The submarine designers correctly calculated the displacement and balance but they did not account for the effects of a forward concentration of revolutionary fervor; hence the tendency of the bow to rise up.
Good to hear about the Soviet observers on INS Chakra taking prompt action to save the boat. We hear a lot of horror stories about incompetence in the Soviet Navy so it's nice when there's a story where a crew did their job well and saved everyone.
LOL “Skeletons in a trash can rolling down a hill noisy”… OMG I’m dying. Well done. You should do a video showing timelines of Soviet sub construction to show the numbers each year subs are getting pumped out. To illustrate the volume of subs being produced. I’m sure there’s a story there.
@@katarishigusimokirochepona6611Launching a weapon which could vaporize midtown Manhattan, causing terminal 3rd degree burns out to Queens and the Bronx from the off the eastern tip of Long Beach (Same distance to Stanford CT) or closer is absolutely insane. Granted, any use of todays atomic arsenal is madness, but that is basically stabbing distance. Not that it'd matter, as you'd likely be able to scoot before anyone (if they ever would) bother to look. In such a case, your best bet would be to scuttle with all hands and save everyone the trouble, but possibly you might be able to scavenge enough down in Australia or Argentina to survive a couple years of nuclear winter before the sub runs out of spare parts. As a Antiship missile of the 70s, 30 miles is decent, if unsubtle. The issue with playing Schrodinger's nuke is that if a platform is nuclear capable, it can be assumed the nuclear variant is being employed, which could precipitate quite the misunderstanding.
I love these videos! For K429 remember this is in prelude to Albe Archer 83. Fleet-Ex 83-1 was occurring in the North Pacific, designed to provoke amd test Soviet Reaction. The "all boats to sea" was part of the Soviet operation "RYaN", as Andropov thought these large exercises were a prelude to war.
Oleg Yerofeyev was flottila's staff commander. Not full admiral. He continued to command flotilla til 1987. Was transferred to Northern Fleet flotilla in 1987. Commanded Northern Fleet between 1992 and 1999. Nothing happened to the dude. In 2002 he went to court after some book author blamed him for K-429 and K-278 disasters and he won. Sub commander was Nikolay Suvorov. Not Alexey Gusev. Gusev was divisional staff commander. Gusev's "captain" refers to his military rank. Both Suvorov and Gusev were 1st rank captains at the time of event. Dude was only counter admiral at the time of events. single star. "Rear admiral" in US classification. Got other two stars only in 1992. Suvorov got 10 years in prison. Gusev continued to serve Pacific fleet til 1992.
Cant wait to watch this Aaron! Im also hoping to sign up to your patreon very soon so I can have access to tons of the other ones you've been doing as im really enjoying watching them all! Cheers form the UK, wishing you all the best.
@@katarishigusimokirochepona6611Exactly, the only thing worse than having incompetent leadership is letting everyone know the're incompetent by punishing them.
They may be overweight, underpowered, and slow, but they certainly met the "mass production" goal and had surprisingly few major issues, so I guess that's a successful program.
"They certainly met the 'mass production' goal" is something you can say about almost anything Soviet made from waffle irons to submarines, and trust me I would know this since I own a soviet waffle iron.
We own that waffle iron, kulak! Seize the means of breakfast production! *waffles will now be made from tears and old newspapers, used motor oil will be used as syrup.
About the sinking of K-429: While the Captain and a Compartment Chief where punished with years in prison, Admiral Yerofeev (Erofeyev ?), who ordered the boat to sea despite its condition, was later promoted to Commander of the Northern Fleet. ...
I detected a sub around Adack Alaska in 81. Had it for three hours then lost it. It was noisy. We sent out our helo and dropped bouys but couldn’t find it. Could have been her. Cold War stuff. Our subs were 637 class then.
Would love to hear about it, and contrast it to how we send are nuke waist to a old salt mine to let the salt encase it....... From what I under stand...
You report most of these boats did one deployment per year. With a crew of 100 and this being a small submarine, I'm thinking food is gone in 60 days. So, the rest of the year, 10 months, was spent tied to the dock or maybe participating in short training exercises (home for the holidays). This seems like a lot of inactivity to me. How does this compare with the use of American submarines?
