Thanks for the feedback. I might do that, as others have suggested this too. I didn't think you could have several ZigBee networks on the same HA instance so I've learnt. Appreciate the help.
Initially I though it was possible to do zigbee over lan which I also tried, and failed. I had a hard time finding a good video guide on how to set it up using what I now have running. Maybe an updated video could be helpful for others? 😊 I’m using two SLZB-06 as coordinators. One in the house and one in the garage. They are connected to one z2m instance each. The server running the z2m instances also run one mqtt broker. All three instances with docker compose. Home assistant is connected to the mqtt broker which is the only way devices are connected to HA. This can be achieved without docker compose and use Home Assistant only. It’s a matter of choice.
@@Kraokan That is similar to what I plan on doing I think. Use Z2M in each location, so I don't need to connect over large distances. The use the MQTT broker in HA.
I ended up putting a wand/exit sensor on the outside of my gate too as we get so many Amazon deliveries. Then I have a zwave switch connected to that wand, that disables the circuit, in my case from 9pm-7am.
Any chance you could give us a follow up video that discusses how you use home assistant? Please assume your audience here knows HA exists, but that might be the extent of it. I came for the unifi equipment but having seen how much you’ve got setup, I might stick around for the smart home automations.
Thanks mate for the support. I can definitely do that. Something like "10 use cases for Home Assistant" perhaps? This would explain some of the ways HA can be used. And there are plenty more Unifi videos to come. I have about 8 planned currently, but waiting on a few parts.
I would really appreciate going through the unifi access and protect integration with home assistant, protect is something I can test myself, but only on a limited range of devices, and I want to get access gate kits for my gate, but I'm unsure if they work well with Home assistant
@@daidaloscz Yep, sure thing. I might not cover all that in a single video. For example, license plate reader is a video I want to do soon, and that uses one part of the Protect integration with HA. Also, check out my Access Intercom video where I touch on the Access integration too: ruclips.net/video/lDXGytmrvOc/видео.html
I worked in the security industry once upon a time. I don’t know how the gate sensor is detecting the magnet but the sensors I installed used a reed switch. You might want reduce the gap between the sensor and the magnet. The bigger the gap between sensor & magnet the higher the probability of false signals especially if the gates were to vibrate, say in the wind. Just a thought. Oh and it’s freezing here.
I love your videos. Your enthusiasm is obvious for all to see and your willingness to state that you are not an expert is quite refreshing. Doing what I do, it’s sometimes cringe watching poor advice being passed off as fact, but seeing you discover stuff and admit mistakes allows us all to learn. Thanks!
@@cejay67 Thanks so much for noticing and commenting mate. That is exactly the approach I always take, and I leave most of my mistakes in the videos, as those are often the best learning experiences. I do love tech and discovering how things work, especially when I have a real world use case to solve 🥰
Most, if not all, Door sensors use either a reed switch or a hall effect sensor and they do require the magnet to be close to the sensor to detect a close. If the thing is a big metal gate, this will affect the tiny little magnetic field of these door sensor type devices in a big way. That's why a lot of big metal gates still rely on Infrared detectors and loop detectors for open close situations, where an infrared sensor detects if something is in the path of a gate so it doesn't close until clear and loop detectors in the ground trigger the auto opening.
I love these, I wish these were available when I built my zigbee network as it would mean my coordinator would be in the middle of my house instead of in my garage. I think the difference between the 06 and the 07 is the chipsets used and for this one works better for ZHA and the other is better for Zigbee2MQTT. I think this is the only difference. As soon as I saw what you were trying to do I knew you were going to have problems, but I was really happy you would could using these do a work around. I think what we really need (Hint SMLight) is a Zigbee repeater which will not only repat via zigbee but also allow repeat the signal via the network as well. so in your case in your shed, you would have ethernet and no Zigbee you can just plug this in via the ethernet and tell it to talk to the SMLight coordinator and ZHA/Zigbee2MQTT will just think it is a repeater and nothing else. Wonder if SMLight could create another firmware for this.
I think you can do ZigBee over LAN if you use Z2M. That is what a lot of the comments on this video are indicating. In that case I am likely to upgrade to Z2M, and do a video on the migration journey. I think the 06 range is all PoE, and 07 is all USB powered.
When I had a similar ZigBee distance issue, I just set up a second ZigBee network on a different channel, in home assistant it was pretty quick to do. My solution is fine when the devices are fixed in place, but I would need to have one repeated network if I had any devices that were mobile and could be in either network area.
