples that dated the Shroud from the Middle Ages were taken from a cotton patch woven into the Shroud by nuns in the Middle Ages. People might not be aware that a fire in the Middle Ages had scorched the Shroud (which is 100% linen). I'm a new subscriber, and the several guests I've seen, plus your interviewing questions, are fantastic! 😊
Glad you enjoyed it!
GREAT INTERVIEW! Loved when the Scientist said “ME”, “I can prove it was Jesus!”,
I hope when we get to Heaven we can watch a movie of the actual RESURRECTION
I had a discussion yesterday saying I can't wait to know all the wonders of God. Just amazing. We are Hus artwork and He, the artist, actually signed his name in our DNA. So amazing! He thought on of everything and his timing is perfect.
If you like prophecy go to Johnathan Can and watch God or coincidence. It's about his book, the Oracle, but God or coincidence is a better intervie
Brilliant! Thanks for the added insight
My pleasure, Ed! Stay tuned because there’s a lot more coming :-)
The discussion about cotton fiber contamination seems to confirm the issue with the Carbon dating sample. The Carbon dating method is not in question it's the pre analytical process involving the sample. It's hard to have confidence in a flawed process. I would also point out that the same naturalistic bias could have influenced the scientists who obtained the sample. Their bias may have contributed to breaking the sample collection protocol and flawed statistical analysis.
Going by Bob's theory I believe the Carbon 14 is not appropriate to test the Shroud.
It makes perfect sense that even with so much evidence of the Shrouds authenticity that some people would still want more proof. It has gotten to the point, that, with these types of people, if all the scientist and scholars of the world authenticated the Shroud publicly they would still doubt it. If the Lord Himself came down and spoke directly to them they would still doubt whether or not it actually happened. We can only explain to them lovingly and patiently what we know and what we believe as truth and why we believe it and then simply walk away leaving the rest of it between them and the Lord. It's not our job to convince them, our only requirement is to love and respect them. There is so much uncertainty and confusion nowadays just as the scriptures promised us would happen in the days just before He returns. The evidence on or in the Shroud leaves us very little uncertainty as to it's authenticity. Giving us the perfect amount of evidence and/or proof that anyone in modern days really needs in order to believe that His existence and His Resurrection as absolute truths. The science behind the study of the Shroud is enough evidence for any conviction in any courtroom setting today.
Interesting side note to ponder is that the scriptures say He will return in 2,000 years and apparently scholars believe He died around the year 30 AD. So, that brings us to an approximate year of about 2030 AD??? Just food for thought...
Where in the scriptures does it say that He will return in 2000 years? As a student of the Bible, I have never read that prediction.
For those with faith, no evidence is necessary, For those without, no amount of evidence will suffice
Having "SEEN" things that this world and the devil says "CAN NOT BE"!! Having Heard my Masters voice.. along with science not able to prove a FAKE!! I will say.. on both FAITH AND SCIENCE....IT IS R+E+A+L.. THE WORLDS FIRST SELFIE ....... OUR SAVIOUR!!
Please do not call it a selfie - the narcissistic compulsory snapshots taken habitually every step of the way just to prove that you are great, you are having fun and you are so cool......
@@kbeetles in all love and humility.. Exactly my Point! His was the First..Meant the Most! We Must Die to Self.. Because HE gave his Life for Us..I CAN DO NO L-E-S-S! God Bless All!!
My my His Image is the very eternal Light
Interesting that the Bible Matthew 24;27 describes the second coming ofJesus using the description of lightning.
The re-weaving was done on a small area to repair worn edges.. the sample dating sample was inadvertently taken from that repaired area where cotton threads were interwoven with the linen threads existing in the original fabri c
Has any one compared the image on the shroud to the shadows that was left by the two atomic bombs to see if it was the same or similar energy that caused each images
I don't know but I know the atomic energy left behind called Trinitum. And around Sodom and Gomorrah Trinitum was discovered as well.
The sample tested was proven to be from a repaired portion on the Shroud. The reason it dated much later was that cotton was woven into the linen. Its astonishing that this guy doesn't know of this discovery as interested in the Shroud as he is.
@jeffreyerwin3665 totally completely unequivocally wrong. Benford and Marinos study was peer reviewed. It's an accepted fact.
@jeffreyerwin3665 I believe that Ray Rogers...in conjuction with the peer reviewed study of Benford and Marino proved the 1988 C-14 dating of the Shroud to be worthless. Furthermore, I believe there was/is a vested interest from the scientific community to latch on to anything they can spin to try and "sell" the narrative that it's not the burial cloth of Jesus. Simply put, I don't trust most of them.
So chock-full of facts from a scientist.
Really modern scientific description of the ancient religious stuff. Thank you for your analysis.
