The only thing i don't like is the added elemental resistance ... the rest? Disagree....It means they were artificially over-inflating our characters' damage in the first place and sought to return the characters strengths back to how it should've been in the first place.
remember when scar so hard they have to nerf it . right now reduce damage people still crying so I don't think they will make the boss harder if casual still can't get good
I got 29/30 after trying so many different teams but I give up now and here is my conclusion: -I dont care about the increased resistance of enemies in middle tower (I got 5/6 in middle thats where I am missing) - The first problem is why do we have to wait for boss to spawn???? While we wait timer still goes on and I think it is ridiculous cause we cant damage them. - Second problem I have is everyone in the tower has some sort of teleport I've been chasing every goddamn boss like I am chasing some chickens. -Thirs problem I had is that they all spawn One by one in the second stage I could beat them If first two discord spawned together Thank you for reading ❤
- change/shuffle your team rotation/team composition. - even the bosses/mobs are spawning slowly, you can still damage them as they appear. - adjust your FPS. Sometimes that's the issue. - how's your stats by the way?
@@mourningprudence I tried with couple of different teams such as - Jinshi/verina/Yuanwu and I got 2 stars with them because of they all spawn separately and my jinshi stacks wasnt enough. My jinshi has jiyans sig weapon 72/300 Then I tried with my Jiyan team -Jiyan/mortefi(s6)/shorekeeper and this one was so funny because I couldn't keep up with the bosses teleports so jiyan neither did damage or any energy back. Jiyan has his sig weapon 62/312 -Camellya/Sanhua(s6)/Shorekeeper Honestly I don't know how this team couldn't clear it in time perhaps my camellya doesn't have enough damage She has Emerald of genesis 69/280 -Carlotta/Taoqi/Shorekeeper MY CARLOTTA CANT CRIT 😭😭
END GAME you are supposed to have maxed Units and Good Supports ! As a FTP Player i am insulted from those BUILDS ! I Clear Hazzard Tower With Spectro Rover as Hypercarry for F sake ! There are Content Creators with No pulls Clears 30 stars ! They have no Shame to say Tower its hard and they don't have Skill issues !
@Senko1800 Bro make the effort and write Spectro Rover Tower in RUclips. Shorekeeper Sanhua Spectro Rover. You don't even Understand how easy its to build . New set + Rover its 40% crit rate 0 echos no weapon . Emerald + Shorekeeper its 76 % critical rate on 0 echos rolls .
People need to stfu and make their mind up. Do you want toa hard or not? Literally so many comments on Reddit/youtube and the wuwa disc complaining that “toa is to easy need to be more challenging” to now “toa is to hard, the buffs are unfair”. Like there’s just no winning for the devs lmao.
(b4 i start.. yeah i cleared middle tower myself) nobody's against spike in difficulty if its the same for everyone.. middle tower always has been same in terms of difficulty so far.. but now suddenly they created artificial difficulty which nerfs 2 teams while giving massive advantage with buffs to other 2 teams.. lets be honest jiyan with standard 5 star weapon is shit in middle tower.. mayb can still for some with good echos and tight rotations clear 1st crownless cuz no annoying waves mechanism.. but 2nd without limited weapon is buffed for carlotta.. who gets massive buffs from all mechanical buffs while also gaint glacio buff.. meanwhile ppl who hyper focused on xiangli yao and camy teams are suffering for no good reason.. nobody had any idea that the elements they are trying to hyper focus is gonna bite them back like this.. so in a way its unfair.. i mean which part of 10% specific 2 element nerf doesn't speak unfairness is beyond my thinking... my point is.. increase difficulty.. make them stronger, hit harder.. make everyone work for it with their focused teams.. or at bare minimum dont nerf elements.. so it will be fair for everyone even if they cant clear it.. nerfing specific element is just a bad idea
Use your brain. These are obviously two completely separate groups of people. I can assure you that the majority of players DO NOT want an increase in difficulty in challenging content that has pulls locked behind it, where they now have to work harder to get the exact same rewards
@@sarcastoon677bro, people cried to get Scar nerfed 2 months ago. They complained that scar was too aggressive and dealt too much damage with his pattern.
I struggled with clearing and just tuned into the stream to watch saintontas roll and run TOA on viewer accounts. His general advice on team building and watching him roll echos made me realize I already had the resources to clear, I just had to recycle some old bad materials and roll smart. I was definitely just tunneling resources inefficiently into characters I liked, but after saving up resources and levelling up some supports, the clear was pretty difficult but doable. I really underestimated how little resources it takes to build supports in this game and how hard the power spikes with a crappy basic moonlit clouds set.
This is exactly what most players problems are. And the fact that they respond "I dont care" to the advice of rolling for better echos or "I dont have enough matterials" is just skill issues. I work a 9 to 5 whilst doing my thesis, im doing fine.
Can't clear ToA? Get good, build your characters, get goodies from the gacha gods. Those are your options to get more damage, so just keep playing the game and you'll slowly make progress on those 3 things every day you play. It took me 2 months to get my first 30/30 clear and it was hella hard, now 7 months into the game I can do it easily. This shit takes time, if you don't think it's worth the effort then just don't bother with it, you'll only lose a few hundred astrite which is a minuscule ammount compared to what Kuro gives every patch.
Because Changli is really bad but EN TC’ers and CC’s can’t stop gooning for her. So they try to find anyway possible to make her viable just so they can say see this character is good the haters don’t know what they are taking about!!!!!
@@vutrantrunghieu2016 His exact take isn't that she is bad. Just that unlike other quick-swappers, quickswap playstyle on her is not an option, it's a requirement. So if you have Changli and can't quickswap, she is simply the worst limited 5* which is a fair take. very very low floor and pretty high ceiling character and all
This video taught me the average player ignores simple, controllable aspects of the RNG game model at an alarming rate. All these people chose not to burn stamina on leveling skills, which is something you have a higher degree of control over compared to echoes, and then also only have dogshit echoes to show for it. And what is worse is that these are viewers who should already be primed to be the above average player because the average player wouldn't watch content because they're too busy with activities that aren't conducive to spending time watching a gaming livestream.
I already 30/30 the current toa but I agree this is the worst. His arguments for wuwa are the same shit he was arguing against mrpokke. What a hypocrite
@@jvhorca545 Some of them felt like it, but still, these aren't in any way unwinnable still, and those buffs/debuffs aren't gamebreaking. And as you see in this vid, people ALREADY have the tools they need, they already farmed them, but had wrong builds set on characters, Pokke said more in the way of "if you use all your time farming, you'll win" (exaggeration). Here it is more issue of bad echo comps and weapons put on characters, then cleared on 0 level echoes on some points. It's a skill issue, and I'm a skill issue guy too, but I try to get those right, and now getting better at game.
@@reaperfall6630Yeah. Her concerto is really annoying to fill. 100% agree that she feels slow and clunky to play relative to quickswap spider monkeys with alot of gap closers/mobility like Changli or Carlotta
It's honestly not ? It's more annoying is all. The new buff has been introduced way too early, so it just makes it so accounts that don't have the right DPSes for center tower struggle a lot more, while those who do don't feel a difference. Still bad, and hope they revert it and don't put it back until we actually have a good enugh pull of characters to flex different elements.
@@Zephyrion22 It is objectively harder. If you add 10% damage reduction you're making it harder just with that. And that's not all they did. You're confusing two things: It being annoying is an emotion you feel towards it; it being harder refers to something changed in the game that will increase the odds of people beating it. The previous one didn't have a buff/debuff in the middle. You literally said it yourself: If you didn't have the units for it then... It will be harder.
@ I know a few of them from discord that is how I know. I've been around those people in the past that is how I know and I see the same patterns with Changli mains. So Far Changli mains are the ONLY WuWa mains who are toxic.
@@fastedwarrior7353lmao! Changli main are former genshin 😂 You gotta be joking because lot of Changli main are who's actually capable of using her tend to be player of PGR. Pretty damn funny how dck riding Tontas for his bad take on Changli due his skill issue and label Changli as worthless
I think right now it is fine. Thing is, TOA pre 1.4 has been too easy for a lot of players and the last two TOA updates kinda made it challenging at least for me. That being said the upward trajectory is not looking good. In the middle of 1.4 they introuduced the whole 3 waves in the second part of the middle tower, which is less of a skill expression and more of a DPS check, and now they removed the attribute DMG bonus and introduced two elemental resistances? So you telling me in the span of 1 patch and a half they introduced these crappy changes? and the one in 2.0 was a really big jump and not in a engaging way. That is really worrisome for the future of TOA. TOA is already disliked by the majority of players and most players would rather play the Illusive realm or holograms than TOA. Making it artificially harder is really not a good idea but I guess thats how gacha games goes.
The problem is that ToA is more difficult than it used to because the real issue is that a non player friendly change has been made. No matter how many videos will come out " see me, i clear it easy" will not change the fact of this change which doesn't improve player's experience.
