@@FitProVR maybe you should make a FitProVR Lite channel where you just post 30 second videos where you grunt loudly over the picture of the game you recommend.
@@chonchi lmao apparently there’s a market for it. I mean i do post the gameplay videos without commentary as well but i usually wait a day or twos can’t please everyone!
I enjoy them both for different reasons. My biggest complaint with Creed is the exhaustion meter. As you said, it is realistic, as it gamifies the realistic aspect of exhaustion during a fight; however, by doing so, it makes it so my character is exhausted when I still have gas. That takes me out of the experience, and is frustrating from a fitness perspective. As a game mechanic, it is solid. As a fitness game mechanic, it is frustrating.
probably the biggest turn of, as well people spamming tap punches in VR. its like wrist flicking as fast as you can with no real strength input into it. In ToTF you actually have to put some power behind the punches. If ony ToTF had PvP.
True but i think the purpose is to translate it to what it would feel like in the real world. Like when you pick up a bigger weapon in walking dead, it moves a bit slower. I think that’s the idea.
@@FitProVR Yes, I get that but if you yourself don't feel it. It's just disorienting. I know it's a bit different but if you have experience in weapon based martial arts, and played something like Blade & Sorcery, you can have the most realistic physics but it's just going to feel awkward if the VR hands/weapon and your real hand don't feel the same way. Skallagrim mentioned this in one on his videos.
@@liltissue9571 just because I'm stating flaws doesn't mean I hate the game, I never mentioned once that it isn't fun, did I? I'd have to check it again tho because you said you can turn it off, I remember checking at the settings and the only thing I managed to do is turn it down and it still feels a bit awkward.
@@FitProVR in counter argument - in Walking Dead its kind of mixed bag using two handed weapons. Its is limited to the better made quality weapons. Even though you start with friggin firefighter axe, it feel more of the pool noodle if you do not hit according to the game correctly "at the sweet spot" which is insane. In real life, I am swigging with the force that could lop of any bullnecked bodybuilder's noggin clean (tried in real life with actual firefighter's dull axe, and yes, I am also certified firefighter who had to practice with chopping through obstacles such as doors. Easily lopped fake melon and tatame mat roll heads at least with just dull weight of the axe, even though not perfectly). But coming to TWD, my swings with the very same looking firefighter axe felt like I was hitting zombies with the pool noodle upside the head. Such mechanics are quite off putting, especially when the argument comes back to Creed, even with endurance mode. Its just too arcadey type of feel. While in TotF you can also cheese AI opponents to a degree (for example Edwards "Bill Clinton" can be cornered and just whailed with moderate strength to win by the points. All he does it just curl into defensive ball if you attack nonstop), but it still feels like the effort and techniques applied more realistic with your own fitness acting as the check.
Hi, I don’t box anymore so technically my opinion doesn’t matter but when you land shots it actually energized you to keep going. It’s a psychological thing. Thrill is good because your stamina in game is your stamina IRL. 3.5 years ago, it’s the game that got me into boxing in the first place
I actually enjoy both TOTF and Creed for different reasons, TOTF gives me tons of cardio , offense and footwork practice, while Creed rewards you for being on the defense like slipping and pulling back for a counter. I used to hate the exhaustion mechanic, but then I realize that in real sparring, you can only throw about 3-4 punches before having to evade. In short, each game has its own strengths that I can use to practice different aspects of boxing.
That’s also what I thought, in Thrill some people just spam weak punches that might not be effective even for sparring. The exhaustion mechanic in Creed will somehow make you more disciplined in throwing punches.
But in Thrill of The Fight you do get the feel as if it is for real. - You do get tired, depending on the settings you've input there. Your character does lose power for example if hit too much and you wil be a lot easier to KO if you've taken too much damage. All of the paramenters in ToTF are real life input. - If you are tired in real life, you are tired in VR. Not like in Creed. You could be totally fresh and feeling good, but Creed in the game is gassing out for no reason at all. Secondly, its weird mechanics of Creed, where KOs are more of the street fight. You or your opponent could be KOed and suddnely get up and lunge at you. Combos and punches are also not realistic. Same goes for dodges. You are limited by thumstic or hand roll walking. Most of all the feel of "Not being Boxing Ring" is very present in Creed. in ToTF you basically outline your ring. ToTF lacking multiplayer is huge problem. - But imagine if it did. The mechanics are real. The psychological feel is there too. When I started to play ToTF I definetly had that adrenaline feel of real boxing match. Then as I played I adjusted game settings to be more and more realistic, where you had to rely on real techniques to win, otherwise you'd be eating Canvas. if ToTF had multiplayer (as it is planned for ToTF2), it would of beat every and any boxing game. - It's just simply realistic since it uses your real-life fitness level and skill vs someone else's real life fitness level and skill. - Not like Creed, with spamming and abusing game techniques. in Creed some 9 year old can trash talk to you and then spam quick punches to win for no reason. in ToTF punch forces are calculated based on the damage received and not on the "bop, bop, bop Whoever Scores More Touches Before Game Stamina Bar Runs Out". - So properly thrown punches is simply must. While Creed might have "more realistic Damage Debuff effects" - ToTF have more realistic approach to boxing game overall from clinching, to throwing punches at the right places, and more correctly.
What is the damage effect depending on? Do you need to throw and fast punch? How the "virtual force" is defined on these games? I assume controllers can only measure acceleration/velocity
@@Giuseppe_coachgius So far reading TotF developer's comment, basically it is similar to the Punching Arcade Machine at the dive bars. It measures the speed with the chronometer at which controller travels and/or accelerates with the weight value arbitrarily assigned (by default now set to 3000 but can be changed - this is as close as it gets to emulating someone's body mass behind the punch but not exactly realistic. Just as good as it gets).
@@Caliell you mean the 3000 parameter can be changed in the settings? I understand it is an arbitrary force assigned to the player used to calculate with the speed and/or acceleration of the controller, the damage? Would be good to know if there is a technical document released about it
Idk why people are saying creed isn’t as good of a workout. I did the campaign for like 10 minutes and was sweating like crazy and very exhausted. Im sure TOTF isa good workout as well, but creed is just as good. I also like the exhaustion meter because you cant just throw punches mindlessly. You actually have to know when and where to punch. TOTF you can just swing punches Edit: Just realized you can remove the exhaustion meter!
Lol. It’s simple… if you actually can box(which video evidence submitted… the poster can’t) thrill of the fight is legit. If u can’t box creed will be more fun to play
The stamina depends on who you are. A professional champion boxer played Creed and talked about how unrealistic it was compared to Thrill. He said, “I have so much energy and it’s like I have 2 lungs and 2 hearts!” And he hated the stamina bar and a lot of other things.
Was that the one they did on a late night talk show type channel, where the channel host doesn't play the games, he gets profesional tenis players to play tennis, boxers for boxing, racers for racing, ect ect? If so, I saw one like that where he said the same thing, but cannot remember the channel, was just random autoplay.
After playing creed for a week now, thanks for this video! I feel like many people that are waiting on TOTF pvp should try creed and just give it enough time to get used to. I'm getting a lot of fights with people who are trying to actually box instead of just get a quick W, and it's just so much more enjoyable to have the challenge of a real person. When TOTF 2 comes out and brings the sim experience to multiplayer, I hope they add ranked! Give me something to _literally_ fight for! There is such a lack of ranked competitive games in VR, and so many games could benefit from it. But 1v1 fighting almost needs it to stay exciting, lets hope 🙏
How did you manage to get a PVP game? I've had creed for 4 months and I've never got connected to a game in the 10+ times I've tried. My internet works I've talked to Oculus support and and they tell me it's a developer issue
@@paulq0246 what country are you in? It might be a regional issue. I'm in the US and I've had it tell me the servers are full before! Sometimes it'll be searching for a few minutes, and sometimes it kicks me out when I join, but not too often.
