Everyone before this was talking about how Rodgers was gonna fall off. The fact that he’s 12 years older than Mahomes at 37 and he’s in the MVP debate? I mean that just shows how good of a player he is
@@user-vn7hp4nq6e Giannis had better stats than Lebron and iirc a higher seed overall, mahomes is beaten by Aaron Rodgers in almost every stat and but he has a record... it's not the same at all.
@@user-vn7hp4nq6e ? What does that have to do with what I said? I'm confused? Who cares if it's a tougher conference? Lebron had worse stats and a worse team record Giannis and the bucks were better in the regular season. The chiefs are better but Aaron Rodgers is better than mahomes rn.
Stephen A is annoying in this one. Max is allowed to change his mind about who an mvp is when someone is clearly playing better. Arguments change as seasons goes on because players, records, and stats change.
also i think max this whole time has agreed that mahomes has really good weapons, and he just says that despite that- he still thinks mahomes is the best (obviously right now rodgers is the front runner but generally speaking)
mark s I’m a bears fan and Stafford is not the most underrated qb in the league He’s talented but not that good he has weapons but doesn’t get the job done
@Blitzer Wraith of course he plays better. What other good QB wouldn’t play better with those weapons? Put Russ, Rodgers, Breese, or Tom in the Chiefs system and I’m pretty sure they’d have same or even better stats than Mahomes.
@@008penguin3 come on brees have one of the best offenses and Brady has better weapons than anybody before Patrick mahomes sammy Watkins,tyreek hill and lleve were just fine players now they are stats or at least above average
Not a debate. It's Mahomes. Easy argument too. Rodgers lost to Kirk Cousins and the 1-5 Minnesota Vikings in Lambeau The Packers have only played 3 winning teams the ENTIRE season and they are 1-2 in those games. And by season's end they will have only played 4 winning teams all season long. They are extremely untested and overrated. Meanwhile Patrick Mahomes is 5 and 1 against winning teams this year.
@@truzzprod.8191 Well they've played 6 winning teams, how have they not played comp? Also, they played Tampa Bay who absolutely wrecked the Packers, and they wrecked them.
@@CH-xt4cr Rodgers has the better numbers, Rodgers has worse players. And the game against minnesota was not his fault, he actually did really good that game the reason they lost was because their run d is absolute garbage
True i think rodgers has had 1 bad game and 1 average so-so game. And mahomes has had 1 bad game also but 3 so-so games like this game against dolphins ur referencing.
@@blick5511 nah chiefs defense and special teams gets the credit for the win. I mean 8 dolphin drives ended in either a punt or a turnover or a safety for chiefs or a return td for chiefs. Mahomes was average and if he was even slightly above average it wouldve remained a blowout. Yards need context.
@@mosehlewi3081 lol take away Mahomes 2 TD passes and they lose. You're reaching to try to discredit his performance. Mahomes was the only way the offense could move the ball. The Chiefs running game was a non factor.
@@blick5511 still rushed more than Fins. And take away tyreek hill run and hardman return tds they lose. He was average thats on the real. I give credit where its due. 2 td passes is average considering 3 ints. Come on now.
@@tomasdavila2166thats when the saints had no idea what they were doing, they were a pass first team without mike thomas and their defense was lazy and slow
@@ChickySandys nah your defense did lmao mahomes isn’t doing anything special if you switch him with Rodgers he’s doing the same thing if not better as his numbers show, it would be a shame if you guys were constantly losing with the weapons you have that’s nothing to brag about
Yoo i agree man, i cant stand the disrespect from SAS...its okay to disagree and argue but man does he insult him directly and get super personal with him
Not a debate. It's Mahomes. Easy argument too. Rodgers lost to Kirk Cousins and the 1-5 Minnesota Vikings in Lambeau The Packers have only played 3 winning teams the ENTIRE season and they are 1-2 in those games. And by season's end they will have only played 4 winning teams all season long. They are extremely untested and overrated. Meanwhile Patrick Mahomes is 5 and 1 against winning teams this year.
