He contradicted himself. He said restriction breeds creativity, and WuWa's combat was too open. Then later on he says WuWa's combat is too restrictive, which is bad. Which is it?
Its things like that that made me think its a bad satire video. Same as the clip with him saying you can blindfold and clear in wuwa but not zzz but that very video was after the countless zzz blindfolded clears
to be fair, he has barely played wuwa, this is purely based off dudes gameplay and discussion points. he barely knows what he is saying when talking about wuwa
Maybe because one attack and one crit defines wether you clear ToA or not or even 1 secons of a buff does the same . Or maybe i am the one who is playing Jinshi wrong
What's your team? I play Jinhsi/SK/Mortefi on both middle tower of ToA and I cleared both in a minute and 30. mortefi doesn't buff any of Jinhsi's damage type btw. It's just Mortefi allow you to roatate to Jinhsi 2x in your team rotatio.@@owenramos5932
That's an insult to chat GPT. At least AI generated text will focused on topics they present, but this guy focuses on what to say next to sound smart without actually saying anything nor supporting prior statements. He was probably just high when he made his script lol
Yeah.. I just wandering something, if this HSR 3.0 Situation keep happening, then The Main Story of each Patch will took about more than 10 Hours with full of Yapping and Bunch of Rooms Puzzles...
@@Sergmanny46 Level 70😂 There was only one moment when his character levels were on screen. He even hides his damage numbers to avoid showing how poorly his characters are built.
Being a guy who leans towards style-play instead of optimal-play, I've checked HC Casual's videos, and found that he actually did seemingly make some videos that actually go a little more in-depth with a couple character movesets (eg: Billy's mobility from his attack>directional movement) in his channel. He also ends most of it with a stylish action-esqe combo clip to demonstrate the combo potential of ZZZ's combat (his pinned video for non-subscribers is even specifically a ZZZ combo video). So he's actually a little more better than I had initially believed him to be ...Which *actually makes it even more baffling* when somehow, despite being the same guy who **literally** said "If it's different, start digging. It's the same logic I use for every action game I play" in his first ZZZ character gameplay slight-breakdown video (and 2nd video in his channel), he... **does not** do what he proclaimed to do with ZZZ's combat with WuWa's. The issues he's listed about WuWa feeling as if it's stifling on his player expression creativity loses its weight considering those issues also applies for ZZZ as well, if not even a little more than WuWa even I'd argue due to how the enemy's "Daze gauge" (ZZZ's stagger gauge) lets the player do higher damage on them once its maxed. (I have an even lengthier explanation regarding it. I'll share if anyone here wishes to see it. Don't wanna make this response of mine a lot longer than it needs to be) He ignores the variety of echoes usable when equipped as the main echo to scratch that style-play itch he's having, had a pretty formulaic-mindset on how the overall combat design works instead of "digging" further like what YAKURU, GameBreakerGod, and NSora had demonstrated and easily done what HC Casual, a self-proclaimed "5000+ hr DMC Player" (according to the thumbnail of his video titled "Miyabi is the Perfect Disappointment..." where he talks about his slight gripes of Miyabi's gameplay design being a little too simplistic to let gacha players do optimal damages easily without much moveset variation) couldn't do, and acted as if we haven't already got solo-runs (not even Danjin Solo-runs at that. Someone literally did a F2P Yangyang solo-run against Hologram Sentry Construct VI ruclips.net/video/DFyfy_83NZM/видео.html , and another did a F2P Aalto solo-run against that same boss in the same difficulty ruclips.net/video/PnGPvkxFGEA/видео.html ) proving his point of "feeling as if he has to play optimally" wrong. And when you think about it, those solo-runs are effectively handicaps that mainly prevents the player from making use of Intro Skills (which helps with damaging a large chunk of the enemy's "Vibration Strength"/stagger gauge) and Outro Skills, so you could easily imagine that even a sub-optimal team of well-geared characters can take down some of the most difficulty contents against all odds. Meaning we really *CAN* play the way we want in Wuthering Waves! Again. I'm saying all of this as a style-play focused guy. Not a optimal-play focused guy. Under the comment section of his video, one guy even pointed out how HC Casual was really just playing WuWa in a very robotic and optimal manner, and encouraged him to stop giving a crap about those and actually just *play* the way he wants. So at this point the video is really just more about HC Casual's own problem rather than WuWa's. (Also, him using that blindfolded Fallacy Hologram run to try to prove one of his point... it's so disingenuous...)
Basically “ZZZ combat is better because the mechanical skill ceiling is so low that it can still make me look good playing it despite just button mashing 2 buttons” LMAO
Yup this is what my take as well. A non sweaty player will play basically the same as a sweaty player in zzz. But put both type of player in wuwa, zzz HI3 PGR and AG you will see the difference
@@mauronoacontaldomurgia8476 no the difference is the is little players skill expression in zzz. You spam one button and your Characters do shit that takes multiple practice in games like Wuwa/PGR/AG to do.
I've been waiting for your reaction. This guy starts off by saying it's not ragebait, and what did he do? Yes, rage baiting for over 20 minutes, combined with yapping in perfect Paimon language and the worst thing false statements to misrepresent wuwa. I'm not a disliker, but his video is begging to be disliked.
I think people are just out here saying shit for attention at this point. I watched this already and the guy edges the audience and doesn't make a point for at least 10 minutes into the video.
He said at the end "I'd like to hear your thoughts too" but the man deleted the comments disagreeing with him and roasting him lol He deleted all of @KamiGemaGaming comments in his video just because he was losing an argument
bro said FF16 is shallow and DMC5 is too overwhelming...worst take I heard. Edit: I played DM5 on K&M which is harder to do combos on. Still managed to do combos, but not insane ones. Its a great game, every casual can play it. You also have assistance which you can turn on and spam your mouse click, the game does your combos for you if you dont wanna git gud or you dont have the time to do so which is understandable. But dont yap that DMC5 is overwhelming. You can play it however you want, start with some easy combos first, get into complex ones later. Next I expect from this guy to say that Elden Ring combat its too difficult and there should be an easy mode like every game journalist. Also FF16 has same assistance mode where you can equip some rings and the game does your combos, those were made for guys like him. Never tried ZZZ, I am downloading now the game and I will make my own opinion.
@@Tissuestrash The amounts of combos you can perform on Dante is mind blowing as well as progressing difficulty to the point even with Vergil you are struggling to move forward
@ I am seeing the same wuwa dudes yap about how combat is so easy and powecreep destroyed zzz so nothing personal just redemption and how zzz will eos soon cuz its hoyo so ? Yap like 10th time that day ? But yeah you only see me - nice - mf below me brought powercreep = combat take and its majority of comments from you guys? Nice too def not biased mfs, def majority of Wuwa players take revolve around two things: powercreep or eosing or saying with 100% certainty that it will become shit cuz its hoyoverse in general when it comes to zzz
I’m a huge fan of DMC, I remember that lol The irony of him shitting on FF16 when it has a more dmc style battle system (albeit slower) was peak irony too Or shitting on relink of all things I think his goal was just to piss as many people off as he could
I'm not the biggest DMC fan but I did play games like DMC 3 ,4 and a bit of 5. The game isn't even that hard to pick up. Getting good at the game, learning the combos, playing optimally and getting that smoking sexy style is a different story entirely though but the skill floor isn't as overwhelming as the video makes it out to be. At least in my experience. I haven't played FF16 yet but I believe it's more accessible than DMC because it's a Final Fantasy game which is a JRPG. Its audience is generally different from those who play DMC. Some elements had to be retained otherwise it wouldn't be Final Fantasy.
and Wuwa too tbh. I played a lot of DMC, Wuwa has more elements from it but it just doesn't play like it (for now)/ ZZZ is automatically out by the simple fact that it has no jump button and button mashing (which doesn't work in DMC unless you enable it). I love ZZZ but man i was sincerely exhausted of the morons going "WWOOOOW MIYABI IS VERGIL DAUGHTER , ITS LIKE DMC !" when she has ONE MOVE like him but plays absolutely nothing like him. Its ok to feel hyped, and even say "i love the inspiration". But to have the guts to say "its like DMC" ??? seriously, these people needs to touch grass
This guy is a nerd. And I mean a real condescending one. I think if he wants to criticize the game criticize it with good discussions but this guy isn’t even cooking. Most of the time he isn’t even getting his points across. And it’s just a very bad critique of the game. This guy should just go back to school or something.
You can't even say it's a critique. He wants the gabe to be as simplistic as possible is the worst way of critiquing a game. He just said his preference and forced it as criticism.
Cant blame him bruh. We cant shit on the traversal and music of wuwa anymore. So target the combat instead and make it nonsense. We just got an update from the hoyobot manual.
That HC dude wasted our time wtf. HC's take is biased, full of shit and ego take. I don't really get what's the problem of wuwa's combat that he's talking about, it is just beating around the bush and manufacturing a problem that he doesn't know in what the hell is he talking about. I don't think he genuinely likes or love playing wuwa. I prefer him to just quit wuwa and go back to his mid-game brain-dead game and stick to that and never make a wuwa content. Just lock in to zzz end of the story. But he didn't he wasted our time wth.
also probably the type of guy to spam longsword spirit blade all day and praise it for being the most well thought out and engaging weapon in existence
I haven't played it in years, has the meta gameplay moved away from: ult + skill and regenerate energy passively as you're cycling through the characters?
@@squashn.695 of course not...what are they a Billion-dollar company or creative company?lol if they can get away with selling slop they will sell slop.
@@squashn.695 yes now you just stack more ring and afk ;) no i am joke they put more attack to sp to change typr of buff like xilonen. Dont called them not creative when sanhua good because he work like genshin character, fast go, use skill and fast get out. Losing time on ground not mean that good or creative
@@DartNguyen lol Sanhua is good not because she works like a Genshin character. She's good because she has a quick concerto generation. She's the opposite of a Genshin character cause she literally has a mini-rhythm-game in her kit. You have to think and time it, unlike in Genshin where you just almost always click and forget.
