It’s funny his number 1 is my last i did not use Odin at all in my play throughs only in trials mode. I hated building up that gauge without real damage. Shiva was like 3 or 4 for me. That ability is solid
@@real_is_back297I really enjoy using odin tbf, just don't anything but dancing steel, gungnir and heavens cloud are awful abilities, but on staggered enemies, pop lightning rod, dancing steel to instantly lvl5 and the zantetsuken to get the easiest 80k damage of your life
I mean, her abilities aren't half bad either. Mezmerize in particular, especially on larger enemies like bosses where all 3 frontal icicles hit one will bar. It does more stagger damage as a regular ability than almost anything thats not impulse, but it only has a 12 second cooldown. Also, diamond dust is the best stagger ability in the game. Instant 1.5x damage if used as soon as you stagger something. Precision cold snap stuns everything on screen including bosses for 9 seconds. Shiva is great.
Pro tip for you wings of light users in the bahamet tree, use your taunt ability to force the enemies to attack you so you can get those dodges off quicker
Shiva's cold snap can be deadly if used right (execute precision dodge with it) I usually pair it with Odin's Steel Dance which is hard to execute on mobile & unstaggered enemies. Diamond dust = can instantly stagger or eat a heavy chunk of enemies stagger bar. Another nice ability to pair is >> Ramuh's lighting rod × Shiva's mesmerize × Ifrit's Will O Wake >> Ramuh's lighting rod × Shiva's mesmerize × Bahamut's Flarebreath
My favourite combo is on a staggered enemy, diamond dust to get to 1.5x multiplier, lightning rod then dancing steel to get lvl 5 and then zantetsuken, after that, you can either get ready to restagger or get more damage off with gigaflare
Lightning Rod is OP for staggered targets. Drop it next to a target at a start of a stagger and is hugely amplifies damage because every tick is getting 300-400 extra damage. My favorite pure dps attack with relatively short cooldown is gigaflare.
I think i'm in the boat with most people here saying its kinda shocking to see Shiva last, Id honestly swap titan and Shiva in usefulness once you've finished the game and have them all. As at least to me, almost everything titan does one of the other eikons does it better. Once you have level 5 Zentetsuken there's like nearly 0 reason to take AoE skills outside of Diamond Dust for just nuking the bar to stagger them. As you can dancing steel with the accessory and just 1 shot everything on FF mode that doesn't have a stagger bar. I also found myself using the Shiva dodge for enemies at close range as it just opens them up to multiple free hits on a precision dodge, and the heatwave counter was better for projectiles. the 3 I used for FF mode and just steamrolled it (along with abilities) were: Shiva (Diamond Dust, Lightning Rod) Phoenix (Heat Wave, Gigaflare), And Odin (Dancing Steel, Impulse) I considered swapping phoenix for Garuda, but I liked the increased range on the phoenix teleport when mastering it. Ability wise overall (so including all 4 and not mix and matching from each) id probably rank them: 7.Titan: I found kinda lacking all around later in the game, His block isn't the greatest as it just blocks the attack coming and doesn't delay or stop the next one like Shiva dodge, or normal parry. All his abilities are lack luster with other eikons doing what he does just better at endgame. 6. Garuda: has some decent stagger damage, but I didn't find it worth using over some other abilities, the grapple and pull down on stagger was fairly decent 5. Ramuh: only reason he's not last is Lightning rod being insanely strong 4. Phoenix / Ifrit: Phoenix TP is alright, Will o Wykes and Heatwave counter are fairly strong 3. Bahamut: Impulse is good, and Gigaflare is really good. The fact its others are kinda meh at best puts it under Shiva for me 2. Shiva: Diamond Dust is one from my experience and almost everyone ive talked to that you dont take off once you get it. Can take half a bosses stagger bar out even in FF mode in one use. Its insane. Her dodge ability is really good too once you get the timing down, freezing enemies for a few seconds. Other 2 are alright and can be combo'd well in some situations. 1. Odin: Everything is about building Zentetsuken and Zentetsuken is insanely OP. Will leave it at that. Dancing steel & Zentetsuken + gigaflare + lightning rod make for some insane dps combos on staggers when people have ultima weapon ive seen people breaking 400k+ with them. (also you can use diamond dust to instantly hit 1.5 multiplier if you choose) Was a good video though!
Really interesting to see how so many people have different opinions on which abilities are good. Definitely speaks to how well the devs balanced combat and made it more of a preference thing than an objective this ability deals more damage / utility than this one as all of them have their uses and combinations.
honestly diamond dust being able to completely decimate stagger bars makes shiva worth it on that alone, it's bahamut that i find myself not using all that often.
Bahamut abilities are quite fun once you invest the time to understand how to execute them properly (I beat svarog thanks to this one) Wings of light, fill the meter gauge by dodging enemies attack & use Satelite to attack enemies while in this state. Impulse, never sleep on this. It deals heavy dmg & eats a lot of enemies/boss stagger bars, When you execute this, wait until it glows bright yellow & press the impulse skill again before the orbs disappear, this will cause the orbs to explode & deal heavy DMG. Flare breath works on a group of enemies, works like a vacuum that traps enemies in the fire (not work on heavy & bosses though)
Lol, one of the strongest eikon is Bahamut. Impulse is insane for stagger dmg, it can deal nearly as much as diamond dust in terms of stagger if u explode it when it glows in gold. Gigaflare is one of the best ultimate thanks to short cool down (in ultimate) and have one of the highest dmg, while generating the most limit break.
There's some misinformation in this video, and the rankings are honestly not very good. I'd rank them more like this IMO: 1. Odin Zantetsuken is the most OP move in the game, period. 2. Shiva Perfect ice dodge gives insane attack openings. 3. Garuda Mini-stagger opening, snatch, all-round useful. 4. Phoenix Generally useful movement ability, Lunge is good enough to not need it. 5. Titan Personal favorite, but the block/parry is down right worse than dodging in many cases. 6. Bahamut Powerful, but requires a high amount of build up. Needs to be built around. 7. Ramuh Handicaps movement too much, slow to lock on to single targets, low utility. For individual skills my top 6: 1. Lightening Rod High uptime and stagger utility, combos with both your own and enemies multi-hit attacks. 2. Will o' the Wykes Unmatched defensive ability, wombocombos with Lightening Rod. 3. Diamond Dust Can 50% most Will gauges and near instantly get to 1.5 bonus while freezing stagger bar. 4. Dancing Steel Zantetsuken enabler, freezes stagger bar completely. 5. Megaflare Just a mess load of damage, slows stagger bar, easy to use. 6. Rift Slip High skill ceiling, stagger bar freeze shenanigans, best utility skill.