2:57 i dont think bro understands what unlucky echo rolls look like.... Kinda ennvy him Without SK by base yao has 70 240 and thay is with sig and that is my best crit ratio For comparison my jinhsi has 70/200 ( no sig) changli 80/220 ( EoG ) and carolatta has 80/200 ( SM, can do better with her need like a few months to farms her properly) SK aint enabling my clears with such stats And its not like im not farming or not efficiently upgrading evhoes. i am but my luck os cooked and i think this what the average luck is, i have seem people who have such horrible echoes that i thank god my luck is decent
U out of tuner or echo exp? I think getting 3 echoes from 5 echoes equipped with a double crit roll is doable.. but yeah. I think it is easier than the hoyo game in terms of farming gud relic, echoes stuff. But still at the end of the day.. it rng. My best char so far is jinshi with 76CR with 283CD. With signature. Before thati run 44111 (70CR 300CD).. but i ran out of that 1 cost echoes with att% to roll. And also that 4 cost echoes roll just bad on Aix. So i decided to try 43311.. and yeah i am able to get all 5 echoes double crit. Which i use currently.. i think i rolled around ≈8 times more tuner and ≈4 times echoes exp.. on jinshi echoes.. my havoc set got all 5 CR CD in around 1.0 era.. but my jinshi just completed it in 2.0. it a long way from 1.1.🥹
I burned out 500 goddamn tuners today to get the last double crit 1 cost for my zhezhi on new set, just keep grinding! (Got it on my last 50 tuners, now I have zero tuners left lol)
I don't think having 3 main dps fully built is that hard even with bad luck at rolling substats. You can just go with "naked supdps" anyway so they are lesspriority. Last is healer/support. 250 er, that's it. I'm failing to see the problem, honestly. I 3030-ed with Chixia, Havoc Rover and Carlotta first week pretty comfortable.
@@Flare8124 of course, powercreep exits. Even in PGR. But the point is it is not impossible to clear, just gitgud. And have decently built maindps-es, too.
Thanks! Now I know 1. You need to build carrys with a lot crit rate and critdamage (I just winged it before without rerolling the echoes) 2. Use 4 Star characters aswell, for Damage Buffs and Resistance Shreds and not only 5 Star Characters. 3. Know the Good rotation to benefit from damage buffs and resistance shreds for a LONGER time. Thank you sensei! ;D For some reason I knew this from Genshin, like to have benett or zhongli all the time, but here I was just lazu to check stats and was thinking that I am just bad...
the difference with genshin being,abyss is purely a dps check with little to no actual mechanics involved.Toa and wuwa gameplay(though still somewhat a dps check) HEAVILY relies on personal skill and proper gearing.
@ make sure you have all their skills up(intro isn’t necessary).Try to aim for at least 60% crit rate and as much crit damage as you can fit in.Verina and shorekeeper buffs are also important(when activating their outro you get insane buffs)
As a F2P I hate how if I want to swap my teams around so my better built teams only tackle the 3/4th floor of each tower I gotta clear 1 + 2 with them then undo the clear? And I gotta go out of the tower to swap weapons around? It's such a waste of my time swapping shit around.
The guy is complaining that he can even swap things around because it's a waste of time 😅. Why not build every resonator so you don't share equipment so you don't waste your time swapping equipment
Would you rather not be able to? 😂 As an F2P you're rather sounding self entitled... Would you like to hire an assistant to swap your shit around for you?
Thank you for helping us clear this shit. But also, I think we should remain critical of the way that they're approaching difficulty. It's being done in such a way that favours some chars and cripples some others. Given how which chars you own is linked to how much you spend it's a relevant criticism. Now, you're the expert here in Wuwa, but that will never sway me to defend a corporation. Kuro is not our friend. They're not even a person. They're a corporation. It's easy to forget that since they're trying to win our favour. But if we shower them only with praises then it's obvious what's going to happen. The purpose of a corporation is to make profit. And profit is linked to the surplus value created by labour working above and beyond what's needed to reproduce itself (ie how much they exploit their workers) and how much money we give them. We can only affect one of those. And I say that we need to be careful on how much money we give them. That's to say: Kuro deserves our money for now. But we need to be critical of the company when they make these decisions. NOT critical of the players. Because if we're critical of the players then... well that's the exact argument Pokke made. The jury's still out on this one, for me. I'm not happy with the changes, regardless of whether I can clear it or not. And yes, I was able to clear it without issue. But it doesn't matter, it doesn't change my perspective that there's something wrong with it. My brother cleared the last one and got stuck with this one, heavily. Why? Who knows. Anyway, don't defend companies. Making Solon richer instead of Da Wei (is that his f**ing name? idk) is not gonna make a difference.
It’s not really hard but it just annoying that it depends so much on the modifiers since it takes forever to grind/level up 3 different teams at max level
Idk why these guys are crying over their clears. They have forgotten the good old gamer term "GIT GUD". No, I don't have sig weaps on all my DPS. My Jiyan is running a freaking BP weapon and got 3 stars in middle tower. Again, GIT GUD.
ToA was fine, it's an end-game mode, it's supposed to be tough to beat. And it's getting harder because we are getting: more characters so more team possibilities, more stats due to better echoes because as time goes by... you build better echoes and ofc new echoes and sets. Kuro takes that into account and makes changes to ToA accordingly... Skill and entitlement issues aside, build your characters better and no S6ing a character leaving you with 4-6 less variation in characters is a personal choice, so get used to the consequences of it.
5:57 nvm bro is ugrading the echoes, my dissapointment os immeasurable and my day is ruined 😔 . . At this rate I need saint to roll my echoes for me so i can finally get double crit medium rolls for me, my luck aint doing it
do you plan on making guides of each character? like builds and that stuff? if not, is anyone you recomend with good guilds? tbh im a casual player but i would love to improve
I don't feel bad at all when I failed 30/30 (only 29/30 so far) I failed because pure "skill issue" Of mine & just need to play better next time. It's not because I must pull another "godly support or bla bla" to clear the contents as the excuse. ☕
I didn't even read the debuff but still cleared middle tower with camellya cause she's broken asf even with 10% debuff they said SK - Camellya - Sanhua SK - Jinhsi - Yinlin
The only players that can complain the toa is too hard to clear was in 1.0 where we had to play with lv70 Calcharo and Ancore to juice the fuck out of them. If they can't clear the tower with new limited characters, its purely skill issue. Not because of the devs.
2:10 yes i have 3 standards where i am using a rectifier on zhezhi. The gun on Carlotta and Sk sig. Which i shouldn't have gotten but got lucky and I've been very lucky mostly in weapons tbh i have 3 sigs 3 Standards
22:15 when i saw Camellya hit for 400K I knew she was S2 because those numbers are similar to my S2 Camellya. Double Camellya on banner then grabbed s2 from shop.
TL;DR: I have 30/30'd the Tower but the 2nd Floor's stalling mechanic with the Elites spawning one by one instead of at the same time and the Boss's invulnerable state for the first 5 seconds is what made me struggle and learn to optimized my teams even further with Carlotta. I have 30/30 the tower and my opinion in it is that Middle Tower especially the 2nd Floor has been a very bad experience for me due to: - Elite enemies spawning one by one instead of at the same time which heavily screws you by making you waste your abilities and your first and second rotation before you could enter the actual boss fight. - The boss has a very stupid Invulnerability state when he appears which is just a huge time waster since the clock is ticking despite being unable to do anything to the boss. - The new X decrease resistance and X increase resistance is absolutely horrendous. If they think that the buff they it used to give (30% all attribute dmg) is a lot then they can just lower it instead of making other characters/teams deal less damage because of the X increased resistance. Though the ToA being hard made me actually learn Carlotta and what best teams to use with her. I basically paired her up with almost all the 4 stars that have some sort of synergy with her. I struggled with needing Resonance Energy to keep her ult after every rotation so I paired her up with Yangyang but was lacking damage then I learned about the double intro rotation technique by Mr. Saintontas and it fixed my Carlotta's Resonance Energy problem so I instead opted for a faster rotation with Sanhua, Shorekeeper and it worked out well against Crownless since I rotate pretty fast and I keep triggering Intro Skills, I basically kept him at ground level at all times. For the 2nd Tower I used Taoqi which was her best f2p support (I don't have Zhezhi nor Verina) to deal with the fact that I couldn't use Shorekeeper anymore to buff my damage, I instead used Baizhi together with Taoqi and I was able to clear all the Elites in one rotation and dealt with the boss with approximately 2 seconds left for 3 stars.
I completed toa for the first time this last week. And Imma be so fr. It do be a skill iss. But, that hazard tower? Thats some bs right there. Pure rng with those stupid fckn bear. Holy. IVE NEVER BEEN IN SO MUCH AGONY.
@@johnhallow he's kind of right though. this game mode is not skill based. it's more on gearing and characters. if this keeps up, he'll be totally right. and that' the worst.
@@childex3 It is skill based though? Doing your rotation perfectly and simply know your character is enough. I mean look, i even saw people cleared with Aalto
@@hendracs8264 it's definitely skill based. I watched a handholding ToA stream, a lot of Jiyan mains with actually pretty good stats 65-70 Crit 260-270 Crit DMG were struggling and can't clear middle towers with his perfect team Mortefi and Verina. It was super easy for the streamer, only needed 1 try
iam taking back my doubts iam sorry you clearly showed everyone that you are excellent, and more importantly that it is doable with very bad porrly builds. Well Played props up very impressive !!!
I literally for fun clear this tower with chixia, the skill issue is clear for people who say is very hard ( i not saying that this tower is easy either)
Yeah I wanted to cry seeing how you play Changli and Chixia as well Jianxin is a death sentence for sure though her abilities and concerto take way too long
man please... i really like your content usually. but stop the cap. ToA is very hard unless you pull for character to clear, and not because you like them. I can't even do 27 stars because not pull on jiyan or jinshi.. unless you think you can clear it with havoc MC without broken echos or chang li S0.. if you think you can clear it with my account i will share the info , even if i never did it before. i assure you, Skill issue is absolutely a fact, i wont deny that.. but also you need the right characters and broken echo to do it. If you pull only for characters you like and you happen to "not have the right ones with right element" you just can't 30/30
There are so many option tho? I dont even have Jiyan and Carlotta, not even Ze Zhi. Yin Lin + Xiang Li yao S0R1 and Cammelya + Sanhua S0R1 can clear it.
i mean, if you only pull for chars you like and you don't like Jinhsi you shouldn't be able to 30\30 ToA. Ppl who roll for meta have no problems, and ppl who doesn't can still clear depending on the chars they like, but it's entirely possible they never will be able to. And this is okay, they are playing their waifus and that counts anyway.