Did this guy really say that ZZZ has more engaging enemies you have to interact with, while WuWa's enemies are static and basically punching bags for your combos? That is absolutely wild, and I feel like that should have been addressed. ZZZ does have some good bosses, but you can literally just use Caesar and ignore the enemy with shield + stagger immunity. And WuWa has some very aggressive bosses that you need to respect unless you're completely overleveled. Has he actually fought any hologram 6? (Well, I guess he's underleveled for that, so maybe he hasn't tried)
I beated Holograms 6, you just need to get ready Carlotta's liberation and with Zhezhi ready to outro with haren and it is cleared in 10 seconds. With construct i did with Jinhsi
Exactly, he purposefully doesn't reveal his statuses and hp bar throughout the entire video which tells you a lot about how genuine the guy is with his takes. Hell, he probably even hasn't tried out holo6 Memphis yet.
@@owenramos5932I guess you used s6 characters? Cause that's the only thing that possible to clear holo 6 that fast, even that, each holo boss has different hp quantity, like aix has the least hp even on holo 6 Even still, holo 6 bosses have new busted moveset you can't simply tank since all will one to two shots your characters no matter if you s0 or s6
@hxppythxughts7149 sorry, i meant lvl 5 holograms. I forgot they just have 6 stages. Echoes, signature weapons and S0 do the trick. I did a few of 6 stage holograms and they were almost the same with 1 or 2 added rotation. Once you know their combos is a matter of time to beat them a guess.
Any idea why people really loves about Danjin, like "Danjin is really hard" or "Danjin main is different breed" stuffs, other than her low hp playstyle ?
@@vyamayuri Probably because of her playstyle's emphasis on combos and forte gauge. Danjin isn't just low HP, she is NO HP without proper combos. One mistake and it is all gone.
Bro has hundreds of hours playing WuWa as he claims but I'm sure half of it are just sitting idle. No shot with the gameplay footage and the "critics" of his is based on those supposedly hundreds of hours playing and engaging with the game's combat. Dude is drunk and thought he was cooking.
I never understood why everyone praises the combat system in Zenless so much, lol. PGR was released long before it and in my opinion the combat there is much cooler - just find me at least one character from Zenless which could be compared to Alpha Crimson Weave / Alpha Crimson Abyss
Agreed I honestly didn’t play zzz but for real PGR have good and interesting (in its own way) gameplay and what I love about PGR is its logical powercreep and complexity of characters
@ it’s more likely because HI3 is 2016 it’s mostly under radar as “old” game Plus similarities between ZZZ and PGR Also maybe partially PGR appeared to others after wuwa announcement/release as kuro was seen as hoyo competitor I personally see ZZZ as a mix of HI3 and PGR
@@justadude189 And? Does this somehow negate the fact that in terms of combat (I will be honest - not only in terms of combat) PGR, which was released much earlier, is still better than Zenless, which was released just recently?
4:11 dude said that zzz is amazing and that wuwa is coming up short but can't point out what about wuwa is lacking, "its bad, trust me bro"..... i mean i love wuwa but i know exactly where its lacking for me, not enough meaningful non time gated content. i simply want to play the game more, but there is a limit to progression after you have 100% all maps, all events, and all achievements as they come out. i feel like hard engaging repeatable content is lacking, i would love for another ToA or illusive realm type game mode that is completely separate and resets either weekly or bimonthly.
this why hoyo getting lawsuit bcoz they targeting children making there game so simple enough so even a young child can play it very well😂 well its people mind just want simple and easy stuff to do but simple and easy is not always better 😅
Please calm down... I love both games, but Wuwa players at large are just more obnoxious. They're both games meant to be compatible with mobile and for the most part share the same level of input options. Both games have: Basic attack Heavy attack (ZZZ is limited to certain charecters while Wuwa has it on all despite the fact you never use it on most) Special Attack Charged Special Attack (EX Sepcial in ZZZ and concerto special that is either tied to special attack or heavy attack) Time slow dodge Parry system Charecter swapping system (in Wuwa it's the Intro/Outro system, in ZZZ it's the parry, quick assist and chain attack system) Ultimate abilities Supportive buffs (in Wuwa it is primarily tied to the Outro skills, while in ZZZ it's tied to team comp and EX Special) Quick swapping and animation canceling is possible in both games Aerial combat in Wuwa is negligible as it is only really present with Changli, Jhinsi and Camellya (No a singular generic thrust attack does not count as aerial combat) Both games are expanding and evolving, they are just focusing a different aspects of the combat. Wuwa felt hard because the echo system and resonator building is shit, but once your leveled and geared it's just a matter of not getting one-shot if you are doing the holograms. ZZZ used to be just about getting an S within the time limit (which is easy or hard depending on the agent you use), but now they're increasing the difficulty with Deadly Assault and Endless tower with more to come as as Wuwa. It's fine to like one or the other and it's fine to like both... Stop being obnoxious for a glorified mobile game because you want to feel good about yourself.
@Grey-po3lz why are you mad bro? are you the one who made the video? why do you assume i dont play both? obnoxious? maybe you should tell that to yourself. i play both since day 1, and no i dont play them on mobile, but on pc. and no i dont need these games to feel good, i have backlogs of games for pc and console, im probably gaming before you were even born, if you want sweat try battle toads, im just stating facts based on the context of the video, crying while trying hard to be neutral. pathetic kid.
@@Grey-po3lz If you think that this comment is obnoxious and frame all wuwa player as obnoxious then not only did you miss the point of the comment but you don't even understand what you're talking about let me lay it out for you 1. The comment is not about comparing the game but pointing out the contradiction on HCC takes at the difference of both games 2. The input options you mention the BA and HA and skills are a Standard in fighting games the EX and Concerto DOESN'T work the same way you shouldn't put it side to side hell even putting Forte circuit there doesn't make it any better and The first two paragraph you yap about TOTALLY contradict what you said in the last which to me it looks like you can't make up your mind and just wanted to call some random wuwa fan and THE LARGE PORTION of it obnoxious. TLDR; YOU are the one being obnoxious here not him.
@Grey-po3lz why are you mad bro? are you the one who made the video? why do you assume i dont play both? obnoxious? maybe you should tell that to yourself. i play both since day 1, and no i dont play them on mobile, but on pc. and no i dont need these games to feel good, i have backlogs of games for pc and console, im probably gaming before you were even born, if you want sweat try battle toads, im just stating facts based on the context of the video, crying while trying hard to be neutral. pathetic little kid.
@@VOlDZzSlayer Firstly this exact comment is one of several ones that are more or less the same word for word. Secondly Wuwa players in comment sections and content creators on avarge tend to be more obnoxious about the "complexity" of the game hence why negative edge meme was born and the fact that you mention how superior the game is whenever it's compared to another game. The Concerto system on paper sounds more complicated, but in reality you just fill your bar and use it. In ZZZ I said it's tied to the EX Special due to the energy requirement, but in reality it's split between the EX Special and the "Adiditonal Ability" triggered by meeting team requirements such as Lycaons Ice RES shred on EX Special. I like both games and in reality I spend more time playing Wuwa because it's an open world game, but no they are not complicated enough to warrant that attitude and after watching several videos on the game or comparisons, yes I can say that I find Wuwa "players" and content creators to be more obnoxious about a mobile game...
I wanna like ZZZ, and I do enjoy the story but the units are too similar. Hayamusa is fun though and they should progress in that direction and make units playstyles distinct.
What's weird too is that the energy system is really just a cooldown system with extra steps. It's literally meant to do the same thing which is stop you from spamming skills. Energy, mana, cooldown etc. It's all the same thing
Bro trolled us so hard with the 46 minute chat gpt video. So glad he felt the need to redo his intro 5 times and leave each of them in the video. Real professional RUclipsr here, I see great mediocrity in his future.
I’m more annoyed with him slandering dmc, relink, and ff16 than with his braindead take on zzz vs wuwa I think they’re both fun, and different enough Tbh zzz combat is more similar to PGR’s or HI3 than to Wuwa in the first place Also somehow his delivery is more grating than I can even properly explain
Yeah Relink being a bad design because it has long cooldowns? In a game where basic character kits are the bread and butter? The guy must be out of his mind
@@mites7 Its a really good game if you like the gearing system of Monster Hunter. I poured in more than 600 hours and it was a great fun even after all that time.
Tell me you ve never played the game without telling me so... ZZZ enemies are more aggressive than Holo6 and there are way less s and more animation locks. If you just spam left click you are toast in endgame content. Edit: I have video proof on my latest youtube video that I have cleared all endgame content in both games and how ZZZ is more punishing (when not using easy mode chars like Ceasar and Miyabi). Keep yapping without actually having played ZZZ endgame and you will go far as a community, truly disgusting attitude reminiscent of a certain other... You were supposed to destroy the toxic hoyoshills, not join them!
@@Windman1995 every enemies has yellow flash and red flash,also they have red line showing they will attack you so yeah,add minus dodge or spacebar,he's right thou,lol
@@dedcet634 The endgame tower removes indicators at a certain floor levels so you have to learn the enemies actions before hand or you die to one shots. Seems like a lot of these opinions come from people still doing the casual aspects of the game.
In summary, he has skill issues and it is because he is casually playing the tryhard part of the game with absurdly underleveled units, hoping to do something without knowing a thing about what he's doing. Basically comparing the fight of a game of the type "press button like crazy" to a fight of the type "you can press like crazy, but sometimes you will have more things to worry about, so dont get accustomed to press like crazy"
just one thing i got from HIM, he sucks on wuwa (character building, each character play style, all rotation) and he claimed that he understand how to play. He's nonsense🤡🤡
for me ZZZ: animation jelly is unique charater have really, really flashy move skill, combine with bloom setting is hurt the eye but is not deep like wuwa
@@apolon_ex compared to what? Compared to ZZZ it is much more deeper but their targeted audience is different so it is understandable. Bro throwing random shi without explaining anything.
@ where's this depth is exactly? it's the same button mashing as zzz, without proper attack combo system, zero variety in teams I looked at endfield combat and it's more deep than wuwa by a mile also i can't just compare zzz to wuwa, too different playstyles, wuwa is more relaxed, zzz is just "try to survive" where enemies wont stop attacking you
@apolon_ex zzz fanatics think precise parry, tight dodge timing which require reaction and knowledge of the enemies attack pattern is simpler than spamming 2 button to attack with soo forgiving timing to dodge and parry, automated parry mechanic, less fighting style variation and movesets that makes you feel the same playing with almost every characters which is getting old fast after a while. it's crazy how you say very casual combat game like zzz has deeper combat mechanic than wuwa
Hoyo does a great job of making you feel like you are good at the game without being good at actually playing. Coming from Genshin to Wuwa at launch it took time for me to adjust bc boy oh boy it was a whole new world to get used to. It’s not like Genshin was the only mobile game I played either. I played/pvp in Stella Arcana for a year prior to Genshin, I played Diablo/PVP Immortal for a year, still play League of Legends Wild Rift to this day. So yea I have a lot of experience with different types of mobile fighting games. Hoyo markets itself to casuals for broader audience and to earn as much money as possible. If you say it’s combat is better ok just understand it’s better for casual gameplay/game players. While Wuwa you can still play it casually and even the combat can be casual/semi casual. But it offers the ability to go a step beyond and do quick swaps to make it way more intense and sweaty.
