The SECRET of CLANCY'S IDENTITY || Twenty One Pilots Live Show Lore (Trapdoor Analysis)

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  • Do you think that Tyler has been Clancy the whole time, or that he's taking over the mantle to bring hope to the Citizens of Dema?
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    Timestamps:
    0:00 Intro
    0:52 Disclaimer
    1:07 Lore in Trapdoor?
    3:17 The Main Point
    4:20 Tyler's Motivation
    6:02 Concluding Thoughts
    6:31 Outro
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  • @Spapis
    @Spapis 23 дня назад +329

    Maybe Clancy was the friends we made along the way?

  • @flickering_wick
    @flickering_wick 23 дня назад +171

    My theory has been that Clancy is Tyler, just like Blurryface is Tyler. Clancy is the good, idealized, strong version of him, while Blurryface is the dark, anxious, scared version of him.

    • @bloodmoonk5441
      @bloodmoonk5441 22 дня назад +1

      isnt blurryface nico?

    • @flickering_wick
      @flickering_wick 22 дня назад +15

      @bloodmoonk5441 "Shaking hands with the dark parts of my thoughts." "My name's Blurryface." Tyler is BF, but in Trench, he created Nico as BF to further distance himself and to view his anxieties/insecurities as separate from him and personified more distinctly as something he could confront. I believe Clancy is the stronger/better version of himself that he's trying to morph into.

    • @bloodmoonk5441
      @bloodmoonk5441 22 дня назад +1

      @@flickering_wick oh ok cuz i just heard in the lore drop and in an interview that nico was blurryface but im always confused by the lore so i'll believe u

    • @justinarmentrout5520
      @justinarmentrout5520 22 дня назад +1

      I don't think that theory could work. If nico is blurryface, tyler can't be both of them as well as clancy, right?

    • @yogafrog2052
      @yogafrog2052 22 дня назад +6

      Yep. Let’s not forget that this whole world is an allegory of Tyler’s psyche. It’s not really “lore”, it’s a metaphor filled allegory.

  • @joei.507
    @joei.507 23 дня назад +139

    I looked up the definition of the name "Clancy". It's Irish and means... "Son of the red warrior"

    • @janiensche7820
      @janiensche7820 23 дня назад +20

      Oh wow, this would really line up with another theory i thought of and read a few times of clancy being keons son. Or at least a bishops son. or it is simply about the red xD

    • @owalterluan
      @owalterluan 23 дня назад +6

      According to a guy on Twitter his son was playing the son of the red warrior in overcompensate music video (his son was the one young citizen being seized by Tyler)

    • @Kalvinism
      @Kalvinism 22 дня назад +6

      Irish guy here, that meaning comes from the Irish translation 'Mac Fhlannchaidh'. Flannchaidh can translate to 'leaving' or 'fleeing'.

  • @yogafrog2052
    @yogafrog2052 22 дня назад +19

    Tyler is ALL of this world. I’ve always thought that “lore” is not the right word to describe it. Lore is the building of a fantasy world based on fictional or fictionalized characters. This world is not fantasy, it’s a METAPHOR filled ALLEGORY in which all the characters are representations of different parts of Tyler’s very real psyche and experiences. It’s all him. He’s said this in many different ways in interviews over the years. He’s even talked about how not all lyrics are based on deeper layers of himself, but more on his response to external sources that impact him, like family, friends, the music industry, the writing process itself, and fans. I always try to look at everything in this world through that lens.

  • @firebolt95
    @firebolt95 23 дня назад +52

    And the “Nobody Knows he’s alive” line at the end!!
    I feel like Tyler’s using this song in tour to kinda describe the events of the Overcompensate music video

    • @kuura37
      @kuura37 18 дней назад

      isn't the line "nobody knows his life" tho?

    • @brodiepace1719
      @brodiepace1719 17 дней назад

      Love that line. In their new song The Craving he doesn’t know how to communicate his love, so no one knows he’s alive in his mind :(

  • @JacalStudios
    @JacalStudios 23 дня назад +56

    Self titled is such a awesome album and I'm glad that it's coming back in concerts🎉

  • @FloatingBandito21
    @FloatingBandito21 23 дня назад +26

    Throughout TØPs music there are a bunch of references to getting or stealing another’s name, so Clancy is probably a name that has been used by many

    • @caquis2037
      @caquis2037 21 день назад +3

      omg.
      "Does it bother anyone else, that someone else has your name?"
      - Forest

    • @SoderoImperial22
      @SoderoImperial22 20 дней назад +2

      "Take aim to obtain a new name and a newer place"

    • @brodiepace1719
      @brodiepace1719 17 дней назад +1

      I wish that I had two faces, to prove which theory works. Yelling around the street corner, or cleverly masking your words

  • @SoderoImperial22
    @SoderoImperial22 20 дней назад +6

    why are we all ignoring the fact that Tyler was introduced as just Tyler Joseph in the Livestream Experience?