That's what I did when I first tested the devices, be it it was too messy, and then I migrated from Dconz to ZHA, which I'm pretty sure don't allow two ZigBee networks.
@@LarsKlintTech they are pretty great devices, I'm very happy with mine. The docs say it can do ZigBee over Ethernet, so perhaps I've missed a configuration step somewhere and don't need two networks. (Using zigbee2mqtt)
A 2nd zigbee network controlled by z2m, would be the correct way to implement this without using several repeaters. That way you can keep your existing/working ZHA config. You can run both ZHA and Z2M at the same time (or multiple Z2M instances) with no issues
Thanks for the idea mate. A few other comments suggest the same thing, and I think I'll do another video on all the findings from this video. I've learnt a ton!! Thanks so much for commenting.
Oh, and the difference between the two you are using is the ram on the ZigBee chip. You can see that in the device website. Basically the number of devices it can handle at once. Since the basic one is over 100 (there is a page somewhere on smlight's website that I can't find right now sorry) I got the basic one and I'm very happy with it.
Sorry if you've mentioned it, but since you have Ethernet at the gate, wouldn't it be better to use a wired magnetic sensor? That way you won't have any radio signal or battery issues. Edit: Ahh yes, you don't want to dig another trench! :)
All good. Suggestions are always welcome. I have considered wired connections where practical, and in this case, it is too hard I think, for the benefit. It would also require wiring on the gate itself, which I am not sure the design committee would approve 😉 I am getting 240V soon to the gate, so I can update a lot of it still.
when you would run Zigbee2MQTT you could run it as a extra router, so you can save the 2nd "repeater". I run 3 sticks in my setup, at different areas which have no overlapping signal. Its possible to install more than 1 Zigbee2MQTT addon. to differences, so far the 06 can't by now run the latest ember driver, while the 06M and 06p7 can run ember.
Oh, that is super useful to know. Thank you! I didn't know that Z2M could handle multiple coordinators. I might think of migrating just for that reason. Oh, right. I am not familiar with Ember, but will look that up too.
One Z2M instance does not handle multiple coordinators. You can only set up different Z2M instances (or one ZHA instance and have a separate Z2M instance) with a different coordinator (for each network). Since Z2M uses MQTT to integrate in HA, you can have the date from multiple Z2M instances in the same Home Assistant instance. Due to how ZHA works and with it being somewhat tied to HA, ZHA only allows a single instance at the moment.
@ Well that depends on what you're looking at. Let's assume you do everything with Z2M. You would have two Z2M addons then, one for each coordinator. And you'd also have two separate Z2M web UIs with the connected devices each and so on. From the HA side though, it would be like having two Philips Hue Bridges for example. You won't really notice it there. If you decide to do one ZHA instance and one Z2M instance, ZHA would stay as is and you'd just set up the Z2M addon and MQTT integration in HA. The devices would come from separate integrations (ZHA and MQTT), but you can still use them like all other HA devices with no issues.
Could you not setup a second zigbee network at the gate with one of these acting as coordinator? I guess I don't know if Zigbee2MQTT can support multiple coordinators or not.
Aren't you supposed to be able to use these coordinators directly in Z2M sending the network over IP ? Look up the documentation on the z2m homepage. You might have to re flash the smlight to coordinator instead of router.
I am not sure if it works differently with Z2M. Certainly using it as a router, it can't send ZigBee data over IP. I don't want to use it as a Coordinator, as that would mean a redo of the network.
I have been using one of these since they first came out. I have it setup with Zigbee2MQTT, and that feeds into HA. You can also turn on VPN, and use one of these across the world, and into your HA locally, if needed. It all comes down to what settings you have turned on or not.
Zigbee is received, and a MQTT packet is created, which goes over the LAN. home Assistant will then have it for use as trigger etc. Works with IKEA devices as well.
You did also add the routers to ZHA via the "Add Device" page, right? The routers have to show on the ZHA device page, or they aren't on the Zigbee network (and don't repeat/route). Did you check if they show up as "ti.router" or with some other device name perhaps? If they really don't show up, try turning off the power for one of the routers and see if your gate sensor still responds. Maybe also check the ZHA visualization map to see which router is connected to the sensor. Do note that the visualization only refreshes every 10 hours (or after the button has been pressed and you come back after ~30 minutes).