It's interesting that he mentions that you can and should basically ignore enemies in WuWa, when that literally defines my ZZZ gameplay with all their s and shields. Ultimately, both games are very similar. You build up energy (concerto), use your abilities and rotate your team to buff the main dps during the damage window, and then do your damage cycle. Rinse and repeat. Many action games can be boiled down to this loop. Monster Hunter, Granblue, FF16, and on and on. Bro is definitely a professional yapper lol video optimized for engagement
I love how he called himself *“combo-obssessed”* during his intro and proceeded to make a rant about how pressing buttons in order to make optimal damage is bad.
32:30 In the Monster Hunter community we call that "The Dance". You ARE supposed to be doing optimal damage and cooldown / charge management while dodging and blocking a walking apocalypse, that's what is fun about it
Lol a lance has more depth than a majority of whole wuwa teams. In MH, people barely understand the limits of their weapon dozens of hours in, meanwhile in WuWa you can learn the ins-and-outs of quickswapping echoes and skills in half an hour, and a character specific rotation in 1/3 of that. and unless they really know what the boss is going to do moveset wise in MH - they can abuse them. I would bet a majority of people here could put a blindfold on and clear the middle tower with xly, carlotta, jinhsi hypercarry team just on sound-cues. In WuWa, and honestly PGR is like this with gen 2+ units - I'm always going to be doing the optimal rotation with the current hypercarry teams. There is little to no deviation or brainpower output unless I'm going out of my way to play a changli dual quickswap team optimally or I'm playing 4-5dm calcharo. also, Is there even a dance when the newest Tactical Holograms don't reach the level of threat of even a non-furious rajang? WuWa dodges are extremely forgiving (literally x2 the i-frames as a dark souls dodge). A dude beating a MH boss flawlessly is impressive. beating a ToA boss flawlessly - perfect rotations is just another tuesday.
@@eskel7867 I like Wuthering waves do not get me wrong, but gacha players zzz wuwa whatever would break their neck looking at the monster hunter skill ceiling hahaha.
I think wuwa is a game not made for stupidity i guess. I'm a ftp player and I can actually comfortably clear bosses fine. Yeah it might not be super easy like if I was a whale but it's fun its challenging. This goof is just basically asking for games to be a snooze fest and be easy
I dont see the reason why people keep comparing wuwa’s combat to zzz they are like diffrent genre’s better comparison for zzz will be pgr not wuwa sure pgr is not that famous but still if we are talking pure combat pgr will be a way better comparison
Zzz combat is flat, good if youre a kid playing it, that you only need a button maybe 2 of those to give you flashing things in your monitor. Unlike wuwa combat that you need to be stylish and be creative because it is open. The dodge in wuwa is just so satisfying that you cant find in other gacha games.
Bro is not out here saying ZZZ combos are just right when the combo is mash atk, skill, ult, swap mash atk, skill, ult, swap to support and skill, ult, swap to main dps. The only complex part if you call it that is knowing to have a buffer and def defense shred on the team. That and bursting after you break the shield. Now that I think about it Wuwa and ZZZ are pretty close when it comes to combat. It just that wuwa has the forte bar and the swap bar thingy. Both have counters and dodge. So im not seeing his point. The only thing I can see is that enemies in wuwa will punish you for poor play. While in ZZZ you'll get through it with no real thought needed. I play both and like both but Wuwa has the better combat for now and that might not how combat ends for wuwa. Because it looks like they want to add debuffs and dots that you can use.
@@umbralflow6883 The forte bar can be considered the equivalent to the EX special and they Intro/Outro Swap system is the equivalent to parry/quick-assist/chain attack swap system... The only difference is the Wuwa technically has a jump button, but only like 3 characters make it matter and you are able to swap to any character instead of the swap queue in ZZZ
I watched E-thin's (1.5h) reaction to this a day or two ago, i saw some ppl posting reacts to this vid but i can't "rewatch" it with others, i just can't lmao. This vid gives me brain damage. I'll just leave 👍and run away from it, before I lose all my braincells.
If you play ZZZ with miyabi and yanagi right, all boss just a standing stone and couldn't attack, it completely proved that dude never play the character in any optimal way and saying some master level player could clear it with blindfold so the game is easy
So Saint being biased can't call another biased? The difference is, Saint is self-aware even calling himself rank 1 kurobot. That guy though? He argues with logical fallacies and appeals to his own "trust me bro" experience with WuWa. Reminds me of Pokke neutral energy yet is the most biased one. Keep in mind, when you attack the person, you don't have an actual argument. Better mention what Saint said, then offer rebuttals.
bro says that he knows how every fight is gonna play out like yeah, after fighting the boss once you know the attack patterns. the bosses of wuwa or zzz dont adapt to your way of playing
To best describe the 2 combat styles, zzz is shoot'em up game, wuwa is rhythm game If anyone think zzz is rhythm game, they don't play enough rhythm games especially on hard mode (pointing finger at CapCabinet)
@@shnaide1 because zzz is definitely a mashing button. That's because the combat is designed so that you need to continue attacking for energy regen. And it's inefficient to stop and wait for bosses to move unlike wuwa that you can do a simple elden ring style of combat and you can clear any content just by doing that. Well any content that isn't time gated.
@ to make my point easier to understand, zzz combat is more positioning focused which is what shmup games are, and wuwa combat is more interaction focused which is the essence of rhythm games. Maybe you should try more games from both of those genres for better insight
@@HazardTone I don't play Elden ring though. I thought Zzz and WuWa are kind of the same that you could parry your enemy's attack, or dodge it. And then you make your move after that. I thought the difference was that there are aerial aspect of combat in WuWa while zzz are just on the floor. And they don't jump, lol.
I don't think someone should make a video about a game unless they are actually top level on the game. This guy hasn't played Fallacy or Sentinel in 2.0 where you literally miss your dodge or counter you have to restart. If that was his Carlotta gameplay, it's very sad. I'm not a top tier player but I have managed to be the Fallacy level 6 and working on the Sentinel. Plus which not as big of flex, but do have all the other tacit bosses. Not to mention still have a lot of 4 stars i want to try out. Once he gets to that level then then make a video saying its 'going through the motions" don't know anything about ZZZ so can't comment for it. It feels like he's saying WuWa is really really to hard, while it's really really easy.
Dude is yapping he contradicts himself multiple times, then slander dmc player, me as old dmc player entry to those game is easy but mastery takes learning and figuring out, dude just wants to push one button and do all combos and do billion dmg, he is one of those 0 skill players that say game sucks cuz I do not wanna learn combos and such. Then comparing games to poe2 like dude wtf are you smooking. Dude spend over 20 min just to say WUWA bad, if ya wanna suck ZZZ so much just do it cuz just yapping how you do not like games is trash way on doing videos.
The only primary combat-related complaint I have regarding WuWa's combat is when the buffs from the outro skill expires when you switch. I hope instead of removing it, they just add limitations like a timer along with 1 unit restriction or whatever. I miss th CBT era where quickswap Calcharo works optimally. Then imagine that with Changli and Yao. But then again, this might cause balancing issues since they removed it during testing so they probably have data when they decided to remove it. With that said, great counter-arguments as usual. It's almost like you have experience in debates or legal proceedings. I love how you don't digress and meander unlike this guy or pokke. Also, the way he supports his argument with false equivalencies like mentioning the GDC talk, dev comments on melee combat, and chess when they don't apply and force it to fit his narrative is so amateurish.
They tried without it expiring on swap in beta and it made quick swap too OP. With it lasting on swap. You would have to swap everytime any skill is off CD on all your units for optimal rotation and that's way to sweaty for most players. Trust me, buffs expiring is good.
Yes, I think he’s wrong too. I do think it’s funny that you called him out for repeating the same things over and over, when its kinda your brand to same the same thing twice-three time in a row for effect
Bro just say that you have ADHD and like the unga bunga playstyle of ZZZ with screen white flashes every second. Like every clip i see of ZZZ its the most seizure inducing piece of combat ever.
16:35 ZZZ has shorter buff's meaning if you screw up, you have to reset the whole rotation. Dude makes no sense, that is no longer a game problem its a player skill issue. Dark souls you can't get greedy wacking the boss you have to manage your stamina. 20:15 bro, ZZZ if you don't have the same faction or anomaly/attacker unit in team 3/3. Your passive ability is locked. yet he complains about outro buffs in Wuwa?!
It sounds like he is bound to play a certain way. Imagine him including ZZZ clips and thinking "awww yeah, this is the one." I almost ripped my hair out listening to him. He's spitting out different genre games that have no correlation to what Wuwa is.
Finished editing comment. Massive TL;DR at bottom. I feel like I could prob sum up his stance better than him maybe. OFC I've never played ZZZ (though it doesn't seem bad) but he probably just likes actually doing the combat more than anything? If I had to guess? ZZZ isn't open world from what I've seen really and just throws you into combat after combat, if anything I feel like this guy doesn't like the open world aspect because I bet if you stuck him in a tiny box with WuWa combat and enemies that clustered you non-stop he'd probably be like "Hey this is great, I like this" OFC I could 100% be wrong, this is just my opinion? He probably gets more dopamine from ZZZ endless combat vs WuWa slower nature (in literally just the fact that's it's open world so you have more to do) Got to his first point. It's the illusion of choice. Because he doesn't have a big "WAIT 16 SECONDS FOR THIS ABILITY TO REFRESH" he's given the illusion that CDs don't exist because he's not forced to wait in his mind. It's like someone with ADHD who has a goal, often the instant dopamine of a reward is what pushes someone further. For this guy he's working towards the goal of being able to use his ability and not time-gated in his mind. This, is of course, an illusion and not reality but the way his brain processes it gives him the happy fun juice instead of frustration. Another edit (going point by point slowly lmao essentially trying to make a tl;dr of what I think he's trying to say) He hasn't invested time or effort into building his characters better, he likes a challenge in terms of combat (like hologram bosses) but his characters aren't built enough for him to ignore the time mechanic so he hates it because with the level of stuff on his character he has to play optimally and wants to dick around and just have fun but he has to sweat. MASSIVE TL;DR Ok I'm only about halfway through but I think i got it so I'll give a massive TL;DR here. Bro wants a fighting game in gacha form. He doesn't care if it takes him 5 mins to build up a super because has the illusion of working towards a goal. He can't play sub-optimally and doesn't want to play like a robot in his games. Unironically (this is coming from someone with ADHD and obv I'm not diagnosing this man) he probably has ADHD and just likes the sensation of being able to hit the buttons when he wants to. He can do that in most games and clear just fine but because he hasn't invested enough time in WuWa he can't so he's mad about it.