  • @JoeMama-lc3zz
    @JoeMama-lc3zz 23 дня назад +37

    What if the song from vessel The Run and Go, where he talks about "I, can't take them on my own, pa, I killed a man and all I know, is I, am on the run and go" is the person who's taken Clancy's identity, getting Keyons killed , and he's returning to Clancy's father informing him that he is not clancy and that's he's on the run. And, on top of that I think that the second verse where he says "I am up against the wall" is a direct foreshadowing of My Blood where he says "surrounded and up against a wall" but My Blood is being sung in almost the perspective of someone other than "Clancy" or who is become Clancy and also with the line before that where he says " you're facing down a dark hall" is in correlation with the line from the Run and Go that reads "Pa I hear them coming down the hall" which, once again, relates back to My Blood...so from this, I want to guess that My Blood is being sung by the real Clancy's father, whoever that may be. Dude I'm really excited for this album, it's gonna be peak, I can feel it.

    • @brodiepace1719
      @brodiepace1719 17 дней назад +1

      I think the “I can’t take them on my own” line is referring to vialism. The dark thoughts from Dema are attacking Tyler, especially at night time

  • @sukimarmelaide4030
    @sukimarmelaide4030 22 дня назад +8

    Okay, we know that Tyler has been able to 'channel' BF/Nico from the git and that when he does this, his voice lowers considerably and his eyes turn red.
    Supposedly, when Nico needs to find him, he just grabs the bishops' set of antlers and does a location check, like he must have done during JS and during Levitate (although I don't recall Tyler's eyes turning red before Nico arrived in JS and/or before Tyler was snatched in Levitate)(although I •do• remember that in JS, he may have been feeling uncertain and in Levitate, he definitely was staring into the fire, contemplating stuff ('I've been thinking too much.. I've been thinking too much.. '), maybe when he was already vulnerable.. )
    One stunning characteristic that Tyler and possibly Clancy, or Clancy and possibly Tyler, share, is the ability to 'be seized' (without being dead as a prerequisite).
    And now, he possesses the ability to seize others.
    Because N.E.D. gave him the tool/weapon that sets him on an equal footing to the bishops. The Necromancers' Antlers (a.k.a.: a Neural Expansion Device)
    So, when we see Clancy/Tyler (or Tyler/Clancy)'s eyes turning yellow, we know he is seeing through some freshly dead person's filmy eyes in order to wear their skin, and maybe, their identity.
    It's really startling that in Overcompensate, by the time he has been 'teaching' the Dema citizens for a bit, some are wearing red tape and others are wearing yellow tape.
    I've seen theories about how this means some are committed to fighting and others to supporting the fight.
    But I just find it to be a trip that these are the two colours Tyler/Clancy's brown eyes happen to turn into when he's occupying another or when he's being occupied by another.
    Seems like one powerful coincidence (correlation)
    I am actually blown away by the parallels with this song.
    •Nobody knows his real name, now he's just using one he saw on a grave•
    And the last line.. chilling.. •Cuz nobody knows he's alive•

    • @Analog.Alchemy
      @Analog.Alchemy 5 дней назад

      Also, when Tyler has the golden or yellow eyes, the Bishops can’t see that color, so they’d be staring into dark empty eye sockets… whoa

  • @Goody12.
    @Goody12. 23 дня назад +10

    I’m so undecided on this topic that it hurts to think about.

  • @harrystone4938
    @harrystone4938 16 дней назад +2

    Always the possibility that Clancy isn't a name, more so a "title" of someone taking up that role within Dema. Hence why multiple people could be "Clancy" just a thought

  • @kalenbackwater7376
    @kalenbackwater7376 21 день назад +3

    2:59 “he told me I’m a copy” Morph

    • @CarsonNoC
      @CarsonNoC 13 дней назад

      and he literally morphs to someone else

  • @leslieaziz747
    @leslieaziz747 23 дня назад +18

    This idea: that Tyler, and we all become Clancy by taking on his name, his mission, his identity, echoes Christian theology. The main and huge significance difference being followers of the Christ believe Him to have died to save others, but not to have remained dead.
    But I don't think Tyler and Josh are writing an allegory as say, CS Lewis did The Chronicles of Narnia. However, I think it's reasonable to see how they have and are weaving Christ concepts into the lore. And I deeply believe their goal is to give everyone who internalizes their music and their lore, tools of hope; of coping mechanisms; of guidance toward Good.

    • @jwardy2711
      @jwardy2711 22 дня назад +1

      I was thinking the same thing

    • @leslieaziz747
      @leslieaziz747 22 дня назад +2

      @jwardy2711 , I appreciate you saying that.

