Im starting playing from 1.3 (Shorekeeper), I think it was a week before shorekeeper banner runs out. Basically I only have Camellya and Xiang Li Yao (yes I pull because hes a cool guy) as a F2P, also Im playing casually because I have work to do. If his argument just use another DPS defending this kind of practice then this gonna demotivate me even more to play.
To begin with you should look at characters, not at enemies. To make it easy and fast 1.x chars HSR: Seele, JY, Blade, Kafka, DHIL, Jingliu solo target 320, 291, 223, 311, 357. 327 2.x chars HSR: BS, Acheron, Boothill... I stoped on Boothill because solo target: 339, 701, 1200... 701! 1200! TWICE or even triple old characters damage. Yes it is just a prydwen numbers, which arent very objective but what can I say... As long as in WuWa wont get these type of charasters power spikes, we are fine. Carlotta have 38k, Jinshi 39k, Camelya 30k and Jiyan 30k. These are healthy numbers for game balance, and as long as new damage dealers wont pass lets say 40-45k untill 3.0 we are perfectly fine. Ps also HSR was getting alot money with Acheron release, while WuWa get alot with.. New skin and Carlotta. So far so good, dont panic. But tbh I might be wrong with all that positivity, but I realy hope it doesnt become a toxic one already, lol.
This is still f2p friendly I saw someone in RUclips cleared the middle tower with spectro rover, sanhua and verina team and just using standard weapon banner and variation for verina. People just love to complain.
Honestly clearing crownless with 5 sec left while having 2 sig weapons does not fill me with confidence that tower wont get progressively worse as time goes on
maybe you need to change up your team rotations or farm some better echoes because I cleared the towers with no SIG weapons, imo proper rotations are just as impactful if not more than a couple of SIG weapons. my carlotta was clearing the middle towers 5 seconds late then I changed up her rotations then I managed to clear it with 15 seconds to spare.
Yeah, he says that he cleared it like he didn't have less than 5 secs left with perfect rotations, 3 limited 5 stars and 2 signatures... Honestly his teams got carried by shorekeeper
I mean it depends on what team you were using vs Crownless. The floor is designed for Carlotta + Zhezhi but Jinhsi, Changli, Encore, Lingyang, Chixia or Jiyan should have no issue clearing it as long as they're built properly.
@@hallyuniverse Forreal. I don’t like TOA either but encore + Sanhua hard carries my account when I have trouble using XLY or Jinhsi for certain stages.
@Issa_Oth camellya barely cleared in time, literally less than 1 second away. Lets say he uses a properly built sanhua and that shaves off some seconds, still crazy that just because of not getting the damage buff but getting a nerf she went from easily clearing any previous tower to this. She was on banner last patch...
@@cagrgunduz9934 Ah, I keep forgetting that bosses also have 40% more resistance to the same element. I’m so used to just matching the buff without checking which boss I’m up against.
I think the issue is not only that is also the over HP don't get me wrong but your Xiangli Yao states are literally insane yet you finished barely on time while you got all your crits. They increased the HP of all the bosses to the point of them becoming bullet sponges you now need to crit every single thing to barely do it and don't have time to spare like it used to be. A whale recently showed the final tower the dude was hitting 600k with Jenshi and he max shorekeeper S6 and he only got 20 seconds to spare in the end this is insane.
Exactly this. Last ToA, if I missed more than 2 crit, I had to restart. This ToA, I used same team in middle tower, didn’t miss a single crit, and cleared 20 seconds slower.
And is it harder a bad thing? There's barely any challenging stuff in the game, and you guys are just complaining about something being slightly harder than you're used to?
@@AndyWaves_ there’s a difference between “harder” and “let’s just add more HP to the bosses in the form of weakening other resonators”. I can’t wait to fight those 2.0 bosses bc they are definitely a big step up in terms of difficulty
@AndyWaves_ harder not in damage but in tankiness which is a bad thing. Heck make the boss kill me in 1 shot but don't let him be a bullet Spong. Fighting for your life in the game is exciting since you die in 1 shot. But fighting the timer because the boss is an oversized balloon is not. See the difference?
Originally it would be possible to run neutral, typically Yao or jinshi to get past part of the issues. But this time they had the disadvantage for TWO towers be glacio and middle tower specifically went with aero alongside glacio which jiyan may be solid but considering the boon is around coordination attack, it’s clearly intent to use the new echo sets, but since jiyan is not as high octane on the dps, this means it’s a bad comp. Also tried Yao with first middle tower and 4th floor left and both of them SUCKED for him. RES also has a much higher impact then damage bonus was since the latter was saturated while RES has a much higher impact. The only way to 30/30 leads into using Carlotta in THREE DIFFERENT FLOORS, but that doesn’t work. And normally you use zhezhi with jinshi and Carlotta so that makes it also a fk fest. Getting 24 stars is still possible but 27 stars may be insanely difficult this time. Kuro games needs to rebalance it so none of the towers overlap on the god damn elements, and keep the middle tower to ALL ATTRIBUTE instead of this god damn specific element crap. The level gap makes a massive dps gap and the all attribute buff being dropped doesn’t help either.
i no longer can 3 stars the middle tower with jinhsi taoqi yuanwu after this TOA reset, it kinda convince me to pull for phoebe later than using the low budget team. But i dont really mind about it, just lacking 2 stars isnt so bad i just missed some astrite.
@@neverhonors2688 I wouldnt feel butthurt if i manage 27 stars but when the gap feels `this huge` its not a good feels, especially if it flips off Yao extremely hard and its the first ToA of 2.0. to boot. I`ll need to do some strangulation spamming to tweak things around so i could save shorekeepr for the middle tower.
@@BladeSerph i use Xyao Yinlin Verina on the fourth floor of the other two tower, and use the Carlotta Zhezhi Shorekeeper for the middle.. As for the rest i use a mix of Rover, Changli and Encore... u dont have to use a team on three floors imo... but yes the res felt more punishing , but im not sure about the real calculation
Saint, I think the point people are complaining about is that this end game mode is not free to play friendly. Sure you can use 6 limited 5 star DPS and support characters, but try to do this when you only have like 2 to 3 DPS and mostly 4 stars with limited dupes feels bad. I can clear any hologram 6 first try, but tower feels obnoxious/y gatekept.
I think doing it on any comp is still missing the point. The point is a change, not in favor of the player bases, which is negative no matter if u still can clear it or not, cause we have to think the player base and not each individual
you dont have to clear full tower if u have only a few units, you only miss a few astrites and you are not forced to clear it, been playing since launch and at the begining I was unable to fully clear it and its fine, didnt really cared, rn I can, because I have more units, just be patient
The time limit of new ToA is too short. Middle tower now has multiple enemies spawning one at a time with ridiculous HP. My f2p jinhsi with yuanwu can't even 3 star middle tower. Got too few astrites to even summon for multiple 5 star characters
"I could have a better investment" dude has Xiangli Yao with 80%crit rate 300 Crti dmg, and a Yinlin with 98% crit rate 270 crit dmg, yeah Rookie numbers, If you don't have that you are bad at the game. I feel lucky having my Jinshi with 75 crit rate 244 crit dmg... honestly I feel insulted everytime this guy thinks he is "reliable"
@@Emmerld he is LITERALLY showing them in the selection screen so No Shorekeeper buffs nor shit like that he is just flexing si luck and calling you bad for it.
@@blazeman2419bruh, i wonder if you even play the game by saying this. The usual fulll double crit stats is 275/75 there's no way someone can get 90+/300+ stats is BUFFED by SK.
@@Himiii77 I didn't knew that SK gives you ONLY 5 (for 75 to get 80) crit rate I could swear it was 12. Also I didn't knew SK could keep her buff in the SELECTION SCREEN, AFTER THE BATTLE IN TOA WAS ALREADY FINISHED.
@@Himiii77I did the calcs and it is possible to get 60.5%/(82.5%) crate and 299%/(255%) cdmg (5* 4 cost cdmg/crate mainstat [first instances are with cdmg mainstat and bracketed instances are with crate mainstat]) without the weapon. However that’d require *perfect* dual crit stat rolls on all the echoes, so yeah it’s impossible to reach 300+ cdmg and 90+ crate without shorekeeper.
He should do an echo challenge where he has a set amount of wave plates to farm and what ever echos he can get with those wave plates he has to use! :P
I understand that this is a "skill check", but I think the complaint is that it feels predatory in a way that encourages players to purchase from the store.
Not a skill check. Its a wallet check. Also im not doing allat. I want to use my shorekeeper and then use my yinlin and then zhanli yao. Im not doing all this swap swap swap BS. Its not fun. I just want to see big rainbow numbers go brr.
no it just encourages u to use a certain type of character, the buffs ain’t directly for carlotta but any ice dps and to prevent u from using certain characters to make it more challenging, its endgame content and that exists for u to build up and challenge urself, giving u something to do, if it was truly predatory they would make dps out dmg each other which they dont and r on similar lvl to each other, ur still aint forced to pull anyone and the fact it gives low rewards just proves it more for those that want a challenge and content, rn its hard because lack of overall characters but in the future itll be a lot easier as u will have a bigger selection. if u want my opinion if u struggling to pass it then u either one choose to get better or two just leave it and only do the stages u can do and dont stress urself out
At least his thundering brother spawns immediately and you can damage him as soon as he appears. With Tempest we need to spare 5 secs for him to finish his entrance. Can't count how many times my Jinhsi full forte got wasted on his entrance due to bad timing
@s981318 my maxed out yao using 3 star gauntlet(4 star weapon performs similar) with s1r1 yinlin and shorekeeper s0 variation couldn't even do crap in this hazard zone.
This is still f2p friendly I saw someone in RUclips cleared the middle tower with spectro rover, sanhua and verina team and just using standard weapon banner and variation for verina. People just love to complain.
Well, it starts, boys and girls. People thought their favourite gacha is immune to it. Add more hp, narrow usable teams toward newer ones, add flying crownless. My favourite Genshin tactic. But its okay. We can still clear it, right?
Some dude named julluestoo cleared this ToA with just rover, verina and sanhua.. and all of them are not that well equipped either.. yet he still cleared the tower, u guys just love to complain whatsoever
Its "not crazy" right now but imagine a tower in a future where theres a % penalty for Spectro and Glacio dmg and then Crownless (innate Havoc resistance) that just turns off half of your roaster and all of the S-tier dps we have right now Middle tower HAS to come back to its previous state, elemental penalties are for side floors
Yeah we should take this seriously. Not every reset will have an incident where the boss res matches the stage res. Plus all the previous stage made it so you can use any team and they all get the same benefits where this stage wants you to use 2 certain element team
Hopefully they don't increase the debuffs, but 10% Res does NOT mean you're not gonna clear. It just means you'll deal a little bit less damage, meaning you have to play cleaner.
@@PenguinBaconPH but it's againts 10% of increase for the right attribute, which is already 20% difference, add on top of that the fact that previous affixes were 30% attribute damage increase so you technically have40% damage loss for the wrong attribute compared to previous towers
@@ashiqprio2485 this letssay they would have put AIX instead of i dont know crownless and now Spectro, havoc and electro teams wouldnt work and lets be honest saintontas stats on his characters are extremely good as well and he barely Manager
String master 50% or something crit rate buff is just that strong. Lol EDIT: And with crit rate echo too I mean, either way string master just having such high crit rate makes comp building super easier.
That's actually just a thing with the tower, where if you finish a floor with shorekeepers ult maxed and active, the buffs will show up on screen even after clearing.
@@Voiddrifter725 sorry I forgot to tally up the crit rate echo too, either way stringmaster’s high crit rate enables far more room to build a good dps yinlin, maybe settle for 70 crit rate in favor of crit damage 4 cost echo, thanks to shore keeper padding the numbers. And since we should have rover near or at max havoc waveband with 2.0, that should mean alongside the spectro razzle echo set, rover has the easiest means for BOTH thar forms to achieve 100% crit rate compared to all other characters, without the inclusion of 5 star limited waveband unit dupes. Granted I’m a light spender technically who don’t chase duplicates intentionally. Maybe once it’s back down to one new character a version I ‘could’ contemplate it, once I got jinshi’s signature weapon by the next phase and likely wont need changli’s signaturnjust yet.
I think it's not just the fact you have 10% resistance, it's also the fact you aren't getting the 30% buff that was on every prior tower. So everything could be totally neutral and it'd still be worse than before
I stopped playing the game around 1.2 and i could easily clear the tower full stars with my jingshi+yinlin team, but now i was barely able to do it after trying for hours and i even had to farm better echos to do cuz i didn't have double crit in 2 of my 5 echoes
This is a huge L take from you. You should be way more critical of this. Yeah it is fine that you wouldn't use Camellya on crownless or yinlin on the other side, but the resists make it much harder to use those characters on the sides you WOULD have used them on. It is way too early in the games life to do this and you shouldn't be defending it. Think about it more. You barely fully cleared. The average upper end player still won't play as well as you. This is not a good thing for the game.
u know what else is too early bitching about one tower out of three being scummy just because they want their new character to shine a bit better. its at best one pull worth that you're missing out and its only a problem if they continue on with this trend this is literally the first time they did and ppl are bitching like its the end of the world how bout we save the bitching for when they make it trend which i doubt and which i will eat my word if it's wrong
When 4/6 top dps team can full clear with ease and the 2/6 can still full clear with tighter windows I think the games fine. I don't have jiyan or carlotta and my Jinshi/Camellya teams full cleared on mobile. If your a new player middle tower isn't even worth cause you get more rewards full clearing side towers with 2 teams.