Let's not forget that football is a team sport. You win and lose as a team. The Packers defense may look okay on paper when it comes to statistics, but those numbers are inflated when you take into account that they have played with double digit leads in a number of games. You can't knock Aaron Rodgers for the defense not being able to stop Dalvin Cook against the Vikings or for letting Indy walk up and down the field, eating up clock and keeping that porous defense on the field in the second half of that game. Mahomes benefits from having a better, more opportunistic defense to help close out games. Take the Miami game for example. Chiefs offense scored 23 points against Miami's defense and Miami's offense scored 27 points on Chiefs defense. But thanks to a safety and a punt return for a touchdown, the Chiefs get the W. By all accounts, Mahomes defense and special teams bailed him out in that game. I cannot say the same thing for Rodgers and the Packers defense
@@CH-xt4cr key word the “PACKERS” lost. Rodgers has a worse team offensively and defensively. Football is a team sport. If Rodgers plays bad than the Packers play bad, if Mahomes plays bad than he gets bailed by his defense and elite receivers. I’ve watched him YEET a pass into double coverage and Tyreek or Travis make an amazing catch, but had Rodgers done that then it would be dropped and or intercepted. Teams matter a lot when talking about stats. Mahomes only leads in one stat (wins aren’t a stat, Jimmy G has tons of wins, but his stats are okay). If he leads in only one stat, then why do you think he’s better? Yes he’s played good against good teams, but Rodgers does that all of the time; that doesn’t mean that your defense with not let 35+ points be scored. Mahomes is great, but wait until he has less weapons and we’ll see if he’s one of THE greats.
@@CesarRodriguez-hw4yl Both guys are valuable to their team, but if you just say "team" instead of the "league" it kinda undercuts it. I just wanted to know if that's how he was thinking.
All I know is the Chiefs helped Matt Moore put up elite numbers and Alex Smit has best season ever in 2017. Andy Reid also gave Nick Foles and Donovan McNabb his best seasons.
Only thing mahomes has beat on rodgers in terms of QB play is yards. Aarod has more TDs. Better QBR. Better passer rating. Better completion %. Respect to mahomes but I think rodgers deserves this one
ESPN are obsessed with always representing both sides in an argument instead of letting people speak what they actually believe. SAS believes Rodgers is the MVP, but production forced him to oppose Max's statement, so he made up some really bad arguments
Not a debate. It's Mahomes. Easy argument too. Rodgers lost to Kirk Cousins and the 1-5 Minnesota Vikings in Lambeau The Packers have only played 3 winning teams the ENTIRE season and they are 1-2 in those games. And by season's end they will have only played 4 winning teams all season long. They are extremely untested and overrated. Meanwhile Patrick Mahomes is 5 and 1 against winning teams this year.
@@Phildillrides if he’s doing more with less that makes him more skilled logically, right? Ik mahomes in younger and has a big career ahead of him AND has time to get even better, but rn Rogers seems like the better QB
ikr . people act like the chiefs could start nick foles and still be this good. No they wouldnt. Mahomes turns this team from good to unbeatable just off his talent
Not a debate. It's Mahomes. Easy argument too. Rodgers lost to Kirk Cousins and the 1-5 Minnesota Vikings in Lambeau The Packers have only played 3 winning teams the ENTIRE season and they are 1-2 in those games. And by season's end they will have only played 4 winning teams all season long. They are extremely untested and overrated. Meanwhile Patrick Mahomes is 5 and 1 against winning teams this year.
@@CH-xt4cr did Rodgers lose or did his team lose? Against the vikings did he allow Dalvin to get 4 TDs? No. Against the colts did he cause his team to turn the ball over a bunch of times? I'll give you the Bucs game that was terrible. But wins are a TEAM effort
The TD argument is so misleading. Rodgers is notorious for 1-yard touchdowns, of which he has 7 this year compared to just 1 from Mahomes. For TDs within the 5-yard line, Rodgers has 17 (44% of his passing TDs) compared to 9 from Mahomes (27% of his passing TDs). Rodgers' median TD pass is 7 yards compared to 10 from Mahomes, and his average is 15.6 compared to Mahomes' 18.7. So yeah, he has 6 more passing TDs but also 6 more 1-yard TDs. Their QBR is only 0.7 apart so that's a wash. Give me the guy who takes his team down the field more (around 550 more passing yards) and has 2 more wins. Not to mention Rodgers' worst game of the season is by far worse than Mahomes', but recency bias is a thing I suppose.
The only thing I can say is it’s kinda dumb that Mahomes “lost the MVP” because he had one sub par game all year, where he also threw 400 yards against a great defense. One bad game and you’re out? We’ll see what happens next 3 weeks.
Well he's certainly not "out" by any means, but Rodgers has a clear lead after week 14. Rodgers had one bad game in week 6 so no I don't think one bad game is a disqualifier, Mahomes bad games just came at a bad time, there aren't a lot of games left to make up that ground.