No, they didn't show up in ZHA, that is what the weird thing was. I had no signal at all before at the gate, and now I do, so something has connected, and the only two things are the new SLZB devices. I thought they had to show up too 🤔 If I turn the power off, the two devices go offline. The visualisation map doesn't show them yet, so maybe I have to wait. This is all weird. Thanks for the info, and I will keep checking. This is all new to me 😂
@@LarsKlintTech Ok, so they should show up in ZHA with their model name ("SLZB-"..). Just to double check, did you also add them to your Zigbee network in ZHA via the pairing page, like you did with all other Zigbee devices when they're in pairing mode? Like, the SMLIGHT integration in HA does nothing regarding the actual Zigbee part of those devices. You don't actually need that integration, you just need to put the devices in pairing mode and click "Add Device" in the ZHA UI, then wait until they get detected and added to your Zigbee network. Also, if you turn off power to the routers, does the Aqara sensor actually stop transmitting updates to Home Assistant when you open/close the gate? That's what I'm really curious about. Like, even if it didn't work initially, it can be possible for Zigbee devices to transmit messages over such a long message with no interference, although it might be intermittent.
@@TheJulianJES You are correct. The sensors at the gate are now connected to a light bulb at the house. The two SMLight devices are on the network, and I can reconnect, change the config etc. just like before, but they will not show up in ZHA. I am not sure how I get them to pair again, other than clicking "Router Reconnect", but they still don't show in the ZHA adoption screen. How do I get them pairing again? I have seen them in HA when I didn't film it, and they were in ZHA before as well. Any ideas?
@ Hmm, pressing "router reconnect" (via the web UI or the HA button if visible/enabled) should put the Zigbee module back into pairing mode. So, I’d click "Add Device" in ZHA, make sure it’s on the pairing page with the "loading indicator" spinning, then press "Router Reconnect" and wait a couple of seconds for it to show up. I’d do this for the one in the house first. Otherwise, try the other one. If it doesn’t show up, try restarting the routers or temporarily switch them to "Zigbee coordinator", then back to "Zigbee router". On Texas Instruments based Zigbee chips, that will definitely wipe the whole Zigbee module clean (so previous settings are removed). On Ember/SilLabs based routers, it depends, but it might still clear some weird config. While you’re setting it back to Zigbee router mode, you can already have the ZHA pairing page open, since the routers should search for open Zigbee networks, as soon as they’re booting up. If none of the routers show up in ZHA at all, they might experience some interference themselves due to surrounding devices maybe. So you can temporarily move them to another location to see if they then join your Zigbee network. If they are showing up in the ZHA list at some point, they should be properly on your Zigbee network.
Just some info I found.. Seems the one you used has the expermiental Matter over Thread option) SLZB-06, (NEW! Experimental Matter-over-Thread support! since Apr'24) based on CC2652P Zigbee chip with Cortex M4F 48Mhz, 88kB RAM; recommended by Zigbee2MQTT; completely good for ZHA; SLZB-06M, based on EFR32 Zigbee chip with Cortex-M33 80Mhz, 96kB RAM - native for ZHA Home Assistant and works well with Zigbee2MQTT; SLZB-06p7, based on CC2652P7 Zigbee chip with Cortex-M4F 48Mhz, 153kB RAM, new for Zigbee2MQTT and for ZHA;
This is awesome! Thank you! So, it seems the RAM is the main difference, which probably has to do with how many devices it can support in the network. It seems they are all good for both ZHA and Z2M.
@@LarsKlintTech On their "authorized partner’s store" they list 1) We put EFR32MG21 chip on the 1st place along with the CC2652P chip in our rating. 2) That is, If you like marketing gimmicks, the CC2652P7 is your choice. The CC2652P7 chip is ranked #2 in our rating. 3) Therefore, here we would say the same as with CC2652P7 and CC2674P10 - if you like marketing gimmicks, CC2674P10 is your choice. This EFR32MG24 chip takes the 3rd place in our rating. 4) That is, if you like marketing gimmicks, CC2674P10 is your choice. The CC2674P10 chip takes the 4th place in our rating. So CC2652P - SLZB-06, SLZB-06-NO-POE & EFR32MG21 - SLZB-06M, SLZB-07 is the way to go.
All of the SMLight SLZB devices can use Coordinator, Router or Matter / Border router firmware. This is decided in the firmware you use, not hardware of the device. This will work most reliably with the 06M version that has the SiLabs chipset, but it does work with all of them to a degree.
@@EsotericArctos After recording and publishing the video I am having real trouble getting them to act as routers and connect. They won't show up in ZHA.