1. Thrill of the fight has music. 2. I like how thrill of the fight skips all of the cartoony stuff that most of the time just ends up being mor irritating than fun. Also if you set the difficulty up and mess with the custom modifiers in a fight Toft punishes you hard for not being defensive and actually blocking and slipping hits. Toft to me has more immersive gameplay. I don’t find it very immersive to be thrown into a cartoony storyline. But i personally think the games are equal and both have strengths and weaknesses that make them individually fun.
I've seen so many of these videos about Creed rise to Glory and the gameplay but nobody mentions 'the montage will improve your stamina' the better you do the less you see your stamina drain
If Creed wasn't broken I think I would like it a lot more, but the bugs ruined it for me in the story mode. During all the training segments my character would always spawn backwards or off to the side and out of the area of the training piece and I would always end up with 1 or 2 star endurance. Unfortunately a patch is just never gonna come to fix it. Stinks, because the actual boxing feels pretty good in the game.
I think it's worth mentioning that Thrill of the Fight was made by one guy, while Creed was made by a well-funded studio. I didn't like Creed very much, but I was playing wirelessly via my PC, and the hand tracking lagged like no other game I've played. Maybe I'll give the native Quest version a try. Accurate hand tracking is kiiiind of important here.
@@FitProVR nope! It was all Ian Fitz. He did hire a 3D artist for some of the work on the boxers, but it was a bit of outsourcing/contract work, not another team member. He even did most of the sound design himself or with stock audio files.
Huge help seeing the opinion from an actual fighter and vr user, love how you invite people to disagree in the comments and share ideas. Love what you’re doing!!!!
I got creed first, thinking it was better because of the more polished look, but since I tried TOTF, creed doesn’t get much play anymore. It’s just more satisfying to KO Money Maker and The Duke on outclassed difficulty than it is with all the “slow down time” gimmicks of creed. But one of the best things TOTF has is Mixed Reality (so you won’t put your fist through the tv or walls.
I appreciated this video even though I am biased against creed. 30 dollars vs 10 is what got me. But Creed is definitely worth it. I think thrill of the fight still makes the workout better for me since it's my own stamina that it uses. Creed is sick though and this video was pretty well made. You took a risk putting "minutes of shitty jokes" but I think the open minded perspective and humor was pretty on point.
Lets be honest, Creed and The Thrill of the fights are good games, both of them has good graphics and nice Movement Animation, i play more The Thrill of the fights because im a proffesional Boxing fighter and with The thrill of the fights i train my combos and i play the thrilll of the fights to move my body and fight and learn more about combos, i use Creed to but i use more the thrill of the fights because for me, the movements are realistic but both games are good! i like both of them, the reason why i use more the thrill of the fights is because you can move more and do your own Movement and in Creed you cant move unless you click in the buttons to move but you need to use your head to move and thats kinda hard and something that happens to me is when i punch in Creed, the punches doesnt look realistic and it gets tired and you need to defend so they can be able to fight again and thats not something realistic, in real life you move while you get energy and in the Thrill of the fights i move while i get energy and thats why i like more The thrill of the fights, but both games are so good and i love them! nice video also!
You say one of the main differences is creed has “forced exhaustion” where if you punch too fast your fighter becomes tired. Lol well in Thrill it’s the same thing except in reality YOUr fighter becomes tired 😅
The stamina meter doesn’t make sense in creed because there’s no point in a stamina meter because WE are the stamina meter because if your not tired but the person in the game is tired that makes it not fun
I like thrill off the fight more because you can make there head movement quicker and make there damage as much as you want. While in creed you can change damage and health but it’s hard to go to points on creed
About to try Creed, I have been losing weight with TOTF and I love it. I put my airpods on with my fav playlist and just say "Siri skip song" I sweat so much and feel super beat up after I am done. On custom mode 4 rounds of 4mins and extremely hard to knockout my opponents.
Graphics sure but no way your saying creed has better physics. I like creed but that is it’s biggest flaw, you can just swing your hands around and win
TOTF has become my regular cardio for the past year. It is great, I use some old mma gloves for added weight and with the endless customization it is never boring.
Which one gives the experience that feels closer to what Wii Sports did? Wii Sports Boxing, for what it was, was fucking excelent, just serious enough, and just arcady enough, to get invested in, get good at, not have to think too hard about, and get a descent workout. What I'm looking for, and if other games can offer an experience that is closer to what I'm looking for, I'm open, for now I'm waiting for Thrill of the Fight 2 to see how that one is knowing how much people like the courent one, and the 2022 being thrown by the devs as when they announce 2, if I recall properly, don't want to jump into something too fast, but yeah. I'm looking for what could described as Wii Sports Boxing+ VR. Plus for like, it's a propper dedicated full game instead of a compilation of minimini cool games as a tech demo so it has extra content and more depth. What VR boxing game gets the closest to that? PS: I would also love a sword fighting game that follows the same philosophy, some sort of... Wii Sports HEMA+ VR.
ToTF cuts to the chase. Hit play, and you're in the ring, no fuss. Creed? It's a slog. Endless logos, animations, a whole minute of fluff before the bell rings. In ToTF, it's a real scrap. Your punches hit home, and you can see it in their eyes, the way they reel, teetering on a knockout. But if you go all out, your arms feel like lead. Creed's a cakewalk. Soft taps, no real fight, just a game. ToTF keeps it grounded. You move natural, no gimmicks, no queasiness. They've got this mixed reality setup to keep you from wrecking the place. Creed? It's a standstill, more like shadow boxing. Graphics? Neither's a showstopper. Creed tries too hard, ends up looking worse. ToTF's no eye candy, but it's honest work. The vibe in ToTF? It's bare-bones but reacts to your good hits, gives a bit of that ring atmosphere. Creed? It's a waiting game. Wait, wait, and more waiting.
While a don’t disagree with most of it, i think people who really like to customize settings and are okay with playing against the same 6(?) opponents over and over again are cool with it. I get bored too easily.
The thing I like about Thrill is is let’s you dictate how you fight. I haven’t played Creed but it looks a little more “arcade” for lack of a better term. I could be wrong. However I would love to play it.
As a big fan of Thrill of the fight Creed sure looks interesting. Having a decent story and pvp makes it seem more like a complete game when you compare the two. But atm I play Outclassed on Thrill of the fight so I hope Creed will give a comparable challenge.
Agreed, because TOTF is real and driven by the player’s physical ability as well as boxing skills. Creed is a video game. Imagine having to pump your hand to move . . . Total video game move.
The slow motion free shots that creed has are my biggest problem. That and the flubber legs. So as far as a boxing simulator goes, I'd put it as a draw, and a big win for knockout league, as it has the most arcadey and gimmichy game stuff, but it has hands down the BEST training modes of any vr boxing game or app I've seen yet. The player vs player DEF puts creed overall just a touch above thrill, but only if you've got a decent group of people / community to get reliable games consistently. Without that, I'd say thrill for fun factor, knockout league for flat training usefulness, and creed for niche pvp and for theming to rocky. Graphics wise is completely subjective and to try and make the comparison without tossing a cord on to run in pcvr mode, you really don't have anything to compare their original intended look to the mobile quest 2 result after ported. You'll notice thrill is much closer to it's original, and had a much smaller budget. Sure, you don't hyave arms or legs in thrill, but the engine is way less "cartoony', more photo realistic. So depending on your personal preference, photo realistic is always harder to nail, and they do quite well porting to quest with minimal loss of fidelity. They took arms out in order to help optimize, but legs they never put in because it flat out doesn't work well PERIOD without full body tracking no matter what boxing game you're playing, which wasn't available at the time these games were made. Get in creed, look at legs and dance around a bit and see how non intuitive it gets. That's why thrill didn't render legs, and without full body tracking, it will stay that way. Another big difference is what playspace you're using. In a full 6m x 6m playspace, which one makes better use of the space, and which one tends to have you basically standing in place, with maybe a shuffle step or two to the side and back once in a while? Which one can you literally chin dodge, without it being a matter of just ANY head movement back or down equals a dodge? Which one tests you (as a trained fighter) in your ability to judge distance accurately? These are the things I think you should have made points about, and if yu cover this topic again, I'd like to see your in depth thoughts on knockout league's training scenarios.
here I'd say I prefer thrill of the fight, because, creed is more made in an arcade style, thrill of the fight is more like a work of the day game where it's more a game to make you sweat and feel proud after knocking out your opponent
As a boxer and boxing trainer i dont agree. Im not fanboy but Creed is a game and Thrill is a simulator. You are right that noobs can spam in Thril but if you know something about boxing and really fight like you would in real life the game is brutally realistic. You dont need stamina because you get tired in real life. Creed is ok, but its arcade.
