@Delling Conley Yes! Thank you. He wasn't actually running in 2016, and he's not actually running now. The's keeping the seat warm for Hitlary's fat, corrupt keister.
HKZ P should have led with the correct sources to begin with, also these are actual people first hand sources, unlike whatever sources you are going to send
I once had this discussion with a "democratic socialist" in college who was the dictionary definition of a Social Democrat, yet adamantly refused to admit it. These people bend over backwards trying to reinvent Socialism rather than just admitting that they're not Socialists.
You forgot TERM LIMITING THE LEGISLATURE. Something the Swedes have done and what enabled them to have people in power who could "afford" to admit to mistakes and change. They were going away ANYWAY (after 3 terms) and so the legislature was composed of patriots, who loved there country AND had no career in government to lie for.
No that’s only National Socialists, the only utopian political system that ever produced anything magnificent and under crushing pressure, no wealth, zero cooperation but opposite. In a few years was wealthiest from poorest, USA absurd liberalism wealth pandering for a few 200 years failed, 2000 years Christian failed, Jewish Bolshevism aka communism failed with the greatest death mass murdering body counts on earth’s history.
The only chance is that more relaxed virus containment policy, would be so praised by GOP that Dems would have to oppose anything Swedish as a matter of principle. :D
@John Garrett Don't get my wrong. I love my home country, despite this. Especially my beautiful Stockholm that the social democrats tried to demolish after the war (between 1952 and 1974). Luckily some 60-70% of the city survived.
As an immigrant from Mexico. My parents escaped the corrupt policies of the left leaning PRI... Only to come here to see the youth support the same left leaning policies of the American left... Yeah...
While the evil ones were working hard to destroy YOUR home country with bs such as the "Green Revolution" - simultaneously they were using their vast wealth to take over the education system here. They changed it to one that forced the children in and taught them whatever beliefs benefitted the cabal. We are looking at the results of all that right now.
Wow sounds like your family was very fortunate and well off to leave their country simply due to differences in political ideology. Most of them flee to US due to poverty and violence. And even then most would rather be in Mexico. If they could earn the same amount in Mexico that they do working in the fields here then they would still be in Mexico.
@@moviemanreviews5577 Saying his family "escaped the corrupt policies" does not mean that's the sole reason. Those policies CAUSED the poverty and violence. These are not separate things.
Movie Man Reviews It’s amazing I need to point this out to you in 2020, but the more left the political ideology is the more poverty and violence there is.
If you could make a Living Income with a Political Degree, students would study harder to be more competitive. But it's not. In the 70s it was "Liberal Arts" degrees, which gets you a chair at the Local Welfare office. In front or in back.
@HKZ P i know you mean well and probably do care about America at the very least. But please the United State is not the world. You are proposing that United States would be better of as a Democratic Socialist and maybe you're right but let's not turn a blind eye on what this is about. Politicians uses their power to change the society based on their idealogues NOT by representing their people. That's the problem. That in itself is an abuse of power. The politicians job is to represent the people regard laws, concerns and well-being. The key word is REPRESENT not DICTATE. Most politicians now dictates their ideology to the people and brainwash them into it. We elect them because they REPRESENT our interest NOT to spew honeyed words.
2010 Socialists: Chavez has found a new way in Venezuela. Hes proven socialism works! 2020 Socialists: Venezuela was never socialist, and its a straw man argument to suggest it was!
As a lifelong socialist, I never supported the government of Venezuela. I also oppose the USA bullying Venezuela too. Sweden was always the model that I embrace. Sure, they have an aggressive free market system, but they also have powerful unions, single payer medical care, free college, etc that is lacking here in the USA that "WE MUST HAVE HERE" to solve income inequality.
I am Swedish / jag är svensk when my grandma got cancer, she never got treatment and died. My dad had to wait 1 year for a knee surgery- be very caution what you wish for. "free" means waitlines A LOT OF TIME.
There are plenty here who don't get cancer treatment either bc they can't afford it. So sounds like long wait times/super expensive care are pretty much the same thing bc they both result in ppl not getting the care they need. So basically if you are not rich you lose no matter what country you live or what economic systems they use.
In SPAIN we have FREE HEALTH-CARE & it works VERY WELL. It doesn´t work equally well in all areas of Spain (cause we´ve autonomic governments for each region), but, in general, the system works great. I live in the Basque Country, one of the regions where it works best, and I NEVER EVEN HEARD OF A CANCER PATIENT NOT GETTING FAST TREATMENT (a modern, well equipped, treatment). Myself, I´ve had 4 SURGERIES throughout my life &, even though NONE were urgent, I NEVER WAITED +THAN 3/4 MONTHS, and I´VE NEVER PAID A CENT. And the thing is that we, spaniards, don´t pay higher taxes than other countries either.
@HKZ P Sweden is a constitutional monarchy. With 9 different political parties. Sweden is NOT a socialist country. I know how you Marxist bums like to only tell half of the story
Disclaimer: Johan Norberg isn't our official spokesman. I see him appearing in many videos about sweden's politics and society. I suspect that he announces his interest in explaining how Sweden works for all the uninitiated. I'm just saying that you might listen to more people from different angles.
Johan Norberg, as a lolbertarian, who hates being taxed - should be honest and call Sweden for what it is, a highly refined communist dictatorship. To the degree a majority of Swedes will call themselves the freest people in universe. But he has always been an embarassment. He just can't help himself.
@@eriksandberg2430 vad jobbig du är, precis som en kommunist. försöker förolämpa vem som helst på tvivelaktiga grunder för att vara det lägsta som går att vara. det jag vet är att du aldrig någonsin kommer att ge dig in i filosofiska samtal. over and out nigga.
@@fredosinsemilla3896 Jag förstår inte hur du tycker att Sverige är en diktatur. Vi har allt som en Demokrati ska ha (minus total yttrandefrihet), så vad tycker du gör oss en diktatur?
Sweden has never been socialist. We do not have "democratic socialism" here we have a strong influence of social democracy - and that is not socialist.
Don't you guys also have pretty strict immigration laws while the people in the US trying to latch onto the Scandanavian models want open borders? (They claim they don't, but I don't know how they can say that when they don't seem interested in any sort of border enforcement whatsoever).
@@db9944 We had a way too generous immigration policy that originated from the left. Pretty much all political parties now realize that this can't go on but it is a bit too open right now. An Australian stile point system is needed.
@Kissa Deff I'm all for people immigrating to the U.S. but only if they do it properly and go through the necessary channels to become a legal citizen. Opening the borders and just letting anybody come into the states to have a better way of life and reaping the benefits of this country while not helping to financially support the system would, like you said, be the downfall of this great country!
@@tstjohn777 I've in Sweden far longer than that. I grew up there in the 1960-1990s. Dad was what we call, "Gråsosse" ("gray socialist") that mean he was onboard with having social programs to help improve education, health care etc. (we needed that as Sweden was a very poor country up until WW2 was finished). But the whole thing had to be soundly financed which mean that he would not accept the ideas that came out of the "champagne socialists" that was in power in the 1970s and 1980s. So then you vote for parties with more sensible economic views. Remember that the "social-democrats" were in power during the time we went from a poor to a rich country, but those "grey socialists" wanted a mixed economy based on making life easier for businesses to start up and where there was a balance between trade unions and business-owners that minimised strikes or lock-outs.
When americans realize that we in sweden pay 60% income tax and 25% tax on everything we buy, and 6$/gallon on fuel, I bet you'll change your mind about socialism.
@@dooolaay I pay thousands. What gave you the impression that I wanted to pay more? My reply is that what he explained is exactly where I saw Sweden's brand of socialism to be, and that my mind was made up to reject it from the start and his figures did nothing whatsoever to change that!
As they video says, we should follow our own path, we don’t need all that. But we do need a public health option. Anyone that can afford private options would still be free to do so, the USPS hasnt put Fedex & UPS out of business.
@@dooolaay We kinda already do in the U.S. though....we pay state, local, federal, property, inheritance, capital gains, sales, and a myriad of other taxes....when you add it all up, the average American pays between 40 and 60% of their income to taxes (and if you're one of the people in the "top 1%" who makes $250,000 or more per year, you can estimate your federal taxes at 30 to 40 percent, even after you take out everything you qualify to take....the whole "rich don't pay their fair share" is a stupid argument, and showcases ignorance on how taxes work...business taxes and income taxes are not the same thing, but people keep acting as if business taxes are the same as income taxes. x.x ) In my state, there's a nearly 10 percent state tax, plus local taxes of around 3-4 percent (depending on the county you live in). If I lived a few blocks over, then I'd also have to pay a city tax. Plus you have social security and medicare taxes, which add up to 10.5 percent (if you work a job...I'm self-employed, so social security taxes are 15 percent rather than 7.5 percent). Just state, local, and social security/medicare in my local area costs the average person about 23-24 percent.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but most western news media outlets are just propanda pushers. Some YT channels like X22report, are more credible than "dedicated" news outlets.
@White Wild What have you have against Pandas!?! They're Black, They're White. They're Asian. Be more like the Panda. (Yes, I am joking. Can't you tell? Those who can aren't SJW's.)
Nick Anthony All media outlets are owned/controlled by the über rich (and only one of those outlets is not owned by a democrat).... and they use those media outlets to keep the serfs in line...
*You need to specify "marginal taxes", many doesnt have a clue what it means* Furthermore, we have 4 brackets of VAT with 25% being the highest, groceries are 12%, books and domestic travel are 6%, dental care has 0% VAT, etc. Also, on a side note, some students take out more of the student loans than they actually need, cause it's a freaking good loan ;) Some even use it towards buying a home.
No use of your comment. I feel the reason of this video is not to educate about Sweden but only to make people to stand firm and vote for Trump. This video is made to make Sweden model look bad in comparison to the USA way. Sweden is of course not just all good, and all countries has their problems. But i would rather live in Sweden with this system than the american system that makes me sick just hearing about it. If Sweden plays their card wrong we might end up as USA (bad for the people). If USA get some of the good things from Sweden it's better for the people in USA. Even if USA would try hard to become as Sweden it would not be possible, and no country should copy from another country instead pick the good parts from all systems.
HappySwedishPancake marginal tax is the tax you play on your last made 1000 SEK. If you stay below the bracket for govt tax, it’s about 300 SEK, above the bracket about 500 SEK. If you get a payrise of 1k, 300 will be lost to taxes and your real payrise is 700. Municipal and regional tax is roughly 33,3% total, if you add govt tax it’s 55% for everything earnt above that bracket.
ok...then I'm going to do my dental work in Sweden (0% insted of 7%) but I''l buy brokolli only from US grocery (0% instead of 12%) ..How much do you pay for gas? here in Texas is 0.30c per litter.. Registration fees for a 8000 cc car $65 a year.. NO state taxes.. VAT TAX 0 -7%..HOW MUCH DO YOU PAY FOR A CAR? 25%?
I'd had no idea about how the Swedish economy got to where it is today. (btw 10/10 on the bait and switch - heh) This is fast becoming my favorite YT channel.
@HKZ P I suspected you'd make such a misguided claim. No. Pay attention: the party in Sweden you're referring to is the Social Democratic Party - they support social democracy, NOT democratic socialism. In case you don't understand the difference, here it is: Social democracy is a concept of democratic government with a focus on social programs - welfare, education, healthcare, etc. In many ways, the United States can be considered a social democracy - we have Obamacare, Social Security, federal grants and loans for student education, etc. Democratic socialism is a concept of socialism that attempts to be representative of the people - government control of property, the means of production, and the economy. Notice that Sweden exhibits every aspect of social democracy but NONE of the notable aspects of democratic socialism. That's because Sweden is not a socialist country of any kind - as the Swedish people in this video pointed out, they tried that, and it failed. Thus, they embraced social democracy with a focus on free markets, privatized means of production, and private property - much like the United States.
Jesse Fletcher There is a reason people aren’t responding to this moron, he links a wiki link and makes an ignorant claim and then disappears when informed people respond with facts and data, it’s typical of a Bernie bro.
@@Dante-mw2ez You very well may be right. The fact that he spammed the exact same copy-paste reply throughout this comment section really doesn't make it look like he actually cares about the reality of the situation.
As a Swede I can say that the picture painted in this video is incredibly inaccurate. First of the sources you've used are terrible, Johan Norberg for example is far right and thus heavily biased (he even had a party called Anarchy frontier). Secondly, it's clear you've done the (sadly) common mistake and assumed that Stockholm (Capital) politics is applicable to the entire country. Exhibit A, private healthcare outside of the Capital is minimal. The long queues for health care as described in the video is the result of a quickly growing metropole whose health care didn't keep up. Mainly because the muncipalities that the Capital consists of have heavily reduced taxation to further grow it's population. So, no matter if you are pro or against private health care, the video does not reflect reality. Nor does the arguments. Exhibit B, Swedish university education is free. The debt which is mentioned (that, by the way has a 0,16% interest and life-long pay-off time), is a voluentary loan that can be taken to increase living standard and removes the need to work aside from your studies. In reality, this loan is in it's entirety spent on rent and pleasure (alcohol, food etc). This stems from the fact that Swedes in general move to their own independent home by the age 18-20. Now if you are from the capital with it's high rents and still want to have your own place and study at one of the local universities, you are going to accumulate quite a high debt. However saying that going to university in Sweden accumulates debt is wrong on every level. It's like saying that visiting a resturant accumulates obesity, no your level and prefrence of consumption at the resturant affects this. Another thing not mentioned is that students recieve 2000 SEK monthly if they take the full loan, these 2000 kr are free and never to be repayed. For this reason a lot of students, me included when I studied, take the full loan and then use the actual loan to use as a none interest based loan to lay a fundation for a cheaper morgage which otherwise have a 2-4% interest. In other words, students go in debt, but their general debt is lower and with lowered interest than if you took no student loan. Exhibit C, Sweden does take from the rich and give to everyone (including the poor). If you earn more than 1.5 that of the avarage wage, which this year is considered ~ 55.000 SEK a month, you pay an additional 20-25% tax on anything above this sum. Meaning that on all money earned above ~55k SEK per month you pay 49-57% tax depending on your muncipality (lowest in the capital region). In other words, the taxation system is built to benefit middle to upper middle income earners (ranging from 0.5 to 1.49 times the avarage salary). Meaning, the vast majority of the population. To say that the system punishes the middle class is the most inaccurate thing I've ever heard. If anything it shows how little Johan Norberg knows about the taxation system of our country. It makes me sad that this video has provided such inaccurate information for so many people. If you are not going to use reliable sources and instead interview a pro-anarchy author and people who are completely unknown, then atleast use a disclaimer that the conclusions made are opinion based. If you want to make an accurate video, feel free to send questions to me and I'll be happy to find you proper sources to answer your question correctly. Or you can, you know, just interview someone who works with economics and such. Instead of interviewing an author on the subject. (My first ever thumbs down on a youtube video)
@cum2 Besiktas plz that has more to do with existing infrastructure rather than anything else, how many hospitals & specialists do you think there are in Jämtland compared to Stockholm?