Shiva has the best circle skill in the game. You're vastly underestimating the strength and utility of cold snap. Try it with Odin and set up a zantetsuken for free. Freeze them then diamond dust(most stagger damaging ability) then Garuda pull them(aerial blast+diamond dust destroys stagger bars)
One of my biggest pet peeves with geruda is the fact her circle ability would be SOOOO much better if it allowed you to close in on larger enemies like pull u in towards them rather then pop u up in the air ngl once I got the earth eikon I dropped her for the rest of the game 😭
Cold Snap is amazing. I mainly use it to set up level 5 Zantetsuken. Diamond Dust upgraded not only slows down the stagger bar it immediately brings the stagger multiplier to 1.5x, allowing for a ton of damage. In one stagger I'm able to use Diamond Dust, 2 level 5 Zantetsuken and a Gigaflare. Plus damage from Lightning Rod, Dancing Steel and Will of the Wykes.
Ramuh strongest skill is lightning rod. Pair it with will of the wyke / gigaflare or dancing steel. It will change your entire gameplay. It either deals massive dmg and stagger dmg or allow dancing steel to charge at twice the rate so dancing steel brings u to max lvl 5 zentsetsuken.
Lightning Rod is actually busted. I typically drop it as soon as I get a stagger, pop off a charged lvl 5 zantetsuken, dancing steel, and Zan meter is boosted by the Ligtning Rod so I get lvl 5 again and most small bosses aren't going to survive a singular stagger. Throw in a Judgement Bolt for extra damage if you need it. At lvl 45 I found this out and immediately jumped to 140k stagger damage. Also, raging fist is a block.
To me, satelite works really well while trying to build up megaflare since you can spam the stun hits while charging and you can use the satelites during ultimates and other skills which is nice
@norzza it's really nice for stagger while you're wide open, I always build up my meter for Odin, switch to bahamut and charge megaflare with it and once the stagger procs I use the Odin meter then the giga flare.
I'm with the other commenters, Cold Snap is absolutely nuts. In FF mode there are plenty of scenarios with the more aggressive AI that just freezing the entire group is hella good. For one thing, it sets up Dancing Steel, which is actually a pain in the ass to use otherwise on account of its windup is crazy long. The Garuda ability is far and away better than titan block. Between letting you pull those grab-ass buffing mages, get into the air to dodge abilities, and inflict a significant stagger on the mid will break that either buys you a free dancing steel (again, pain in the ass to use otherwise) or a massive chunk of the remaining stagger bar, it's insane. Not to mention the Garuda abilities are easily better than Titan, since getting the enemy into stagger is almost always better than outright damage, outside of your super damage lightning rod/gigaflare/judgment bolt combos. Deadly embrace + Gouge is basically half a stagger bar on its own. Diamond dust + Deadly Embrace + Gouge is virtually guaranteed a stagger. If you cold snap freeze the enemy you can limit break, do a ton of stagger first, and swap the order, doing a gouge first, to save your diamond dust for the second half of the stagger bar where the second hit of DD hits while the enemy is staggered and jumps the multiplier to 1.3 immediately, which is massive damage. To me, there are 5 mandatory skills. Gigaflare, lightning rod, Dancing steel, Diamond dust, Judgment bolt, and that last slot is probably best used for additional stagger or utility, like Gouge/Wicked Wheel. I like to roll Rebirth there because it does great stagger, especially with a lightning rod down, gives you fat heals sometimes, and shreds the small mobs in aoe. It ain't necessary, cause Zantetsuken and DD also AoE shit down just fine, but it's there for the additional flexibility. I do agree though, Shiva's spells seem pretty bad, outside of DD. I never find myself wanting to use Bahamut for anything but gigaflare though. I hate sitting back charging when I could be actively attacking and the cost of using his other abilities to give you something aggressive while you charge doesn't seem worth it. I'm willing to admit I haven't played around with it enough to know that it isn't better than the above rotations though.
Rift slip doesn’t explain itself. It’s an animation cancel. That can help speed things up if the damage from an ability has already been dealt, but it also gives you 2 seconds of slowed time to think what to do next and chain. I’ll give you an example. Cold snap when timed perfectly causes permafrost, but it takes more than two seconds to get to the enemy with a standard attack while they are still frozen. Not with rift slip. Also, some attacks like flare breath you can end early, but not instantaneously. You can with slip and get that slowed time as a bonus. It also makes parrying easier. You CAN use it for bosses, but it’s better for groups. Gotta use the training dimension to figure the slip out.
I love that they replace summoning with this new powers makes me hope they make another game like this cause I love games that give you different sets of powers
Not even finishing this video. Shivas diamond dust is a top 3 ability. Drop it once a boss is staggered and you get combo multiplier to 1.5x. Also, the ability to freeze bosses with a dodge is absolutey nuts.
Here's something that might change your opinion on Satellite: It works even while you're charging Megaflare. If you mash the magic button while in Wings of Light, the satellites will still fire.
My endgame build was Odin + Shiva + Bahamut feats. I like big numbers in RPGs, so whenever an enemy is about to get staggered I charge Bahamut's feat and when maxed, I just release, stagger the enemy and start with a very specific round of eikonic abilities (Odin's feat has to be already charged which allows me to use it's level 5 twice), which is: First, I use Shiva's ult to instantly charge that juicy 1.5x, it usually works instantly or at least it gets you to 1.4x, so now I'm free to instantly use lighting rod + gigaflare, then Odin's lvl5 feat, followed by Dancing Steel, then Ramuh's ult and in between all of these I throw Rift Slip with a few hits from Odin's blade to charge it again to max level and throw again in the end. Never finished Final Fantasy mode, but it this cycle totally destroyed every enemy I faced in first playthrough endgame and first half of Final Fantasy mode (that's when I stopped playin cause I had more games unfinished) Shiva being last is an absolute crime, her feat os the best one to buy free seconds of damage and dodge tricky attacks, and her ult builds stagger very quickly, and also builds the multiplier instantly. Odin being first was predictable though, his ult finishes all minor encounters and deals big damage to major enemies, saving lots of time. Titan was very useful to me on first playthrough, but once I had enough points to master abilities and choose freely, I realized there were better damage and staggering options, so I stopped using Titan, but Raging fists and Windup are crazy, and they have short cooldowns, they're very powerful but the ones I mentioned are just superior in terms of damage (also raging fists cant be fully used in stagger since you can't trigger counterattacks)
Cold snap also freezes the stagger bar once an enemy is staggered. It's absolutely god-tier on that alone, you can string combos so that the bar only starts refilling in a dancing steel wind-up.
I agree with this list 100%. How I set my Eikon up 1st: Odin w/ dancing steel, heaven’s cloud 2nd: Titan w/ raging fist, wind up 3rd: Phoenix w/ gigaflare, judgment bolt. I’m in NG+ (lvl 69) atm and I use Odin lvl 5 zantetsuken to clear trash mobs because a lot of them are sponges and it absolutely 1 shot 99.9% of all trash mobs. Titan I use as my main Eikon since I love countering enemies and Phoenix is whatever tbh, I use Phoenix dash for flying enemies lol. Whenever I stagger a boss lvl enemy I use the following combo: Judgement Bolt, gigaflare, heaven’s cloud, dancing steel, and finish off with zantetsuken. At my current lvl (69) that combo can deal just shy of 270k and if I still have time I follow up with wind up and add another 10-15k dmg. Sorry for the long read but this game is awesome.
