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ABOUT: Rebecca Watson is the founder of the Skepchick Network, a collection of sites focused on science and critical thinking. She has written for outlets such as Slate, Popular Science, and the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry. She's also the host of Quiz-o-tron, a rowdy, live quiz show that pits scientists against comedians. Asteroid 153289 Rebeccawatson is named after her (her real name being 153289).
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Participating in cleanup is huge. My biggest insight into the waste produced by smokers was my time as a janitor sweeping a parking lot just outside the smoker's door. Dustpan after dustpan of discarded butts every couple weeks literally made me want to be violent towards people who just toss their cigs.
I totally relate. Had to sweep the parking lot too for a job and my god so many cigarette butts. I would say 90% of the garbage I swept up was cigarette butts.
Volunteering for cleanup after events made me just be disgusted by crowds of people, especially crowds of drunk people.
This really motivates me to properly quit this time
Seriously, WTF makes smokers think throwing their butts on the ground isn't littering?
@@ratamacue0320 The fact that it's so small, and seemingly insignificant. The fact that it's burning and can't be disposed of in the same way as normal litter. I'm not defending it, just to be clear, but I am currently a smoker and those are my insights. There's also the fact that a lot of the people still smoking are just straight-up inconsiderate a-holes
When I was in the Navy, when out at sea, all trash was thrown overboard. Actions like this need to stop if we really want to tackle the issue.
I wish i was suprised or shocked to hear that
This is what I keep coming back to. Yeah, a lot of trash gets out to sea from rivers and coastal pollution, but I can’t help feeling like all the fisherman and seamen out in the middle of the ocean just tossing their trash over the side of the ship is never going to stop.
This tracks. Among all world organizations, the U.S. military is the single largest polluter.
Even if it's in a landfill, plastic is still there. It'll be there for thousands of years. Even if you burn it, or bury it for worms.. It still will be around. It all goes to show that big companies ie coca cola need to change their manufacturing process to something more sustainable and better for our grandchildrens grandchildren. Unless we're going to end up like the dinos. This plastic will be around for entire ERAS. Much longer than any species.
And cruise ships do the same thing..when you look at just how much pollution those cruise ships contribute, it’s just sickening. The main reason while I will never go on one.
I don't live anywhere near the sea, but in my home area in Germany, we used to have a big spring cleaning campaign where school children would go and collect trash anywhere in nature. It was well organized, every school participated, every cleaning group had their own areas and afterwards they would put in the newspaper how much trash was collected. I just looked it up out of curiosity. They're still doing it all over the country. Even this year with corona.
If you want to do something, you could organize one of these events over facebook yourself. it helps. it does.
*carnonas
also good effort.
These efforts are to be praised (teach your kids to not touch something rusty, looking like 80 years old) but overall insignificant to the deposition charge (Pfand) on plastic bottles .... but for americans, Pfand is equal communism ...
Alongside the Rhine river some cities do it where it’s open to any volunteers of all ages. Superficially, I can notice a big difference but I also think it would be nice if the government created a job force to conduct cleaning regularly.
Ok but teamseas does not help less right? I mean when I did this in school it was less that what teamseas reached and i am also German
"There's a woman who has a perspective that differs from mine! Quick, let's be condescending to her!"
I don't think they make that distinction, unfortunately.
"There's a woman!" seems to be sufficient...
@@TapSangBong There could also be "I don't like what is being said so let think up something to attack the person for. That is a female person. We can attack her for that."
And for some of them it's far worse than just condescension. You must know, if you know anything about Rebecca's history, that comments like that last one are just the mildest version of the violent, hateful misogyny and threats she's received in her life. Not that she's the only one, of course! Has it really only been 5 years?
Corporations want us to believe everything is the fault of the individual, and therefore the solution is with the individual. It's a load of crap. Every time I'm out hiking or at the beach, I pick up trash. Every time I hear about how people need to stop using plastic straws, recycle, and carry their own bags, I write to another legislator about strengthening the EPA and increasing fines on polluting corporations.
Things like dropped litter is the fault of an individual or a group of several individuals. Corporations could do more, a coffee shop chain might charge 20p for a non reusable cup, that 1p cup should be either biodegradable and/or reusable but it's the standard one.
corporations would be very angry if their 'it's the individuals' responsibilities! forshame! they buy these products after all!' messages actually drove people to stop buying those products and start making and growing more of their own things themselves instead. but since they know there aren't enough people doing that/able to do that to make a difference, they aren't worried.
(and this isn't to say that everyone should or can start gardening, but growing food at home is a revolutionary act that flies in the face of most of the things that are wrong with our current society and I highly recommend it, at the very least because the food usually tastes significantly better)
Well In a sense it is. I don’t remember the last time I bought a bottled soda or water, I usually take a water bottle that is reusable plastic with me whenever I go most places. Whenever I was in school kids would go to school everyday and buy a bottled water… literally everyday they would spend a $1.50 to buy smart water in a large plastic bottle rather than just bringing a water bottle to school. They are the same girls that preach save the turtles but don’t actually wanna do anything… what I’m trying to say is that is consumers have a big say in what large corporations do… we could very easily boycott Coca-Cola machines that sell bottled sodas and Dasani but we don’t
@@gaugebuseck3375 Ah, the age ole chicken or egg conundrum. Does demand drive production, or does marketing psychology create demand? Your point is true AND consumption as key to our society is a perilous house of cards.
Fines are added to corporations operating budget. You think fining billion dollar corporations even makes a dent of difference? You must be a Biden lover with no brain.
Imagine if Coca Cola actually made recyclable, biodegradable packaging. They could with the amount of money they make. THEY COULD.
It makes me sad just to think how big of an impact it would be to millions of lives and our future, but they choose not to, just to avoid decreasing the profit
Nah plastic is simply cheaper in a production and financial standpoint
It's already recyclable though
Come on I know people like to hate on corporations but most bottles are recyclable (I dunno about biodegradable though)
@@oo--7714 only being recyclable is not sustainable. Not even close to 100% of the plastic is recycled and the cost of the process is high. That's why the first of the "R's" taught in ambiental education is "refuse". If it was biodegradable/compostable, we could be responsible for that trash in a much smaller period of time, therefore causing much less damage, you know?
They already do - it's called aluminum cans. BUT we consumers make it easier and more rewarding for them to use plastic. Until we, the consumers, accept that we are part of the problem, big companies have little motivation to change.
"never change, RUclips"
Well, at least you'll get one of your wishes.
Aside from them "removing dislikes" for only viewers and not the actual video uploaders, of course... 😐
@@crazyluigi6664 Wait... I wasn't aware the content creators would still be able to see the down votes. But I guess gotta have the metrics still bully creators. Lose, lose.
@@Azusartcorner Yep. 😐
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You still see the dislikes if you aren’t logged into your account.