@@LarsKlintTech I will have to play and see how they work regarding setting as a router and then adding it as a ZHA device. I know they don't just show automatically, like any Zigbee device. In theory, when in router mode, they should then be able to be put into a pairing mode, but as I have only used them as coordinators, I can't comment on how well the SLZB's work as routers. I'll have a little play when I have some spare time. Today is not that day however. Work commitments = no bloody time
I could do that too. Another way to solve the issue. The Unifi sensor isn't outdoor rated either, it costs 3 times as much, and it is only via Bluetooth, which U7 devices don't support, so not as future proof in that location.
@@vk2him I already have two Shelly 1+ devices at the gate, so that isn't an issue, but I don't think the Unifi sensor can connect to just any BT signal. It has to be a Unifi device to connect to.
I have one of these, SLZB-06 to be precise, and I had very hard time getting them working with ethernet. They wouldn't get an IP address, and if i set one statically, it was very spotty, and would basically not work unless it was firced to 10M HDX on the switch port. Over USB they work well, but I was trying to get it working over ethernet for a long time with no luck...
That is disappointing for sure. I have had no issues with connecting them to the LAN over PoE, but I have had issues getting them into ZHA and them staying there. Maybe I need to try USB and Wifi instead?
It’s annoying the router can’t be over ip. Surely they could change that, it’s only data being transmitted, surely it doesn’t care if that gets moved wirelessly or by wire.🤦♂️
I was thinking the same thing, and it might be a ZigBeen issue, not a data transmission issue. Apparently, if I change to Z2M, it _can_ do that, so I might do that soon.
It's a limitation in the Zigbee protocol. You could set up both Z2M and ZHA (or multiple Z2M instances) with separate coordinators and create a separate Zigbee mesh per coordinator, but you can't have Zigbee routers transmitting data via TCP. I also have my Zigbee network spanning long distances and some routers here and there always seem to work just fine for that.
Thanks for the feedback. I couldn't get that to work, so I'm happy to be wrong (I do mention several times that I'm new to this). Can you use ZigBee over LAN with ZHA?
@@vinup7667 That can only be done if you want the zigbee stick to be the router. In his case he already has a router in the house and was hoping to use the PoE one at the gate as a repeater over ethernet, which won't work as Zigbee is incredibly limited in that sense. You cannot run two instances of ZHA to connect to two different routers, but he has since found out that you can run ZHA for one stick and Z2M for the other. That's a lazy misleading comment at the top there. ;)
@@veryboringname. Thanks for clarifying. Yes, I am indeed learning, and that is what this channel is about. I put myself out there and am happy to be wrong, so that many others (5300 in this case) can learn from my mistake. In this case I agree with @veryboringname that more information would be super helpful, and not short sentences full of assumptions. Help out everybody by sharing your knowledge. 😊
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you could create two separate zigbee networks one for the gate with that zigbee acting as a coordinator for gate network.
Thanks for the feedback. I might do that, as others have suggested this too. I didn't think you could have several ZigBee networks on the same HA instance so I've learnt. Appreciate the help.
@@LarsKlintTech you can have atleast three, ZHA, Zigbee2Mqtt, Zigbee2MQtt edge. all running on different coordinator.
@@yousaf.saleem Awesome. I am thinking I'll try out Z2M very soon and record my progress. I appreciate the help.
Initially I though it was possible to do zigbee over lan which I also tried, and failed. I had a hard time finding a good video guide on how to set it up using what I now have running. Maybe an updated video could be helpful for others? 😊
I’m using two SLZB-06 as coordinators. One in the house and one in the garage. They are connected to one z2m instance each. The server running the z2m instances also run one mqtt broker. All three instances with docker compose. Home assistant is connected to the mqtt broker which is the only way devices are connected to HA. This can be achieved without docker compose and use Home Assistant only. It’s a matter of choice.
@@Kraokan That is similar to what I plan on doing I think. Use Z2M in each location, so I don't need to connect over large distances. The use the MQTT broker in HA.
I ended up putting a wand/exit sensor on the outside of my gate too as we get so many Amazon deliveries. Then I have a zwave switch connected to that wand, that disables the circuit, in my case from 9pm-7am.
A Sonoff device
@@paybax And what does that do? Can deliveries come in automatically?
Yes, just how you can exit without using a remote, keypad, etc, you can enter without authorization.