    • @brodiepace1719
      @brodiepace1719 17 дней назад +2

      Yep. I think this is what they are doing, I’m very curious to see how they approach this tomorrow

  • @alejandromenendez862
    @alejandromenendez862 23 дня назад +11

    Clancy is the one with his head shaved (hds, jumpsuit ending, overcompensate) but in levitate the banditos cut his hair.. maybe an impostor idk haha

  • @Zyo_NG
    @Zyo_NG 23 дня назад +53

    AT LAST SOMEONE SAYS IT!!!
    I've been believing this since the BEGINNING of the lore. In the Trench Era, when people said "Tyler is Clancy" I thought "But they live different things, they have different Bishops, Clancy literally sees the events of Jumpsuit through the middle of the Trench".
    I say more. The dead guy we see at the end of Overcompensation Video, the redhead, IS Clancy. In the story, the citizens of Dema see that guy talking to them all the time, not Tyler. We can see Tyler to understand that he " seized" the corpse, but in the story, they don't see Tyler, they see Clancy.... the ORIGINAL Clancy.

    • @patitasdepalo2711
      @patitasdepalo2711 22 дня назад +2

      Me too

    • @AlineRSilva-ov6mt
      @AlineRSilva-ov6mt 21 день назад +1

      Ok You convinced me

    • @inescosta2671
      @inescosta2671 19 дней назад +7

      Dude, I SO BELIEVE IN YOU.
      Also, something interesting to point out, there's a vd in which @GoodDayDema points out the possibility of existing multiple clancys throughout the story. The og clancy indeed existed, but then passed away. As a result of that, the theory says that ppl who want to escape dema take on the name of "clancy" as an identity of an escapee or somebody who wants to become one and they tell their stories through the letters and, in adition to this, redecorate supports well this position, as it tells what appears to be multiple stories of plenty of ppl. Plenty of clancys.
      Tbh, i always doubted the theory that tyler is clancy bc they have different bishops and different handwriting so THANK YOU

    • @cannedsaladsoup430
      @cannedsaladsoup430 9 дней назад +2

      clancy also describes his recapture differently. while nico drags tyler back, keons is gentle and clancy willingly follow keons back "home"

    • @Zyo_NG
      @Zyo_NG 9 дней назад

      @@inescosta2671 I considered this possibility too, and I don't rule it out completely, but I wasn't too convinced. It's a good theory, and I see sense in it (the fact that Redecorate tells three different stories is a solid argument), but.... IDK, I don't like it too much, but I consider it plausible.
      It's a good theory :D

  • @girlwithnoname956
    @girlwithnoname956 23 дня назад +12

    In "I am Clancy" he kept repeating the phrase, and it felt like he was trying to convince us of who he is. I was and still am skeptical. May 24th will tell us.

    • @caseyjaz
      @caseyjaz 8 дней назад

      it in fact, did not ahaha

  • @J03L-
    @J03L- 23 дня назад +13

    Who was Tyler possessing during the Overcompensate music video.
    Maybe that was the real dead Clancy he was controlling.
    But then how long had his body been rotting for the SAI era for Tyler to possess it?

    • @brentkey48
      @brentkey48 20 дней назад

      true i'm mind blown!!

    • @brodiepace1719
      @brodiepace1719 17 дней назад

      I’m not sure how the world of Dema works, but the bishops seem to want people to use vialism and commit death so they can use their bodies for something. Clancy is trying to stop them and has learned their power

  • @taico5764
    @taico5764 15 дней назад +1

    Creating a diversion, and letting everyone escape while Tyler is left behind - that's practically the "Heathens" mv!

  • @FloatingBandito21
    @FloatingBandito21 23 дня назад +32

    It think people have forgotten that: Neds Cozy Fireplace was an anagram for “Clancy Seized for EP”. An EP has from 4-6 tracks so it can’t be referring to the album Clancy. I Recently published a video about it, including when an EP could release.

    • @leapertech80
      @leapertech80 22 дня назад +6

      what about "Clancy Siezed or FPE?"

    • @FloatingBandito21
      @FloatingBandito21 22 дня назад +1

      @@leapertech80 yeah that’s also possible! But I think the EP seems more probable and makes more sense

    • @ImperialAlex
      @ImperialAlex 22 дня назад +2

      Overcompensate
      Overcompensate edit
      Next Semester
      Backslide

    • @naomi7882
      @naomi7882 22 дня назад

      @@leapertech80or “Clancy or FPE seized”

    • @GanelOnid_21
      @GanelOnid_21 20 дней назад

      @@leapertech80 I think it's this as well, and we will find out what the new FPE is for this era soon

  • @Batbetoad
    @Batbetoad 23 дня назад +14

    This is by far my favorite theory because this proves the point than a man can die, but not his ideas, and fighting dema and the bishops as a symbol Tyler becomes stronger as he ever was