It's not fair to dismiss the inability to clear the latest Tower of Adversity cycle as a 'skill issue,' especially when players with optimized gear who previously cleared all the earlier cycles are now struggling. The real problem lies in the increased damage requirements. This cycle demands not only highly specific setups but also the use of signature gear and premium supports for DPS characters, making it particularly challenging for S0 Changli mains relying only on an Emerald R1. This isn't about player skill, it's about the game pushing resource-intensive builds. You can make the argument that emerald rover and sanhua with verina can clear this cycle comfortably, but it requires highly invested builds and sweaty playstyle which not many people have.
I think your main problem is that you using changli as a main, without her sig, her dupes and her future best buddy brant she is pretty much garbage. Encore will be far superior at this point
@glebscheglov9291 I'm not complaining due to myself not being able to clear this tower. I am able to clear this tower with my carlotta very easily. But my very well built changli can't, even with maxed out shorekeeper and sanhua/taoqi, this is what pisses me off. You see the problem now? Now changli, who's next?
@ i mean, as data from first time clears indicate - most dds can clear new ToA easily. So, don't you think that Changli is the actual problem here? And, the devs is dealing with this problem by adding brant to the game. So, now you can invest even more into her and i have a solid belief that after pulling her "fix" you would've smashed current tower to pieces. It's just some chars can get her lvl of dmg with 5 times less investment right now. And, just out of curiosity - what do you consider to be "very well build" for a main dd?
I dont think saint will be able to clear with my account; no shorekeeper, no zhezhi, no camellya, level 1 jiyan, level 1 Xiangli Yao, changli fully built with her sigwep, carlotta semi built with her sigwep, basically alot of 5* that is not built, and thats about it.
its hard to take in but with those echos and character investments i dont think some of those account deserve the clear it feels kinda entitled to call this tower bad when you have characters build like that
You do need some 5 star sequences and some signature weapons to clear it with some comfort, without struggle or strain, or many retries, at least having some ping issue and mid skill issue.
I've cleared it without Carlotta, just Jinshi team all the way in the middle tower. Did the first 2-3 from the other towers with weaker teams like Calcharo, Encore, Havoc MC. The rest Xiangli Yao+YunLin combo with lesser invested support like Yuan Wu
So from reading quite a few comments I’ve learned that: 1) People have only been playing for less than 3 months and somehow expect to clear END GAME CONTENT. 2) People are thinking this is Genshin, press a few Es and Qs here and there and think they can just BS their way through END GAME content not realizing that this game is skill based and more interactive, needing to learn rotations. 3) People aren’t building echoes correctly just dumping their exp into horrible rolls and getting upset they ran out of said exp and bricked their account. 4) Thinking they need 3 teams to clear ToA and need to whale in order to do so which is not the case. I’m sure there’s more but I’m flabbergasted lol. Just have patience people. Roll and build better. Learn rotations.
ToA has always been awful. Yes, this reset was worse than the previous ones. Yes, my main problem is I am not sweaty enoigh and don't plan to become such a player any time soon.
@28:59 Everyone saying the account is successful because it's whaled. Seriously? I whaled on 2.0 and I can't get more than 15 out of 30. Skill matters, I"m negative proof.
I'm F2P with a skill issue but still managed to get 30/30. Moreover, despite the 10% increased resistance on Electro, I still managed to clear the Hazard Tower - Floor 1 with Xiangli Yao, Yinlin, and SK with all being S0. His build isn't even that great, if not at all (66% CR, 274% CD). People make it a big deal more than it actually is. Or maybe it is just the case of a skill issue.
I think the moral of the story is that "End Game" is meant for people who are at "End Game" with their teams. Characters and Weapons Lv90, Core Talents Lv10, and Echoes Lv25 with the correct main stats (reroll for better subs once the slot is at least filled). 30/30 may still be "possible" before that, as we can see with the 2 hours of proof above, but shouldn't be "expected". I'd say aiming for lower milestones like 21/30, then 24/30, then 27/30 is a more realistic expectation for folks still building their teams. I'm still totally against the ToA change, I'd much rather it go back to +30% All Attribute because there's more freedom in letting you bring who you want to bring, but the tower is most certainly still clearable even without the featured 5-Stars as long as you max out your team and get mediocre Echo rolls. I think there are a lot of cases where folks would have fully cleared if the +30% All Attribute blessing still existed, and I imagine that's where a lot of frustration comes from because the margin for error is smaller now for seemingly no reason. Still-clearable or not, I think they should undo the ToA change and implement the "higher difficulty End Game content" as more permanent floors in the Overdrive Zone instead of in the bi-weekly resetting tower. I did manage to 30/30 this rotation with relatively no issues, but the nerf to the first blessing felt quite unnecessary when the second blessing already exists to make the Featured Units shine during their banner period, doubling down is a bit overkill.
Is there a chance the buffs and debuffs in the middle tower are based off of the most/least used elements from the previous tower to try to create diversity? Havoc and Electro sound about right with everyone using Camellya and Xiangli Yao. If next patch is Glacio and Aero/Spectro, We can figure it's from how many people used Carlotta and Jiyan/Jinhsi
i was stuck at mephis for a week was about 10 second off from a 3*, took the week to learn how to play Carlotta Changli quick swap correctly because i dont have Zhezhi, cleared it today with 20 seconds remaining. That team really is the definition of a skill issue. then funny enough i got Zhezhi rite after from a single.
you know why players don't have a sig on their main dps? Its clear a lot of them have brain rot where you shouldn't pull for sigs and instead get characters. We had so many re-runs they should at least have 3 sigs by now and the weapon banner is legit 100% so there is no 50/50 idk why ppl are complaining Just admit you have a skill issue its fine to admit that, and just get better.
I'll agree to a lesser degree that it is a bit of a Skill Issue; the main reason being is that while I do have Carlotta & her best team; I've geared + given Echoes Lotta & Zhezhi to a point where they can 2 Man the Middle Tower. This leaves my Shorekeeper fully available to help Jinhsi & Camellya to fully finish up the 4th Node of each Left & Right Tower. I should be able to take the time during the rest of this Tower's Duration & clear that 30/30.
This tower is the first tower i was able to get 30/30. I have to say, the tower was never my focus and I just want to level all characters I like and get their reputation to max. However, I was able to get 6 stars on the middle tower with Carlotta and Zhezhi after only a few tries. So then I invested a bit of time farming and levelling echoes my changli and camellia and an hour later I got my first 30/30.
You can clear middle tower floor 1 with xiangliyao team and middle tower floor 2 with havoc rover team. They are just looking for an excuse. Skill issue is the real reason they cant beat it
Yeah, its pretty balanced with how it is. Can be improved and its kuro games so they'll But people really just want it easy and want to complain. Anyways, thanks again for being the good cc of wuwa
What people want is to not have the characters they pulled for the patch before being targeted in particular the patch immediately after so they are harder to clear with, while having the new one in the banner make it a cakewalk because it feels they got scammed and being pushed to pull for a new character (that they might not want to pull or just couldn't)
@ There is pathetic 10% res man, what are you talikng about? So, for all previous ToAs you had 30% buff to anything and it was okay. But now you have insignificant joke-of-a-res of 10% and suddenly it's unplayable? I bet 95% of ppl who can't beat it now, wouldn't be able to beat if this res is removed, coz they weak teams was carried by powerfull buffs from 1.x ToAs.
@@grogash90 that's just how it is bro. Check out PGR or even Hi3 or zzz. Bosses have always been resistant to atleast one element, are you saying people are gonna use xly or Camellya on heron(havoc) or Memphis(electro)? Just because it's stated in toa now makes it a bad thing?