Satellite comes alive with channelers whisper. Regularly launch triple fully charged magic shots and watch enemies literally get launched off the top of screen. Its insane
Cliven is like delsin from infamous second son. Everybody else has his own superpowers/magic distinct to them. What does he have? He can steal other people's powers
From what I got from the video and your explanation, you didn't use raging fist from Titan right, did you? Did you know that Raging Fist is better used as a countermove? if you get hit by an enemy as Clive has the Titan arms up before he spins into the move you will counter the hit and the raging fist move set will change into a flurry of punches. I call them Jojo's punches. That move melt the stager bar and also, if successfully used as a counter move it will reduce the ability cool down by 50%.
Mesmerize is grossly overlooked. It does some pretty decent damage to the will gauge. It also pulls in enemies so for a little while (before Odin) I would pull in a group with mesmerize, use wicked wheel on all them, then finish with aerial upheaval. Not to mention how little cooldown both mesmerize and ice age have
And yeah I agree that shiva’s (excluding diamond dust) abilities are not particularly powerful. Because imo they’re not meant to be with how frequently you can use them
Yup. If impulse wasn't grossly overtuned as far as will damage goes, mesmerize would always be on my bars. Against very large enemies where all 3 icicles can hit one target, mesmerize probably does even more will damage over time than impulse even. Its the most underrated ability in the game bar none.
Mesmerize is good to combo with other AoE abilities and does decent stagger damage with a very low cooldown. Diamond Dust also does the most stagger damage to enemies.
Imo. 8. Garuda I like Rooks Gambit and Deadly Embrace but I don't see myself using the rest of her kit. 7. Ifrit Ignition and WOW were amazing early game but I outgrew it when I mastered Flames of Rebirth and dodging. 6. Phoenix Flames of Rebirth and Heatwave are my favourites. The AOE dmg and Counterattack of Heatwave is satisfying when it hits. 5. Bahamut Gigaflare + Lightning Rod. Impulse is decent and satellite I see can be used while charging megaflare so thats cool 4. Ramuh His Blind Justice is ass yes. But I love the rest of his kit. Pile Drive deals dmg and decent stagger. Thunderstorm feels like it deals more than the ultimate. LR and Judgement Bolt are 2 amazing moves for bosses. 3. Titan. At first I thought he was the best bcoz he dealt extreme dmg on all his moves. But once I got everyone and used different eikons I didn't use his abilities as much as when I got him. Still thought he was cool 2. Odin His whole kit being built around Zantetsuken is cool but they deal nothing even to mobs lmao but Zan is OP and badass and I always had him in my builds bcoz he makes me Vergil 2.0 1. Shiva Why she is last on your list Im curious but imo she's broken. Cold snap freezes enemies and stagger bars when they are staggered and Diamond dust not only deals more than 50% will dmg but can build up your stagger multiplier instantly to 1.50-1.70. Comboed with rift slip any boss that doesn't have phases can be an insta kill if you choose to. Honorable Mention Leviathan upcoming abilities Serpents Cry (eikonic feat) Cross Swell Deluge (Stagger dmg) Abyssal Tear (Charges a Vent Gauge) Tsunami (AoE)
i know im 10 months late to this and opinions are opinions but shiva in last place is wild when you can literally freeze any enemy in the game with cold snap's precision dodge and make them completely helpless for 6 seconds or more on no cooldown + diamond dust has the highest stagger damage in the game iirc or at least close to it.
I run Bahamut, with Ignition and Giga Flare for stagger damage Garuda, with Raging fist for counters and Windup stagger damage and Odin with Gungnir and Heaven's Cloud. Build up bar. At stagger use zentetsuken, gigaflare, windup, ignition, then odin abilities... rinse repeat. Throw in a raging fist, the right time, to feel like Jiren which is an instant plus! Completely destroyed all opponents.
Honestly I'd put Ramuh lower and Phoenix and Garuda higher. Phoenix Shift is pretty much the best way of getting to airborne enemies and easily sets up for an aerial combo or Downthrust, while Garuda's Deadly Embrace synchronises amazingly with Wicked Wheel (which also sets up for downthrust, mind, and at the height it leaves you at is just high enough for the AoE to trigger) and Aerial Blast. Meanwhile, Ramuh's not great so far, Blind Justice doesn't do nearly enough damage to justify the time it takes to lock on abd it does just break up the combo. His other moves are good, Thunderstorm is fun and Pile Drive is a really good aoe, but I can just master them and equip them onto other Eikons, and I can't replace the circle move. Its why I'd also dock Titan a stage or two, I love his other skills but i just haven't found myself using Titanic Block too much. Although it is good when i have used it, and the follow-ups certainly hit hard enough. Can't dock it too many points though, Windup and Upheaval do obscene damage when timed well.
This is really interesting, it feels like my playstyle was differant but similar in ways. I had Odin, Bahamut and Shiva with as many skills which remained on the battlefield as possible (e.g. will of the wisps, aireal blast, that shova icicle thing etc) and just working on stun until i can apply all forms of damage as possible at once
This has to be objectively the worst list. You pretty much dismiss the counter abilities since you can get the timing right. Heatwave, rooks gambit, and raging fists all do crazy will damage and cooldown faster when used as a counter. Lightning rod is pretty busted when combined with the right abilities. Cold snap is crazy strong. After I freeze them I use rime, impulse then lightning rod. After a few magic bursts I detonate impulse then they’re staggered. You’re sleeping on shiva
I'm surprised that you said the counter abilities were hard to time! They seem to have at least as large if not significantly larger windows than executing a precision dodge. Like Garuda's and Titan's will go off if you activate them even remotely near when an attack is incoming.
I think I’m the only person who likes blind justice. It’s my go to starter against large groups of small mobs. It will knockdown everything. Now that’s all it’s good for but the majority of the game is fighting groups of small mobs. I’d usually switch it out if I knew a boss is coming soon. Also Shiva is busted. Easy top 3.
If the lock on didn’t take 10sec to activate id use it. I wish there was a mechanic to manual lock on yourself so it could be used against every enemy like every Eikon class instead of just mobs
Shivas dodge has built in cheese, also lightning rod is actually op of utilized correctly...use will o wisp then stand next to light rod *good for charging bahamut.. drop a rod before gigaflare and double your damage..helps fill zen bar f0r odin, can pair with abilites
I’ve never heard the word “heaps” used to often in a video. I love how he’s like “I didn’t use that heaps but I did use Upheaval a lot”…. Like why didn’t he say he used Upheaval heaps?
So rift shift is good to use to get the parry off which does huge build up or zen meter while other things are on cd and it interrupts a mobs combo. It also has a very low cd. It helps with the dance of stuff and it's great imo
This gotta be a troll right? Rift slip with shiva is so busted and lightening rod with gigaflare is stupid good. The ability cancel animation into another combo freeze and reset into another combo rift slip again I mean enemies don’t stand a chance.
The fact that you put rift slip as a negative shows you don’t know the game very well. It’s an ss tier ability that allows you to get 3 zantetsukens under the stagger window. Also shiva is ssss tier and allows you to do over 1.5 million damage when combined with rift slip to freeze the stagger bar in place.