I'm suspecting he created this video just for views, he literally didn't state the clear reason why ZZZ combat is better than Wuwa in his whole video 😂🤣
Conclusion, he likes zzz more because he clicks the mouse, and Yanagi like this, back and forth, and the arse feels cool, then he presses another button and blocks all the attacks, and then he feels like the coolest person in the world that he beat the game and knows everything about it🤣
@D_enDAionNoEien fanboy detected. I neither said anything positive or negative about either. Simply stated a fact. Judging them on their combat aspect alone is negligent. Maybe have some insight before getting out your pitchfork? Or throw out meaningful comparisons? 🤔
@maxlee8305 I don't do jokes. Especially not when everything has to be interpreted from nothing but a line of text. I prefer to discuss the games in question. Literally, anything other than "Haha gooner game" would have been more productive towards an actual discussion.
Everything he said about wuwa quite literally applies to ZZZ lol. 1. Optimal rotation - ZZZ characters also has an optimal rotation that requires switching to get the best dps 2. Buffing system - Seth and Slowkaku both only pass their buffs to one character 3. "I get to change it up with Yanagi" - you need to do that to get her full buffs anyway but you aren't countering shit, you are purely doing it to get miyabi's dps, every agent can dodge and assist lol 4. "parrying and dodging lose dps" - definitely a skill issue here, he did showcase yanagi later on with her gap closer dodge counter but most agents don't have great dodge counter damage 5. "ZZZ is more like chess" - dunno what he's smoking, like wuwa you chose the units that's going to counter what content you are doing there's no big brain move from the first button press you are just building up your resources to maximise dps, building fallen frost on miyabi, filling yanagi's energy, or stun units build stun, attack units blow their load in stun window, whatever you do between there is ZERO chess braining, dodge or assist.
He should play Danjin if he hates cooldown that much, but he would be like "OMG this unit is so bad, it's drain my HP, I can't dodge, this game is too hard" while comparing himself to Magnus.
If every fight fells different then that just means you are playing sub-optimally lol, when I'm optimizing time in ZZZ each run is going to look the same as well because that's the best way to get a faster time. And what is this bs about dodging and parrying being useless? dodging is literally one of the best way to fill up your concerto and for some char even help them fills up forte or deals damage and parrying takes almost no time out of your rotation and help you break the boss.
The problem is that rotation min max everything to the point where you can say something like "why do i need to fill my concerto faster with Zhezhi if my Carlotta still needs to recharg her liberation? I will just waste the outro buff". I don't know if stunning in wuwa makes something else besides inmovilizing the enemy, in ZZZ if you stun the enemy takes double the demage so is more incentive than just inmovilize something that is not needed if you have i frames
@@owenramos5932 If you have energy problem it's either you aren't doing your rotation right or you lack er stats which most of the time can be fixed by doing double intro into your main DPS or just build them better (er requirement isn't hard to fulfill) so it's barely a problem. And for breaking in Wuwa there is no extra DMG multiplier or anything like that but it's still extremely useful because it lets you focus on maximum damage and some bosses have phases that makes them extremely mobile teleporting and flying all over the place while raining you with tons of attack that can even one shot you which makes it almost impossible to damage them, breaking let's you cancel that phases.
@@DiurnusKnightenergy regen is not a problem, because even if i had 200 ER in Carlotta, she would never be in par of how fast Zhezhi fills her concerto. Foe myself breking is not a problem because you can break faster doing nukes that parryng, and in higher levels you are more worried in survivig that breking the boss is just a bonus that happens. If you need to stand still for 10 seconda just to parry an attack is nor worth the risk.
@@owenramos5932 Bro you never need to stand still doing nothing to parry, parrying literally takes out no time at all from your rotation, heck most Jiyan, and Jinshi main even do them without even trying most of the time. And are you actually playing the game right (or at all)? I never have a problem getting Carlotta ult buffed with Zhezhi 100% of the time in a proper rotation, never have I thought "omg my Zhezhi concerto is too fast" like... It's just not a problem for people who actually know how to play the game.
Bro really said "don't even get me started on the echo system" and then proceeds to not say a word about the Disk Drive system in ZZZ as if they are not basically the same thing except in WUWA you get echoes for free and in ZZZ disk drives cost precious resources to even obtain and even more resources to find out if a piece is even worth keeping.
the gist of what i got from the vid saint was reacting to was "high level content requires a well founded understanding of the game and learning the intricacies of your characters to know how to do well, but ZZZ has powercreep so its a lot of fun and requires less skill so i just button mash and it works"
He contradicted himself. He said restriction breeds creativity, and WuWa's combat was too open. Then later on he says WuWa's combat is too restrictive, which is bad. Which is it?
Omg omg this^^^^ made me lose my mind 🤣 never let bro cook again 😭
Its things like that that made me think its a bad satire video. Same as the clip with him saying you can blindfold and clear in wuwa but not zzz but that very video was after the countless zzz blindfolded clears
to be fair, he has barely played wuwa, this is purely based off dudes gameplay and discussion points. he barely knows what he is saying when talking about wuwa
Maybe because one attack and one crit defines wether you clear ToA or not or even 1 secons of a buff does the same . Or maybe i am the one who is playing Jinshi wrong
What's your team? I play Jinhsi/SK/Mortefi on both middle tower of ToA and I cleared both in a minute and 30. mortefi doesn't buff any of Jinhsi's damage type btw. It's just Mortefi allow you to roatate to Jinhsi 2x in your team rotatio.@@owenramos5932
His script was power crept with chat gpt
Lmao this took me out
Imma use this later
Should have used the new AI
That's an insult to chat GPT. At least AI generated text will focused on topics they present, but this guy focuses on what to say next to sound smart without actually saying anything nor supporting prior statements.
He was probably just high when he made his script lol
BAHAHA! Most underrated comment to-date.
I couldn’t stop laughing at this omg
Hoyo should hire this guy to help them write the story for hsr 3.1+.
That’s a lot of fing yap.
💯🗿🔥
Yeah.. I just wandering something, if this HSR 3.0 Situation keep happening, then The Main Story of each Patch will took about more than 10 Hours with full of Yapping and Bunch of Rooms Puzzles...
they need director not writer, shaoji do good job
iTs A sToRy DrIvEn gAmE!!!!1111
Hoyo lovers yap allot
6 mins in and i'm feeling that bro should be a politician, how to say lots of crap but not say anything at the same time...
the art of filibustering
You know something is sus when every footage hides the character's HP bar lmao
They have all characters at level 20. No other explanation.
@@Sergmanny46 Level 70😂
There was only one moment when his character levels were on screen. He even hides his damage numbers to avoid showing how poorly his characters are built.
He's Ul40 and was fighting level 65 mobs in rinascita
lvl 70, also hide his damage then proceed to yap about skill cd and being not able to do much damage
The mob are lvl 65 he is at most ul 40 no shoot he has struggles with the end game😅
Him: what I like about zzz is how I'm making every decision every single time.
What he actually does: Hold basic attack and spam basic attack
Being a guy who leans towards style-play instead of optimal-play, I've checked HC Casual's videos, and found that he actually did seemingly make some videos that actually go a little more in-depth with a couple character movesets (eg: Billy's mobility from his attack>directional movement) in his channel. He also ends most of it with a stylish action-esqe combo clip to demonstrate the combo potential of ZZZ's combat (his pinned video for non-subscribers is even specifically a ZZZ combo video). So he's actually a little more better than I had initially believed him to be
...Which *actually makes it even more baffling* when somehow, despite being the same guy who **literally** said "If it's different, start digging. It's the same logic I use for every action game I play" in his first ZZZ character gameplay slight-breakdown video (and 2nd video in his channel), he... **does not** do what he proclaimed to do with ZZZ's combat with WuWa's. The issues he's listed about WuWa feeling as if it's stifling on his player expression creativity loses its weight considering those issues also applies for ZZZ as well, if not even a little more than WuWa even I'd argue due to how the enemy's "Daze gauge" (ZZZ's stagger gauge) lets the player do higher damage on them once its maxed. (I have an even lengthier explanation regarding it. I'll share if anyone here wishes to see it. Don't wanna make this response of mine a lot longer than it needs to be)
He ignores the variety of echoes usable when equipped as the main echo to scratch that style-play itch he's having, had a pretty formulaic-mindset on how the overall combat design works instead of "digging" further like what YAKURU, GameBreakerGod, and NSora had demonstrated and easily done what HC Casual, a self-proclaimed "5000+ hr DMC Player" (according to the thumbnail of his video titled "Miyabi is the Perfect Disappointment..." where he talks about his slight gripes of Miyabi's gameplay design being a little too simplistic to let gacha players do optimal damages easily without much moveset variation) couldn't do, and acted as if we haven't already got solo-runs (not even Danjin Solo-runs at that. Someone literally did a F2P Yangyang solo-run against Hologram Sentry Construct VI ruclips.net/video/DFyfy_83NZM/видео.html , and another did a F2P Aalto solo-run against that same boss in the same difficulty ruclips.net/video/PnGPvkxFGEA/видео.html ) proving his point of "feeling as if he has to play optimally" wrong. And when you think about it, those solo-runs are effectively handicaps that mainly prevents the player from making use of Intro Skills (which helps with damaging a large chunk of the enemy's "Vibration Strength"/stagger gauge) and Outro Skills, so you could easily imagine that even a sub-optimal team of well-geared characters can take down some of the most difficulty contents against all odds. Meaning we really *CAN* play the way we want in Wuthering Waves!
