Using the EF 85 1.2 II professionaly for years now. Sharpness even wide open is more than you need for portraits. Flares can make for very beautiful pictures. For weddings i would like faster focusing speed but i tend to do the "quick stuff" closer in with 35mm or 50mm anyway, so even that is do able. its already a lovely very characteristic lens, and with the better (eye) autofocus the eos R gives me it even became more useful. If you have the money: buy the RF. if you wanna save, get the EF. just dont try to photograph running kids and dogs close-up, that does not work with the older lens.
Such a great review, entertaining, fun, to the point and with great samples. Short and sweet, what else could you ask for? Keep up the good work and stay safe! Greetings from Scotland!
Yeah I’m hard pressed to get rid of mine... I actually really enjoy it’s “flaws” and find the images to be much less sterile and overly perfect than modern 85’s
I can imagine. I like it too on my film lenses. But of course I could never use them for iris pulls. Although I don’t do these very often with my cine lenses anyway.
You should have considered the Canon EF 85mm F1.4 L IS lens as well. While it's optics are not as refined as the ones from the new RF glass, it has a very fast autofocus and image stabilization which makes it an amazing event lens as well.
Great review, I'm going stick with my FD and EF versions of this lens. I've seen examples of the new DS version and they look fake or like a filter has been applied.
amazing video! ive had the EF 85 for absolutely ages, and recently put a pre order in for the R6, I have been talking to Canon on their live chat about the R6 and I asked about upgrading my EF lenses and they recommended the RF 85mm and that led me to your video, really does look stunning! I think im going to have to make the jump!
I have the second EF version, and it works extremely well with the updated eye auto focus on the EOS R. In fact it focuses faster and more precisely than on any of the old DSLRs! In very low light too. That adapter is genius. I like the imperfections of the old one. Call it "character" :-)
same here. occassionally i silently sweared using it for wedding reportage and missing a moment due to the slow autofocus, but with the years i learned to grab the second camera with a shorter faster lens and going closer when those moments unfold. the 85 works best for slower paced moments. you get a feeling when to use it and how. and then its a lovely piece of glass.
The original 85mm f/1.2L was actually the FD mount version. The FD 85/1.2L was released in 1980. It was actually a slight evolution of the FD 85mm f/1.2 SSC released in 1976.
You guys are such a great team, I love watching your videos for the great information, the lovely locations and the comedic aspect between the two of you. The tone of your voice Chris is also very calming, it's kind of like doing a yoga class or something 😆 Keep up the good work.
They also made an 85mm f1.2 FD version long before the EF version. It's manual focus though. I enjoy using it more than the EF version because of the smaller size.
I have an EF. Never had an issue with focussing speed as its not the kind of lens one uses for fast moving objects. Differences between it & RF aren't worth paying twice as much
It bears repeating this comparison uses the much older EF lens version. The newer EF Version II lens produces practically identical images to the RF in real life use. Both spectacular lenses.
Canon has has a FD 85 mm f/1.2, would be interesting to compare it, too. Sure, the AF with that lens is even slower than the first EF-version. But sharpness and bokeh might be good and pleasing in comparison with the EF. The RF-lens seems to be a little to sharp to me.
Another exciting-to-following and very practical review with a just the right pinch of fun. Thanks for that! (I‘m a Sony shooter, though, but enjoyed it regardless!)
Thanks for the info. I already have the EF 85mm f/1.4 but wanted to buy the EF 85mm f/1.2 for some very exclusive studio photography that I do. But after your review, I will purchase the RF 85mm f/1.2
The street price for a new Canon RF 85MM 1.2 lens is still over 1700 dollars more than I just paid for a used EF MKII 85MM 1.2. I’m glad RF mount lenses are here with more advanced designs and coatings, partially because it’s dropping the price for amazing glass that still has a long usable lifespan. (Photography isn’t where I make my living, so while it would nice to have the RF, I certainly don’t need it for my portraiture photography.)