  • @SoyDae
    @SoyDae 23 дня назад +17

    I've thought since a little after the "I am Clancy" video that he's taking up the mantle of Clancy. DEMA also talked about this saying that Clancy is just a name that all the escapees use to mask their identity. I'm wondering who the original is. I have a sneaking suspicion that Josh's character is going to be more important like maybe he's some mystical being that was once the original Clancy or something crazy like that. I know that may be crazy, just throwing out some theories

    • @dead_ass115
      @dead_ass115 23 дня назад +3

      Let me tell you about a little thing called the forest fanfic

    • @AlexTheBandito
      @AlexTheBandito 22 дня назад +3

      So I think there was an original clancy who got the FPE badge and became a vessel, then there was the girl w/ Andre on dmaorg who was the second, she died and caused Clancy is Dead, and now it's Tyler

  • @ezekielmadrigal6232
    @ezekielmadrigal6232 23 дня назад +7

    I think Dema did a longer video with this theory. I absolutely love this theory

  • @0bsessed_Mess
    @0bsessed_Mess 22 дня назад +1

    This is really good! Dema (the RUclips channel) made a video on the identity of Clancy that has a lot of the same points as this and is also great. It’s probably the strongest theory imo

  • @CosmicLifeKylie
    @CosmicLifeKylie 12 дней назад

    So similar to what I’ve been noticing too, I think Clancy has become more a title than a physical person for all the reasons you said. An understanding of what they stand for staying with the same name.

  • @bethstratton3391
    @bethstratton3391 18 дней назад +1

    It’s like taking the ‘I am the enlightened one’ (illuminated knowledge man) mentality reborn as the ‘I am Spartacus’ (warrior and equality man) referenced in the 20th Century; and rebirthing it through music as ‘I am Clancy’ (re-enlightened or re-elevated man) in the modern era 21st Century.

  • @Kairoz024
    @Kairoz024 20 дней назад +1

    i just thought deeply into that theory like two days ago, it's definitely not coincidence that they're playing trapdoor NOW after never playing it in live, and then of course the hole verse the theory is based on

  • @leviroardeux4137
    @leviroardeux4137 22 дня назад +3

    Have any of y'all seen the video about this by Dema?? She says that multiple people are Dema, and that it is just a pseudonym used by everyone who attempts to leave the city. She uses Redecorate to show how multiple perspectives are used and highlights the line "She had planned to change her name, just not the traditional way". So that means that Tyler IS Clancy, but he is not the only Clancy out there. And the "Clancy is dead" anagram that you get from Scaled and Icy just means that the original Clancy died. There are still other Clancy's out there.

    • @Stolen.Potential
      @Stolen.Potential  22 дня назад +1

      I think this album will give us the answer!

    • @GanelOnid_21
      @GanelOnid_21 20 дней назад +1

      If this becomes the case, I kind of hope Clancy is an anagram for something representing the escapee. Tyler loves anagrams as we know (FPE, NED, Ned's Cozy Fireplace, etc etc). So I am wondering if they reveal Clancy as a name for anyone who fights back against the bishops and tries to escape. (Critical Lives Against Nico.... I dont know I'll keep thinking).

  • @hailstorm9386
    @hailstorm9386 21 день назад +2

    I always thought clancy was like the princess bride pirate. Like the name holds power but the man changes.

  • @indys_basement
    @indys_basement 22 дня назад +1

    this entire time my theory was that Clancy was Tyler's alter ego, another personality but since the I Am Clancy Video and when i started to look back at the older songs, the theory you talked about grrew stronger on me. i truly believe on this theory and i think it would make even more in the end. can't wait to see how they're going to finish this story

  • @saulobrasil5178
    @saulobrasil5178 23 дня назад +3

    My theory is that Clancy's letters dictate his first escape attempt, something that, if I'm not wrong, he says is the first time he will try to escape from Dema. In the clips we see his 4th or 5th attempt, something we can see by the yellow flowers left by Tyler in the natn clip. And about the letter that Clancy says he sees the same events in a jumpsuit, it is just a report of Clancy seeing another fugitive from Dema, Clancy is not the only one to flee, what makes Clancy different is his powers to defeat the bishops, hence the bandits They went to look for him in person. You may ask "so why is Clancy's report exactly the same as the clip?" Well, let's remember that the story that Tyler is telling talks about cycles, so in my interpretation, many who run away from dema, follow in a certain way the same path

  • @PrestonGandy
    @PrestonGandy 23 дня назад +3

    Your videos are amazing! Please keep up the good work friend!

  • @AMan-xg2sz
    @AMan-xg2sz 19 дней назад +1

    seems legit. I coulddn't get behind the discontinuities between the letters and the I Am Clancy video, this is a logical explanation.