@cum2 Besiktas plz It's always someone elses fault whn you ask a socialist. Never mind that Malmö is a financial black hole and has been socialist led for the past decade.
Great points! As another Swede, left leaning as well, I can asolutely agree. Worth adding is that the Cato institute is a libertarian thinktank founded by Charles Koch, of the Koch brothers. Regarding the taxes, it's certainly true that we don't tax capital enough but that is especially true since "we came to our senses" as Johan Norberg puts it. Since the 90's we've decreased the amount of tax we levie on capital and bussinesses by quite a bit and during the same time we've seen soaring wealth disparities and a decline in funding for healthcare etc. Also, I don't think I've seen a more smug looking swede than Norberg...
Sweden: the market economy with a social safety net that is a hotspot for being dubbed the Great Socialist Example This is why I love this RUclips channel. I’m moderate right (US) and just can’t stand the needless partisanship
@Jason Shriver We've been trying to improve education since Jimmy Carter; but the feminist rot in academia has produced only "woke" teachers more interested in indoctrinating kids than teaching them ideas and skills that would serve them throughout life. So now math is racist, and grades are racist, and our history has been twisted beyond recognition. Education would have been the great equalizer that allowed kids in bad neighborhoods to escape to the middle class, but feminists sabotage it with stuff like "common core" which obscures simple ideas so parents can't even help their kids with their schoolwork.
@HKZ P according to your wiki link, that party has been on a steady decline in Sweden for awhile now. It appears they once had quite a bit of influence, but Sweden has since lost its taste for socialist/marxist ideals. Gee, that sounds an awful lot like what was said in this video.
@HKZ P I didn't say anything about failure. I said decline. They have been steadily losing overall influence since the 80s. Years such as 2014 are clearly outliers in that trend. I will not pretend that those upticks are insignificant, they do not seem to result in lasting increases. This is all according to your link. As for gaining positions such as prime minister, bear in mind that even super liberal places such as NYC and the state of California are capable of electing Republican leaders. This doesn't suddenly make them Republican regions. Thus far nearly every argument levied in the fifty conversations you've decided to copypasta bomb with your wiki link have been strawmanning. Regardless, even if you wish to dismiss a shift towards right wing nationalism as temporary xenophobic insanity, it still marks a shift in the country's political climate resulting in a steady net decline in the influence of the Social Democrats. It could shift further in the future, or back the other way again, but denying that it has in fact shifted noticeably is plainly false. Trying to downplay the significance of that shift based on your personal feels about MUH XENOPHOBIA is nothing but flat-earth quality special pleading.
HKZ P Try to contribute to the conversation not just cut and past the same set of comments in every thread. BTW I have family that split their time living in both Sweden and France. I’ve visited them multiple times and nothing in this video is a lie.
Meanwhile in Canada our Communist Prime Minister is scaring away business and taxing me for using my gas vehicle to drive to work and to heat my home. All in the name of saving the environment.
And he is ignoring the crimes of communist operatives who are shutting down our rail travel. Imagine if someone blockaded Revenue Canada... they would sort that, but quick.
Tom Forsythe It’s ridiculous what’s going on. These people need to stop complaining and go get jobs. What happened hundreds of years ago Is not relevant.
I’m a bit curious why this show decides to tell so many half truths instead of telling the whole story. Is there an agenda? An example is the debt for higher education. The reason why so e students are in debt after they have graduated is that they don’t work part time, like students without fund would do in most other nations. There is no fee for the education and you can actually live quite well off the study grant and the study loan combined. A year or so after you have graduated, you start paying back on that loan. The interest rate is for 2020 is just 0,16% and the amount you pay on the debt each year is based on your yearly income, so the loans are very beneficial. The idea is that you should have payed back your entire loan before you get your pension. Most people, who have not gained a net income after they graduated, when taking student loan, are the ones who do not get a job in the same sector they studied to. There are of course many students who do not take a loan at all, those who are well off or those that work while studying. The education itself is all free except for the literature.
A lot of people, like myself, who went for higher education didn't get any debt at all since I lived in my parents house untill I was 22 and done with college. And look now, a year later... college degree, job, house and car with debt that isnt long lived. It all depends how you plan it. Sweden is the american dream.
@@svettgunnar97 Well done, but for most youngsters they want to live free from parents during college. So they take loans and pay a great amount for renting that small shitty apartment. Rent is for so many people the largest part of debt for being a student.
@@fredosinsemilla3896 Even if you wait untill ur 22 years old in order to take the next step. You are still moving out quite early in comparison to most europans...
@@svettgunnar97 For sure. I just wanted to clarify where the large student debts go to, which you exemplified perfectly. Students in general should pay less rent for their shitty apartments.
As they should. This video is misinformation. As much as it amusing to watch Lou be smug towards the Woke, he should take more time to actually learn about economics before making a video about it.
@@williamcullen8756 For a start, the idea that Sweden does not have a progressive tax system is absurd. It has a highly progressive tax system, one of the most progressive in Europe, and the bulk of government revenue comes from income tax and payroll tax: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Sweden#Income_tax www.oecd.org/tax/revenue-statistics-sweden.pdf The second point of contention is that socialism doesn't even mean what this video is trying to portray it as. Socialism is not a system of command economy, Socialism is a principle of economic exchange which arose in Europe as a backlash to the newly-created bourgeoisie, which had replaced the aristocracy as the main economic force in society. The peasants were no longer serfs, but then again, their new masters had no feudal obligation to them anymore, and so the poor became landless, homeless impoverished masses instead. Socialism arose, first in Germany then all over western Europe, as a demand to redress that balance, since the rich were getting rich specifically upon the backs of the poor. When the economist from the Cato Institute tries to tell you that socialism is controlling the economy, it's because he and his ideology believe that; it's called laissez-faire capitalism, and I'm sure I don't have to explain that any further. But, one of the hallmarks of this economic view is seeing ANY government intervention in the marketplace as a polluting influence, and frames all public enterprise as unwarranted 'control' of the economy. Socialism, by contrast, is merely the theory of exchange whereby the poor are protected from the excesses of the rich via regulations, protections and welfare paid for by the wealthy. Everyone already does it, including the United States, it's just that Sweden does it a lot MORE than we do, hence people referring to it as a socialist country, when in fact they are simply a democratic nation who utilizes a greater degree of socialism than we do. Thirdly, the information given about how the 'socialist period' tanked the economy is way off target. In fact, both employment _and_ GDP rose in Sweden during that entire period. In fact, their economy crashed actually thanks to a housing bubble and the global financial crashes. www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2020/03/02/fareed-zakaria-is-completely-ignorant-about-the-nordics/ Basically, everything substantial you've been told by this video was false.
Hate or just common sense...oh don’t worry, I’m on ur side, i personally believe experience is the best teacher for this particular brand of foolishness
@@Lodatzor so•cial•ism sō′shə-lĭz″əm► n. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy. Take a look at the Tax link you posted. Only one of the 3 major tax systems is "slightly" progressive; the income tax. I say slightly because it is a flat tax up to the first $45,000 (USD) and then only the next 20k is taxed at +20% and then +25% after that. Moreover; "A person working in Sweden typically earns around 117,000 SEK per month. Salaries range from 15,800 SEK (lowest average) to 518,000 SEK (highest average, actual maximum salary is higher)." www.salaryexplorer.com/salary-survey.php?loc=209&loctype=1 What does the above mean? It means that the AVERAGE Swede pays the max amount and only the very poor pay lesser ... BY A WIDE MARGIN. Only 25% or less earn 679,200 SEK per year and even those people are at the top bracket. Very few Swedes pay the base 32% So a Progressive tax that NO ONE PAYS is a flat tax. Lets look at your third point. You base your entire point on a single hyperbolic article written by Fareed Zakaria and debunked by Matt Bruenig who wrote in September 16, 2019 "Poverty is easy to fix. Just keep building the welfare state."
wait wait wait, if Bernie wants to implement universal healthcare a high taxes and universal healthcare and high taxes aren't socialist, doesn't that mean Bernie isn't a socialist?
Love how they actually talk nothing about the Swedish Model at all. Nothing about how the workers rose up in the late 1800s because they were tired of being exploited. Forming unions that later created a political party to put into law what the working people wanted. Things like universal vote, the healthcare system, the school system, the pension system, paid vacation and so on. In 1938 the unions of sweden and the employers of sweden signed a deal that they themselves should negotiate when it comes to salaries, work benefits and so on. Workers rights are a huge part of what made sweden what it is today, but the right wing parties find it to be too much to the left so it isn't actually taught in history classes anymore.
Before the 1960's the Social Democratic economy was extremely Laissez-faire, taxes were low (especially on workers) and Sweden benefited greatly by having a functional industry to help rebuild Europe after the war. The Social Democrats did not turn towards leftist experimentation until the mid 60's.
@@tylerstewart3181 60% tax? noone pays 60% tax in sweden. And it's not 25% VAT on everything we buy either. Nevermind that we don't pay taxes on wealth or inheritance, and that our taxes on bonds and obligations are miniscule. Meanwhile we don't get bankrupt if we get sick, we don't pay tuition for college education and at the moment we have job security so that we don't get fired when we get old and sick and can't work as fast as the younger workers. You also get guaranteed pay after turning 50 so they can't lower your salary below what you had at that point. 5 weeks paid vacation each year, paid maternity leave, paid paternity leave.We also get pension from the government aswell as from the companies we work for. Now who were the dumb ones again?
Not quite as simple as that. All those riches were accumulated under social democratic rule. Social democratic party was in power from the 1930's all the way into the 1990's. So to say social democracy was a failed experiment because of some policies in the 70's is disingenuous at best.
Thank you. I appreciate this video. I was starting to feel like a traitor being a liberal capitalist, but this video gave me the information I needed to be more confident in expressing my ideas.
@HKZ P The USA? Not yet. You left out Venezuela. Wonder why? Canadians come to America for health care if they can. They die waiting for care in Canada.
@HKZ P You are quite hostile to those who don't hold your viewpoint. Rand Paul went to Canada because he felt they could offer him specialized care for his specific needs. He paid cash. Canadian citizens who are put on waiting lists in Canada, will seek treatment in other Countries and pay cash. A friend of mine from Scotland, his mom died from type 2 diabetes as she was put on an endless waiting list, she was older and they stall the care at that point. I notice Mick Jagger flew his butt back to America when he needed heart value replacement. He chose not to take advantage of the wonderful National Health Care in England. The plain truth is theses Countries will offer basic care, just don't get seriously ill. I wish you well and choose not to denigrate you with name calling. Have a sparkling day.
It is not 100% true. It is still biased and isn't telling the full picture. We don't have a big private sector when it comes to the common good. And private healthcare has been heavily criticised. Same with private schools. Because they take money that is meant for the care or the students.
@@Ikajo Not a big private sector? HALF of all healthcare are provided by the private sector. You mean heavily criticized by the communist party ("left"). The private corporations get the same tax funds as the publicly run, but they provide better care/education and give higher salaries to their employees. And still they manage to make a profit. Something completely unheard of in the public sector.
I honestly rate this as your best video to date. Thank you for faithfully reporting objective truth without picking and choosing convenient policies and not forcing the discussion to fit into a slender and restrictive point of view.
Bernie Sanders, win or lose, will walk away with a kings ransom, yet he is the embodiment of a career politician...he should fear socialism...Capitalism has been very kind to him.
A career politician is someone whose only goal in life is to maintain political power/position. Just because hes a politician doesn’t make him a career politician. If he was, he wouldn’t be advocating for radical ideas. They are not a good way to stay in office
@@feelingveryattackedrn5750 Sanders has never had ANY job (except the odd job and being supported by women) till he went into politics so yes he is the textbook definition of a professional lifelong politician. Sorry to burst your bubble.
@@stephenchase6611 What is wrong with that? Working as a civil servant is a good job. The reason why "career politicians" are an issue is because they only care about the money and power of the job, not about the actual work theyre doing. Sanders is not a "career politician" just because hes a politician. Pelosi and Clinton are career politicians because they will do/say anything to retain political power. Am I making the difference clear enough?
Thank you guys for continuing to create great content. I just showed my housemate this video and had a positive discussion afterwards. Keep up the good work!
"Let's look to countries like Norway, and Finland, and Denmark..." Yeah, let's look to tiny countries that have homogeneous small fractions of the population we have here in America and start instituting some socialism. No thanks.
Brian Fassbender no, no absolutely let’s look! No minimum wage. No birthright citizenship. A decade to become a citizen. A low and flat federal income tax. Low business tax rates. Tight laws and enforcement against illegal immigration. Taxing the poor nearly as much, and in some ways even more, than they do the rich. Economic refugees and economic migrants are refused - flown back to their country of origin even. Want asylum but went through another country? Not getting it. Taxpayer funded healthcare and education for illegal immigrants? Nope. Those are all things that you find in each of the Scandinavian counties. Shamless plug: I go into a lot more depth at medium.com/@therealbill/sanders-vs-reality-round-two-be1d435e76d4 but be warned, it is a lot of reading. Take a snack and beverage (or two) if your up for learning the details.
@@rickardmodig dude it was a shameless plug. Sadly, most will miss the true moral of any story about good governance. Each state must choose what is best for it's people. Not everyone fits into a size XXXXL. In theory; yes it does fit. However, the garment is not functional and fails to meet individual clothing goals.
The workers do not own the means of production in Sweden. Thus, by definition, it is not socialism. Only Americans who cannot distinguish apples and pears believe in this.
Guess who didn't watch the video. Sweden is not socialist, that's for sure. And nobody in Sweden says it is, they are free market capitalists. So, what was your point again?
@Libtarded right...also I'm noticing Europeans seem to be a little sensitive... And that's it the European part I don't like I don't go around calling myself North American they should all grow a pair of nuts and be done with the globalist... All not most but all globalist SUCK
The workers do not own the means of production in any socialist country, the state owns it. In democratic socialism and national socialism the state does not own the means of production but instead controls it fully through legislation and takes as much as it can of the profits. There is no free market in Scandinavia.