People like Mr beast and Elon Musk have such massive cults of personality around them. Everything they do is good, everything they say should be believed 100%, despite their failures and any well reasoned refutation of their ideas. It's extremely bizarre and really unfortunate.
I can at least believe Mr Beast is just a bit naive but overall genuinely wants to be helpful. Musk is just a soulless automaton who's programmed solely to accrue wealth and 4chan clout0
@@gaiusjuliuspleaser I would have no problem with people claiming Musk is naive (and I actually agree that he is at least in some areas), but "just a soulless automaton who's programmed solely to accrue wealth"? That's Bezos. That's very much not Musk. You can disagree with his ideas, but those particular accusations are completely baseless. Though I'd have no trouble believing that they're ultimately sourced somewhere in the fossil fuel industry, I suspect the real reason is people who see everything in black and white and cling to the first take they've heard.
On the other hand, it's certainly true he has a lot of fanboys. But you can't judge the quality of a thing by its fans.
And just clarify my own position, U usually take public transport, I've never owned a car and don't expect that to change, but I much prefer if the cars driving around me do not pollute the air, and I'll say flat out that Musk has done more to make that a reality than anybody else (and most anybody else's who could have done more are still clinging to fossil fuel-based profits).
You think that's how Jesus got started? He was rolling around Galilea in a turtle neck talking about the future in penis tech: iFore?
@@gaiusjuliuspleaser I have no idea about anything to do with Mr Beast ... but I can say that that soulless automaton is pretty much the only reason the entire automobile industry is being forced to transition to EV's, with big names like VW and Ford publicly stating that they're freaked out about whether or not they'll be able to survive how Tesla has disrupted the industry.
@@KenLord He can still be soulless while doing one somewhat good thing. Henry Ford was literally a Nazi yet he doubled wages. Mind you the only reason he did so was to lower costs. Musk popularizing electric cars is good, but doesn't mean he isn't overall a ghoul.
What your referring to is called a structure test. It is when you ask someone to take an action that is meaningful, visible, and whose results can be easily discerned. It leads to stronger organizations and a better ability to make that next ask.
That's cool. Commenting on my phone now so I'll be able to come back on my computer and forward to my Green Party and XR groups...
@@mikeharrison1868 you really think you did something do you?
@@abdullamohammed_ Hi. Leaving that comment and notifying others didn’t do anything. But I do stuff in the real world, like litter picking, reporting flytipping, campaigning for more green councillors, etc. Best wishes. ;o)
Thank you! I'm a marine scientist and worked on conservation projects, and boy oh boy I cannot stand tech-bro ideas that actively make the problem worse but sound "cool" and simple and thus accrue armies of fanboys. I'm glad Slat is finally putting money toward something useful but I'm honestly still incredibly frustrated that the scientific criticism of his first plans gets shouted down for no other reason than "cool teen has simple idea, wouldn't that be nice".
Exactly, it’s kind of sad how easy it is for a dumb idea to get such support because a young guy did it and fan boys that have no understanding of the science soy face over it
Non sientifically sourced solutions are great because they publicise the issue and generate conversation. Just so long as they defer to opinion by the experts when suggestions are made or issues raised.
Something I always find extra sad is that if you go into these tech-bro communities and make similar 'sounds cool but is really dumb if you know what you are talking about' ideas, all of a sudden they are all about experts telling laymen how wrong they are. There is this strong current of, because they are experts in their tech field, and their field has the best people, they are experts in everything else, esp fields that don't make as much money.
Fanboys... almost as bad as conspiratards
The reality is often boring. People want a cool story and a hero.
As soon as I heard of his initiative, I said to myself, "yeah he has no idea how big the ocean or plastic problem is"
The Oceans are big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big they are. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts compared to Oceans.
Me too, but I think the same of people picking trash, even if they are women. The impact is on millions cooperating to find a solution. Same as the trash picking. Millions billions have seen the videos, millions have participated in a coordinated *non governmental* effort around the world from different countries. Even if it doe not work (I belive it doe not work as a solution to the problem) it is impactful. I will have pay money for a girl and not a boy, and male scientist to do the critique. All people will switch sides. It seems to me that people behave as if life was a sport events. "team a vs team b"
@@matthewmcneany An infinite improbability drive would be handy right about now.
I think a large part of the problem is that people hear "Pacific garbage patch" and some of the legends that surround it, and they picture entire floating rafts made of trash, rather than microplastics. Those floating rafts may be out there, but most of the problem is under the surface.
But he has such a cool, aquatic sounding name!
Boyan Slat is our age in a nutshell. "I'm going to ignore your expertise in favor of my intuition." Does Slat fancy himself an outsider, a disrupter?
People will fervently believe in ANYTHING that promises to solve environmental problems without forcing them to actually examine and change their own consumption habits.
True.
I agree, but at the same time, Industry has done an absolutely effective job of making people feel personally responsible for climate change to use that guilt to distract from their own.
The marketing is strong, yo.
I very much agree that people too often take the lazy way out by donating and then forgetting about it, but at the same time they need to realize that largest contributors by an almost absurd degree are corporately funded and backed by lobbyists.
YEP!
@Kayvee that's coping a bit, even if le evil corporations got removed, humans would still be polluting
@@oo--7714 maybe do some research, over 90% of pollution is caused by corporations.
There's simply no way to make a dent in plastic pollution when you're taking money from one of the world's largest polluters. They'd only pay if it was going to allow them to continue pumping out tons of plastic - and that plastic has to go somewhere.
In their videos they mentioned that the interceptors are solar powered, and they are placed on the small percentage of rivers that are polluting straight to the ocean. It was also shown that it gets all the trash on the surface and doesn’t affect the sea life. And I think maybe if it doesn’t solve the problem right away it’s a good start to get people thinking about it.
You're telling me that these dudes on the internet with poor grammar have _not_ done the meticulous academic research neeed to debunk the original work?
I am as shocked as you are.
Inconceivable.
@@jonessii 😯
Who needs that with a degree in advanced misogyny?
@@Henrik_Holst Available from the Peterson School of Social Sciences at Prager University surely?
Boyan Slat was a grifter and it's kind of sad to see how far he got with his grift. All while sensible criticism was shouted down.
Just add him to the pile
@@cactustactics of plastic
Makes me think of how much everyone rushes to rally behind Elon Musk too.
@@fluffycritter
Oh Elon Musk stans are the most awful breed of fanboys.
Sounds like he has the same problem as Elon Musk -- needing to get credit for something, and funding grandiose schemes. Meanwhile media fail to scrutinize them because they fall for a big, click-prompting personality.