17:06 "You can't keep food out in the open, like you would if you were at the far northern or southern latitudes..." What do you mean: "out in the open"? Isn't it a sub? :) Does that mean that it was freaking cold like in a refrigerator in the whole sub, if it were in the north sea? Did sailors freeze their buts off??? Or were there most of the compartments heated, and only a few weren't, like the food storage room? Gees... submarine life sure is weird!
did the soviet saliors get any stop at any ports on the way? i was in the australian navy and i know our subs didnt get that many stops but they might get to go into japan or hawaii once a trip. at the NZ 75th fleet aniversary there was a soviet trawler covered in aerials that came into port when all the visiting warships were in. i was just wondering about the submariners. i think you said there was one that patrolled near vietnam and one that transited the indian ocean to get to the pacific. i was thinking a stop in india or vietnam for a soviet sailor would have been like visiting a different world especially in the 80's.
52:30 @SubBrief It’s possible that he didn’t intentionally or unintentionally overdose. I don’t know if it can happen by the next morning, but alcohol withdrawal can routinely be fatal. He may have taken sleeping pills to attempt to sleep through the DTs, but passed away from the sudden alcohol withdrawal. They might not have known that back in the 70s, but even if they did, attributing the death to the ingestion of sleeping pills would prevent the captain and political officer from feeling responsible for his death.
After they fired the weapons, were the tubes pumped/blown dry? I would think that making the bow even lighter (w/o missile mass) and then blowing it dry would make it hell to control...
It would seem to me that the offset screw configuration would be inefficient. The trailing blade would be in the low pressure, cavitation zone of the leading blade. Being in the low pressure zone would adversely affect the performance of the trailing blade. I’m not a hydrological engineer, I was in aviation my entire career, so I could be completely out to lunch.
I really like your Sub Brief videos, i think a saw most, from the Soviet subs. Really interesting videos. When the full World watches the Ukranian-Russian war, China expanded his domain. I heard today the news, that China signed a defence pact with Solomon Islands. Can you do a video from this? If someone did't know, Solomon Islands is a nation north-east from Australia. It has more than 900 islands, Guadalcanal is there to.
@@jonathanbair523 ah well he's done two other US subs the Nurwin and the Narwal? The Triton was also a one off sub a radar picket and the only twin reactor...
I don't know how the USSR did things but modern Russia holds a big exercise every year, alternating between the North, South, East and West cardinal directions each time to involve different military districts. As Pete said above, Zapad is West so any time you hear of a Zapad exercise it's going to be happening in the west of the country. North Atlantic could be included depending on the wargame.
oh oh oh 50:00 K320 *I* knoe why it was built so fast.... that radiation leak mutated those 7 peeps into SUPERSUBWORKERS ????? ummmmm WELD with their MIND???? snikker sorry it was funny in my head so I am sharing to the 'verse lol US NAVY 84 - 88 USS OKINAWA LPH3 ..... world cruise 87 :) *I* wuz there hahaha lol back then... lol well yea...
So on Charlie you said they changed the name to keep the boat off the list of active war ships to lower the numbers. But then you go on to say that they rename them to inflate the numbers?
Random question to my fellow Subsexuals? idk How would a small reactor generating electrical energy, powering battery packs, propelling electric propulsion work? My crazy thought process, minimise energy loss through mechanical energy, and hopefully (in my head) have a more silent running submarine as potentially you could fully seal up the small reactor/turbine in heavily soundproof section, with only electrical energy leaving it? Am I crazy, obviously my thoughts have faults but would this not be possible, benefit of diesel/electric stealth with the power and endurance of nuke-boat.
They're trying to do this kind of thing for land nuclear capacity at the moment. Building sealed micro reactors that are about the size that'll fit in the back of a lwb pickup - dodge 3500/W300 or modern analogue. Its a really bad idea for a lot of reasons but civilian nuclear engineers contracting to government have a form of artificial stupidity.
Just listening to this caricature of sea duty, we should have NO doubt Russia will continue to give tanks, bmp's, and radar systems to my friends in the Ukraine. I have little doubt that had the first month in the Ukraine happened in America, our men would have re-done the entire command structure of my army, my airforce, my defensive components such as air control, ground replenishment, navy positioning, and overall command structure changes. Only one thing is done, that is to place in overall command a shithead commander willing to blow up places of domicile of civilians. Somehow care for citizens is totally lacking and speaks of inhuman conditions in the old Soviet Onion. A batch of ner-do-wells all stuck ignomously together. What could go wrong in the Donetsk and Luhanse murderous condition coming up. I predict a failure so great Putin might consider tactical nukes as an address issue. Let us pray not.
