Great video! As a MSI GT75 owner (2019) that is still going strong, I'd love to see more of these kinds of videos showcasing older but still very relevant laptops Lots of fun! :)
That's a comprehensive and detailed review you did there, kudos! I'm impressed that the beast can still run games well, thought a bit worried with the GPU temps. I imagine it's close to thermal throttling but seems fine
The previous owner claimed he repasted it on a regular basis. I didn't have time to check that to be honest and since the CPU didn't thermal throttle I didn't bother 😅. According to reviews I found the temps seemed "as expected" 😬
I just got done using my Alienware 17 after 3 years in my possession. GTX 1070, i7 8750H and 16GB ram. Could have gone longer with it to be honest, but finally have another full setup with a custom MATX rig.
A 7 year-old laptop really shows how much the tech has progressed back in the day intel told us 4 cores are plenty, they don't want to glue too many cores together😂😂
13:30 Umm 8-th gen laptop CPUs co-existed with Pascal GPUs. I had a GTX 1050 4GB\i7 8750h laptop. That was an 6 core CPU. Undervolted, it performed impressively in games. It was mostly held back by the GPU. I wasn't CPU-limited even at the lowest settings in games and had really high fps.
@@Hubwood I know, but 8750h performed REALLY well at that time. 8700k wasn't *that* much faster, especially in gaming where the CPU can reach pretty good clockspeeds, especially undervolted, especially in well-cooled laptops. There is a reason I accented the attention on low settings, because GPU becomes far less of a factor in that case, hence why I had very, very high fps in games and was still limited by the GPU. Meaning I could have even higher fps in games with this CPU if I had, say, a 1070. Funny - my newer Ryzen 6800h(which has far more raw performance than 8750h) + DDR5(8750h only supported DDR4) performs slightly worse in some games than 8750h did. I have no idea why.
I had X9C from Eurocom with a 9900k and dual 2080s and nothing could stop it lol the sli side of things I got working with a program called FreeSLI and it only worked up to a specific driver but on the plus side no bridge or anything complicated was needed to make it work.
I still have 15' Dell with i7 7700HQ and GTX1060MaxQ, 16Gb RAM, 4K IPS screen I think it was around 1300 USD in 2018. Had to replace some parts, upgraded other, but it just works and games less demanding games. Often the CPU is bottleneck. My estimate is that overall performance in gaming is comparable to modern CPU's like Strix Point or Lunar Lake, but in bigger package and crappy battery life. In every day tasks is as adequate as any. Only the features like DLSS/XeSS/FSR make newer ones stand out. Considering this, new laptops haven't evolved much, they are either overpriced, crappy or can't game. MacBook Air/Pro for windows that can game 2x better than my current one is what I'm waiting for, rest is just waste of money.
Hm I actually think laptops did evolve quite a lot. Better screens, better battery life, thinner/lighter, better/faster ports. Better overall design. Buil quality depends on the model and price class of course.
@@Hubwood Well, yes you are generally right. But please allow me to be more specific. I will compare it with similar class 2024 laptop It got 4K IPS just as good as any IPS today (97%sRGB), only a bit slower 60Hz. According to notebookcheck its battery life is similar to new ones (5-6h web surfing, this only shows how bad battery life is in new ones) It got thunderbolt 3, HDMI, 3xUSB-A, ethernet, full size card reader, headphone... so almost as good as any today 2800 read/ 2100 write SSD + regular HDD (good enough for today standard) Build quality of a tank, no keyboard flex and no screen wobble (absolutely none at all). Design is minimalistic, only thick bezels give up his age. It is less noisy than the new ones It has reasonable 180W charger, new ones have insane 250, 300 or more In all those it is similar or better. Only in 2 things it is worse. Around 15% heavier and larger than new 15.6" ones. (not so bad considering it is built like a tank) New ones have 3-4 times more performance I'm not trying to justify my choices, I'm just pointing to the fact that market has not evolved so much to incentivize a lot of us to buy a new laptop. What I (and many like me) look for is real life 8-10 hour battery life, thin and light, sturdy, with at least 2-3 times more gaming performance then this old Dell, for the 1300-1600 euro price point. That would be adequate evolution after 7 years. Nothing like that on the horizon.
@@flakeinfire oh but there are laptops around that you describe. I'm not trying to make your laptop look bad. Don't get me wrong :) It's just that imho laptops did evolve quite a lot in the last 7-8 years. And 6-7 hours of web browsing is usually no problem at all. Newer CPUs are more efficient than the older ones. Also the ports you described become faster. HDMI versions, usb versions etc. Though around 7 years ago laptops did in fact make a jump in terms of performance and quality.