Some people won’t give god the time of day to prove or disprove and yet the shroud shows the true power of the universe in one man and this man is part of the god that made everything 😊
‘They’ know it’s the real garment and are terrified the truth will come out
Very interesting viewpoint
Yummy yummy. This is really stimulating stuff.😊
The lightning objection something I could of thought someone bringing up. Glad he brought that up. I'm not nearly as educated as this man. That being said I've always thought the proof of the shroud was proof of the miracles. To me it just goes to show us how remarkable God made us. Jesus thought the apostles how to do miracles. So who's the say we can't with God's grace?
The fingers show movement. There is multiple bursts of radiation the hands shift and move. There are images of the hands where you can see a second position of the same hand. The shroud captures the re-animation of Jesus at the moments of resurrection. I think that you can also see the slight Xray imaging of teeth around the mouth area. The radiation (light) came from inside of the body.
(40:55) from what i understand about Jewish law around the time of the crucifixion, they weren't allowed to mix fabrics (Leviticus 19:19: _you shall not put on cloth from a mix- ture of two kinds of material)._ granted, the Shroud isn't actually _clothing,_ but according to Barry Schwartz, the _only_ cotton ever found on the original portions of the Shroud were simply remnants from the cotton gloves the scientists used to handle it. that said, why can't _both_ explanations be true (Rucker's hypothesis that neutrons caused the image on the cloth and that later repairs caused an altering of the carbon dating results)?
Great points, well worth considering!
Medieval nuns used cotton to repair the burns in the shroud, & thus admixture gave a late date for the shroud manufacture than the first century CE.
Prof. Raes also found cotton from his sample taken a few years before the STURP team examined the Shroud. See: "Verdict on the Shroud" by Stevenson and Habarmas.
This carbon dating of the shroud that places it in a later time period actually lines up perfectly with the "phantom time hypothesis".
Just remember, that before the invention of the nuclear clock all means of time keeping were a product of their time, mistakes could have easily been made with rudimentary tools during the dark ages when roman technology was lost. And we already know that there are some major fundamental flaws with the carbon dating process, many artifacts from that time period come up with inconclusive data when carbon dated, a lot of it gets guessed based off of with the item is and what we already know about the time period it might have originated from..
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Great video, thank you. A question, comment for Mr. Rucker: at 23:10 you discuss someone asking "how do you know the Shroud is Jesus?" From what I understand, although there are many shrouds from many crucified individuals, NONE have an image of the person crucified burned/scorched/transferred onto the burial cloth. This makes it unique of all of the other shrouds. There may be blood stains but no photographic images. Is this correct? Given that, Jesus is the only one that rose from the dead and left us a still-life photo of the event...that's how we know.
He described the image on the burial shroud as the result of a "vertically columnated burst of radiation" hypothesis. It all happened in a literal billionth of a second (time), and with several billions units of radiation (power) but was still a low level radiation burst that did not carbonize, nor vaporize or otherwise destroy the burial cloth. ❤
How come no one is thinking Ron Wyatt's discovery of the biblical Ark of The Covenant in Israel on which was deposited our Christs' blood type AB (tested by Ron in a prominent lab in Israel) and other 3 prominent labs outside of Israel, all claiming authenticity as AB, which eventually when collated with Shroud blood and tested will prove undeniably as that of none other than Christ Himself (local time 22:23 Goa, India.) I firmly as a staunch Christian believe that this Shroud is an eternal receipt of the price paid for our sins by Jesus. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Amen.
People mocked Noah, they mock Christ followers in general. Israel as a country is secular or Talmudic or Orthodox which is ANTI Jesus Yeshua. We should not be surprised they want nothing to do with proving anything about supernatural events.
Forgot about Mr. Ron... BIG YES!!! Should be able to "TEST" to see if blood is exactly the same!! and if so.. see if it can be brought back to live blood again...as Ron said happened at the lab.. which i believe all his [Ron Wyatts] statements are TRUE!!
The original shroud is linen, it has been known for years that what was tested were the cotton strips that had been woven onto the edge of the shroud.
Why on Earth are people still debating the testing? It was flawed from the git-go.
There were patches that were interwoven using invisible french weaving thats where the cotton was introduced onto the shroud it was in the piece that was carbon dated the patches were introduced because of fire damage as the shroud was in two different fires which also altered the carbon dating.
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What caused the discharge of protons and the neutrons? The hypothesis is one thing, but what triggered it is another...
@ I understand that the SHROUD was treated with a fire retardant that would invalidate the test.
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I tend to go with the theory that it was the body of JC and that the shroud is the most important piece of forensic evidence in history. I agree that it was bursts of light from the body but I'm struggling to understand how other things such as coins on the eyes and other burial artefacts are identifiable on the shroud.
The people who refuse to accept not only biblical truth, but now, physical and scientific fact, refuse to also believe that nothing evil they do goes unseen. And that they will have to answer for their deeds
@ how many people can be included in the "set ' under the same circumstances would the same radiation burst occur?