Again. I'm saying all of this as a style-play focused guy. Not a optimal-play focused guy. Under the comment section of his video, one guy even pointed out how HC Casual was really just playing WuWa in a very robotic and optimal manner, and encouraged him to stop giving a crap about those and actually just *play* the way he wants. So at this point the video is really just more about HC Casual's own problem rather than WuWa's. (Also, him using that blindfolded Fallacy Hologram run to try to prove one of his point... it's so disingenuous...)
Basically “ZZZ combat is better because the mechanical skill ceiling is so low that it can still make me look good playing it despite just button mashing 2 buttons” LMAO
Yup this is what my take as well. A non sweaty player will play basically the same as a sweaty player in zzz. But put both type of player in wuwa, zzz HI3 PGR and AG you will see the difference
@@HazardTone not really, but the difference is small because enemies aren't responsive enough
@@HazardTone What is AG?
@@Steadtfield Aether Gaezer.
@@mauronoacontaldomurgia8476 no the difference is the is little players skill expression in zzz. You spam one button and your Characters do shit that takes multiple practice in games like Wuwa/PGR/AG to do.
I've been waiting for your reaction. This guy starts off by saying it's not ragebait, and what did he do? Yes, rage baiting for over 20 minutes, combined with yapping in perfect Paimon language and the worst thing false statements to misrepresent wuwa. I'm not a disliker, but his video is begging to be disliked.
The 6-7 minutes just for an intro and disclaimer is just pure diabolical.
It's 7, and there's 3 minutes closing. 10 minutes yap in total.
Bro's spitting spit
Haha
wtf man i was drinking coffee!
I think people are just out here saying shit for attention at this point. I watched this already and the guy edges the audience and doesn't make a point for at least 10 minutes into the video.
Welcome to this new era of gacha "content"
Bro just sounds mad he can't clear ToA mashing with his S0 level 50 Yangyang.
He can't play games with more than 2 bottons🤣
@@kirisakiyuukito6836 Oh, so he shares a single braincell with Genshills.🤣🤣🤣
@@imcat1236 they're from hoyo after all🤣
Real 😭
He said at the end "I'd like to hear your thoughts too" but the man deleted the comments disagreeing with him and roasting him lol
He deleted all of @KamiGemaGaming comments in his video just because he was losing an argument
crybaby lol
Sounds like a very mature adult and open-minded individual to different opinions (sarcastic).
bro said FF16 is shallow and DMC5 is too overwhelming...worst take I heard.
Edit: I played DM5 on K&M which is harder to do combos on. Still managed to do combos, but not insane ones. Its a great game, every casual can play it. You also have assistance which you can turn on and spam your mouse click, the game does your combos for you if you dont wanna git gud or you dont have the time to do so which is understandable. But dont yap that DMC5 is overwhelming. You can play it however you want, start with some easy combos first, get into complex ones later.
Next I expect from this guy to say that Elden Ring combat its too difficult and there should be an easy mode like every game journalist.
Also FF16 has same assistance mode where you can equip some rings and the game does your combos, those were made for guys like him.
Never tried ZZZ, I am downloading now the game and I will make my own opinion.
Dmc 5 is overwhelming tho
@@black_sinister how?
@black_sinister dude, I've seen you in about 10 comments now. I know you hating is just a means for you to cope, but whatever floats your boat though
@@Tissuestrash The amounts of combos you can perform on Dante is mind blowing as well as progressing difficulty to the point even with Vergil you are struggling to move forward
@ I am seeing the same wuwa dudes yap about how combat is so easy and powecreep destroyed zzz so nothing personal just redemption and how zzz will eos soon cuz its hoyo so ? Yap like 10th time that day ? But yeah you only see me - nice - mf below me brought powercreep = combat take and its majority of comments from you guys? Nice too def not biased mfs, def majority of Wuwa players take revolve around two things: powercreep or eosing or saying with 100% certainty that it will become shit cuz its hoyoverse in general when it comes to zzz
The DMC community literally shitted on ZZZ and Genshin when the hoyoshills tried to compare it to DMC 😂
I’m a huge fan of DMC, I remember that lol
The irony of him shitting on FF16 when it has a more dmc style battle system (albeit slower) was peak irony too
Or shitting on relink of all things
I think his goal was just to piss as many people off as he could
I'm not the biggest DMC fan but I did play games like DMC 3 ,4 and a bit of 5. The game isn't even that hard to pick up.
Getting good at the game, learning the combos, playing optimally and getting that smoking sexy style is a different story entirely though but the skill floor isn't as overwhelming as the video makes it out to be. At least in my experience.
I haven't played FF16 yet but I believe it's more accessible than DMC because it's a Final Fantasy game which is a JRPG. Its audience is generally different from those who play DMC. Some elements had to be retained otherwise it wouldn't be Final Fantasy.
@@mites7 Yup also FF16 isn't as good as it could've been but mostly because of the RPG systems not the combat itself.
😂😂
and Wuwa too tbh.
I played a lot of DMC, Wuwa has more elements from it but it just doesn't play like it (for now)/
ZZZ is automatically out by the simple fact that it has no jump button and button mashing (which doesn't work in DMC unless you enable it).
I love ZZZ but man i was sincerely exhausted of the morons going "WWOOOOW MIYABI IS VERGIL DAUGHTER , ITS LIKE DMC !" when she has ONE MOVE like him but plays absolutely nothing like him.
Its ok to feel hyped, and even say "i love the inspiration". But to have the guts to say "its like DMC" ??? seriously, these people needs to touch grass
This guy is a nerd. And I mean a real condescending one. I think if he wants to criticize the game criticize it with good discussions but this guy isn’t even cooking. Most of the time he isn’t even getting his points across. And it’s just a very bad critique of the game. This guy should just go back to school or something.
That I am a nerd part so cringe
He should go back in the parliament where he belongs
This is hate not critique LOL
You can't even say it's a critique. He wants the gabe to be as simplistic as possible is the worst way of critiquing a game. He just said his preference and forced it as criticism.
@@HazardTone lmao, I'm starting to think that's really the case.
Cant blame him bruh. We cant shit on the traversal and music of wuwa anymore. So target the combat instead and make it nonsense. We just got an update from the hoyobot manual.
9:21 Concerto repays you by playing your character correctly with an Outro/Intro combo.... i hope Kuro never listens to a word this guy says.
@@rayzen119 I hope he never leaves any feedback into surveys cuz we are cooked if he does 🤣🤣
@@J0jed well.. Kuro probably takes the most given requests by the majority feedback, odd cases like that are ignored.
@@rayzen119 hopefully.
Why would he be "worried"? It's either better, which is good for ZZZ, or it isn't. WuWa combat is top tier anyway.
That HC dude wasted our time wtf. HC's take is biased, full of shit and ego take. I don't really get what's the problem of wuwa's combat that he's talking about, it is just beating around the bush and manufacturing a problem that he doesn't know in what the hell is he talking about. I don't think he genuinely likes or love playing wuwa. I prefer him to just quit wuwa and go back to his mid-game brain-dead game and stick to that and never make a wuwa content. Just lock in to zzz end of the story. But he didn't he wasted our time wth.
I'm, gonna sue that dude for the braincells that I lost listening to that rambling...
Powercreep = Better Combat i guess 😂
You guessed it (no)
Wat power creep
@@amari7782 the powercreep he brought from listening to Wuwa cc takes and not playing the actual game
@ yes cuz I feel like people focus way too hard on how strong Miyabi is and at like its power creep
One unit being way stronger than all other units is quite literally power creep
He's the type of guy in Monster hunter world to just spam aerial attacks with insect glaive and complain why fights take too long
also probably the type of guy to spam longsword spirit blade all day and praise it for being the most well thought out and engaging weapon in existence
I RECOMMEND HIM TO PLAY CS2 OR FPS GAMES NO COOL DOWN THERE 😂
@@Emptiness771 nah nah nah there's still the reload time would still count as a cooldown LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@@ThePhotonKn1ght LMAOO try knife :)
Immediately recognize him as a hoyochill because all the yaping whiteout a skip button 😂
Hahaahahahahahahah I love you!!!
dont let this guy touch pgr please. hes to repeatative.
*repetitive
@@Neil29011 give him the botd, dude probably gave him brainrot that offed a few brain cells
Next: Why Genshin combat is better than WuWa
I haven't played it in years, has the meta gameplay moved away from: ult + skill and regenerate energy passively as you're cycling through the characters?
@@squashn.695 of course not...what are they a Billion-dollar company or creative company?lol if they can get away with selling slop they will sell slop.
@@squashn.695 yes now you just stack more ring and afk ;) no i am joke they put more attack to sp to change typr of buff like xilonen.
Dont called them not creative when sanhua good because he work like genshin character, fast go, use skill and fast get out. Losing time on ground not mean that good or creative
@@DartNguyen lol Sanhua is good not because she works like a Genshin character. She's good because she has a quick concerto generation. She's the opposite of a Genshin character cause she literally has a mini-rhythm-game in her kit. You have to think and time it, unlike in Genshin where you just almost always click and forget.
@@squashn.695 yeah it's the same but now you also have nightsoul points for natlan units.
Did this guy really say that ZZZ has more engaging enemies you have to interact with, while WuWa's enemies are static and basically punching bags for your combos?
That is absolutely wild, and I feel like that should have been addressed. ZZZ does have some good bosses, but you can literally just use Caesar and ignore the enemy with shield + stagger immunity. And WuWa has some very aggressive bosses that you need to respect unless you're completely overleveled. Has he actually fought any hologram 6? (Well, I guess he's underleveled for that, so maybe he hasn't tried)
I beated Holograms 6, you just need to get ready Carlotta's liberation and with Zhezhi ready to outro with haren and it is cleared in 10 seconds. With construct i did with Jinhsi
Exactly, he purposefully doesn't reveal his statuses and hp bar throughout the entire video which tells you a lot about how genuine the guy is with his takes. Hell, he probably even hasn't tried out holo6 Memphis yet.
@@owenramos5932I guess you used s6 characters? Cause that's the only thing that possible to clear holo 6 that fast, even that, each holo boss has different hp quantity, like aix has the least hp even on holo 6
Even still, holo 6 bosses have new busted moveset you can't simply tank since all will one to two shots your characters no matter if you s0 or s6
@hxppythxughts7149 sorry, i meant lvl 5 holograms. I forgot they just have 6 stages. Echoes, signature weapons and S0 do the trick.
I did a few of 6 stage holograms and they were almost the same with 1 or 2 added rotation. Once you know their combos is a matter of time to beat them a guess.