How this show works: Max makes his point, most of the time the right one, all of the time logically sound and clearly stated; SAS sais he's wrong and insults him; the black guest (because 4 out of 5 guests are black) laughs at SAS insults to Max; Molly weighs in and tries to mock Max, but nobody cares. Watchful eyes Here, keep It up Max
He’s the closest to Rodgers I’ve seen in a long time he’s really good he’s like a young Rodgers I don’t really care if Rodgers gets it cause of mvp curse
Stephen A Smith is saying Mahomes doesn’t have many weapons? He literally has the legion of zoom, arguably the best TE in the league, and Clyde Edwards and Leveon Bell? Straight capping
thats cap mahomes be putting his fingers up when he played the bears and trubisky and also played the ravens and held his fingers up again because lamar got number 1 on nfl 100
@@jrueziix2123 well yea but he’s not gonna cry if he doesn’t get it there’s a bigger prize, the Super Bowl, which Kansas City will and for years to come win at least 5 this decade
Who plays on the better team? Let's review. Davante Adams vs. Tyreek Hill. Big Bob Tonyan vs. Travis Kelce. Coach Andy Reid vs. Matt LeFleur. Who has the advantage based on those 3 sets of teammate/coaches: Rodgers or Mahomes?
Stephen A is completely wrong. You should’nt just stick with your prediction and ignore the numbers. When the numbers change, your opinion can change also.
A-Rod is my pick but why not a Co-MVP and basically they're the same type of player but Mahomes is just younger. We need a SB between A-Rod and Mahomes like asap.
A Super Bowl 1 rematch with Rodgers vs Mahomes?!?!? That would be amazing. That would be the most watched super bowl of all time for years to come if it happened. Also I feel like co-mvp doesn't happen anymore. That would be cool but I see this playing out like 2016 mvp race. Rodgers had an MVP worthy season but Matt Ryan was just a little bit better. Barring any major changes i see that happening this year with Mahomes, MVP worthy year but it's just bad luck for him that Rodgers went off like this.
Very unprofessional segment. SAS really goes at Max in such an uncomfortable way sometimes. I think there's legit bad blood between them. Probably because Max tries so hard to have an aura of professional certainty and is robotic and unapproachable on a personal level SAS is getting tired of it. Molly doesn't help laughing AT people like she's on any intellectual high ground to laugh at people's sports opinions. Louis who is a very middle of the road analyst just sitting there laughing. Awkward all around.
Personally, it shouldn’t even be as close of a discussion as it is. Rodgers is doing more with less. He may not have as many passing yards at Mahomes, but his QBR, and TD/Int ratio is better. However, not even looking at the age difference, the main thing that I feel people forget about is that the award is called MVP for a reason. Who is the most VALUABLE. If you take Mahomes out of KC, that is still a solid team. If you take out Rodgers, that Green Bay team is not even a breaking .500
EXACTLY! Massive bias in favor of Mahomes because the media has been doting over him for two years straight. This race is not as close as people are pretending it is, Rodgers has a VERY CLEAR LEAD after week 14. The MVP is Rodgers' to lose right now
I don’t understand why people keep saying “Mahomes is overrated because he has the best weapons”. It doesn’t make sense. When a QB doesn’t have weapons everyone wants to say it’s not their fault that their not good because they have no one to throw to, but when they do have weapons, their success isn’t valid because they play with a good team.
@@tombrady4449 packers drafted rodgers successor while chiefs gave mahomie a stud rb. With combined best te in the game and t. Hill. Name me who packers signed in free agency to help rodgers. Get real
You know 2020 is crazy when Stephen A says, “LET MOLLY SPEAK!”
nah its probably just national sarcasm day
You win the Internet Michael.
🤣🤣🤣
It’s even more crazier when Molly actually puts SAS in his place and is RIGHT ABOUT IT😳
Pandemic sure done changes our lives forever how we truly feel
I can just imagine Mahomes and Rodgers watching this segment together and just laughing at the nonsense with a beer in their hands.
@brett Donaghue LMFAO fax! But the state farm commercials if both teams go too the superbowl though gonna be 🔥🔥🔥
@@kharissmarrow dude it’s a win-win for State Farm
@@Panther2323 exactly!! 😂😂 they need too get on this asap👀
Aaaaaannd cue State Farm commercial after the video. . .
@@kharissmarrow State Farm Super Bowl would be hype. That’s the matchup I’m hoping for the most. Could be the best super bowl in years
Everyone before this was talking about how Rodgers was gonna fall off. The fact that he’s 12 years older than Mahomes at 37 and he’s in the MVP debate? I mean that just shows how good of a player he is
Brady won an MVP at 38
@@user-vn7hp4nq6e Giannis had better stats than Lebron and iirc a higher seed overall, mahomes is beaten by Aaron Rodgers in almost every stat and but he has a record... it's not the same at all.