I've seen you mention that wearing wrist weights is a bad idea because of the momentum from the weights pulling your joints and ligaments. But, what about resistance bands? I would think that putting a resistance band from one wrist and wrap it around my upper body to my other wrist would increase intensity while pulling back the momentum from my punches.
Interested to see what your thoughts are 1 year later. Just bought my first headset, and trying to build out a set of core workout games. Was thinking about beatsaber + Les Mills, but considering replacing Les Mills with one of these.These both seem more engaging than punching targets.
When I was fully training mma and BJJ like a year ago , I mean like at least 4x a week + roadwork and weights Creed would be a great workout I'm not sure about totf
Also, if you're not going out of your way to cheat (deactivating the auto adjust force multiplier) then sure, you can swing away to your heart's content; for the first few rounds, maybe 2 fights total. It by then has adjusted the force multiplier and you'll now HAVE to do that to do ANY damage to the higher up opponents (even many pros that purposfully set this to spaghetti arm strength punches and set opponent to iron chin) admit that it's one hell of a workout, and really can't be done long term and still win.
Hey bro, I not long ago bought a Quest 2, I was wondering if we could work out together on it, still very new to the interface and VR in general, how would I add you? :) Also great video!!
This was genuinely helpful to which vr game I want to buy bitween the two. I like goofy games but I love immersive games also and Creed would be a very good game for me to get. Ps: to the people who skipped to the end how dare you 😡. He deserves a sub at least
You make some good points, and I respect the opinion of a real fighter, but there is a lot of info missing here. I'm not a fan of how the rounds are abbreviated in Creed, or moving your character with the controllers, or the Mike Tysons Punch Out mechanic to get up after a knockout. Opponents in Creed always get very close, closer than your reach, and you can't keep distance on them because of the games limitations with movement. And they always throw one unblockable punch to knock you out. They feel like cheap shots, where in TOTF I feel like I deserved to get knocked out because I was getting lazy with my guard. Opponents in TOTF require more defensive nuance. I find myself ducking, bobbing and weaving more. It takes far more punches and strength to knock them out, while Creed uses the little mini game where you punch in 5 specific spots to knock them out, which really reminds you it's a game, not a simulator. TOTF's fighters have more dynamic styles. You have a wider range with the fighters height, speed, and aggression. And they throw fewer punches later into the fight, which is realistic. The later rounds become more about endurance. TOTF also gives you more feedback on how much damage you're doing to them, with the different colored damage indicators, the grunts they make, and the wounds that start appearing on their face. The game also simulates holding, when you move your head too close into the opponent so they can't hit you, and the ref calls you out on it. Something thats a big part of real boxing. TOTF calculates the speed and momentum of your punches properly in a way Creed doesnt. A slower hook will do more damage than a faster jab. While in Creed a fast and easy to throw jab is always best, and throwing hooks and the strength they take make them not worth throwing. TOTF provides more detailed stats on the fight, for you and the opponent, so you can better gauge your improvements. There's also more difficulty levels, and more custom settings for the opponents. But Creed's licensed characters, arenas, crowd, music is way better, and the training element is cool, and its great that it offers online multiplayer, but i've never been able to find any matches. It was probably easier to find them 2 years ago. Creed is the better game, and TOTF is the better simulator.
Some problems with creed that you might not notice and make you realize that gameplay is very different from thrill. Punch Damage 1. When you punch, it's either blue or red, blue meaning you did 10 damage and red meaning you did 20, but since it's almost impossible to land a blue punch while you are in a match every punch is basically 20 damage so it's only how many times you can punch in a second Blocking 2. Punching an enemies block literally does nothing. In thrill of the fight, depending on which punch you performed and how much force you put into the punch and the enemy blocked it, the hands will move and can push the enemy back a little bit. Health Points 3. Creed uses a health bar and considering that you can only do 20 damage per hit is kind of lame. In thrill of the fight there is no health bar, as each punch you use is a different effect and depending on how hard you hit them and where really affects your gameplay, this makes it so combos actually matter (like in actual boxing) The only real thing to worry about in Thrill is the way you fight. Before playing I would recommend learning the basics of boxing so that your form and punching power is accurate. In my opinion thrill of the fight is a much better work out and if it's too easy, or you want to practice things such as dodging, or reaction time, you can specially customize the opponents traits to however you want it to be, so the game doesn't get old and boring.
Liked the review and your Chanel, and as someone who has boxing, kickboxing, and mma experience I could not disagree more with #1. If you are relying on video game mechanics to simulate something, you are by definition less realistic than the game that does not. The best way to simulate the fatigue of a fight is to actually get tired, not hand jog your spirit back to the ring or hold your hands in the air against some weird circles. I get the spamming point, but if u use REAL technique and go for the knockout in TOTF, (which as you say is harder and again that’s MORE realistic), you will gas. I do think you are right on the equipment, music, game play / but more realistic mechanics based on endurance bars and out of body experiences lol no brah :)
@@FitProVR yeah sorry got that from the comments later - It sounds like they got rid of them in certain options, because so many people complained that they were NOT realistic. Now we just need to get rid of “wave your hands in the air like really don’t care” knockout recovery stuff and creed will be on its way :)
I have both and prefer totf for the pure fact of price and the fact you can train in totf the only training in creed you get is from campaign and I don't like how every character has different stats no matter how you fight, punch or play I'd rather play a game where I can hone in my boxing skills, creed is definitely better for less experienced boxers
They are both technically Technique driven games. Hate it when people say they are not. You still gotta learn how to play and adapt to the mechanics. And when it comes to pvp obviously..(i know ttotf doesn’t have that yet but when it does)..there will be players that are better then others bcz they know the mechanics and know Techniques to use in the games
Sorry guys, but throwing a punch and missing is a lot more tiring and straining than hitting your attended target. Yes, hitting an elbow or cranium can hurt your knuckle bones, but missing wastes energy and strains muscles.
Thank you for this. I own creed the psvr but now have the psvr2 and been wanting to upgrade and I've been reading A LOT over thrill of the fight and how it's better then creed but this made my mind up for me. Creed for the win.
Sad that Tommy 'The Duke" Morrison wouldn't be added. I wonder why? That dude was an amazingly fun glass-cannon to watch IRL, and Rocky 5 was totally legit. Sad news for Tommy all around. That aside, I only have TOTF and find it a great workout and it 'feels' smooth. However, it's super shallow. It has zero narrative, which makes it a totally different experience. You also can't customize your own avatar/character, which feels missing. As far the stamina thing is concerned, I can agree with both sides of the argument, depending on what kind of game you want.
Does anyone know if you can turn off snap turning in creed? because that’s the only reason I don’t like playing it. It’s a more feature filled and polished game, that makes me loose track of where I am ,knock shit over and hurt myself.
I don't believe Creed is more realistic for its endurance mechanics because everyone's real life endurance is different. You can also get equally winded shadow boxing vs punching a bag so that's really bad moot point unless you're wearing some really heavy gloves that cushion your hand so you don't have very much any risks of injury. Even still Thrill of the Fight is more realistic because you get tired when you get tired and not when a avatar gets programmed to get tired.