The submarine designers correctly calculated the displacement and balance but they did not account for the effects of a forward concentration of revolutionary fervor; hence the tendency of the bow to rise up.
Well done.
Plus the giant balls of lead of the guys in the back who worked the reactor.
😂😂😂
@@antonnurwald5700 😂 You're absolutely right. Negative buoyancy due to metallic testicular gigantism is a persistent problem in the silent service.
Good to hear about the Soviet observers on INS Chakra taking prompt action to save the boat. We hear a lot of horror stories about incompetence in the Soviet Navy so it's nice when there's a story where a crew did their job well and saved everyone.
Yes it is shocking to hear the Soviets got to save the boat.
LOL “Skeletons in a trash can rolling down a hill noisy”… OMG I’m dying. Well done. You should do a video showing timelines of Soviet sub construction to show the numbers each year subs are getting pumped out. To illustrate the volume of subs being produced. I’m sure there’s a story there.
200kt nuclear warhead on a missile with a range of 30k is nuts
Like, too little or too much? To my untrained ear, it sounds like crazy range for an SLBM but normal for an ICBM...
@@katarishigusimokirochepona6611Launching a weapon which could vaporize midtown Manhattan, causing terminal 3rd degree burns out to Queens and the Bronx from the off the eastern tip of Long Beach (Same distance to Stanford CT) or closer is absolutely insane. Granted, any use of todays atomic arsenal is madness, but that is basically stabbing distance. Not that it'd matter, as you'd likely be able to scoot before anyone (if they ever would) bother to look. In such a case, your best bet would be to scuttle with all hands and save everyone the trouble, but possibly you might be able to scavenge enough down in Australia or Argentina to survive a couple years of nuclear winter before the sub runs out of spare parts. As a Antiship missile of the 70s, 30 miles is decent, if unsubtle. The issue with playing Schrodinger's nuke is that if a platform is nuclear capable, it can be assumed the nuclear variant is being employed, which could precipitate quite the misunderstanding.
Thanks for the info Jive!👍👍
I love these videos! For K429 remember this is in prelude to Albe Archer 83. Fleet-Ex 83-1 was occurring in the North Pacific, designed to provoke amd test Soviet Reaction. The "all boats to sea" was part of the Soviet operation "RYaN", as Andropov thought these large exercises were a prelude to war.
Oleg Yerofeyev was flottila's staff commander. Not full admiral. He continued to command flotilla til 1987. Was transferred to Northern Fleet flotilla in 1987. Commanded Northern Fleet between 1992 and 1999. Nothing happened to the dude. In 2002 he went to court after some book author blamed him for K-429 and K-278 disasters and he won.
Sub commander was Nikolay Suvorov. Not Alexey Gusev. Gusev was divisional staff commander. Gusev's "captain" refers to his military rank. Both Suvorov and Gusev were 1st rank captains at the time of event.
Dude was only counter admiral at the time of events. single star. "Rear admiral" in US classification. Got other two stars only in 1992.
Suvorov got 10 years in prison.
Gusev continued to serve Pacific fleet til 1992.
Love your sub briefs. Thank you for all your work!
Yay! It's the Charlie!! Thank you Sub Brief!!!
Cant wait to watch this Aaron! Im also hoping to sign up to your patreon very soon so I can have access to tons of the other ones you've been doing as im really enjoying watching them all! Cheers form the UK, wishing you all the best.
I was waiting for this video for very long time. Thank you sir thank you very much 🙏
Nice. I have been looking forward to this one.
Excellent work as always Aaron!
I appreciate that
Oh hell yeah can't wait to hit the couch and watch this 👍👍👍
It's interesting to note that after the accident on K-429, Admiral Yerofeev was actually promoted to CIC of Northern Fleet.
Really.
Lol sounds like they promoted him to get him out of the way...
@@katarishigusimokirochepona6611Exactly, the only thing worse than having incompetent leadership is letting everyone know the're incompetent by punishing them.
They may be overweight, underpowered, and slow, but they certainly met the "mass production" goal and had surprisingly few major issues, so I guess that's a successful program.
"They certainly met the 'mass production' goal" is something you can say about almost anything Soviet made from waffle irons to submarines, and trust me I would know this since I own a soviet waffle iron.
We own that waffle iron, kulak! Seize the means of breakfast production!