@@paybax Yeah, got it. I don't think I need that, but that would work as well. You wouldn't just want to keep it open in a certain time interval?
Any chance you could give us a follow up video that discusses how you use home assistant? Please assume your audience here knows HA exists, but that might be the extent of it. I came for the unifi equipment but having seen how much you’ve got setup, I might stick around for the smart home automations.
Thanks mate for the support. I can definitely do that. Something like "10 use cases for Home Assistant" perhaps? This would explain some of the ways HA can be used.
And there are plenty more Unifi videos to come. I have about 8 planned currently, but waiting on a few parts.
I would really appreciate going through the unifi access and protect integration with home assistant, protect is something I can test myself, but only on a limited range of devices, and I want to get access gate kits for my gate, but I'm unsure if they work well with Home assistant
@@daidaloscz Yep, sure thing. I might not cover all that in a single video. For example, license plate reader is a video I want to do soon, and that uses one part of the Protect integration with HA.
Also, check out my Access Intercom video where I touch on the Access integration too: ruclips.net/video/lDXGytmrvOc/видео.html
I worked in the security industry once upon a time. I don’t know how the gate sensor is detecting the magnet but the sensors I installed used a reed switch. You might want reduce the gap between the sensor and the magnet. The bigger the gap between sensor & magnet the higher the probability of false signals especially if the gates were to vibrate, say in the wind. Just a thought. Oh and it’s freezing here.
You are very observant mate. That gap was actually too big and I have since relocated the sensor to the inside of the gate, but just didn't film it 😊
I love your videos. Your enthusiasm is obvious for all to see and your willingness to state that you are not an expert is quite refreshing. Doing what I do, it’s sometimes cringe watching poor advice being passed off as fact, but seeing you discover stuff and admit mistakes allows us all to learn. Thanks!
@@cejay67 Thanks so much for noticing and commenting mate. That is exactly the approach I always take, and I leave most of my mistakes in the videos, as those are often the best learning experiences. I do love tech and discovering how things work, especially when I have a real world use case to solve 🥰
Most, if not all, Door sensors use either a reed switch or a hall effect sensor and they do require the magnet to be close to the sensor to detect a close. If the thing is a big metal gate, this will affect the tiny little magnetic field of these door sensor type devices in a big way. That's why a lot of big metal gates still rely on Infrared detectors and loop detectors for open close situations, where an infrared sensor detects if something is in the path of a gate so it doesn't close until clear and loop detectors in the ground trigger the auto opening.
@@EsotericArctos TIL 🤓
Yeah! I was looking into these! Now I am excited for the video.
I have been waiting for a zigbee PoE router for a while now! I hope it lasts well
Me too! I still have a LOT to learn about Z2M specifically, but I think it will work out well over time. More videos to come on this topic for sure.
I love these, I wish these were available when I built my zigbee network as it would mean my coordinator would be in the middle of my house instead of in my garage.
I think the difference between the 06 and the 07 is the chipsets used and for this one works better for ZHA and the other is better for Zigbee2MQTT. I think this is the only difference.
As soon as I saw what you were trying to do I knew you were going to have problems, but I was really happy you would could using these do a work around. I think what we really need (Hint SMLight) is a Zigbee repeater which will not only repat via zigbee but also allow repeat the signal via the network as well. so in your case in your shed, you would have ethernet and no Zigbee you can just plug this in via the ethernet and tell it to talk to the SMLight coordinator and ZHA/Zigbee2MQTT will just think it is a repeater and nothing else. Wonder if SMLight could create another firmware for this.
I think you can do ZigBee over LAN if you use Z2M. That is what a lot of the comments on this video are indicating. In that case I am likely to upgrade to Z2M, and do a video on the migration journey.
I think the 06 range is all PoE, and 07 is all USB powered.
@@LarsKlintTech I think Ziggbee over LAN is only to the coordinator and both Z2M and ZHA do and how they connect to the SMLight coordinators.
@@gjheydon Yeah, I am still learning. I will figure it out!
When I had a similar ZigBee distance issue, I just set up a second ZigBee network on a different channel, in home assistant it was pretty quick to do.
My solution is fine when the devices are fixed in place, but I would need to have one repeated network if I had any devices that were mobile and could be in either network area.
That's what I did when I first tested the devices, be it it was too messy, and then I migrated from Dconz to ZHA, which I'm pretty sure don't allow two ZigBee networks.
@@LarsKlintTech they are pretty great devices, I'm very happy with mine.