TOFT allows me to actually pick my spots, move, and angle to pick my shots without feeling like I'm in some quasi super hero boxing verse..We want real looking characters, that allow you to work your way in or out of fight..as a former sparring champ lol thks is the closest I've been to fighting without the damage
I don't even have the full game for creed yet I've been playing the demo but I could definitely say I already enjoy it I haven't tried thrill of the fight so I can't give my opinion on that one but I think creed is pretty good
Honestly i have a really good friend he gives me challenges and gives me a budget and he gifts me a game, right now, my budget is 5 dollars, i got surgineer my old budget was 10 dollars but when i get 15 more should i get thrill or save up for creed?
I've played thrill of the fight for an hour. It was good, but graphics wasn't that good. Then I saw Creed. Graphics, colors, were better. And audience has face ahahaha
While I appreciate creed having more features and being more polished, I do find myself getting disoriented having to use my controller to navigate instead of just my footsteps which is done better with thrill.
Loved this video, I bought Creed, and wanted to see if buying TOTF is worthit as well, loved the jokes and everything you said which made the video more enjoyable. Forget what a few people said in the comments 💀💀
My main issue creed wise is that it doesn’t maintain a legitimate pace like Thrill does. If you’re on the back foot throwing combinations at an incoming opponent in creed, they won’t get tired and will continue moving forward since your punches have a set damage output. In thrill you’re able to throw back and push your opponent backwards by countering rather than solely having to rely on boxing in a phone booth since your counters are so inefficient.
I just went with Totf based on price and basics...I'm a skellington with MS and lifelong Asthma turning 40...I'm trying to expand my health and fitness...I boxed the ghost for 1 round and gassed/melted out but I felt great! Any tips for warmups or anything so I don't over do it and hurt myself?
I have both games and hands down prefer TOTF. Creed has great graphics and presentation and that’s where it ends. Creed is so glitching and the boxing isn’t realistic at all. You can dodge punches and still get knocked out and also knock people out with just feeler jabs. The tracking is just bad and I’m not sure if it tracks the power of your shot at all. TOTF is way more realistic for punching, dodging, and movement. You can bounce in and out and change angles while the game recognizes your power very well. It’s not perfect but it is very close. If TOTF gets the animation and story line like Creed it will be one of the best games ever made. In my mind, TOTF is the best game on the Occulus by far
10 times more exhausted playing thrill than creed, with or without game-tiredness. Creed was u fun game until it was finished. Thrill you can come back to again and again.
Great video, I have some MMA training, my training was more boxing/strike based because my natural skill set lends me to hit very hard. IMO both games are very good but TOTF is a more realistic game IMO. Creed's exaustion meter is based on a very out of shape throw 4 punch tired person which is 80% of the population the other 20% who have combat training can see Creeds biggest flaw which is baseline exhaustion. Some guys can throw harder and longer then others, Creed takes this out of the equation, ToTF uses actual physical tiredness which does not represent a real fight like you pointed out but does so better then Creed IMO.
Both games are amazing I'm 50+ and grew up with the Atari 2600. VR literally blows my mind. The potential there is unlimited from keeping the lonely elderly company to helping a fighter train for a big fight, we live in a very cool time. A time where an AI powered VR assistant could do the small time consuming tasks and give a passionate cancer doctor the time they need to find a cure for that horrible disease. 👍
I don't know "Creed: Rise to Glory" but I'm fine with thrill of fight right now. When I'll be done with all the Outclassed fights I will search for something else maybe. I play thrill of the fight when I'm in a good condition only after 30 min of audio trip.
Once you're done with outclassed, turn off the auto mass multiplier and turn on wrapped wrists. Wrapped wrists require you have good wrist alignment to do good damage making it more realistic. Also, remove your auto mass multiplier. Lower it down to around 1.3-1.5 to make your punches more consiistent.
Funny how none of the things totf is actually good at was a category. Realism, difficulty, intensity, when you get punched hard your screen goes grey and your character grunts, crowd cheers etc. Although I agree with everything said in the video except some of mechanics, you hardly have to punch at all in creed and in totf disable mass multiplier and set it 1-1.2, makes it a LOT more realistic in every way.
My guy me getting jabbed in creed and losing doesn’t make any sense. Plus creed has a system of health where the opponent has a certain amount of health rather than you hitting them in the right spot with the right power. Creed doesn’t render any of these which makes it an unrealistic experience.
Wanted to see what game to get, not a failed stand up comedy act. Just wanted to see what game was better not a minute of random shit jokes.
Read an article then goofy
Sorry i disappointed you again dad.
That's why there are chapters. Should have just went to conclusion 10:55
@@FitProVR maybe you should make a FitProVR Lite channel where you just post 30 second videos where you grunt loudly over the picture of the game you recommend.
@@chonchi lmao apparently there’s a market for it. I mean i do post the gameplay videos without commentary as well but i usually wait a day or twos can’t please everyone!
I enjoy them both for different reasons. My biggest complaint with Creed is the exhaustion meter. As you said, it is realistic, as it gamifies the realistic aspect of exhaustion during a fight; however, by doing so, it makes it so my character is exhausted when I still have gas. That takes me out of the experience, and is frustrating from a fitness perspective. As a game mechanic, it is solid. As a fitness game mechanic, it is frustrating.
There’s an endurance mode that gets rid of it
probably the biggest turn of, as well people spamming tap punches in VR. its like wrist flicking as fast as you can with no real strength input into it. In ToTF you actually have to put some power behind the punches. If ony ToTF had PvP.
@@Caliell that would be awesome!
U can just go on endurance mode
this is what i’ve been saying for a long time. that’s why i like thrill of the fight
Feel is very important in VR Combat imo. If you're not tired and your character is, it could be really disorienting.
True but i think the purpose is to translate it to what it would feel like in the real world. Like when you pick up a bigger weapon in walking dead, it moves a bit slower. I think that’s the idea.
@@FitProVR Yes, I get that but if you yourself don't feel it. It's just disorienting.
I know it's a bit different but if you have experience in weapon based martial arts, and played something like Blade & Sorcery, you can have the most realistic physics but it's just going to feel awkward if the VR hands/weapon and your real hand don't feel the same way.
Skallagrim mentioned this in one on his videos.
U can turn it on or off stop hating nerd
@@liltissue9571 just because I'm stating flaws doesn't mean I hate the game, I never mentioned once that it isn't fun, did I?
I'd have to check it again tho because you said you can turn it off, I remember checking at the settings and the only thing I managed to do is turn it down and it still feels a bit awkward.
@@FitProVR in counter argument - in Walking Dead its kind of mixed bag using two handed weapons. Its is limited to the better made quality weapons. Even though you start with friggin firefighter axe, it feel more of the pool noodle if you do not hit according to the game correctly "at the sweet spot" which is insane. In real life, I am swigging with the force that could lop of any bullnecked bodybuilder's noggin clean (tried in real life with actual firefighter's dull axe, and yes, I am also certified firefighter who had to practice with chopping through obstacles such as doors. Easily lopped fake melon and tatame mat roll heads at least with just dull weight of the axe, even though not perfectly). But coming to TWD, my swings with the very same looking firefighter axe felt like I was hitting zombies with the pool noodle upside the head. Such mechanics are quite off putting, especially when the argument comes back to Creed, even with endurance mode. Its just too arcadey type of feel. While in TotF you can also cheese AI opponents to a degree (for example Edwards "Bill Clinton" can be cornered and just whailed with moderate strength to win by the points. All he does it just curl into defensive ball if you attack nonstop), but it still feels like the effort and techniques applied more realistic with your own fitness acting as the check.