Infamous he won one at 40 in 2017 and was in the conversation this year at on point at 43
AS A DIEHARD CHIEFS FAN SINCE 1979 I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE
@@user-vn7hp4nq6e ? What does that have to do with what I said? I'm confused? Who cares if it's a tougher conference? Lebron had worse stats and a worse team record Giannis and the bucks were better in the regular season. The chiefs are better but Aaron Rodgers is better than mahomes rn.
Stephen A is annoying in this one. Max is allowed to change his mind about who an mvp is when someone is clearly playing better. Arguments change as seasons goes on because players, records, and stats change.
also i think max this whole time has agreed that mahomes has really good weapons, and he just says that despite that- he still thinks mahomes is the best (obviously right now rodgers is the front runner but generally speaking)
*Stephen A always Annoying LOL*
Especially coming from Stephen A who changes his mind every other 2 days..
@MMA MMA I said that???????????lmao
@MMA MMA no one said rodgers has no weapons...
Stephen tried to use molly and it backfired 😭😭
That's what he gets for trying to include her after all she's done
Gives her an inch... she took a mile 🤣🤣
@@ericcartman5952 Lol you make her sound like she robbed a bank.
@@ralx225b no way bro. That'd be far too disrespectful to bank robbers
@@ericcartman5952 Lol hahahhahah can't even get mad at that.
Max: Right now, Rodgers is the MVP
SAS: You're not allowed to say that because you're a Mahomes fan.
He is right tho
Logic is dumb af, just because he likes Mahomes doesn’t mean he can’t say that Rodgers is MVP. I’m a Chiefs fan and as of THIS MOMENT, Rodgers is MVP.
@@bonez0014 Mahomes winning it tho
Nick VanAnda depends on how he plays next few weeks
I’m a Mahomes fan but A-Rod took first place last week
SAS loses another argument. How surprising
He thinks that screaming will help him when he gets out debated but max get so much hate he get tuned out he is a good and smart analyst
If Rodgers is taken off Green Bay they would turn into the Detroit lions.
And if you give them Matt Stafford too (or another average qb)
Stafford could easily win a ring if he wasnt so loyal to the lions. He's easily the most underrated qb in the nfl.
@@BaeHelpTrey who gonna throw him the ball?
People act like the Chiefs weren't winning 10+ games a year without Mahomes. Matt Moore and Alex Smith were winning games with Andy Reid.
mark s I’m a bears fan and Stafford is not the most underrated qb in the league
He’s talented but not that good he has weapons but doesn’t get the job done
Aaron definitely should be front runner right now
@Blitzer Wraith Mahomes has way more to work with though which also dictates stats
@Blitzer Wraith of course he plays better. What other good QB wouldn’t play better with those weapons? Put Russ, Rodgers, Breese, or Tom in the Chiefs system and I’m pretty sure they’d have same or even better stats than Mahomes.
@@008penguin3
Rodgers allready has better stats than Mahomes now
Rodgers deserves mvp
@@008penguin3 come on brees have one of the best offenses and Brady has better weapons than anybody before Patrick mahomes sammy Watkins,tyreek hill and lleve were just fine players now they are stats or at least above average
You know it’s bad when Molly was the most sensible...
I’m on Max’s side in this because Stephen A hurt my ears
3:01 never thought I’d hear the words ‼️
Same
None of us did
Rodgers has more touchdowns and less interceptions than Mahomes. Stats speak for themselves, Rodgers is the MVP
And a better completion percentage but not as many yards
Sadly that’s not just it rodgers i think is the mvp but it could go either way honestly
Jonah Cannon Rodgers is better in every aspect other than yards. TD-INT ratio, passer rating, qbr, etc
Cesar Rodriguez Rodgers should win this easily
Mahomes has ran out of yards to throw for
Everyone riding Mahones di... I mean wave. Aaron Rodgers deserves MVP.
So you're riding Rodgers D then?
Not a debate. It's Mahomes. Easy argument too. Rodgers lost to Kirk Cousins and the 1-5 Minnesota Vikings in Lambeau The Packers have only played 3 winning teams the ENTIRE season and they are 1-2 in those games. And by season's end they will have only played 4 winning teams all season long. They are extremely untested and overrated. Meanwhile Patrick Mahomes is 5 and 1 against winning teams this year.
@@CH-xt4cr the Chiefs haven't played comp either really
@@truzzprod.8191 Well they've played 6 winning teams, how have they not played comp? Also, they played Tampa Bay who absolutely wrecked the Packers, and they wrecked them.
@@CH-xt4cr Rodgers has the better numbers, Rodgers has worse players. And the game against minnesota was not his fault, he actually did really good that game the reason they lost was because their run d is absolute garbage
Rodgers is MVP. If Mahomes can have 3 picks and the chiefs still winning. If Rodgers had that kind of game the Packers get blown out.