Well, as a swede, I see many things in error here, but I can only be botherd to mention the ones refering to student loans. As mentioned, the student loans isnt acctually for studies. Its for living in your own apartment, if you decide not to work while studieing. Its not a loan anyone -have- to take, its a loan most -wants- to take. While some swedes choose to live with theire parents during the studies or work, most of us choose not to. You have to remember that sweden is heavily urbanised, meaning the vast majority of people lives close to a university and could very well live at theire parents during studies. The fact that 50% of swedish households are solo households is linked with the fact that we generally move from our parents at 19-20 years of age. So you have to questions your self, why would we want to get our selves in debt....? Because its an awesome loan! With all but non existent intrest. Its a loan banks wont recognice as an actually loan, so it wont hurt your creditrating in the future, Its a ridicouly slow payment plan, based more on your income, then the need to get money back. Its also suggested that we wont get return of the investment in sweden on studies; which indeed is true but only for for the cultural sector, (but then again...mention one cultureworker outside Hollywood ever getting a good salery) teachers (which is partly false, since it only applys for teachers working with the toddlers) and for some reasons biochemical analyzers....for the rest of us, belive me...we get our investment back...
The biggest lie is calling Sweden socialist which is used to obfuscate and misinform people about what socialism is. Socialism is described as a system of government where the means of production are controlled by the state. Yet, socialists tend to lie about that, and make it sound like it's some kind of woke, futuristic utopia, and point to successful non-socialist countries as examples. Venezuela is a prime example of what happens when a government seizes the means of production.
@@ulfrinn8783 Yeah sweden is a social democracy and not a democratic socialism. Social democracy is however based on socialist ideas mixed with capitalist ones. And even though sweden is not socialist as in communist that does not mean that this video is not a propaganda piece.
@@Ossian-dr1vr Sweden is a unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy, which means they're not a democracy, they're a monarchy, they have a king/queen. And their economy is a capitalist one. There are no socialist ideas going on in Sweden. Social safety nets do not constitute socialism. Anyone who tells you it does is bullshitting you to make you more open to a socialist country which is not something you want. You cannot mix socialist ideas with capitalist ones, they are polar opposites. Socialism is defined as an economy where the government owns the means of production.. you cannot have capitalism and socialism together, period.
@@ulfrinn8783 The king and queen have litterally no power at all, all of the power i within the parlament which is democratically elected so in practice this makes sweden completely democratic yes. Also taking money from people and redistributing it is a socialist idea.
@@Ossian-dr1vr It doesn't matter, Sweden neither by declaration nor by description is even close to Socialist. It's a fairy tail commies tell stupid people so they'll willfully except the most destructive form of government we've ever seen. Sweden isn't socialist, and those claiming it is also tend to push ideas not even remotely close to Sweden. Socialism hasn't worked, doesn't work, nor will it ever work, period. And anyone thinking you can tax the rich 50%+ to pay for all their empty promises is an idiot.
It actually makes me roll my eyes whenever people say “Scandanvia is socialist and that’s why we need it” 1.) Scandinavia isn’t socialist! I remember reading how in the 70’s Sweden tries doing something similar and it failed and people are unhappy then they went to an open market and things went smoothly. And the prime ministers and even the people keep screaming “WE’RE NOT SOCIALIST!” But Americans think if you have Universal Healthcare and Free Education that means socialism. These people just want a Capitalist economy but want the government to pay them to sit around and pay for everything (Welfare for the rich I like to call it). 2.) America is not Scandinavia! I seriously hate how leftist want to bring in Swedish, Finnish or Danish politics, way of life and so much but when you ask them “Why don’t you move these?” They’ll scream “ITS TOO EXPENSIVE!!” If we want to fix our country, we have to fix it the AMERICAN way. Capitalism, Liberty, Freedom and so on. If they want socialism then move to a socialist country.
@Mecoracon Lola So...what you're saying is that Americans live the ultimate consumerist lifestyle, characterised by consumption of massively unsustainable quantities of finite resources, made possible by outsourcing production to the rest of the world and consuming the combined resources of many, many poorer countries? And you look down on other countries that live closer to within their means, because those plebs don't have the benefit of global hegemony allowing them to consume way beyond sustainable limits at the expense of other countries? Or is it moreso that you've never questioned why Americans are able to consume such massive quantities at such ridiculously low prices? Maybe you're not familiar with the concept of externalities in economic theory, and you don't realise that Americans are externalising the true cost of their consumption to the rest of the world in order to maintain stupidly low prices for themselves? Perhaps you don't realise that America's rate of consumption isn't sustainable even at current levels, and the American model of consumerist Capitalism pushed onto the rest of the world is the primary factor driving resource depletion and ecological destruction? I'm no Socialist, but I also don't idolise the delusional free-market ideology Americans have been so deeply brainwashed with for decades. I'm concerned about the future of our species, which is faced with numerous challenges that America has accelerated precipitously. But I suppose it's true what they say - ignorance really is bliss, right?
Scandinavia is socialist in the same way Nazi Germany was. They control everything businesses do through legislation and tax them as much as possible. That is why our industry moved to Asia.
Johan Norberg isn't a very good source for unbiased information though. Like completely ignoring the fact that we have a progressive government income tax.
@@jvidalmora Johan is on the fringe of economic politics in Sweden and tend to play fast and loose with facts to prove his points. As mentioned, completely ignoring the progressive income tax. There was something about "privatization" of pensions as well right? It amounts to about 10% of the pension capital, the rest is a normal government pension. Minimum wages were mentioned as well I think. There is now law governing those as it is not needed due to very strong unions (google "toys r us sweden union"). Schools were mentioned I think, and that has been an utter catastrophe with Sweden dropping fast in PISA comparisons. I don't remember what else was brought up in the video, but I don't want to watch it again as it was just garbage.
@@copperdog No? Social democratic though. And Americans tend to use democratic socialist and social democratic interchangeably, even if that is incorrect. So I dant know what you are trying to say.
Everyone they’re interviewing are liberal economists, educators etc, therefore their interpretation and their answers to the questions are “liberal answers “. Sweden are the most liberal country in the world, here conservative is the worst thing you can call someone... This affects everything, even the economy. The question is why are they interviewing these particular people and what is the agenda of this RUclips channel??? This clip is a message, not a search for the truth!!! All the interviewers are from liberal think tanks or are liberal “believers”, not at all know in Sweden. It’s like listening to communist telling you about America, its only a point of view not the reality
Well, so does this video. I live in Sweden, and everyone in this video that is interviewed is basically our version of Republicans. Ofc they are gonna say it's a crap system, they want it removed.
Jim R, Bernie certainly has rose colored glasses. He’s sees BEYOND Communist oppression, BEYOND his beloved Soviet Union’s food shortages. When he was asked about “food lines” in the USSR, he replied, “But you have to admire that they were lining the poor up to be fed.” Then you point out to Bernie that they were standing in line HOPING that there would be food for them! The running joke became, Bernie could find the positive side of Adolf Hitler.. “But you have to admire Hitler’s highway system.”
@@robj7481 I mean, the US now has massive food lines because our handling of Coronavirus has been so poor. I hope that you have the same words for Donald Trump and Capitalism.
up until recently, Sweden was a mono-culture. That has a lot to do with their ability to try new things and change then when required. Oh and they don't have the devil running their financial system. That helps too.
I'm totally okay with the literacy comments because he's 100% correct that Castro did that. Just because you hate someone doesn't mean you can deny reality. Castro did indeed do that so you have to admit it.
@@jasondashney His bias is found in what he chooses to point out and what he chooses to ignore. If Bernie talked about the literacy program as well as the murder and the oppression and the poverty he'd have some integrity. It's impossible to take him seriously when he constantly ignores the horrors of communism.
Jason Dashney Yeah. The killers from slasher films are great because they picked up hitch hikers who would otherwise be standing there in harsh weather.
Fun fact, knowing what a 50% decrease in corporate taxation coupled with endlessly increased spending will do, e.g. massive debt consumption until the end of time.
Sweden does not only have mediocre universities. Karoliska Institute is ranked #5 in the world for medicine, and KTH is ranked #17 in the world for electric engineering and computer science
Awesome work! Every Bernie/AOC progressive should see this information. You folks do a lot of high quality production, I am sad to see it not getting more recognition. I will do what little I can, keep up the great work.
I remember the 70's in Sweden. My mom payed 102% of her income in taxes, while my dad payed 0% due to deductions of interest payments. At the end of the day inflation paid off the loans for him 🤣 You can have our socialism. We don't want it in 🇸🇪
Being swedish it always annoys me when americans say they wanna be like us. The political debate in America is terribly ridden with clickbait, it's missing the deep dive into many of the ideas that are being put forth. Thanks for this video!
I get it now. Socialist = bad, democratic socialist = good. Just like fascism = bad but democratic fascism = good?. The idea that the majority being in favor makes it good is silly.
You dont get it at all. Democratic socialism is a form of government regulation over markets. The markets themselves are still capitalist, but the profits are democratically assigned for social programs through taxation. Actual socialism is when the government controls the economy completely. There is no taxation because the profits are societies profits, not individuals profits, and the things that are produced are distributed across society according to need rather than according to individual purchasing power.
@@stephenchase6611 What? That question has nothing to do with what I just said. Im just explaining the differences between socialism and democratic socialism, not saying what works and what doesnt.
Stephen Chase aw lol. Well most countries in Europe have a better work-life balance and shorter work week than the US. People in Sweden make more in 40 hours work than people in the US make in 60 hours work
Exactly. Their relatively isolated system doesn't have the burden of a huge bordering country that will use open borders to drain tax payer based "free education" or "free health care" that Bernie wants to hand out. It's the elephant in the room "progressives" conveniently ignore. If you dare to bring it up, you are a racist.
@@beamreach7015 In Europe, in Sweden and other countries, we also have serious immigration problems. We have often Muslim migrants who bring their customs with them.
@@epinoke4168 The EU has said they are going to import 50 million more migrants before 2050. It is like they are provoking a war. We can't feed and house all these people and we don't want their disgusting culture/religions either.
@@Willy_Tepes I already replied but something happened but I'll try again. It depends on the morals the Muslim has. Which varies individual to individual. Most people are assaulted and murdered by people that have the same ethnicity as them. At least in the states.
@@latjolajban81 I'm not sure any news is 100% truthful, but this video appears to be at least looking for and communicating the truth. Do tell how it could be more accurate.
@@JohnsonJLB First, he is interviewing libertarians. That's like asking a muslim on the virtues of the christian crusade on Jerusalem and the middle east. Probably not gonna be very positive. First guy (from the Cato institute - a libertarian think tank) says Sweden was very rich in the 70's but then squandered it on social democratic policies in the 70's. Sweden was run uninterrupted by the social democratic party from the 1930's until the 1990's. The riches accumulated up until the 70's was accumulated under social democracy. To say that social democracy was a failed experiment because of some stupid policies in the 70's is disingenuos at best. Sweden is still rather social democratic. Not as much as it once was, but still very much a welfare state compared to most countries. There are other misleading narratives as well. But oh well.
@@latjolajban81 Actually, I still think the video is accurate here. A social democracy is different than democratic socialism. Although, it appears we're just switching the words and the two should be the same that doesn't appear to be the case when doing a quick google search. So when the commentator say's that democratic socialism failed I believe he is still correct. One big difference between the two is that democratic socialism is less free trade, and less capitalistic. Whereas a social democracy is more free trade and capitalistic. So, yes the democratic socialist policies put into place were reversed because they failed. Why they failed? It could have been timing and it could have been those policies are just unsustainable. I tend to agree with the later. Sweden may have more welfare programs than the US, but it is also more free trade than the US. While this video doesn't get into the gritty details like it could I still think it represents truth well.
@@JohnsonJLB I'm not talking semantics with social democracy/democratic socialism. The guy says at some point that Sweden was democratic socialist. That's not true. Sweden was never democratic socialist (which is actually socialist - social democratic is not actually socialist). The guy actually says social democracy is a failed experiment in Sweden because of social democratic policies in the 70's. It was never a failed experiment. Sweden ALWAYS had social democracy (not democratic socialism) from the 1930's onward. Sweden accumulated it's riches under social democracy. The guy is NOT correct. It's like looking at 2008 or the great depression and saying what a failed experiment capitalism is and leaving out all the years with good economic growth and stability.
The first ingredient you need for Swedens standard of living/society/culture is SWEDISH PEOPLE. Its laughable listening to people talk about importing Euro style democratic socialism whilst their country is swamped with third worlders from dictatorships
Just to set the record straight in case it was unclear in the video, most of us Swedes do actually like having state funded health care and education etc., most of us would NOT like to live in a country like the United States.
@@alifmuhammadchicago Ages ago when they stoped being socialist. Like the 90s. I moved there in the early 2000s and it was already gone. It really helped the poor get money. Such a good move
Dr.Ehrfurchtgebietend someone else said it above but I’ll say it again for good measure. Sweden and countries in the nordic areas don’t need to institute federal minimum wages because all of their wages are set through collective bargaining. That is why they have a much stronger middle class than the US does.
We all know about this history. That's what's so stupid about this whole debate. Sanders wants to model his changes to our system after Sweden. Whether you call their system socialist or not doesn't change what's being proposed.
@Rio: a) If Bernie ACTUALLY wants to model the U.S. after Sweden then he's very capitalistic in many ways. He should SAY this explicitly and in addition explain why he's (allegedly) changed his mind 150 degrees from what he earlier believed. b) The debate isn't stupid because Bernie is a life-long Communist, and anything he really proposes should be understood in line with his lifelong commitment to totalitarian economic systems. Bernie has never ever shown any understanding of the fundamental weaknesses of a coercive society; to the contrary, he's been a fervent proponent of societal violence throughout his whole failed and pathetic life.
@Rio: No, you're showing your ignorance: no one who actually knows Bernie and his history of boot-licking support for totalitarian regimes for close to a half-century would call it hyperbole. A typical example: confiscating the wealth of billionaires is right from the hard-core Commie playbook, a la his heroes Chavez and Castro. Pure totalitarian violence-not changes in 'the safety net'. Bernie, September 2019: ""There should be no billionaires. We are going to tax their extreme wealth and invest in working people."
Awesome report, just a quick caveat with college debt. The issue in Sweden is the fact that colleges are not located all over the country, they are in the main cities so most students have to travel and live in other cities to go to college. There are 31 public universities in Sweden vs 1,626 public colleges the United States. If the United States could have a more level education system in college then the smaller schools that are already in the smaller cities could sustain a larger student group while being free to the students. The United States could avoid the issue that Sweden has because they have more colleges per capita than Sweden. Mostly everything else was spot on...
I shared this on Facebook with a misleading intro. "I'm starting to question whether Swedish socialism is the way to go? Check out these 5 reasons we should follow that model.". Hopefully my leftist friends will see it, but most likely when they get to the first point being debunked, they'll stop watching. It's all about hating Trump and not actual reason and logic.