Hi, I don’t box anymore so technically my opinion doesn’t matter but when you land shots it actually energized you to keep going. It’s a psychological thing. Thrill is good because your stamina in game is your stamina IRL. 3.5 years ago, it’s the game that got me into boxing in the first place
I actually enjoy both TOTF and Creed for different reasons, TOTF gives me tons of cardio , offense and footwork practice, while Creed rewards you for being on the defense like slipping and pulling back for a counter. I used to hate the exhaustion mechanic, but then I realize that in real sparring, you can only throw about 3-4 punches before having to evade.
In short, each game has its own strengths that I can use to practice different aspects of boxing.
You can actually turn the exhaustion meter for more fun in creed
@@CruzW123 I have totf should I get creed ?
@@senorbonbon noooo
@senorbonbon bro now the npc can damage u without attacking and pvp never works
That’s also what I thought, in Thrill some people just spam weak punches that might not be effective even for sparring. The exhaustion mechanic in Creed will somehow make you more disciplined in throwing punches.
But in Thrill of The Fight you do get the feel as if it is for real. - You do get tired, depending on the settings you've input there. Your character does lose power for example if hit too much and you wil be a lot easier to KO if you've taken too much damage. All of the paramenters in ToTF are real life input. - If you are tired in real life, you are tired in VR. Not like in Creed. You could be totally fresh and feeling good, but Creed in the game is gassing out for no reason at all.
Secondly, its weird mechanics of Creed, where KOs are more of the street fight. You or your opponent could be KOed and suddnely get up and lunge at you. Combos and punches are also not realistic. Same goes for dodges. You are limited by thumstic or hand roll walking.
Most of all the feel of "Not being Boxing Ring" is very present in Creed. in ToTF you basically outline your ring.
ToTF lacking multiplayer is huge problem. - But imagine if it did. The mechanics are real. The psychological feel is there too. When I started to play ToTF I definetly had that adrenaline feel of real boxing match. Then as I played I adjusted game settings to be more and more realistic, where you had to rely on real techniques to win, otherwise you'd be eating Canvas.
if ToTF had multiplayer (as it is planned for ToTF2), it would of beat every and any boxing game. - It's just simply realistic since it uses your real-life fitness level and skill vs someone else's real life fitness level and skill. - Not like Creed, with spamming and abusing game techniques. in Creed some 9 year old can trash talk to you and then spam quick punches to win for no reason. in ToTF punch forces are calculated based on the damage received and not on the "bop, bop, bop Whoever Scores More Touches Before Game Stamina Bar Runs Out". - So properly thrown punches is simply must.
While Creed might have "more realistic Damage Debuff effects" - ToTF have more realistic approach to boxing game overall from clinching, to throwing punches at the right places, and more correctly.
Underrated comment
What is the damage effect depending on? Do you need to throw and fast punch? How the "virtual force" is defined on these games? I assume controllers can only measure acceleration/velocity
@@Giuseppe_coachgius So far reading TotF developer's comment, basically it is similar to the Punching Arcade Machine at the dive bars. It measures the speed with the chronometer at which controller travels and/or accelerates with the weight value arbitrarily assigned (by default now set to 3000 but can be changed - this is as close as it gets to emulating someone's body mass behind the punch but not exactly realistic. Just as good as it gets).
@@Caliell you mean the 3000 parameter can be changed in the settings? I understand it is an arbitrary force assigned to the player used to calculate with the speed and/or acceleration of the controller, the damage? Would be good to know if there is a technical document released about it
You are right, i'm a boxer and try both game but TOTF better
Idk why people are saying creed isn’t as good of a workout. I did the campaign for like 10 minutes and was sweating like crazy and very exhausted. Im sure TOTF isa good workout as well, but creed is just as good. I also like the exhaustion meter because you cant just throw punches mindlessly. You actually have to know when and where to punch. TOTF you can just swing punches
Edit:
Just realized you can remove the exhaustion meter!
Lol. It’s simple… if you actually can box(which video evidence submitted… the poster can’t) thrill of the fight is legit. If u can’t box creed will be more fun to play
The stamina depends on who you are. A professional champion boxer played Creed and talked about how unrealistic it was compared to Thrill. He said, “I have so much energy and it’s like I have 2 lungs and 2 hearts!” And he hated the stamina bar and a lot of other things.
Which professional champion boxer was this?
Was that the one they did on a late night talk show type channel, where the channel host doesn't play the games, he gets profesional tenis players to play tennis, boxers for boxing, racers for racing, ect ect? If so, I saw one like that where he said the same thing, but cannot remember the channel, was just random autoplay.
You can now remove stamina in creed. Tell them ty💀
@@ArenTenkerian710 nice
Getting a VR today! Been watching your channel in preparation, keep it up 😁
Awesome! Have fun!
After playing creed for a week now, thanks for this video! I feel like many people that are waiting on TOTF pvp should try creed and just give it enough time to get used to. I'm getting a lot of fights with people who are trying to actually box instead of just get a quick W, and it's just so much more enjoyable to have the challenge of a real person. When TOTF 2 comes out and brings the sim experience to multiplayer, I hope they add ranked! Give me something to _literally_ fight for! There is such a lack of ranked competitive games in VR, and so many games could benefit from it. But 1v1 fighting almost needs it to stay exciting, lets hope 🙏
How did you manage to get a PVP game? I've had creed for 4 months and I've never got connected to a game in the 10+ times I've tried. My internet works I've talked to Oculus support and and they tell me it's a developer issue
@@paulq0246 what country are you in? It might be a regional issue. I'm in the US and I've had it tell me the servers are full before! Sometimes it'll be searching for a few minutes, and sometimes it kicks me out when I join, but not too often.
Rank would be crazy and so fun and amazing
what do you think about totf 2 after 1 year?
1. Thrill of the fight has music.
2. I like how thrill of the fight skips all of the cartoony stuff that most of the time just ends up being mor irritating than fun. Also if you set the difficulty up and mess with the custom modifiers in a fight Toft punishes you hard for not being defensive and actually blocking and slipping hits. Toft to me has more immersive gameplay. I don’t find it very immersive to be thrown into a cartoony storyline. But i personally think the games are equal and both have strengths and weaknesses that make them individually fun.
Although thinking totf doesn’t have music in a fight. I didn’t really think about that because I listen to my own music when playing totf
Creed has plenty of inspirational music
I've seen so many of these videos about Creed rise to Glory and the gameplay but nobody mentions 'the montage will improve your stamina' the better you do the less you see your stamina drain
If Creed wasn't broken I think I would like it a lot more, but the bugs ruined it for me in the story mode. During all the training segments my character would always spawn backwards or off to the side and out of the area of the training piece and I would always end up with 1 or 2 star endurance. Unfortunately a patch is just never gonna come to fix it. Stinks, because the actual boxing feels pretty good in the game.
That’s your headset problem unfortunately. It never happened to me.
I think it's worth mentioning that Thrill of the Fight was made by one guy, while Creed was made by a well-funded studio. I didn't like Creed very much, but I was playing wirelessly via my PC, and the hand tracking lagged like no other game I've played. Maybe I'll give the native Quest version a try. Accurate hand tracking is kiiiind of important here.
I feel like thrill has more than just one guy.
@@FitProVR nope! It was all Ian Fitz. He did hire a 3D artist for some of the work on the boxers, but it was a bit of outsourcing/contract work, not another team member. He even did most of the sound design himself or with stock audio files.
@@31Takamine jobs.gamasutra.com/company/sealost-interactive%2C-llc-192179
@@FitProVR is this supposed to prove me wrong? Keep googling.
@@31Takamine no just showing you the info i used. Their studio has a bunch of people listed as their team for their studio
Huge help seeing the opinion from an actual fighter and vr user, love how you invite people to disagree in the comments and share ideas. Love what you’re doing!!!!
I got creed first, thinking it was better because of the more polished look, but since I tried TOTF, creed doesn’t get much play anymore. It’s just more satisfying to KO Money Maker and The Duke on outclassed difficulty than it is with all the “slow down time” gimmicks of creed. But one of the best things TOTF has is Mixed Reality (so you won’t put your fist through the tv or walls.