The docs say it can do ZigBee over Ethernet, so perhaps I've missed a configuration step somewhere and don't need two networks. (Using zigbee2mqtt)
A 2nd zigbee network controlled by z2m, would be the correct way to implement this without using several repeaters. That way you can keep your existing/working ZHA config. You can run both ZHA and Z2M at the same time (or multiple Z2M instances) with no issues
Thanks for the idea mate. A few other comments suggest the same thing, and I think I'll do another video on all the findings from this video. I've learnt a ton!! Thanks so much for commenting.
Oh, and the difference between the two you are using is the ram on the ZigBee chip. You can see that in the device website.
Basically the number of devices it can handle at once. Since the basic one is over 100 (there is a page somewhere on smlight's website that I can't find right now sorry) I got the basic one and I'm very happy with it.
Thanks! 100 seems like a lot for a single device as well, so will last a while 😊
Sorry if you've mentioned it, but since you have Ethernet at the gate, wouldn't it be better to use a wired magnetic sensor? That way you won't have any radio signal or battery issues.
Edit: Ahh yes, you don't want to dig another trench! :)
All good. Suggestions are always welcome. I have considered wired connections where practical, and in this case, it is too hard I think, for the benefit. It would also require wiring on the gate itself, which I am not sure the design committee would approve 😉
I am getting 240V soon to the gate, so I can update a lot of it still.
when you would run Zigbee2MQTT you could run it as a extra router, so you can save the 2nd "repeater".
I run 3 sticks in my setup, at different areas which have no overlapping signal. Its possible to install more than 1 Zigbee2MQTT addon.
to differences, so far the 06 can't by now run the latest ember driver, while the 06M and 06p7 can run ember.
Oh, that is super useful to know. Thank you! I didn't know that Z2M could handle multiple coordinators. I might think of migrating just for that reason.
Oh, right. I am not familiar with Ember, but will look that up too.
Yeah, comes down to the model number. 06M is what I use too.
One Z2M instance does not handle multiple coordinators. You can only set up different Z2M instances (or one ZHA instance and have a separate Z2M instance) with a different coordinator (for each network).
Since Z2M uses MQTT to integrate in HA, you can have the date from multiple Z2M instances in the same Home Assistant instance. Due to how ZHA works and with it being somewhat tied to HA, ZHA only allows a single instance at the moment.
@@TheJulianJES Okay, but the end result is what looks like one ZigBee network with multiple coordinators?
@ Well that depends on what you're looking at.
Let's assume you do everything with Z2M. You would have two Z2M addons then, one for each coordinator.
And you'd also have two separate Z2M web UIs with the connected devices each and so on.
From the HA side though, it would be like having two Philips Hue Bridges for example. You won't really notice it there.
If you decide to do one ZHA instance and one Z2M instance, ZHA would stay as is and you'd just set up the Z2M addon and MQTT integration in HA. The devices would come from separate integrations (ZHA and MQTT), but you can still use them like all other HA devices with no issues.
I wish there was a similar z wave device powered by poe. I'd like the lower frequency it provides (away from wifi, Bluetooth, microwave etc.)
I haven't done anything with Z-Wave but I can see how that would be super useful.
There is such a device made by TubesZB. You’ll find it if you google it
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@@techbyfinne haha, mange tak. Det er rettet 😁
@@LarsKlintTechdet var så lidt 😅
Could you not setup a second zigbee network at the gate with one of these acting as coordinator? I guess I don't know if Zigbee2MQTT can support multiple coordinators or not.
Absolutely and that is one of the reasons I'll consider Z2M instead of ZHA, which I'm currently on.
Aren't you supposed to be able to use these coordinators directly in Z2M sending the network over IP ? Look up the documentation on the z2m homepage. You might have to re flash the smlight to coordinator instead of router.
I am not sure if it works differently with Z2M. Certainly using it as a router, it can't send ZigBee data over IP. I don't want to use it as a Coordinator, as that would mean a redo of the network.
I have been using one of these since they first came out. I have it setup with Zigbee2MQTT, and that feeds into HA. You can also turn on VPN, and use one of these across the world, and into your HA locally, if needed. It all comes down to what settings you have turned on or not.
@@MarkVovo Thanks Mark. So with Z2M, I can use ZigBee over LAN?
Zigbee is received, and a MQTT packet is created, which goes over the LAN. home Assistant will then have it for use as trigger etc. Works with IKEA devices as well.