@ I wasn't talking about bosses being resistant to one element, I was talking about the debuff from the ToA on top of it. But it's not even the debuff itself or just the bosses on its own, it's the fact they combined the two so if you do want to use the characters from the last banners your life will be much harder than if you pulled on anything else is the issue. I don't think that the new way to handle the ToA buff/debuff in the middle tower is bad in a vacuum either, but I think it's just too early to apply, I would like to see that once at least 2 limited DPS of each element got released so everyone had the chance to lose a 50/50 / skip a character they didn't like and pull for the other to cover their basis, and maybe having the buffs/debuffs being incrementally stronger to warn the players that is a transition from the old system is going to happen and you'll need more than 2/3 elements would have been a better way to handle it, just in general a less abrupt and sudden change to get used to the new system. In short, the situation they created for which the player's last pulls feel much less valued is what makes the players feel bad, it's not that is unclearable (I did in fact use XY and Camellya in middle tower because I had nothing else), it's the transparent intention from the devs to make your life harder than it needs to be that feels bad. I don't think it will be a trend for that matter, but it did feel bad for this cycle at the very least
@@grogash90 Yeah, it might feel pretty bad when your newest units dont do well in hardest content. But im pretty sure that most people wouldn't just have 2-3 dps, and if they only got xy and camellya from last banner, then they're probably too new to expect full clear. As for the route they've taken, that is to debuff certain elements. Thats a good way to counter units like camellya blasting through all the content. Or would you rather have some absurd hp inflation? And you can see from saint's video, he was able to clear it. So can anyone else. This is wuthering waves(a lil bit of skills and brain should be used), wouldn't a bit of challenge be fun? Or would you like something like neuvillette or acheron scenario? Just think about, this feels like the right way to do powercreep or whatever that issue is. A content where 1.4 dps is much harder to use than a 1.0 dps(jiyan). Anyways, congratulations on clearing middle floor
okay but like those viewer accounts are disgusting no? if you are not putting in the effort to build your characters, you dont get the privilege of complaining about TAO being hard or anything else in that matter im tired of people crying and when you look at their account, they have a single crit roll on a 5piece i have invested more than 3k tuners on EACH dps character in wuwa and im STILL trynna make them better whenever i got the spare time
Gosh almost all of these viewers are just lazy.. y'all blessed with good characters and weapons so for the love of god do some effort moving echos and try watching toa clears and learn their rotations. 1:06:36 I tried Jihnsi, Yuanwu, and Verina here... 3 star but super clutch so I won't recommend it
you Always forget to realize.. that because YOU can finish it it doesn't make doable for everybody else.. you cannot generalize it as "doable" because you a CC that put a lot of effort into the game and is good/very good at playing it because of that, then think "everybody should be able to" its not that hard.. That's like saying why don't you buy expensive things ? you just need a better job!! not everybody can get that "better job" and its not always their fault for it. and im not here to say i don't like ToA to be hard.. in fact i do. can't care less i can't clear it, i just have more motivation to make my character stronger and get better at the game myself.. BUT at the same time i have to tell you what i think, and that the ToA is VERY hard unless you are extremely good at the game, and also have broken echo stats.
Of course, but you need to understand that most of these accounts are not properly built so it's on them whom cannot manage their resources. And that is why they can't do it.
If you have skill issue than you can compensate with good builds, if you don't have good echoes you can compensate with quick-swaps, cancels and other sweaty tricks, if you have neither you can p2w. If you don't spend money or time to learn the game or build your characters why are you complaining?
@@randomdude3798 not really.. no amount of swap or cancel can close the gap between crappy echo or skill issue. same for skilled players, they can be as skilled as they want, but if they don't get lucky with good echo they have to rely on the wallet with S1 or S2 character etc.. cmon guys its so hard to be honest? Just cause you can do it doesn't make it "its totally doable" there are lots of stuff that have to align to be "totally doable" Sure.. with lot of effort and hours upon hours of try and retry you can do it, but , i want the content to be hard, not stressful.
It took me getting yinlin & xiangli yao in 1.2, havoc rover & changli , and jianxin for stage 2 & 3 to full clear TOA. Ever since I made two strong steams I would 30/30 easily every reset. Personally it was the overdrive zone I kept at 29/30 until I got camellya
what people fail to realise is that its end game content for a reason. it encourages players to build their characters and learn the games mechanics in which people clearly need when they have less than 50/200 rate/dmg (btw u get 150% free crit dmg + more depending on talents) “but im sooo unlucky” how are u unlucky on 10000 of echos? keep in mind all echoes dont even need to have both crit rate and dmg as u can clearly see in this video. yall just hate grinding and blame that on wuwa like every single game don’t require u to grind like what are u playing that dont require u to grind? those games that do everything for u whilst u stay afk? dont play and blame wuwa for not being one of those games + if u dont wanna grind u can uk, just avoid the tower? and why yall act like ur forced to use that certain element against bosses with that element resistance??😭 its even funnier when they play one of mihoyo games especially genshin (i saw a genshin player complain about the tower btw), like genshin dont have resistance too but they just dont state it they expect u to know, why do yall think eula is known as bad despite being a op nuke. ya allowed to have opinions and complain but dont blame wuwa for ur own skill issue
it's really skill issues am f2p and i have no actual teams exept mybe jinshi mortefi verina is my only proper team i cleared the whole tower with dual dps comps NO quickswap and on mobile not even on pc sorry guys it's truly skill issues
I am on mobile. Wrong server. I should have chosen SEA but i am in asia and my ping is 300+ms Even though it took me 2 days to learn quick swapping which is not really flashy quick swapping but I've learnt how to fill concerto fast while rotation
You can clear the abyss in GI with 4*character and weapon (well build) no matter how much hard the abyss is, But there's no way you can do that in WUWA TOA......
Then there's those of us who really only got started on console because our computers couldn't handle the game. Sure my Carlotta/Zezhi/Verina team is cool. Trying to get Calcharo or Rover to carry their own teams to success at only level 70 is a different issue.
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It's skill issue honestly , but making the middle tower harder by making you do less damage is a lame way of increasing difficulty .
Pretty much every gacha game does it. I was hoping wuwa would be different cause other gachas don't focus on their combat that much
The only thing i don't like is the added elemental resistance ...
the rest? Disagree....It means they were artificially over-inflating our characters' damage in the first place and sought to return the characters strengths back to how it should've been in the first place.
Yeah just add hologram bosses to toa
remember when scar so hard they have to nerf it . right now reduce damage people still crying so I don't think they will make the boss harder if casual still can't get good
@@ashiqprio2485 no, most gacha buffs but doesn't debuff
I got 29/30 after trying so many different teams but I give up now and here is my conclusion:
-I dont care about the increased resistance of enemies in middle tower (I got 5/6 in middle thats where I am missing)
- The first problem is why do we have to wait for boss to spawn???? While we wait timer still goes on and I think it is ridiculous cause we cant damage them.
- Second problem I have is everyone in the tower has some sort of teleport I've been chasing every goddamn boss like I am chasing some chickens.
-Thirs problem I had is that they all spawn One by one in the second stage I could beat them If first two discord spawned together
Thank you for reading ❤
Yeah the boss spawn immunity does mess up clear time
boss spawn immunity is bad , i literally missed jinshi skill , caelotta ultimate shot cause of it , and if i wait the cooldown on skill will start
Yep true
- change/shuffle your team rotation/team composition.
- even the bosses/mobs are spawning slowly, you can still damage them as they appear.
- adjust your FPS. Sometimes that's the issue.
- how's your stats by the way?
@@mourningprudence I tried with couple of different teams such as
- Jinshi/verina/Yuanwu and I got 2 stars with them because of they all spawn separately and my jinshi stacks wasnt enough. My jinshi has jiyans sig weapon 72/300
Then I tried with my Jiyan team
-Jiyan/mortefi(s6)/shorekeeper and this one was so funny because I couldn't keep up with the bosses teleports so jiyan neither did damage or any energy back. Jiyan has his sig weapon 62/312
-Camellya/Sanhua(s6)/Shorekeeper Honestly I don't know how this team couldn't clear it in time perhaps my camellya doesn't have enough damage She has Emerald of genesis 69/280
-Carlotta/Taoqi/Shorekeeper MY CARLOTTA CANT CRIT 😭😭
I FINALLY was able to end this ToA. With S0 Jinshi, Shorekeeper, and Yinlin. I spent 7 whole days trying to finish it.
Seems like your persistence was rewarded.
I don't know if I should laugh at you or be sad
Damn thats some dedication , Respect
keep it up o7
motivated for 7 days .. mah man o7
Half of the video is explanation why I have 95% crit rate on my Jinshi. It is unbareble to watch huge nuke not criting
Life is too short to have Jihnsi on less than 100% crt rate
END GAME you are supposed to have maxed Units and Good Supports !
As a FTP Player i am insulted from those BUILDS !
I Clear Hazzard Tower With Spectro Rover as Hypercarry for F sake !
There are Content Creators with No pulls Clears 30 stars !
They have no Shame to say Tower its hard and they don't have Skill issues !
@@BloodyVeel teach me your ways bro . Send me your discord and show me the builds 🙏
@Senko1800 Bro make the effort and write Spectro Rover Tower in RUclips.
Shorekeeper Sanhua Spectro Rover.
You don't even Understand how easy its to build . New set + Rover its 40% crit rate 0 echos no weapon . Emerald + Shorekeeper its 76 % critical rate on 0 echos rolls .
@@BloodyVeelbs
I’m also a Fee to play player and cleared tower.
how does he manage to look so good in such a bad camera
Look at that suit and tie tho
The premium bobby lee kinda growing on me too icl
He looks like a Mexican
People need to stfu and make their mind up. Do you want toa hard or not? Literally so many comments on Reddit/youtube and the wuwa disc complaining that “toa is to easy need to be more challenging” to now “toa is to hard, the buffs are unfair”. Like there’s just no winning for the devs lmao.
(b4 i start.. yeah i cleared middle tower myself) nobody's against spike in difficulty if its the same for everyone.. middle tower always has been same in terms of difficulty so far.. but now suddenly they created artificial difficulty which nerfs 2 teams while giving massive advantage with buffs to other 2 teams.. lets be honest jiyan with standard 5 star weapon is shit in middle tower.. mayb can still for some with good echos and tight rotations clear 1st crownless cuz no annoying waves mechanism.. but 2nd without limited weapon is buffed for carlotta.. who gets massive buffs from all mechanical buffs while also gaint glacio buff.. meanwhile ppl who hyper focused on xiangli yao and camy teams are suffering for no good reason.. nobody had any idea that the elements they are trying to hyper focus is gonna bite them back like this.. so in a way its unfair.. i mean which part of 10% specific 2 element nerf doesn't speak unfairness is beyond my thinking...
my point is.. increase difficulty.. make them stronger, hit harder.. make everyone work for it with their focused teams.. or at bare minimum dont nerf elements.. so it will be fair for everyone even if they cant clear it.. nerfing specific element is just a bad idea
Skill issue to those players 😂
Use your brain. These are obviously two completely separate groups of people. I can assure you that the majority of players DO NOT want an increase in difficulty in challenging content that has pulls locked behind it, where they now have to work harder to get the exact same rewards
I mean you can do things harder but don't make artificial difficulty
@@sarcastoon677bro, people cried to get Scar nerfed 2 months ago. They complained that scar was too aggressive and dealt too much damage with his pattern.