@@nikkiree-j3k completely disagree with you here. Giving important constructive feedback EARLY and often is why this game is in such a good place right now to begin with.
@@Breezemordus No cause my Yao cleared both side towers. And I tried camellya but her quick swaps are hard to pull off on mobile. Especially sanhua. Since I have to wait for the buttons to appear on my screen to negative edge, and not have immediate input after liberation.
If this is their way to make the game more "challenging" then I'm afraid we're currently watching this game cock a gun before it shoots itself in the near future. Heck, I'm not even affected myself because my account has very good coverage but I can see how this affects others that aren't so lucky with their pulls.
At the end of day, maybe Kuro overtuned ToA, but its not even half a pull of astrite. Do not stress yourself over nothing. Escape the gacha brainrot. Your time and mental state aint worth that little. If its not fun just dont do it.
Kuro really fucked up with this one. Everyone go to your surveys and tell the devs this is NOT COOL, at least they will listen and change it back unlike a certain other gacha open world rpg
😂 oh it’s actually hilarious how much you don’t realize these companies are barely any different. Gacha is gacha and gacha is scummy. You think they’re listening till they pull another stunt like this or don’t change it like you thought they would. Let go of your delusions.
@@zxlasher6910 I never said hoyo is the best now did I? Don’t go putting words in my mouth and making assumptions. Genshin’s improvements had nothing to do with Wuwa. The amount of times I’ve seen this point made is wild because it’s absolute copium. You really think Kuro making Pennie’s compared to what hoyo makes was enough of a threat that they made changes to the game? Absolutely not. A lot of the QoL that has come to Genshin recently was already in HSR and ZZZ. That’s where it came from. Not Wuwa. Let’s not defend the million dollar company now.
25:58 “these stats aren’t anything to write home about” you must not write home often mate, you content creators are completely out of touch. these echoes are far above average, and you’re barely clearing despite all the quick swap bs you’re doing. how is a normal player meant to handle this?
cuz they aint, they give so much materials, echos and cubes and yet u cant even come close to the stats they have? like they gave us over 50 echo boxes (like im pretty sure they gave at least over 500 boxes from last couple of patches too), exploring map, gave many cubes and the echo boss boxes + u can farm echo bosses FOR FREE, u dont need better or the same stats btw just similar + even then their characters wasn’t fully built. the tower is meant for end gamers not people who dont wanna grind and even then u can get tons of astrites from previous floor so u aint completely out of it especially when the higher floors dont even give much which states it more for people who ran out of content and wants a challenge, “but u just about made it” look at the amount of debuffs they had so imagine a team that didnt have such debuffs applied, u dont even need glacio unit or anything and they would clear with ease
Yea, just barely had 5 sec to spare to clear that tower with a full team of limited 5 stars with their signature weapons and a sequence… New or f2p players aren’t going to have anywhere close to that, let alone the insane echo rng luck
doesn’t matter how many echoes you have to roll when they don’t give you enough xp materials to level them. you can spend 2 weeks just doing tacet fields for xp and get maybe 3 or 4 usable pieces out of it, and maybe one of them is an upgrade. no shit there’s plenty of echoes, but we’re all flat broke. not everyone is so lucky to get their echoes to roll more than 2 or 3 beneficial stats more than once a month. and even when we get the right stat lines they low roll.
@@UnusualEcho exactly. people have lives, I shouldn’t be barred from full clearing because I can’t spend several hours a day killing mobs in the overworld. not that doing that gives you the xp to level the echoes you get anyway.
@ u can craft and upgrade em and u can get em from anywhere wdym not enough when they give u tons have u just been wasting em or som, especially when u can use old bad echoes to lvl up new ones too, yh use tacets to get echoes and lvl mats so even more echoes for u right there, also u can buy em from the shop using useless in game currency, u basically get tons and if ur rlly a end game player which the tower is made for then u should have wayyy more than enough and u only rlly need 60% crit rate and 260% crit dmg minimum which is easy especially when u get a base of 150% crit dmg and around 20% more crit dmg/crit rate from lvling talents with weapon that give tons of crit/rate and then main echo itself giving tons of crit, even if u had bad luck i dont see how u cant even get 60/260 atm u can only achieve that by either being new or generally forcing urself its that impossible
Alright, here is my run as an f2p. I used changli(S0 emerald R1) shorekeeper(variation), and yinlin(S1R1 luck) on crownless. It was a headache, damage barely enough even though all my units are maxed out with crownless trolling around during final 10s countdown(he's flying too much) Carlotta(S0 static mist) not maxed talents and echoes, yinlin(same as before), and shorekeeper(same as before). On the electro opponents, it was tough, barely clear it on time. This rotation clearly incentivize you to pull for zhezhi and carlotta, or having s0r1 unit to brute force it. F2ps are in shambles. Those who says it is easy either has carlotta, or an s0r1 unit that can brute force the bosses.
@MysticLuka My changli stats are 77/261 without buffs from shorekeeper, 89/286 with buffs from shorekeeper. All echoes has double crits even shorekeeper has all double crits, so does carlotta, yinlin. What bad echoes?
@@waduhhfreeze9779 I was memeing, not referring to you specifically but the common issue most players will face being shitty echo luck. I'm trying my best to get my Carlottas echos to double crit baseline but still not quite there.
This new TOA is so hard i gave up and decided to wait till i finish building my carlotta (this is coming from a guy whos been comfortably 30starring for the last few patches) Edit: I full cleared it last week with carlotta
No wonder the Middle Tower feels harder to clear using the usual team. Thank you very much for the Video lol, some people, like me, go blindly into tower and confused why its harder, thanks to Saint it's explained clearly . Will retry it later.
this would've been alright in the future where there's way more roster to choose from, but with the game being this young, we are still very limited in what we can use, except for whales.
This !!! We just hit the milestone of having limited dps' for each element, yet they decide to pull this for middle tower. If this were made when we have a bazzilion of teams to choose from then fine, but we as of now just barely have enough comp variations to work around with. Shorekeeper and Verina are always busy, now Zhezhi is torn between Jinhsi or Carlotta comps. Only Yao and Carlotta had a dedicated premium sub dps that synergize 100% with their kit. Changli who has to be played dual dpd quickswap because her output is bad at hypercarry, and lastly Jiyan who's glued to Mortefi.
@toefu6182 Now THIS is the real problem, not whatever tf everyone else is complaining about. This tower is fine, it just came too early. This is literally how PGR's Pain Cage and Warzone works, enemies have much higher HP but lower resistance against a certain element that counteracts the HP increase, the only difference is that Wuwa doesn't have the same amount of characters that PGR has.
I still cleared the middle tower with camellya and xiangli yao, because i didn't read and thought: "oh all the element are on display so all elements are buffed"... Makes sens now
Honestly without their signature weapon's, it's definitely not possible seeing how Saint only cleared it with only 5 seconds and 0.xx seconds left respectively
@@JinWoo.. Its easy if you got both 5 star char. that are for each other even without their sig weapon, but if for ex. Carlotta you don't have Zhezhi you need to pull for her weapon, hence you need to prioritize what you want in the game, more char. to play with or focus min-maxing 1 char. i cleared the 1st middle tower with Jinhsi with taoqi and yuanwu and yes only Jinhsi is level 90 + with sig, just barely. Cleared the 2nd middle tower with Carlotta with Sig and good enough echo stats with all lvl skills 7 while liberation 8, with Sanhua and SK.
@@haruusami1831 I meant you can't clear middle tower with electro or havoc characters without their signature weapons like Camellya and Xiangli. And yea you can definitely clear the side Towers with any character without signature as long as you have a good team
@@JinWoo.. Ah didn't read the OP comment properly but yeah true not possible without sig, but honestly don't bother fighting X boss that is resistant to X element etc.
the damage decrease and hp buff to the boss without giving players a LITTLE more time is very bad imo but knowing kuro depending on how we react they will not do things like this anymore
As much as I like WuWa, this toa update which precisely tuned for Carlotta's kit to presumably to boost her banner sale is a bit stinky. Jenazad and/or fobmaster brought it up in previous Gacha podcast and I disagree with them back then but what they said came true. Yes we can still clear it but I personally don't like this trend moving forward. It just creates ammo/point for people to condemn the game.
I had Carlotta with signature and also i got zhezi but can't use them i need to farm echo and upgrade first. But i already cleared toa. Point is if you got the latest chars still you will not use them in toa for atleast 12-13 days bec you need to build them.
During Jiyan banner 1.0, they buffed Aero; for Jinhsi, they buffed Spectro; for Changli, they buffed Fusion, same as XLY, Camellya, and Carlotta. Why they did not complain about this during previous patches? Because the buffs benefited them, lol. Players who only had 2 type DPS units (free XLY and 2 best Havoc DPS, Camellya and Rover) could easily clear ToA. Now, however, they’ve realized they need one more DPS
@@pauljerome01thing is, in PGR you can choose your resonances, and getting both characters AND kits is much easier. You can also SS any character without doing double pull Source: a F2P Babel try-hard
Yeah, crownless often interrupted my carlotta movements, while I was hitting with resonance liberation. Memphis too is annoying but it's more affordable.
@@david_connors7031 I won't say he is easy but people are already beating him with spectro Rover and 4 stars, I got 3 stars but I have an unrealistic luck with my polls an got every limited character and most weapon
Saintontas is the guy who will still defend Kuro even if they showed up to his house and robbed him lmao. The simple fact is we just had Yinlin and Camellya banners, people finally finished building those characters, and now they are being not able to use them in the Tower or face issues while facing them, when earlier u could use anyone in middle tower. How is this hard to understand its common sense
God, how people love to make tragedy out of little things. You can't use Camellia in only 2 stages out of 10, Yinlin in 1 out of 10, because it's just the bosses of their elements, it doesn't depend on resistances.
This is still f2p friendly I saw someone in RUclips cleared the middle tower with spectro rover, sanhua and verina team and just using standard weapon banner and variation for verina. People just love to complain.
@@dremorio The stages you stated are also the stages that matter the most since they are the hardest. I think it is enough to have resistances on the enemies, but having inbuilt resistances alongside it so you cannot use previous characters who's banners were just rolled out is crazy work.
@@dremorioMy brother, THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IT BEGINS TO SPIRAL DOWN. We CANNOT let this shit slide just because 'isn't too bad and could be worse', THE PREVIOUS TOWER WAS PLAIN BETTER. AND THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY *NO REASON* FOR THEM TO CHANGE IT. The WHOLE idea of the middle tower was to be a general tower where you could use anyone both from your old and new roster and ALL are viable, but now the underperforming characters underperform EVEN MORE, and it limits the roster you can use. NOT EVERYONE HAS PERFECT ROLLS. NOT EVERYONE HAS LIMITED 5* AND THEIR SIGS. If we don't hold Kuro accountable now it might turn into Genshin 2.0, the same way people haven't held them accountable back then just because the things 'weren't too bad and could be worse'. Wanna know something? LITTLE THINGS ADD UP OVER THE YEARS.
I get it when he says that he's characters aren't that invested in. But can we talk about the crit ratio? 98/280 yinlin ? 80/310 xiangliao? Bro got almost max proc in all his echo
@@ZekryuuuSK gives 12.5% crit rate and 25% crit dmg, remove that and the characters are still cracked. My Zhezhi is my most cracked unit stats wise, 70/280% crits with her signature. So I'm pretty sure all his chars have their sig weapon. My XYao has the standard gauntlet and his stats are 64/238% crit stats... and I think he has double crits on all his echoes. And he SUCKS in this TOA, even with Yinlin and Shorekeeper. Sure, I'm not that skilled, but it shouldn't be THAT BAD.
@@Max15691 yeah this guy is pretty disingenuous on his take, glossing over how much investment his main dps characters had to have to barely full clear both stages on the middle tower.
Video Conclusion: ToA is not predatory at all and does not force you to get the new character, just spend $100~$200 per DPS and Sub DPS to get their respective signature weapons 😁👍 I found it quite funny that you showed the weapons you were using on all Support and Sub DPS and did not show the weapon of any DPS lmao
The game gives enough pulls to get a character and a signature every other patch even with lost 50/50. I have 0$ spent and all of my 5* except for Yao (I didn't roll for him) have sig weapon. Won a couple 50/50's but lost most of them
Wuwa actually gives weapon-only pulls each patch tho. And unlike in games like genshin or hsr, the weapon banner is 100% so its much easier to pull one. I didnt spend anything on the game aside from the monthly (like 4 times) and I still got weapons for every character I pulled (Jinhsi, Yao (free, so just weapon), Yinlin rerun, Carlotta) except Zhezi. And the subdps dont need their weapons at all. You can use some 4* (or sometimes 3*) weapon instead. Preferably the one that boost concerto gain. On my Jinhsi I literally used a lvl 1 yuanwu with 3* weapon to clear most tower bosses, and then add Verina (lvl 60, some random 4* weapon, not even the concerto gain one) for the last few.
they didnt mess up, it was deliberate and their intentions and a sneaky way to tell you, go pull carlotta and spend money. as much as i like the game, it deserves to be called out as such
This is still f2p friendly I saw someone in RUclips cleared the middle tower with spectro rover, sanhua and verina team and just using standard weapon banner and variation for verina. People just love to complain.