@@MarkVovo Amazing. I learnt! Thanks a lot for commenting and growing the knowledge. Might do a video on a migration then...🤔
You did also add the routers to ZHA via the "Add Device" page, right? The routers have to show on the ZHA device page, or they aren't on the Zigbee network (and don't repeat/route).
Did you check if they show up as "ti.router" or with some other device name perhaps? If they really don't show up, try turning off the power for one of the routers and see if your gate sensor still responds. Maybe also check the ZHA visualization map to see which router is connected to the sensor. Do note that the visualization only refreshes every 10 hours (or after the button has been pressed and you come back after ~30 minutes).
No, they didn't show up in ZHA, that is what the weird thing was. I had no signal at all before at the gate, and now I do, so something has connected, and the only two things are the new SLZB devices. I thought they had to show up too 🤔
If I turn the power off, the two devices go offline. The visualisation map doesn't show them yet, so maybe I have to wait. This is all weird. Thanks for the info, and I will keep checking. This is all new to me 😂
@@LarsKlintTech Ok, so they should show up in ZHA with their model name ("SLZB-"..).
Just to double check, did you also add them to your Zigbee network in ZHA via the pairing page, like you did with all other Zigbee devices when they're in pairing mode?
Like, the SMLIGHT integration in HA does nothing regarding the actual Zigbee part of those devices. You don't actually need that integration, you just need to put the devices in pairing mode and click "Add Device" in the ZHA UI, then wait until they get detected and added to your Zigbee network.
Also, if you turn off power to the routers, does the Aqara sensor actually stop transmitting updates to Home Assistant when you open/close the gate? That's what I'm really curious about. Like, even if it didn't work initially, it can be possible for Zigbee devices to transmit messages over such a long message with no interference, although it might be intermittent.
@@TheJulianJES You are correct. The sensors at the gate are now connected to a light bulb at the house. The two SMLight devices are on the network, and I can reconnect, change the config etc. just like before, but they will not show up in ZHA. I am not sure how I get them to pair again, other than clicking "Router Reconnect", but they still don't show in the ZHA adoption screen. How do I get them pairing again? I have seen them in HA when I didn't film it, and they were in ZHA before as well. Any ideas?
@ Hmm, pressing "router reconnect" (via the web UI or the HA button if visible/enabled) should put the Zigbee module back into pairing mode.
So, I’d click "Add Device" in ZHA, make sure it’s on the pairing page with the "loading indicator" spinning, then press "Router Reconnect" and wait a couple of seconds for it to show up. I’d do this for the one in the house first. Otherwise, try the other one.
If it doesn’t show up, try restarting the routers or temporarily switch them to "Zigbee coordinator", then back to "Zigbee router". On Texas Instruments based Zigbee chips, that will definitely wipe the whole Zigbee module clean (so previous settings are removed).
On Ember/SilLabs based routers, it depends, but it might still clear some weird config.
While you’re setting it back to Zigbee router mode, you can already have the ZHA pairing page open, since the routers should search for open Zigbee networks, as soon as they’re booting up.
If none of the routers show up in ZHA at all, they might experience some interference themselves due to surrounding devices maybe. So you can temporarily move them to another location to see if they then join your Zigbee network.
If they are showing up in the ZHA list at some point, they should be properly on your Zigbee network.
Just some info I found.. Seems the one you used has the expermiental Matter over Thread option)
SLZB-06, (NEW! Experimental Matter-over-Thread support! since Apr'24) based on CC2652P Zigbee chip with Cortex M4F 48Mhz, 88kB RAM; recommended by Zigbee2MQTT; completely good for ZHA;
SLZB-06M, based on EFR32 Zigbee chip with Cortex-M33 80Mhz, 96kB RAM - native for ZHA Home Assistant and works well with Zigbee2MQTT;
SLZB-06p7, based on CC2652P7 Zigbee chip with Cortex-M4F 48Mhz, 153kB RAM, new for Zigbee2MQTT and for ZHA;
This is awesome! Thank you!
So, it seems the RAM is the main difference, which probably has to do with how many devices it can support in the network. It seems they are all good for both ZHA and Z2M.
@@LarsKlintTech On their "authorized partner’s store" they list
1) We put EFR32MG21 chip on the 1st place along with the CC2652P chip in our rating.
2) That is, If you like marketing gimmicks, the CC2652P7 is your choice.
The CC2652P7 chip is ranked #2 in our rating.