Everyone they’re interviewing are liberal economists, educators etc, therefore their interpretation and their answers to the questions are “liberal answers “. Sweden are the most liberal country in the world, here conservative is the worst thing you can call someone... This affects everything, even the economy. The question is why are they interviewing these particular people and what is the agenda of this RUclips channel??? This clip is a message, not a search for the truth!!! All the interviewers are from liberal think tanks or are liberal “believers”, not at all know in Sweden. It’s like listening to communist telling you about America, its only a point of view not the reality
About student loans: I have been studying in Sweden for 4,5 years and currently have a debt of 32k, with an interest at only 0.16%. It seems like this is less than the cost of one year's study in the US (for a public four-year college degree including housing). This is a loan you can take to be able to move away from home and feed yourself without working part time, which enables everyone to study regardless of you economical background. On top of this we are all given roughly 350 dollars a month for studying, with additions to that if you have kids. So yes, most of us have student debt, but you need to consider WHY we do and I'm curious as to why they didn't even bother to explain this in the video.
Exactly this. If you choose to study while living with your parents, then you wouldn't have any student debt (unless you choose to take the loan regardless).
I understand politicians are not perfect. What I don't understand is how there were no repercussions against politicizns such as Sanders after the way he said those misleading claims about Sweden
@cum2 Besiktas plz well you are a fucking dumbass if you think that. How much indepth do you think the american people go into when they vote. If they would go indepth there wouldn't be Joe biden vs Donald Trump, Both of them would be gone if people would just open their eyes
@@WeTheInternetTV Can you explain why that meme doesn't work? It seems very relevant. It starts with the left saying give me Sweden's democratic socialism. Then you have made this video saying Sweden isn't a socialist country. Now, I'm asking you. Why can't we imitate Swedish policies?
@@michaelpurcell487 every country in Europe is socialistic 🙂 But as capitalistic ground. Most people seems to think thats its either capitalism or socialism, but socialism is a form of capitalism!
@@Vaylash I mean, if your definition of "the left" is modern American democrats then that's exactly what they want. In fact, most don't even go that far
Everyone seems to overlook a “little” detail about Sweden (and the rest of Scandinavia), they have very small populations made up of mostly “cousins” who are very homogeneous.
@@wojtekczemas9668 wdym have nothing to do with sweden? They have come here to search asylum, illegal or legal idc, they are human beings needing help. They have everything to do with sweden, we grant their asylum, they can build their lives here, contribute to the society, put food in their children belly - something not everyone was able to before
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There is basically nothing in Norway besides oil. No industries, no innovation. Nothing. If you remove oil, they are basically back in 1960 with the fishing industry as the financial, platform.
I'm an average Joe living in a small town in Sweden. We bought our 2-room apartment of 62m2 for 4.000$, and our monthly charge was 220$ (split on two, 110$ each/month). I work in the same town, earning about 2100$ net after tax each month, which has enabled me to save quite a bunch of money. And still not having to worry about cost of healthcare and studies. Instead, having put aside enough capital to travel the world (which I've done). And yes, if you call taxes going to actual good things Socialism? Sure. We're not complaining.
So just to clarify things as a swede. University in sweden is free. The government even pays around 300$ a month to each student enrolled, debt free, to buy litterature and such. The debt comes from necessities such as food, housing, transportation and clothing. I know students who live at their parents for free and takes the loan (which is almost rent free, 0,16%) and invests it all, or save it to get a bigger loan from a bank past studies in order to buy a house - roughly 57 000$ after 5 years of study. It's not free since you pay taxes, but you can move to an other country and pay taxes there when you got your degree if you dont like the swedish taxes. On an other note: What makes sweden great is not socialism, it's workers rights, human rights and childrens rights. We care for people who NEEDS it, not for who wants it.
Starting with that 1. The second is scheduled to shut down too and the left is pushing hard to shit down the rest as well without an actual replacement.
Socialist Bernie:" We will tax the millionaire and billionaire". Socialist millionaire Bernie:" We will tax the billionaire." Hypocrite. Socialist:" Rules for the thee not for me".
I just watched a Michael Moore video where Piers Morgan called him out for being in the 1% and MM would not admit it. He insisted he's not. He's worth tens of millions. That's CLEARLY in the 1%. Globally probably the 0.000005%
Sweden not Tax Capital in Bank that is 0%, tax do say Rich have a Tax Paradise in Sweden and they know it are why quiet about it so many Hide Money in Swedish Banks so Be tax-free. So Sweden do not Tax Rich people.....
9:42 I like it how Norberg emphasizes on his words "focus" and "attention" while making his point and Lou immediately loses his focus to a well dressed cat😂
For those who want to be further Educated on Socialism or "Democratic Socialism", *read Rand Paul's new book on the subject,* which also goes into some of the "Scandinavian" claims.
The nation is not officially socialist, but the Social Democrats did wonderful socialistic things for the economy. Socialism is not necessarily government control of the economy, but the fact remain that it has a single payer system. Social Democrats came into power in 1932, and their socialistic reforms made Sweden one of the early nations to get out of the great depression. Sweden's free medical care, 90% unionization of the workforce, free college, robust welfare state is what we should have here. It is ironically true that socialism in Sweden still have it so that they are still more free market than the USA.
Remember she graduated from Boston University and majored in international relations and economics. graduating cum Laude in 2011. Let that sink in bud.
@@raouljoseph1411 Be honest, in your high school were the students with the highest marks the smartest, most intelligent or were they they ones who simply studied the most? There's a reason they say "The A students work for the C students and the B students work for the government".
@@jasondashney I can't argue against your statement because I have seen that results. Yep the average kid is now the president of grandpa company and the employees were the smartest kids in school, are now working under him. Seeing their frustrations and hatred is pathetic.
Excellent video!! I’m from Sweden and I have spent my life observing these strengths and mistakes of Sweden’s socialism. And yes, we keep making new mistakes. At the same time we evade many of the problems that exist in the US. I believe that US has a lot to learn from Sweden.
Next time: interview other people than liberals and capitalists, i'm talking about Johan Norberg and Andreas Bergh, both of them are liberals(right-wing in sweden)
That last comment is gold. Each country is different and have their own set of problems. You can't copy-paste solutions from another country that is completely different. Each country arrives to a better place thru mistakes they made. Transparency in decision making and open discussion of societal problems go a long way when finding those individual solutions for each country IMO.
Seeing some comments here essentially saying: Don't accept the truth from this guy because he's right-leaning, but continue to believe/overlook the lies when they come from the left.
This is the most complete assessment of the reality of the Swiss governmental model. It's appalling that any presidential candidate would make the call to be 'like' Sweden without a clue. Well, I didn't have a clue (though not sold on the liberal rhetoric) and am now informed on the subject. Thank you!
I hope as many people as possible will forward this great piece of reality to Bernie, Bernie's supporters, AOC and her minions! Please send this to as many people as possible. This is the first time I've seen this comedian, great clips, and of course, great interviews with the Swedish professionals! Thank you.
I absolutely love how Bernie Sanders said Denmark was socialist and then the next day the prime minister of Denmark said no we are not
Someone please tell Bernie.
coolerintext It is amazing how US leaders like Bernie try to convince people these countries are socialist
@Delling Conley Yes! Thank you.
He wasn't actually running in 2016, and he's not actually running now.
The's keeping the seat warm for Hitlary's fat, corrupt keister.
HKZ P i see you keep posting wiki as a legitimate source
HKZ P should have led with the correct sources to begin with, also these are actual people first hand sources, unlike whatever sources you are going to send
From a post on twitter
Sweden: we are NOT socialists
Socialists: they are socialists
Venezuela: we are socialists
Socialists: they are not socialists
deepblue7121a, ... EXCELLENT reporting ! Kool✌
ProNorden Agrarian-Nationalism so your reporting them for expressing a differing opinion thats not very cash money of you
I once had this discussion with a "democratic socialist" in college who was the dictionary definition of a Social Democrat, yet adamantly refused to admit it. These people bend over backwards trying to reinvent Socialism rather than just admitting that they're not Socialists.
Dehydrated Water how ironic. I think you meant “comprehension”? Lol
Talk about firing your shot first and painting the bullseye later...
Two things Sweden has done that we should implement:
1- recognize a bad policy
2- change it
Matthew Call ok ole
@John Johnson, they did. That's one of the things they had to change.
You forgot TERM LIMITING THE LEGISLATURE. Something the Swedes have done and what enabled them to have people in power who could "afford" to admit to mistakes and change. They were going away ANYWAY (after 3 terms) and so the legislature was composed of patriots, who loved there country AND had no career in government to lie for.
They made the slavery slightly lest severe .
@John Johnson it was the entire country. Waait til it comes to the USSA
I love how the title literally tricks Google's algorithm to recommend the video. Genius.
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The satire is subtle, but indeed genius.
I almost didn't click on the video haha
I was tricked for a second to think this was a Leftist video... yes, on _We the Internet_ 's channel...
Also "genius" to intervju rightwing people who twist the narrative into straight lies sometimes. This is not a documentary...
Insert people saying " it'll work this time."
That's called repeating history which is either foolishness or stupidity or both.
I call it Wayld E Coyote syndrome
No that’s only National Socialists, the only utopian political system that ever produced anything magnificent and under crushing pressure, no wealth, zero cooperation but opposite. In a few years was wealthiest from poorest, USA absurd liberalism wealth pandering for a few 200 years failed, 2000 years Christian failed, Jewish Bolshevism aka communism failed with the greatest death mass murdering body counts on earth’s history.
Jacob Friedman ☆ Because "it's never been tried before"?
Just like all the places they glaze over?
@@user-mp3eq6ir5b I can't quite tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me
Not even Sweden call themselves a socialistic economy, The Leader of Sweden even asked Sanders to quit saying it.
The only chance is that more relaxed virus containment policy, would be so praised by GOP that Dems would have to oppose anything Swedish as a matter of principle. :D
That was Denmark.
Sadly, Sweden is pretty socialistic, for real. (China is too, despite a successful market economy.)
@John Garrett Don't get my wrong. I love my home country, despite this. Especially my beautiful Stockholm that the social democrats tried to demolish after the war (between 1952 and 1974). Luckily some 60-70% of the city survived.
@@wowhallo Same difference.
As an immigrant from Mexico. My parents escaped the corrupt policies of the left leaning PRI... Only to come here to see the youth support the same left leaning policies of the American left... Yeah...
You have my sympathy, dear sir.
Let's do something about that and educate the snot out of them.
While the evil ones were working hard to destroy YOUR home country with bs such as the "Green Revolution" - simultaneously they were using their vast wealth to take over the education system here. They changed it to one that forced the children in and taught them whatever beliefs benefitted the cabal. We are looking at the results of all that right now.
Wow sounds like your family was very fortunate and well off to leave their country simply due to differences in political ideology. Most of them flee to US due to poverty and violence. And even then most would rather be in Mexico. If they could earn the same amount in Mexico that they do working in the fields here then they would still be in Mexico.
@@moviemanreviews5577 Saying his family "escaped the corrupt policies" does not mean that's the sole reason. Those policies CAUSED the poverty and violence. These are not separate things.
Movie Man Reviews It’s amazing I need to point this out to you in 2020, but the more left the political ideology is the more poverty and violence there is.
This needs to be shown at every poli sci class in the US college system.
If you could make a Living Income with a Political Degree, students would study harder to be more competitive. But it's not.
In the 70s it was "Liberal Arts" degrees, which gets you a chair at the Local Welfare office. In front or in back.
yankeefederer1994 too bad the students dont pay attention in this class. Clearly...
HKZ P
“Social” as an adjective to “democratic” is better than “democratic” as an adjective to “socialism.”
Stop your propaganda.
@HKZ P i know you mean well and probably do care about America at the very least. But please the United State is not the world. You are proposing that United States would be better of as a Democratic Socialist and maybe you're right but let's not turn a blind eye on what this is about. Politicians uses their power to change the society based on their idealogues NOT by representing their people. That's the problem. That in itself is an abuse of power. The politicians job is to represent the people regard laws, concerns and well-being. The key word is REPRESENT not DICTATE. Most politicians now dictates their ideology to the people and brainwash them into it. We elect them because they REPRESENT our interest NOT to spew honeyed words.
So that it can be laughed out of the room by people who actually know better than the makers of this video?
2010 Socialists: Chavez has found a new way in Venezuela. Hes proven socialism works!
2020 Socialists: Venezuela was never socialist, and its a straw man argument to suggest it was!
2020 Venezuela People:....
@6 languages and 4 degrees The economy had collapsed LONG before there was any oil embargo on Venezuela.
@6 languages and 4 degrees
As a lifelong socialist, I never supported the government of Venezuela. I also oppose the USA bullying Venezuela too. Sweden was always the model that I embrace. Sure, they have an aggressive free market system, but they also have powerful unions, single payer medical care, free college, etc that is lacking here in the USA that "WE MUST HAVE HERE" to solve income inequality.
@6 languages and 4 degrees 4 months??? The Venezuelan economy was collapsing since before Chavez even died!
I am Swedish / jag är svensk when my grandma got cancer, she never got treatment and died. My dad had to wait 1 year for a knee surgery- be very caution what you wish for. "free" means waitlines A LOT OF TIME.
There are plenty here who don't get cancer treatment either bc they can't afford it. So sounds like long wait times/super expensive care are pretty much the same thing bc they both result in ppl not getting the care they need. So basically if you are not rich you lose no matter what country you live or what economic systems they use.
Great comment@Mecoracon Lola ! And I completely agree, sometimes staying poor is a choice.
quezcatol Same thing in Canada which is why the wealthy fly to the US if they need immediate medical treatment.
In SPAIN we have FREE HEALTH-CARE & it works VERY WELL.
It doesn´t work equally well in all areas of Spain (cause we´ve autonomic governments for each region), but, in general, the system works great.
I live in the Basque Country, one of the regions where it works best, and I NEVER EVEN HEARD OF A CANCER PATIENT NOT GETTING FAST TREATMENT (a modern, well equipped, treatment).
Myself, I´ve had 4 SURGERIES throughout my life &, even though NONE were urgent, I NEVER WAITED +THAN 3/4 MONTHS, and I´VE NEVER PAID A CENT.
And the thing is that we, spaniards, don´t pay higher taxes than other countries either.
This seems like it could be an infrastructure problem. It wouldn't necessarily be the same in the U.S.
Unfortunately the people who need to see this probably won't.
Yup, this was really good.