I can tell you for sure, This isn’t all of “Mr. Beasts fans”. It’s just he literally has over 100’s of millions of people watching. It’s a lot easier to write a angry comment than a positive one. You are either hearing from his young audience or that percentage that is dumb and ignorant. I promise you some of these people don’t even remember leaving comments like these, they just think they are funny. A huge audience of Mr Beast (like me) have love, I promise! I think your video is a flawed a little, I just have different opinions on some takes you made, but you brought a lot to my attention. Like I didn’t know there was existing technology already made by someone else. Thank you for coming from a place of love, and coming up with some facts.
Bro she literally made sexist remarks for no reason and that really destroyed her argument lol
@@TheRealWaffles1 What sexist arguments? lol.
@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo ????? Watch the video
@@TheRealWaffles1 Bruh I just watch the video and I don’t see her making sexist remarks or attempting to.
@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo I had a stroike reading that.
"Mangry" is such a great word. It describes some of the most vitriolic and visible abuse that passes for political commentary in the online sphere so succinctly that I can practically see the entitled, toxic dudes furiously typing it up.
I can appreciate it on one level, but it is generalizing. The expectation to not marginalize is placed on people in general, but white males typically are held to an elevated standard for social validity while people who suffer from marginalizing white males use it as a weapon in a socially acceptable way to disparage against those who are offenders while lumping in men who are not. Its understandable that its being used to create an example to draw empathy from, but the hypocrisy also draws considerable counter productive spite. Granted, that does depend on the applicable social circle.
Mangry kind of seems to reinforce toxic masculinity. Even I took a small amount of salt from the word. As someone is not angry. Thats not helpful even if its effective. Its like calling someone a "Karen". Its just being used to target disgruntled men. Mansplaining makes sense... Because most men gloss over details while explaining things. So when you are told someone mansplained something you can expect to need to give a more precise and detailed explanation. Mangry suggests women are incapable of this same response and that is simply inaccurate and a form of negligence since men are already consistently under fire as a whole for "toxic masculinity" and while some things some men do are definitely toxic and needs some reprogramming the reality is its a general assault on men (as if it were a choice to be born with an excess of testosterone or be nurtured into what we become.) When it is not the majority of men that are the issue. We need to stop trying to hurt each other. We should focus more on the future of our planet, our families and our race in that order. That would be the best use of our time and energy.
I still don't understand why are you not #teamseas ? You didnt seem to have an issue with the movement itself. You pointed out the appreciation for beach clean up and specified that teamseas is supporting the right parts of the clean up.
Also it shouldnt fall to one person and his ideas to clean up the entirety of the ocean. Why are we critisizing his project just because it cant answer the problem alone? A single wind turbine wouldnt run a city. A single solar panel wont run a house.its a collective effort and someone needs to take the first step. Talking about the problem like the only solution will be one that answers it immediately and with no drawbacks. But it took a while to become such a problem andthe problem isnt fixed they are simply trying to mitigate the damage. The problem still comes down to the people that have no other means of disposal besides the ocean or rivers that lead to the ocean. And as much as the nets hurt the sea life it sorts through or some times kills I think the difference would be pretty insignificant compared to the inpact the plastics and other trash have on them. Even without dying in nets sea life eats glass or get stuck in plastic bags or in those plastic racks for cans. It just seems a little misguided to hate on someones actual efforts that are at least trying to do something instead of just talking about it.
Edit - I will also mention I am no fan of Mr.beast but I am totally a fan of someone using their fandom/popularity to make helpful and meaningful changes.
If by reinforce, you mean openly mock it without supporting it in any way, I suppose so.
If someone describes, "Female Detected, Opinion Rejected," as Mangry and you get offended at that description, you may want to re-examine what part of the conversation you're identifying with and why.
@@jestagaming8123 mansplaining doesn't mean you didn't go into detail, it means you felt the need to explain something to people (usually women) who didn't need or ask for it. Because men have a tendency to act like we're an authority and everyone needs to hear what we have to say, even if we don't really know anything about the subject. "When you are told someone mansplained something you can expect to need to give a more precise and detailed explanation" is literally the opposite of what you should do! That's just mansplaining more
See this is the thing - it doesn't have to come from a place of superiority or anything, it can just be ignorance, but men tend to be socially conditioned to push their ideas and opinions onto other people, and to believe they're smart and informed. And often to treat women as less important, less capable, people who lack knowledge and understanding and who would benefit from having stuff explained to them
It's not a coincidence that it tends to be dudes all showing up to tell people what's up (yes I get the irony that I'm literally doing that here), and it's not a coincidence that women especially get targetted for this kind of stuff, especially if they dare to express an opinion. It's those attitudes and experiences that get words like "mansplain" and "mangry" coined in the first place - it's coming from a particular place, with a gendered dynamic. And honestly, the "not all men" thing really doesn't help, because that behaviour is stuff that does need criticising. If you get defensive then you're defending it, y'know?
Mangry is an intentionally inflammatory introduction of gender to a disagreement. It seems like taking the low road right away (is this a 'you can't beat them so join them thing'?). I would suggest not sinking to their level.
My brother sent me this video because I was discussing how I found the ubiquity of Team Seas advertising on RUclips suspect. Also the fact that a previous charity effort by Mr Beast and Mark Rober was for a group which supports torturing autistic children and eugenics.
What group was that?
Yes, what group was this?
what group?!
Looks like Google is broken for some, Liz.
For those wondering: Mr Beast and Rober support Next for Autism, a group focused in "erradicating/curing autism". Treating autistic kids like they are "sick" and need a "cure" is a bad approach, those kids and their parents need therapy, education and proper information, and they need it now, instead of sit and wait for someone to "fix them" or "make them normal".
I don't get why there's so much emphasis on MEN and WOMEN in this video. It's as if ocean trash isn't the main issue in question but sexism is.
That's what I thought as well.
"I call it the Burns Omninet! It sweeps the sea clean!"
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"Lil' Lisa's Animal Slurry" 😭
Ocean Cleanup's 2 trawler ships pulled in to port in Victoria BC, Canada near the end of October, at the end of a 12 week effort which netted (hah!) just 29 metric tons of garbage.
About a week later, a container ship caught in a storm in the same area lost 106 containers, and caught on fire. Some of the containers held hazardous materials. Most of them are believed to have sank. But some of them floated hundreds of kilometres north, some making shore and spilling their contents, coating parts of the west coast of Vancouver Island with a hell of a lot more than 29 tons of garbage.
I recently saw a news item about how Heineken is making brick shaped bottles for their product so the empties can be repurposed as actual glass block construction bricks. I think in continental Africa. Thought that was a pretty cool idea.
Look up the projects that Lego has done for similar snazzy ideas with their huge plastic bricks. Cool ideas, but come with a ton of problems such as distribution, how they stand under actual use, the core problems with housing that often times don't depend on the lack of housing
@@sumlem I think that the Heineken brick-bottle idea is to make re-use of a product that will already be in the market. I believe it's being aimed at South Africa specifically right now where their product is already in heavy distribution. Also not necessarily for homes but for general building use. Like in underserved areas in South Africa where someone might need a shed or some kind of utility building perhaps. Not creating a new item out of plastic for a specific use like Lego.