@@Hubwood My biggest concern is realistic usage battery life. I see a lot of ppl complaining that real battery life is nowhere near advertised or tested (just web browsing and light work). Even for top line products like ROG Zephyrus G14. It seems like x86/windows weak point. Maybe you have different experience, or recommendation for 14" gaming capable laptop with really good battery life?
The GPU definitely needs a repaste and an undervolt. The reason it performs so well is because it's the real, no BS desktop 1080. They didn't call it a "1080 ti" just because they didn't have 1080 ti-s in laptops. If only we got back that honest naming in laptop GPUs again...
@@Hubwood That's weird, it's a super thick laptop. Either way, undervolting would help. My legion 5 pro and its 3070 ti dissipates 150 watts and it's 10 degrees cooler while being much smaller and lighter. Thanks for your review!
"That's a huge charger!" That's what she said. (sorry) I should have guess this was a XMG one. Did you try to repaste/clean the system? Might help with the temps. I think if I had this laptop and it was of course working, I would still be ok with using it even if I could afford a newer one. Though I admit the extra power consumption wouldn't be the best in 2025 when you could get a better performing and much lower power consuming laptop. Any idea how much VRAM this GPU has? I have an XMG laptop from 2014, with the GTX 980 (4GB VRAM). Unfortunately I can't use it as it has some serious? issues with the GPU with crashes related to it and no idea how to fix it or if it is even possible. I think I am responsible for the potential damage when I used it for a handful of minutes without a working GPU fan, of the two it has. Pity as I could really use the extra performance over my Lenovo with the GTX860M which I am forced to use still in 2025. Regarding the NVME speed, that might be its original drive. Mine had/has speeds of 1300-1500MB/s and it was from 2014 and while a great drive in 2014, much better drives came soon after. Thanks for the video. I wouldn't mind some more gaming tests, especially with Cyberpunk and Robocop.
@@Asadc1995 yeah but a thunderbolt eGPU is still bottlenecking a lot. An 8700k is defenitely a bottleneck for stronger modern GPUs if you're not playing on 4K.
@Hubwood modern gaming laptop can handle 175w tgp just fine, so there should be no issue with using 4060ti or even an underpowered / underclocked 7700xt. It will be more appealing in term of price2perf than any budget mobile gpu
@@initialds4903 sure, you could build laptops like that. But that would mean thicker laptops with beefier Cooling Systems, thicker Chargers and worse battery life. 4050-4070 use a maximum of 100W in games which is much easier to cool. Also they run still good at 75 or even only 50W.
@@Hubwood yeah my man, I wasn't taking a shot at you. I subscribe and enjoy the content. I guess my age is showing. I remember early early console days. Just thinking out loud haha!
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You dont adjust the fan speed, you wear headphones 😂
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Great video! As a MSI GT75 owner (2019) that is still going strong, I'd love to see more of these kinds of videos showcasing older but still very relevant laptops Lots of fun! :)
Yeah it's fun to test ;)
That's a comprehensive and detailed review you did there, kudos! I'm impressed that the beast can still run games well, thought a bit worried with the GPU temps. I imagine it's close to thermal throttling but seems fine
Beast! I loved the Clevos from this era
the fact i bought the Asus G15 AE with 5980HX and 6800M for 400 makes this video crazy for me that this was $500 💀💀, Great video nonetheless
New or used?
@ used but very great condition.
Crazy price, where?
Did you check the state of thermal paste? Changing it would probably solve overheating issues.
That's what i had expected after the Benchmarks to compare them but ouch.
The previous owner claimed he repasted it on a regular basis. I didn't have time to check that to be honest and since the CPU didn't thermal throttle I didn't bother 😅.
According to reviews I found the temps seemed "as expected" 😬
@@Hubwood Fair enough! Thanks for letting us know!
I wonder how much better this thing would run with a good internal cleaning and a repaste.
I just got done using my Alienware 17 after 3 years in my possession. GTX 1070, i7 8750H and 16GB ram. Could have gone longer with it to be honest, but finally have another full setup with a custom MATX rig.
A 7 year-old laptop really shows how much the tech has progressed
back in the day intel told us 4 cores are plenty, they don't want to glue too many cores together😂😂
Good that it's a 6 Core CPU then 😬
13:30 Umm 8-th gen laptop CPUs co-existed with Pascal GPUs. I had a GTX 1050 4GB\i7 8750h laptop. That was an 6 core CPU. Undervolted, it performed impressively in games. It was mostly held back by the GPU. I wasn't CPU-limited even at the lowest settings in games and had really high fps.