I think that’s the idea behind the ironic title
@@RyanPrice01 good call
Pun Solo well....did you kindly share it with them? It takes all of us.,..we aren't👀🤔solo, Solo.🤓👌🏼
@HKZ P Sweden is a constitutional monarchy. With 9 different political parties. Sweden is NOT a socialist country. I know how you Marxist bums like to only tell half of the story
Disclaimer: Johan Norberg isn't our official spokesman. I see him appearing in many videos about sweden's politics and society. I suspect that he announces his interest in explaining how Sweden works for all the uninitiated. I'm just saying that you might listen to more people from different angles.
Johan Norberg, as a lolbertarian, who hates being taxed - should be honest and call Sweden for what it is, a highly refined communist dictatorship. To the degree a majority of Swedes will call themselves the freest people in universe. But he has always been an embarassment. He just can't help himself.
@@fredosinsemilla3896 du är en incell
@@eriksandberg2430 vad jobbig du är, precis som en kommunist. försöker förolämpa vem som helst på tvivelaktiga grunder för att vara det lägsta som går att vara. det jag vet är att du aldrig någonsin kommer att ge dig in i filosofiska samtal. over and out nigga.
@@fredosinsemilla3896 Jag förstår inte hur du tycker att Sverige är en diktatur. Vi har allt som en Demokrati ska ha (minus total yttrandefrihet), så vad tycker du gör oss en diktatur?
Sorry lads. I don’t read meatball
Sweden has never been socialist. We do not have "democratic socialism" here we have a strong influence of social democracy - and that is not socialist.
Don't you guys also have pretty strict immigration laws while the people in the US trying to latch onto the Scandanavian models want open borders? (They claim they don't, but I don't know how they can say that when they don't seem interested in any sort of border enforcement whatsoever).
@@db9944 We had a way too generous immigration policy that originated from the left. Pretty much all political parties now realize that this can't go on but it is a bit too open right now. An Australian stile point system is needed.
At 3:15 into the video, it sounds like you were for 20 years.
@Kissa Deff I'm all for people immigrating to the U.S. but only if they do it properly and go through the necessary channels to become a legal citizen. Opening the borders and just letting anybody come into the states to have a better way of life and reaping the benefits of this country while not helping to financially support the system would, like you said, be the downfall of this great country!
@@tstjohn777 I've in Sweden far longer than that. I grew up there in the 1960-1990s. Dad was what we call, "Gråsosse" ("gray socialist") that mean he was onboard with having social programs to help improve education, health care etc. (we needed that as Sweden was a very poor country up until WW2 was finished). But the whole thing had to be soundly financed which mean that he would not accept the ideas that came out of the "champagne socialists" that was in power in the 1970s and 1980s. So then you vote for parties with more sensible economic views. Remember that the "social-democrats" were in power during the time we went from a poor to a rich country, but those "grey socialists" wanted a mixed economy based on making life easier for businesses to start up and where there was a balance between trade unions and business-owners that minimised strikes or lock-outs.
Vlad Lenin also called himself democrat socialist. Until he allowed one election & lost it.
Well said
More like until he died and Stalin bullied his way to the top.
@Qwerty Bastard doesn't matter, Lenin's ideas were evil and so is anyone who agrees with him
Lenin was based
Johan Norberg is one of the most anti socialist (and anti social democratic) journalists in Sweden. Take his interview with a heavy grain of salt.
Milt sagt :)
@Leon Boman - I don't care if he's a six-breasted woman from Mars, ACTIONS speak louder than words - and certainly bloody labels!
When americans realize that we in sweden pay 60% income tax and 25% tax on everything we buy, and 6$/gallon on fuel, I bet you'll change your mind about socialism.
Nope! This is where my mind put it. If only we abolished property taxes the rest could, in theory, become optional.
GC I doubt you pay taxes other than sales tax. You really want to give 60% of your income to the government?
@@dooolaay I pay thousands. What gave you the impression that I wanted to pay more?
My reply is that what he explained is exactly where I saw Sweden's brand of socialism to be, and that my mind was made up to reject it from the start and his figures did nothing whatsoever to change that!
As they video says, we should follow our own path, we don’t need all that. But we do need a public health option. Anyone that can afford private options would still be free to do so, the USPS hasnt put Fedex & UPS out of business.
@@dooolaay We kinda already do in the U.S. though....we pay state, local, federal, property, inheritance, capital gains, sales, and a myriad of other taxes....when you add it all up, the average American pays between 40 and 60% of their income to taxes (and if you're one of the people in the "top 1%" who makes $250,000 or more per year, you can estimate your federal taxes at 30 to 40 percent, even after you take out everything you qualify to take....the whole "rich don't pay their fair share" is a stupid argument, and showcases ignorance on how taxes work...business taxes and income taxes are not the same thing, but people keep acting as if business taxes are the same as income taxes. x.x )
In my state, there's a nearly 10 percent state tax, plus local taxes of around 3-4 percent (depending on the county you live in). If I lived a few blocks over, then I'd also have to pay a city tax. Plus you have social security and medicare taxes, which add up to 10.5 percent (if you work a job...I'm self-employed, so social security taxes are 15 percent rather than 7.5 percent). Just state, local, and social security/medicare in my local area costs the average person about 23-24 percent.
Sadly, a RUclips comedy channel is more informative than any dedicated news outlet.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but most western news media outlets are just propanda pushers. Some YT channels like X22report, are more credible than "dedicated" news outlets.
@White Wild
What have you have against Pandas!?! They're Black, They're White. They're Asian. Be more like the Panda.
(Yes, I am joking. Can't you tell? Those who can aren't SJW's.)
Nick Anthony
All media outlets are owned/controlled by the über rich (and only one of those outlets is not owned by a democrat).... and they use those media outlets to keep the serfs in line...
Snowmon89 ok, I will. But those polar bears are jerks & get no love from me. "F*ck the Polar Bears!"
Marcus Aurelius adults were having a discussion.... either stand aside quietly and listen or go wait in the car....
*You need to specify "marginal taxes", many doesnt have a clue what it means*
Furthermore, we have 4 brackets of VAT with 25% being the highest, groceries are 12%, books and domestic travel are 6%, dental care has 0% VAT, etc.
Also, on a side note, some students take out more of the student loans than they actually need, cause it's a freaking good loan ;) Some even use it towards buying a home.
Great all s well that ends well. Relax
No use of your comment. I feel the reason of this video is not to educate about Sweden but only to make people to stand firm and vote for Trump. This video is made to make Sweden model look bad in comparison to the USA way. Sweden is of course not just all good, and all countries has their problems. But i would rather live in Sweden with this system than the american system that makes me sick just hearing about it. If Sweden plays their card wrong we might end up as USA (bad for the people). If USA get some of the good things from Sweden it's better for the people in USA. Even if USA would try hard to become as Sweden it would not be possible, and no country should copy from another country instead pick the good parts from all systems.
HappySwedishPancake marginal tax is the tax you play on your last made 1000 SEK. If you stay below the bracket for govt tax, it’s about 300 SEK, above the bracket about 500 SEK. If you get a payrise of 1k, 300 will be lost to taxes and your real payrise is 700. Municipal and regional tax is roughly 33,3% total, if you add govt tax it’s 55% for everything earnt above that bracket.
I am kinda guilty xD Taking out my full 10k for loans even if I do not yet need it. But spending it gives it back into the economy. XD
ok...then I'm going to do my dental work in Sweden (0% insted of 7%) but I''l buy brokolli only from US grocery (0% instead of 12%) ..How much do you pay for gas? here in Texas is 0.30c per litter.. Registration fees for a 8000 cc car $65 a year.. NO state taxes.. VAT TAX 0 -7%..HOW MUCH DO YOU PAY FOR A CAR? 25%?
I'd had no idea about how the Swedish economy got to where it is today. (btw 10/10 on the bait and switch - heh) This is fast becoming my favorite YT channel.
@HKZ P What lies? Would you care to provide examples? I looked at the Wikipedia article and found nothing that conflicted with the video.
@@jessefletcher2365 You are not dealing with the average socialist anymore...
@HKZ P I suspected you'd make such a misguided claim. No. Pay attention: the party in Sweden you're referring to is the Social Democratic Party - they support social democracy, NOT democratic socialism. In case you don't understand the difference, here it is:
Social democracy is a concept of democratic government with a focus on social programs - welfare, education, healthcare, etc. In many ways, the United States can be considered a social democracy - we have Obamacare, Social Security, federal grants and loans for student education, etc.
Democratic socialism is a concept of socialism that attempts to be representative of the people - government control of property, the means of production, and the economy.
Notice that Sweden exhibits every aspect of social democracy but NONE of the notable aspects of democratic socialism. That's because Sweden is not a socialist country of any kind - as the Swedish people in this video pointed out, they tried that, and it failed. Thus, they embraced social democracy with a focus on free markets, privatized means of production, and private property - much like the United States.
Jesse Fletcher There is a reason people aren’t responding to this moron, he links a wiki link and makes an ignorant claim and then disappears when informed people respond with facts and data, it’s typical of a Bernie bro.
@@Dante-mw2ez You very well may be right. The fact that he spammed the exact same copy-paste reply throughout this comment section really doesn't make it look like he actually cares about the reality of the situation.
Man i was so happy when i found this channel, you guys deserve to be way bigger. Funny content, with actual learning involved.
I am not Able-bodied to p
Good to know great information that we don't know about socialism wow
Obviously Bennie
didn't know either.
As a Swede I can say that the picture painted in this video is incredibly inaccurate. First of the sources you've used are terrible, Johan Norberg for example is far right and thus heavily biased (he even had a party called Anarchy frontier). Secondly, it's clear you've done the (sadly) common mistake and assumed that Stockholm (Capital) politics is applicable to the entire country.
Exhibit A, private healthcare outside of the Capital is minimal. The long queues for health care as described in the video is the result of a quickly growing metropole whose health care didn't keep up. Mainly because the muncipalities that the Capital consists of have heavily reduced taxation to further grow it's population. So, no matter if you are pro or against private health care, the video does not reflect reality. Nor does the arguments.
Exhibit B, Swedish university education is free. The debt which is mentioned (that, by the way has a 0,16% interest and life-long pay-off time), is a voluentary loan that can be taken to increase living standard and removes the need to work aside from your studies. In reality, this loan is in it's entirety spent on rent and pleasure (alcohol, food etc). This stems from the fact that Swedes in general move to their own independent home by the age 18-20. Now if you are from the capital with it's high rents and still want to have your own place and study at one of the local universities, you are going to accumulate quite a high debt. However saying that going to university in Sweden accumulates debt is wrong on every level. It's like saying that visiting a resturant accumulates obesity, no your level and prefrence of consumption at the resturant affects this. Another thing not mentioned is that students recieve 2000 SEK monthly if they take the full loan, these 2000 kr are free and never to be repayed. For this reason a lot of students, me included when I studied, take the full loan and then use the actual loan to use as a none interest based loan to lay a fundation for a cheaper morgage which otherwise have a 2-4% interest. In other words, students go in debt, but their general debt is lower and with lowered interest than if you took no student loan.
Exhibit C, Sweden does take from the rich and give to everyone (including the poor). If you earn more than 1.5 that of the avarage wage, which this year is considered ~ 55.000 SEK a month, you pay an additional 20-25% tax on anything above this sum. Meaning that on all money earned above ~55k SEK per month you pay 49-57% tax depending on your muncipality (lowest in the capital region). In other words, the taxation system is built to benefit middle to upper middle income earners (ranging from 0.5 to 1.49 times the avarage salary). Meaning, the vast majority of the population. To say that the system punishes the middle class is the most inaccurate thing I've ever heard. If anything it shows how little Johan Norberg knows about the taxation system of our country.
It makes me sad that this video has provided such inaccurate information for so many people. If you are not going to use reliable sources and instead interview a pro-anarchy author and people who are completely unknown, then atleast use a disclaimer that the conclusions made are opinion based.
If you want to make an accurate video, feel free to send questions to me and I'll be happy to find you proper sources to answer your question correctly. Or you can, you know, just interview someone who works with economics and such. Instead of interviewing an author on the subject.
(My first ever thumbs down on a youtube video)
As a swede I can't agree more with this comment.
Det är amerikanskt valår och de vill bara höra deras befintliga åsikter bekräftade vare sig det är sanning eller ej
@cum2 Besiktas plz that has more to do with existing infrastructure rather than anything else, how many hospitals & specialists do you think there are in Jämtland compared to Stockholm?
@cum2 Besiktas plz It's always someone elses fault whn you ask a socialist. Never mind that Malmö is a financial black hole and has been socialist led for the past decade.
Great points! As another Swede, left leaning as well, I can asolutely agree. Worth adding is that the Cato institute is a libertarian thinktank founded by Charles Koch, of the Koch brothers.
Regarding the taxes, it's certainly true that we don't tax capital enough but that is especially true since "we came to our senses" as Johan Norberg puts it. Since the 90's we've decreased the amount of tax we levie on capital and bussinesses by quite a bit and during the same time we've seen soaring wealth disparities and a decline in funding for healthcare etc.
Also, I don't think I've seen a more smug looking swede than Norberg...
Sweden: the market economy with a social safety net that is a hotspot for being dubbed the Great Socialist Example
This is why I love this RUclips channel. I’m moderate right (US) and just can’t stand the needless partisanship
@Jason Shriver We've been trying to improve education since Jimmy Carter; but the feminist rot in academia has produced only "woke" teachers more interested in indoctrinating kids than teaching them ideas and skills that would serve them throughout life. So now math is racist, and grades are racist, and our history has been twisted beyond recognition. Education would have been the great equalizer that allowed kids in bad neighborhoods to escape to the middle class, but feminists sabotage it with stuff like "common core" which obscures simple ideas so parents can't even help their kids with their schoolwork.
@HKZ P You're relying on Wikipedia for facts, and a politician's self labelling is to be believed !!!! 🤣🤣
@HKZ P according to your wiki link, that party has been on a steady decline in Sweden for awhile now. It appears they once had quite a bit of influence, but Sweden has since lost its taste for socialist/marxist ideals. Gee, that sounds an awful lot like what was said in this video.
@HKZ P I didn't say anything about failure. I said decline. They have been steadily losing overall influence since the 80s. Years such as 2014 are clearly outliers in that trend. I will not pretend that those upticks are insignificant, they do not seem to result in lasting increases. This is all according to your link. As for gaining positions such as prime minister, bear in mind that even super liberal places such as NYC and the state of California are capable of electing Republican leaders. This doesn't suddenly make them Republican regions.