@@ChomskysGaming average player? this is endgame content , your clearly need to have a few dps characters build to clear this and have some game knowledge
@@blue2115 once again, i never said you need her, or cant clear without her, im saying its predatory and its sending a message that most agree with (including saint in this video), to the average player who don't know how to play 100% optimally, or don't play all day everyday, and deserves to be called out. i dont love to complain, its called criticism, i want the game to be better and less predatory than it already is by virtue of being a gacha game to begin with, because i love it. no need to take a critique of it as an attack on you or the game, its just a video game
Do we really have HP inflation? I'm just curious because my clear time middle tower Crownless with Jiyan/Mort/Verina is 58s, almost the same as previous ToA
I think that the core problem here is that in previous iterations, you could compensate damage you lacked with skill, but in this one, you are obliged to play perfectly in order to barely do it (doing 30/30 until now, and i can say that this was the one i thought i wouldnt be able to do it, middle towers with 3 stars with .4 seconds left and .7 seconds left, after 7 retries. used jiyan team with 75/288 s0r1)
Tbh I honestly I feel like this really limits F2P's and new players more than players who've been around for couple of patches. I know this is an endgame mode but if they wanted to make it more of an endgame mode they should have created a separate endgame mode. I don't like this change at all, it's not a really big bad thing but no a problem is a problem, a bad implementation is a bad implementation. Make sure to express opinions about this in the surveys guys.
@@f.b.l.9813 Well if they want to make things harder they should not add artificial difficulty like resistance increase. Anyways middle towers were hard enough already, also this is a predatory practice as well since they are reducing glacio resistance to better sell the new active banner character Carlotta.
You proved this is shit having to pass the tower with absolutely cracked DPS (double crit echoes obviously) with their signature weapons. The only team that worked for me in the middle tower was Jihnsi (wich is weaker than yours), Zhezhi, Shorekeeper. My Jihnsi has Jiyan's weapon, not bad, my Zhezhi has her signature, and Shorekeeper is Shorekeeper, she doesn't need much investment to have all her buffs doing great work (mine has a 3 star weapon).
@cheezy9307 I don't have Aalto built, but my Chixia is half built. Before this patch she was able to solo the side towers up to floor 3 with ease. Sometimes get one dorito on floor 4. Not anymore... only floor 1 is easy, and for the others I need some kind of support from other characters.... in one patch, and like what... 7 months since the game's release? (I got her the standard pistols just yesterday, and will invest more on her because I like her. Maybe with 70/250-270% crit stats she can be a really good DPS, her dodge counters are really strong). Even worse, the debuff is against the limited characters from the LAST PATCH. My point is, this is scummy behaviour from Kuro, it's the same shit as Genshin, don't defend it, I guess that would be my point for Saintontas.
have built my characters to to at least 8/10 but still I only was able to clear one stars on the red TOA, I guess double crit echo sets to a lot, since I mostly have single crit substats for my echoes
@@Max15691 you literally said toa need crack DPS with double crit echos with signature.. while I say, you don't need all of that because even 4 star chixia alto danjin can solo clear and danjin literally get domain nerf.. you literally have one of the top DPS and her premium team bro.. at this point just get good bro... Yes the tower buff is for carlotta but you don't need her to clear it bro
@@cheezy9307 And I still claim that. When I look at those solo runs guess how are they built? With a crit rate/dmg weapon and double crit echoes, how am I wrong? I know Chixia's potential (never used Aalto or Danjin), I play her quite a bit, she's fun and now I finally have a good weapon for her, and like I said, I used to be able to solo up to floor 3 on both side towers. I kinda want to get Zani and Phoebe (so I don't know if I'll have enough resources)... hopefully they won't be done dirty like Camellya, XY and Yinlin getting a debuff in the toa right after their patch!! And I just pulled Yinlin, and I can't use her to her full potential with my XY? (Got fairly lucky with the echoes, so she's decently built, and I borrow Zhezhi's weapon for better stats). Still, you completely missed my point and told me to Git Gud, read my comment again, it's pretty clear... same shit as Genshin, and it pisses me off, I had enough of that crap and I don't want WuWa to do the same. Stalling bosses, bullshit resistances and dmg sponges, they'll later add stupid annoying mechanics to keep making this thing as annoying as possible instead of a test of how good a team is. At least keep everything neutral, just the typical enemy resistances, and buff some of their HP compared to the overworld bosses, because those are weak. For pure skill test there's the holograms, that's my go to for testing my reflexes, counters, dodges, etc.
I've seen across the board from Hoyoverse and now Kuro raising difficulty to make it significantly difficult to use characters you invested on vs facilitating it significantly in favor of the new characters. I do understand that its a Gacha game but what makes me consider to not drop another penny in these games is basically the fact that your investment in the game is undermined in every single patch that comes afterwards and you know that clearing endgame is not going to be fun from that point forward. Happend in current Abyss in genshing, Memory of chaos on Honkai Star Rail and basically across the board on that game and now this. Its kind of nuts if you ask me. I understand the need for some people that the game has some sort of difficulty but invalidating your investment in the game is not the way TBH.
I'm a FTP player and for the recent ToA reset I've used the following: Xiangli Yao/Yinlin/Shorekeeper on the left side Jinhsi/Taoqi/Yuanwu on the middle Camellya/Sanhua/Verina on the right side Imo the current ToA is not as bad as people are saying, and also think that it is not as challenging as before. When I started clearing the tower on reset, it just felt like another day of free ToA asterites; clear the lower floors, spend a few minutes doing the rotations properly, claim the rewards after. Browsing reddit after that is the only time I found out how the community felt about it.
same for me. Im F2P and pretty much just cleared it after the TOA reset just for asterites. My lineup basically same like you but i do have Zhezhi so it pretty much helped me a lot in the middle tower. Once i open the reddit like "woah.. ppl hate this TOA reset that much ig"
The more I see this video the more I realize how important Shorekeepers S1 is. Shorekeepers S1 for example enables Xiangli Yao to execute his 3 Hypercubes consistently before swapping back to Shorekeeper. Also having Red Spring instead of Emerald of Genesis really helps with Camellya dmg.
people sleep on the duration extension of S1 on shorekeeper. I remember people reviewing S1 shorekeeper and saying the duration extension was the least useful part. Imo every part of her S1 is very good and it synergies with her S2
I have agreed on most of Saints takes on wuwa (except on the b-roll one, that was crazy 💀), but gotta say, this one feels disingenuous... On the gacha podcast, Saint defended ToA when compared to other gachas late-game modes by explaining how wuwa doesnt really limit you on what characters to use on the middle tower, and is always explaining how you only really need 2 main dps well built to clear ToA, while other gachas like hoyo ones always horseshoes you into using 2-3 specific elements, yet now that WuWa joined them on that model, suddenly "its not a big deal" and "you were not using them anyways"... What about ppl that only have 2 main dps built? Or that invested heavily on thunder or havoc teams? All of this while keeping in mind that XY was given for free + just rerun alongside his best support, and that everybody and their mother pulled for Camelya... Most ppl dont have several different fully built teams (I do, but I understand that the vast mayority of the player base doesnt) I think having the boss being naturally resistant to this elements was enough, there was no further need to discourage the use of this units as they already where playing at a disadventage We all love WuWa and want it to be the best it can be, so thats why I think we should be firm here and call kuro out. They are allowed to make mistakes, shit happens, but if we dont let them know this is not cool, they will keep pushing on this and we will end up having hoyo end-game modes, which nobody wants
For me ToA is boring if they still follow that route. I want more hard end game outside of ToA, even with RC0R1 i feel the boss die too quickly. If you only had 2 dps you're not supposed to clear everything with them, there will be something to counter it so you need to level up other characrer. Back in 1.0 i cant even full clear ToA until 1.1 Jinhsi came out and totally fine with it. Because be able to easily clear it in 1 patch for an end game mode is bad design.
@bachkhoi9450 thats not my point tho, im not talking on whether end-game should stay the same or not, all im saying is Saint opinion here seems disingenous and contrary to previous opinions he had about the mode (see his points on the gacha podcast about ToA, then compare them with what he says here) I agree end-game needs to keep being improved on, but i dont see how the new tower solves the problem you talk about, bosses still die fairly quickly, its just they force you out of using some characters. All that being said, I do think end-game needs to keep improving, but i think they should Focus on a new mode with more restrictive team-building to complement ToA, rather than just transform ToA. At the end of the day, most ppl who watch someone like Saint like you and I, we may think end-game is lacking, but the vast mayority of the player base of the game finds It too dificult and cant clear it, so thats something to keep in mind too
@@alvaropive yeah i understand that, i still remember when they nerfed Scar because people called him too difficult. Not going to supprise if they do it again but somehow i kinda hate it when major are casual people. For new end game mode they can give fair astrite to most people who want it while still doing something for people who love challenges (like badges as reward or something)
Saintontas I watched the video and I still think this change is bad as now the fights don't feel "fair" and you also check that this iteration of toa hasn't been cleared with using 4 star char which was possible earlier And I am sure your xly and camellya has their sig which a lot of ppl Don't have and it feels like kuro took 2 steps backwards in their endgame department Some people say they need to do this to earn money but why do they have to make money on the expense of my enjoyment? They can sell skin for that I hope that people will add in their feedback to change toa back to the previous versions. Wuwa attracts a lot of players who want to try endgame but this doesn't feel nice
This is still f2p friendly I saw someone in RUclips cleared the middle tower with spectro rover, sanhua and verina team and just using standard weapon banner and variation for verina. People just love to complain.
@@woKenVFX the point is the carefully selected elemental res No matter how much you defend it, this toa is a downgrade to the previous ones and difficulty is artificially increased
I genuinely take issue with promoting the idea that "it's okay because S0S1 characters can clear with less than a second remaining." The vast majority of players don't even pull signature weapons or likely only have one or two on their entire account if they were playing since launch. And the 4 star weapon situation is depressing. It's just out of touch. L take.
i agree, dude is just showing weapons for sub dps but not the main dps which most of the damage comes from, judging into the crit ratio it seems most of his main-dps are using signature weapons
Jinhsi or Spectro Rover for the first tower, literally ANYTHING but Xiangli Yao, Yinlin and Camellia for the middle tower, and Changli or Xiangli Yao for the third tower
ToA literally always stinks why more people don't quit it is beyond me, like it doesn't even have good reset mechanics you need to restart and the bottom of the steps 🤦
Buffing specific characters is fine even if they're the "banner characters" (Reruns etc of the same elements.) It gives you an edge if you just get them. You'll probably be more skilled and have better gear with older chars that if you have to use them it's fine. It may not be AS fast but it's still usable. The resistances ON TOP of the inherit mob resistances is dogsh!t. There is no reason to do this and it can only come back later to bite you in the ass once they start adding more actual mechanics and time waste things while leaving the timer the same. It may not be hard now but it can't add anything good so why have it? Don't open the door to garbage you don't need.
@thienthien7765 it isn't an *micro* nerf to all characters, it's pretty significant. Now specific/newer characters are going to be more valuable than others. Ppl are dumb asf when it comes to companies. It feels almost like politics. If they do something you like, some will try to erase all of their mistakes. It's cringe bro. Kuro/Hoyo want your money, not your love.
@@thienthien7765 In Star rail it's Just MoC as Well. Pure fiction became more easy with the latest update and apocalyptic Shadow isn't much harder as Well.
@@auua43oh no my 1 pull every 2 week is lock behind skill issue and lack of investment, i should definitely pull for the new character chillax buddy it's not that deep its only 1pull every 2 week and its the first time they did a tower like this so their shiny new character can pop off a bit again for 1pull its not like this is the 5th or six time in a row they did it for the 1st time
like i said before, they put alot of attention on the general game with story etc. now they can show us that they can fix more/better endgame which is needed i am fully confident that endgame will get focused on through out 2.1-2.4 , with the evidence that showed how much work they put down on the 2.0 update which we all appreciated so keep giving feedbacks on Toa and endgame in general, because we all know that they can do it
I cannot beat the first 30 in NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM! It's impossible! I have good gear and even some good characters and weapons but i dont have Carlotta and this ToA clearly wants us to use her for either the middle or the right one... I hate it
@@woKenVFX all double crit high rolls is not normal. ccs make you think fully optimized echoes are the baseline, for the vast majority of the player base they’re not.