I'd rather have Kuro making a new attack pattern or new skill set for the boss to cook me
It's fine for hologram but not for a renewing 2 weeks game mode. This one should be more about routine.
From Software doesn't even do that.
you're already cooked buddy boy
They tried that with Scar and people cried.
Whats the point when all the bosses in the tower die in 2 rotations?
I struggled with clearing and just tuned into the stream to watch saintontas roll and run TOA on viewer accounts. His general advice on team building and watching him roll echos made me realize I already had the resources to clear, I just had to recycle some old bad materials and roll smart. I was definitely just tunneling resources inefficiently into characters I liked, but after saving up resources and levelling up some supports, the clear was pretty difficult but doable. I really underestimated how little resources it takes to build supports in this game and how hard the power spikes with a crappy basic moonlit clouds set.
kids nowadays just don't like a challenge, the first stone in the way they start crying about it without even trying, gj I'm happy for you
This is exactly what most players problems are. And the fact that they respond "I dont care" to the advice of rolling for better echos or "I dont have enough matterials" is just skill issues. I work a 9 to 5 whilst doing my thesis, im doing fine.
Can't clear ToA? Get good, build your characters, get goodies from the gacha gods. Those are your options to get more damage, so just keep playing the game and you'll slowly make progress on those 3 things every day you play. It took me 2 months to get my first 30/30 clear and it was hella hard, now 7 months into the game I can do it easily. This shit takes time, if you don't think it's worth the effort then just don't bother with it, you'll only lose a few hundred astrite which is a minuscule ammount compared to what Kuro gives every patch.
Saint's disdain for Changli is hilarious at this point. It's a fun watch throughout his videos XD
Why did he hate changli so much?
Because Changli is really bad but EN TC’ers and CC’s can’t stop gooning for her. So they try to find anyway possible to make her viable just so they can say see this character is good the haters don’t know what they are taking about!!!!!
@@yanuarmustika5816 prolly rage bait for gooners lmao, he does care about changli enough to learn all her mechs
@@fastedwarrior7353but Changli is good tho? People just have skill issues and can't operate her properly.
@@vutrantrunghieu2016 His exact take isn't that she is bad. Just that unlike other quick-swappers, quickswap playstyle on her is not an option, it's a requirement. So if you have Changli and can't quickswap, she is simply the worst limited 5* which is a fair take. very very low floor and pretty high ceiling character and all
Your worst play, is my best play🎉
This video taught me the average player ignores simple, controllable aspects of the RNG game model at an alarming rate. All these people chose not to burn stamina on leveling skills, which is something you have a higher degree of control over compared to echoes, and then also only have dogshit echoes to show for it. And what is worse is that these are viewers who should already be primed to be the above average player because the average player wouldn't watch content because they're too busy with activities that aren't conducive to spending time watching a gaming livestream.
Powercreep exist only if you allow it to happen
I already 30/30 the current toa but I agree this is the worst. His arguments for wuwa are the same shit he was arguing against mrpokke. What a hypocrite
😂
By greed and stupidity? 😢
As long as I can enjoy characters gameplay, powercreep doesn't exist for me
@@jvhorca545 Some of them felt like it, but still, these aren't in any way unwinnable still, and those buffs/debuffs aren't gamebreaking. And as you see in this vid, people ALREADY have the tools they need, they already farmed them, but had wrong builds set on characters, Pokke said more in the way of "if you use all your time farming, you'll win" (exaggeration). Here it is more issue of bad echo comps and weapons put on characters, then cleared on 0 level echoes on some points. It's a skill issue, and I'm a skill issue guy too, but I try to get those right, and now getting better at game.
Aalto DPS in middle TOA = relax I can finish it
Yeah, they forget Aalto as *4 damage dealer wind
@@habilpratamaid9009 aalto takes ridiculous investment tho . If people really discourage using changli but not aalto there's a problem 🤣
@@Senko1800 not invesment, but more training to use him, he's really tricky but the damage is insane
@@habilpratamaid9009 both , he's a 4 star damage dealer
21 stars here, can't be bothered enough to spend my time and sanity for one pull lmao
@@fennikk2569 ye it's literally just a challenge to overcome just to feel good about it
I will never be convinced to stop using Taoqi. She'll forever be a 5* in my heart.
Same 🛡 ☁️
Taoqi is noelle's lost sister 🗿
she isn't as bad as people make her out to be , her only problem is her slow gameplay and she isn't that concerto efficient
@@reaperfall6630Yeah. Her concerto is really annoying to fill. 100% agree that she feels slow and clunky to play relative to quickswap spider monkeys with alot of gap closers/mobility like Changli or Carlotta
Honaki3rd guy: watched
Genshin guy / tecton : watched
Hsr guy / pokke : watched
Wuwa guy / saintontas : still watching
Who's the hi3 guy?
@@Gheniel_ yea also curious
@@Gheniel_Marisa probably
Pgr guy rexlent missing 😔
If this video exist, It means the TOA on 2.0 is much harder than previous patch.
It's honestly not ? It's more annoying is all. The new buff has been introduced way too early, so it just makes it so accounts that don't have the right DPSes for center tower struggle a lot more, while those who do don't feel a difference.
Still bad, and hope they revert it and don't put it back until we actually have a good enugh pull of characters to flex different elements.
@@Zephyrion22 it's difficult because it's annoying 🤣, the for the boss is really annoying 😅 still 30/30
@@Zephyrion22 It is objectively harder. If you add 10% damage reduction you're making it harder just with that. And that's not all they did. You're confusing two things: It being annoying is an emotion you feel towards it; it being harder refers to something changed in the game that will increase the odds of people beating it. The previous one didn't have a buff/debuff in the middle. You literally said it yourself: If you didn't have the units for it then...
It will be harder.
Saint beef with Changli is generational😭
@@Takodachii1727 I can’t get enough of the Changli Hate because lot of EN Changli mains are from Genshin and they are insufferable!!!!!
@@fastedwarrior7353that doesn't really seem fair to assume that what even gives that perception
@ I know a few of them from discord that is how I know. I've been around those people in the past that is how I know and I see the same patterns with Changli mains. So Far Changli mains are the ONLY WuWa mains who are toxic.
@@fastedwarrior7353I'm curious. What did they do that is toxic? I'm a Changli main as well but I mostly having a good time in the game with my friend
@@fastedwarrior7353lmao! Changli main are former genshin 😂 You gotta be joking because lot of Changli main are who's actually capable of using her tend to be player of PGR. Pretty damn funny how dck riding Tontas for his bad take on Changli due his skill issue and label Changli as worthless
Even calcharo still can clear the crownless with 10% electro resistance lol
I think right now it is fine.
Thing is, TOA pre 1.4 has been too easy for a lot of players and the last two TOA updates kinda made it challenging at least for me.
That being said the upward trajectory is not looking good.
In the middle of 1.4 they introuduced the whole 3 waves in the second part of the middle tower, which is less of a skill expression and more of a DPS check, and now they removed the attribute DMG bonus and introduced two elemental resistances?
So you telling me in the span of 1 patch and a half they introduced these crappy changes? and the one in 2.0 was a really big jump and not in a engaging way.
That is really worrisome for the future of TOA.
TOA is already disliked by the majority of players and most players would rather play the Illusive realm or holograms than TOA.
Making it artificially harder is really not a good idea but I guess thats how gacha games goes.
we will see.
The problem is that ToA is more difficult than it used to because the real issue is that a non player friendly change has been made.
No matter how many videos will come out " see me, i clear it easy" will not change the fact of this change which doesn't improve player's experience.
2:57 i dont think bro understands what unlucky echo rolls look like.... Kinda ennvy him
Without SK by base yao has 70 240 and thay is with sig and that is my best crit ratio
For comparison my jinhsi has 70/200 ( no sig) changli 80/220 ( EoG ) and carolatta has 80/200 ( SM, can do better with her need like a few months to farms her properly)
SK aint enabling my clears with such stats
And its not like im not farming or not efficiently upgrading evhoes. i am but my luck os cooked and i think this what the average luck is, i have seem people who have such horrible echoes that i thank god my luck is decent
U out of tuner or echo exp?
I think getting 3 echoes from 5 echoes equipped with a double crit roll is doable.. but yeah. I think it is easier than the hoyo game in terms of farming gud relic, echoes stuff.
But still at the end of the day.. it rng.
My best char so far is jinshi with 76CR with 283CD. With signature. Before thati run 44111 (70CR 300CD).. but i ran out of that 1 cost echoes with att% to roll. And also that 4 cost echoes roll just bad on Aix. So i decided to try 43311.. and yeah i am able to get all 5 echoes double crit. Which i use currently.. i think i rolled around ≈8 times more tuner and ≈4 times echoes exp.. on jinshi echoes.. my havoc set got all 5 CR CD in around 1.0 era.. but my jinshi just completed it in 2.0. it a long way from 1.1.🥹
I burned out 500 goddamn tuners today to get the last double crit 1 cost for my zhezhi on new set, just keep grinding! (Got it on my last 50 tuners, now I have zero tuners left lol)
I don't think having 3 main dps fully built is that hard even with bad luck at rolling substats. You can just go with "naked supdps" anyway so they are lesspriority. Last is healer/support. 250 er, that's it. I'm failing to see the problem, honestly. I 3030-ed with Chixia, Havoc Rover and Carlotta first week pretty comfortable.