Good video but why not show 1080p example videos so you can see what full frame video is like. i feel like 1080p doesn’t get a lot of love when in reality it’s easier to work with and more than enough for youtube where everyone watches on their phones. can’t wait to see reviews on all the new Canon equipment. RF 50 IS! 85 F2 IS!
what do you think will look different at 1080p? you can always grab your camera with a zoom lens and set it to 85mm and 1080p to see the angle of view. if you have a FF, on APS C it's 1.6x so about 50mm = 80mm FF and on micro 4/3 it's about 2x (+ any video crop) so about 40mm 4/3 = 80mm FF same for aperture FF 100mm f8 = APS C 60mm f5.6 = micro 4/3 50mm f2 give or take (playing lose on the maths to keep the numbers simple :P) think that's correct, mostly
I'm shooting with the RF 85mm f/1.2L USM lens and have since decommissioned my EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM lens. I enjoyed the video but I feel it didn't cover the features of the RF lens in any depth (for example: the Blue Spectrum Refractive Optics, Air Sphere Coatings, Fluorine & ED Elements). These features (some of them new to the RF lens), in addition to the advantages of the RF lens Mount, results in exceptional differences in eliminating LOCA, reducing coma and cutting lens flare & ghosting down to non-existent levels. For everyday photography, much of this is overlooked. But in more specialized photography (like Astro-photography), the difference in image quality is absolutely extraordinary. Canon made the RF 85mm f/1.2L to exceed the EF 85mmL lenses on many levels and it shows when you're able to compare the differences. Just my thoughts.
What's the difference/drawback from using a really fast lens like this to create bokeh or instead using a slower lens but at a much longer focal length?
Hey, thanks for this video. Can i suggest another video? A comparison between RF 85mm f/2 Macro against EF 85mm f/1.2 L with adaptar on a mirrorless camera? Here in Brazil, an used 85mm EF 1.2L has a price similar to a brand new RF 85mm f/2. Thanks!
I have my canon r6 with the EF 85mm 1.2 and the focusing is so much faster and the shots are super sharp. Don’t ever have any problems with focusing on my subject. And I make my model jump and run and I get them spot on. I feel like the canon R, isn’t that good... I do wanna get the RF version but $3000 lens wow. If anything i would want to get me the 1.4 version. If I need it for more image stabilization but the Canon R6 already has amazing IBIS
I had both. I sold sigma ane main reason was CA. On sigma it was quite bad, that even Lr had sometimes problems. Sigma was also bigger, because of adapter. Bokeh wise quite similar
The EF85L was my most used lens. I loved it as a family member.... Then the RF85 came and my world changed. The RF85 is so fast and reliable I can work all day at f/1.2 if I want to. With the old EF I sometimes had to spend a lot of work coloring away red, green, purple edges... these days are gone. The new af is so fast that it's good enough for moving heads... every shot at f/1.2 is in focus, all the time. The RF85 is a gamechanger for me. I would change systems for this lens.
Shooting events and red carpets, this lens will probably never be part of my arsenal. Most of my portrait work is shot with a 70-200 or a 17-70 to give me more elbow room and depth of field. But this lens looks great.
Would have been nice if you compared to the original 85 f/1.2 for the FD mount, the first EF 85-like you included, the 2nd EF 85, the EF 85 f/1.8, and then finally the RF 85-like you included. More of a history lesson, less of an intentionally lopsided comparison.
Wish you had added the EF 85mm f/1.4L IS to this comparison since with IS it was my choice for the EOS R. Used to have the EF 1.2L II as well but unfortunately sold it last year and decided that getting a used EF 85/1.4L IS for only $1000 US and saving $1700 was the better way to go.
I love my EF version, ... but yeah, 4k on canon is usable on the M6 mk II, the 90D and the 5D mark IV for now... even the R5 gets hot and stops, so, it's not a very good option... For portraits, 85mm is always a challenge, but the pain is worth the results.