I think they should've focused on making the ToA buff/debuff more toward mechanics like dodge and parry instead of elemental attributes. Like, if you dodge a parryable attacks, your stamina will cost half of your full stamina or bosses' def will increase for, let's say, 3-5 seconds. And if you manage to parry, your attack will increase, etc. It will make ToA will be based on players' skill rather than characters collection.
Nah , this TOA change is a big deal if not address as commenters say "it will get worse like HSR", so I hope they change this to the last buff they put to make all teams viable on the middle floor.
idk why, but my Encore have started to deal less damage(about 10-15% loss) even against enemies that dont have fusion res. I didnt switch her weapon or echoes, so I think they have increased all resistances for all enemies in tower, cuz outside the tower my Encore still deals her full damage.
people in the comments need to learn the meaning of end game, end game means you need to be built to your best, and need multiple builds. this goes for most games, there are far bigger issues with tower like bosses that fly artificially ruining your speed, boss intros cutting your time, ect ect. yes it was a close clear but it was close without a maxed team and without good play. towers are in a pretty good spot for difficulty just needing a couple tweaks.
His Sanhua still did 17k, and if she didn't crit or had less dmg, he would not have cleared it. It was indeed too close for comfort, and to do even better, no misplay and stronger sub dps (or whale).
Ppl well build with alot of dmg bonus on their Echo wil clear faster because of -res buff them more than 30% dmg bonus . Ppl with less dmg bonus will feel harder because 30 dmg bonus better than -res for them 😅
People just noticing this now? LOL This is always the case since like 1.2, when they buff electro for Xiangli Yao and put more spectro block for Jinshi.
This was expected, they made ToA accessible in 1.x since our accounts were new and we didn't have enough units yet. it was bound to get tough similar to MoC in HSR.
We don't want wuwa to become "have this team and win" like hsr. It's supposed to be a combat focused game where you don't just blindly do your rotation and beat everything.
@@CrowUIO do you think most players will be as skilled as him, these are gacha players we are talking about😅. Bro even had their sig with 80/300 crit ratio and he barely cleared it with xiangli yao and camellya with those builds and others had like 30 to 20s remaining
resistance to chars we just pulled feels bad man. one thing id say about your chars is, yes talent could be raised a bit more but what makes a bigger difference is the echoes, for example my s0r1 camellya has about 400 less atk and 35% less cdmg, and thats not an easy thing to make up with the multiple layers of rng the echo systems has. so average joe is gonna have a harder time.
It feels bad with S6 Camellya she's struggle to clear it and I'm doing double skill activation and Shorekeeper's end intro. I easily cleared Crownless with Carlotta S1 it's too much nerf for her.
We are getting stronger and stronger every update. So it is natural that it gets harder. You can clear the middl tower with Verina, Spectro Rover with the new eternal radiance set and Sanhua. We are getting even more materials etc to build more characters and people still complain...Kuro wants you to build more teams for each element like it is in PGR. This is not a Hoyo game!!!!
I understand forcing comps to sell units but not the literally previous patch units. So why even bother getting charlotta if she gonna be nerfed next patch middle tower
seriously though you are not gonna bother not getting a character just because she might get debuff on the next red TOA. Like you do know the following TOA will get different debuffs every other reset. I think it is a bit ridiculous to not a get a character due to that. the logic is quite lacking like they are gonna permanently nerf them in the toa lol,
We need a new end game game mode and ToA is in my opinion ass and needs some type of change I don't Luke how it forces me to build characters I don't wanna build
I've been playing around with the previous iterations of ToA with the whacky team of Encore/Changli/Bhaizhi for the theoretical scenario where I couldn't use Verina or Shorekeeper for whatever reason, normally I'm able to clear both middle towers and either 4th side floors (assuming no fusion-resistant enemies), but this middle tower was way way harder to get the clear. I did manage to beat Heron with Camellya/Sanhua/Shorekeeper tho. The thing that bothers me most is how annoying the middle tower 2nd floor is with that 2 stage elite enemies before the actual boss, but that started way before this iteration.
Saint, let's be honest here, your Yao and Yinlin stats are not relatable for the average player. 😂 Personally, I loved that the middle tower stopped being neutral - really forced me to move teams around. Gonna be a nightmare for new players though with less teams and/or main DPS built.
PGR has that too but as a f2p it makes players eventually learn where to invest their resources if they really want to clear those stages. Especially for the ones that started the game later, since most likely people who had been playing since the start probably have the well built characters and good echo sets that will be able to clear these anyways. Casual players also don't even really bother with TOA too much.
This is still f2p friendly I saw someone in RUclips cleared the middle tower with spectro rover, sanhua and verina team and just using standard weapon banner and variation for verina. People just love to complain.
@@blue2115 dude, you posting this under every comment. Not everyone have same skill ok? I seen solo Sanhua clears, but it doesn't mean everyone can do the same.
@treyfolkmen7942 or maybe don't be braindead when playing the end game? or don't play it at all and just enjoy the other aspects of the game like exploration and story
I love how you reality check everyone with that changli part. Changli quickswap is the most powerful team in this game. I could clear middle tower in less than a minute but seeing changli quickswap gameplay I can confidently say, thank goodness I chose Jinhsi over Changli a few months ago. 😂
The fact that the only fully built damage dealing characters i have are camelya, havoc rover and xi-yao make this even worse. (other than those i only have a lv70 encore and a non built charcoaleo [who's also an electro dps] )
My issue wirh tower is that: You need 3 teams. Vigor. Too many resistances. Feels alot like HI3rd's abyss type nonsense at extreme level [in hi3rd happens an abyss like but it's horrible. Starts at easy but then ramps up which happens if too many people in the server clears. So you NEED to get on the second the abyss resets to get through all 20 levels. Otherwise you have 0 luck clearing past level 2] Personally i avoid the abyss like. It's not worth the headache and i dont enjoy being forced to build characters and wasting resin on units i dont like when the resin cost of 40 and 60 dont feel worth it... like level 70 weekly is 2 drops while lv 80 is 3 but the difficulty spike is huge without completed units.. 40 resin for 80k shells vs 120 in genshin. Or 40 resin for the dedicated talent drops that barely give any golds... 3 teams wouldnt be an issue.. if i was allowed to use those 3 teams however much i want without the vigor bs... can easily copy genshins way of abyss without making it frustrating..
I was one of those who complained about it on the post💀. I finally beat it using my newly built carlotta(s0r1) with yang²(s6 with r2 standard sword) and shorekeeper(s0r0 variation at r3). Barely won it with 3 seconds left. Carlotta hard carried me on this one.
barely clearing it on time with their signature weapons, can you imagine the people who don't pull weapons and are forced to use this games terrible 4 stars.
@@Voiddrifter725Genshin gives buffs to banner characters through abyss blessings to incentivize pulling them. They don’t increase enemies resistance to certain elements making other characters straight up do way less damage.
@@TerraTheWise LOL/ but they can make enemies immune and some enemies just make u need to use special wep for them or element. and also in current abyss u have enemy with 70% hydro res and then boss that needs hydro to break shield and then wolf that needs geo if u cant one phase him in 15sec window and flying around with 200% res to all element first 15 secs. and should i tell u about second half with that natlan boss of current abyss and previous abysses with must have geo to break shields and hydro boss that oneshots? tell me where im wrong
crownless flying around just adds salt to the wounds
There is counters to that, i recommend looking it up it helps alot
Use construct something echo that turns into a sword whenever he starts flying
Or green bird something... Ahhh (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
it was ez with jiyan
@@orion615 if you use carlotta he gonna randomly fly into the corner of the map too if you quick swap resonance skill😭
50% havoc res with crownless.
40% for haron.
Camellya: chat am I cooked?
cooked? nah youre burnt. youre done. (could do the elctro guys, not crownless tho)
Is this shown anywhere in game?
@@kuwrys9384 I read idk how true it is but the boss with the same attributes have 40%res and other 10%res
@@kuwrys9384 Nah but data miner got the numbers
Just use her on Memphis and Aix?
All I am going to say is, defend this rn and it will only get worse. I dont want HSR situation in this game.
THIS!!
@@shradha7624lol I saw someone in RUclips cleared the middle tower with spectro rover, sanhua and verina team. This tower is still f2p friendly
Im starting playing from 1.3 (Shorekeeper), I think it was a week before shorekeeper banner runs out. Basically I only have Camellya and Xiang Li Yao (yes I pull because hes a cool guy) as a F2P, also Im playing casually because I have work to do.
If his argument just use another DPS defending this kind of practice then this gonna demotivate me even more to play.
To begin with you should look at characters, not at enemies.
To make it easy and fast 1.x chars HSR: Seele, JY, Blade, Kafka, DHIL, Jingliu
solo target 320, 291, 223, 311, 357. 327
2.x chars HSR: BS, Acheron, Boothill...
I stoped on Boothill because solo target: 339, 701, 1200...
701! 1200! TWICE or even triple old characters damage. Yes it is just a prydwen numbers, which arent very objective but what can I say... As long as in WuWa wont get these type of charasters power spikes, we are fine.
Carlotta have 38k, Jinshi 39k, Camelya 30k and Jiyan 30k. These are healthy numbers for game balance, and as long as new damage dealers wont pass lets say 40-45k untill 3.0 we are perfectly fine.
Ps also HSR was getting alot money with Acheron release, while WuWa get alot with.. New skin and Carlotta. So far so good, dont panic. But tbh I might be wrong with all that positivity, but I realy hope it doesnt become a toxic one already, lol.
This is still f2p friendly I saw someone in RUclips cleared the middle tower with spectro rover, sanhua and verina team and just using standard weapon banner and variation for verina. People just love to complain.
Honestly clearing crownless with 5 sec left while having 2 sig weapons does not fill me with confidence that tower wont get progressively worse as time goes on
maybe you need to change up your team rotations or farm some better echoes because I cleared the towers with no SIG weapons, imo proper rotations are just as impactful if not more than a couple of SIG weapons.
my carlotta was clearing the middle towers 5 seconds late then I changed up her rotations then I managed to clear it with 15 seconds to spare.
Yeah, he says that he cleared it like he didn't have less than 5 secs left with perfect rotations, 3 limited 5 stars and 2 signatures...
Honestly his teams got carried by shorekeeper
I mean it depends on what team you were using vs Crownless. The floor is designed for Carlotta + Zhezhi but Jinhsi, Changli, Encore, Lingyang, Chixia or Jiyan should have no issue clearing it as long as they're built properly.
@@hallyuniverse Forreal. I don’t like TOA either but encore + Sanhua hard carries my account when I have trouble using XLY or Jinhsi for certain stages.
Save up your premium corals and get constellation for 5 stars
Damn thats crazy
*keeps gliding thru the whole region*
Based on Real life incidents
Fr bro
Ye sweating in ToA? Couldn’t be me
*flies off to Rina*
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
deadass me
Having sig on xy with a crazy crit ratio and still barely 3 starring still shows how bad it is.
Is the resistance really that bad? I’ve only tried Xiangli Yao for the right tower and haven’t tested for the left or middle tower yet.
@Issa_Oth camellya barely cleared in time, literally less than 1 second away. Lets say he uses a properly built sanhua and that shaves off some seconds, still crazy that just because of not getting the damage buff but getting a nerf she went from easily clearing any previous tower to this. She was on banner last patch...
@@cagrgunduz9934 Ah, I keep forgetting that bosses also have 40% more resistance to the same element. I’m so used to just matching the buff without checking which boss I’m up against.
@@cagrgunduz9934 that's cutting your dps in half.
@@cagrgunduz9934middle floor which stage
I think the issue is not only that is also the over HP don't get me wrong but your Xiangli Yao states are literally insane yet you finished barely on time while you got all your crits.
They increased the HP of all the bosses to the point of them becoming bullet sponges you now need to crit every single thing to barely do it and don't have time to spare like it used to be.
A whale recently showed the final tower the dude was hitting 600k with Jenshi and he max shorekeeper S6 and he only got 20 seconds to spare in the end this is insane.
I dont mind a challenge. I mind the fking timer. Buff the bosses and remove the timer its so cancer.
Exactly this. Last ToA, if I missed more than 2 crit, I had to restart. This ToA, I used same team in middle tower, didn’t miss a single crit, and cleared 20 seconds slower.
And is it harder a bad thing? There's barely any challenging stuff in the game, and you guys are just complaining about something being slightly harder than you're used to?
@@AndyWaves_ there’s a difference between “harder” and “let’s just add more HP to the bosses in the form of weakening other resonators”. I can’t wait to fight those 2.0 bosses bc they are definitely a big step up in terms of difficulty
@AndyWaves_ harder not in damage but in tankiness which is a bad thing.
Heck make the boss kill me in 1 shot but don't let him be a bullet Spong.
Fighting for your life in the game is exciting since you die in 1 shot.
But fighting the timer because the boss is an oversized balloon is not.
See the difference?
tbh the buff is ok, but the resistance increase left a bad taste in the mouth... i do end up with 30/30 but i do use Carlotta in the middle tower
Originally it would be possible to run neutral, typically Yao or jinshi to get past part of the issues.