@@owenramos5932 yea stop lying. Hologram 6 crownless and inferno rider 6 will rip you a new hole if u just dps your way
His FF16 and DMC5 takes were so wild, the entire video HAS to be cap. He MUST be joking.
Danjin or Calcharo alone mog the entire zzz baby auto combat
Any idea why people really loves about Danjin, like "Danjin is really hard" or "Danjin main is different breed" stuffs, other than her low hp playstyle ?
@@vyamayuri Probably because of her playstyle's emphasis on combos and forte gauge. Danjin isn't just low HP, she is NO HP without proper combos. One mistake and it is all gone.
Danjin also doesn't have dps down time, so long as you don't die, you can keep wailing at enemies non stop
Bro has hundreds of hours playing WuWa as he claims but I'm sure half of it are just sitting idle. No shot with the gameplay footage and the "critics" of his is based on those supposedly hundreds of hours playing and engaging with the game's combat.
Dude is drunk and thought he was cooking.
I never understood why everyone praises the combat system in Zenless so much, lol. PGR was released long before it and in my opinion the combat there is much cooler - just find me at least one character from Zenless which could be compared to Alpha Crimson Weave / Alpha Crimson Abyss
Agreed
I honestly didn’t play zzz but for real PGR have good and interesting (in its own way) gameplay and what I love about PGR is its logical powercreep and complexity of characters
i agree, thats why i play both lmao
the competitor for PGR was HI3rd not ZZZ tho ...
@ it’s more likely because HI3 is 2016 it’s mostly under radar as “old” game
Plus similarities between ZZZ and PGR
Also maybe partially PGR appeared to others after wuwa announcement/release as kuro was seen as hoyo competitor
I personally see ZZZ as a mix of HI3 and PGR
@@justadude189 And? Does this somehow negate the fact that in terms of combat (I will be honest - not only in terms of combat) PGR, which was released much earlier, is still better than Zenless, which was released just recently?
Biggest cap ever! Sounds like Bro has some bad skill issues in Wuwa, it’s laughable at its best.
😂😂
Bro has never touched danjin, guess what she doesn't have cooldowns🤦🏾♂️
4:11 dude said that zzz is amazing and that wuwa is coming up short but can't point out what about wuwa is lacking, "its bad, trust me bro"..... i mean i love wuwa but i know exactly where its lacking for me, not enough meaningful non time gated content. i simply want to play the game more, but there is a limit to progression after you have 100% all maps, all events, and all achievements as they come out. i feel like hard engaging repeatable content is lacking, i would love for another ToA or illusive realm type game mode that is completely separate and resets either weekly or bimonthly.
Same, i want more content, luckily we're getting 2 new endgame modes in 2.1, 1 of them is on a weekly reset, so we'll see in 2 weeks.
Haven't even started exploring yet xD. Content speed is perfect for me who's not a content locust.
this why hoyo getting lawsuit bcoz they targeting children making there game so simple enough so even a young child can play it very well😂 well its people mind just want simple and easy stuff to do but simple and easy is not always better 😅
1 button = flashy = better
x attack, build up, skill, echo, swap cancel, outro/intro, directional dodge, parry, build up, skill, outro/intro, skill, auto attack to heavy attack, burst,
big pp damage = flashy = bad.
Please calm down... I love both games, but Wuwa players at large are just more obnoxious. They're both games meant to be compatible with mobile and for the most part share the same level of input options.
Both games have:
Basic attack
Heavy attack (ZZZ is limited to certain charecters while Wuwa has it on all despite the fact you never use it on most)
Special Attack
Charged Special Attack (EX Sepcial in ZZZ and concerto special that is either tied to special attack or heavy attack)
Time slow dodge
Parry system
Charecter swapping system (in Wuwa it's the Intro/Outro system, in ZZZ it's the parry, quick assist and chain attack system)
Ultimate abilities
Supportive buffs (in Wuwa it is primarily tied to the Outro skills, while in ZZZ it's tied to team comp and EX Special)
Quick swapping and animation canceling is possible in both games
Aerial combat in Wuwa is negligible as it is only really present with Changli, Jhinsi and Camellya (No a singular generic thrust attack does not count as aerial combat)
Both games are expanding and evolving, they are just focusing a different aspects of the combat. Wuwa felt hard because the echo system and resonator building is shit, but once your leveled and geared it's just a matter of not getting one-shot if you are doing the holograms. ZZZ used to be just about getting an S within the time limit (which is easy or hard depending on the agent you use), but now they're increasing the difficulty with Deadly Assault and Endless tower with more to come as as Wuwa. It's fine to like one or the other and it's fine to like both... Stop being obnoxious for a glorified mobile game because you want to feel good about yourself.
@Grey-po3lz why are you mad bro? are you the one who made the video? why do you assume i dont play both? obnoxious? maybe you should tell that to yourself. i play both since day 1, and no i dont play them on mobile, but on pc. and no i dont need these games to feel good, i have backlogs of games for pc and console, im probably gaming before you were even born, if you want sweat try battle toads, im just stating facts based on the context of the video, crying while trying hard to be neutral. pathetic kid.
@@Grey-po3lz If you think that this comment is obnoxious and frame all wuwa player as obnoxious then not only did you miss the point of the comment but you don't even understand what you're talking about
let me lay it out for you 1. The comment is not about comparing the game but pointing out the contradiction on HCC takes at the difference of both games
2. The input options you mention the BA and HA and skills are a Standard in fighting games the EX and Concerto DOESN'T work the same way you shouldn't put it side to side hell even putting Forte circuit there doesn't make it any better and The first two paragraph you yap about TOTALLY contradict what you said in the last which to me it looks like you can't make up your mind and just wanted to call some random wuwa fan and THE LARGE PORTION of it obnoxious.
TLDR; YOU are the one being obnoxious here not him.
@Grey-po3lz why are you mad bro? are you the one who made the video? why do you assume i dont play both? obnoxious? maybe you should tell that to yourself. i play both since day 1, and no i dont play them on mobile, but on pc. and no i dont need these games to feel good, i have backlogs of games for pc and console, im probably gaming before you were even born, if you want sweat try battle toads, im just stating facts based on the context of the video, crying while trying hard to be neutral. pathetic little kid.
@@VOlDZzSlayer Firstly this exact comment is one of several ones that are more or less the same word for word. Secondly Wuwa players in comment sections and content creators on avarge tend to be more obnoxious about the "complexity" of the game hence why negative edge meme was born and the fact that you mention how superior the game is whenever it's compared to another game. The Concerto system on paper sounds more complicated, but in reality you just fill your bar and use it. In ZZZ I said it's tied to the EX Special due to the energy requirement, but in reality it's split between the EX Special and the "Adiditonal Ability" triggered by meeting team requirements such as Lycaons Ice RES shred on EX Special. I like both games and in reality I spend more time playing Wuwa because it's an open world game, but no they are not complicated enough to warrant that attitude and after watching several videos on the game or comparisons, yes I can say that I find Wuwa "players" and content creators to be more obnoxious about a mobile game...
He said absolutely nothing in his video..
I didn’t even last a week playing ZZZ because the gameplay is so fucking boring..
I wanna like ZZZ, and I do enjoy the story but the units are too similar. Hayamusa is fun though and they should progress in that direction and make units playstyles distinct.
@@zealgaming8161 Yeah this is what I've been saying too. I hope the devs keep it up
All that yap leads to nowhere just like talking to my narcissistic mother.
Bro’s mom catching strays 😭🙏
7:45 COOLDOWNS ARE A CONSTRAINT.. he complained earlier that WuWa has less constraints. The guy is annoyed by what he wants>??>??
What's weird too is that the energy system is really just a cooldown system with extra steps. It's literally meant to do the same thing which is stop you from spamming skills. Energy, mana, cooldown etc. It's all the same thing
Bro trolled us so hard with the 46 minute chat gpt video. So glad he felt the need to redo his intro 5 times and leave each of them in the video. Real professional RUclipsr here, I see great mediocrity in his future.
I’m more annoyed with him slandering dmc, relink, and ff16 than with his braindead take on zzz vs wuwa
I think they’re both fun, and different enough
Tbh zzz combat is more similar to PGR’s or HI3 than to Wuwa in the first place
Also somehow his delivery is more grating than I can even properly explain
Yeah Relink being a bad design because it has long cooldowns? In a game where basic character kits are the bread and butter?
The guy must be out of his mind
@ I just got relink on sale recently
It’s so much fun
@@mites7 Its a really good game if you like the gearing system of Monster Hunter.
I poured in more than 600 hours and it was a great fun even after all that time.
@@Altr3551 I’m only 10 hours in and it really hit that childhood JRPG nostalgia piece of my overworked adult heart
Can’t praise it enough
Ah yes the complexity of ZZZ combat... Spam left click until I get energy then use my ex attack to use energy then continue spamming left click.
Tell me you ve never played the game without telling me so... ZZZ enemies are more aggressive than Holo6 and there are way less s and more animation locks. If you just spam left click you are toast in endgame content.
Edit: I have video proof on my latest youtube video that I have cleared all endgame content in both games and how ZZZ is more punishing (when not using easy mode chars like Ceasar and Miyabi). Keep yapping without actually having played ZZZ endgame and you will go far as a community, truly disgusting attitude reminiscent of a certain other... You were supposed to destroy the toxic hoyoshills, not join them!
@ counter argument. Spam left click and win lol
@@Windman1995 every enemies has yellow flash and red flash,also they have red line showing they will attack you
so yeah,add minus dodge or spacebar,he's right thou,lol
@@dedcet634 The endgame tower removes indicators at a certain floor levels so you have to learn the enemies actions before hand or you die to one shots. Seems like a lot of these opinions come from people still doing the casual aspects of the game.
@@Windman1995 Stop lying about Holo6.
In summary, he has skill issues and it is because he is casually playing the tryhard part of the game with absurdly underleveled units, hoping to do something without knowing a thing about what he's doing.