@@vutrantrunghieu2016 It's not hard in ANY gacha game, just the ones who can't be bothered say powercreep
@@Flare8124 of course, powercreep exits. Even in PGR. But the point is it is not impossible to clear, just gitgud. And have decently built maindps-es, too.
Thanks! Now I know
1. You need to build carrys with a lot crit rate and critdamage (I just winged it before without rerolling the echoes)
2. Use 4 Star characters aswell, for Damage Buffs and Resistance Shreds and not only 5 Star Characters.
3. Know the Good rotation to benefit from damage buffs and resistance shreds for a LONGER time.
Thank you sensei! ;D
For some reason I knew this from Genshin, like to have benett or zhongli all the time, but here I was just lazu to check stats and was thinking that I am just bad...
the difference with genshin being,abyss is purely a dps check with little to no actual mechanics involved.Toa and wuwa gameplay(though still somewhat a dps check) HEAVILY relies on personal skill and proper gearing.
@exalted7906 I can fight for 5 min straight, but my problem was the DPS check here
@ make sure you have all their skills up(intro isn’t necessary).Try to aim for at least 60% crit rate and as much crit damage as you can fit in.Verina and shorekeeper buffs are also important(when activating their outro you get insane buffs)
As a F2P I hate how if I want to swap my teams around so my better built teams only tackle the 3/4th floor of each tower I gotta clear 1 + 2 with them then undo the clear? And I gotta go out of the tower to swap weapons around? It's such a waste of my time swapping shit around.
The guy is complaining that he can even swap things around because it's a waste of time 😅. Why not build every resonator so you don't share equipment so you don't waste your time swapping equipment
Would you rather not be able to? 😂 As an F2P you're rather sounding self entitled... Would you like to hire an assistant to swap your shit around for you?
@@MrMartindad How can one man have such a skill issue in the reading comprehension department it's insane
Plays genshin bro.. you can't swap there 😅😂 hahahahahaha much worse huh
I envy those who have Storekeeper😔... I don't get it how they can't even manage to 30/30 current ToA
shorekeeper is getting a rerun in 2.1
@@Reaper-fg9gh 2.3
@@asharme oof i was way off
Thank you
she aint properly built
I felt so called out when Saint said "why are we still using the thunder set on Yinlin" 🥺
When skill issue meets void-thunder-yinlin issues
Thank you for helping us clear this shit. But also, I think we should remain critical of the way that they're approaching difficulty. It's being done in such a way that favours some chars and cripples some others. Given how which chars you own is linked to how much you spend it's a relevant criticism. Now, you're the expert here in Wuwa, but that will never sway me to defend a corporation.
Kuro is not our friend. They're not even a person. They're a corporation. It's easy to forget that since they're trying to win our favour. But if we shower them only with praises then it's obvious what's going to happen. The purpose of a corporation is to make profit. And profit is linked to the surplus value created by labour working above and beyond what's needed to reproduce itself (ie how much they exploit their workers) and how much money we give them. We can only affect one of those. And I say that we need to be careful on how much money we give them.
That's to say: Kuro deserves our money for now. But we need to be critical of the company when they make these decisions. NOT critical of the players. Because if we're critical of the players then... well that's the exact argument Pokke made.
The jury's still out on this one, for me. I'm not happy with the changes, regardless of whether I can clear it or not. And yes, I was able to clear it without issue. But it doesn't matter, it doesn't change my perspective that there's something wrong with it. My brother cleared the last one and got stuck with this one, heavily. Why? Who knows.
Anyway, don't defend companies. Making Solon richer instead of Da Wei (is that his f**ing name? idk) is not gonna make a difference.
It’s not really hard but it just annoying that it depends so much on the modifiers since it takes forever to grind/level up 3 different teams at max level
But you don't even need 3 maxed out teams
Idk why these guys are crying over their clears. They have forgotten the good old gamer term "GIT GUD". No, I don't have sig weaps on all my DPS. My Jiyan is running a freaking BP weapon and got 3 stars in middle tower. Again, GIT GUD.
ToA was fine, it's an end-game mode, it's supposed to be tough to beat.
And it's getting harder because we are getting: more characters so more team possibilities, more stats due to better echoes because as time goes by... you build better echoes and ofc new echoes and sets. Kuro takes that into account and makes changes to ToA accordingly...
Skill and entitlement issues aside, build your characters better and no S6ing a character leaving you with 4-6 less variation in characters is a personal choice, so get used to the consequences of it.
5:57 nvm bro is ugrading the echoes, my dissapointment os immeasurable and my day is ruined 😔
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At this rate I need saint to roll my echoes for me so i can finally get double crit medium rolls for me, my luck aint doing it
do you plan on making guides of each character? like builds and that stuff? if not, is anyone you recomend with good guilds? tbh im a casual player but i would love to improve
I don't feel bad at all
when I failed 30/30 (only 29/30 so far)
I failed because pure "skill issue" Of mine & just need to play better next time.
It's not because I must pull another "godly support or bla bla" to clear the contents as the excuse. ☕
Based 🥂
I didn't even read the debuff but still cleared middle tower with camellya cause she's broken asf even with 10% debuff they said
SK - Camellya - Sanhua
SK - Jinhsi - Yinlin
So wait you’re saying i dont need broken supports to carry old characters?
@@CrowUIO you're a better player then, simple.
I need to do better.
Thanks for sharing.
@@azharhakim1930 kalo punya astrite mah pull ajah.
Kalo di case aku, kalah 50-50 di shorekeeper kmrin ya mau gimana? Pake yg ada dulu 🙂
The only players that can complain the toa is too hard to clear was in 1.0 where we had to play with lv70 Calcharo and Ancore to juice the fuck out of them. If they can't clear the tower with new limited characters, its purely skill issue. Not because of the devs.
It’s perfect ToA for me personally. A little challenge is good
adding debuff is not challenge, if u have carlotta u might be good, but try with encore and u will see how bad this is
is your team only encore team?
@@david_ace encore is still good as long as your sanhua is build, calcharo yinlin sk still can clear the crownless even with 10% electro resistance
@@david_ace sure. I'll try with Encore.
@@david_ace i tried with jiyan. But yeah I haven't tried with encore 😅
2:10 yes i have 3 standards where i am using a rectifier on zhezhi. The gun on Carlotta and Sk sig. Which i shouldn't have gotten but got lucky and I've been very lucky mostly in weapons tbh i have 3 sigs 3 Standards
22:15 when i saw Camellya hit for 400K I knew she was S2 because those numbers are similar to my S2 Camellya. Double Camellya on banner then grabbed s2 from shop.
no, its not, its a gacha game, there's hardly any skill. 95% of the time its either a character or a build issue, both are based on rng
TL;DR: I have 30/30'd the Tower but the 2nd Floor's stalling mechanic with the Elites spawning one by one instead of at the same time and the Boss's invulnerable state for the first 5 seconds is what made me struggle and learn to optimized my teams even further with Carlotta.
I have 30/30 the tower and my opinion in it is that Middle Tower especially the 2nd Floor has been a very bad experience for me due to:
- Elite enemies spawning one by one instead of at the same time which heavily screws you by making you waste your abilities and your first and second rotation before you could enter the actual boss fight.
- The boss has a very stupid Invulnerability state when he appears which is just a huge time waster since the clock is ticking despite being unable to do anything to the boss.
- The new X decrease resistance and X increase resistance is absolutely horrendous. If they think that the buff they it used to give (30% all attribute dmg) is a lot then they can just lower it instead of making other characters/teams deal less damage because of the X increased resistance.
Though the ToA being hard made me actually learn Carlotta and what best teams to use with her. I basically paired her up with almost all the 4 stars that have some sort of synergy with her. I struggled with needing Resonance Energy to keep her ult after every rotation so I paired her up with Yangyang but was lacking damage then I learned about the double intro rotation technique by Mr. Saintontas and it fixed my Carlotta's Resonance Energy problem so I instead opted for a faster rotation with Sanhua, Shorekeeper and it worked out well against Crownless since I rotate pretty fast and I keep triggering Intro Skills, I basically kept him at ground level at all times. For the 2nd Tower I used Taoqi which was her best f2p support (I don't have Zhezhi nor Verina) to deal with the fact that I couldn't use Shorekeeper anymore to buff my damage, I instead used Baizhi together with Taoqi and I was able to clear all the Elites in one rotation and dealt with the boss with approximately 2 seconds left for 3 stars.
i saw someone clear mid tower with aalto. aalto yes that aalto.
Cmon guys, some of ya'll just too lazy to do the ToA and took the opportunity to make him do it.
I completed toa for the first time this last week. And Imma be so fr. It do be a skill iss. But, that hazard tower? Thats some bs right there. Pure rng with those stupid fckn bear. Holy. IVE NEVER BEEN IN SO MUCH AGONY.
And they can cancel your animations as well 😭
Wuwa has a power creep problem only if you allow it to happen
Don't let the Pokke brainrot infect you
@@johnhallow he's kind of right though. this game mode is not skill based. it's more on gearing and characters. if this keeps up, he'll be totally right. and that' the worst.
@@childex3 the fact that we are clearing the "p2w" middle tower with less geared characters than the people who are complaining says something else.