But this time they had the disadvantage for TWO towers be glacio and middle tower specifically went with aero alongside glacio which jiyan may be solid but considering the boon is around coordination attack, it’s clearly intent to use the new echo sets, but since jiyan is not as high octane on the dps, this means it’s a bad comp.
Also tried Yao with first middle tower and 4th floor left and both of them SUCKED for him.
RES also has a much higher impact then damage bonus was since the latter was saturated while RES has a much higher impact.
The only way to 30/30 leads into using Carlotta in THREE DIFFERENT FLOORS, but that doesn’t work.
And normally you use zhezhi with jinshi and Carlotta so that makes it also a fk fest.
Getting 24 stars is still possible but 27 stars may be insanely difficult this time.
Kuro games needs to rebalance it so none of the towers overlap on the god damn elements, and keep the middle tower to ALL ATTRIBUTE instead of this god damn specific element crap.
The level gap makes a massive dps gap and the all attribute buff being dropped doesn’t help either.
i no longer can 3 stars the middle tower with jinhsi taoqi yuanwu after this TOA reset, it kinda convince me to pull for phoebe later than using the low budget team. But i dont really mind about it, just lacking 2 stars isnt so bad i just missed some astrite.
@@neverhonors2688 I wouldnt feel butthurt if i manage 27 stars but when the gap feels `this huge` its not a good feels, especially if it flips off Yao extremely hard and its the first ToA of 2.0. to boot.
I`ll need to do some strangulation spamming to tweak things around so i could save shorekeepr for the middle tower.
@@BladeSerph i use Xyao Yinlin Verina on the fourth floor of the other two tower, and use the Carlotta Zhezhi Shorekeeper for the middle.. As for the rest i use a mix of Rover, Changli and Encore... u dont have to use a team on three floors imo... but yes the res felt more punishing , but im not sure about the real calculation
because the devs really want you to use carlotta in the middle.
Saint, I think the point people are complaining about is that this end game mode is not free to play friendly. Sure you can use 6 limited 5 star DPS and support characters, but try to do this when you only have like 2 to 3 DPS and mostly 4 stars with limited dupes feels bad. I can clear any hologram 6 first try, but tower feels obnoxious/y gatekept.
It’s just lucky based I have 6 dps as f2p and I’m having trouble since my teams are resisted against
Make sure to put in the feedback. Been trying to get them to overhaul ToA to something better
I think doing it on any comp is still missing the point. The point is a change, not in favor of the player bases, which is negative no matter if u still can clear it or not, cause we have to think the player base and not each individual
you dont have to clear full tower if u have only a few units, you only miss a few astrites and you are not forced to clear it, been playing since launch and at the begining I was unable to fully clear it and its fine, didnt really cared, rn I can, because I have more units, just be patient
The time limit of new ToA is too short. Middle tower now has multiple enemies spawning one at a time with ridiculous HP. My f2p jinhsi with yuanwu can't even 3 star middle tower. Got too few astrites to even summon for multiple 5 star characters
"I could have a better investment" dude has Xiangli Yao with 80%crit rate 300 Crti dmg, and a Yinlin with 98% crit rate 270 crit dmg, yeah Rookie numbers, If you don't have that you are bad at the game.
I feel lucky having my Jinshi with 75 crit rate 244 crit dmg... honestly I feel insulted everytime this guy thinks he is "reliable"
Those weren't the actual stats, shorekeepers buff was active
@@Emmerld he is LITERALLY showing them in the selection screen so No Shorekeeper buffs nor shit like that he is just flexing si luck and calling you bad for it.
@@blazeman2419bruh, i wonder if you even play the game by saying this. The usual fulll double crit stats is 275/75 there's no way someone can get 90+/300+ stats is BUFFED by SK.
@@Himiii77 I didn't knew that SK gives you ONLY 5 (for 75 to get 80) crit rate I could swear it was 12.
Also I didn't knew SK could keep her buff in the SELECTION SCREEN, AFTER THE BATTLE IN TOA WAS ALREADY FINISHED.
@@Himiii77I did the calcs and it is possible to get 60.5%/(82.5%) crate and 299%/(255%) cdmg (5* 4 cost cdmg/crate mainstat [first instances are with cdmg mainstat and bracketed instances are with crate mainstat]) without the weapon.
However that’d require *perfect* dual crit stat rolls on all the echoes, so yeah it’s impossible to reach 300+ cdmg and 90+ crate without shorekeeper.
Bro's unrelatable with those insane stats
He should do an echo challenge where he has a set amount of wave plates to farm and what ever echos he can get with those wave plates he has to use! :P
I understand that this is a "skill check", but I think the complaint is that it feels predatory in a way that encourages players to purchase from the store.
Skill issue
Not a skill check. Its a wallet check. Also im not doing allat. I want to use my shorekeeper and then use my yinlin and then zhanli yao. Im not doing all this swap swap swap BS. Its not fun. I just want to see big rainbow numbers go brr.
no it just encourages u to use a certain type of character, the buffs ain’t directly for carlotta but any ice dps and to prevent u from using certain characters to make it more challenging, its endgame content and that exists for u to build up and challenge urself, giving u something to do, if it was truly predatory they would make dps out dmg each other which they dont and r on similar lvl to each other, ur still aint forced to pull anyone and the fact it gives low rewards just proves it more for those that want a challenge and content, rn its hard because lack of overall characters but in the future itll be a lot easier as u will have a bigger selection. if u want my opinion if u struggling to pass it then u either one choose to get better or two just leave it and only do the stages u can do and dont stress urself out
@@kaloyanivanov885 bro proves my point “ i want to use disadvantaged characters then complain why i cant beat it”
@@Zevassalc Why are they disadvantaged, genius? That's the point
The tempest spawn time is insanely long for whatever reason on this. Wastes like 8 to 10 seconds easily.
nope
It was around 5s. But i agree, it should by 0s in the first place
At least his thundering brother spawns immediately and you can damage him as soon as he appears. With Tempest we need to spare 5 secs for him to finish his entrance. Can't count how many times my Jinhsi full forte got wasted on his entrance due to bad timing
@@ernestorio3550 Same man, I was lucky that my Jinshi forte last long enough to do the skill. Pure luck
26:02 Alright, calm down now sasquatch. Not everyone has signature weapon on the main dps, not to mention best support for said dps.
That's what came to my mind too.
As a FTP, I can understand the pain of lacking signature weapon and best support for the DPS.
@s981318 my maxed out yao using 3 star gauntlet(4 star weapon performs similar) with s1r1 yinlin and shorekeeper s0 variation couldn't even do crap in this hazard zone.
@@waduhhfreeze9779 The 5 star gauntlet may stand a chance. And I am not dare to test it.🥲
This is still f2p friendly I saw someone in RUclips cleared the middle tower with spectro rover, sanhua and verina team and just using standard weapon banner and variation for verina. People just love to complain.
@@blue2115 What are the stats?
Is he good?
Well, it starts, boys and girls. People thought their favourite gacha is immune to it. Add more hp, narrow usable teams toward newer ones, add flying crownless. My favourite Genshin tactic. But its okay. We can still clear it, right?
lol, you can clear it with the buffed spectro rover, literaly the first free character you get int the game
You also guard break crownless use counter echoes. Of course your dps might be low atleast his not running around alot.
Some dude named julluestoo cleared this ToA with just rover, verina and sanhua.. and all of them are not that well equipped either.. yet he still cleared the tower, u guys just love to complain whatsoever
Its "not crazy" right now
but imagine a tower in a future where theres a % penalty for Spectro and Glacio dmg and then Crownless (innate Havoc resistance)
that just turns off half of your roaster and all of the S-tier dps we have right now
Middle tower HAS to come back to its previous state, elemental penalties are for side floors
Yeah we should take this seriously. Not every reset will have an incident where the boss res matches the stage res. Plus all the previous stage made it so you can use any team and they all get the same benefits where this stage wants you to use 2 certain element team
Hopefully they don't increase the debuffs, but 10% Res does NOT mean you're not gonna clear. It just means you'll deal a little bit less damage, meaning you have to play cleaner.
@@PenguinBaconPH but it's againts 10% of increase for the right attribute, which is already 20% difference, add on top of that the fact that previous affixes were 30% attribute damage increase so you technically have40% damage loss for the wrong attribute compared to previous towers
@@ashiqprio2485 this letssay they would have put AIX instead of i dont know crownless and now Spectro, havoc and electro teams wouldnt work and lets be honest saintontas stats on his characters are extremely good as well and he barely Manager
bro your yinlin is 98% crit 280% crit damage and XLY is 81%-311% MY GOD!!!
String master 50% or something crit rate buff is just that strong. Lol
EDIT: And with crit rate echo too I mean, either way string master just having such high crit rate makes comp building super easier.
That's actually just a thing with the tower, where if you finish a floor with shorekeepers ult maxed and active, the buffs will show up on screen even after clearing.
@@BladeSerph36% crit rate actually.
his stats is not possible that is with shorekeeper buffs
@@Voiddrifter725 sorry I forgot to tally up the crit rate echo too, either way stringmaster’s high crit rate enables far more room to build a good dps yinlin, maybe settle for 70 crit rate in favor of crit damage 4 cost echo, thanks to shore keeper padding the numbers.
And since we should have rover near or at max havoc waveband with 2.0, that should mean alongside the spectro razzle echo set, rover has the easiest means for BOTH thar forms to achieve 100% crit rate compared to all other characters, without the inclusion of 5 star limited waveband unit dupes.
Granted I’m a light spender technically who don’t chase duplicates intentionally.
Maybe once it’s back down to one new character a version I ‘could’ contemplate it, once I got jinshi’s signature weapon by the next phase and likely wont need changli’s signaturnjust yet.
I think it's not just the fact you have 10% resistance, it's also the fact you aren't getting the 30% buff that was on every prior tower. So everything could be totally neutral and it'd still be worse than before
I stopped playing the game around 1.2 and i could easily clear the tower full stars with my jingshi+yinlin team, but now i was barely able to do it after trying for hours and i even had to farm better echos to do cuz i didn't have double crit in 2 of my 5 echoes
This is a huge L take from you. You should be way more critical of this. Yeah it is fine that you wouldn't use Camellya on crownless or yinlin on the other side, but the resists make it much harder to use those characters on the sides you WOULD have used them on. It is way too early in the games life to do this and you shouldn't be defending it.
Think about it more. You barely fully cleared. The average upper end player still won't play as well as you. This is not a good thing for the game.
u know what else is too early
bitching about one tower out of three being scummy just because they want their new character to shine a bit better.
its at best one pull worth that you're missing out
and its only a problem if they continue on with this trend this is literally the first time they did and ppl are bitching like its the end of the world
how bout we save the bitching for when they make it trend which i doubt and which i will eat my word if it's wrong
When 4/6 top dps team can full clear with ease and the 2/6 can still full clear with tighter windows I think the games fine. I don't have jiyan or carlotta and my Jinshi/Camellya teams full cleared on mobile. If your a new player middle tower isn't even worth cause you get more rewards full clearing side towers with 2 teams.
@@nikkiree-j3k completely disagree with you here. Giving important constructive feedback EARLY and often is why this game is in such a good place right now to begin with.
@@pureilluzion did you manage to do this clear just like Saint did? With the resisted teams?
@@Breezemordus No cause my Yao cleared both side towers. And I tried camellya but her quick swaps are hard to pull off on mobile. Especially sanhua. Since I have to wait for the buttons to appear on my screen to negative edge, and not have immediate input after liberation.
If this is their way to make the game more "challenging" then I'm afraid we're currently watching this game cock a gun before it shoots itself in the near future.
Heck, I'm not even affected myself because my account has very good coverage but I can see how this affects others that aren't so lucky with their pulls.
Now do it without Shorekeeper, for those people who did not or was not able to pull for her.
Those who don't have SK is Doom tbh. Either go danjin solo or chixia solo
why would i do it without shorekeeper , not my fault u were not playing when she released lol , and it's still possible
verina? but i agree, without sk everything you can do is worse
@@woKenVFX he is not asking you dumb dumb. He is asking that youtuber to play without sk and thn try flexing😂 with verina
He was only able to clear the middle tower because he has sk and we do not. That's the difference ok dumb
At the end of day, maybe Kuro overtuned ToA, but its not even half a pull of astrite. Do not stress yourself over nothing. Escape the gacha brainrot. Your time and mental state aint worth that little. If its not fun just dont do it.
I agree
Yea it’s only a couple of pulls so let’s give them the green light to keep being more aggressive with these tactics. I’m sure they’d love that.
Pls don't rotate the hoyo talking points, its not about the asts, it's about clearing end game stuff
As a person who 36 star every Spiral Abyss since release, refuse to admit defeat 😡
I disagree, this is bullshit
Kuro really fucked up with this one. Everyone go to your surveys and tell the devs this is NOT COOL, at least they will listen and change it back unlike a certain other gacha open world rpg
😂 oh it’s actually hilarious how much you don’t realize these companies are barely any different. Gacha is gacha and gacha is scummy. You think they’re listening till they pull another stunt like this or don’t change it like you thought they would. Let go of your delusions.