True i think rodgers has had 1 bad game and 1 average so-so game. And mahomes has had 1 bad game also but 3 so-so games like this game against dolphins ur referencing.
If Rodgers has that kind of game he throws for 160 like he did vs Tampa. Mahomes also threw for 390+ and two TD's, still a major reason why they won
@@blick5511 nah chiefs defense and special teams gets the credit for the win. I mean 8 dolphin drives ended in either a punt or a turnover or a safety for chiefs or a return td for chiefs. Mahomes was average and if he was even slightly above average it wouldve remained a blowout. Yards need context.
@@mosehlewi3081 lol take away Mahomes 2 TD passes and they lose. You're reaching to try to discredit his performance. Mahomes was the only way the offense could move the ball. The Chiefs running game was a non factor.
@@blick5511 still rushed more than Fins. And take away tyreek hill run and hardman return tds they lose. He was average thats on the real. I give credit where its due. 2 td passes is average considering 3 ints. Come on now.
this wasn’t a debate, this was a war😂
Molly can stay if she comes with this energy 😂😂🙌🏾
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Facts😂
Aaron is the mvp right now clearly. Less weapons, less int, more tds, better qbr.
Mahomes is the mvp
Literally the easiest way to put it. Yes mahomes is great but Rodgers is better right now.
the best team they've played is the bucs and they lost to them they have a easy schedule
@@mediocreszn2445 they beat the drew brees saints without davante, thats tough
@@tomasdavila2166thats when the saints had no idea what they were doing, they were a pass first team without mike thomas and their defense was lazy and slow
It’s clearly Rodgers if you watch the games he is way more valuable to his team but he’s also performing much better with less
Thank u!
Against way worse teams
@@lwatkins5008 the chiefs literally have the 6th easiest schedule wdym 🤣🤣
@@elijah4194 we beat 5 teams with a winning record Rodgers beat 1 team goofy
@@ChickySandys nah your defense did lmao mahomes isn’t doing anything special if you switch him with Rodgers he’s doing the same thing if not better as his numbers show, it would be a shame if you guys were constantly losing with the weapons you have that’s nothing to brag about
“Stephen A, you flip too” the happiest I’ve ever been to hear Molly talk. 100% Stephen A flip flops every take
SA should have respect for max. Quit belittling/interrupting the guy and let him have his time to talk.
It’ll probably never happen, but if I ever get a chance to see this guy in person I will tell him straight up that he’s just disrespectful to max
Yoo i agree man, i cant stand the disrespect from SAS...its okay to disagree and argue but man does he insult him directly and get super personal with him
@@AlexanderRodriguez-ie3yi SA thinks he is everything and his takes are the only one that's right.
Best molly section in 60 years
Clearly it’s Rodgers. Let’s wait a few years and see how Mahomes is with less weapons before we crown him
Not a debate. It's Mahomes. Easy argument too. Rodgers lost to Kirk Cousins and the 1-5 Minnesota Vikings in Lambeau The Packers have only played 3 winning teams the ENTIRE season and they are 1-2 in those games. And by season's end they will have only played 4 winning teams all season long. They are extremely untested and overrated. Meanwhile Patrick Mahomes is 5 and 1 against winning teams this year.
Let's not forget that football is a team sport. You win and lose as a team. The Packers defense may look okay on paper when it comes to statistics, but those numbers are inflated when you take into account that they have played with double digit leads in a number of games. You can't knock Aaron Rodgers for the defense not being able to stop Dalvin Cook against the Vikings or for letting Indy walk up and down the field, eating up clock and keeping that porous defense on the field in the second half of that game. Mahomes benefits from having a better, more opportunistic defense to help close out games. Take the Miami game for example. Chiefs offense scored 23 points against Miami's defense and Miami's offense scored 27 points on Chiefs defense. But thanks to a safety and a punt return for a touchdown, the Chiefs get the W. By all accounts, Mahomes defense and special teams bailed him out in that game. I cannot say the same thing for Rodgers and the Packers defense
@@CH-xt4cr mahomes had three picks and a fumble last year as many turnovers as Rodgers all year plus the loss to Vikings was with jones out
@@CH-xt4cr key word the “PACKERS” lost. Rodgers has a worse team offensively and defensively. Football is a team sport. If Rodgers plays bad than the Packers play bad, if Mahomes plays bad than he gets bailed by his defense and elite receivers. I’ve watched him YEET a pass into double coverage and Tyreek or Travis make an amazing catch, but had Rodgers done that then it would be dropped and or intercepted. Teams matter a lot when talking about stats. Mahomes only leads in one stat (wins aren’t a stat, Jimmy G has tons of wins, but his stats are okay). If he leads in only one stat, then why do you think he’s better? Yes he’s played good against good teams, but Rodgers does that all of the time; that doesn’t mean that your defense with not let 35+ points be scored. Mahomes is great, but wait until he has less weapons and we’ll see if he’s one of THE greats.