The best widefield astrophotography lens Canon has ever produced. Sure, it’s like hanging a coffee can off the front of your camera but it has no peers in the Canon ecosystem when it comes to Milkyway panos and larger deep sky objects.
I got an FD 85/1.2 for my Eos R for $400 ... no autofocus but optically superior to the first gen EF lens and about on par with second gen EF for sharpness. The larger image circle of the FD is a better fit for the R system. Really if you're on EF than stick with EF. If you're on the R system, or migrating to the R system and don't already have the EF 85 1.2 ... If you need autofocus buy the RF otherwise get the FD. If you already have the second gen EF, it's not worth the upgrade to RF.
As I read these comments, I am so glad that Tonêh has been adopted as a word in the photography community
Hahaaaaa!!! And Tony is pissed! 😂😂😂
@@airdailyx really? did tony say he was unhappy with people saying it?
What's faster f1.2 or Chris saying "welcomebacktodpreviewtvviewers"
I'd need to sell both my kidneys to afford this amount of Tonéh.
who is going to pay for the dialysis?
@@mytravellinfo canon 😂😂😂😜😜
I will buy your kidneys from you Hahahahhahahahaha
The Tonéh! 😀😍😍
I love RUclips 😂
They need an intervention 😂
Where did this originate from? 😂
Colin Judge camera conspiracy on youtube, check the toneh video its hilarious 😂
@@maverickrodriguez7213 I haven't watched his stuff in far to long! Cheers, made my day!
Your model is absolutely amazing.
Lol all the toneh comments are cracking me up, maybe I'll start using it as well :)
Irene, please do a "Stacey" photographer skit with Casey from CameraConspiracies! The perfect colab.
@@victorshikhman omg Irene can be pitching an idea to canon execs!
So much Toneh, it's beautiful
Omg Toneh 1.2 😍😍😍😍
Posting at 3am: Of course it's strategic! Why would anyone say it's because that's when Jordan finished the edit? That would be ridiculous!
Now do the maths: 3AM is gematria is....
Finally! RF glass reviews :) Bonus thumbs-up for the shout-out to Irene.
The S1H gives such a beautifull footage!
Using the EF 85 1.2 II professionaly for years now. Sharpness even wide open is more than you need for portraits. Flares can make for very beautiful pictures. For weddings i would like faster focusing speed but i tend to do the "quick stuff" closer in with 35mm or 50mm anyway, so even that is do able. its already a lovely very characteristic lens, and with the better (eye) autofocus the eos R gives me it even became more useful. If you have the money: buy the RF. if you wanna save, get the EF. just dont try to photograph running kids and dogs close-up, that does not work with the older lens.
Sharpness on f1.2? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Such a great review, entertaining, fun, to the point and with great samples. Short and sweet, what else could you ask for? Keep up the good work and stay safe! Greetings from Scotland!
I really liked how you kept changing locations to keep the video interesting!
The EF lens is actually pretty incredible too.
even the FD version is very competent (except for the corners)
Yeah I’m hard pressed to get rid of mine... I actually really enjoy it’s “flaws” and find the images to be much less sterile and overly perfect than modern 85’s
Don’t forget that you can get the control rings declicked.
That is really useful, thanks!
I own some the RF lenses and didnt know that, although the clicking noise is quite pornographic.
I can imagine. I like it too on my film lenses. But of course I could never use them for iris pulls. Although I don’t do these very often with my cine lenses anyway.
*Toneh 1.2* 🖐😎✌👌👍💕
I saved a ton of money by giving up photography.
You should have considered the Canon EF 85mm F1.4 L IS lens as well. While it's optics are not as refined as the ones from the new RF glass, it has a very fast autofocus and image stabilization which makes it an amazing event lens as well.
The 1.8 usm 85mm ef also a nice lens
5:55 is it just me, or is the IS following Chris' face?