I'm not a fetus so unfortunately I have no idea what a Mr. Beast is.
*fortunately
Finally, someone who is actually smart, is addressing the problems with TeamSeas, instead of just praising a powerful fellow youtuber.
Simon Clark also released a video about this issue.
And The Kavernacle did one about Mr Beast's "charity" in general.
But of course it's even better the more youtubers speak out.
You guys are clueless
@@jagaerroedel3081 Mr Beast's fans are clueless
@@jagaerroedel3081 then enlighten us.
Atletas he’s doing something about it
I meen fair enough, the video is interesting overall and makes some good points. However I have to say I'm not a fan of how she linked the fan's actions directly to the creators by saying that they are sending them after her. People are crazy and will do whatever they want in the end, but saying that Mark Rober or Mr. Beast are sending these trolls out is just wrong and pretty toxic. They are both wholesome creators just looking to improve the world and I recommend that she watch their channels to see that for herself before just assuming that they are toxic assholes out to get her.
If I hadnt found your commen I would have written the same thing
Also the fact that she wonders if mrbeast had mentioned her😂 like no
For someone who can clearly do research, she didn't watch Mr. Beast's video?? Like wouldn't you want all the info if you're going to give a reply?
Yeah, I'm not even gonna bother watching this video because of the petty ass title.
I'm 100% in support of what you said here
You know, your arguements would have been sound, had you not kept strawmanning MrBeast's audience.
Believe me, I lived near the sea half my life, and cleanups were never the answer, but they do help, and most importantly, they change people's minds. A lot of kids in my country are doingtheir ownthing to clean the ocean, inspired by mrbeast. And I live in a third world country where people literally shit on the sea and throw their trash there, and then somehow complain how the fish population is dwindling.
She literally showed their dumb comments in the video lol
@@LisaBeergutHolst there’s idiots that represent every view point. I could easily grab a few of her supporters that can’t form a sentence if that’s how I wanted to portray them.
Generalising is not strawmanning
@@molybdomancer195 can be.
Lmao strawman = directly quoting
I mean, if we stop producing plastics for every single piece of product packaging, than who are we going to sell all our oil to, as the world transitions to renewables/nuclear energy sources? Why are you so insensitive to the plight of oil barons? (sarcasm)
"as the world transitions to renewables/nuclear energy sources?" - _"nuclear energy sources?"_
Don't get my hopes up like that...
It was speeches like the ocean cleanup net idea that turned me off TED Talks
Here’s an actual tip, if you don’t want hate, keep your opinion in your head, shut it up in the most secure prison, burn, melt, break, do anything you can to vaporize the key. Never let it out, and leave it there to die.
Coincidentally "so what have you done" is also the go to response for Elon Musk fans when their lord and saviour is criticised.
A small change can cause ripples to take effect. Before teamseas, my school didn’t have designated recycling bins for plastic. After that, the students pressured the school into getting several recycling bins for all our recyclables. Just the reach the vids got was insane and since their audience consists of the younger generation, it’s a good idea as they leave a much bigger impression that hopefully instills some good habits on the future generation.
Good information, just feels misleading to have a thumbnail that says you aren't for teamseas (and by extension their efforts), just to then say you fully endorse both of the efforts they are funding. I feel like the video could be summed up as immature folks looking for a dig at somebody for calling them on their oversimplification of a global issue. I'm guessing the thumbnail was just good clickbait, oh well.
Oh no! You shot Mr Beast down with math!
She shot Ocean Cleanup down with math. Mr Beast's stunt is Team Seas, which by the looks of it does better overall as far as impact is concerned.
Lesson from me: Don't trust Capitalism "fixing" our world's problems
The money for team seas is advertised as 30 million for river interceptors and 30 million for beach clean ups. Both seem positive in my opinion. As for the river interceptor being not the ocean cleanup's invention. That's a fair argument, but the original creator was evidently not effective at marketing or networking to spread his idea.
"Mangry" I love it and I'm taking it.
It’s honestly pretty sad how quickly he got such fervent support despite to many scientists criticizing it which turned out to be true because I guess a young guy did it and we like young male “geniuses” as a trope in our cultural ethos so other people (in this case a lot of young boys) gravitate and defend it because it sounds cool.
It appeals to the Atlas Shrugged crowd. This is a phase that many young men, including myself, go through and grow out of. I think it's an important part of development, but it's very very easy to take advantage of.
Many "Green" sounding ideas seem more directed at removing green from people's wallets
If there's an initiative to help the environment, look what well-informed environmental youtubers have to say about it. Same for every other topic. (Or leave youtube and look for answers elsewhere.) I knew that #teamseas was likely not a good thing because the people who hadn't participated in #teamtrees but instead criticised it weren't participating in this new "event" either.
Maybe I missed it but if the money team seas is collecting is going to the interceptors and beach cleanups and not the trawler, what’s the problem with team seas?
Yes! You missed it. Better luck next watch!
@@RebeccaWatson ok then maybe point me to that part of the video or explain? This response is douchey
12:30 Thank you for the eye openers but...
I did not know Ocean Cleanup was ignoring constructive criticism from scientists, not properly assessing environmental impact, and being used by plastic makers for greenwashing. One would expect such an effort for change to be steered wisely. However, I would also not expect such a social campaigner as yourself dismissing MrBeast with a remark like that just to give your video a cool ending. He certainly does not encourage anyone to make such comments. Every influencer has dumb fans, and influencers like to be showy by definition, but if you are casually writing off such a genuine person as MrBeast as a dumb misogynist while openly admitting that you didn't even research him, how is that different from the prejudicial discrimination that you are fighting against? Despite that I really appreciate having encountered this video and I "liked" it.
Ofc it is worth noting that MrBeast is by no means perfect; his video concepts are kind of materialistic and he has made a couple of offensive teenager-level jokes before. But he promotes wholesome messages and does not chase drama (not that you do). He probably now makes much more than he gives away, but he does not glorify extravagance and focuses on helping his communities and making differences in peoples' lives. I'd say that's a few orders of magnitude better than a lot of the things many other big youtubers are famous for.
i don't think she was trying to say mr. beast is misogynistic, i think she was just saying that group of his fans who commented are
@@sylphine698 the part at 12:38 calls out influencers for sending folks.
@@NishThakkar do u actually think mr beast told someone to say that
@@bradleywillis935 I haven't seen the Mr. Beast video and if he did encourage that behavior I would have expected a clip or screenshot.
I was responding to the prior person who states she didn't think the video creator was trying to say Mr. Beast sent them.
Hello. I just stumbled across your video. The reason I found your content is because I was (am?) considering donating to #TeamSeas and I wanted to read and hear more diverse opinions on the initiative itself and its proponents.