*waffles will now be made from tears and old newspapers, used motor oil will be used as syrup.
@@rooseveltbrentwood9654 used motor oil 😂😂😂
About the sinking of K-429:
While the Captain and a Compartment Chief where punished with years in prison,
Admiral Yerofeev (Erofeyev ?), who ordered the boat to sea despite its condition,
was later promoted to Commander of the Northern Fleet. ...
Thanks for this, very interesting!
Looking forward to Charlie 2😄
13:46 "At night". Polar night was still strong at march. There was almost no difference.
Dang it, at work. Can't wait to watch when I get off
I detected a sub around Adack Alaska in 81. Had it for three hours then lost it. It was noisy. We sent out our helo and dropped bouys but couldn’t find it. Could have been her. Cold War stuff. Our subs were 637 class then.
@@SlipMahoneyBowery would you happen to know a guy named hoho
@@dssssc doesn’t ring a bell.
Admiral Yerofeyev was promoted to Commander-in-Chief of the Northern Fleet
Good story Thanks 💪
43:00 That's insane!
Aloha; great as always. Note: Slide K313 two entries of "TOO" instead of "TO." One for 1974 entry and the other for the 1978 entry. Mahalo
There are typos throughout.
You’ve mentioned Long Term Reactor Storage. Could you please do a video on what is involved?
Would love to hear about it, and contrast it to how we send are nuke waist to a old salt mine to let the salt encase it....... From what I under stand...
Source of water unknown, assumed the Ocean. Ahh maritime humor well executed
👍🏼
Nizni novgorod is the old traditional name. Gorki was the comunist name, like Leningrad was for St. Petersburg
Is Nizni Novgorod the same town as Novgorod?
You report most of these boats did one deployment per year. With a crew of 100 and this being a small submarine, I'm thinking food is gone in 60 days. So, the rest of the year, 10 months, was spent tied to the dock or maybe participating in short training exercises (home for the holidays). This seems like a lot of inactivity to me. How does this compare with the use of American submarines?
can you do a video about Type 218SG
🤘
17:06 "You can't keep food out in the open, like you would if you were at the far northern or southern latitudes..."
What do you mean: "out in the open"? Isn't it a sub? :)
Does that mean that it was freaking cold like in a refrigerator in the whole sub, if it were in the north sea? Did sailors freeze their buts off??? Or were there most of the compartments heated, and only a few weren't, like the food storage room?
Gees... submarine life sure is weird!
did the soviet saliors get any stop at any ports on the way? i was in the australian navy and i know our subs didnt get that many stops but they might get to go into japan or hawaii once a trip. at the NZ 75th fleet aniversary there was a soviet trawler covered in aerials that came into port when all the visiting warships were in. i was just wondering about the submariners.
i think you said there was one that patrolled near vietnam and one that transited the indian ocean to get to the pacific. i was thinking a stop in india or vietnam for a soviet sailor would have been like visiting a different world especially in the 80's.
What's the significance of the K vs B prefix, in the post-Soviet renaming?
52:30 @SubBrief It’s possible that he didn’t intentionally or unintentionally overdose. I don’t know if it can happen by the next morning, but alcohol withdrawal can routinely be fatal. He may have taken sleeping pills to attempt to sleep through the DTs, but passed away from the sudden alcohol withdrawal. They might not have known that back in the 70s, but even if they did, attributing the death to the ingestion of sleeping pills would prevent the captain and political officer from feeling responsible for his death.
After they fired the weapons, were the tubes pumped/blown dry? I would think that making the bow even lighter (w/o missile mass) and then blowing it dry would make it hell to control...
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26:40 "Snoop Tray makes Sonar's day"
What happend to the crew of a boat, once it's in dry dock for extended periods, e.g. 3 years?
ZAPAD is WEST in russian.
I preferred Gorky.
It would seem to me that the offset screw configuration would be inefficient. The trailing blade would be in the low pressure, cavitation zone of the leading blade. Being in the low pressure zone would adversely affect the performance of the trailing blade. I’m not a hydrological engineer, I was in aviation my entire career, so I could be completely out to lunch.
Compared to the echo safety wise this sub is like a Volvo
Sounds like the Moskova may have been hit. Looking forward to what you can tell us about it.
Wait PAPA was.faster than an Alfa?