I appreciated this video even though I am biased against creed. 30 dollars vs 10 is what got me. But Creed is definitely worth it. I think thrill of the fight still makes the workout better for me since it's my own stamina that it uses. Creed is sick though and this video was pretty well made. You took a risk putting "minutes of shitty jokes" but I think the open minded perspective and humor was pretty on point.
Appreciate the feedback 🙏
Lets be honest, Creed and The Thrill of the fights are good games, both of them has good graphics and nice Movement Animation, i play more The Thrill of the fights because im a proffesional Boxing fighter and with The thrill of the fights i train my combos and i play the thrilll of the fights to move my body and fight and learn more about combos, i use Creed to but i use more the thrill of the fights because for me, the movements are realistic but both games are good! i like both of them, the reason why i use more the thrill of the fights is because you can move more and do your own Movement and in Creed you cant move unless you click in the buttons to move but you need to use your head to move and thats kinda hard and something that happens to me is when i punch in Creed, the punches doesnt look realistic and it gets tired and you need to defend so they can be able to fight again and thats not something realistic, in real life you move while you get energy and in the Thrill of the fights i move while i get energy and thats why i like more The thrill of the fights, but both games are so good and i love them! nice video also!
You say one of the main differences is creed has “forced exhaustion” where if you punch too fast your fighter becomes tired. Lol well in Thrill it’s the same thing except in reality YOUr fighter becomes tired 😅
You can turn that off in endurance mode now
I ONLY WATCHED THIS TO DECIDE WICH ONE TO BUY AND YOU REALLY HELPED ME THANKS. IM GOING TO BUY Creed rise of glory
The stamina meter doesn’t make sense in creed because there’s no point in a stamina meter because WE are the stamina meter because if your not tired but the person in the game is tired that makes it not fun
Ik this comment is old but you can remove the stamina meter now👍
Bro said because like 3000000 times lol
I like creed
More cause it’s way more realistic
I like thrill off the fight more because you can make there head movement quicker and make there damage as much as you want. While in creed you can change damage and health but it’s hard to go to points on creed
About to try Creed, I have been losing weight with TOTF and I love it. I put my airpods on with my fav playlist and just say "Siri skip song" I sweat so much and feel super beat up after I am done. On custom mode 4 rounds of 4mins and extremely hard to knockout my opponents.
This was super helpful, creed has better graphics, and better physics. Thanks for the video, ik im kinda late💀💀
Graphics sure but no way your saying creed has better physics. I like creed but that is it’s biggest flaw, you can just swing your hands around and win
I like both but I play thrill of the fight more often because it feels like a better workout.
It is!
Plus I feel like it's genuinely more realistic, you can't parry at all in creed, in totf it works but 100% of the time
TOTF has become my regular cardio for the past year. It is great, I use some old mma gloves for added weight and with the endless customization it is never boring.
Which one gives the experience that feels closer to what Wii Sports did? Wii Sports Boxing, for what it was, was fucking excelent, just serious enough, and just arcady enough, to get invested in, get good at, not have to think too hard about, and get a descent workout. What I'm looking for, and if other games can offer an experience that is closer to what I'm looking for, I'm open, for now I'm waiting for Thrill of the Fight 2 to see how that one is knowing how much people like the courent one, and the 2022 being thrown by the devs as when they announce 2, if I recall properly, don't want to jump into something too fast, but yeah.
I'm looking for what could described as Wii Sports Boxing+ VR. Plus for like, it's a propper dedicated full game instead of a compilation of minimini cool games as a tech demo so it has extra content and more depth. What VR boxing game gets the closest to that?
PS: I would also love a sword fighting game that follows the same philosophy, some sort of... Wii Sports HEMA+ VR.
Between these two probably creed.
ToTF cuts to the chase. Hit play, and you're in the ring, no fuss. Creed? It's a slog. Endless logos, animations, a whole minute of fluff before the bell rings.
In ToTF, it's a real scrap. Your punches hit home, and you can see it in their eyes, the way they reel, teetering on a knockout. But if you go all out, your arms feel like lead. Creed's a cakewalk. Soft taps, no real fight, just a game.
ToTF keeps it grounded. You move natural, no gimmicks, no queasiness. They've got this mixed reality setup to keep you from wrecking the place. Creed? It's a standstill, more like shadow boxing.
Graphics? Neither's a showstopper. Creed tries too hard, ends up looking worse. ToTF's no eye candy, but it's honest work.
The vibe in ToTF? It's bare-bones but reacts to your good hits, gives a bit of that ring atmosphere. Creed? It's a waiting game. Wait, wait, and more waiting.
While a don’t disagree with most of it, i think people who really like to customize settings and are okay with playing against the same 6(?) opponents over and over again are cool with it. I get bored too easily.
The thing I like about Thrill is is let’s you dictate how you fight.
I haven’t played Creed but it looks a little more “arcade” for lack of a better term. I could be wrong. However I would love to play it.
You definitely have more autonomy in thrill.
As a big fan of Thrill of the fight Creed sure looks interesting. Having a decent story and pvp makes it seem more like a complete game when you compare the two. But atm I play Outclassed on Thrill of the fight so I hope Creed will give a comparable challenge.
it wont
Agreed, because TOTF is real and driven by the player’s physical ability as well as boxing skills. Creed is a video game. Imagine having to pump your hand to move . . . Total video game move.
You actually kinda get tired quicker shadow boxing.
You get much more tired if you hit a punching bag instead of shadow boxing
The slow motion free shots that creed has are my biggest problem. That and the flubber legs. So as far as a boxing simulator goes, I'd put it as a draw, and a big win for knockout league, as it has the most arcadey and gimmichy game stuff, but it has hands down the BEST training modes of any vr boxing game or app I've seen yet. The player vs player DEF puts creed overall just a touch above thrill, but only if you've got a decent group of people / community to get reliable games consistently. Without that, I'd say thrill for fun factor, knockout league for flat training usefulness, and creed for niche pvp and for theming to rocky.
Graphics wise is completely subjective and to try and make the comparison without tossing a cord on to run in pcvr mode, you really don't have anything to compare their original intended look to the mobile quest 2 result after ported. You'll notice thrill is much closer to it's original, and had a much smaller budget. Sure, you don't hyave arms or legs in thrill, but the engine is way less "cartoony', more photo realistic. So depending on your personal preference, photo realistic is always harder to nail, and they do quite well porting to quest with minimal loss of fidelity. They took arms out in order to help optimize, but legs they never put in because it flat out doesn't work well PERIOD without full body tracking no matter what boxing game you're playing, which wasn't available at the time these games were made. Get in creed, look at legs and dance around a bit and see how non intuitive it gets. That's why thrill didn't render legs, and without full body tracking, it will stay that way.
Another big difference is what playspace you're using. In a full 6m x 6m playspace, which one makes better use of the space, and which one tends to have you basically standing in place, with maybe a shuffle step or two to the side and back once in a while?
Which one can you literally chin dodge, without it being a matter of just ANY head movement back or down equals a dodge?
Which one tests you (as a trained fighter) in your ability to judge distance accurately?
These are the things I think you should have made points about, and if yu cover this topic again, I'd like to see your in depth thoughts on knockout league's training scenarios.
Good write up def gonna check out knockout league
The only thing I hate about thrill of the fight you have to move around your room to move in vr
"Oh, and while you're down there......"
I try to work that in as much as possible too.
IMO, Creed is more fun to play, TOTF is a better work out
That’s fair!
Agreed Rocky 5 is one of my favorite Rocky movies. Never understood all the hate
I’d love to play Thrill of the fight but there’s no rooms in my house that are big enough and you have to physically walk around
great vid very funny ! i have thrill of the fight, just played it first time few hours ago…. now I want to get Creed !