You raise very good criticisms of Boyan Slat's projects and a great summary of the situation.
People need to stop thinking they can single-handedly tackle hard problems like pollution without changing the minds of their 7.9 billion fellow humans (still growing at a rate of 2.5 every second) as well as tough, entrenched social and economic issues like unsustainable consumerism, inequality, exploitation, and poverty, which in many cases underlie the creation of pollution.
As far as #TeamSeas, my conclusion is that its promoters generally seem to be considered honest persons (meaning they don't seem to be blatant scammers) and the non-profits that are involved seem to be trustworthy as well. In my opinion, donating to such an initiative instead of directly to the non-profits has the added bonus of visibility into a large number of people's news feeds and media outlets.
With that being said, I did find a smudge of distasteful content in your commentary. Why did you have to add a serving of sexist-themed and simply immature terms such as "mangry", "dick anger", "audience of small male children"... to an otherwise very informed piece of content? It makes you look passive-aggressive for no reason at all and has the only effect of weakening your discourse.
lmao the sexist shit made me not listen to anything else she said,if she's gonna be sexist imma be right back idgaf, also teamseas might not be incredibly effective but it's at least something, and every bit helps which is why i donated 500$. I encourage you to do it, it really is a good cause.
I think what she meant is you’d rather use the money efficiently in preventative measures.
The entire projects hard work is undone in 15 hours, however any preventative work is compounded by a cumulative reduction from this point going forward.
The creators have good intentions as do the non-profits, but it doesn’t mean things can’t be improved. And the non-profits should listen to the scientists as they’re most likely to have the answers they seek.
She’s very wangry
@@hey639i think shes just getting back at the rude comments but i agree its extremely immature to not just ignore them and even generalise mr beast fans. you should be the bigger person and respond by not being sexist
@@mataznuiz realistically im responding by invalidating everything she says by it being sexist
I don't think everything has to be separated by gender by referring " male scientist" or "female scientist" . Just whoever is best at the science stuff should be near the top.
Can you please do a video on how one of (if not the main?) source of micro plastics isn't garbage. But it's actually laundry. Our clothes are already micro plastics and washing them breaks them off of the clothes. Which then ends up in lakes, rivers, air, etc.
I think it is a little unfair to blame Mr. Beast or Mark Rober who AFAIK never said anything to their fans about harassing you for the fact that people who watch them are harassing you.
I didnt see her blaming any of them??
@@khxliakhxlia3605 She said they sent their fans to harass her, which is what scarabbi is talking about I think
@@maxor3175 no they didn't. She said in the beginning that she doesnt even know how they saw her video and she didnt even say it was the creators fault. Its obvious she claimed it was some fans on their own🙄
mr beast is if the physical embodiment of virtue signaling and the monopoly man stepped into the transporter from The Fly
Yeah
this and among other things make me so frustrated to see that certain huge channel named after with the latin word for truth to model his channel after mr. beast.
Mr Beast is the guy who does stunts like "I'll spend $10k buying you whatever random video game stuff you can put in this circle in the next 30 seconds", right? I mean, seems like a nice enough guy with his heart in the right place, but the sheer waste of it is horrifying. So many better things to do with that money.
@@davidstorrs Not only the money is wasted :Y
@@Matheuzers not all uses of virtue signaling are reactionary.
stuff like say, topically, plastic straw bans, are legislative virtue signaling. Ineffectual and possibly counterproductive measures taken to signal certain virtues without needing to possess them.
Or BGates' medical philanthropy... while pushing for further privatization of medicine development (see Oxford vax). A virtue is signaled while being subverted by private doings
i dont know squat abt MrBeast so I can't tell of the criticism is fair. But VS isnt an exclusively reactionary term
I don't know mr beast's audience but a big part of the TeamSeas support was coming from educational RUclipsrs. I wasn't very enthusiastic about this one just because of your video previously, so thanks for the status update!
I was confused by the comments so i was ready to disagree with the video. When i listened, it's actually correct.
I haven't looked much into #teamseas but what they're doing was just cleaning up the beaches. I think that would work. Not on a bigger and wider scale but as a start.
And yes, i think it's very hard to clean the oceans. The only thing we can do now is *don't throw your garbage anywhere else than it's designated. Especially not in the ocean.*
I assume you mean "the only thing we can do _about the plastic already in the ocean"._ There's actually a lot more that can, and should, be done to curb over-production of plastic in the first place.
Last year, during Team Trees, I loved your video that I referred to as "fuck trees, team whales!"
A huge portion of ocean plastic is discarded fishing gear. I've seen estimates as high as 50%. The single best thing you can do to prevent plastic waste getting in to the ocean is to stop eating seafood. That has the added bonuses of not killing sea creatures or destroying their habitats.
yeah but that would require people to actually *change* and we all know that asking people to take personal responsibility and adjust their actions accordingly is evil (/s)
Is this an actual good fix? Nah. Is it going to get people interested in something they otherwise wouldnt be and make people aware of a major issue? Hell yes. They never framed their goal as a fix all idea either
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"Technological fixes are not always undesirable or inadequate, but there is a danger that what is addressed is not the real problem but the problem in as far as it is amendable to technical solutions."
(Engineering and the Problem of Moral Overload)
Yoo John Brown profile pic based.
I real appreciate your commentary. What we do and how we try to help matters. And yeah, heard for sure. I hope our society's mentality on personal and corporate accountability changes for the better. Good luck and all
Agreed. It's a shame that Rebecca's channel isn't bigger. Her insight really deserves a bigger following.
Yeah for real. Like things are things that are genuinely solid to learn about. A shame how shock value nonsense gets the most views in a sensationalist society. Idk. I'll try my best to look out and support however I can. If enough people care, things do happen.
Especially on corporate accountability
@@Azusartcorner nah bro ahe made sexist remarks and that made me not want to listen at all because if you start going into politics for no fucking reason then your argument is invalid
@@TheRealWaffles1 Okay. Two things: Politics is everywhere and everything. However, "going into politics" is not what she did in the video.
Oh, and a third as a bonus: Not sure what you are refering to with her making sexist remarks, but I'll humor you: Everyone makes mistakes, you dismissing their opinion on non-related topics is highly emotional and non-logical of you. Proof that they are wrong, or examine your own biases. Are you going to dismiss Einstein's relativity theory, because he said some shitty things? (I don't know if he has, but I have no doubt he said some dodgy stuff by today's standards.)
As soon as a saw this TeamSeas thing literally my first thought was: 'Wait, wasn't this the thing from a while back that everybody qualified to give an opinion said was woefully mismatched to the scale of the problem it was trying to solve and likely to just become part of the problem, but they did it any way; and it turned out to be woefully mismatched to the scale of the problem it was trying to solve and became part of the problem?'