I believe a system need to be created just like horizon forbidden west where you decide on which tools but instead I can decide on which eikon to use...using 3 eikons at a time I feel is just limited
I feel like I must be crazy but I can’t seem to get much value out of Odin. Maybe it’s because I only have one of his abilities equipped but I just can’t build up the zantetsuken bar at any reasonable pace and I’m too attached to my other abilities to add a second Odin ability.
I never struggled with Rook’s Gambit or any of the counter skills. I thought they were pretty easy to use but I guess it’s different for everyone. As far as the other skills, Im rocking with Odin and its Zan gimmick. I run: - Pheonix: Rising Flame and Pile Drive for close up and Single/AOE damage - Shiva: Lightning Rod and Dancing Steel for freeze set up and then instant Zan -Odin: Heaven’s Cloud and Rift Slip for more Zan build up and combo For some nice Eikon skill pairs: - Wicked Wheel + Upheaval (use your jumps and launch for max height and then Upheaval - Gouge and Impulse (Impulse first, Gouge and then detonate - Wykes and Ignition/Lightning Rod (obvious) - Mesmerize and Wicked Wheel or Scarlet Cyclone or any AOE - Rising Flame and Thunderstorm/Ice Age/Heatwave - Lightning Rod and Gigaflare
Rift Slip shade IS CRAZY. It legit gives you slowmo for more chance to combo and build up Zan or do more damage with no worries. It’s really good, bro 😭🤣
@@magilas8485 Honestly, one of my favorite trash mob moves late game isn't an AOE technically. It's Dancing Steel. I can pull this off because of Rift Slip's slo-mo. Legit one of the best utility skills in the game.
titan being so high is wild to me. I found no real use in the block mechanics (especially if you are using the ring of timely focus) and with other attacks like ramuh and garuda for massive damage there's no real need for the titan attacks
Most ppl don't use the game journalist items, also rook's gambit is weaker than raging fists while titanic block doesn't have a cool down, windup does crazy dmg if timed correctly (which should become easy once you get used to the timing) and also pairs well with lightning rod since it's a multi hit attack while also not having too bad of a cool down time
I’ve tested some atacks and aparently thunderstorm does 8:45 more damage than judgement bolt I was testing all the attacks in the hall of virtue and either the numbers are wrong or yea windup does more then earthen fury and cooldown is lower so now I’m confused
The second you mentioned Shiva being the worst... when "diamond dust" ultimate is by far one of the best skills to have for cracking stagger bar.I knew this video was going to be bad. Then you ranked Phoenix as 2nd worst and you lost me lol. Its fine to be subjective in these lists but I feel like you are actually bordline misleading people who are less experienced with different Eikon powers in game and are watching this video to figure out which powers to upgrade and master. Garuda is the worst out of the 7 Eikons ... Also Ifirit's Limit break is really good and not "never bothered to upgrade" .... this list is just bad and people should watch other videos lol
Love garuda because you can stun someone 1 time per stagger bar. Shive is dead last ecen tho you can stun someone for 10 seconds every time they attack
I watched this video before I got shiva. I had to come back and find this video just to tell you you should be ashamed of yourself. I know this is your opinion. And opinions are never wrong but my boy you got this one wrong. No way should shiva be last. I don’t have Odin yet so my top 3 are Bahamut SHIVA and Ramuh. Her ⭕️ command alone is enough to put her as top 3 outta the 8!!!
You shouldve combined ifrit and phoenix, also garuda is the worst imo it gets powercrept by everything else when you get later on in the game rooks gambit is powercrept by titan's main ability and raging fists, deadly embrace just felt like a worse phoenix shift, gouge and wicked wheel have meh dmg so if you want stagger just use diamond dust, aerial blast also gets outmatched by diamond dust and zantetsuken has better crowd control while doing massive dmg
Drop lightning rod near a target and then unleash Gigaflare on them for the most OP setup in the game. I also use the cold snap ability to freeze them into place before hand.
Wings of light is ass. Hate it lol. But I do love Gigaflare! It makes clive feel intensely powerful. My most used eikons are probably Phoenix and Garuda. Speed and stagger haha.
What's your favourite Eikon?
I'm going for Bahamut and Odin. Both of these eikons have great abilities. Bahamut has great versatility and Odin is all aggressive.
Bahamut, odin y titan son las más usadas para mi para combos espectaculares y mucho daño
Closed the video right after seeing Shiva in last. Like that's crazy.
Shiva and Phoenix
I personally getting some joy out of shiva and her slide and freeze and diamond dust , and thunderbolt .. stagger bar destroyers
Shiva being last is nuts. Selecting The Shiva Freeze dodge with Ramuhs Pile Driver and Thunderstorm was so usefull in final fantasy mode
lol - I saw Shiva last, which is my second... so I closed the video
It’s funny his number 1 is my last i did not use Odin at all in my play throughs only in trials mode. I hated building up that gauge without real damage. Shiva was like 3 or 4 for me. That ability is solid
@@real_is_back297I really enjoy using odin tbf, just don't anything but dancing steel, gungnir and heavens cloud are awful abilities, but on staggered enemies, pop lightning rod, dancing steel to instantly lvl5 and the zantetsuken to get the easiest 80k damage of your life
I mean, her abilities aren't half bad either. Mezmerize in particular, especially on larger enemies like bosses where all 3 frontal icicles hit one will bar. It does more stagger damage as a regular ability than almost anything thats not impulse, but it only has a 12 second cooldown. Also, diamond dust is the best stagger ability in the game. Instant 1.5x damage if used as soon as you stagger something. Precision cold snap stuns everything on screen including bosses for 9 seconds. Shiva is great.
@@someguy233 agreed she’s a monster
Pro tip for you wings of light users in the bahamet tree, use your taunt ability to force the enemies to attack you so you can get those dodges off quicker
I had completely forgotten about taunt
@@cantdestroyher7245u wanna use taunt too if youre parrying with Odin.
Taunt is the only thing in the ability tree I haven’t unlocked 💀
The satellite ability can be used during wings of light.
Shiva's cold snap can be deadly if used right (execute precision dodge with it) I usually pair it with Odin's Steel Dance which is hard to execute on mobile & unstaggered enemies.
Diamond dust = can instantly stagger or eat a heavy chunk of enemies stagger bar.
Another nice ability to pair is
>> Ramuh's lighting rod × Shiva's mesmerize × Ifrit's Will O Wake
>> Ramuh's lighting rod × Shiva's mesmerize × Bahamut's Flarebreath
My favourite combo is on a staggered enemy, diamond dust to get to 1.5x multiplier, lightning rod then dancing steel to get lvl 5 and then zantetsuken, after that, you can either get ready to restagger or get more damage off with gigaflare
Lightning Rod is OP for staggered targets. Drop it next to a target at a start of a stagger and is hugely amplifies damage because every tick is getting 300-400 extra damage.
My favorite pure dps attack with relatively short cooldown is gigaflare.
Drop lighting rod and then hot mega flare is OP
This guy needs to play the game again Sony no way this man thinks shiva is the worst one 💀
Cold snap is one of the best eikonic feats. Freezing a group of enemies for 5 seconds just for precision dodging is insane.