@@childex3 It is skill based though? Doing your rotation perfectly and simply know your character is enough. I mean look, i even saw people cleared with Aalto
@@hendracs8264 it's definitely skill based. I watched a handholding ToA stream, a lot of Jiyan mains with actually pretty good stats 65-70 Crit 260-270 Crit DMG were struggling and can't clear middle towers with his perfect team Mortefi and Verina. It was super easy for the streamer, only needed 1 try
iam taking back my doubts iam sorry you clearly showed everyone that you are excellent, and more importantly that it is doable with very bad porrly builds. Well Played props up very impressive !!!
i spent 3 days getting 30/30
i cleared middle tower with 4* weapon carlotta and other bosses with xiangli yao btw
and i have literally every character in the game at that moment
im too lazy to build them 💀
@@Danilkou sounds like a personal issue, not with toa. 😂
@@rayzen119 its still possible to clear
that was the whole point
even tho i have bad echo stats
Which 4 star weapon are you using on carlotta
@ i was replying to your 2nd comment about being lazy to build characters. :))
I literally for fun clear this tower with chixia, the skill issue is clear for people who say is very hard ( i not saying that this tower is easy either)
Yeah I wanted to cry seeing how you play Changli and Chixia as well
Jianxin is a death sentence for sure though her abilities and concerto take way too long
man please... i really like your content usually. but stop the cap.
ToA is very hard unless you pull for character to clear, and not because you like them.
I can't even do 27 stars because not pull on jiyan or jinshi.. unless you think you can clear it with havoc MC without broken echos or chang li S0.. if you think you can clear it with my account i will share the info , even if i never did it before.
i assure you, Skill issue is absolutely a fact, i wont deny that.. but also you need the right characters and broken echo to do it.
If you pull only for characters you like and you happen to "not have the right ones with right element" you just can't 30/30
There are so many option tho? I dont even have Jiyan and Carlotta, not even Ze Zhi. Yin Lin + Xiang Li yao S0R1 and Cammelya + Sanhua S0R1 can clear it.
i mean, if you only pull for chars you like and you don't like Jinhsi you shouldn't be able to 30\30 ToA. Ppl who roll for meta have no problems, and ppl who doesn't can still clear depending on the chars they like, but it's entirely possible they never will be able to. And this is okay, they are playing their waifus and that counts anyway.
@@WastedTalent83 It is very possible to clear 30/30 with any dps in the game rn, you just have to know what you are doing.
@@hendracs8264 bullshit, like very big ones XD
There's already videos of toa 30/30 clear with all f2p characters (4 star characters and spectro mc). Caveat is that echos are properly built.
All these jinsie mains buying that bomb ass skin but have dog water echos? cmon. why you gotta do her like that yall!!!!
It's not fair to dismiss the inability to clear the latest Tower of Adversity cycle as a 'skill issue,' especially when players with optimized gear who previously cleared all the earlier cycles are now struggling. The real problem lies in the increased damage requirements. This cycle demands not only highly specific setups but also the use of signature gear and premium supports for DPS characters, making it particularly challenging for S0 Changli mains relying only on an Emerald R1. This isn't about player skill, it's about the game pushing resource-intensive builds. You can make the argument that emerald rover and sanhua with verina can clear this cycle comfortably, but it requires highly invested builds and sweaty playstyle which not many people have.
I think your main problem is that you using changli as a main, without her sig, her dupes and her future best buddy brant she is pretty much garbage. Encore will be far superior at this point
@glebscheglov9291 I'm not complaining due to myself not being able to clear this tower. I am able to clear this tower with my carlotta very easily. But my very well built changli can't, even with maxed out shorekeeper and sanhua/taoqi, this is what pisses me off. You see the problem now?
Now changli, who's next?
Just gidgud
@ i mean, as data from first time clears indicate - most dds can clear new ToA easily. So, don't you think that Changli is the actual problem here? And, the devs is dealing with this problem by adding brant to the game. So, now you can invest even more into her and i have a solid belief that after pulling her "fix" you would've smashed current tower to pieces. It's just some chars can get her lvl of dmg with 5 times less investment right now.
And, just out of curiosity - what do you consider to be "very well build" for a main dd?
90/290 with shorekeeper, 3000 atk, 8 10 10 10 8 talent, Double intro playstyle with sanhua. @@glebscheglov9291
i actually enjoy this TOA i actually strategized where i will put my team and does a lot of revision
I dont think saint will be able to clear with my account;
no shorekeeper, no zhezhi, no camellya, level 1 jiyan, level 1 Xiangli Yao, changli fully built with her sigwep, carlotta semi built with her sigwep, basically alot of 5* that is not built, and thats about it.
The Changli Slander is insane 😭
not only the skill issues but the diabolical account management as well
i would have nightmares logging into one of those accounts
its hard to take in but with those echos and character investments
i dont think some of those account deserve the clear
it feels kinda entitled to call this tower bad when you have characters build like that
50:12 this MF saving 7000 worth of energy FOR WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?
You do need some 5 star sequences and some signature weapons to clear it with some comfort, without struggle or strain, or many retries, at least having some ping issue and mid skill issue.
I've cleared it without Carlotta, just Jinshi team all the way in the middle tower.
Did the first 2-3 from the other towers with weaker teams like Calcharo, Encore, Havoc MC.
The rest Xiangli Yao+YunLin combo with lesser invested support like Yuan Wu
So from reading quite a few comments I’ve learned that: 1) People have only been playing for less than 3 months and somehow expect to clear END GAME CONTENT. 2) People are thinking this is Genshin, press a few Es and Qs here and there and think they can just BS their way through END GAME content not realizing that this game is skill based and more interactive, needing to learn rotations. 3) People aren’t building echoes correctly just dumping their exp into horrible rolls and getting upset they ran out of said exp and bricked their account. 4) Thinking they need 3 teams to clear ToA and need to whale in order to do so which is not the case. I’m sure there’s more but I’m flabbergasted lol. Just have patience people. Roll and build better. Learn rotations.
in Genshin it took me around 5 month to have my first cleared, in Wuwa i got my first cleared in 1.1, it's like 2 month or less
I finally got 30-30, with less than 2 seconds to spare and multiple attempts. gawd dam bird just wouldn't stay still.
You are gonna eat me alive if i send you my mobile gameplay 😂😂😂
i don't understand half of the comments here. Why are they complaining about end game content being hard? Isn't that what endgame is supposed to be?
ToA has always been awful.
Yes, this reset was worse than the previous ones.
Yes, my main problem is I am not sweaty enoigh and don't plan to become such a player any time soon.
@28:59 Everyone saying the account is successful because it's whaled. Seriously? I whaled on 2.0 and I can't get more than 15 out of 30. Skill matters, I"m negative proof.
me who always got 28/30 i'm ok having skill issue rather than being stress not clearing the ToA HAhahaha
I'm F2P with a skill issue but still managed to get 30/30. Moreover, despite the 10% increased resistance on Electro, I still managed to clear the Hazard Tower - Floor 1 with Xiangli Yao, Yinlin, and SK with all being S0. His build isn't even that great, if not at all (66% CR, 274% CD).
People make it a big deal more than it actually is. Or maybe it is just the case of a skill issue.
I think the moral of the story is that "End Game" is meant for people who are at "End Game" with their teams.
Characters and Weapons Lv90, Core Talents Lv10, and Echoes Lv25 with the correct main stats (reroll for better subs once the slot is at least filled).
30/30 may still be "possible" before that, as we can see with the 2 hours of proof above, but shouldn't be "expected". I'd say aiming for lower milestones like 21/30, then 24/30, then 27/30 is a more realistic expectation for folks still building their teams.
I'm still totally against the ToA change, I'd much rather it go back to +30% All Attribute because there's more freedom in letting you bring who you want to bring, but the tower is most certainly still clearable even without the featured 5-Stars as long as you max out your team and get mediocre Echo rolls. I think there are a lot of cases where folks would have fully cleared if the +30% All Attribute blessing still existed, and I imagine that's where a lot of frustration comes from because the margin for error is smaller now for seemingly no reason.
Still-clearable or not, I think they should undo the ToA change and implement the "higher difficulty End Game content" as more permanent floors in the Overdrive Zone instead of in the bi-weekly resetting tower. I did manage to 30/30 this rotation with relatively no issues, but the nerf to the first blessing felt quite unnecessary when the second blessing already exists to make the Featured Units shine during their banner period, doubling down is a bit overkill.
Is there a chance the buffs and debuffs in the middle tower are based off of the most/least used elements from the previous tower to try to create diversity? Havoc and Electro sound about right with everyone using Camellya and Xiangli Yao.
If next patch is Glacio and Aero/Spectro, We can figure it's from how many people used Carlotta and Jiyan/Jinhsi
This entire play through is mad funny 😂 also seeing the chat somehow surprised that Saint can play Changli well is so funny 😂
bruuhhh running on Naked Sanhua & Yinlin....maybe my Jiyan is not yet fully built huhuhu need to reroll
i was stuck at mephis for a week was about 10 second off from a 3*, took the week to learn how to play Carlotta Changli quick swap correctly because i dont have Zhezhi, cleared it today with 20 seconds remaining. That team really is the definition of a skill issue. then funny enough i got Zhezhi rite after from a single.
Settled for 27 stars. Don't want to stress myself over that measly reward .
I wish kuro would make another non repeatable TOA difficulty using Hologram move set. That would be fire.
18:57 damn the skin actually looks fire
you know why players don't have a sig on their main dps? Its clear a lot of them have brain rot where you shouldn't pull for sigs and instead get characters. We had so many re-runs they should at least have 3 sigs by now and the weapon banner is legit 100% so there is no 50/50 idk why ppl are complaining
Just admit you have a skill issue its fine to admit that, and just get better.