Try the demo!
here I'd say I prefer thrill of the fight, because, creed is more made in an arcade style, thrill of the fight is more like a work of the day game where it's more a game to make you sweat and feel proud after knocking out your opponent
As a boxer and boxing trainer i dont agree. Im not fanboy but Creed is a game and Thrill is a simulator. You are right that noobs can spam in Thril but if you know something about boxing and really fight like you would in real life the game is brutally realistic. You dont need stamina because you get tired in real life. Creed is ok, but its arcade.
I like thrill more mainly because without the forced exhaust you get a better workout because you are punching hard and longer.
I train in a boxing gym, which game is better to maintain/ strengthen actual boxing technique?
Neither.
@@FitProVR fr, do you know any vr games that strengthen or maintain technique?
@@Cobra-527-03 not really. Most of this stuff is cardio boxing so it’s not really meant for it
@@FitProVR lol what is I were to put a punching bag in front of me while playing creed? Wouldn’t I get the muscle benefits?
@@Cobra-527-03 you’d likely get broken wrists but i know of at least one game that will be incorporating something like this soon
Great video loved the breakdown and comedy... definitely subscribed to this channel
Thanks!
How do you fight bare knuckle in creed????
Pc vr
Hello I train in a boxing gym, can thrill of the fight or creed help you with stamina for real boxing/ sparring?
yes since it is very exhausting and the movements are similar
If u have a boxing ring you can make the zone as big as the boxing ring and you get to move freely
Yes definitely! Just turn off knockouts and go through as many rounds as you physically can and then add another 2 rounds
I've seen you mention that wearing wrist weights is a bad idea because of the momentum from the weights pulling your joints and ligaments. But, what about resistance bands? I would think that putting a resistance band from one wrist and wrap it around my upper body to my other wrist would increase intensity while pulling back the momentum from my punches.
Interested to see what your thoughts are 1 year later. Just bought my first headset, and trying to build out a set of core workout games. Was thinking about beatsaber + Les Mills, but considering replacing Les Mills with one of these.These both seem more engaging than punching targets.
When I was fully training mma and BJJ like a year ago , I mean like at least 4x a week + roadwork and weights
Creed would be a great workout I'm not sure about totf
Also, if you're not going out of your way to cheat (deactivating the auto adjust force multiplier) then sure, you can swing away to your heart's content; for the first few rounds, maybe 2 fights total. It by then has adjusted the force multiplier and you'll now HAVE to do that to do ANY damage to the higher up opponents (even many pros that purposfully set this to spaghetti arm strength punches and set opponent to iron chin) admit that it's one hell of a workout, and really can't be done long term and still win.
Hey bro, I not long ago bought a Quest 2, I was wondering if we could work out together on it, still very new to the interface and VR in general, how would I add you? :) Also great video!!
For sure! Add me as a friend on the quest, same name as my RUclips channel
This was genuinely helpful to which vr game I want to buy bitween the two. I like goofy games but I love immersive games also and Creed would be a very good game for me to get. Ps: to the people who skipped to the end how dare you 😡. He deserves a sub at least
You make some good points, and I respect the opinion of a real fighter, but there is a lot of info missing here. I'm not a fan of how the rounds are abbreviated in Creed, or moving your character with the controllers, or the Mike Tysons Punch Out mechanic to get up after a knockout. Opponents in Creed always get very close, closer than your reach, and you can't keep distance on them because of the games limitations with movement. And they always throw one unblockable punch to knock you out. They feel like cheap shots, where in TOTF I feel like I deserved to get knocked out because I was getting lazy with my guard. Opponents in TOTF require more defensive nuance. I find myself ducking, bobbing and weaving more. It takes far more punches and strength to knock them out, while Creed uses the little mini game where you punch in 5 specific spots to knock them out, which really reminds you it's a game, not a simulator.
TOTF's fighters have more dynamic styles. You have a wider range with the fighters height, speed, and aggression. And they throw fewer punches later into the fight, which is realistic. The later rounds become more about endurance. TOTF also gives you more feedback on how much damage you're doing to them, with the different colored damage indicators, the grunts they make, and the wounds that start appearing on their face. The game also simulates holding, when you move your head too close into the opponent so they can't hit you, and the ref calls you out on it. Something thats a big part of real boxing.
TOTF calculates the speed and momentum of your punches properly in a way Creed doesnt. A slower hook will do more damage than a faster jab. While in Creed a fast and easy to throw jab is always best, and throwing hooks and the strength they take make them not worth throwing. TOTF provides more detailed stats on the fight, for you and the opponent, so you can better gauge your improvements. There's also more difficulty levels, and more custom settings for the opponents.
But Creed's licensed characters, arenas, crowd, music is way better, and the training element is cool, and its great that it offers online multiplayer, but i've never been able to find any matches. It was probably easier to find them 2 years ago. Creed is the better game, and TOTF is the better simulator.
Some problems with creed that you might not notice and make you realize that gameplay is very different from thrill.
Punch Damage
1. When you punch, it's either blue or red, blue meaning you did 10 damage and red meaning you did 20, but since it's almost impossible to land a blue punch while you are in a match every punch is basically 20 damage so it's only how many times you can punch in a second
Blocking
2. Punching an enemies block literally does nothing. In thrill of the fight, depending on which punch you performed and how much force you put into the punch and the enemy blocked it, the hands will move and can push the enemy back a little bit.
Health Points
3. Creed uses a health bar and considering that you can only do 20 damage per hit is kind of lame. In thrill of the fight there is no health bar, as each punch you use is a different effect and depending on how hard you hit them and where really affects your gameplay, this makes it so combos actually matter (like in actual boxing)
The only real thing to worry about in Thrill is the way you fight. Before playing I would recommend learning the basics of boxing so that your form and punching power is accurate.
In my opinion thrill of the fight is a much better work out and if it's too easy, or you want to practice things such as dodging, or reaction time, you can specially customize the opponents traits to however you want it to be, so the game doesn't get old and boring.
Liked the review and your Chanel, and as someone who has boxing, kickboxing, and mma experience I could not disagree more with #1. If you are relying on video game mechanics to simulate something, you are by definition less realistic than the game that does not. The best way to simulate the fatigue of a fight is to actually get tired, not hand jog your spirit back to the ring or hold your hands in the air against some weird circles. I get the spamming point, but if u use REAL technique and go for the knockout in TOTF, (which as you say is harder and again that’s MORE realistic), you will gas. I do think you are right on the equipment, music, game play / but more realistic mechanics based on endurance bars and out of body experiences lol no brah :)
Endurance meters are optional! You can play without them!
@@FitProVR yeah sorry got that from the comments later - It sounds like they got rid of them in certain options, because so many people complained that they were NOT realistic. Now we just need to get rid of “wave your hands in the air like really don’t care” knockout recovery stuff and creed will be on its way :)
I play thrill of the fight with 2 pound weighted gloves on to try and give it a little bit more realism
just bought TOTF and you're making me wish I bought Creed lol
I have both and prefer totf for the pure fact of price and the fact you can train in totf the only training in creed you get is from campaign and I don't like how every character has different stats no matter how you fight, punch or play I'd rather play a game where I can hone in my boxing skills, creed is definitely better for less experienced boxers
there is a new update in creed called endurance mode, it removes the stamina
Frrr?
In PlayStation 4?
They are both technically Technique driven games. Hate it when people say they are not. You still gotta learn how to play and adapt to the mechanics. And when it comes to pvp obviously..(i know ttotf doesn’t have that yet but when it does)..there will be players that are better then others bcz they know the mechanics and know Techniques to use in the games
Creed seems very slick and gimmicky. I like the simplicity of using Thrill of the Fight.
For sure! I totally understand that, creed is set up more like a “game”
The full version of Creed for me was BUGGY AF, but I kept the demo version as my go-to warmup
Thank you so much for helping me decide
Thrill has mixed reality mode, which is huge
Sorry guys, but throwing a punch and missing is a lot more tiring and straining than hitting your attended target. Yes, hitting an elbow or cranium can hurt your knuckle bones, but missing wastes energy and strains muscles.