1050 is defenitely the bottleneck then, sure, not in the case of a 1080 though :)
And especially in newer games.
@@Hubwood I know, but 8750h performed REALLY well at that time. 8700k wasn't *that* much faster, especially in gaming where the CPU can reach pretty good clockspeeds, especially undervolted, especially in well-cooled laptops.
There is a reason I accented the attention on low settings, because GPU becomes far less of a factor in that case, hence why I had very, very high fps in games and was still limited by the GPU. Meaning I could have even higher fps in games with this CPU if I had, say, a 1070.
Funny - my newer Ryzen 6800h(which has far more raw performance than 8750h) + DDR5(8750h only supported DDR4) performs slightly worse in some games than 8750h did. I have no idea why.
I had X9C from Eurocom with a 9900k and dual 2080s and nothing could stop it lol the sli side of things I got working with a program called FreeSLI and it only worked up to a specific driver but on the plus side no bridge or anything complicated was needed to make it work.
To be fair, 400 for that Laptop is insane though. Whoever sold it to you had no clue what they were doin :D
Great steal!
Lmaaaaooo first time seeing gpu overheating while cpu not!
My Clevo PE60 i9 13900h 4070 140w 2560x1600 240hz Laptop also has Soundblaster haha.
7 years ago 4 gigs ram is fine , this one has 32
7 years ago 1 m.2 is advanced , this one has 2
I still have 15' Dell with i7 7700HQ and GTX1060MaxQ, 16Gb RAM, 4K IPS screen
I think it was around 1300 USD in 2018.
Had to replace some parts, upgraded other, but it just works and games less demanding games. Often the CPU is bottleneck.
My estimate is that overall performance in gaming is comparable to modern CPU's like Strix Point or Lunar Lake, but in bigger package and crappy battery life. In every day tasks is as adequate as any.
Only the features like DLSS/XeSS/FSR make newer ones stand out.
Considering this, new laptops haven't evolved much, they are either overpriced, crappy or can't game.
MacBook Air/Pro for windows that can game 2x better than my current one is what I'm waiting for, rest is just waste of money.
Hm I actually think laptops did evolve quite a lot.
Better screens, better battery life, thinner/lighter, better/faster ports. Better overall design.
Buil quality depends on the model and price class of course.
@@Hubwood
Well, yes you are generally right.
But please allow me to be more specific. I will compare it with similar class 2024 laptop
It got 4K IPS just as good as any IPS today (97%sRGB), only a bit slower 60Hz.
According to notebookcheck its battery life is similar to new ones (5-6h web surfing, this only shows how bad battery life is in new ones)
It got thunderbolt 3, HDMI, 3xUSB-A, ethernet, full size card reader, headphone... so almost as good as any today
2800 read/ 2100 write SSD + regular HDD (good enough for today standard)
Build quality of a tank, no keyboard flex and no screen wobble (absolutely none at all).
Design is minimalistic, only thick bezels give up his age.
It is less noisy than the new ones
It has reasonable 180W charger, new ones have insane 250, 300 or more
In all those it is similar or better.
Only in 2 things it is worse.
Around 15% heavier and larger than new 15.6" ones. (not so bad considering it is built like a tank)
New ones have 3-4 times more performance
I'm not trying to justify my choices, I'm just pointing to the fact that market has not evolved so much to incentivize a lot of us to buy a new laptop.
What I (and many like me) look for is real life 8-10 hour battery life, thin and light, sturdy, with at least 2-3 times more gaming performance then this old Dell, for the 1300-1600 euro price point. That would be adequate evolution after 7 years.
Nothing like that on the horizon.
@@flakeinfire oh but there are laptops around that you describe. I'm not trying to make your laptop look bad. Don't get me wrong :)
It's just that imho laptops did evolve quite a lot in the last 7-8 years. And 6-7 hours of web browsing is usually no problem at all. Newer CPUs are more efficient than the older ones. Also the ports you described become faster. HDMI versions, usb versions etc. Though around 7 years ago laptops did in fact make a jump in terms of performance and quality.
@@Hubwood
My biggest concern is realistic usage battery life.
I see a lot of ppl complaining that real battery life is nowhere near advertised or tested (just web browsing and light work). Even for top line products like ROG Zephyrus G14. It seems like x86/windows weak point.