@@CH-xt4cr didn't know rodgers played run defense lmao
molly looked so hurt when she said “why??” 😭
Rodgers is the Most Valuable Player for his team but Mahomes is the best player in the league.
Well then by that logic shouldn't the majority of votes go to Rodgers then for MVP? Let alone be the front runner right now?
@@ChiTownWarrior1 that’s what he said
Maybe but he’s not doing the best in the league, stats show that Aaron Rogers is being the better QB with less weapons
Mahomes is overrated he has more weapons than anyone in the league
@@CesarRodriguez-hw4yl Both guys are valuable to their team, but if you just say "team" instead of the "league" it kinda undercuts it. I just wanted to know if that's how he was thinking.
The stache puts Rogers over the top
Facts.
Faks on faks on faks on faks 💯
gives him the edge for sure
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Stephen A. face when Molly called him out!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Finally we can go back to saying he’s a BADDDDDDD MANNNNNNNN!
He's been a bad man tf?
He’s always been tho
I know this but everyone hates on him it’s annoying
Alex Cifuentes who hates on him?
"Hold on, let me say something here."
No.
Both Stephen A and Max lost this debate Molly won 😂🤣
3:01 I’m dead asf 😂😂😂
All I know is the Chiefs helped Matt Moore put up elite numbers and Alex Smit has best season ever in 2017. Andy Reid also gave Nick Foles and Donovan McNabb his best seasons.
Only thing mahomes has beat on rodgers in terms of QB play is yards. Aarod has more TDs. Better QBR. Better passer rating. Better completion %. Respect to mahomes but I think rodgers deserves this one
ESPN are obsessed with always representing both sides in an argument instead of letting people speak what they actually believe. SAS believes Rodgers is the MVP, but production forced him to oppose Max's statement, so he made up some really bad arguments
Poor Molly haha, being dragged in so suddenly, she handled that well haha XD
“So you’re just gonna talk with your dribble” 😂
😂😂😂Did anyone else catch Stephen A. say “Shat”?! 02:40
Give it to Rodgers. Itd be Nice to see them Face off in the Superbowl.
Not a debate. It's Mahomes. Easy argument too. Rodgers lost to Kirk Cousins and the 1-5 Minnesota Vikings in Lambeau The Packers have only played 3 winning teams the ENTIRE season and they are 1-2 in those games. And by season's end they will have only played 4 winning teams all season long. They are extremely untested and overrated. Meanwhile Patrick Mahomes is 5 and 1 against winning teams this year.
@@CH-xt4cr the PACKERS lost lmao I didn't know Rodgers had any control of letting dalvin cook run for like 200 yards
LOL!!!!
“Molly, I’m MAD AT YOU!”
“Huh?”
I love this show.
Rodgers is more valuable to his team, but Mahomes is the better player
Mahomes has more weapons.. Rodgers has Adams.
Seems like Rogers in being the better player with worse weapons
@@jonahcannon2820 yes, Mahomes is more skilled but Rodgers is doing more with less
They're equal but for now sake it's slightly Mahomes because Mahomes is younger that's all
@@Phildillrides if he’s doing more with less that makes him more skilled logically, right? Ik mahomes in younger and has a big career ahead of him AND has time to get even better, but rn Rogers seems like the better QB
Derrick Henry is my MVP
Nah. Best rb tho
@@mosehlewi3081 They should at least mention him
Pat turned the chiefs to almost unbeatable. Alex smith had this same squad so that weapons take goes out the window!
They were making the playoffs with Alex smith who is significantly worse
ikr . people act like the chiefs could start nick foles and still be this good. No they wouldnt. Mahomes turns this team from good to unbeatable just off his talent
@@caleboviawe7072 yep unfortunately people have their opinion, but a real chiefs fan know pat mahomes is something else
@@kevelyakoppa9823 with running teams and good defense. Completely different roster
AYO, Molly😭She shut SAS up
Arron Rodger’s Mustache for MVP! 🤣🤣
give a-rod the same team as mahomes and the numbers will be more different
Stephen A saying Let Molly speak. This is insane.