@@zxlasher6910 I never said hoyo is the best now did I? Don’t go putting words in my mouth and making assumptions. Genshin’s improvements had nothing to do with Wuwa. The amount of times I’ve seen this point made is wild because it’s absolute copium. You really think Kuro making Pennie’s compared to what hoyo makes was enough of a threat that they made changes to the game? Absolutely not. A lot of the QoL that has come to Genshin recently was already in HSR and ZZZ. That’s where it came from. Not Wuwa. Let’s not defend the million dollar company now.
@@zxlasher6910 Both are chinese and tied to the CCP, they have no choice. It's a different flavor of shît.
@@TerraTheWise"let's not defend the million dollar company now"
Says the guy defending the billion dollar company instead
@@TerraTheWise Dawei May Cry 2
25:58 “these stats aren’t anything to write home about” you must not write home often mate, you content creators are completely out of touch. these echoes are far above average, and you’re barely clearing despite all the quick swap bs you’re doing. how is a normal player meant to handle this?
cuz they aint, they give so much materials, echos and cubes and yet u cant even come close to the stats they have? like they gave us over 50 echo boxes (like im pretty sure they gave at least over 500 boxes from last couple of patches too), exploring map, gave many cubes and the echo boss boxes + u can farm echo bosses FOR FREE, u dont need better or the same stats btw just similar + even then their characters wasn’t fully built. the tower is meant for end gamers not people who dont wanna grind and even then u can get tons of astrites from previous floor so u aint completely out of it especially when the higher floors dont even give much which states it more for people who ran out of content and wants a challenge, “but u just about made it” look at the amount of debuffs they had so imagine a team that didnt have such debuffs applied, u dont even need glacio unit or anything and they would clear with ease
Yea, just barely had 5 sec to spare to clear that tower with a full team of limited 5 stars with their signature weapons and a sequence…
New or f2p players aren’t going to have anywhere close to that, let alone the insane echo rng luck
doesn’t matter how many echoes you have to roll when they don’t give you enough xp materials to level them. you can spend 2 weeks just doing tacet fields for xp and get maybe 3 or 4 usable pieces out of it, and maybe one of them is an upgrade. no shit there’s plenty of echoes, but we’re all flat broke. not everyone is so lucky to get their echoes to roll more than 2 or 3 beneficial stats more than once a month. and even when we get the right stat lines they low roll.
@@UnusualEcho exactly. people have lives, I shouldn’t be barred from full clearing because I can’t spend several hours a day killing mobs in the overworld. not that doing that gives you the xp to level the echoes you get anyway.
@ u can craft and upgrade em and u can get em from anywhere wdym not enough when they give u tons have u just been wasting em or som, especially when u can use old bad echoes to lvl up new ones too, yh use tacets to get echoes and lvl mats so even more echoes for u right there, also u can buy em from the shop using useless in game currency, u basically get tons and if ur rlly a end game player which the tower is made for then u should have wayyy more than enough and u only rlly need 60% crit rate and 260% crit dmg minimum which is easy especially when u get a base of 150% crit dmg and around 20% more crit dmg/crit rate from lvling talents with weapon that give tons of crit/rate and then main echo itself giving tons of crit, even if u had bad luck i dont see how u cant even get 60/260 atm u can only achieve that by either being new or generally forcing urself its that impossible
Alright, here is my run as an f2p.
I used changli(S0 emerald R1) shorekeeper(variation), and yinlin(S1R1 luck) on crownless. It was a headache, damage barely enough even though all my units are maxed out with crownless trolling around during final 10s countdown(he's flying too much)
Carlotta(S0 static mist) not maxed talents and echoes, yinlin(same as before), and shorekeeper(same as before). On the electro opponents, it was tough, barely clear it on time.
This rotation clearly incentivize you to pull for zhezhi and carlotta, or having s0r1 unit to brute force it. F2ps are in shambles. Those who says it is easy either has carlotta, or an s0r1 unit that can brute force the bosses.
Nah bro u just bad at rolling good echoes totally not a purely rng based issue or anything. Nope, couldn't possibly be that.
@MysticLuka My changli stats are 77/261 without buffs from shorekeeper, 89/286 with buffs from shorekeeper. All echoes has double crits even shorekeeper has all double crits, so does carlotta, yinlin. What bad echoes?
@@waduhhfreeze9779 I was memeing, not referring to you specifically but the common issue most players will face being shitty echo luck. I'm trying my best to get my Carlottas echos to double crit baseline but still not quite there.
@@MysticLuka i almost went insane getting carlotta's new set cause my old glacio set is not her best in slot
@@waduhhfreeze9779 ain't no way u got double crits alredy in new set wtf?? I'm getting f*ed with my rng here 💀🗿
This new TOA is so hard i gave up and decided to wait till i finish building my carlotta (this is coming from a guy whos been comfortably 30starring for the last few patches)
Edit: I full cleared it last week with carlotta
Me too but I think I can do I just don't have jinshi right now
So left one is hard
it was pretty easy ngl i just dont have enough characters built to do the 3rd one of the 6 star levels
Bro I can only do 22 because I can't do quickswap that fast. Now it's harder!?
My Encore kinda washed the middle tower 😁 I found it quite easy, as long as ur not using Electro or Havoc dps ur fine
No wonder the Middle Tower feels harder to clear using the usual team.
Thank you very much for the Video lol, some people, like me, go blindly into tower and confused why its harder, thanks to Saint it's explained clearly .
Will retry it later.
I feel the same issue 😢 before I can 30/30 now I can't fill 30/30 anymore
this would've been alright in the future where there's way more roster to choose from, but with the game being this young, we are still very limited in what we can use, except for whales.
This !!!
We just hit the milestone of having limited dps' for each element, yet they decide to pull this for middle tower. If this were made when we have a bazzilion of teams to choose from then fine, but we as of now just barely have enough comp variations to work around with. Shorekeeper and Verina are always busy, now Zhezhi is torn between Jinhsi or Carlotta comps. Only Yao and Carlotta had a dedicated premium sub dps that synergize 100% with their kit. Changli who has to be played dual dpd quickswap because her output is bad at hypercarry, and lastly Jiyan who's glued to Mortefi.
@toefu6182 Now THIS is the real problem, not whatever tf everyone else is complaining about. This tower is fine, it just came too early. This is literally how PGR's Pain Cage and Warzone works, enemies have much higher HP but lower resistance against a certain element that counteracts the HP increase, the only difference is that Wuwa doesn't have the same amount of characters that PGR has.
Agreed. Especially for gacha games most people roll for design/personalities instead of using it for the purpose of clearing game content.
I still cleared the middle tower with camellya and xiangli yao, because i didn't read and thought: "oh all the element are on display so all elements are buffed"... Makes sens now
Honestly without their signature weapon's, it's definitely not possible seeing how Saint only cleared it with only 5 seconds and 0.xx seconds left respectively
@@JinWoo.. Its easy if you got both 5 star char. that are for each other even without their sig weapon, but if for ex. Carlotta you don't have Zhezhi you need to pull for her weapon, hence you need to prioritize what you want in the game, more char. to play with or focus min-maxing 1 char. i cleared the 1st middle tower with Jinhsi with taoqi and yuanwu and yes only Jinhsi is level 90 + with sig, just barely.
Cleared the 2nd middle tower with Carlotta with Sig and good enough echo stats with all lvl skills 7 while liberation 8, with Sanhua and SK.
@@haruusami1831 I meant you can't clear middle tower with electro or havoc characters without their signature weapons like Camellya and Xiangli. And yea you can definitely clear the side Towers with any character without signature as long as you have a good team
@@JinWoo.. Ah didn't read the OP comment properly but yeah true not possible without sig, but honestly don't bother fighting X boss that is resistant to X element etc.
As someone who plays on mobile, this TOA sucks ass no matter what you say.
Playing on mobile sucks ass.
fr, still cleared it but that was so fucking hard
@@Squashua2727Better then not playing at all ig
yea i got 30 stars with only level 1 4* chars but it still sucked
I beat it on mobile several times.
the damage decrease and hp buff to the boss without giving players a LITTLE more time is very bad imo but knowing kuro depending on how we react they will not do things like this anymore
As much as I like WuWa, this toa update which precisely tuned for Carlotta's kit to presumably to boost her banner sale is a bit stinky. Jenazad and/or fobmaster brought it up in previous Gacha podcast and I disagree with them back then but what they said came true.
Yes we can still clear it but I personally don't like this trend moving forward. It just creates ammo/point for people to condemn the game.
I got Carlotta but no zhezhi, can't clear the damn tower
I had Carlotta with signature and also i got zhezi but can't use them i need to farm echo and upgrade first. But i already cleared toa. Point is if you got the latest chars still you will not use them in toa for atleast 12-13 days bec you need to build them.
they have always done this the hazard tower buff is always based on the new character
you can do it with spectro rover and standard 5*, you dont even need a banner character
During Jiyan banner 1.0, they buffed Aero; for Jinhsi, they buffed Spectro; for Changli, they buffed Fusion, same as XLY, Camellya, and Carlotta. Why they did not complain about this during previous patches? Because the buffs benefited them, lol. Players who only had 2 type DPS units (free XLY and 2 best Havoc DPS, Camellya and Rover) could easily clear ToA. Now, however, they’ve realized they need one more DPS
kurogames slowly turning the pve of wuwa into PGR pve
Yeah the phantom cage is much more difficult then this
@@pauljerome01thing is, in PGR you can choose your resonances, and getting both characters AND kits is much easier.
You can also SS any character without doing double pull
Source: a F2P Babel try-hard
They are not mad at the TOA, they mad at Crownless.
Yeah, crownless often interrupted my carlotta movements, while I was hitting with resonance liberation. Memphis too is annoying but it's more affordable.
Get her to s6, and they won't move an inch while you're in the middle of your liberation cast@@david_connors7031
lucky for me that i beat crownless, im stuck at floor 2 because of the waves.
@@david_connors7031 I won't say he is easy but people are already beating him with spectro Rover and 4 stars, I got 3 stars but I have an unrealistic luck with my polls an got every limited character and most weapon
Saintontas is the guy who will still defend Kuro even if they showed up to his house and robbed him lmao. The simple fact is we just had Yinlin and Camellya banners, people finally finished building those characters, and now they are being not able to use them in the Tower or face issues while facing them, when earlier u could use anyone in middle tower. How is this hard to understand its common sense
God, how people love to make tragedy out of little things. You can't use Camellia in only 2 stages out of 10, Yinlin in 1 out of 10, because it's just the bosses of their elements, it doesn't depend on resistances.
This is still f2p friendly I saw someone in RUclips cleared the middle tower with spectro rover, sanhua and verina team and just using standard weapon banner and variation for verina. People just love to complain.
waaa i can't turn my brain off and beat all content anymore waaaaaaa
@@dremorio The stages you stated are also the stages that matter the most since they are the hardest. I think it is enough to have resistances on the enemies, but having inbuilt resistances alongside it so you cannot use previous characters who's banners were just rolled out is crazy work.
@@dremorioMy brother, THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IT BEGINS TO SPIRAL DOWN. We CANNOT let this shit slide just because 'isn't too bad and could be worse', THE PREVIOUS TOWER WAS PLAIN BETTER. AND THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY *NO REASON* FOR THEM TO CHANGE IT. The WHOLE idea of the middle tower was to be a general tower where you could use anyone both from your old and new roster and ALL are viable, but now the underperforming characters underperform EVEN MORE, and it limits the roster you can use. NOT EVERYONE HAS PERFECT ROLLS. NOT EVERYONE HAS LIMITED 5* AND THEIR SIGS. If we don't hold Kuro accountable now it might turn into Genshin 2.0, the same way people haven't held them accountable back then just because the things 'weren't too bad and could be worse'. Wanna know something? LITTLE THINGS ADD UP OVER THE YEARS.
Don't defend the predation. Never support bad design.
the only problem i had with TOA is some bosses have intro animations that are invulnerable. i do hope they start the time when they are vulnerable.
I get it when he says that he's characters aren't that invested in. But can we talk about the crit ratio? 98/280 yinlin ? 80/310 xiangliao? Bro got almost max proc in all his echo
Its shorekeeper buff that lingers after you clear a tower stage and then check your units
@@ZekryuuuSK gives 12.5% crit rate and 25% crit dmg, remove that and the characters are still cracked. My Zhezhi is my most cracked unit stats wise, 70/280% crits with her signature. So I'm pretty sure all his chars have their sig weapon.
My XYao has the standard gauntlet and his stats are 64/238% crit stats... and I think he has double crits on all his echoes. And he SUCKS in this TOA, even with Yinlin and Shorekeeper. Sure, I'm not that skilled, but it shouldn't be THAT BAD.
@@Max15691 yeah this guy is pretty disingenuous on his take, glossing over how much investment his main dps characters had to have to barely full clear both stages on the middle tower.
@@kennymourat6937 Just checked, what he meant by that was Character's skill level. A lot of his skills were level 5.