  • @Beccaboo739
    @Beccaboo739 23 дня назад +9

    Did you see the video Keons pointed out about Simone Weil?? Tyler even gave a seemingly admitting response when she asked him about it in person. The writings of Simone Weil are very similar to Clancy’s letters, and she did die via what most seemed to deem as a suicide, but it was by ‘doing what was right’ by not eating in solidarity to those at war. This has become known today as ‘Weilism.’ It’s hard to know though if she is Clancy or if her theories are considered Weilism because they oppose each other in the lore…
    The biggest difference is the Bourbaki group are named after Gen. Bourbaki who was a coward in how he tried to commit suicide after being defeated in the Franco-Prussian war, but failed. Tyler seemed to have referred to him since the Math group took his alias. But what he did was cowardly, and the math group stifles the creativity of math by trying to give a foundation for the empty set and wash away creativity beyond math by trying to ‘prove god’ through math’s structural foundation (which they did not).
    Whereas Simone Weil did propose something similar in theory by purporting emptying yourself ( or kenosis) in order to be penetrated by the divine grace. She ended up trying to use this for ethical or good purposes, but what seems to have happened is that people forget that when one empties him/herself or ‘dies’, divine grace isn’t the only thing that can ‘seize’ you. So can forces for evil (the bishops).
    Still trying to figure out how the Ned’s fit into this- maybe the holiness they represent? The bread of grace or hope?
    If that is the case, then their power to seize would be the Holy Spirit when it is used for good and to communicate hope… it really depends on what your aim is or attention ( another concept by Simone Weil). Maybe Weilism was supposed to be something else, and now people are co-opting it by glorifying suicide so the wrong forces can seize people… idk- it’s still very muddy, but it definitely seems to relate.
    I know that was a mouthful… I hope it may help spark connections.

  • @alishaharper5860
    @alishaharper5860 23 дня назад +2

    strangely, every time I am in my car and tell Apple Music to play my twenty one pilots playlist, Trapdoor ALWAYS comes on first. And I am like WTH? Could be coincidence but interesting.

  • @georgehead9326
    @georgehead9326 16 дней назад

    I think you nailed it. One point you missed that would back this theory is at the end of overcompensate when Clancy falls over and is unmasked and we see it’s not Tyler. Then the cut to Tyler seizing him from Voldsoy

  • @patience-tpcoversandtheori3646
    @patience-tpcoversandtheori3646 18 дней назад +1

    "Propaganda doesn't have to be false to be propaganda" I literally said exactly this in my FIRST video years ago. It's fun to watch my theories come to fruition 😁

    • @Stolen.Potential
      @Stolen.Potential  18 дней назад +1

      No freaking way! Your theories are always so spot on!

  • @belowpressure
    @belowpressure 23 дня назад +3

    I thought it was pretty obvious since Overcompensate Clancy isn't Tyler and personally I've thought it was obvious someone else(Tyler) wrote the Clancy letters since SAI era

  • @okyanus-lf9xx
    @okyanus-lf9xx 23 дня назад +3

    Well I don't really think like that. I have a theory too hear me out please. I think we don't only have one body and a mind that is in that body for Tyler in DEMA lore. I think Tyler is Clancy but bishops took his mind from his body from his original vessel at the very first begining of all lore. And kinda replace his mind in different vessels so they can use him and keep him under control. And the original vessel, i mean Tyler we see in the music videos is kinda lost because he can't really think it's blurry for him, he can't escape from Nico, he just runs around because he can't think. This theory really suits with morph, jumpsuit MV and trapdoor too. I mean Tyler doesn't use a name that he selects but bishops kinda give his mind different vessels.
    I'm really trying to tell people about this idea I have so please if you see this just make a comment cause I really need to know if there is other people thinks like that. And sorry for my bad English ❤

  • @lucagajer5072
    @lucagajer5072 22 дня назад +1

    Maybe your theory is right because in that case even the “Vessel album meaning” would emerge (a dead person’s vessel disappears but a dead person’s message/purpose remains and can be maybe embodied, and tyler refers even to his and josh’s grandpas which are on the album cover)
    and so in my opinion tyler is embodying Clancy, because clancy has really died and he wants to propagate his purpose to takeover dema and stuff..
    (sorry for my bad english)

  • @shimo666
    @shimo666 23 дня назад +1

    Just listened to the whole album. DELUSION

  • @adzdrawss
    @adzdrawss 22 дня назад +1

    THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE!!! i feel like i finally understand things now 🙏🙏 i think this has a huge chance of being true

  • @voidsabre_
    @voidsabre_ 20 дней назад +1

    Tyler is all of them. The whole world is him. That's the whole point. "My name's Blurryface and I care what you think," "I created this world to feel some control, destroy it if I want," etc.

    • @brodiepace1719
      @brodiepace1719 17 дней назад

      Yes, but I think there is a Dema, and a Blurryface inside of us too. We have to overtake our former selves

  • @krysisaverted
    @krysisaverted 23 дня назад +1

    I LOVE this theory, I totally agree with it!
    This makes a LOT of sense, and I can't really think of anything that contradicts it.