Rodgers: better QBR, Passer rating, more TDS, less INTs, less weapons, worse coach, better PFF grade, what does this man needs to do
Not a debate. It's Mahomes. Easy argument too. Rodgers lost to Kirk Cousins and the 1-5 Minnesota Vikings in Lambeau The Packers have only played 3 winning teams the ENTIRE season and they are 1-2 in those games. And by season's end they will have only played 4 winning teams all season long. They are extremely untested and overrated. Meanwhile Patrick Mahomes is 5 and 1 against winning teams this year.
@@CH-xt4cr did Rodgers lose or did his team lose? Against the vikings did he allow Dalvin to get 4 TDs? No. Against the colts did he cause his team to turn the ball over a bunch of times? I'll give you the Bucs game that was terrible. But wins are a TEAM effort
mahomes is the better player but right now the mvp is Rodgers. better stats and with less weapons when we talk about value its Rodgers right now
The TD argument is so misleading. Rodgers is notorious for 1-yard touchdowns, of which he has 7 this year compared to just 1 from Mahomes. For TDs within the 5-yard line, Rodgers has 17 (44% of his passing TDs) compared to 9 from Mahomes (27% of his passing TDs). Rodgers' median TD pass is 7 yards compared to 10 from Mahomes, and his average is 15.6 compared to Mahomes' 18.7.
So yeah, he has 6 more passing TDs but also 6 more 1-yard TDs. Their QBR is only 0.7 apart so that's a wash. Give me the guy who takes his team down the field more (around 550 more passing yards) and has 2 more wins. Not to mention Rodgers' worst game of the season is by far worse than Mahomes', but recency bias is a thing I suppose.
Russ Wilson could end with 16 int this year
Rodgers has 16 int in the last 4 seasons
That’s crazy
this is why i love watching first take
The only thing I can say is it’s kinda dumb that Mahomes “lost the MVP” because he had one sub par game all year, where he also threw 400 yards against a great defense. One bad game and you’re out? We’ll see what happens next 3 weeks.
Well he's certainly not "out" by any means, but Rodgers has a clear lead after week 14. Rodgers had one bad game in week 6 so no I don't think one bad game is a disqualifier, Mahomes bad games just came at a bad time, there aren't a lot of games left to make up that ground.
@@lewiszwiefelhofer7739 that’s Kind of what I was thinking too, having a bad game earlier on is better for your MVP campaign
Stephen A is so full of himself. Shut up and quit dissing max. Getting old !
Facts, I'm so sick of Screaming A Smith👎👎
you gon cry?
Right now, Rodgers has the lead, but these last three games are gonna be very significant for both players.
More touchdowns less ints less weapons and Rodgers best receiver was out for 3 games
Aaron Rodgers deserves MVP
Molly finally wonnn😂
How this show works:
Max makes his point, most of the time the right one, all of the time logically sound and clearly stated;
SAS sais he's wrong and insults him;
the black guest (because 4 out of 5 guests are black) laughs at SAS insults to Max;
Molly weighs in and tries to mock Max, but nobody cares.
Watchful eyes Here, keep It up Max
A little credit to Molly, she's gotten a lot better and she just checked both them dudes lol 😂
Aaron Rodgers: the British Empire in the 1940s
Patrick Mahomes: America during WWII
As much of a mahomes fan I am, right now I'd give it to Rodgers but we gotta watch out incase derrick henry reaches 2k yards
He’s the closest to Rodgers I’ve seen in a long time he’s really good he’s like a young Rodgers I don’t really care if Rodgers gets it cause of mvp curse
@@chrisormsby5720 true but I'm just waiting on the packers and chiefs game hopefully we see them in the super bowl
Stephen A has no idea what Max is actually saying smh
I don’t like to make jokes about Molly because it’s corny. but that vest she has on reminds me of the Green Ranger’s Dragon Shield lol.
It’s Morphin Time
Good job Molly!
Stephen A Smith is saying Mahomes doesn’t have many weapons? He literally has the legion of zoom, arguably the best TE in the league, and Clyde Edwards and Leveon Bell? Straight capping
If Russel watching this you know inside he’s crying
Rodgers to me has always been better than mahomes. If you put Rodgers on that chiefs team it would be completely unfair.
it’s aaron and it’s honestly not close, take rodgers off that team and the packers aren’t making the playoffs
2020 is a different year man
Aaron rodgers has crazy numbers he doesnt have that many weapons like patrick mahomes
Aaron Rodgers is better than Patrick Mahomes
Arron Rodgers with that mustache looks like he should be playing in Chicago more than Green bay LOL!
Mahomes is like LeBron he probably doesn’t care about the MVP he wants those championships!!