Thus far nearly every argument levied in the fifty conversations you've decided to copypasta bomb with your wiki link have been strawmanning. Regardless, even if you wish to dismiss a shift towards right wing nationalism as temporary xenophobic insanity, it still marks a shift in the country's political climate resulting in a steady net decline in the influence of the Social Democrats. It could shift further in the future, or back the other way again, but denying that it has in fact shifted noticeably is plainly false. Trying to downplay the significance of that shift based on your personal feels about MUH XENOPHOBIA is nothing but flat-earth quality special pleading.
HKZ P Try to contribute to the conversation not just cut and past the same set of comments in every thread. BTW I have family that split their time living in both Sweden and France. I’ve visited them multiple times and nothing in this video is a lie.
Meanwhile in Canada our Communist Prime Minister is scaring away business and taxing me for using my gas vehicle to drive to work and to heat my home. All in the name of saving the environment.
Does anyone take Trudeau seriously?
Kevin Norris no, we don’t take him serious.
And he is ignoring the crimes of communist operatives who are shutting down our rail travel. Imagine if someone blockaded Revenue Canada... they would sort that, but quick.
Tom Forsythe It’s ridiculous what’s going on. These people need to stop complaining and go get jobs. What happened hundreds of years ago Is not relevant.
@@tomforsythe7024 communist???
I’m a bit curious why this show decides to tell so many half truths instead of telling the whole story. Is there an agenda?
An example is the debt for higher education. The reason why so e students are in debt after they have graduated is that they don’t work part time, like students without fund would do in most other nations. There is no fee for the education and you can actually live quite well off the study grant and the study loan combined. A year or so after you have graduated, you start paying back on that loan. The interest rate is for 2020 is just 0,16% and the amount you pay on the debt each year is based on your yearly income, so the loans are very beneficial. The idea is that you should have payed back your entire loan before you get your pension. Most people, who have not gained a net income after they graduated, when taking student loan, are the ones who do not get a job in the same sector they studied to. There are of course many students who do not take a loan at all, those who are well off or those that work while studying. The education itself is all free except for the literature.
A lot of people, like myself, who went for higher education didn't get any debt at all since I lived in my parents house untill I was 22 and done with college. And look now, a year later... college degree, job, house and car with debt that isnt long lived. It all depends how you plan it. Sweden is the american dream.
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@@svettgunnar97 Well done, but for most youngsters they want to live free from parents during college. So they take loans and pay a great amount for renting that small shitty apartment. Rent is for so many people the largest part of debt for being a student.
@@fredosinsemilla3896 Even if you wait untill ur 22 years old in order to take the next step. You are still moving out quite early in comparison to most europans...
@@svettgunnar97 For sure. I just wanted to clarify where the large student debts go to, which you exemplified perfectly. Students in general should pay less rent for their shitty apartments.
1:19 please tell the 'socialists' in America this.
Those people are so misinformed it's pathetic.
Hasan Rudd the title will lure them in. Then it will trigger them and make them hit the thumbs down button.
They're only "misinformed" and "pathetic" if you use the actual definitions; they just use other, made up, definitions.
@HKZ P hahahaha Wikipedia?? teachers give a F grade for anyone that uses that. Good try! ahahahaha
@@infinitymediaproductions4350 Wikipedia is the Democrats\Leftist encyclopedia. It's their "truth".
You guys are going to get SO much hate for this video. I love it.
As they should. This video is misinformation. As much as it amusing to watch Lou be smug towards the Woke, he should take more time to actually learn about economics before making a video about it.
@@Lodatzor What points were wrong?
Link me to some facts and I'll listen/read what you put out and have an open mind.
@@williamcullen8756
For a start, the idea that Sweden does not have a progressive tax system is absurd. It has a highly progressive tax system, one of the most progressive in Europe, and the bulk of government revenue comes from income tax and payroll tax:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Sweden#Income_tax
www.oecd.org/tax/revenue-statistics-sweden.pdf
The second point of contention is that socialism doesn't even mean what this video is trying to portray it as. Socialism is not a system of command economy, Socialism is a principle of economic exchange which arose in Europe as a backlash to the newly-created bourgeoisie, which had replaced the aristocracy as the main economic force in society. The peasants were no longer serfs, but then again, their new masters had no feudal obligation to them anymore, and so the poor became landless, homeless impoverished masses instead. Socialism arose, first in Germany then all over western Europe, as a demand to redress that balance, since the rich were getting rich specifically upon the backs of the poor. When the economist from the Cato Institute tries to tell you that socialism is controlling the economy, it's because he and his ideology believe that; it's called laissez-faire capitalism, and I'm sure I don't have to explain that any further. But, one of the hallmarks of this economic view is seeing ANY government intervention in the marketplace as a polluting influence, and frames all public enterprise as unwarranted 'control' of the economy. Socialism, by contrast, is merely the theory of exchange whereby the poor are protected from the excesses of the rich via regulations, protections and welfare paid for by the wealthy. Everyone already does it, including the United States, it's just that Sweden does it a lot MORE than we do, hence people referring to it as a socialist country, when in fact they are simply a democratic nation who utilizes a greater degree of socialism than we do.
Thirdly, the information given about how the 'socialist period' tanked the economy is way off target. In fact, both employment _and_ GDP rose in Sweden during that entire period. In fact, their economy crashed actually thanks to a housing bubble and the global financial crashes. www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2020/03/02/fareed-zakaria-is-completely-ignorant-about-the-nordics/
Basically, everything substantial you've been told by this video was false.
Hate or just common sense...oh don’t worry, I’m on ur side, i personally believe experience is the best teacher for this particular brand of foolishness
@@Lodatzor
so•cial•ism sō′shə-lĭz″əm►
n. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
Take a look at the Tax link you posted. Only one of the 3 major tax systems is "slightly" progressive; the income tax. I say slightly because it is a flat tax up to the first $45,000 (USD) and then only the next 20k is taxed at +20% and then +25% after that. Moreover;
"A person working in Sweden typically earns around 117,000 SEK per month. Salaries range from 15,800 SEK (lowest average) to 518,000 SEK (highest average, actual maximum salary is higher)." www.salaryexplorer.com/salary-survey.php?loc=209&loctype=1
What does the above mean? It means that the AVERAGE Swede pays the max amount and only the very poor pay lesser ... BY A WIDE MARGIN. Only 25% or less earn 679,200 SEK per year and even those people are at the top bracket. Very few Swedes pay the base 32% So a Progressive tax that NO ONE PAYS is a flat tax.
Lets look at your third point. You base your entire point on a single hyperbolic article written by Fareed Zakaria and debunked by Matt Bruenig who wrote in September 16, 2019
"Poverty is easy to fix. Just keep building the welfare state."
"What am I doing here?"
Vacationing in Sweden, you slacker.
And marking a documentary about it, to justify your expenses!!!??
“I should be back in school on the other side of the ocean.”
“Yes, that’s exactly what you should be doing tf?”
ruclips.net/video/7xCe2m0kiSg/видео.html
Oh well Bernie. At least you still have Venezuela. Oh wait nevermind
wait wait wait, if Bernie wants to implement universal healthcare a high taxes and universal healthcare and high taxes aren't socialist, doesn't that mean Bernie isn't a socialist?
Bernie says Denmark which is superior in democracy than USA, only Fox News says Denmark and Venezuela and failed more than F student.
Love how they actually talk nothing about the Swedish Model at all. Nothing about how the workers rose up in the late 1800s because they were tired of being exploited. Forming unions that later created a political party to put into law what the working people wanted. Things like universal vote, the healthcare system, the school system, the pension system, paid vacation and so on. In 1938 the unions of sweden and the employers of sweden signed a deal that they themselves should negotiate when it comes to salaries, work benefits and so on. Workers rights are a huge part of what made sweden what it is today, but the right wing parties find it to be too much to the left so it isn't actually taught in history classes anymore.
@@Dumlen Per-Albins folkhem was a total copy of Nazi-Germany, but a leftist would either not know it or otherwise deny it.
Before the 1960's the Social Democratic economy was extremely Laissez-faire, taxes were low (especially on workers) and Sweden benefited greatly by having a functional industry to help rebuild Europe after the war.
The Social Democrats did not turn towards leftist experimentation until the mid 60's.
The workers wanted 60% tax and 25% tax on everything they buy?
Never call Americans dumb again...ever ever ever ever! 😂😂
@@tylerstewart3181 60% tax? noone pays 60% tax in sweden. And it's not 25% VAT on everything we buy either. Nevermind that we don't pay taxes on wealth or inheritance, and that our taxes on bonds and obligations are miniscule. Meanwhile we don't get bankrupt if we get sick, we don't pay tuition for college education and at the moment we have job security so that we don't get fired when we get old and sick and can't work as fast as the younger workers. You also get guaranteed pay after turning 50 so they can't lower your salary below what you had at that point. 5 weeks paid vacation each year, paid maternity leave, paid paternity leave.We also get pension from the government aswell as from the companies we work for.
Now who were the dumb ones again?
@@Dumlen I still don't understand where the two 30% taxes are coming from.
"The policies were perverse, unsustainable, and absurd." Good, rational thinking there.
4:08
same with the middle and lower class being the reason countries exceed
I doubt that will into OAC's pea brain.
Not quite as simple as that. All those riches were accumulated under social democratic rule. Social democratic party was in power from the 1930's all the way into the 1990's. So to say social democracy was a failed experiment because of some policies in the 70's is disingenuous at best.
@John Johnson 85% tax? Hahaha. Yeah. Right. Keep on dreaming.
Thank you. I appreciate this video. I was starting to feel like a traitor being a liberal capitalist, but this video gave me the information I needed to be more confident in expressing my ideas.
Socialism/Communism/Marxism are the OPPOSITE of what America is about!
@HKZ P JFK was not a Socialist, he cut taxes. If he were alive today he'd be on the Trump Train.
@HKZ P show me a Country where Socialism works.
@HKZ P The USA? Not yet. You left out Venezuela. Wonder why? Canadians come to America for health care if they can. They die waiting for care in Canada.
@HKZ P You are quite hostile to those who don't hold your viewpoint. Rand Paul went to Canada because he felt they could offer him specialized care for his specific needs. He paid cash. Canadian citizens who are put on waiting lists in Canada, will seek treatment in other Countries and pay cash. A friend of mine from Scotland, his mom died from type 2 diabetes as she was put on an endless waiting list, she was older and they stall the care at that point. I notice Mick Jagger flew his butt back to America when he needed heart value replacement. He chose not to take advantage of the wonderful National Health Care in England. The plain truth is theses Countries will offer basic care, just don't get seriously ill. I wish you well and choose not to denigrate you with name calling. Have a sparkling day.
Why has this been given downvotes? I am a Swede this is 100% true.
It is not 100% true. It is still biased and isn't telling the full picture. We don't have a big private sector when it comes to the common good. And private healthcare has been heavily criticised. Same with private schools. Because they take money that is meant for the care or the students.
@@Ikajo Not a big private sector? HALF of all healthcare are provided by the private sector.
You mean heavily criticized by the communist party ("left").
The private corporations get the same tax funds as the publicly run, but they provide better care/education and give higher salaries to their employees. And still they manage to make a profit. Something completely unheard of in the public sector.
I honestly rate this as your best video to date.
Thank you for faithfully reporting objective truth without picking and choosing convenient policies and not forcing the discussion to fit into a slender and restrictive point of view.
Bernie Sanders, win or lose, will walk away with a kings ransom, yet he is the embodiment of a career politician...he should fear socialism...Capitalism has been very kind to him.
Calvin Collins even rich liberals don’t want their money redistributed
He will run for president every 4 years and fold like a cheap suit every time until he dies. He funnels some of that money to his wife and friends.
A career politician is someone whose only goal in life is to maintain political power/position. Just because hes a politician doesn’t make him a career politician. If he was, he wouldn’t be advocating for radical ideas. They are not a good way to stay in office
@@feelingveryattackedrn5750 Sanders has never had ANY job (except the odd job and being supported by women) till he went into politics so yes he is the textbook definition of a professional lifelong politician. Sorry to burst your bubble.
@@stephenchase6611 What is wrong with that? Working as a civil servant is a good job. The reason why "career politicians" are an issue is because they only care about the money and power of the job, not about the actual work theyre doing. Sanders is not a "career politician" just because hes a politician. Pelosi and Clinton are career politicians because they will do/say anything to retain political power. Am I making the difference clear enough?
Thank you guys for continuing to create great content. I just showed my housemate this video and had a positive discussion afterwards. Keep up the good work!
Great to hear! Thanks.
"Let's look to countries like Norway, and Finland, and Denmark..."
Yeah, let's look to tiny countries that have homogeneous small fractions of the population we have here in America and start instituting some socialism. No thanks.
Brian Fassbender no, no absolutely let’s look!
No minimum wage. No birthright citizenship. A decade to become a citizen. A low and flat federal income tax. Low business tax rates. Tight laws and enforcement against illegal immigration. Taxing the poor nearly as much, and in some ways even more, than they do the rich. Economic refugees and economic migrants are refused - flown back to their country of origin even. Want asylum but went through another country? Not getting it.
Taxpayer funded healthcare and education for illegal immigrants? Nope.
Those are all things that you find in each of the Scandinavian counties.
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Or the diversity in culture.
Yeah let's raid European countries for centuries and take over Iceland and Greenland
@@rickardmodig dude it was a shameless plug.
Sadly, most will miss the true moral of any story about good governance.
Each state must choose what is best for it's people. Not everyone fits into a size XXXXL. In theory; yes it does fit. However, the garment is not functional and fails to meet individual clothing goals.
Brian Fassbender
Your right! Hey doesn’t America protect them? That’s some savings right there
The workers do not own the means of production in Sweden. Thus, by definition, it is not socialism.
Only Americans who cannot distinguish apples and pears believe in this.
@Libtarded Europe swallows... Was there in the 80s when I was in the Army and can tell you I wouldn't piss on the place if it was on fire
Guess who didn't watch the video. Sweden is not socialist, that's for sure. And nobody in Sweden says it is, they are free market capitalists. So, what was your point again?
@Libtarded right...also I'm noticing Europeans seem to be a little sensitive... And that's it the European part I don't like I don't go around calling myself North American they should all grow a pair of nuts and be done with the globalist... All not most but all globalist SUCK
The workers do not own the means of production in any socialist country, the state owns it. In democratic socialism and national socialism the state does not own the means of production but instead controls it fully through legislation and takes as much as it can of the profits. There is no free market in Scandinavia.
@@AndrewLale 24% of the Swedish population call bullshit on this and we will take power soon. The left's little brown pets will soon have to leave :)
Well, as a swede, I see many things in error here, but I can only be botherd to mention the ones refering to student loans.