The C500II does the same thing.
It's a little weird...
You’re my one and only Chris ❤️
Great review, I'm going stick with my FD and EF versions of this lens. I've seen examples of the new DS version and they look fake or like a filter has been applied.
amazing video! ive had the EF 85 for absolutely ages, and recently put a pre order in for the R6, I have been talking to Canon on their live chat about the R6 and I asked about upgrading my EF lenses and they recommended the RF 85mm and that led me to your video, really does look stunning! I think im going to have to make the jump!
Wow, Irene Rudnyk's images in this video are stunning.
I have the second EF version, and it works extremely well with the updated eye auto focus on the EOS R. In fact it focuses faster and more precisely than on any of the old DSLRs! In very low light too. That adapter is genius.
I like the imperfections of the old one. Call it "character" :-)
same here. occassionally i silently sweared using it for wedding reportage and missing a moment due to the slow autofocus, but with the years i learned to grab the second camera with a shorter faster lens and going closer when those moments unfold. the 85 works best for slower paced moments. you get a feeling when to use it and how. and then its a lovely piece of glass.
which adapter do u use ? sigma MC 11 or Metabone ?
I have the EF toneh 1.2 and it's often a little much at max aperture.
Current lenses are only sharp but the old lenses they have character and good rendition. Sharpness is not everything
The original 85mm f/1.2L was actually the FD mount version. The FD 85/1.2L was released in 1980. It was actually a slight evolution of the FD 85mm f/1.2 SSC released in 1976.
The rendering is so different between the two lenses, it becomes a personal choice when it comes to the visual effects.
Don't forget the FD version. Still a pretty incredible lens !
That S1H video quality is freakin' awesome. Jordan really makes it shine.
This made me decide to keep my EF 1.2. Thanks.
Should had compare between the 85mmf/1.4L IS vs the RF 85mm
You guys are such a great team, I love watching your videos for the great information, the lovely locations and the comedic aspect between the two of you. The tone of your voice Chris is also very calming, it's kind of like doing a yoga class or something 😆
Keep up the good work.
Love my Olympus gear, but big cudos to Canon, those RF lenses are real gems.
hey guys! why not put a word in about the new samyang RF 85 1.4 and maybe a small comparison followup? pls? :)
Look at that Toneh at 3:23
now do you pronounce it Toneh or Tonah?
If you can afford it, your social status would dictate a pronunciation of Tonâh
They also made an 85mm f1.2 FD version long before the EF version. It's manual focus though. I enjoy using it more than the EF version because of the smaller size.
I always thought that original EF was so weird in how the focus barrel wouldn't move unless it was powered
Please more lens reviews please. I would still love to see, the Zeiss Otus/Milvus fight with the top lenses of other manufacturers.
The Toneh!!! 😍
there was also an FD mount 85mm 1.2
I have an EF. Never had an issue with focussing speed as its not the kind of lens one uses for fast moving objects. Differences between it & RF aren't worth paying twice as much
sometimes too much Toneh 😁
Tonâh 1.2 Level 5
NEVER!!
Thanks a lot for the very interesting and useful video! And a special thanks for showing Irenes's images, love her, she is so talented!
Yeah those images were stunning!
i don't even own or plan to own a canon camera/lens however I always enjoy your reviews, like your sense of humor.
Has anyone compared the EF 85mm f 1.4 versus the new 1.2 lens autofocus speed? I really want to know if the older EF lens was faster? Thanks!
“Half a Noct” 🤣
Very good to test the new kid and excellent to add the older one! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
It bears repeating this comparison uses the much older EF lens version. The newer EF Version II lens produces practically identical images to the RF in real life use. Both spectacular lenses.
Doubt.