Yeah idk what this guy is on about
a casual gamer 😂. shiva is a beast
I think i'm in the boat with most people here saying its kinda shocking to see Shiva last, Id honestly swap titan and Shiva in usefulness once you've finished the game and have them all. As at least to me, almost everything titan does one of the other eikons does it better. Once you have level 5 Zentetsuken there's like nearly 0 reason to take AoE skills outside of Diamond Dust for just nuking the bar to stagger them. As you can dancing steel with the accessory and just 1 shot everything on FF mode that doesn't have a stagger bar. I also found myself using the Shiva dodge for enemies at close range as it just opens them up to multiple free hits on a precision dodge, and the heatwave counter was better for projectiles.
the 3 I used for FF mode and just steamrolled it (along with abilities) were: Shiva (Diamond Dust, Lightning Rod) Phoenix (Heat Wave, Gigaflare), And Odin (Dancing Steel, Impulse)
I considered swapping phoenix for Garuda, but I liked the increased range on the phoenix teleport when mastering it.
Ability wise overall (so including all 4 and not mix and matching from each) id probably rank them:
7.Titan: I found kinda lacking all around later in the game, His block isn't the greatest as it just blocks the attack coming and doesn't delay or stop the next one like Shiva dodge, or normal parry. All his abilities are lack luster with other eikons doing what he does just better at endgame.
6. Garuda: has some decent stagger damage, but I didn't find it worth using over some other abilities, the grapple and pull down on stagger was fairly decent
5. Ramuh: only reason he's not last is Lightning rod being insanely strong
4. Phoenix / Ifrit: Phoenix TP is alright, Will o Wykes and Heatwave counter are fairly strong
3. Bahamut: Impulse is good, and Gigaflare is really good. The fact its others are kinda meh at best puts it under Shiva for me
2. Shiva: Diamond Dust is one from my experience and almost everyone ive talked to that you dont take off once you get it. Can take half a bosses stagger bar out even in FF mode in one use. Its insane. Her dodge ability is really good too once you get the timing down, freezing enemies for a few seconds. Other 2 are alright and can be combo'd well in some situations.
1. Odin: Everything is about building Zentetsuken and Zentetsuken is insanely OP. Will leave it at that.
Dancing steel & Zentetsuken + gigaflare + lightning rod make for some insane dps combos on staggers when people have ultima weapon ive seen people breaking 400k+ with them. (also you can use diamond dust to instantly hit 1.5 multiplier if you choose)
Was a good video though!
Really interesting to see how so many people have different opinions on which abilities are good. Definitely speaks to how well the devs balanced combat and made it more of a preference thing than an objective this ability deals more damage / utility than this one as all of them have their uses and combinations.
honestly diamond dust being able to completely decimate stagger bars makes shiva worth it on that alone, it's bahamut that i find myself not using all that often.
Bahamut abilities are quite fun once you invest the time to understand how to execute them properly
(I beat svarog thanks to this one)
Wings of light, fill the meter gauge by dodging enemies attack & use Satelite to attack enemies while in this state.
Impulse, never sleep on this.
It deals heavy dmg & eats a lot of enemies/boss stagger bars,
When you execute this, wait until it glows bright yellow & press the impulse skill again before the orbs disappear, this will cause the orbs to explode & deal heavy DMG.
Flare breath works on a group of enemies, works like a vacuum that traps enemies in the fire (not work on heavy & bosses though)
Lol, one of the strongest eikon is Bahamut. Impulse is insane for stagger dmg, it can deal nearly as much as diamond dust in terms of stagger if u explode it when it glows in gold.
Gigaflare is one of the best ultimate thanks to short cool down (in ultimate) and have one of the highest dmg, while generating the most limit break.
@@WizzyTheDizzy idk just doesn't fit my playstyle i guess.
@@pforgottonsoul probably. Lots of different opinions around the internet, your fav eikons are?
@@WizzyTheDizzy sticking with Odin mostly because it feels the most fun, also satisfying to pull off those blocks with titan
There's some misinformation in this video, and the rankings are honestly not very good.
I'd rank them more like this IMO:
1. Odin
Zantetsuken is the most OP move in the game, period.
2. Shiva
Perfect ice dodge gives insane attack openings.
3. Garuda
Mini-stagger opening, snatch, all-round useful.
4. Phoenix
Generally useful movement ability, Lunge is good enough to not need it.
5. Titan
Personal favorite, but the block/parry is down right worse than dodging in many cases.
6. Bahamut
Powerful, but requires a high amount of build up. Needs to be built around.
7. Ramuh
Handicaps movement too much, slow to lock on to single targets, low utility.
For individual skills my top 6:
1. Lightening Rod
High uptime and stagger utility, combos with both your own and enemies multi-hit attacks.
2. Will o' the Wykes
Unmatched defensive ability, wombocombos with Lightening Rod.
3. Diamond Dust
Can 50% most Will gauges and near instantly get to 1.5 bonus while freezing stagger bar.
4. Dancing Steel
Zantetsuken enabler, freezes stagger bar completely.
5. Megaflare
Just a mess load of damage, slows stagger bar, easy to use.
6. Rift Slip
High skill ceiling, stagger bar freeze shenanigans, best utility skill.
Shiva has the best circle skill in the game. You're vastly underestimating the strength and utility of cold snap. Try it with Odin and set up a zantetsuken for free. Freeze them then diamond dust(most stagger damaging ability) then Garuda pull them(aerial blast+diamond dust destroys stagger bars)
One of my biggest pet peeves with geruda is the fact her circle ability would be SOOOO much better if it allowed you to close in on larger enemies like pull u in towards them rather then pop u up in the air ngl once I got the earth eikon I dropped her for the rest of the game 😭
You can used Garuda to bring enemies to their knees when they’re staggered halfway
Cold Snap is amazing. I mainly use it to set up level 5 Zantetsuken. Diamond Dust upgraded not only slows down the stagger bar it immediately brings the stagger multiplier to 1.5x, allowing for a ton of damage.
In one stagger I'm able to use Diamond Dust, 2 level 5 Zantetsuken and a Gigaflare. Plus damage from Lightning Rod, Dancing Steel and Will of the Wykes.
Ramuh strongest skill is lightning rod. Pair it with will of the wyke / gigaflare or dancing steel. It will change your entire gameplay. It either deals massive dmg and stagger dmg or allow dancing steel to charge at twice the rate so dancing steel brings u to max lvl 5 zentsetsuken.
When i heard shiva last, i went tf?!??
You’re using Lightning Rod wrong… If you drop lightning rod next to a staggered enemy and then use gigaflare you like double the damage. It’s amazing.
Lightning Rod is actually busted. I typically drop it as soon as I get a stagger, pop off a charged lvl 5 zantetsuken, dancing steel, and Zan meter is boosted by the Ligtning Rod so I get lvl 5 again and most small bosses aren't going to survive a singular stagger. Throw in a Judgement Bolt for extra damage if you need it. At lvl 45 I found this out and immediately jumped to 140k stagger damage.
Also, raging fist is a block.