Basically comparing the fight of a game of the type "press button like crazy" to a fight of the type "you can press like crazy, but sometimes you will have more things to worry about, so dont get accustomed to press like crazy"
When Casuals hit a wall called skill issue lol.
just one thing i got from HIM, he sucks on wuwa (character building, each character play style, all rotation) and he claimed that he understand how to play. He's nonsense🤡🤡
The only thing that impresses me in ZZZ is the physics, also jiggle physics
There's only one way to settle this: the MCs of Wuwa and ZZZ will fight each other with no other help
@@devinroi3886 the brother sister fighting with leader of blackshore,master of dragon jue, members of monteli family
Nah that just flat out unfair 💀
Make rover bangs belle and everyone will be happy
@@wesleyprower bro 🗿 time out
@@D_enDAionNoEien Nah let him cook, he kinda spitting 🗣️🔥
I asked chatgpt to pick which games' combat was better, it said wuwa
for me
ZZZ: animation jelly is unique
charater have really, really flashy move skill, combine with bloom setting is hurt the eye
but is not deep like wuwa
wuwa combat is not deep too tho
@@apolon_ex compared to what? Compared to ZZZ it is much more deeper but their targeted audience is different so it is understandable. Bro throwing random shi without explaining anything.
@ where's this depth is exactly? it's the same button mashing as zzz, without proper attack combo system, zero variety in teams
I looked at endfield combat and it's more deep than wuwa by a mile
also i can't just compare zzz to wuwa, too different playstyles, wuwa is more relaxed, zzz is just "try to survive" where enemies wont stop attacking you
@@apolon_ex 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@apolon_ex zzz fanatics think precise parry, tight dodge timing which require reaction and knowledge of the enemies attack pattern is simpler than spamming 2 button to attack with soo forgiving timing to dodge and parry, automated parry mechanic, less fighting style variation and movesets that makes you feel the same playing with almost every characters which is getting old fast after a while.
it's crazy how you say very casual combat game like zzz has deeper combat mechanic than wuwa
This video was a Mr. Pokke tier take.
Hoyo does a great job of making you feel like you are good at the game without being good at actually playing. Coming from Genshin to Wuwa at launch it took time for me to adjust bc boy oh boy it was a whole new world to get used to. It’s not like Genshin was the only mobile game I played either. I played/pvp in Stella Arcana for a year prior to Genshin, I played Diablo/PVP Immortal for a year, still play League of Legends Wild Rift to this day. So yea I have a lot of experience with different types of mobile fighting games. Hoyo markets itself to casuals for broader audience and to earn as much money as possible. If you say it’s combat is better ok just understand it’s better for casual gameplay/game players. While Wuwa you can still play it casually and even the combat can be casual/semi casual. But it offers the ability to go a step beyond and do quick swaps to make it way more intense and sweaty.
His ability to yapp may suit on HSR storywiter lol 😂
Wuwa is way better
HC Casual shadow banned me from his channel
Lmfao
LMAO
🤣🤣🤣
Why? you'd Cook Him Hard because that Guy Losing The Argument So he decide to just delete your comments Or What?🤣
@@jonnytambunan7383yeah that happened . 😂
It's interesting that he mentions that you can and should basically ignore enemies in WuWa, when that literally defines my ZZZ gameplay with all their s and shields. Ultimately, both games are very similar. You build up energy (concerto), use your abilities and rotate your team to buff the main dps during the damage window, and then do your damage cycle. Rinse and repeat.
Many action games can be boiled down to this loop. Monster Hunter, Granblue, FF16, and on and on. Bro is definitely a professional yapper lol video optimized for engagement
Wtf does he talk about I finished zzz with 2 times of death it’s really easy and Pay to win x100 then WuWa. WuWa is much harder game
I love how he called himself *“combo-obssessed”* during his intro and proceeded to make a rant about how pressing buttons in order to make optimal damage is bad.
10:18
Brother is that Pinocchio puppet, from Shrek. When he’s yapping about ‘probably knowing, but not knowing where Shrek is’. Try not to lie.
this video is just a yappfest goddamit kkkk 15mins just to start making his point wtf
Danjin without rotation clears zzz with no difficulty
0:51 from the first seconds we sure there are no bias😂
😂😂
32:30 In the Monster Hunter community we call that "The Dance". You ARE supposed to be doing optimal damage and cooldown / charge management while dodging and blocking a walking apocalypse, that's what is fun about it
Lol a lance has more depth than a majority of whole wuwa teams. In MH, people barely understand the limits of their weapon dozens of hours in, meanwhile in WuWa you can learn the ins-and-outs of quickswapping echoes and skills in half an hour, and a character specific rotation in 1/3 of that. and unless they really know what the boss is going to do moveset wise in MH - they can abuse them. I would bet a majority of people here could put a blindfold on and clear the middle tower with xly, carlotta, jinhsi hypercarry team just on sound-cues.
In WuWa, and honestly PGR is like this with gen 2+ units - I'm always going to be doing the optimal rotation with the current hypercarry teams. There is little to no deviation or brainpower output unless I'm going out of my way to play a changli dual quickswap team optimally or I'm playing 4-5dm calcharo.
also, Is there even a dance when the newest Tactical Holograms don't reach the level of threat of even a non-furious rajang? WuWa dodges are extremely forgiving (literally x2 the i-frames as a dark souls dodge).
A dude beating a MH boss flawlessly is impressive. beating a ToA boss flawlessly - perfect rotations is just another tuesday.
@@eskel7867 I like Wuthering waves do not get me wrong, but gacha players zzz wuwa whatever would break their neck looking at the monster hunter skill ceiling hahaha.
WUWA DOESN'T HAVE A HIM🗣🔥🔥😑🔫
this guy is the embodiment of that "shut up peasant, i watched a youtube video" meme and decided to make a 25 minutes long of yap session.
I think wuwa is a game not made for stupidity i guess. I'm a ftp player and I can actually comfortably clear bosses fine. Yeah it might not be super easy like if I was a whale but it's fun its challenging. This goof is just basically asking for games to be a snooze fest and be easy
I dont see the reason why people keep comparing wuwa’s combat to zzz they are like diffrent genre’s better comparison for zzz will be pgr not wuwa sure pgr is not that famous but still if we are talking pure combat pgr will be a way better comparison
Luke the focus of wuwa is split between two big factors combat AND open world where as zzz’s biggest focus is just combat
@@tanjotsingh7290 not even just Pgr. Honkai impact 3rd and Aether Gazer are also comparable to ZZZ gameplay wise.
This guy is just complaining coz he cant clear level 4 holograms... LEVEL 4...
Zzz combat is flat, good if youre a kid playing it, that you only need a button maybe 2 of those to give you flashing things in your monitor.
Unlike wuwa combat that you need to be stylish and be creative because it is open.
The dodge in wuwa is just so satisfying that you cant find in other gacha games.
Bro is not out here saying ZZZ combos are just right when the combo is mash atk, skill, ult, swap mash atk, skill, ult, swap to support and skill, ult, swap to main dps. The only complex part if you call it that is knowing to have a buffer and def defense shred on the team. That and bursting after you break the shield. Now that I think about it Wuwa and ZZZ are pretty close when it comes to combat. It just that wuwa has the forte bar and the swap bar thingy. Both have counters and dodge. So im not seeing his point. The only thing I can see is that enemies in wuwa will punish you for poor play. While in ZZZ you'll get through it with no real thought needed. I play both and like both but Wuwa has the better combat for now and that might not how combat ends for wuwa. Because it looks like they want to add debuffs and dots that you can use.
@@umbralflow6883 The forte bar can be considered the equivalent to the EX special and they Intro/Outro Swap system is the equivalent to parry/quick-assist/chain attack swap system... The only difference is the Wuwa technically has a jump button, but only like 3 characters make it matter and you are able to swap to any character instead of the swap queue in ZZZ
"wuwa combat is bad"
source: "my feelings"
I watched E-thin's (1.5h) reaction to this a day or two ago, i saw some ppl posting reacts to this vid but i can't "rewatch" it with others, i just can't lmao. This vid gives me brain damage.
I'll just leave 👍and run away from it, before I lose all my braincells.
I can't get enough of people clowning on this guy.
Hoyo games are made for casuals so thats why they think is better. Characters like Danjin,Chixia or Changli destroy his points
Bro took the 36 sec Fallacy speedrun and called it "normal gameplay". Bro that blindfolded speedrun probably took a lot of investment and attempts
If he thinks bosses are too static my man let me introduce you to this thing called holograms
If you play ZZZ with miyabi and yanagi right, all boss just a standing stone and couldn't attack, it completely proved that dude never play the character in any optimal way and saying some master level player could clear it with blindfold so the game is easy
Wait has anyone ever blindfolded Floor 7 SD or DA ?
The Irony of this guy calling another channel biased is kinda crazy.
It's funny, coz saint doesn't even play wuwa or pay attention how to play characters
@@kaloyanivanov885 uhmmm
So Saint being biased can't call another biased?
The difference is, Saint is self-aware even calling himself rank 1 kurobot. That guy though? He argues with logical fallacies and appeals to his own "trust me bro" experience with WuWa. Reminds me of Pokke neutral energy yet is the most biased one.
Keep in mind, when you attack the person, you don't have an actual argument. Better mention what Saint said, then offer rebuttals.
@@kaloyanivanov885 I don’t think you’ve ever watched this channel then.
@@kwaakwoo probably a disgruntled Changli main 😂
31:57 it's really hurt to see carlotta with gold stelarealm but not doing any damage to crownless hp bar.
he even hided all dmg numbers not to be shamed for that 😂
bro says that he knows how every fight is gonna play out
like yeah, after fighting the boss once you know the attack patterns. the bosses of wuwa or zzz dont adapt to your way of playing
To best describe the 2 combat styles, zzz is shoot'em up game, wuwa is rhythm game
If anyone think zzz is rhythm game, they don't play enough rhythm games especially on hard mode (pointing finger at CapCabinet)
Me playing Cytus 2 on max difficulty. 💀💀💀
Does this mean you mean you can clear the end game challenge in ZZZ just by mashing a button?
@@shnaide1 because zzz is definitely a mashing button. That's because the combat is designed so that you need to continue attacking for energy regen. And it's inefficient to stop and wait for bosses to move unlike wuwa that you can do a simple elden ring style of combat and you can clear any content just by doing that. Well any content that isn't time gated.
@ to make my point easier to understand, zzz combat is more positioning focused which is what shmup games are, and wuwa combat is more interaction focused which is the essence of rhythm games. Maybe you should try more games from both of those genres for better insight
@@HazardTone I don't play Elden ring though. I thought Zzz and WuWa are kind of the same that you could parry your enemy's attack, or dodge it. And then you make your move after that. I thought the difference was that there are aerial aspect of combat in WuWa while zzz are just on the floor. And they don't jump, lol.