Nope
How nice of Irene Rudnyk to let you borrow her lens!
the eos r also has a batterygrip option just saying :D
Great review. Thanks
Canon has has a FD 85 mm f/1.2, would be interesting to compare it, too. Sure, the AF with that lens is even slower than the first EF-version. But sharpness and bokeh might be good and pleasing in comparison with the EF. The RF-lens seems to be a little to sharp to me.
What AF is slower 😅?
It's manual focus
@@benjidoerr I know, it was ironic 🙂
@@marko25959 Good, just checking
Another exciting-to-following and very practical review with a just the right pinch of fun. Thanks for that!
(I‘m a Sony shooter, though, but enjoyed it regardless!)
Thanks for the info. I already have the EF 85mm f/1.4 but wanted to buy the EF 85mm f/1.2 for some very exclusive studio photography that I do. But after your review, I will purchase the RF 85mm f/1.2
great review
What gear did you use to rekord this video?
The street price for a new Canon RF 85MM 1.2 lens is still over 1700 dollars more than I just paid for a used EF MKII 85MM 1.2. I’m glad RF mount lenses are here with more advanced designs and coatings, partially because it’s dropping the price for amazing glass that still has a long usable lifespan. (Photography isn’t where I make my living, so while it would nice to have the RF, I certainly don’t need it for my portraiture photography.)
Awesome review!
Thanks for the awesome review
Perfect for eyelash photography when shot wide open.
Good video but why not show 1080p example videos so you can see what full frame video is like. i feel like 1080p doesn’t get a lot of love when in reality it’s easier to work with and more than enough for youtube where everyone watches on their phones. can’t wait to see reviews on all the new Canon equipment. RF 50 IS! 85 F2 IS!
what do you think will look different at 1080p?
you can always grab your camera with a zoom lens and set it to 85mm and 1080p to see the angle of view.
if you have a FF, on APS C it's 1.6x so about 50mm = 80mm FF and on micro 4/3 it's about 2x (+ any video crop) so about 40mm 4/3 = 80mm FF
same for aperture FF 100mm f8 = APS C 60mm f5.6 = micro 4/3 50mm f2 give or take (playing lose on the maths to keep the numbers simple :P)
think that's correct, mostly
it may see but soon it will look dated, like 720p videos look now
nobody is doing sports action with this lens, its a portrait lens. so im not worried if the focus is a bit slower. cant wait to get this lens
Always with the funny intros haha
They also made it in FD mount
Superb review so thanks for sharing
looking forward to the Xperia 1 ii test done by dpreview
Close your eyes on 0:17
I use my old Canon 100mm macro for portrait.
Came for the Tonéh.
Wasn't disappointed.
I'm shooting with the RF 85mm f/1.2L USM lens and have since decommissioned my EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM lens. I enjoyed the video but I feel it didn't cover the features of the RF lens in any depth (for example: the Blue Spectrum Refractive Optics, Air Sphere Coatings, Fluorine & ED Elements). These features (some of them new to the RF lens), in addition to the advantages of the RF lens Mount, results in exceptional differences in eliminating LOCA, reducing coma and cutting lens flare & ghosting down to non-existent levels. For everyday photography, much of this is overlooked. But in more specialized photography (like Astro-photography), the difference in image quality is absolutely extraordinary. Canon made the RF 85mm f/1.2L to exceed the EF 85mmL lenses on many levels and it shows when you're able to compare the differences. Just my thoughts.
What kind of strap is that? Also, you can get the ring declicked for a fee.
The micro contrast on the EF is unreal, the RF however, leaves a lot to be desired.
What's the difference/drawback from using a really fast lens like this to create bokeh or instead using a slower lens but at a much longer focal length?
Hey, thanks for this video. Can i suggest another video? A comparison between RF 85mm f/2 Macro against EF 85mm f/1.2 L with adaptar on a mirrorless camera? Here in Brazil, an used 85mm EF 1.2L has a price similar to a brand new RF 85mm f/2. Thanks!