Video Conclusion: ToA is not predatory at all and does not force you to get the new character, just spend $100~$200 per DPS and Sub DPS to get their respective signature weapons 😁👍
I found it quite funny that you showed the weapons you were using on all Support and Sub DPS and did not show the weapon of any DPS lmao
The game gives enough pulls to get a character and a signature every other patch even with lost 50/50. I have 0$ spent and all of my 5* except for Yao (I didn't roll for him) have sig weapon. Won a couple 50/50's but lost most of them
Wuwa actually gives weapon-only pulls each patch tho. And unlike in games like genshin or hsr, the weapon banner is 100% so its much easier to pull one.
I didnt spend anything on the game aside from the monthly (like 4 times) and I still got weapons for every character I pulled (Jinhsi, Yao (free, so just weapon), Yinlin rerun, Carlotta) except Zhezi. And the subdps dont need their weapons at all. You can use some 4* (or sometimes 3*) weapon instead. Preferably the one that boost concerto gain.
On my Jinhsi I literally used a lvl 1 yuanwu with 3* weapon to clear most tower bosses, and then add Verina (lvl 60, some random 4* weapon, not even the concerto gain one) for the last few.
they didnt mess up, it was deliberate and their intentions and a sneaky way to tell you, go pull carlotta and spend money. as much as i like the game, it deserves to be called out as such
This is still f2p friendly I saw someone in RUclips cleared the middle tower with spectro rover, sanhua and verina team and just using standard weapon banner and variation for verina. People just love to complain.
u don't need carlotta to clear sorry to say that to you
@@woKenVFX i never said you need her, im saying thats the message theyre sending to the average player who wont be able to, is that clearer ?
@@ChomskysGaming average player? this is endgame content , your clearly need to have a few dps characters build to clear this and have some game knowledge
@@blue2115 once again, i never said you need her, or cant clear without her, im saying its predatory and its sending a message that most agree with (including saint in this video), to the average player who don't know how to play 100% optimally, or don't play all day everyday, and deserves to be called out.
i dont love to complain, its called criticism, i want the game to be better and less predatory than it already is by virtue of being a gacha game to begin with, because i love it. no need to take a critique of it as an attack on you or the game, its just a video game
even i am not happy with it it feels like there's alot of hp inflation
Seems like hp inflation is everywhere
@@Condensed_rock That's gacha Endgame in a nutshell
Its either the boss one shot you like the hologram or HP inflation bud
Do we really have HP inflation? I'm just curious because my clear time middle tower Crownless with Jiyan/Mort/Verina is 58s, almost the same as previous ToA
There is. I think it's poor practice, but not surprising :(
I think that the core problem here is that in previous iterations, you could compensate damage you lacked with skill, but in this one, you are obliged to play perfectly in order to barely do it (doing 30/30 until now, and i can say that this was the one i thought i wouldnt be able to do it, middle towers with 3 stars with .4 seconds left and .7 seconds left, after 7 retries. used jiyan team with 75/288 s0r1)
Tbh I honestly I feel like this really limits F2P's and new players more than players who've been around for couple of patches. I know this is an endgame mode but if they wanted to make it more of an endgame mode they should have created a separate endgame mode.
I don't like this change at all, it's not a really big bad thing but no a problem is a problem, a bad implementation is a bad implementation. Make sure to express opinions about this in the surveys guys.
You are right.
It's still weird for some "veterans" because for example my 3 built teams are all electro/havoc, what am I supposed to do ;_;
because new players aren't supposed to clear the towers, it's end-game for a reason.
@@abra2133 I guess I overlooked that possibility xD
@@f.b.l.9813 Well if they want to make things harder they should not add artificial difficulty like resistance increase. Anyways middle towers were hard enough already, also this is a predatory practice as well since they are reducing glacio resistance to better sell the new active banner character Carlotta.
Homeboy acting like Changli is the Amber of Wuwa LOL.
Come one bro, have u seen your Xiangli Yao ? Your Camellya ? Your YinLin ? The stats are crazy. We dont have those....
did you maybe consider this is an "endgame" mode?
@@vaniavampy Did you maybe consider than neither in past ToA nor in current if you play "right" character you never needed such stacked characters?
Those weren't the actual stats, was shorekeepers buff
@@Emmerld How does sk buff them on character selection?
@@almight9021 Her ult. Even after the fight finishes, the buffs linger until the timer properly runs out
You proved this is shit having to pass the tower with absolutely cracked DPS (double crit echoes obviously) with their signature weapons. The only team that worked for me in the middle tower was Jihnsi (wich is weaker than yours), Zhezhi, Shorekeeper. My Jihnsi has Jiyan's weapon, not bad, my Zhezhi has her signature, and Shorekeeper is Shorekeeper, she doesn't need much investment to have all her buffs doing great work (mine has a 3 star weapon).
chixia or aalto can clear it bro
@cheezy9307 I don't have Aalto built, but my Chixia is half built. Before this patch she was able to solo the side towers up to floor 3 with ease. Sometimes get one dorito on floor 4.
Not anymore... only floor 1 is easy, and for the others I need some kind of support from other characters.... in one patch, and like what... 7 months since the game's release? (I got her the standard pistols just yesterday, and will invest more on her because I like her. Maybe with 70/250-270% crit stats she can be a really good DPS, her dodge counters are really strong). Even worse, the debuff is against the limited characters from the LAST PATCH. My point is, this is scummy behaviour from Kuro, it's the same shit as Genshin, don't defend it, I guess that would be my point for Saintontas.
have built my characters to to at least 8/10 but still I only was able to clear one stars on the red TOA, I guess double crit echo sets to a lot, since I mostly have single crit substats for my echoes
@@Max15691 you literally said toa need crack DPS with double crit echos with signature.. while I say, you don't need all of that because even 4 star chixia alto danjin can solo clear and danjin literally get domain nerf.. you literally have one of the top DPS and her premium team bro.. at this point just get good bro... Yes the tower buff is for carlotta but you don't need her to clear it bro
@@cheezy9307 And I still claim that. When I look at those solo runs guess how are they built? With a crit rate/dmg weapon and double crit echoes, how am I wrong? I know Chixia's potential (never used Aalto or Danjin), I play her quite a bit, she's fun and now I finally have a good weapon for her, and like I said, I used to be able to solo up to floor 3 on both side towers.
I kinda want to get Zani and Phoebe (so I don't know if I'll have enough resources)... hopefully they won't be done dirty like Camellya, XY and Yinlin getting a debuff in the toa right after their patch!! And I just pulled Yinlin, and I can't use her to her full potential with my XY? (Got fairly lucky with the echoes, so she's decently built, and I borrow Zhezhi's weapon for better stats).
Still, you completely missed my point and told me to Git Gud, read my comment again, it's pretty clear... same shit as Genshin, and it pisses me off, I had enough of that crap and I don't want WuWa to do the same. Stalling bosses, bullshit resistances and dmg sponges, they'll later add stupid annoying mechanics to keep making this thing as annoying as possible instead of a test of how good a team is. At least keep everything neutral, just the typical enemy resistances, and buff some of their HP compared to the overworld bosses, because those are weak.
For pure skill test there's the holograms, that's my go to for testing my reflexes, counters, dodges, etc.
I've seen across the board from Hoyoverse and now Kuro raising difficulty to make it significantly difficult to use characters you invested on vs facilitating it significantly in favor of the new characters. I do understand that its a Gacha game but what makes me consider to not drop another penny in these games is basically the fact that your investment in the game is undermined in every single patch that comes afterwards and you know that clearing endgame is not going to be fun from that point forward. Happend in current Abyss in genshing, Memory of chaos on Honkai Star Rail and basically across the board on that game and now this. Its kind of nuts if you ask me. I understand the need for some people that the game has some sort of difficulty but invalidating your investment in the game is not the way TBH.
Western debuff so strong it's even bleeding into double crit sub stat echos
this TOA is not comparable to the TOA where Scar got his first introduction lmao, that TOA was such a pain
TOA hazard is starting to become Overdrive zone
I'm a FTP player and for the recent ToA reset I've used the following:
Xiangli Yao/Yinlin/Shorekeeper on the left side
Jinhsi/Taoqi/Yuanwu on the middle
Camellya/Sanhua/Verina on the right side
Imo the current ToA is not as bad as people are saying, and also think that it is not as challenging as before.
When I started clearing the tower on reset, it just felt like another day of free ToA asterites; clear the lower floors, spend a few minutes doing the rotations properly, claim the rewards after. Browsing reddit after that is the only time I found out how the community felt about it.
for F2P having Yinlin Shorekeeper Jinhsi and Camellya is a lot tbh
same for me. Im F2P and pretty much just cleared it after the TOA reset just for asterites. My lineup basically same like you but i do have Zhezhi so it pretty much helped me a lot in the middle tower. Once i open the reddit like "woah.. ppl hate this TOA reset that much ig"
You just factored in luck. Not reading all of that lmao.
@@MiselatisIt's not even that long.
Looks like FTP is viable. That's great!
The more I see this video the more I realize how important Shorekeepers S1 is. Shorekeepers S1 for example enables Xiangli Yao to execute his 3 Hypercubes consistently before swapping back to Shorekeeper. Also having Red Spring instead of Emerald of Genesis really helps with Camellya dmg.
people sleep on the duration extension of S1 on shorekeeper. I remember people reviewing S1 shorekeeper and saying the duration extension was the least useful part. Imo every part of her S1 is very good and it synergies with her S2
I have agreed on most of Saints takes on wuwa (except on the b-roll one, that was crazy 💀), but gotta say, this one feels disingenuous...
On the gacha podcast, Saint defended ToA when compared to other gachas late-game modes by explaining how wuwa doesnt really limit you on what characters to use on the middle tower, and is always explaining how you only really need 2 main dps well built to clear ToA, while other gachas like hoyo ones always horseshoes you into using 2-3 specific elements, yet now that WuWa joined them on that model, suddenly "its not a big deal" and "you were not using them anyways"...
What about ppl that only have 2 main dps built? Or that invested heavily on thunder or havoc teams? All of this while keeping in mind that XY was given for free + just rerun alongside his best support, and that everybody and their mother pulled for Camelya...
Most ppl dont have several different fully built teams (I do, but I understand that the vast mayority of the player base doesnt)
I think having the boss being naturally resistant to this elements was enough, there was no further need to discourage the use of this units as they already where playing at a disadventage
We all love WuWa and want it to be the best it can be, so thats why I think we should be firm here and call kuro out.
They are allowed to make mistakes, shit happens, but if we dont let them know this is not cool, they will keep pushing on this and we will end up having hoyo end-game modes, which nobody wants
For me ToA is boring if they still follow that route. I want more hard end game outside of ToA, even with RC0R1 i feel the boss die too quickly.
If you only had 2 dps you're not supposed to clear everything with them, there will be something to counter it so you need to level up other characrer.
Back in 1.0 i cant even full clear ToA until 1.1 Jinhsi came out and totally fine with it. Because be able to easily clear it in 1 patch for an end game mode is bad design.
@bachkhoi9450 thats not my point tho, im not talking on whether end-game should stay the same or not, all im saying is Saint opinion here seems disingenous and contrary to previous opinions he had about the mode (see his points on the gacha podcast about ToA, then compare them with what he says here)
I agree end-game needs to keep being improved on, but i dont see how the new tower solves the problem you talk about, bosses still die fairly quickly, its just they force you out of using some characters.
All that being said, I do think end-game needs to keep improving, but i think they should Focus on a new mode with more restrictive team-building to complement ToA, rather than just transform ToA.
At the end of the day, most ppl who watch someone like Saint like you and I, we may think end-game is lacking, but the vast mayority of the player base of the game finds It too dificult and cant clear it, so thats something to keep in mind too
@@alvaropive yeah i understand that, i still remember when they nerfed Scar because people called him too difficult. Not going to supprise if they do it again but somehow i kinda hate it when major are casual people.
For new end game mode they can give fair astrite to most people who want it while still doing something for people who love challenges (like badges as reward or something)
Saintontas I watched the video and I still think this change is bad as now the fights don't feel "fair" and you also check that this iteration of toa hasn't been cleared with using 4 star char which was possible earlier
And I am sure your xly and camellya has their sig which a lot of ppl Don't have and it feels like kuro took 2 steps backwards in their endgame department
Some people say they need to do this to earn money but why do they have to make money on the expense of my enjoyment? They can sell skin for that
I hope that people will add in their feedback to change toa back to the previous versions.
Wuwa attracts a lot of players who want to try endgame but this doesn't feel nice
This is still f2p friendly I saw someone in RUclips cleared the middle tower with spectro rover, sanhua and verina team and just using standard weapon banner and variation for verina. People just love to complain.
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@blue2115 dude spectro rover can do that bcz there is no spectro res increase
You missed my point
@@satyamgupta5746 missed what point , ppl cry about them not having characters to clear the tower , that's literally every comment under this video
@@woKenVFX the point is the carefully selected elemental res
No matter how much you defend it, this toa is a downgrade to the previous ones and difficulty is artificially increased
Who the hell vouched for a harder ToA??? @28:52
They say they also increased HP of enemies which is balls
I genuinely take issue with promoting the idea that "it's okay because S0S1 characters can clear with less than a second remaining." The vast majority of players don't even pull signature weapons or likely only have one or two on their entire account if they were playing since launch. And the 4 star weapon situation is depressing. It's just out of touch.