  • @bluwads
    @bluwads 17 дней назад +1

    Clancy might just everyone who involved in the movement. You can kill a person, but you can't kill an idea.

  • @nathanielheinbuch8718
    @nathanielheinbuch8718 22 дня назад +1

    This is why Keons betrayed Nico, because Keons was fond of Clancy so when they killed him he rebelled to help Tyler!

  • @ChristopherWaddelow
    @ChristopherWaddelow 22 дня назад +1

    I definitely thought it was goofy when it was revealed that Tyler was Clancy. As I thought about it, I now am very onboard with the idea that Clancy was a man, he died, Tyler in the story took on the mantle of his name, and now Clancy is a concept.

  • @lieslhafner7506
    @lieslhafner7506 19 дней назад

    You absolutely convinced me! Very well argued!

  • @lunawyrdfell6430
    @lunawyrdfell6430 21 день назад +2

    My theory is that I somewhat agree with this one but I think that the original Clancy may be Josh himself. Like in Morph, Clancy is questioning when he'll die and how he's not done, Josh Dun. And in the nico and the niners Josh is the one to greet Tyler from the Banditos, indicating some sort of leadership like in the judge. And somehow I think he may have died, but he remained a ghost to guide Tyler either metaphorically by giving him the idea of this role, or even physically by vialism or idk.
    And even in overcompensate Tyler says done running, come up with Josh Dun, aka Clancy who he says he is now.

    • @lunawyrdfell6430
      @lunawyrdfell6430 21 день назад +1

      Please don't attack me, I'm still trying to figure things out, because I'm a new fan, but I think this may actually make sense

    • @brodiepace1719
      @brodiepace1719 17 дней назад +1

      Josh is also the torch bearer, in The Craving video Josh builds the box and Tyler makes the cool piece of art. Josh also gets shouldered after their art piece is rejected so maybe Josh is protecting Tyler? Or bearing some of the weight of failure?

    • @brodiepace1719
      @brodiepace1719 16 дней назад +1

      You were definitely on the money!

  • @matthewkozak2629
    @matthewkozak2629 18 дней назад +2

    I don’t know if anyone will see this, but I rly think that Josh is the original Clancy. The more I think abt it the more it makes sense. He’s the one who’s been leading tyler in all the trench videos and seemingly the leader of the banditos. So it would make sense for the bishops to kill him. And then in the sai music videos he’s always with Tyler, almost as a ghost. Especially in the outside music video it seems that way. So it makes sense to me that the original Clancy is Josh, and then the boshops killed him and he basically became a ghost leading Tyler to take his place
    I would love to hear what others think tho

    • @brodiepace1719
      @brodiepace1719 17 дней назад +1

      A ghost, like in the My Blood music video?

    • @brodiepace1719
      @brodiepace1719 16 дней назад

      This kinda makes sense considering Josh is teleporting with his drummer in every video

  • @TotoOrlanski
    @TotoOrlanski 23 дня назад +1

    I always had this same theory!! I totally agree with what you’re saying

  • @flightless_birdz
    @flightless_birdz 21 день назад +1

    maybe tyler was given the mask? like the og clancy gave him the mask cuz like he knew he was gonna be killed so he gave it to tyler cuz he probably known that "hey! he may carry down my message of escaping dema" and stuffs like that and that ever since he got it hes been trying to convince people that you should try to escape dema and stuffs. or my theory is not true and im going crazy

  • @morganlocklear7194
    @morganlocklear7194 21 день назад

    You are definitely on to something here. Well done.

  • @DubyCzech
    @DubyCzech 23 дня назад +3

    Tyler is dead. Clancy morphed to him. Scaled and Icy = Clancy is dead, because he is Tyler now?

  • @caseyjaz
    @caseyjaz 8 дней назад

    to me this quote from one of the letters "It all begins to make sense... the out of body account of the rider in the river" makes it sound like the narrator of the original jumpsuit letter was seeing themself from an outer body perspective. obviously ive seen plenty of other convincing evidence that theyre seperate people but I keep getting stuck on not being able to interpret the use of the words "out of body account" to mean anything other than that clancy/tyler was just seeing himself as he got taken by nico/keons, and thus is one person. anyone else feel me here?

  • @iron1607
    @iron1607 23 дня назад +5

    epic

  • @michaelgear7642
    @michaelgear7642 2 дня назад

    They said it themselves, Clancy represents hope

  • @sk8ingxfox
    @sk8ingxfox 15 дней назад

    I was stressing about this Trapdoor reference when Overcompensate first dropped.
    CLANCY DROPPED DEAD at the end of Overcompensate, and then we see Tyler bringing down the antlers, which we know helps him to seize a body. ONLY DEAD BODIES (except Tyler) CAN BE SEIZED!

  • @sandstorm_maestro_II
    @sandstorm_maestro_II 13 дней назад

    This is a super cool theory. This is gonna be what I'm believing until we get the full story.