So let me get it straight: It's not quite that thing which was woefully mismatched to the scale of the problem it was trying to solve and became part of the problem, but it's still more like that than the thing everybody qualified to give an opinion says we need to be doing but will mean some incredibly wealthy people will need to invest their own money in their own businesses to not be a burden on the rest of global society.
I find your comments on this particular subject quite insightful and interesting, and I can now quite easily see where your distaste for this Boyan Slat comes from. But a little question. You say that the interceptors actually are useful (despite being plagiarized, but let's leave that aside for now) and that the beach cleanups are also. Isn't the money one would donate to #TeamSeas going to either one of those actions? So wouldn't it be good in both cases? Then why are you saying you are against #TeamSeas? Sure, they are being quite misleading about what they're actually achieving, but it still wouldn't be awful right?
She didn't say she was against team seas?
Tbh mr beasts #TeamSeas videos inspired to pick up my bucket and go cleanup a beach myself, shit on this all you want, also the whole misandry thing is fuckin old
Mr Beast's primary demographic consists mainly of 14 year old xbox kids, so these responses are pretty much on-brand
If the ship you are on is sinking. And no one knows how to plug the hole. Then what you do is bail water until you can fix the hole. Not sit on the sidelines making fun of people trying to keep the ship afloat.
I have no idea who Mr Beast is, but judging by these comments, he must have made a lot of videos about how Rey is a Mary-Sue.
The moment people delude themselves into thinking Mr. Beast is a genius is the moment they're too far gone mentally
Why
She said that mr beast was good
The other guy was who she was criticizing
Watch the full video before you comment
as thing is now he is a good person. it is just that som fans can can go to far of cause not of all them it is a very smell group. you kinda doing the same thing :D
I’m glad you made this video because when I saw the #teamseas video and the design of the cleanup machines, I thought it was a good cause for a lot of the reasons you mentioned (the design of the new machines, the beach cleanups, etc., the video also acknowledged that we needed to systematically stop trash from getting into the ocean in the first place so it seemed like they knew what they were talking about) so I donated $5. I didn’t know much about the history of the guy running the operation and how he really screwed up and plagiarized a design from someone else. I think it just makes me realize I need to be more involved in community outreach and education instead of donating my dollars and feeling like that’s going to do the job.
@jshowa o I agree, I think that sometimes I feel it’s a more practical solution for myself sometimes though. I don’t always have time to donate so I give a little money instead. Ultimately the systemic issue needs fixing, but if I can provide a little reprieve in the meantime, I think that’s worth something. A lot of charities are kinda scammy though so I think I need to reconsider.
#TeamSeas is not run by the guy who copied the design, it is run by Mr. beast and Mark Rober
so basically, team seas is another case of a high school science project that somebody gave a megaphone as a feelgood news filler and it metastasized.
yay, greenwashing.
Nah, not quite. Team Seas =/= Ocean Clean-up
Please rewatch the video with that in mind. Rebecca mentions how Team Seas supports the tech that catches plastic before it spills into rivers, and a second project that has volunteers collect plastic on beaches. Which she approves of.
There is room for criticism of Team Seas, I'm sure, but please don't drop nuance.
As someone who gave money to the project and recently got my update on the new thing, I'm glad to see an outside perspective.
Both the old video and this one made me kinda regret giving money to this...
Also nice info on the beast thingy.
You meant well, and didn't know better. You can't change your actions in the past anymore, but you can let them inform future actions. Have a good day!
don't regret it! Just sign up for a cleanup in your area too :)
I also gave money. Honestly I really wanted the hoodie, tho. So I figure I paid for a product and if it helps a little, cool. If not...I got a hoodie.
Several youtubers I really like and respect cooperated with Team Seas.
It's sad that they got grifted, but I know they did it with well intentions. I just hope they see these criticisms and are warned for the next time.
JFC, these are the sort of comments you have to deal with?! *sigh* Thank you for continuing to make quality content.
On the bright side, I watch all of Rebecca's videos, and the comments are _overwhelmingly_ positive - as you'd expect from those of us who support her. Yeah, there are always going to be angry people making comments, but they're still a small minority. So the world isn't _quite_ as fucked up as that (close, admittedly - especially if you think about all those people supporting _other_ RUclipsrs).
@@Bill_Garthright on this video’s comments alone I’ve been impressed with how fair folks are being to TeamSeas guy, keeping criticism narrow and focused on design and structural problems. In some cases y’all genuinely consider the possibility that Mr beast does want to do real good.
It’s a level of intellectual humility that comes with maturity, I think.
@@Bill_Garthright I agree - most of the comments here are usually both pretty insightful and positive which isn't super common on RUclips. Obviously given how controversial some of the topics are you're always gonna have some angry outsiders crashing the party
Not being allowed to see that dislike button is really fucking annoying
use extension if you watch on pc
curremt dislike ratio is around 2/10
@@khunrocky606 sorry but i don't understand math, could you use numbers please?
@@ju8_hiugo ~900 dislike
@@khunrocky606 disappointing, if only the dislike count was there
Mr. Beast and Mark Rober are not "sending" their audience to attack anyone. A content creator is never going to be able to control what a small percentage of their "fans" do. I'm positive they would criticize those fans for attacking you if they were aware of the situation.
However your personal comments pointed towards them aren't lending you a good image on this. When it comes to ocean clean up facts are facts, but when you go for "...those social media influencers are sending those fans to call those critics stupid man hating bitches..." That is an opinion. Your now attacking the content creator for something they never said nor asked for anyone to do.
Objectively speaking how am I supposed to consider you any better than the small subset of "fans" that attacked you when you do that ?
Do you control everything that your 70K subscribers say ? Does everything that your 70K subscribers say make you happy ?
I would imagine the answer is no. So take those questions and apply them to Mark Rober with 10+ million or Mr. beast with 30+ million subscribers. I would imagine the answer is a resounding no too.
Too much reason for her. Delete the comment.
I understand the problems with ocean cleanup but when I watched the team seas video they said that half would be going to ocean conservatory and that the half that is going to ocean clean up is going towards machines that will only be used in rivers that lead to the ocean. That's an entirely different thing, at least I think. Then again I was never very good at science so if I'm wrong please just go easy on me. I'm just trying to understand better.
Is it because of the Disklike button? instead of just slapping that, they come in a post an Angry comment?
I work for a nonprofit in the bay area and as part of a grant from Ocean Conservancy we had to use their app to track the type and amount of garbage we cleaned up.
While it was time consuming to individually mark each item, it was more frustrating that there was no way to mark the brands whose garbage we were picking up.
I'm sure there is a good use for the data, but I was never clear how it would be contextualized nor for what ends it would be used.
The funny thing about the app is that it ended up making Lake Merritt seem like an enormous garbage pit, haha.
I would not be surprised if TeamSeas turned out to be astroturfed.