As mentioned, the student loans isnt acctually for studies. Its for living in your own apartment, if you decide not to work while studieing. Its not a loan anyone -have- to take, its a loan most -wants- to take. While some swedes choose to live with theire parents during the studies or work, most of us choose not to.
You have to remember that sweden is heavily urbanised, meaning the vast majority of people lives close to a university and could very well live at theire parents during studies. The fact that 50% of swedish households are solo households is linked with the fact that we generally move from our parents at 19-20 years of age.
So you have to questions your self, why would we want to get our selves in debt....?
Because its an awesome loan!
With all but non existent intrest. Its a loan banks wont recognice as an actually loan, so it wont hurt your creditrating in the future, Its a ridicouly slow payment plan, based more on your income, then the need to get money back.
Its also suggested that we wont get return of the investment in sweden on studies; which indeed is true but only for for the cultural sector, (but then again...mention one cultureworker outside Hollywood ever getting a good salery) teachers (which is partly false, since it only applys for teachers working with the toddlers) and for some reasons biochemical analyzers....for the rest of us, belive me...we get our investment back...
The biggest lie is calling Sweden socialist which is used to obfuscate and misinform people about what socialism is. Socialism is described as a system of government where the means of production are controlled by the state. Yet, socialists tend to lie about that, and make it sound like it's some kind of woke, futuristic utopia, and point to successful non-socialist countries as examples. Venezuela is a prime example of what happens when a government seizes the means of production.
@@ulfrinn8783 Yeah sweden is a social democracy and not a democratic socialism. Social democracy is however based on socialist ideas mixed with capitalist ones. And even though sweden is not socialist as in communist that does not mean that this video is not a propaganda piece.
@@Ossian-dr1vr Sweden is a unitary parliamentary
constitutional monarchy, which means they're not a democracy, they're a monarchy, they have a king/queen. And their economy is a capitalist one.
There are no socialist ideas going on in Sweden. Social safety nets do not constitute socialism. Anyone who tells you it does is bullshitting you to make you more open to a socialist country which is not something you want.
You cannot mix socialist ideas with capitalist ones, they are polar opposites. Socialism is defined as an economy where the government owns the means of production.. you cannot have capitalism and socialism together, period.
@@ulfrinn8783 The king and queen have litterally no power at all, all of the power i within the parlament which is democratically elected so in practice this makes sweden completely democratic yes. Also taking money from people and redistributing it is a socialist idea.
@@Ossian-dr1vr It doesn't matter, Sweden neither by declaration nor by description is even close to Socialist. It's a fairy tail commies tell stupid people so they'll willfully except the most destructive form of government we've ever seen. Sweden isn't socialist, and those claiming it is also tend to push ideas not even remotely close to Sweden.
Socialism hasn't worked, doesn't work, nor will it ever work, period. And anyone thinking you can tax the rich 50%+ to pay for all their empty promises is an idiot.
It actually makes me roll my eyes whenever people say “Scandanvia is socialist and that’s why we need it”
1.) Scandinavia isn’t socialist! I remember reading how in the 70’s Sweden tries doing something similar and it failed and people are unhappy then they went to an open market and things went smoothly. And the prime ministers and even the people keep screaming “WE’RE NOT SOCIALIST!” But Americans think if you have Universal Healthcare and Free Education that means socialism. These people just want a Capitalist economy but want the government to pay them to sit around and pay for everything (Welfare for the rich I like to call it).
2.) America is not Scandinavia! I seriously hate how leftist want to bring in Swedish, Finnish or Danish politics, way of life and so much but when you ask them “Why don’t you move these?” They’ll scream “ITS TOO EXPENSIVE!!” If we want to fix our country, we have to fix it the AMERICAN way. Capitalism, Liberty, Freedom and so on. If they want socialism then move to a socialist country.
@Mecoracon Lola So...what you're saying is that Americans live the ultimate consumerist lifestyle, characterised by consumption of massively unsustainable quantities of finite resources, made possible by outsourcing production to the rest of the world and consuming the combined resources of many, many poorer countries? And you look down on other countries that live closer to within their means, because those plebs don't have the benefit of global hegemony allowing them to consume way beyond sustainable limits at the expense of other countries?
Or is it moreso that you've never questioned why Americans are able to consume such massive quantities at such ridiculously low prices? Maybe you're not familiar with the concept of externalities in economic theory, and you don't realise that Americans are externalising the true cost of their consumption to the rest of the world in order to maintain stupidly low prices for themselves? Perhaps you don't realise that America's rate of consumption isn't sustainable even at current levels, and the American model of consumerist Capitalism pushed onto the rest of the world is the primary factor driving resource depletion and ecological destruction?
I'm no Socialist, but I also don't idolise the delusional free-market ideology Americans have been so deeply brainwashed with for decades. I'm concerned about the future of our species, which is faced with numerous challenges that America has accelerated precipitously. But I suppose it's true what they say - ignorance really is bliss, right?
Scandinavia is socialist in the same way Nazi Germany was. They control everything businesses do through legislation and tax them as much as possible. That is why our industry moved to Asia.
Johan Norberg isn't a very good source for unbiased information though. Like completely ignoring the fact that we have a progressive government income tax.
How is that, i would like to know please
@@jvidalmora Johan is on the fringe of economic politics in Sweden and tend to play fast and loose with facts to prove his points. As mentioned, completely ignoring the progressive income tax. There was something about "privatization" of pensions as well right? It amounts to about 10% of the pension capital, the rest is a normal government pension. Minimum wages were mentioned as well I think. There is now law governing those as it is not needed due to very strong unions (google "toys r us sweden union"). Schools were mentioned I think, and that has been an utter catastrophe with Sweden dropping fast in PISA comparisons. I don't remember what else was brought up in the video, but I don't want to watch it again as it was just garbage.
@@MikaelGullberg thank u so much! Are u from there? I’m from Peru
So? That doesn’t make you socialist at all.
@@copperdog No? Social democratic though. And Americans tend to use democratic socialist and social democratic interchangeably, even if that is incorrect. So I dant know what you are trying to say.
This video needs way more views. Politicians depend on the laziness of voters to not fact check their lies.
Well then, fact that all these kids want everything free so they don't have to work, should guarantee that they won't be fact checking anything.
Everyone they’re interviewing are liberal economists, educators etc, therefore their interpretation and their answers to the questions are “liberal answers “. Sweden are the most liberal country in the world, here conservative is the worst thing you can call someone... This affects everything, even the economy. The question is why are they interviewing these particular people and what is the agenda of this RUclips channel??? This clip is a message, not a search for the truth!!! All the interviewers are from liberal think tanks or are liberal “believers”, not at all know in Sweden. It’s like listening to communist telling you about America, its only a point of view not the reality
Well, so does this video. I live in Sweden, and everyone in this video that is interviewed is basically our version of Republicans. Ofc they are gonna say it's a crap system, they want it removed.
This video is so skewed towards a capitalist agenda that it’s basically right-wing propaganda.
Patrik Lindell thank you, I knew there was more to the story.
Q. How many times do you try something that FAILS every time?
A. If you’re a Democrat, ENDLESSLY... because “THIS TIME, socialism is GONNA WORK!”
Because when I'M in charge and have all the power it will be different. I'll be benevolent". Right.
My neighbor is a retired History teacher, and he has a Bernie sticker on his car.
Jim R, Bernie certainly has rose colored glasses. He’s sees BEYOND Communist oppression, BEYOND his beloved Soviet Union’s food shortages. When he was asked about “food lines” in the USSR, he replied, “But you have to admire that they were lining the poor up to be fed.” Then you point out to Bernie that they were standing in line HOPING that there would be food for them!
The running joke became, Bernie could find the positive side of Adolf Hitler.. “But you have to admire Hitler’s highway system.”
@@robj7481 I mean, the US now has massive food lines because our handling of Coronavirus has been so poor. I hope that you have the same words for Donald Trump and Capitalism.
In Sweden Capitalism Works Great 👍
up until recently, Sweden was a mono-culture. That has a lot to do with their ability to try new things and change then when required. Oh and they don't have the devil running their financial system. That helps too.
Bernie: "And Im not talking about Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea"
Also Bernie: "You know Fidel Castro made a great literacy program"
Bernie used to love Venezuela before Venezuela collapsed.
He's a fair weather socialist.
I'm totally okay with the literacy comments because he's 100% correct that Castro did that. Just because you hate someone doesn't mean you can deny reality. Castro did indeed do that so you have to admit it.
@@jasondashney
His bias is found in what he chooses to point out and what he chooses to ignore.
If Bernie talked about the literacy program as well as the murder and the oppression and the poverty he'd have some integrity. It's impossible to take him seriously when he constantly ignores the horrors of communism.
Jason Dashney Yeah. The killers from slasher films are great because they picked up hitch hikers who would otherwise be standing there in harsh weather.
Castro want people to be able to read so they could read his governments propaganda.
Fun fact:
2017 Corporate Tax
US: 38.9%
Sweden: 22%
UK (where Pewds moved): 19%
Fun fact, knowing what a 50% decrease in corporate taxation coupled with endlessly increased spending will do, e.g. massive debt consumption until the end of time.
This video needs to be shared far and wide.
Sweden does not only have mediocre universities. Karoliska Institute is ranked #5 in the world for medicine, and KTH is ranked #17 in the world for electric engineering and computer science
Awesome work! Every Bernie/AOC progressive should see this information. You folks do a lot of high quality production, I am sad to see it not getting more recognition. I will do what little I can, keep up the great work.
I remember the 70's in Sweden.
My mom payed 102% of her income in taxes, while my dad payed 0% due to deductions of interest payments.
At the end of the day inflation paid off the loans for him 🤣
You can have our socialism.
We don't want it in 🇸🇪
A socialist is just a capitalist without any capital.
In the 70 not today
question: did they get divorce coz of this?
Sweden have realy good economy also most live in here to ...
@@bermudarailway So uhh....they are just an ist?
Being swedish it always annoys me when americans say they wanna be like us. The political debate in America is terribly ridden with clickbait, it's missing the deep dive into many of the ideas that are being put forth. Thanks for this video!
This was not what I was expecting and it made me love your channel more! ♥️ Thanks for the informative, entertaining and family friendly content! 🙏🏻
I get it now. Socialist = bad, democratic socialist = good. Just like fascism = bad but democratic fascism = good?. The idea that the majority being in favor makes it good is silly.
You dont get it at all. Democratic socialism is a form of government regulation over markets. The markets themselves are still capitalist, but the profits are democratically assigned for social programs through taxation. Actual socialism is when the government controls the economy completely. There is no taxation because the profits are societies profits, not individuals profits, and the things that are produced are distributed across society according to need rather than according to individual purchasing power.
@@feelingveryattackedrn5750 So why would anyone work?
@@stephenchase6611 What? That question has nothing to do with what I just said. Im just explaining the differences between socialism and democratic socialism, not saying what works and what doesnt.
@@feelingveryattackedrn5750 I've just been working too hard which one won't I have to work that's the one I want.😅😀
Stephen Chase aw lol. Well most countries in Europe have a better work-life balance and shorter work week than the US. People in Sweden make more in 40 hours work than people in the US make in 60 hours work
Lmao I freaking love you guys, your content seems super down to earth but you still got me with the title 😂
And you forget one big problem : immigration.
Exactly. Their relatively isolated system doesn't have the burden of a huge bordering country that will use open borders to drain tax payer based "free education" or "free health care" that Bernie wants to hand out. It's the elephant in the room "progressives" conveniently ignore. If you dare to bring it up, you are a racist.
@@beamreach7015 In Europe, in Sweden and other countries, we also have serious immigration problems. We have often Muslim migrants who bring their customs with them.
@HKZ P Yeah, I think he means all those doctors and engineers we are importing from Africa :)
@@epinoke4168 The EU has said they are going to import 50 million more migrants before 2050. It is like they are provoking a war. We can't feed and house all these people and we don't want their disgusting culture/religions either.
@@Willy_Tepes
Import is not necessary, they come on their own. Only those who survive the dangers of travel.
Excellent production - thank you. Sharing this immediately. Hopefully the people who need to see this will watch
The only problem is that this doesn't represent Sweden. Don't spread fake news dude. Do some research on your own.
@@Hulkoviusone Specifically which parts of the video were inaccurate?
@@traviswolf most of it actually. Pretty obvious to someone like me who's been living here for 30+ years that this video has an right wing agenda.
I almost didn't watch this video because of the title. I'm glad I decided to take the risk and watch it! Great video!
Got to send this to my Bernie bros... No, seriously I have two brothers that are Bernie fans.
Their system seems reasonable, if you remove the issue with grenade attacks, and fear women have of going out at night in some areas.
Life is give and take. Sometimes it’s your dignity and self worth....or maybe a limb.
I would say (as a woman) that women in general have a fear of going out at night with no one around.
@@micah4460 ...specially in areas with many muslim immigrants.
That's why concealed carry is also women's rights....
@@Willy_Tepes I already replied but something happened but I'll try again. It depends on the morals the Muslim has. Which varies individual to individual. Most people are assaulted and murdered by people that have the same ethnicity as them. At least in the states.
It's crazy to think we get better investigative reporting from COMEDY channels on RUclips than from ANY major news network. Thanks WTI for the truth!
This video isn't 100% truthful.
@@latjolajban81 I'm not sure any news is 100% truthful, but this video appears to be at least looking for and communicating the truth. Do tell how it could be more accurate.
@@JohnsonJLB
First, he is interviewing libertarians. That's like asking a muslim on the virtues of the christian crusade on Jerusalem and the middle east. Probably not gonna be very positive. First guy (from the Cato institute - a libertarian think tank) says Sweden was very rich in the 70's but then squandered it on social democratic policies in the 70's. Sweden was run uninterrupted by the social democratic party from the 1930's until the 1990's. The riches accumulated up until the 70's was accumulated under social democracy. To say that social democracy was a failed experiment because of some stupid policies in the 70's is disingenuos at best. Sweden is still rather social democratic. Not as much as it once was, but still very much a welfare state compared to most countries. There are other misleading narratives as well. But oh well.
@@latjolajban81 Actually, I still think the video is accurate here. A social democracy is different than democratic socialism. Although, it appears we're just switching the words and the two should be the same that doesn't appear to be the case when doing a quick google search. So when the commentator say's that democratic socialism failed I believe he is still correct. One big difference between the two is that democratic socialism is less free trade, and less capitalistic. Whereas a social democracy is more free trade and capitalistic. So, yes the democratic socialist policies put into place were reversed because they failed. Why they failed? It could have been timing and it could have been those policies are just unsustainable. I tend to agree with the later. Sweden may have more welfare programs than the US, but it is also more free trade than the US. While this video doesn't get into the gritty details like it could I still think it represents truth well.