  • @cyndizebra6119
    @cyndizebra6119 22 дня назад +1

    I never believed Tyler was the original Clancy.

  • @ayyyayay
    @ayyyayay 16 дней назад

    the realization is wild, not a bad theory and kinda convince me

  • @Urfave.cliquie
    @Urfave.cliquie 23 дня назад +1

    Completely agree with your theory!

  • @U_S_A-freedom
    @U_S_A-freedom 22 дня назад +1

    Yo stolen potential I have an idea. What if Clancy being dead was never propaganda by the bishops what if it was Tyler trying to expose the bishops for what they did because we know that the bishops let Tyler name scaled and icy.

  • @superrox972
    @superrox972 23 дня назад +1

    But how he could say « i shouldn’t have done ‘Saturday’ if its not him ? In the Backslide.
    And Tyler saying its like doing in the interview its like Creating again when he did on one of the first albums ?

  • @just_yelsew
    @just_yelsew 22 дня назад

    YES! I'm so happy that there is a possibility that Self-Titled has some lore to it.

  • @fairlylocal7961
    @fairlylocal7961 23 дня назад +1

    I think you’re correct tbh

  • @juanmartincasajus1893
    @juanmartincasajus1893 22 дня назад +2

    05:56 Nico And The Niners
    We'll win but not everyone will get out. No, no.

  • @ZI0N987
    @ZI0N987 23 дня назад +2

    But doesnt this mean they also had to kill the torchbearer/ josh?

  • @mikaelawebb6351
    @mikaelawebb6351 9 дней назад

    I believe Tyler is both Clancy and Blurryface. "I've created this world to feel some control." This is clearly a case of Dissociative Identity Disorder. These are personas he's created to cope with trauma. It's all in his head. Look at the map of Trench...it looks like a brain. Voldsoy means "violent island" (insert Migraine lyrics here). The way the events we see in the Jumpsuit video are described in the journal entry is actually him having an "out of body experience" (depersonalization). The reason Blurryface is never present during the SAI writing sessions with the bishops is because he is a Blurryface, and both personas can't be present at the same time. Listening to Clancy has solidified this theory for me. Mainly Routines In The Night, Navigating and Snap Back. The delusions/hallucinations we see in the videos for My Blood (though not directly lore related) and Navigating (fake Josh) are further evidence of this. There are so many more examples, lyrically and visually, across all the albums that point in this direction. Now go have fun falling down this rabbit hole and looking at things from this perspective (if you haven't already) 😉

  • @gdubsw1425
    @gdubsw1425 21 день назад +2

    Anyone else going to the Columbus show next week??

  • @stevo6506
    @stevo6506 22 дня назад +2

    But if you look at one of the letters it talks about clancy having a out of body experience during the jumpsuit letter so i still think that tyler and clancy are one and the same

    • @Stolen.Potential
      @Stolen.Potential  22 дня назад +1

      I totally get that. I just don’t think there’s any evidence outside of that line that points to Tyler being the OG Clancy. There’s way more evidence pointing to them being different people. Who knows!

    • @stevo6506
      @stevo6506 22 дня назад

      @@Stolen.Potential well also clancy talks about being in the livestream and talks about being on a island with a torchbearer and one of the neds talks about seeing clancy with a torchbearer on the island

    • @stevo6506
      @stevo6506 22 дня назад

      @@Stolen.Potential also i would like to run a theory by you that clancy might be the child of keons and thats why he is an exception to the rules of seizing being only for bishops because the name clancy means son of the red warrior and keons refers to clancy as child so i think he might be the child of keons

  • @EllieReagan
    @EllieReagan 22 дня назад

    I like what you do

  • @PsyOpCitizen
    @PsyOpCitizen 16 дней назад

    Clancy could be his alternate personality as in Multiple Personality disorder

  • @sampearson19
    @sampearson19 22 дня назад

    Definitely agree with this, except maybe the part about "Clancy is dead" coming from the bishops. Maybe it was Tyler who hid the message/warning to us in the title of SAI. Maybe Clancy refused to perform for them, and they used Tyler to pretend to be him. But after he escaped, he decided to use that momentum and take up the mantle

    • @sampearson19
      @sampearson19 22 дня назад +1

      Unless the bishops wanted us to believe they were seizing Clancy. Also, glad to hear someone finally talk about Morph.