They tested part of the shroud known to be part of a medical repair after a fire. Of course the carbon dating is flawed.
I would like to know if anyone knows the where abouts of the two coins placed in the eyes. Just a thought.
Is it possible that some of the activation products of a neutron burst would still be president in the tomb or the shroud.
Fascinating tour down a needless rabbit hole. The AD 1230 ish date was shown to be taken from a repaired section of the Shroud; probably a "French invisible weave" technique common in the middle ages. Unfortunately, the good doctor is spinning his wheels.
As they say in the repair game---get your basics right first.
Thank you so much for the content you’re providing re the shroud. I have subscribed. I am a believer in the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord based on scripture. At the same time I am fascinated with all biblical archaeology and the shroud.
I may be too late for you to see and read this comment but I’ll give it a shot just in case.
Believe me, I am no scientist, just a layperson. I wonder if in future presentations you could address some questions/possibilities I’ve begun to wonder about:
1). the possibility of radiocarbon dating of pollen from various areas of the shroud and also pollen from the sudarium of Oviedo
2). the work of Dr. Gilbert Lavoie, who believes the image on the shroud is of a crucified man in an upright, vertical position rather than laying down. He believes this is supported by his observations and also by information concealed in scripture in John 12:32, 33. He wrote a book about his studies of the shroud. I haven’t read it yet but it is titled “The Shroud of Jesus: And the Sign John Ingeniously Concealed”
Thank you for your consideration!
Thank YOU for subscribing and for your kind words! Those sound like really great things to investigate in future episodes and I’ll see what I can do. Stay tuned!
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Maybe critics rubbed charcol on their medulla oblongata (vigorously, for an extended period of time).
This man needs to have a chat with Ray Rogers
Might be a bit difficult as Ray died around 18 years ago.
Thank you gentlemen for such insightful information.
It would be extremely difficult to come up with any other conclusion other than this being Jesus’ image formed by His resurrection!
So let me see if I understand this. We have to wait until science catches up with an explanation for something that's 2000 years old?
God bless you for all your research, I know in my heart that it's an image of Jesus and I also believe God put it there for a reason.
I assume that this method of burial using a shroud was not uncommon. If there were another shrouded body it would be interesting to examine that shroud in comparison for any other unexplained effects.
Very interesting. But there is another scientific proof of antiquity: the % of vanilline in the linen, strictly dependent from passing of the time.
The image is less than eight millionths of an inch deep. No forger could have been capable of working on this level ( 200 nanometres ). This is a well established measurement.
A human hair is around 80-100 000 nanometres thick.
Can you speak to Michael Kowalski please
Funny enough, Michael’s coming on later in Sep! Stay tuned.
The Shroud of JESUS / turin is legit.
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I have secondhand embarrassment for the ignorance of some of the minds these questions come from. Sometimes you just need to realize it is taking you more time, energy, and dare I say-FAITH- to convince yourself the Shroud IS NOT authentic. It takes far less mind power and causes far more JOY to simply... believe. It's incredible and it's authentic. I've studied it myself for years and here's the real kicker... the same blood type (which by the way only has a single x chromosome) is the same blood type of all Eucharistic Miracles throughout the world. It is Jesus. Look on the face of your Lord. Look at what he did for you. Look at how he left this IMAGE for YOU. So you could see and believe. Do I base my faith on the Shroud? No but am I completely in aww of it and think it's authentic... you better believe it. Jesus lives. This is a living document showing not only Jesus is real, he died a gruesome death exactly as the gospels depict, and he rose from the dead which us WHY we have this image 2000 years later. Wake up evil generation. All will bow their knees and proclaim Jesus Is the Lord.
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55 Years ago our Lord appeared to me and I trembled before him I will say this I believe the Shroud to be Real
How did he go though 8 inches of rock intact.He could injest fish afterwards, and did with the Apostles present. Please answer.he was not a ghost.
I think it’s like this: whatever the Resurrection body is, it’s not phantom-like. It’s not vaporous, or thin, or less real than solid, material reality. It’s MORE real. It’s MORE substantial than material substances. Read C. S. Lewis’ phenomenal book “The Great Divorce” for a couple great images of something like this. Later in that little book (a fictional journey to Purgatory/the foothills of heaven) he depicts the angels and heavenly human characters as walking with ease on the grassy landscape, but the not-yet-resurrected characters feel each blade of grass like knives underneath their feet because they’re not yet REAL ENOUGH to enjoy heaven.
He created the entire universe. He died, and after three days rose again, proving that he has absolute dominion. There is no amount of rock that could stop him from doing his will.
I’m afraid this is too scientific for me! I saw the exposed shroud in 1978, and it overwhelmed me! +