L take.
i agree, dude is just showing weapons for sub dps but not the main dps which most of the damage comes from, judging into the crit ratio it seems most of his main-dps are using signature weapons
jinhsi, carlotta, and jiyan are needed for this TOA reset. You're cooked if you don't have any of them for the tower.
Jinhsi or Spectro Rover for the first tower, literally ANYTHING but Xiangli Yao, Yinlin and Camellia for the middle tower, and Changli or Xiangli Yao for the third tower
ToA literally always stinks why more people don't quit it is beyond me, like it doesn't even have good reset mechanics you need to restart and the bottom of the steps 🤦
Buffing specific characters is fine even if they're the "banner characters" (Reruns etc of the same elements.) It gives you an edge if you just get them. You'll probably be more skilled and have better gear with older chars that if you have to use them it's fine. It may not be AS fast but it's still usable.
The resistances ON TOP of the inherit mob resistances is dogsh!t. There is no reason to do this and it can only come back later to bite you in the ass once they start adding more actual mechanics and time waste things while leaving the timer the same. It may not be hard now but it can't add anything good so why have it? Don't open the door to garbage you don't need.
Wuwa's running towards their star rail arc
It's just the tower, is that really a big deal?
@thienthien7765 it isn't an *micro* nerf to all characters, it's pretty significant. Now specific/newer characters are going to be more valuable than others.
Ppl are dumb asf when it comes to companies. It feels almost like politics. If they do something you like, some will try to erase all of their mistakes. It's cringe bro. Kuro/Hoyo want your money, not your love.
@@thienthien7765 In Star rail it's Just MoC as Well.
Pure fiction became more easy with the latest update and apocalyptic Shadow isn't much harder as Well.
@@auua43oh no my 1 pull every 2 week is lock behind skill issue and lack of investment, i should definitely pull for the new character
chillax buddy it's not that deep its only 1pull every 2 week and its the first time they did a tower like this so their shiny new character can pop off a bit again for 1pull its not like this is the 5th or six time in a row they did it for the 1st time
like i said before, they put alot of attention on the general game with story etc. now they can show us that they can fix more/better endgame which is needed
i am fully confident that endgame will get focused on through out 2.1-2.4 , with the evidence that showed how much work they put down on the 2.0 update which we all appreciated
so keep giving feedbacks on Toa and endgame in general, because we all know that they can do it
Jeez these stats are putting all my builds to shame
I cannot beat the first 30 in NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM! It's impossible! I have good gear and even some good characters and weapons but i dont have Carlotta and this ToA clearly wants us to use her for either the middle or the right one... I hate it
BTW 98/280% crit rate Yinling with 140% ER... I woudn't say that's not impressive.
that's normal
@@woKenVFX all double crit high rolls is not normal. ccs make you think fully optimized echoes are the baseline, for the vast majority of the player base they’re not.
How is not, my 3 DPS have all double crit cause I farm for it, sometimes it's harder to achieve sometimes is easier
@@giovanni1166 you missed high crit rolls. Having 6.3 crit is not the same as having 10.5 crit
I think they should've focused on making the ToA buff/debuff more toward mechanics like dodge and parry instead of elemental attributes. Like, if you dodge a parryable attacks, your stamina will cost half of your full stamina or bosses' def will increase for, let's say, 3-5 seconds. And if you manage to parry, your attack will increase, etc. It will make ToA will be based on players' skill rather than characters collection.
Camellya mains crying in the corner after this one.
Nah , this TOA change is a big deal if not address as commenters say "it will get worse like HSR", so I hope they change this to the last buff they put to make all teams viable on the middle floor.
idk why, but my Encore have started to deal less damage(about 10-15% loss) even against enemies that dont have fusion res. I didnt switch her weapon or echoes, so I think they have increased all resistances for all enemies in tower, cuz outside the tower my Encore still deals her full damage.
people in the comments need to learn the meaning of end game, end game means you need to be built to your best, and need multiple builds. this goes for most games, there are far bigger issues with tower like bosses that fly artificially ruining your speed, boss intros cutting your time, ect ect. yes it was a close clear but it was close without a maxed team and without good play. towers are in a pretty good spot for difficulty just needing a couple tweaks.
His Sanhua still did 17k, and if she didn't crit or had less dmg, he would not have cleared it. It was indeed too close for comfort, and to do even better, no misplay and stronger sub dps (or whale).
Blud is mad he can’t use Changli
idk why but i actually completed this toa faster than the previous one
Ppl well build with alot of dmg bonus on their Echo wil clear faster because of -res buff them more than 30% dmg bonus . Ppl with less dmg bonus will feel harder because 30 dmg bonus better than -res for them 😅
People just noticing this now? LOL
This is always the case since like 1.2, when they buff electro for Xiangli Yao and put more spectro block for Jinshi.
This was expected, they made ToA accessible in 1.x since our accounts were new and we didn't have enough units yet. it was bound to get tough similar to MoC in HSR.
We don't want wuwa to become "have this team and win" like hsr. It's supposed to be a combat focused game where you don't just blindly do your rotation and beat everything.
@@ashiqprio2485 saint already proven you can use whatever team to use at middle tower 💀
@@CrowUIO do you think most players will be as skilled as him, these are gacha players we are talking about😅. Bro even had their sig with 80/300 crit ratio and he barely cleared it with xiangli yao and camellya with those builds and others had like 30 to 20s remaining
@@ashiqprio2485there are many youtuber did with 4star chars only. They might buff the toughness but still many chars can clear it
@@ashiqprio2485 skill issue then 🤣🤣🤣
for now it's crownless with 10% additional havoc resistance, in a year it's gonna be crownless with 40% additional glacio and electro dmg res
Fun fact. Jinshi zhezhi can nuke all toa floores, except the spect res ones
And thats whiteout a sup.
resistance to chars we just pulled feels bad man.
one thing id say about your chars is, yes talent could be raised a bit more but what makes a bigger difference is the echoes, for example my s0r1 camellya has about 400 less atk and 35% less cdmg, and thats not an easy thing to make up with the multiple layers of rng the echo systems has. so average joe is gonna have a harder time.
It feels bad with S6 Camellya she's struggle to clear it and I'm doing double skill activation and Shorekeeper's end intro.
I easily cleared Crownless with Carlotta S1 it's too much nerf for her.
We are getting stronger and stronger every update. So it is natural that it gets harder. You can clear the middl tower with Verina, Spectro Rover with the new eternal radiance set and Sanhua. We are getting even more materials etc to build more characters and people still complain...Kuro wants you to build more teams for each element like it is in PGR. This is not a Hoyo game!!!!
bro had a yinlin 98/300 and xiao 80/300 and barely cleared it lmfao no shot for the avg person lol
Shorekeeper buff
@@Emmerlddidn't know sk could buff them on character selection screen
@@almight9021 its a bug that happens when you use SK in TOA
@@Emmerld Sk buff 12.5% cr 25% cdm, his characters are still cracked.
@@Gojiradogzillagodzillajust get double crit on every echoes not that hard
I understand forcing comps to sell units but not the literally previous patch units. So why even bother getting charlotta if she gonna be nerfed next patch middle tower
seriously though you are not gonna bother not getting a character just because she might get debuff on the next red TOA. Like you do know the following TOA will get different debuffs every other reset.
I think it is a bit ridiculous to not a get a character due to that. the logic is quite lacking like they are gonna permanently nerf them in the toa lol,
We need a new end game game mode and ToA is in my opinion ass and needs some type of change I don't Luke how it forces me to build characters I don't wanna build
I've been playing around with the previous iterations of ToA with the whacky team of Encore/Changli/Bhaizhi for the theoretical scenario where I couldn't use Verina or Shorekeeper for whatever reason, normally I'm able to clear both middle towers and either 4th side floors (assuming no fusion-resistant enemies), but this middle tower was way way harder to get the clear.
I did manage to beat Heron with Camellya/Sanhua/Shorekeeper tho.
The thing that bothers me most is how annoying the middle tower 2nd floor is with that 2 stage elite enemies before the actual boss, but that started way before this iteration.
Saint, let's be honest here, your Yao and Yinlin stats are not relatable for the average player. 😂 Personally, I loved that the middle tower stopped being neutral - really forced me to move teams around. Gonna be a nightmare for new players though with less teams and/or main DPS built.
I think I would definitely agree that the direction they are taking with ToA could be problematic. It is starting to feel like more of a unit check.
PGR has that too but as a f2p it makes players eventually learn where to invest their resources if they really want to clear those stages. Especially for the ones that started the game later, since most likely people who had been playing since the start probably have the well built characters and good echo sets that will be able to clear these anyways.
Casual players also don't even really bother with TOA too much.
Dont let kuro feel too powerful, they could end up as same as hoyo
This is still f2p friendly I saw someone in RUclips cleared the middle tower with spectro rover, sanhua and verina team and just using standard weapon banner and variation for verina. People just love to complain.
what are you saying lil bro maybe don't look in the mouths of wuwa countent creators clickbaiting you , this tower was as easy as the other ones lmao.
@@blue2115 dude, you posting this under every comment. Not everyone have same skill ok? I seen solo Sanhua clears, but it doesn't mean everyone can do the same.
@treyfolkmen7942 or maybe don't be braindead when playing the end game? or don't play it at all and just enjoy the other aspects of the game like exploration and story
@@blue2115 Why you so toxic bro? Chill
Conclusion of this vid: I should EoS with my handicapped XlY Yinlin Baizhi and Chixia Changli SRover teams, gg. Hail the blades
I love how you reality check everyone with that changli part. Changli quickswap is the most powerful team in this game. I could clear middle tower in less than a minute but seeing changli quickswap gameplay I can confidently say, thank goodness I chose Jinhsi over Changli a few months ago. 😂
The fact that the only fully built damage dealing characters i have are camelya, havoc rover and xi-yao make this even worse. (other than those i only have a lv70 encore and a non built charcoaleo [who's also an electro dps] )
Yeah, my most invested is Xiangli
Now we wait for a character that decreases enemy resistances
Saint but I thought we was so engrained in toxic positivity and never criticized our beloved game. 😢
My issue wirh tower is that:
You need 3 teams.
Vigor.
Too many resistances.
Feels alot like HI3rd's abyss type nonsense at extreme level [in hi3rd happens an abyss like but it's horrible. Starts at easy but then ramps up which happens if too many people in the server clears. So you NEED to get on the second the abyss resets to get through all 20 levels. Otherwise you have 0 luck clearing past level 2]
Personally i avoid the abyss like. It's not worth the headache and i dont enjoy being forced to build characters and wasting resin on units i dont like when the resin cost of 40 and 60 dont feel worth it... like level 70 weekly is 2 drops while lv 80 is 3 but the difficulty spike is huge without completed units.. 40 resin for 80k shells vs 120 in genshin. Or 40 resin for the dedicated talent drops that barely give any golds...
3 teams wouldnt be an issue.. if i was allowed to use those 3 teams however much i want without the vigor bs... can easily copy genshins way of abyss without making it frustrating..
You don't need 3 teams you can clear floor 1 to 3 with 1 or two pg
It's all fun and games until the characters you most invested into are electro -__-
As a lucky ass f2p player i used jinhsi verina yuanwu/changli on the hazard tower and then used xly and camellya on the rest with sk
I was one of those who complained about it on the post💀. I finally beat it using my newly built carlotta(s0r1) with yang²(s6 with r2 standard sword) and shorekeeper(s0r0 variation at r3). Barely won it with 3 seconds left. Carlotta hard carried me on this one.
you mean you 3 starred it? cause clearing this is not really the problem but more so are you able to clear it in time to get all the rewards.
barely clearing it on time with their signature weapons, can you imagine the people who don't pull weapons and are forced to use this games terrible 4 stars.
Genshin would never do that kuros getting greedy now
Huh? Genshin has been doing it for far too long. Every abyss favours the on banner characters lol.
/s
you can do as many good things as you want, but make ONE mistake and the haters will call you "greedy"...
@@Voiddrifter725Genshin gives buffs to banner characters through abyss blessings to incentivize pulling them. They don’t increase enemies resistance to certain elements making other characters straight up do way less damage.
@@TerraTheWise LOL/
but they can make enemies immune and some enemies just make u need to use special wep for them or element. and also in current abyss u have enemy with 70% hydro res and then boss that needs hydro to break shield and then wolf that needs geo if u cant one phase him in 15sec window and flying around with 200% res to all element first 15 secs. and should i tell u about second half with that natlan boss of current abyss and previous abysses with must have geo to break shields and hydro boss that oneshots?
tell me where im wrong
The updated tower ad feels like punishing gray raven vibes 🗿
42 seconds ago is crazy
2 mins ago is crazy
I really appreciate this video, I haven't even looked at the new reset yet but I feel like this has now prepared me for it to some degree!