To me, satelite works really well while trying to build up megaflare since you can spam the stun hits while charging and you can use the satelites during ultimates and other skills which is nice
Oh nice, I never thought about combining megaflare and satelite.
@norzza it's really nice for stagger while you're wide open, I always build up my meter for Odin, switch to bahamut and charge megaflare with it and once the stagger procs I use the Odin meter then the giga flare.
Shiva should be higher because of stagger damage of diamond dust alone
Fair, I do like Diamond Dust. I just personally felt for value from the other Eikons as Shiva's others powers are very average.
Giga flair works extraordinarily well with lightning rod because lightning rod hits with every tick of giga
I'm with the other commenters, Cold Snap is absolutely nuts. In FF mode there are plenty of scenarios with the more aggressive AI that just freezing the entire group is hella good. For one thing, it sets up Dancing Steel, which is actually a pain in the ass to use otherwise on account of its windup is crazy long. The Garuda ability is far and away better than titan block. Between letting you pull those grab-ass buffing mages, get into the air to dodge abilities, and inflict a significant stagger on the mid will break that either buys you a free dancing steel (again, pain in the ass to use otherwise) or a massive chunk of the remaining stagger bar, it's insane. Not to mention the Garuda abilities are easily better than Titan, since getting the enemy into stagger is almost always better than outright damage, outside of your super damage lightning rod/gigaflare/judgment bolt combos. Deadly embrace + Gouge is basically half a stagger bar on its own. Diamond dust + Deadly Embrace + Gouge is virtually guaranteed a stagger. If you cold snap freeze the enemy you can limit break, do a ton of stagger first, and swap the order, doing a gouge first, to save your diamond dust for the second half of the stagger bar where the second hit of DD hits while the enemy is staggered and jumps the multiplier to 1.3 immediately, which is massive damage.
To me, there are 5 mandatory skills. Gigaflare, lightning rod, Dancing steel, Diamond dust, Judgment bolt, and that last slot is probably best used for additional stagger or utility, like Gouge/Wicked Wheel. I like to roll Rebirth there because it does great stagger, especially with a lightning rod down, gives you fat heals sometimes, and shreds the small mobs in aoe. It ain't necessary, cause Zantetsuken and DD also AoE shit down just fine, but it's there for the additional flexibility.
I do agree though, Shiva's spells seem pretty bad, outside of DD. I never find myself wanting to use Bahamut for anything but gigaflare though. I hate sitting back charging when I could be actively attacking and the cost of using his other abilities to give you something aggressive while you charge doesn't seem worth it. I'm willing to admit I haven't played around with it enough to know that it isn't better than the above rotations though.
imo id rank first to last Shiva, Garuda, Titan, Phoenix, Ramuh, Odin, Ifrit, Bahamut. But I definitely ran Phoenix the whole game
Rift slip doesn’t explain itself. It’s an animation cancel. That can help speed things up if the damage from an ability has already been dealt, but it also gives you 2 seconds of slowed time to think what to do next and chain. I’ll give you an example. Cold snap when timed perfectly causes permafrost, but it takes more than two seconds to get to the enemy with a standard attack while they are still frozen. Not with rift slip. Also, some attacks like flare breath you can end early, but not instantaneously. You can with slip and get that slowed time as a bonus. It also makes parrying easier.
You CAN use it for bosses, but it’s better for groups. Gotta use the training dimension to figure the slip out.
Lightning rod paired with gigaflare and will of the wykes is a top tier combo. It’s a top ability to me. It’s a good damage amp
Great combo!
Same. I paired lightning rod with all sorts of stuff after I got it. It amps damage from everything with fast ticks of damage.
Oh and one more thing the fact that you didn’t mention that diamond dust takes out basically half of the enemies stagger bar is wild.
I love that they replace summoning with this new powers makes me hope they make another game like this cause I love games that give you different sets of powers
Shiva is one of the best ones….the amount of stagger from diamond dust is incredible.
Not even finishing this video. Shivas diamond dust is a top 3 ability. Drop it once a boss is staggered and you get combo multiplier to 1.5x. Also, the ability to freeze bosses with a dodge is absolutey nuts.
Stagger multiplier is not multi hits. Try it with diamond dust and it instantly rise to 1.5x. it is depending on the stagger dmg.
Here's something that might change your opinion on Satellite: It works even while you're charging Megaflare. If you mash the magic button while in Wings of Light, the satellites will still fire.
My endgame build was Odin + Shiva + Bahamut feats. I like big numbers in RPGs, so whenever an enemy is about to get staggered I charge Bahamut's feat and when maxed, I just release, stagger the enemy and start with a very specific round of eikonic abilities (Odin's feat has to be already charged which allows me to use it's level 5 twice), which is:
First, I use Shiva's ult to instantly charge that juicy 1.5x, it usually works instantly or at least it gets you to 1.4x, so now I'm free to instantly use lighting rod + gigaflare, then Odin's lvl5 feat, followed by Dancing Steel, then Ramuh's ult and in between all of these I throw Rift Slip with a few hits from Odin's blade to charge it again to max level and throw again in the end. Never finished Final Fantasy mode, but it this cycle totally destroyed every enemy I faced in first playthrough endgame and first half of Final Fantasy mode (that's when I stopped playin cause I had more games unfinished)
Shiva being last is an absolute crime, her feat os the best one to buy free seconds of damage and dodge tricky attacks, and her ult builds stagger very quickly, and also builds the multiplier instantly. Odin being first was predictable though, his ult finishes all minor encounters and deals big damage to major enemies, saving lots of time. Titan was very useful to me on first playthrough, but once I had enough points to master abilities and choose freely, I realized there were better damage and staggering options, so I stopped using Titan, but Raging fists and Windup are crazy, and they have short cooldowns, they're very powerful but the ones I mentioned are just superior in terms of damage (also raging fists cant be fully used in stagger since you can't trigger counterattacks)
You can readjust rime and lightning rod by using the ability again. Makes it much easier when enemies keep moving around.
Cold snap also freezes the stagger bar once an enemy is staggered. It's absolutely god-tier on that alone, you can string combos so that the bar only starts refilling in a dancing steel wind-up.
I agree with this list 100%. How I set my Eikon up 1st: Odin w/ dancing steel, heaven’s cloud 2nd: Titan w/ raging fist, wind up 3rd: Phoenix w/ gigaflare, judgment bolt. I’m in NG+ (lvl 69) atm and I use Odin lvl 5 zantetsuken to clear trash mobs because a lot of them are sponges and it absolutely 1 shot 99.9% of all trash mobs. Titan I use as my main Eikon since I love countering enemies and Phoenix is whatever tbh, I use Phoenix dash for flying enemies lol. Whenever I stagger a boss lvl enemy I use the following combo: Judgement Bolt, gigaflare, heaven’s cloud, dancing steel, and finish off with zantetsuken. At my current lvl (69) that combo can deal just shy of 270k and if I still have time I follow up with wind up and add another 10-15k dmg. Sorry for the long read but this game is awesome.