Couldn't care about Canon lenses but I'll always click for the intro 👍
I have my canon r6 with the EF 85mm 1.2 and the focusing is so much faster and the shots are super sharp. Don’t ever have any problems with focusing on my subject. And I make my model jump and run and I get them spot on. I feel like the canon R, isn’t that good... I do wanna get the RF version but $3000 lens wow. If anything i would want to get me the 1.4 version. If I need it for more image stabilization but the Canon R6 already has amazing IBIS
@Lala Fuentes- Do you have the EF 85 1.2 ver1 or ver2? thanks!
Great vlog helpful, I have request my friend can you please tell me what equipment you used to shoot 1.29 timeline clip. Thanks In advance ✨
EF 85 1.4 IS would be ideal for photo and video as Eos R does not have IBIS.
I'd love to see a comparison in toneh between the 85gm sigma art and rf 85
I had both. I sold sigma ane main reason was CA. On sigma it was quite bad, that even Lr had sometimes problems. Sigma was also bigger, because of adapter. Bokeh wise quite similar
The EF85L was my most used lens. I loved it as a family member.... Then the RF85 came and my world changed. The RF85 is so fast and reliable I can work all day at f/1.2 if I want to. With the old EF I sometimes had to spend a lot of work coloring away red, green, purple edges... these days are gone. The new af is so fast that it's good enough for moving heads... every shot at f/1.2 is in focus, all the time. The RF85 is a gamechanger for me. I would change systems for this lens.
EF F/1.4 IS
When will there be a 85L DS vs Sony 85 GM video?
OUTSTANDING INFO COMMENTARY. 🐢📷🐢📷🐢📷
Shooting events and red carpets, this lens will probably never be part of my arsenal. Most of my portrait work is shot with a 70-200 or a 17-70 to give me more elbow room and depth of field. But this lens looks great.
Thank you
Being honest, I'm just enjoying the amount of bokeh they have incorporated in the video. 😎
Would have been nice if you compared to the original 85 f/1.2 for the FD mount, the first EF 85-like you included, the 2nd EF 85, the EF 85 f/1.8, and then finally the RF 85-like you included. More of a history lesson, less of an intentionally lopsided comparison.
3:23 should've focused on the background, and blurred that face to really show the strength of f/1.2 !
Wish you had added the EF 85mm f/1.4L IS to this comparison since with IS it was my choice for the EOS R. Used to have the EF 1.2L II as well but unfortunately sold it last year and decided that getting a used EF 85/1.4L IS for only $1000 US and saving $1700 was the better way to go.
You should have asked to borrow my second generation (85 f1.2 L II). Then you could have compared all three
I’m actually saving just for this RF lens, looks fenomenal, maybe by the end of the year I would be able to purchase it :)
I’ve rented it several times. It’s off the chain. It is the next lens purchase for me. You won’t be discussions 😻
What is toneh?
Chris, you're evolving a respectable salt-n-pepper aesthetic.
I love my EF version, ... but yeah, 4k on canon is usable on the M6 mk II, the 90D and the 5D mark IV for now... even the R5 gets hot and stops, so, it's not a very good option... For portraits, 85mm is always a challenge, but the pain is worth the results.
Crazy lenses. Jordan the model. Laughed until my stomach hurt.
Review the rf 85 DS
@Irene Rudnyk
The best widefield astrophotography lens Canon has ever produced. Sure, it’s like hanging a coffee can off the front of your camera but it has no peers in the Canon ecosystem when it comes to Milkyway panos and larger deep sky objects.
I got an FD 85/1.2 for my Eos R for $400 ... no autofocus but optically superior to the first gen EF lens and about on par with second gen EF for sharpness. The larger image circle of the FD is a better fit for the R system. Really if you're on EF than stick with EF. If you're on the R system, or migrating to the R system and don't already have the EF 85 1.2 ... If you need autofocus buy the RF otherwise get the FD. If you already have the second gen EF, it's not worth the upgrade to RF.