3) Therefore, here we would say the same as with CC2652P7 and CC2674P10 - if you like marketing gimmicks, CC2674P10 is your choice. This EFR32MG24 chip takes the 3rd place in our rating.
4) That is, if you like marketing gimmicks, CC2674P10 is your choice.
The CC2674P10 chip takes the 4th place in our rating.
So CC2652P - SLZB-06, SLZB-06-NO-POE & EFR32MG21 - SLZB-06M, SLZB-07 is the way to go.
All of the SMLight SLZB devices can use Coordinator, Router or Matter / Border router firmware. This is decided in the firmware you use, not hardware of the device. This will work most reliably with the 06M version that has the SiLabs chipset, but it does work with all of them to a degree.
@@EsotericArctos After recording and publishing the video I am having real trouble getting them to act as routers and connect. They won't show up in ZHA.
@@LarsKlintTech I will have to play and see how they work regarding setting as a router and then adding it as a ZHA device. I know they don't just show automatically, like any Zigbee device. In theory, when in router mode, they should then be able to be put into a pairing mode, but as I have only used them as coordinators, I can't comment on how well the SLZB's work as routers.
I'll have a little play when I have some spare time. Today is not that day however. Work commitments = no bloody time
considering you have Unifi setup and wifi near your gate, why not use Unifi/Ubiquiti contact sensor?
I could do that too. Another way to solve the issue. The Unifi sensor isn't outdoor rated either, it costs 3 times as much, and it is only via Bluetooth, which U7 devices don't support, so not as future proof in that location.
@@LarsKlintTech you could install a bluetooth proxy within the unifi outdoor box - either a Shelly plus or a ESP32 based ...
@@vk2him I already have two Shelly 1+ devices at the gate, so that isn't an issue, but I don't think the Unifi sensor can connect to just any BT signal. It has to be a Unifi device to connect to.
@@LarsKlintTech I didn't realise unifi was selective with the bt ... I guess you could use any bt proximity sensor instead?
@@LarsKlintTech so you could take the Shelly door sensor. It works via BLE which you have there :-)
I have one of these, SLZB-06 to be precise, and I had very hard time getting them working with ethernet.
They wouldn't get an IP address, and if i set one statically, it was very spotty, and would basically not work unless it was firced to 10M HDX on the switch port.
Over USB they work well, but I was trying to get it working over ethernet for a long time with no luck...
That is disappointing for sure. I have had no issues with connecting them to the LAN over PoE, but I have had issues getting them into ZHA and them staying there. Maybe I need to try USB and Wifi instead?
I ordered one two weeks ago, arrived today. Nice timing 😀 Going to replace my Sonoff usb stick
Hahaha, that was my exact plan 😂
It’s annoying the router can’t be over ip. Surely they could change that, it’s only data being transmitted, surely it doesn’t care if that gets moved wirelessly or by wire.🤦♂️
I was thinking the same thing, and it might be a ZigBeen issue, not a data transmission issue. Apparently, if I change to Z2M, it _can_ do that, so I might do that soon.
It's a limitation in the Zigbee protocol. You could set up both Z2M and ZHA (or multiple Z2M instances) with separate coordinators and create a separate Zigbee mesh per coordinator, but you can't have Zigbee routers transmitting data via TCP.
I also have my Zigbee network spanning long distances and some routers here and there always seem to work just fine for that.
@@TheJulianJES Alright, good to know 😊
17 минут одних разговоров. В русском ролике за это время человек бы уже все установил и показал как это работает.
ZB works over ethernet. Check out videos from other youtubers. a lazy misleading video.
Thanks for the feedback. I couldn't get that to work, so I'm happy to be wrong (I do mention several times that I'm new to this). Can you use ZigBee over LAN with ZHA?
@@LarsKlintTech Yes, over LAN, wifi and USB
@@vinup7667 That can only be done if you want the zigbee stick to be the router. In his case he already has a router in the house and was hoping to use the PoE one at the gate as a repeater over ethernet, which won't work as Zigbee is incredibly limited in that sense.
You cannot run two instances of ZHA to connect to two different routers, but he has since found out that you can run ZHA for one stick and Z2M for the other.
That's a lazy misleading comment at the top there. ;)
@@veryboringname. Thanks for clarifying. Yes, I am indeed learning, and that is what this channel is about. I put myself out there and am happy to be wrong, so that many others (5300 in this case) can learn from my mistake. In this case I agree with @veryboringname that more information would be super helpful, and not short sentences full of assumptions. Help out everybody by sharing your knowledge. 😊