Satellite comes alive with channelers whisper. Regularly launch triple fully charged magic shots and watch enemies literally get launched off the top of screen. Its insane
Cliven is like delsin from infamous second son. Everybody else has his own superpowers/magic distinct to them. What does he have? He can steal other people's powers
From what I got from the video and your explanation, you didn't use raging fist from Titan right, did you? Did you know that Raging Fist is better used as a countermove? if you get hit by an enemy as Clive has the Titan arms up before he spins into the move you will counter the hit and the raging fist move set will change into a flurry of punches. I call them Jojo's punches. That move melt the stager bar and also, if successfully used as a counter move it will reduce the ability cool down by 50%.
Mesmerize is grossly overlooked. It does some pretty decent damage to the will gauge. It also pulls in enemies so for a little while (before Odin) I would pull in a group with mesmerize, use wicked wheel on all them, then finish with aerial upheaval. Not to mention how little cooldown both mesmerize and ice age have
And yeah I agree that shiva’s (excluding diamond dust) abilities are not particularly powerful. Because imo they’re not meant to be with how frequently you can use them
Yup. If impulse wasn't grossly overtuned as far as will damage goes, mesmerize would always be on my bars. Against very large enemies where all 3 icicles can hit one target, mesmerize probably does even more will damage over time than impulse even. Its the most underrated ability in the game bar none.
I didn't know how op oden's is until i did a level 5 zantetsuken in odens trial.
Also with Bahamut, if you use Satellite and then wings of light you can still do damage while charging megaflare
I think Shiva deserves the 2nd, Her Diamond Dust alone is great, Cooldown is fastest 2nd compared to Odin's Dancing Steel.
Mesmerize is good to combo with other AoE abilities and does decent stagger damage with a very low cooldown. Diamond Dust also does the most stagger damage to enemies.
Imo.
8. Garuda
I like Rooks Gambit and Deadly Embrace but I don't see myself using the rest of her kit.
7. Ifrit
Ignition and WOW were amazing early game but I outgrew it when I mastered Flames of Rebirth and dodging.
6. Phoenix
Flames of Rebirth and Heatwave are my favourites. The AOE dmg and Counterattack of Heatwave is satisfying when it hits.
5. Bahamut
Gigaflare + Lightning Rod. Impulse is decent and satellite I see can be used while charging megaflare so thats cool
4. Ramuh
His Blind Justice is ass yes. But I love the rest of his kit. Pile Drive deals dmg and decent stagger. Thunderstorm feels like it deals more than the ultimate. LR and Judgement Bolt are 2 amazing moves for bosses.
3. Titan.
At first I thought he was the best bcoz he dealt extreme dmg on all his moves. But once I got everyone and used different eikons I didn't use his abilities as much as when I got him. Still thought he was cool
2. Odin
His whole kit being built around Zantetsuken is cool but they deal nothing even to mobs lmao but Zan is OP and badass and I always had him in my builds bcoz he makes me Vergil 2.0
1. Shiva
Why she is last on your list Im curious but imo she's broken. Cold snap freezes enemies and stagger bars when they are staggered and Diamond dust not only deals more than 50% will dmg but can build up your stagger multiplier instantly to 1.50-1.70. Comboed with rift slip any boss that doesn't have phases can be an insta kill if you choose to.
Honorable Mention
Leviathan upcoming abilities
Serpents Cry (eikonic feat)
Cross Swell
Deluge (Stagger dmg)
Abyssal Tear (Charges a Vent Gauge)
Tsunami (AoE)
Personally I would put Geruda before phoenix in your list but that’s just my opinion. ✌️ Loved the video tho and subscribed 👌
i know im 10 months late to this and opinions are opinions but shiva in last place is wild when you can literally freeze any enemy in the game with cold snap's precision dodge and make them completely helpless for 6 seconds or more on no cooldown + diamond dust has the highest stagger damage in the game iirc or at least close to it.
I honestly used Titan, Bahamut, and Ramha. Ramha for a quick pile drive and Bahamut impluse. Pairs greatly with Titans counter perry block ability.
I run Bahamut, with Ignition and Giga Flare for stagger damage
Garuda, with Raging fist for counters and Windup stagger damage and
Odin with Gungnir and Heaven's Cloud.
Build up bar. At stagger use zentetsuken, gigaflare, windup, ignition, then odin abilities... rinse repeat. Throw in a raging fist, the right time, to feel like Jiren which is an instant plus!
Completely destroyed all opponents.
Honestly I'd put Ramuh lower and Phoenix and Garuda higher. Phoenix Shift is pretty much the best way of getting to airborne enemies and easily sets up for an aerial combo or Downthrust, while Garuda's Deadly Embrace synchronises amazingly with Wicked Wheel (which also sets up for downthrust, mind, and at the height it leaves you at is just high enough for the AoE to trigger) and Aerial Blast. Meanwhile, Ramuh's not great so far, Blind Justice doesn't do nearly enough damage to justify the time it takes to lock on abd it does just break up the combo. His other moves are good, Thunderstorm is fun and Pile Drive is a really good aoe, but I can just master them and equip them onto other Eikons, and I can't replace the circle move. Its why I'd also dock Titan a stage or two, I love his other skills but i just haven't found myself using Titanic Block too much. Although it is good when i have used it, and the follow-ups certainly hit hard enough. Can't dock it too many points though, Windup and Upheaval do obscene damage when timed well.
Stagger numbers go to 1.5 faster from higher will damage skills. It is a mini misconception that number of hits increases it faster.
This is really interesting, it feels like my playstyle was differant but similar in ways. I had Odin, Bahamut and Shiva with as many skills which remained on the battlefield as possible (e.g. will of the wisps, aireal blast, that shova icicle thing etc) and just working on stun until i can apply all forms of damage as possible at once
This has to be objectively the worst list. You pretty much dismiss the counter abilities since you can get the timing right. Heatwave, rooks gambit, and raging fists all do crazy will damage and cooldown faster when used as a counter. Lightning rod is pretty busted when combined with the right abilities. Cold snap is crazy strong. After I freeze them I use rime, impulse then lightning rod. After a few magic bursts I detonate impulse then they’re staggered. You’re sleeping on shiva
I'm surprised that you said the counter abilities were hard to time! They seem to have at least as large if not significantly larger windows than executing a precision dodge.
Like Garuda's and Titan's will go off if you activate them even remotely near when an attack is incoming.
Shiva's dodge for freeze and then using Odin's dancing steel to get Max Zan op imo
I think I’m the only person who likes blind justice. It’s my go to starter against large groups of small mobs. It will knockdown everything. Now that’s all it’s good for but the majority of the game is fighting groups of small mobs. I’d usually switch it out if I knew a boss is coming soon. Also Shiva is busted. Easy top 3.
If the lock on didn’t take 10sec to activate id use it. I wish there was a mechanic to manual lock on yourself so it could be used against every enemy like every Eikon class instead of just mobs
Thunderstorm over lightening rod is crazy
My tier list
1.phoenix
2.shiva
3.titan
4.oden
5.bahemut
6.ramuh
7.ifrit
8.geruda
Based off ability’s
Shivas dodge has built in cheese, also lightning rod is actually op of utilized correctly...use will o wisp then stand next to light rod *good for charging bahamut.. drop a rod before gigaflare and double your damage..helps fill zen bar f0r odin, can pair with abilites
I’ve never heard the word “heaps” used to often in a video. I love how he’s like “I didn’t use that heaps but I did use Upheaval a lot”…. Like why didn’t he say he used Upheaval heaps?