Look guys, it’s not because corporations produce and dump a massive amount of garbage into the ocean, it’s because you, the viewer, didn’t care enough.
2:28 what do you mean by small male children are you excluding small female children?
Thanks for this! We often see the good intentions behind these actions but not the actual outcomes. I also follow SciShow, which recently explained why reusable shopping bags might actually be worse for the environment than regular old single-use plastic shopping bags. That doesn't mean we shouldn't keep looking for solutions but that good intentions without any thought to outcomes is causing more harm than good. We need to find the *right* solutions and that's what I think you stand for as well.
What? How?!
Damn gotta watch that video... I'm using reusable bags all the time, I hope the "worse" part refers to many people not reusing them often enough...
@@Shuizid Wikipedia lists a few of the problems: One reusable bag requires the same amount of energy as an estimated 28 traditional plastic shopping bags or eight paper bags. "If used once per week, four or five reusable bags will replace 520 plastic bags a year", according to Nick Sterling, research director at Natural Capitalism Solutions.[4] A study commissioned by the United Kingdom Environment Agency in 2005 found that the average cotton bag is used only 51 times before being thrown away.[5] In some cases, reusable bags need to be used over 100 times before they are better for the environment than single-use plastic bags.
@@Henrik_Holst That's a slight relief. I don't throw these bags away and use them for years. Unfortunatly I got like two dozen of them from various events...
But I don't throw them away and don't buy new ones, so my conscious is fine.
@@Shuizid the same here, a few of them did break quite early though and I tended to also use the old single use ones for months on end so I don't really know what the end sum would be.
However that is possibly a short sighted view of the issue as well since it only looks at the energy expenditure and that is not really the issue with the plastic bags, that plastics is a horrible horrible type of waste is the huge problem so I wonder how much "big plastic" is behind these studies to be frank.
@@Henrik_Holst True... plus looking at energy is ignoring the resources used. Renewable energy doesn't use up limited resources, hence "using more energy" is no big deal there. Whereas single-use plastic is made from fossil-oil and as such literally using up a limited resource.
We have to looking for a quick fix for environmental problems and realise the problem begins with the system that's manufacturing plastic and selling items in plastic or items made of plastic. We also need to stop celebrating nit-wit Elon Musk types who haven't done the ground work to see what effective environmentally friendly products and processes are out there eg fewer "pods", "self drive cars" and more public transport.
Simple analogy. You come home and your tub is overflowing. Do you A) turn off the tap B) grab a mop. A) makes much more sense right? It starts with the big companies stopping the production of plastic! Mopping is necessary, but it doesn't make sense until you stop the water from flowing.
Especially if said companies are ACCELERATING production in response to criticism.
I can't find the original... video(?) you're mentioning, I'm curious!
"You know it's true because it rhymes" lol
They do anything but to consider the actual problem at hand to feel better.
"Small male children" Dying of laughter over here, what a great description.
Do you notice Rebecca; sexism here, or your own? Would you call women "small girl children" or call women "Wangry"?
No right? I note that I have never met a feminist who stood for equality, rather then being female-centric.
It also makes someone a hypocrite when they then complain about sexism, but don't practice what you preach.
I note she also ignored my more thoughtful criticism on the same video, and instead exclusively chose the worst male comments to attack.
About 12 years ago I was working at an event in London with some politicians spouting claptrap about saving lives in Africa. Around that time CocaCola was under heavy criticism because they had bought up the rights to fresh water springs and even ground water. They were pumping so much out that the water table dropped and crops started to shrivel and die. I can't remember which African country, but they had no safe tap water and relied on bottles. Cocacola was astoundingly much cheaper than the water, it having soared in price because of their corrupt monopolising of the limited resource. Additionally, the process of creating 1 litre of CocaCola took something like 5 more litres in the manufacturing process.
They were rightly facing considerable criticism, there was a drought in the region with people dying of thirst while they profited. Additionally there were high rates of cholera and diarrhoea is easily lethal if you aren't provided with copious water they couldn't afford. The Tory Government ministers invited CocaCola to this event where they make a big song and dance about how they were giving back to Africa. That from now on when you bought a box of Coke in Africa, they would for FREE toss in sachets of dehydration salts! The wealthy crowd clapped enthusiastically at their selfless benevolence, well done Coke for saving Africa! It was utterly disgusting and left me feeling queasy for weeks.
Just like in this video, people are quite happy to support a cause that makes them feel like they are doing something for the planet. Coke had their public campaign for others to support, how easy to donate rest assured that Africans are generously being looked after by Western pity with sachets of salts. To actually make a difference would require people to start boycotting Coke, to contact their MPs and try to force the multinational's hand akin to Nestle's milk formula, hopefully before too many babies die this time. It requires the public to accept that the west is not the hero, that we are still exploiting Africa and to make a stand.
But no, far easier to tweet #teamafrica and donate money to CocaColas exploitation whitewash charity. The super rich and influential are given praise for philanthropy while they divert money from incredible charities who have worked in the region for decades alongside scientists, engineers and innumerable experts. It is not even benign, the corporate lead expertise free campaigns actively damage the real work being done with lasting impact.
Sorry for the rant, but your mention of CocaCola brought back that old frothing rage at the same company yet again using the same tactic and somehow it is still working.
Teamseas is for ocean cleanup, what star trek is for science education.
Sure it has little meat to it, but it gives people a sense of wonderment and potential interest that may very well drive them to do something substantitive, and that in itself has immense value.
didn't expect you to be here
These people won't value your opinion. They want attention from their absurd opinion and useless negativity.
More likely it will give people a false feeling of having done something to fix the problem, freeing them from the need to make or lobby for substantive changes to the systems that created it. Meanwhile the problem itself will be largely unaffected as well.
@@satyamprakash6139 Negativity is far from useless, especially when there are better alternatives than paying other people to pick up trash.
Except space isn’t hoarding micro plastics that’ll end up in our food. So what people feel fuzzy from this, fuzzy doesn’t help especially if what’s causing the fuzzy feelings is also ineffective to a comical degree.
I do think campaigns like #teamseas do a lot to raise awareness and excitement for tackling the issue of ocean plastic, which builds momentum for people to put pressure on corporations and governments to make further changes. Lawmakers can only do so much without widespread popular support for an initiative. Think about the backlash the plastic straw ban had. Several times in Mark Rober's video he admits that this is not nearly enough to eliminate all ocean garbage, but that this campaign is to send a message that people do care about this issue.
Fun fact:
The ocean is filled with litter and you sit here hating about #TeamSeas instead of doing anything
Guess I'm old, but I remember when nearly everything came in recycleable glass or metal containers, or used paper products for packaging. Granted, pollution was much worse but at least we weren't drowning in plastic!
Beach cleanups do help, I've done one in Sonora at El Golfo de Santa Clara and numerous clean ups in the Desert. Way to many illegal dumps in the desert.