I really like your Sub Brief videos, i think a saw most, from the Soviet subs. Really interesting videos. When the full World watches the Ukranian-Russian war, China expanded his domain. I heard today the news, that China signed a defence pact with Solomon Islands. Can you do a video from this? If someone did't know, Solomon Islands is a nation north-east from Australia. It has more than 900 islands, Guadalcanal is there to.
How bout a sub brief on the USS Triton (SSRN-586)
Or is it on patrion already?
I would be shocked to see it... Jive wouldn't want to go into detail about the US Sub force...
@@jonathanbair523 ah well he's done two other US subs the Nurwin and the Narwal? The Triton was also a one off sub a radar picket and the only twin reactor...
Cell phone should have translation feature
168 Corbin Rapid
You translated the designer's last name wrong, should be Shaposhnikov (there is a Sh character before the N)
There's typos and mispronunciations throughout the entire thing. He doesn't read the letters in any Russian words.
Accept the order and don’t leave port. A captain should know his boat well enough to sink it without passing any orders down.
Zapad means West
I don't know how the USSR did things but modern Russia holds a big exercise every year, alternating between the North, South, East and West cardinal directions each time to involve different military districts. As Pete said above, Zapad is West so any time you hear of a Zapad exercise it's going to be happening in the west of the country. North Atlantic could be included depending on the wargame.
The Russian word "Zapad" translates to West in English. Thank me later 🙂
Thank you.
@@SubBrief Personal note, Thanks for the great work. Really thorough and a pleasure to listen to.
oh oh oh 50:00 K320 *I* knoe why it was built so fast.... that radiation leak mutated those 7 peeps into SUPERSUBWORKERS ????? ummmmm WELD with their MIND???? snikker sorry it was funny in my head so I am sharing to the 'verse lol
US NAVY 84 - 88 USS OKINAWA LPH3 ..... world cruise 87 :) *I* wuz there hahaha lol back then... lol well yea...
So on Charlie you said they changed the name to keep the boat off the list of active war ships to lower the numbers. But then you go on to say that they rename them to inflate the numbers?
22:35 It was removed from active duty immediately, because it had a strong curry smell all over it.
V.P. Vorobiev looks like he could be actor Forrest Tucker's brother. or LBJ's bother
If Officers had you insight…
Random question to my fellow Subsexuals? idk
How would a small reactor generating electrical energy, powering battery packs, propelling electric propulsion work?
My crazy thought process, minimise energy loss through mechanical energy, and hopefully (in my head) have a more silent running submarine as potentially you could fully seal up the small reactor/turbine in heavily soundproof section, with only electrical energy leaving it?
Am I crazy, obviously my thoughts have faults but would this not be possible, benefit of diesel/electric stealth with the power and endurance of nuke-boat.
They're trying to do this kind of thing for land nuclear capacity at the moment. Building sealed micro reactors that are about the size that'll fit in the back of a lwb pickup - dodge 3500/W300 or modern analogue.
Its a really bad idea for a lot of reasons but civilian nuclear engineers contracting to government have a form of artificial stupidity.
Indians being Indian I will bet there was a payment issue so the Russians repossessed the sub.
LOL hope the DNR (wild life cops) don't fine the crew for catching a something outside of its season when they get the K-201 in the nets...
Plus I heard the Russian àre like are 2 to 4....
I really would like to serve on an SSGN or a Virginia class submarine, just an American submarine with a prompt global strike weapon system on board.
Google translate?
Huh, so submarine navigating under the ice are using active then? Must be pretty noisy
it's not noisy, it's amazing and silent. You, sir, have no idea.
@@SubBrief I wish i had... must be so tranquil then. but on edge
Only American does rredun
ura
Just listening to this caricature of sea duty, we should have NO doubt Russia will continue to give tanks, bmp's, and radar systems to my friends in the Ukraine. I have little doubt that had the first month in the Ukraine happened in America, our men would have re-done the entire command structure of my army, my airforce, my defensive components such as air control, ground replenishment, navy positioning, and overall command structure changes. Only one thing is done, that is to place in overall command a shithead commander willing to blow up places of domicile of civilians. Somehow care for citizens is totally lacking and speaks of inhuman conditions in the old Soviet Onion. A batch of ner-do-wells all stuck ignomously together. What could go wrong in the Donetsk and Luhanse murderous condition coming up. I predict a failure so great Putin might consider tactical nukes as an address issue. Let us pray not.