@@JohnsonJLB
I'm not talking semantics with social democracy/democratic socialism. The guy says at some point that Sweden was democratic socialist. That's not true. Sweden was never democratic socialist (which is actually socialist - social democratic is not actually socialist). The guy actually says social democracy is a failed experiment in Sweden because of social democratic policies in the 70's. It was never a failed experiment. Sweden ALWAYS had social democracy (not democratic socialism) from the 1930's onward. Sweden accumulated it's riches under social democracy. The guy is NOT correct. It's like looking at 2008 or the great depression and saying what a failed experiment capitalism is and leaving out all the years with good economic growth and stability.
The first ingredient you need for Swedens standard of living/society/culture is SWEDISH PEOPLE.
Its laughable listening to people talk about importing Euro style democratic socialism whilst their country is swamped with third worlders from dictatorships
A comedian doing REAL Journalism...Love it...Great job
Just to set the record straight in case it was unclear in the video, most of us Swedes do actually like having state funded health care and education etc., most of us would NOT like to live in a country like the United States.
That's another example of where Swedes differ with so many around the world.
How about 25 days payed vacation every year? No not a socialist country :)
@@Tommy-cl3im THERE IS NOTHING FREE
@@letsgetfluffy3138 Nope there is not, which make it even more important to have state funded health care, education etc. Don't you agree ;)
@@Tommy-cl3im The States money comes from taxes, you know that right?
Sweden gave up on socialism ages ago. They even repealed a min wage
They did? When?
@@alifmuhammadchicago Ages ago when they stoped being socialist. Like the 90s. I moved there in the early 2000s and it was already gone. It really helped the poor get money. Such a good move
Dr.Ehrfurchtgebietend Yes they removed the minimum wage but they were able to do so because they have very strong unionization
Dr.Ehrfurchtgebietend someone else said it above but I’ll say it again for good measure. Sweden and countries in the nordic areas don’t need to institute federal minimum wages because all of their wages are set through collective bargaining. That is why they have a much stronger middle class than the US does.
@@feelingveryattackedrn5750 Not all their wages. More than the US for sure but its only like 80%. When I worked there I negotiated my own wage
Absolutely stunning. Truth is a powerful thing.
Unbelievable you only have 174k subs. High quality stuff.
I was lied to. This is great info. Thanks!
@HKZ P So a link to a political party is supposed to support your point?
@HKZ P Ah! I see, the Government is only socialist in name.
@HKZ P Did you watch the video?
So basically, Sweden is a self proclaimed capitalist country with a socialist social policy? Sounds pretty European to me
Its a mixed system.
Yo Bernie Bros, you listenin'? I sure hope so, because my gerbil now knows more about Swedish economic history than you do....
We all know about this history. That's what's so stupid about this whole debate. Sanders wants to model his changes to our system after Sweden. Whether you call their system socialist or not doesn't change what's being proposed.
@Rio:
a) If Bernie ACTUALLY wants to model the U.S. after Sweden then he's very capitalistic in many ways. He should SAY this explicitly and in addition explain why he's (allegedly) changed his mind 150 degrees from what he earlier believed.
b) The debate isn't stupid because Bernie is a life-long Communist, and anything he really proposes should be understood in line with his lifelong commitment to totalitarian economic systems. Bernie has never ever shown any understanding of the fundamental weaknesses of a coercive society; to the contrary, he's been a fervent proponent of societal violence throughout his whole failed and pathetic life.
@@scarletpimpernel230 Eh, seems like blatant hyperbole. He's not really proposing socialism, more like robust changes to the safety net and tax code.
@Rio: No, you're showing your ignorance: no one who actually knows Bernie and his history of boot-licking support for totalitarian regimes for close to a half-century would call it hyperbole.
A typical example: confiscating the wealth of billionaires is right from the hard-core Commie playbook, a la his heroes Chavez and Castro. Pure totalitarian violence-not changes in 'the safety net'.
Bernie, September 2019: ""There should be no billionaires. We are going to tax their extreme wealth and invest in working people."
Awesome report, just a quick caveat with college debt. The issue in Sweden is the fact that colleges are not located all over the country, they are in the main cities so most students have to travel and live in other cities to go to college. There are 31 public universities in Sweden vs 1,626 public colleges the United States. If the United States could have a more level education system in college then the smaller schools that are already in the smaller cities could sustain a larger student group while being free to the students. The United States could avoid the issue that Sweden has because they have more colleges per capita than Sweden. Mostly everything else was spot on...
I shared this on Facebook with a misleading intro. "I'm starting to question whether Swedish socialism is the way to go? Check out these 5 reasons we should follow that model.". Hopefully my leftist friends will see it, but most likely when they get to the first point being debunked, they'll stop watching. It's all about hating Trump and not actual reason and logic.
how did it go? Any update?
Everyone they’re interviewing are liberal economists, educators etc, therefore their interpretation and their answers to the questions are “liberal answers “. Sweden are the most liberal country in the world, here conservative is the worst thing you can call someone... This affects everything, even the economy. The question is why are they interviewing these particular people and what is the agenda of this RUclips channel??? This clip is a message, not a search for the truth!!! All the interviewers are from liberal think tanks or are liberal “believers”, not at all know in Sweden. It’s like listening to communist telling you about America, its only a point of view not the reality
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About student loans: I have been studying in Sweden for 4,5 years and currently have a debt of 32k, with an interest at only 0.16%. It seems like this is less than the cost of one year's study in the US (for a public four-year college degree including housing). This is a loan you can take to be able to move away from home and feed yourself without working part time, which enables everyone to study regardless of you economical background. On top of this we are all given roughly 350 dollars a month for studying, with additions to that if you have kids. So yes, most of us have student debt, but you need to consider WHY we do and I'm curious as to why they didn't even bother to explain this in the video.
Exactly this. If you choose to study while living with your parents, then you wouldn't have any student debt (unless you choose to take the loan regardless).
I understand politicians are not perfect. What I don't understand is how there were no repercussions against politicizns such as Sanders after the way he said those misleading claims about Sweden
When your average Swede economist is also your average American model....
HAHA
This video has very strong right wing bias, I recommend reading some of the comments from swedish people for a more nuanced perspective
@cum2 Besiktas plz well you are a fucking dumbass if you think that. How much indepth do you think the american people go into when they vote. If they would go indepth there wouldn't be Joe biden vs Donald Trump, Both of them would be gone if people would just open their eyes
@@Feroce but he was talking about swedish politics and i took american politics as an example
"But Sweden is not socialist"
Ok, then give us whatever they have.
"No, that's socialism!"
That meme only works on people who don't know what socialism means.
@@WeTheInternetTV Can you explain why that meme doesn't work? It seems very relevant. It starts with the left saying give me Sweden's democratic socialism. Then you have made this video saying Sweden isn't a socialist country. Now, I'm asking you. Why can't we imitate Swedish policies?
@@michaelpurcell487 Let's not pretend that Swedish policies are what the left want.
@@michaelpurcell487 every country in Europe is socialistic 🙂 But as capitalistic ground. Most people seems to think thats its either capitalism or socialism, but socialism is a form of capitalism!
@@Vaylash I mean, if your definition of "the left" is modern American democrats then that's exactly what they want. In fact, most don't even go that far
Better journalism than all the major networks allow these day! Love it!
Everyone seems to overlook a “little” detail about Sweden (and the rest of Scandinavia), they have very small populations made up of mostly “cousins” who are very homogeneous.
True. It is much easier to implement a collectivist type of government where everyone thinks alike and wants the same things.
There is more people living in NY than in whole sweden. There is only 10 mil swedes and 3-4 mil are immigrants that have nothing to do with sweden.
Not for long!
That's not really the case in Scandinavia anymore. Not at all.
@@wojtekczemas9668 wdym have nothing to do with sweden? They have come here to search asylum, illegal or legal idc, they are human beings needing help. They have everything to do with sweden, we grant their asylum, they can build their lives here, contribute to the society, put food in their children belly - something not everyone was able to before
I wrote this before on other videos but it never gets old (unfortunately): this channel deserves millions of views and subscribers.
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@@TheLouPerez Cool, I'm going to check it out.
"Learn from Norway". I hear this all the time....by anti oil people. Do these people do even a modicum of research as to how Norway got rich?
Get some oil? ;)
There is basically nothing in Norway besides oil. No industries, no innovation. Nothing. If you remove oil, they are basically back in 1960 with the fishing industry as the financial, platform.
Norway did it great. But they wouldn´t without the oil 😂
@@Jonsson474 Norway sholud use its oil fund to develop molten salt thorium reactors. Then they can sit back and relax for the next 100+ years.
Yeah, socialism is easy if your country is stinking rich and have a stable income (for now...).
I'm an average Joe living in a small town in Sweden. We bought our 2-room apartment of 62m2 for 4.000$, and our monthly charge was 220$ (split on two, 110$ each/month). I work in the same town, earning about 2100$ net after tax each month, which has enabled me to save quite a bunch of money. And still not having to worry about cost of healthcare and studies. Instead, having put aside enough capital to travel the world (which I've done). And yes, if you call taxes going to actual good things Socialism? Sure.
We're not complaining.
If you call taxes going to "actual good things Socialism" then you don't know what socialism is.
So just to clarify things as a swede. University in sweden is free. The government even pays around 300$ a month to each student enrolled, debt free, to buy litterature and such. The debt comes from necessities such as food, housing, transportation and clothing. I know students who live at their parents for free and takes the loan (which is almost rent free, 0,16%) and invests it all, or save it to get a bigger loan from a bank past studies in order to buy a house - roughly 57 000$ after 5 years of study.
It's not free since you pay taxes, but you can move to an other country and pay taxes there when you got your degree if you dont like the swedish taxes.
On an other note: What makes sweden great is not socialism, it's workers rights, human rights and childrens rights. We care for people who NEEDS it, not for who wants it.
Fun fact: Sweden is rapidly shutting down nuclear plants while the need for electricity increases.
Do you have a source for that? I only found an article about 1 reactor.
Starting with that 1. The second is scheduled to shut down too and the left is pushing hard to shit down the rest as well without an actual replacement.
Audam they will probably end up like Germany and rely on Russia.
I wonder if glaciers could generate electricity?
@@user-mp3eq6ir5b Glaciers do generate electricity; their melt is that water power that Sweden has a lot of.
Socialist Bernie:" We will tax the millionaire and billionaire".
Socialist millionaire Bernie:" We will tax the billionaire."
Hypocrite.
Socialist:" Rules for the thee not for me".
I just watched a Michael Moore video where Piers Morgan called him out for being in the 1% and MM would not admit it. He insisted he's not. He's worth tens of millions. That's CLEARLY in the 1%. Globally probably the 0.000005%
ANIME Navit he’s worth 2 million in total, goof... Not a lot of money when compared to literally any other politician or person of influence.
@@skirk4123 It's still easily one of the richest people on the planet
LovesToSpooge true, but not by American standards. He’s barely even upper class.
Sweden not Tax Capital in Bank that is 0%, tax do say Rich have a Tax Paradise in Sweden and they know it are why quiet about it so many Hide Money in Swedish Banks so Be tax-free.
So Sweden do not Tax Rich people.....
9:42 I like it how Norberg emphasizes on his words "focus" and "attention" while making his point and Lou immediately loses his focus to a well dressed cat😂
I'm disappointed that you guys didn't interview Angry Foreigner on Sweden's disastrous migration system.
Maybe that will be in the next video. Yes, that should be a focus as well.
For those who want to be further Educated on Socialism or "Democratic Socialism", *read Rand Paul's new book on the subject,* which also goes into some of the "Scandinavian" claims.
Thank you so much for making this. We need more facts and less opinions
The nation is not officially socialist, but the Social Democrats did wonderful socialistic things for the economy. Socialism is not necessarily government control of the economy, but the fact remain that it has a single payer system. Social Democrats came into power in 1932, and their socialistic reforms made Sweden one of the early nations to get out of the great depression. Sweden's free medical care, 90% unionization of the workforce, free college, robust welfare state is what we should have here. It is ironically true that socialism in Sweden still have it so that they are still more free market than the USA.
Thanks this allows helps me as evidence whenever I hear this policy.
Awesome video!!
AOC: "My brand of socialism is just like what we see in the U.K. ..."
Me: "WTF? Does she know what countries are in the U.K.?"
Remember she graduated from Boston University and majored in international relations and economics. graduating cum Laude in 2011. Let that sink in bud.
@@raouljoseph1411 Be honest, in your high school were the students with the highest marks the smartest, most intelligent or were they they ones who simply studied the most? There's a reason they say "The A students work for the C students and the B students work for the government".
@@jasondashney I can't argue against your statement because I have seen that results. Yep the average kid is now the president of grandpa company and the employees were the smartest kids in school, are now working under him. Seeing their frustrations and hatred is pathetic.
@@raouljoseph1411 yet never knew what a garbage disposal was until age 29.😓
Raoul Joseph She's a bartender and actress.
I love this channel, subbed for keeping the facts strong.
The only problem is that this doesn't represent Sweden. Don't spread fake news dude. Do some research on your own.
Excellent video!! I’m from Sweden and I have spent my life observing these strengths and mistakes of Sweden’s socialism.
And yes, we keep making new mistakes. At the same time we evade many of the problems that exist in the US.
I believe that US has a lot to learn from Sweden.
This was absolutely FANTASTIC!
Next time: interview other people than liberals and capitalists, i'm talking about Johan Norberg and Andreas Bergh, both of them are liberals(right-wing in sweden)
That last comment is gold. Each country is different and have their own set of problems. You can't copy-paste solutions from another country that is completely different. Each country arrives to a better place thru mistakes they made.
Transparency in decision making and open discussion of societal problems go a long way when finding those individual solutions for each country IMO.
Seeing some comments here essentially saying: Don't accept the truth from this guy because he's right-leaning, but continue to believe/overlook the lies when they come from the left.
This is the most complete assessment of the reality of the Swiss governmental model. It's appalling that any presidential candidate would make the call to be 'like' Sweden without a clue. Well, I didn't have a clue (though not sold on the liberal rhetoric) and am now informed on the subject. Thank you!
Sweden is not Switzerland.
I hope as many people as possible will forward this great piece of reality to Bernie, Bernie's supporters, AOC and her minions! Please send this to as many people as possible. This is the first time I've seen this comedian, great clips, and of course, great interviews with the Swedish professionals! Thank you.
pleasantly surprised: glad I clicked on this despite the focked up title.
Sadly it gave you wrong information