Aaron Rogers in the giannis ‘MVP’ and mahomes is the lebron ‘championship’
thats cap mahomes be putting his fingers up when he played the bears and trubisky and also played the ravens and held his fingers up again because lamar got number 1 on nfl 100
he prob does care about it
@@jrueziix2123 well yea but he’s not gonna cry if he doesn’t get it there’s a bigger prize, the Super Bowl, which Kansas City will and for years to come win at least 5 this decade
Lebron cares about MVP’s fool
Imagine if Rodgers had a hill or kelce
He has Adams
*Adams has entered the chat
Who plays on the better team? Let's review. Davante Adams vs. Tyreek Hill. Big Bob Tonyan vs. Travis Kelce. Coach Andy Reid vs. Matt LeFleur. Who has the advantage based on those 3 sets of teammate/coaches: Rodgers or Mahomes?
This is not complete because mahomes also has hardman, watkins, and robinson. And kelce is like a million times better than tonyan. Lol
Stephen A is completely wrong. You should’nt just stick with your prediction and ignore the numbers. When the numbers change, your opinion can change also.
Screaming a smith full effect! Don't matter how loud he gets he still losing the argument..(BARS)🔥🔥
This was hilarious😂😂
A-Rod is my pick but why not a Co-MVP and basically they're the same type of player but Mahomes is just younger. We need a SB between A-Rod and Mahomes like asap.
A Super Bowl 1 rematch with Rodgers vs Mahomes?!?!? That would be amazing. That would be the most watched super bowl of all time for years to come if it happened.
Also I feel like co-mvp doesn't happen anymore. That would be cool but I see this playing out like 2016 mvp race. Rodgers had an MVP worthy season but Matt Ryan was just a little bit better. Barring any major changes i see that happening this year with Mahomes, MVP worthy year but it's just bad luck for him that Rodgers went off like this.
aaron rodgers looks like a guy from the 1800's with the mustache 😂
They need have Louis Riddick on more often
SAS simping for Molly lol 😆 😂 🤣
The State Farm commercials would be so fun to watch
I don't understand why a player gets penalized for having a great front office
A-Rod took first place for MVP last week
Best Molly segment ever.
Max look like a South Park character hahahaha
Very unprofessional segment. SAS really goes at Max in such an uncomfortable way sometimes. I think there's legit bad blood between them. Probably because Max tries so hard to have an aura of professional certainty and is robotic and unapproachable on a personal level SAS is getting tired of it. Molly doesn't help laughing AT people like she's on any intellectual high ground to laugh at people's sports opinions. Louis who is a very middle of the road analyst just sitting there laughing. Awkward all around.
Personally, it shouldn’t even be as close of a discussion as it is. Rodgers is doing more with less. He may not have as many passing yards at Mahomes, but his QBR, and TD/Int ratio is better. However, not even looking at the age difference, the main thing that I feel people forget about is that the award is called MVP for a reason. Who is the most VALUABLE. If you take Mahomes out of KC, that is still a solid team. If you take out Rodgers, that Green Bay team is not even a breaking .500
Max was right rodgers is mvp right now but there agenda is to promote mahomes regardless with him being the face of football
EXACTLY! Massive bias in favor of Mahomes because the media has been doting over him for two years straight. This race is not as close as people are pretending it is, Rodgers has a VERY CLEAR LEAD after week 14. The MVP is Rodgers' to lose right now
To think, just 2 months ago, we thought the MVP was going to Russell Wilson by a long shot 🤦🏾♂️
Mahomes is worse in every metric except yards
Aaron will get it well deserved mahomes will get that Super Bowl mvp though
Mahomes is better skilled but Rodgers is doing his thing he deserves it this year
I prefer the Fox shows over ESPN, but credit to ESPN to giving credit to the best sports talk show in existence, The Pat McAfee Show!
Aaron was pat b4 pat
Rodgers has this pretty much locked up
I don’t understand why people keep saying “Mahomes is overrated because he has the best weapons”. It doesn’t make sense. When a QB doesn’t have weapons everyone wants to say it’s not their fault that their not good because they have no one to throw to, but when they do have weapons, their success isn’t valid because they play with a good team.
Look at the weapons Mahomes got. It's a Joke. Rodgers for MVP
Rodgers has weapons also come on get real
@@tombrady4449 packers drafted rodgers successor while chiefs gave mahomie a stud rb. With combined best te in the game and t. Hill. Name me who packers signed in free agency to help rodgers. Get real
@@sharkl11 devante Adams
@@tombrady4449 adams was drafted 53rd overall in 2014. Come on man.
@@sharkl11 look at the patriots when Brady was there who did he have nobody stop makeing excuses
*Stephen A shook that Molly called him out lol*
Use me as a “replace Stephen A, Max, and Molly with RC, Dom, and Charly” button