You were clearly using Shiva wrong because you didn't even mention permafrost. It's so good
So rift shift is good to use to get the parry off which does huge build up or zen meter while other things are on cd and it interrupts a mobs combo. It also has a very low cd. It helps with the dance of stuff and it's great imo
This gotta be a troll right? Rift slip with shiva is so busted and lightening rod with gigaflare is stupid good. The ability cancel animation into another combo freeze and reset into another combo rift slip again I mean enemies don’t stand a chance.
My dude, permafrost is OP as hell, and diamomd dust instantly gets stagger multiplier to 1.5.
I cant tell you how many times I used deadly embrace to dodge boss attacks in the early game.
For me I live using Will o' wykes with Dancing Steel, makes dealing withvtrash so easy.
Shiva is at least top 3 best eikons
1.Odin
2.Titan
3.Shiva
4.Bahamut
5.Feniks
6.Ramuh
7.Garuda
I like the raging fist skills. I used the ring of timely focus to go muda muda muda easily
The fact that you put rift slip as a negative shows you don’t know the game very well. It’s an ss tier ability that allows you to get 3 zantetsukens under the stagger window. Also shiva is ssss tier and allows you to do over 1.5 million damage when combined with rift slip to freeze the stagger bar in place.
Shiva last is nuts what?!
Soooo no one noticed he didn't mention Leviathan ?
My tier list
Ifrit
Shiva
Odin
Garuda
Phoenix
Ramuh
Bahamut
Titan.
Shiva being last is invalid af she's probably has one of the best powers for stagger damage in diamond dust
I believe a system need to be created just like horizon forbidden west where you decide on which tools but instead I can decide on which eikon to use...using 3 eikons at a time I feel is just limited
rift slip is negative? bro if you pair it with cold snap you literally break the entire game
Shiva being the worse is craaaaaaaaaaazy. Cold snap and Diamond dust alone are busted
I feel like I must be crazy but I can’t seem to get much value out of Odin. Maybe it’s because I only have one of his abilities equipped but I just can’t build up the zantetsuken bar at any reasonable pace and I’m too attached to my other abilities to add a second Odin ability.
Garuda being above phoenix and ifrit is crazy to me ngl 😂 I feel like Garuda should be on the bottom instead of shiva tbh
It seems like you didn’t mix and match abilities from different eikons.
There’s no such thing as broken on a single player game. Added it’s on players preference on how they play. Especially on a single player game.
I never struggled with Rook’s Gambit or any of the counter skills. I thought they were pretty easy to use but I guess it’s different for everyone.
As far as the other skills, Im rocking with Odin and its Zan gimmick. I run:
- Pheonix: Rising Flame and Pile Drive for close up and Single/AOE damage
- Shiva: Lightning Rod and Dancing Steel for freeze set up and then instant Zan
-Odin: Heaven’s Cloud and Rift Slip for more Zan build up and combo
For some nice Eikon skill pairs:
- Wicked Wheel + Upheaval (use your jumps and launch for max height and then Upheaval
- Gouge and Impulse (Impulse first, Gouge and then detonate
- Wykes and Ignition/Lightning Rod (obvious)
- Mesmerize and Wicked Wheel or Scarlet Cyclone or any AOE
- Rising Flame and Thunderstorm/Ice Age/Heatwave
- Lightning Rod and Gigaflare
Rift Slip shade IS CRAZY. It legit gives you slowmo for more chance to combo and build up Zan or do more damage with no worries. It’s really good, bro 😭🤣
@@magilas8485 Honestly, one of my favorite trash mob moves late game isn't an AOE technically. It's Dancing Steel. I can pull this off because of Rift Slip's slo-mo. Legit one of the best utility skills in the game.
Am I the only one bothered that he he didn’t upgrade limit break?
titan being so high is wild to me. I found no real use in the block mechanics (especially if you are using the ring of timely focus) and with other attacks like ramuh and garuda for massive damage there's no real need for the titan attacks
Most ppl don't use the game journalist items, also rook's gambit is weaker than raging fists while titanic block doesn't have a cool down, windup does crazy dmg if timed correctly (which should become easy once you get used to the timing) and also pairs well with lightning rod since it's a multi hit attack while also not having too bad of a cool down time
Shiva diamond dust does the most stagger in the game…
Satellite and will of the Wilkes combo does insane stagger and the recharge is so quick!!
I’ve tested some atacks and aparently thunderstorm does 8:45 more damage than judgement bolt I was testing all the attacks in the hall of virtue and either the numbers are wrong or yea windup does more then earthen fury and cooldown is lower so now I’m confused
Garuda is much more useful for mw because it deals with stagger damage
The second you mentioned Shiva being the worst... when "diamond dust" ultimate is by far one of the best skills to have for cracking stagger bar.I knew this video was going to be bad.
Then you ranked Phoenix as 2nd worst and you lost me lol. Its fine to be subjective in these lists but I feel like you are actually bordline misleading people who are less experienced with different Eikon powers in game and are watching this video to figure out which powers to upgrade and master.
Garuda is the worst out of the 7 Eikons ... Also Ifirit's Limit break is really good and not "never bothered to upgrade" .... this list is just bad and people should watch other videos lol
Love garuda because you can stun someone 1 time per stagger bar. Shive is dead last ecen tho you can stun someone for 10 seconds every time they attack
Did you never like combine abilities onto other eikons?
10:16 what is that song?
I watched this video before I got shiva. I had to come back and find this video just to tell you you should be ashamed of yourself. I know this is your opinion. And opinions are never wrong but my boy you got this one wrong. No way should shiva be last. I don’t have Odin yet so my top 3 are Bahamut SHIVA and Ramuh. Her ⭕️ command alone is enough to put her as top 3 outta the 8!!!
How is clive able to absorb other eikon powers?
You shouldve combined ifrit and phoenix, also garuda is the worst imo it gets powercrept by everything else when you get later on in the game rooks gambit is powercrept by titan's main ability and raging fists, deadly embrace just felt like a worse phoenix shift, gouge and wicked wheel have meh dmg so if you want stagger just use diamond dust, aerial blast also gets outmatched by diamond dust and zantetsuken has better crowd control while doing massive dmg
u can get any counter off by using the easy mode cheat ring
For someone who loves Gigaflare, you are SLEEPING HARD on lightning rod.
Drop lightning rod near a target and then unleash Gigaflare on them for the most OP setup in the game. I also use the cold snap ability to freeze them into place before hand.
Arm of darkness is best feat on level 5
Wings of light is ass. Hate it lol. But I do love Gigaflare! It makes clive feel intensely powerful. My most used eikons are probably Phoenix and Garuda. Speed and stagger haha.
Try firing gigaflare through lightning rod hehehehe. I love ramuh Garuda and bahamut
The dude started with Cold Snap isn’t good.
Nice