4:56 yesh that looks like my build , if tgat clears middle tower with sanhua SK, then i got new motivation to try toA again
It is difficult but not impossible. You need to use different element unlike people who force their fight against crownless using camellya 😅
I'll agree to a lesser degree that it is a bit of a Skill Issue; the main reason being is that while I do have Carlotta & her best team; I've geared + given Echoes Lotta & Zhezhi to a point where they can 2 Man the Middle Tower.
This leaves my Shorekeeper fully available to help Jinhsi & Camellya to fully finish up the 4th Node of each Left & Right Tower. I should be able to take the time during the rest of this Tower's Duration & clear that 30/30.
This tower is the first tower i was able to get 30/30.
I have to say, the tower was never my focus and I just want to level all characters I like and get their reputation to max. However, I was able to get 6 stars on the middle tower with Carlotta and Zhezhi after only a few tries. So then I invested a bit of time farming and levelling echoes my changli and camellia and an hour later I got my first 30/30.
Okay, the damage from the account midway through the video really was cute. If even that account clears it's really not that bad.
You can clear middle tower floor 1 with xiangliyao team and middle tower floor 2 with havoc rover team. They are just looking for an excuse. Skill issue is the real reason they cant beat it
Yeah, its pretty balanced with how it is. Can be improved and its kuro games so they'll
But people really just want it easy and want to complain.
Anyways, thanks again for being the good cc of wuwa
What people want is to not have the characters they pulled for the patch before being targeted in particular the patch immediately after so they are harder to clear with, while having the new one in the banner make it a cakewalk because it feels they got scammed and being pushed to pull for a new character (that they might not want to pull or just couldn't)
@ There is pathetic 10% res man, what are you talikng about? So, for all previous ToAs you had 30% buff to anything and it was okay. But now you have insignificant joke-of-a-res of 10% and suddenly it's unplayable? I bet 95% of ppl who can't beat it now, wouldn't be able to beat if this res is removed, coz they weak teams was carried by powerfull buffs from 1.x ToAs.
@@grogash90 that's just how it is bro. Check out PGR or even Hi3 or zzz. Bosses have always been resistant to atleast one element, are you saying people are gonna use xly or Camellya on heron(havoc) or Memphis(electro)?
Just because it's stated in toa now makes it a bad thing?
@ I wasn't talking about bosses being resistant to one element, I was talking about the debuff from the ToA on top of it. But it's not even the debuff itself or just the bosses on its own, it's the fact they combined the two so if you do want to use the characters from the last banners your life will be much harder than if you pulled on anything else is the issue. I don't think that the new way to handle the ToA buff/debuff in the middle tower is bad in a vacuum either, but I think it's just too early to apply, I would like to see that once at least 2 limited DPS of each element got released so everyone had the chance to lose a 50/50 / skip a character they didn't like and pull for the other to cover their basis, and maybe having the buffs/debuffs being incrementally stronger to warn the players that is a transition from the old system is going to happen and you'll need more than 2/3 elements would have been a better way to handle it, just in general a less abrupt and sudden change to get used to the new system.
In short, the situation they created for which the player's last pulls feel much less valued is what makes the players feel bad, it's not that is unclearable (I did in fact use XY and Camellya in middle tower because I had nothing else), it's the transparent intention from the devs to make your life harder than it needs to be that feels bad. I don't think it will be a trend for that matter, but it did feel bad for this cycle at the very least
@@grogash90 Yeah, it might feel pretty bad when your newest units dont do well in hardest content.
But im pretty sure that most people wouldn't just have 2-3 dps, and if they only got xy and camellya from last banner, then they're probably too new to expect full clear.
As for the route they've taken, that is to debuff certain elements.
Thats a good way to counter units like camellya blasting through all the content.
Or would you rather have some absurd hp inflation?
And you can see from saint's video, he was able to clear it. So can anyone else.
This is wuthering waves(a lil bit of skills and brain should be used), wouldn't a bit of challenge be fun? Or would you like something like neuvillette or acheron scenario?
Just think about, this feels like the right way to do powercreep or whatever that issue is.
A content where 1.4 dps is much harder to use than a 1.0 dps(jiyan).
Anyways, congratulations on clearing middle floor
I saw that one guy solo the entire tower, one character per level. Spectro Rover, Danjin and Chixia.
I am just a skill issue.
okay but like those viewer accounts are disgusting no?
if you are not putting in the effort to build your characters, you dont get the privilege of complaining about TAO being hard or anything else in that matter
im tired of people crying and when you look at their account, they have a single crit roll on a 5piece
i have invested more than 3k tuners on EACH dps character in wuwa and im STILL trynna make them better whenever i got the spare time
Loved this video ❤.make more vid like this
Gosh almost all of these viewers are just lazy.. y'all blessed with good characters and weapons so for the love of god do some effort moving echos and try watching toa clears and learn their rotations.
1:06:36 I tried Jihnsi, Yuanwu, and Verina here... 3 star but super clutch so I won't recommend it
For me who doesn't want to put the work in it's to hard, I see it beeing possible, but to frustrating for me to get there
you Always forget to realize.. that because YOU can finish it it doesn't make doable for everybody else.. you cannot generalize it as "doable" because you a CC that put a lot of effort into the game and is good/very good at playing it because of that, then think "everybody should be able to" its not that hard..
That's like saying why don't you buy expensive things ? you just need a better job!! not everybody can get that "better job" and its not always their fault for it.
and im not here to say i don't like ToA to be hard.. in fact i do. can't care less i can't clear it, i just have more motivation to make my character stronger and get better at the game myself.. BUT at the same time i have to tell you what i think, and that the ToA is VERY hard unless you are extremely good at the game, and also have broken echo stats.
Of course, but you need to understand that most of these accounts are not properly built so it's on them whom cannot manage their resources. And that is why they can't do it.
Also gitgud
If you have skill issue than you can compensate with good builds, if you don't have good echoes you can compensate with quick-swaps, cancels and other sweaty tricks, if you have neither you can p2w. If you don't spend money or time to learn the game or build your characters why are you complaining?
@@randomdude3798 not really.. no amount of swap or cancel can close the gap between crappy echo or skill issue. same for skilled players, they can be as skilled as they want, but if they don't get lucky with good echo they have to rely on the wallet with S1 or S2 character etc.. cmon guys its so hard to be honest? Just cause you can do it doesn't make it "its totally doable" there are lots of stuff that have to align to be "totally doable" Sure.. with lot of effort and hours upon hours of try and retry you can do it, but , i want the content to be hard, not stressful.
its not like they have to bring down the difficulty by a lot. just a tas, because honestly most of the time itsd like 10-15% bosses hp.
It took me getting yinlin & xiangli yao in 1.2, havoc rover & changli , and jianxin for stage 2 & 3 to full clear TOA. Ever since I made two strong steams I would 30/30 easily every reset. Personally it was the overdrive zone I kept at 29/30 until I got camellya
Certain people just need to be grateful that they can still play the game Instead of bitching and mourning all the time
Turns out the guys who were complaining didn't build their characters.
XD. At this point its not even skill issue its iq issue
what people fail to realise is that its end game content for a reason. it encourages players to build their characters and learn the games mechanics in which people clearly need when they have less than 50/200 rate/dmg (btw u get 150% free crit dmg + more depending on talents) “but im sooo unlucky” how are u unlucky on 10000 of echos? keep in mind all echoes dont even need to have both crit rate and dmg as u can clearly see in this video. yall just hate grinding and blame that on wuwa like every single game don’t require u to grind like what are u playing that dont require u to grind? those games that do everything for u whilst u stay afk? dont play and blame wuwa for not being one of those games + if u dont wanna grind u can uk, just avoid the tower? and why yall act like ur forced to use that certain element against bosses with that element resistance??😭 its even funnier when they play one of mihoyo games especially genshin (i saw a genshin player complain about the tower btw), like genshin dont have resistance too but they just dont state it they expect u to know, why do yall think eula is known as bad despite being a op nuke. ya allowed to have opinions and complain but dont blame wuwa for ur own skill issue
Chixia slander got me malding xdd
Middle tower not giving universal buffs now made people realise the power level of their account and/or skill.
it's really skill issues am f2p and i have no actual teams exept mybe jinshi mortefi verina is my only proper team i cleared the whole tower with dual dps comps NO quickswap and on mobile not even on pc sorry guys it's truly skill issues
I am on mobile. Wrong server. I should have chosen SEA but i am in asia and my ping is 300+ms Even though it took me 2 days to learn quick swapping which is not really flashy quick swapping but I've learnt how to fill concerto fast while rotation
@Kai_jin18 that's good :D
skill issue and patience issue bro
You can clear the abyss in GI with 4*character and weapon (well build) no matter how much hard the abyss is, But there's no way you can do that in WUWA TOA......
ruclips.net/video/F1VXQBqjKPM/видео.htmlsi=ZWBsHPlVKSRiTTtN really? What can you say about this guy then?
do we get the same exp for selling echoes rather using them directly for levelling up an eccho ?
No. A little less than directly from Sealed Tubes Exp
@ that’s was not the question
It’s about lvling echoes with other echoes vs selling them cuz I didn’t even know that u get stuff back for selling
@不死鳥ATC Oh, my bad. Didn't know you also got the exp back when you sell echoes.
@@wyspreegamings yeah in the video he does it in the beginning haha
You get 70% of the exp used, lesser tuners tho sadly when you recycle
playing with phone deal 50% less damage , I'm dead serious
Then there's those of us who really only got started on console because our computers couldn't handle the game. Sure my Carlotta/Zezhi/Verina team is cool. Trying to get Calcharo or Rover to carry their own teams to success at only level 70 is a different issue.