Maybe you have different experience, or recommendation for 14" gaming capable laptop with really good battery life?
The GPU definitely needs a repaste and an undervolt. The reason it performs so well is because it's the real, no BS desktop 1080. They didn't call it a "1080 ti" just because they didn't have 1080 ti-s in laptops. If only we got back that honest naming in laptop GPUs again...
According to a review from back then, the GPU was always going up to 90°C.
It was repasted according to the previous owner.
@@Hubwood That's weird, it's a super thick laptop. Either way, undervolting would help. My legion 5 pro and its 3070 ti dissipates 150 watts and it's 10 degrees cooler while being much smaller and lighter.
Thanks for your review!
"That's a huge charger!" That's what she said. (sorry)
I should have guess this was a XMG one.
Did you try to repaste/clean the system? Might help with the temps.
I think if I had this laptop and it was of course working, I would still be ok with using it even if I could afford a newer one. Though I admit the extra power consumption wouldn't be the best in 2025 when you could get a better performing and much lower power consuming laptop.
Any idea how much VRAM this GPU has?
I have an XMG laptop from 2014, with the GTX 980 (4GB VRAM). Unfortunately I can't use it as it has some serious? issues with the GPU with crashes related to it and no idea how to fix it or if it is even possible. I think I am responsible for the potential damage when I used it for a handful of minutes without a working GPU fan, of the two it has. Pity as I could really use the extra performance over my Lenovo with the GTX860M which I am forced to use still in 2025.
Regarding the NVME speed, that might be its original drive. Mine had/has speeds of 1300-1500MB/s and it was from 2014 and while a great drive in 2014, much better drives came soon after.
Thanks for the video. I wouldn't mind some more gaming tests, especially with Cyberpunk and Robocop.
The thermal paste was replaced recently according to the previous owner :)
The 1080 always had 8GB VRAM no matter if it's Desktop or Mobile ;)
@@Hubwood Let's hope he didn't lie or that he knew what he was doing. Thanks for the info. :)
Now i know why no one could afford a gaming laptop when i was in school 😂
Well there have been GTX 1060 Laptops around 1100-1330 and sub 1.000$ 1050 laptops back then :)
for 1080p this one still could play for few more years.💋
run much better than my shitty rtx 3050 4gb laptop, ton of games are unplayable or downright horrrible looking because the awful vram size
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$500 ??? Bruh i can buy a used laptop with i7 11700h and an rtx 3060 165hz 1tb ssd 16 gigs of ram for that much
Would you try to overclock that 8700K to see improments?
Most likely wouldn't work since it would start thermal throttling
@@Hubwood Hmm, Clevo cooler seems trashy as well. Easy to be overheating.
@alderlake12th Trashy? Its a Desktp CPU in a Laptop, what do you expect?
@@Dreadnoughty Clevo somehow made cooler stupidly bad. Sometimes it so great, sometime is bad. My gigabyte is also bad at cooling, made by clevo
Does this has some egpu support?
Yes via Thunderbolt 3.
@@Hubwood Dont think the cpu would bottleneck it with egpu it has a 6 core processor
@@Asadc1995 yeah but a thunderbolt eGPU is still bottlenecking a lot. An 8700k is defenitely a bottleneck for stronger modern GPUs if you're not playing on 4K.
Wondering why no one is making a laptop with desktop gpu, even the entry level / mid is still way faster than mobile gpu 😢
Because the power draw is way too high.
Desktop GPUs are "better" because they ARE more efficient.
@Hubwood modern gaming laptop can handle 175w tgp just fine, so there should be no issue with using 4060ti or even an underpowered / underclocked 7700xt. It will be more appealing in term of price2perf than any budget mobile gpu
@@initialds4903 sure, you could build laptops like that. But that would mean thicker laptops with beefier Cooling Systems, thicker Chargers and worse battery life.
4050-4070 use a maximum of 100W in games which is much easier to cool. Also they run still good at 75 or even only 50W.
gtx 1080 consume up to 183w wow
Then unplug the Charger and see what happens!
how that cheap? here in chile people still asking 1500 usd for a similar acer predator machine
Yeah south America prices are absolutely insane from what I know/heard.
I get such a kick out what is considered "unplayable" by today's standards...
Well, I am someone that can actually still play many games at stable 30-60 FPS if I have to ;)
@@Hubwood yeah my man, I wasn't taking a shot at you. I subscribe and enjoy the content. I guess my age is showing. I remember early early console days. Just thinking out loud haha!
@@michealcortez3375 no worries I didn't take it as an offence 😅