If u want fun game get creed. If your looking to just box and test skills get totf
Thank you for this. I own creed the psvr but now have the psvr2 and been wanting to upgrade and I've been reading A LOT over thrill of the fight and how it's better then creed but this made my mind up for me. Creed for the win.
I like Creed if I wanna chill and have a relaxed fight but If I'm tryna learn a technique or manage stamina I always go for totf
Sad that Tommy 'The Duke" Morrison wouldn't be added. I wonder why? That dude was an amazingly fun glass-cannon to watch IRL, and Rocky 5 was totally legit. Sad news for Tommy all around.
That aside, I only have TOTF and find it a great workout and it 'feels' smooth. However, it's super shallow. It has zero narrative, which makes it a totally different experience. You also can't customize your own avatar/character, which feels missing. As far the stamina thing is concerned, I can agree with both sides of the argument, depending on what kind of game you want.
Does anyone know if you can turn off snap turning in creed? because that’s the only reason I don’t like playing it. It’s a more feature filled and polished game, that makes me loose track of where I am ,knock shit over and hurt myself.
I don't believe Creed is more realistic for its endurance mechanics because everyone's real life endurance is different. You can also get equally winded shadow boxing vs punching a bag so that's really bad moot point unless you're wearing some really heavy gloves that cushion your hand so you don't have very much any risks of injury. Even still Thrill of the Fight is more realistic because you get tired when you get tired and not when a avatar gets programmed to get tired.
TOFT allows me to actually pick my spots, move, and angle to pick my shots without feeling like I'm in some quasi super hero boxing verse..We want real looking characters, that allow you to work your way in or out of fight..as a former sparring champ lol thks is the closest I've been to fighting without the damage
Since creed stands in the same spot, could you line a real punching bag in the spot of the person in the game and hit it?
Thanks bro. Somebody had to say it 😂
I don't even have the full game for creed yet I've been playing the demo but I could definitely say I already enjoy it I haven't tried thrill of the fight so I can't give my opinion on that one but I think creed is pretty good
Honestly i have a really good friend he gives me challenges and gives me a budget and he gifts me a game, right now, my budget is 5 dollars, i got surgineer my old budget was 10 dollars but when i get 15 more should i get thrill or save up for creed?
I've played thrill of the fight for an hour. It was good, but graphics wasn't that good. Then I saw Creed. Graphics, colors, were better. And audience has face ahahaha
Basically for me I would say thrill is for wanting to work out but creed is wanting to have fun beating the crap out of people
Better call saul, you don't need a criminal lawyer you need a criminal lawyer 😉
Doesn't matter how you try to paint it, thrill of the fight is more realistic yes or yes.
While I appreciate creed having more features and being more polished, I do find myself getting disoriented having to use my controller to navigate instead of just my footsteps which is done better with thrill.
A very earnest video showcasing Creed's highlighting aspects, both games are a huge inspiration for VFC during it's road of development
2:50 is bs i get more tired in thrill of the fight than i get actually hitting somthing
I haven’t played Thrill of the Fight,I played through Creed on PSVR1
i want to see a game where a dev mashes thrill of the fight with creed rise to glory.
I still don't like creed, but I like the way you are doing reviews!
0:44 Sorry, I didn't quite catch that...
Lol
Loved this video, I bought Creed, and wanted to see if buying TOTF is worthit as well, loved the jokes and everything you said which made the video more enjoyable. Forget what a few people said in the comments 💀💀
Lol they can’t faze me!
@@FitProVR Nothing can phase the iron sense of humour!
@@DandaPlayz i don’t dish it if i can’t take it
My main issue creed wise is that it doesn’t maintain a legitimate pace like Thrill does. If you’re on the back foot throwing combinations at an incoming opponent in creed, they won’t get tired and will continue moving forward since your punches have a set damage output. In thrill you’re able to throw back and push your opponent backwards by countering rather than solely having to rely on boxing in a phone booth since your counters are so inefficient.
Nahh the fighting is like punching hanging meat. YOU CANT DO ANY DAMAGE.
I just went with Totf based on price and basics...I'm a skellington with MS and lifelong Asthma turning 40...I'm trying to expand my health and fitness...I boxed the ghost for 1 round and gassed/melted out but I felt great! Any tips for warmups or anything so I don't over do it and hurt myself?
Fight the sparring partner and set his speed way down. Good warm up!
I have both games and hands down prefer TOTF. Creed has great graphics and presentation and that’s where it ends. Creed is so glitching and the boxing isn’t realistic at all. You can dodge punches and still get knocked out and also knock people out with just feeler jabs. The tracking is just bad and I’m not sure if it tracks the power of your shot at all.
TOTF is way more realistic for punching, dodging, and movement. You can bounce in and out and change angles while the game recognizes your power very well. It’s not perfect but it is very close. If TOTF gets the animation and story line like Creed it will be one of the best games ever made. In my mind, TOTF is the best game on the Occulus by far
Thanks for the advice... Cyber Monday deal I'm going to purchase Creed and from your other video les mills body combat.
Good choice!
Creed is more of a fun boxing game and thrill of the fight is a fun boxing simulator
In creed you can just throw your arms too quickly and doing too much damage. In thrill of the fight you have to dodge counter to get a power shot
Thrill is just better
10 times more exhausted playing thrill than creed, with or without game-tiredness. Creed was u fun game until it was finished. Thrill you can come back to again and again.
Great video, I have some MMA training, my training was more boxing/strike based because my natural skill set lends me to hit very hard. IMO both games are very good but TOTF is a more realistic game IMO. Creed's exaustion meter is based on a very out of shape throw 4 punch tired person which is 80% of the population the other 20% who have combat training can see Creeds biggest flaw which is baseline exhaustion. Some guys can throw harder and longer then others, Creed takes this out of the equation, ToTF uses actual physical tiredness which does not represent a real fight like you pointed out but does so better then Creed IMO.
Both games are amazing I'm 50+ and grew up with the Atari 2600. VR literally blows my mind. The potential there is unlimited from keeping the lonely elderly company to helping a fighter train for a big fight, we live in a very cool time. A time where an AI powered VR assistant could do the small time consuming tasks and give a passionate cancer doctor the time they need to find a cure for that horrible disease. 👍
I like the relevant jokes and stuff with the review. Don’t take that away. You got time stamps if people want to skip.
Tommy finally got added lol
I like both but thrill is cheaper so I bought that one 💀
I’ve had thrill since I first got my quest 2 in 2021 and I just got freed yesterday and it is light years better😂
I think thrill is better
I don't know "Creed: Rise to Glory" but I'm fine with thrill of fight right now. When I'll be done with all the Outclassed fights I will search for something else maybe. I play thrill of the fight when I'm in a good condition only after 30 min of audio trip.
Once you're done with outclassed, turn off the auto mass multiplier and turn on wrapped wrists.
Wrapped wrists require you have good wrist alignment to do good damage making it more realistic.
Also, remove your auto mass multiplier. Lower it down to around 1.3-1.5 to make your punches more consiistent.
@@IanSumallo One down, three to go.
Thanks for the tips. I'll test that. I guess this is when you choose customization fight
@@matthieu--vidal No, not in match customization. In settings at the main menu screen.
@@IanSumallo Ok thanks
Funny how none of the things totf is actually good at was a category. Realism, difficulty, intensity, when you get punched hard your screen goes grey and your character grunts, crowd cheers etc. Although I agree with everything said in the video except some of mechanics, you hardly have to punch at all in creed and in totf disable mass multiplier and set it 1-1.2, makes it a LOT more realistic in every way.
My guy me getting jabbed in creed and losing doesn’t make any sense. Plus creed has a system of health where the opponent has a certain amount of health rather than you hitting them in the right spot with the right power. Creed doesn’t render any of these which makes it an unrealistic experience.