Don't you know that what right wingers call recycling.
In San Diego I went to la Jolla and tried to help out the workers who were "cleaning" the beach by removing the rocks with crude oil on them. Yet, when I pointed out the oil rocks to them, they said that they were given directions not to scrub them, but to collect them. BUT THEY WEREN'T COLLECTING THEM. I watched the workers walk past, I mean about 30-60 people with damn near NOTHING in their bags.
Not everyone who get paid to do the cleanups are ACTUALLY cleaning, nor helping.
Also, reminds me of that deet drums they found off the coast of LA.
Like a few comments already mentioned, you made some very good points, but you kind of used hasty generalization for the entire fanbase. I’m so sorry you had to encounter such immature people from this community, but to generalize kinda hurts. Yes, the initiative is not a permanent solution, but I believe that it can indeed bring change, even by a little. It also helps bring awareness to the problem, which is always a good thing. Again, I really appreciate hearing your perspective, it gave me a lot to think about. Have a good day!
movements like this annoy me. rather than trying to fix the actual problem they make a bandaid patch that's like trying to stop a cut off limb bleeding with a square centimetre of fabric
A container ship caught on fire by my house and these two ocean cleanup ships came and helped put out the fire, they're doing some nice side-work at least.
When you talk about beach cleanup vs. donations you're talking about the difference between green living and greenwashing.
I can't swim, and I was too scared of drowning to learn. But knowing you surf makes me happy. It must be a lot of fun. Thank you for making your videos.
As much as all of your criticisms are valid, fact of the matter stays that we have to somehow get the trash out of the ocean.
Is it more important to stop trash from entering? Yes
Is 70% of the trash too small and too deep to be collected? Yes
Do ships burn fossil fuel to get the trash out of ther? Yes
Is any of that a reason not to do it? In my opinion, hell no.
I think it’s more of addressing the problem of stopping tons of plastic from entering the ocean first before trying to tackle the problem of taking all of the plastic out of it. Sure, we can try to take out as much plastic from the ocean that we can, but more plastic than ever will still end up back into the ocean. Btw, I’m not saying you’re wrong or anything like that, I’m just stating my thoughts on the matter.
@@yeetbeanz You are absolutely right. The thing is saying I don't wanna support A because we need B more is the classic case of nothing happening at all.
I just dont like seeing people argue over stuff like that when they are actually on the same side while the idiots who are mainly responsible for the problem are just watching and laughing.
So I lived in Peru in my childhood. We had coke in glass bottles. They came in crates of 24. You would return the crates with the empty bottles to the vendor (beer too). Then they would collect them. At school one of my elementary field trips took us to the factory where they showed us how they sanitized the bottles to be reused. Was this ever implemented in the US? Like back when they used glass bottles?
I was suspicious when the Team Sea stuff popped up thanks to the "oh look at how great we are tech bro-esque" promo material, but didn't look into it too far. Not shocked to learn about all these caveats.
It's unfortunate we need to be so cynical about initiatives with good intentions, but a lot of times the feel good projects at the center of them are this sort of flashy, useless and quite possibly actively harmful undertaking.
It seems like Rebecca could have emphasized more that Ocean Cleanup and Team Seas aren't the same. A lot of people are conflating the two. Team Seas only supports the Ocean Cleanup tech that catches plastic from rivers (which is good), not the ships dragging a net throught he ocean. There is still valid criticizm here, but it should be to the point.
@@Azusartcorner Have you looked into the ships dragging the net through the ocean side? I feel Rebecca didn't do it justice comparing it to illegal trawling.
Their net specifically designed not to catch marine life and is actively monitored through a camera skiff by a marine biologist onboard the main vessel.
It seems the main contention is the fossil fuels burnt by the ships, but they are working on reducing that as well with low-carbon fuels and other modifications to the ships propulsion.
They eventually hope to be carbon neutral, but they are trying to get started on an otherwise unsolvable problem which will never go away on it's own. Over the next decade, they can get better ships, but here in the testing phase they have to use what they have.
And they have already removed over 27,000 kg of plastic from the Pacific Ocean over the last few months. Most of that time was spent testing the system and making sure that the camera skiff was operating properly so they wouldn't endanger marine life.
They are also doing a lot of real, peer-reviewed science on the problem of ocean plastic. They sampled all the way down to 2,000m below the surface and manually collected and analyzed more than 12,000 plastic fragments larger than 0.5mm.
These aren't just some sham tech-bros as they have been called on other comments. There is legitimate and important science being done by these guys. Sure, their original design didn't work, but I think she mischaracterized it when she said it broke apart and became ocean trash. Their website says that it broke and the crew and system were safely returned to shore.
That story about meeting the litter pickers is so wholesome
Frankly, laws and fees need to be enforced and made much more severe when it comes to throwing rubbish into the ocean. It’s simply too easy.
He's not trying to single handedly solve the ocean pollution problem but instead get younger people to care more and see what they can do, even if they can't go out to the beaches themselves to clean it. He is one man and he knows he can't fix the ocean by himself. That's why he started something to get the ball rolling, to get a conversation started, to make an example. I feel like you and a lot of other "creators" are reading into it too much or at least reading the whole situation wrong.
I really connect with your love of the ocean; I also don’t know what I would do without it! Okay, that out of the way, here’s what I want to say. This is gonna be long:
I agree that TeamSeas cannot solve the underlying problems, but it definitely has its place. Popular social influencers educating their (mostly young) fan base is important. Raising awareness that these issues exist is important, and I firmly believe that education is the key to change. Also, everyone involved is connecting with the environment in a way that will impact their own lives, and who knows the change that could lead to?
I think TeamSeas has the opportunity to do a whole lot of good. They’ve already gotten public attention - now, let’s use that attention and direct it towards the big picture. After all, every wonderful idea the science community has that could help stop the problems are useless if nobody outside the community, the people who will enact these ideas, knows it exists.
Also, don’t pay mind to the angry comments - they’re definitely children. They weren’t sent by influencers, though, they really are just children who think you’re attacking their role models. Which, you aren’t, but children don’t really understand that 😂
Also also, just an FYI, I think the title of your video is a biiiiit agressive. If you frame the video in a negative light, people will come to the video in a negative state of mind. The world is already distressed enough, and adding more fuel to the fire (especially when interacting with children); I just don’t know if it’s useful. I say this with so much love. You don’t have to listen, of course, but I can always say it! 😁
Whew, thanks for coming to my TedTalk, I guess 😂 You have a good day!
A lot of words to defend "popular social influencers", when 99% of the video isn't even about them lol
Getting major KONY2012 vibes from teamseas
I donated to team seas before I realized it was partly Boyan Slat behind it.
I regret donating.
> thumbnail: i am not team seas
> Video: i am team seas