    • @sampearson19
      @sampearson19 22 дня назад

      Or maybe Clancy is the part of Tyler’s brain that’s trying to protect him, like in My Blood

  • @KawaiiMerlin
    @KawaiiMerlin 22 дня назад +1

    Promise me this. If I lose to myself. You won't mourn a day. And you'll move on to SOMEONE ELSE

  • @Hypetrain1999
    @Hypetrain1999 22 дня назад

    Might be more sinister thing happening because like some of the songs are encrypted in soptify app

  • @steffenstwin4
    @steffenstwin4 19 дней назад

    I really like that theory👍🏻

  • @1GMitzy
    @1GMitzy 23 дня назад +1

    It's a solid theory, but then again, the differences in writing could simply be a change in writing of Clancy, or the effect of the circumstances, as the bishops have him and therefore it may not be as easy to write and publish letters.
    Plus, it's not insane to think the bishops would lie about his death as A) - they still are the bishops, and B) - Clancy is the name and selling point of the new album, if it was an adopted name I feel like it would be a detail in the story, and not the entire narrative.
    Besides, you say yourself that self titled was before Josh was in the band, and therefore it has a lower likelihood of being lore related.
    So yeah, it's a good theory, but you need more official clues towards it being true, since it's slightly far fetched in my opinion.

  • @Cat-RobloxComedy
    @Cat-RobloxComedy 23 дня назад +1

    I feel you could be right

  • @funkyfroggie4nomore
    @funkyfroggie4nomore 22 дня назад +1

    I am Clancy. 0:14

  • @lanternwaste8361
    @lanternwaste8361 23 дня назад +1

    I could definitely see this being true!

  • @LnlyCloud
    @LnlyCloud 22 дня назад

    Hard agree.

  • @alexjoseph-255
    @alexjoseph-255 23 дня назад +2

    What is the song in your outro?

  • @U_S_A-freedom
    @U_S_A-freedom 23 дня назад +1

    I KNEW IT

  • @groovyghostnotes
    @groovyghostnotes 22 дня назад

    i like to think clancy is a mindset, not one particular person

  • @videotherapy5052
    @videotherapy5052 23 дня назад +2

    Clancy is great album. True fans will not be disappointed

  • @boywestendorp1324
    @boywestendorp1324 5 дней назад

    It's a really good theory, but it doesn't explain how tyler can also take over bodies. Only the bishops and Clancy can do that

    • @Stolen.Potential
      @Stolen.Potential  5 дней назад

      But Tyler is Clancy. He’s just not the original. The original did not have the ability to seize. Tyler as “Neo Clancy” can.

  • @DAANBRO
    @DAANBRO 10 дней назад

    All I know is it sounds like a lot of parallels to the gospel and spiritual rebirth vs the flesh

  • @Esterferreiradecastro
    @Esterferreiradecastro 13 дней назад

    I dont think the name tyler has ever been mentioned in the lore, has it?
    Idk this theory would make sense if it wasn’t based on trapdoor, the fact he’s playing it now doesn’t give it a different meaning

  • @TheBeanManWhoLovesBeans
    @TheBeanManWhoLovesBeans 23 дня назад +2

    okay but Sally and Dan were creepy asf tho

  • @Kris_Phantom5
    @Kris_Phantom5 10 дней назад

    Could Clancy not be an alter? Tyler say has multiple personalities and another alter helped write the letters 4:25

  • @Ruok98Reborn
    @Ruok98Reborn 20 дней назад

    Anyone else getting a joyboy/luffy vibe from Tyler/clancy

  • @DiegoFigueredo-ee3lq
    @DiegoFigueredo-ee3lq 23 дня назад +2

    HQ leaks, Paladin Strait final Whit The Blurryface voice it's soo good and mysterius

  • @mawijohannruguian8345
    @mawijohannruguian8345 21 день назад

    bro's talking about ATROBD for drop drop drop drop

  • @bearfootbriar7317
    @bearfootbriar7317 11 дней назад

    Wait. Is the dead body in compensate Clancy? Oof.

  • @GaryReyes777
    @GaryReyes777 23 дня назад +2

    Hmmm, 🤔 are we all Clancy?

    • @Stolen.Potential
      @Stolen.Potential  23 дня назад +4

      I believe this will be the point of the album🔥

    • @brodiepace1719
      @brodiepace1719 17 дней назад

      Yes. I think we all have a Dema and a Blurryface inside of us. We must overtake our former selves and follow Clancy

  • @SyrupBadger
    @SyrupBadger 22 дня назад

    Me

  • @ShadeoftheEvening
    @ShadeoftheEvening 21 день назад

    Great theory man! The reason it's called propaganda is because it's FAKE. You did an awesome job and put a lot of thought into this. I haven't been in any discussions about Clancy identity, but I could easily go with your theory. Thanks❤️✌🏻

  • @zaconvr155
    @zaconvr155 22 дня назад

    i think the ending will be tyler ultimately going back to blurryface cause battles will never stop with humans so bluryface will always live in us its a yeng and yang really. tyler is blurryface and you cannot kill a section of yourself without killing yourself also. blurryface needs tyler and tyler needs blurryface

  • @daemonionx
    @daemonionx 22 дня назад

    just because clancy isn't tyler doesn't mean mean tyler isn't clancy. stop your nonsense right now!