I don't think someone should make a video about a game unless they are actually top level on the game. This guy hasn't played Fallacy or Sentinel in 2.0 where you literally miss your dodge or counter you have to restart. If that was his Carlotta gameplay, it's very sad. I'm not a top tier player but I have managed to be the Fallacy level 6 and working on the Sentinel. Plus which not as big of flex, but do have all the other tacit bosses. Not to mention still have a lot of 4 stars i want to try out. Once he gets to that level then then make a video saying its 'going through the motions" don't know anything about ZZZ so can't comment for it. It feels like he's saying WuWa is really really to hard, while it's really really easy.
Ok that's it, time to 30/30 ToA, all holograms diff 6 and learn quickswap. I have to prove I'm better than this guy xD
If you wanna be better than this guy, just clear floor 3 of the side tower:D
You dont need to do half of that to be better than that guy tbh. The bar is buried 6 feet deep
Dude is yapping he contradicts himself multiple times, then slander dmc player, me as old dmc player entry to those game is easy but mastery takes learning and figuring out, dude just wants to push one button and do all combos and do billion dmg, he is one of those 0 skill players that say game sucks cuz I do not wanna learn combos and such. Then comparing games to poe2 like dude wtf are you smooking. Dude spend over 20 min just to say WUWA bad, if ya wanna suck ZZZ so much just do it cuz just yapping how you do not like games is trash way on doing videos.
The only primary combat-related complaint I have regarding WuWa's combat is when the buffs from the outro skill expires when you switch. I hope instead of removing it, they just add limitations like a timer along with 1 unit restriction or whatever.
I miss th CBT era where quickswap Calcharo works optimally. Then imagine that with Changli and Yao.
But then again, this might cause balancing issues since they removed it during testing so they probably have data when they decided to remove it.
With that said, great counter-arguments as usual. It's almost like you have experience in debates or legal proceedings. I love how you don't digress and meander unlike this guy or pokke.
Also, the way he supports his argument with false equivalencies like mentioning the GDC talk, dev comments on melee combat, and chess when they don't apply and force it to fit his narrative is so amateurish.
They tried without it expiring on swap in beta and it made quick swap too OP.
With it lasting on swap. You would have to swap everytime any skill is off CD on all your units for optimal rotation and that's way to sweaty for most players.
Trust me, buffs expiring is good.
BRO QS is already the best team in Wuwa, now u want to make it BROKEN?
Yes, I think he’s wrong too. I do think it’s funny that you called him out for repeating the same things over and over, when its kinda your brand to same the same thing twice-three time in a row for effect
that was a worse video he can make for his take.. bet he dont have the glue for wuwa properly.
Bro just say that you have ADHD and like the unga bunga playstyle of ZZZ with screen white flashes every second. Like every clip i see of ZZZ its the most seizure inducing piece of combat ever.
16:35 ZZZ has shorter buff's meaning if you screw up, you have to reset the whole rotation. Dude makes no sense, that is no longer a game problem its a player skill issue. Dark souls you can't get greedy wacking the boss you have to manage your stamina.
20:15 bro, ZZZ if you don't have the same faction or anomaly/attacker unit in team 3/3. Your passive ability is locked. yet he complains about outro buffs in Wuwa?!
It sounds like he is bound to play a certain way. Imagine him including ZZZ clips and thinking "awww yeah, this is the one." I almost ripped my hair out listening to him. He's spitting out different genre games that have no correlation to what Wuwa is.
Finished editing comment. Massive TL;DR at bottom.
I feel like I could prob sum up his stance better than him maybe. OFC I've never played ZZZ (though it doesn't seem bad) but he probably just likes actually doing the combat more than anything? If I had to guess? ZZZ isn't open world from what I've seen really and just throws you into combat after combat, if anything I feel like this guy doesn't like the open world aspect because I bet if you stuck him in a tiny box with WuWa combat and enemies that clustered you non-stop he'd probably be like "Hey this is great, I like this" OFC I could 100% be wrong, this is just my opinion? He probably gets more dopamine from ZZZ endless combat vs WuWa slower nature (in literally just the fact that's it's open world so you have more to do)
Got to his first point. It's the illusion of choice. Because he doesn't have a big "WAIT 16 SECONDS FOR THIS ABILITY TO REFRESH" he's given the illusion that CDs don't exist because he's not forced to wait in his mind. It's like someone with ADHD who has a goal, often the instant dopamine of a reward is what pushes someone further. For this guy he's working towards the goal of being able to use his ability and not time-gated in his mind. This, is of course, an illusion and not reality but the way his brain processes it gives him the happy fun juice instead of frustration.
Another edit (going point by point slowly lmao essentially trying to make a tl;dr of what I think he's trying to say) He hasn't invested time or effort into building his characters better, he likes a challenge in terms of combat (like hologram bosses) but his characters aren't built enough for him to ignore the time mechanic so he hates it because with the level of stuff on his character he has to play optimally and wants to dick around and just have fun but he has to sweat.
MASSIVE TL;DR
Ok I'm only about halfway through but I think i got it so I'll give a massive TL;DR here. Bro wants a fighting game in gacha form. He doesn't care if it takes him 5 mins to build up a super because has the illusion of working towards a goal. He can't play sub-optimally and doesn't want to play like a robot in his games. Unironically (this is coming from someone with ADHD and obv I'm not diagnosing this man) he probably has ADHD and just likes the sensation of being able to hit the buttons when he wants to. He can do that in most games and clear just fine but because he hasn't invested enough time in WuWa he can't so he's mad about it.
I'm suspecting he created this video just for views, he literally didn't state the clear reason why ZZZ combat is better than Wuwa in his whole video 😂🤣
Conclusion, he likes zzz more because he clicks the mouse, and Yanagi like this, back and forth, and the arse feels cool, then he presses another button and blocks all the attacks, and then he feels like the coolest person in the world that he beat the game and knows everything about it🤣
Zzz is streamlined. You hop on, play it, and it's done. It's not even comparable to an open world type.
+ You play the game with one hand for obvious reason too 🗿💀
@D_enDAionNoEien fanboy detected. I neither said anything positive or negative about either. Simply stated a fact. Judging them on their combat aspect alone is negligent. Maybe have some insight before getting out your pitchfork? Or throw out meaningful comparisons? 🤔
@@LanzaT8 wasn't that just a joke?
@@LanzaT8 bro he’s not even criticizing or saying anything bad why dogpile on him
@maxlee8305 I don't do jokes. Especially not when everything has to be interpreted from nothing but a line of text. I prefer to discuss the games in question. Literally, anything other than "Haha gooner game" would have been more productive towards an actual discussion.
Everything he said about wuwa quite literally applies to ZZZ lol.
1. Optimal rotation - ZZZ characters also has an optimal rotation that requires switching to get the best dps
2. Buffing system - Seth and Slowkaku both only pass their buffs to one character
3. "I get to change it up with Yanagi" - you need to do that to get her full buffs anyway but you aren't countering shit, you are purely doing it to get miyabi's dps, every agent can dodge and assist lol
4. "parrying and dodging lose dps" - definitely a skill issue here, he did showcase yanagi later on with her gap closer dodge counter but most agents don't have great dodge counter damage
5. "ZZZ is more like chess" - dunno what he's smoking, like wuwa you chose the units that's going to counter what content you are doing there's no big brain move from the first button press you are just building up your resources to maximise dps, building fallen frost on miyabi, filling yanagi's energy, or stun units build stun, attack units blow their load in stun window, whatever you do between there is ZERO chess braining, dodge or assist.
Whoever that guy should try playing with Danjin 😂
He should play Danjin if he hates cooldown that much, but he would be like "OMG this unit is so bad, it's drain my HP, I can't dodge, this game is too hard" while comparing himself to Magnus.
If every fight fells different then that just means you are playing sub-optimally lol, when I'm optimizing time in ZZZ each run is going to look the same as well because that's the best way to get a faster time. And what is this bs about dodging and parrying being useless? dodging is literally one of the best way to fill up your concerto and for some char even help them fills up forte or deals damage and parrying takes almost no time out of your rotation and help you break the boss.
And stop comparing yourself to Magnus lil bro, you aren't even reaching the equivalent of 500 elo chess in Wuwa.
The problem is that rotation min max everything to the point where you can say something like "why do i need to fill my concerto faster with Zhezhi if my Carlotta still needs to recharg her liberation? I will just waste the outro buff". I don't know if stunning in wuwa makes something else besides inmovilizing the enemy, in ZZZ if you stun the enemy takes double the demage so is more incentive than just inmovilize something that is not needed if you have i frames
@@owenramos5932 If you have energy problem it's either you aren't doing your rotation right or you lack er stats which most of the time can be fixed by doing double intro into your main DPS or just build them better (er requirement isn't hard to fulfill) so it's barely a problem.
And for breaking in Wuwa there is no extra DMG multiplier or anything like that but it's still extremely useful because it lets you focus on maximum damage and some bosses have phases that makes them extremely mobile teleporting and flying all over the place while raining you with tons of attack that can even one shot you which makes it almost impossible to damage them, breaking let's you cancel that phases.
@@DiurnusKnightenergy regen is not a problem, because even if i had 200 ER in Carlotta, she would never be in par of how fast Zhezhi fills her concerto.
Foe myself breking is not a problem because you can break faster doing nukes that parryng, and in higher levels you are more worried in survivig that breking the boss is just a bonus that happens. If you need to stand still for 10 seconda just to parry an attack is nor worth the risk.
@@owenramos5932 Bro you never need to stand still doing nothing to parry, parrying literally takes out no time at all from your rotation, heck most Jiyan, and Jinshi main even do them without even trying most of the time.
And are you actually playing the game right (or at all)? I never have a problem getting Carlotta ult buffed with Zhezhi 100% of the time in a proper rotation, never have I thought "omg my Zhezhi concerto is too fast" like... It's just not a problem for people who actually know how to play the game.
Bro really said "don't even get me started on the echo system" and then proceeds to not say a word about the Disk Drive system in ZZZ as if they are not basically the same thing except in WUWA you get echoes for free and in ZZZ disk drives cost precious resources to even obtain and even more resources to find out if a piece is even worth keeping.
"If u dont have arguments, u cant be debunked 😎"
What is he yapping about? It's like ZZZ has mortal combat moves and complex combat system with the way he talks
the gist of what i got from the vid saint was reacting to was "high level content requires a well founded understanding of the game and learning the intricacies of your characters to know how to do well, but ZZZ has powercreep so its a lot of fun and requires less skill so i just button mash and it works"