It’s the 38 year Sim guy again. I’ve noticed lately you seem to really like the motion movement during shifting. I’m now officially jealous. That is exactly how I would do it and I never actually thought of that. And I suspect it helps with the balance of the car on braking and corner exits also. Keep up the great work, we love everything you do for us…..
I've got myself the GT neo and the alpha mini, i'm waiting for the hardware to come to me ^^ I agree with you mate 10 to 12 nm of torque is good competitively wise. Good review as always ! Have a nice day buddy !
Can’t wait to hear from your experience with the Mini plus the Neo combo man😃 That must be the greatest value on the market right now in terms of price to what we get 💪
@@GregoryShtevensh Simply the best value on the market. Gt neo is a simple but efficient wheel. Alpha mini is great too even more now that we have 360hz ffb on iRacing. Im only driving on iRacing btw so I can’t tell how it will feel on any other sim
I have just tested my new r16 v2 for the first time with the gs v2p, and it feels incredible. Feels like the endgame setup, no need to upgrade anymore.
Going from the original r16 w/ their 200mm extension to the new r16 v2 and new extension I will say I liked the previous extension light better. But I’ve since adapted. It’s a great bass.
Great video as always. I'm just getting used to my R12. Here you are setting quicker laps times with only your palm compared to both my hands gripped on the wheel. :)
I used the measurements on the website to compare the R9 V2 and the R16 V2, and measuring from the mounting holes on the botton, the R16 is 2.5cm longer when mounted in the exact same spot. This would also explain why the extension is now only 15cm, so in the end its 17.5cm compared to the R9s 20cm
I don’t know man! I never ask companies about anything and that’s for a reason 😁 I hope I will have the chance to do some extensive tests and make videos about it 🤛
After one broken R2 wheelbase got a replacement with R9 V2 which is working flawless.Looking R16V2 & R21 v2 as i want more detailed FFB in the range of 8kn which my R9 struggle to keep up.Clipping is near as soon as i get in the range i would like to be constantly in.
This video couldn't of come at a better time. I have a R21 V2 on the way, really like what moza are doing atm especially with their ecosystem. Would be great to get some of your take on what settings you find work best for the R16 on the sims you have tested so far.
I haven’t at home buddy. I have tested it on different expo events and felt great but can’t create full opinion without tweeting it my personal like and push it in different sims. Hopefully will have the chance to test but I believe will be just as good as the other top bases on the market as I had OSW with 15000cpr which was absolutely awesome and the VRS I think is 2mil 🤣
Great vid. I'm upgrading for mostly Rally sim from Thrustmaster Sparco TS XW P310 . Been wondering if 21 newtons is overkill, sounds like 16 newtons is all you need. I like Moza, but have considered Simagic. With this new upgrade Moza looks it might be the choice. Thnx. Oh ya....Love your cockpit !
Do you mean the R21 V2 ? I have the V1 here and I love it but the T16 V2 feels for sure better and I’m curious how the R21 V2 feels and what are the chances they did to achieve that
@@chepilevski Yees the new 1 R21 v2 love it, test it dudes, I think you will sell your pro lol;l so smooth ets/ats @ 60%in the game and 100% is the moza software, and it feels like a car servo, I still have to test the rest like rally, but this thing works like a Swiss clock on a baby's bottom, Too bad I can't send you a picture here, with my new simrig toy on
Hi! Thank you so much for your reviews. I currently have a Moza R12 base, and I'm looking to spend up to 1000€ for a formula wheel. I'm considering the Moza FSR, F-Core, or Grid steering wheel. Which one do you think is the best option? Alternatively, is there another wheel you'd consider in that price range? Or do you think upgrading my wheel base from 12nm to 20nm or higher would be a better choice?
The Alpha U is my favorite base for now and driving it for more then a year, I can say only positive feedback and never had single problem. I have to test extensively now this one to see if will work flawless as the Simagic does for so long and have bit more confident opinion! As I’ve said, most of the bases can give me exactly what I need and I mostly want to see how they deal In extensive use🤛
Rinnovo i miei complimenti per i tuoi splendidi video ! Con l'occasione, ti chiedo se per cortesia, mi mandi le impostazione riguardo la base Alpha Ultimate per iRacing. Grazie mille.
Its def there best wheelbase yet and it feels really good for sure but I still prefer simagic and the newer dd/dd+ from fanatec which imo feels almost identical to asetek.
Γεια σου φίλε μου!!After 3 months did you got any information if there is actually mechanical improvements on R16 v2 or just software tweaks?Im between r16v2 and simagic Alpha,i have R9 v2 with KS wheel,and diy my round custom wheels.I want road texture details in 10 kn range performance ,which path should i take?
As extension will work but the pins on the QR and front are different and the connectivity will be lost buddy! Actually Simagic have there own extension kit in 20 and 15cm which will be better fit and cheaper option 🤛
Hi Steliyan! Thank you for your reviews and passion. I wonder, is there a specific reason why you don't review Asetek products? Yes, there are tons of reviews on the RUclips, but they all seem more like promotional videos, rather than reviews, unless Asetek products are flawless. I would love to see your honest opinion about their pedals and wheelbases (Forte and Invicta). And since you are using Alpha U now, I am really curious how they compare. I see a lot of debates online about where to switch from Fanatec - Simagic, Moza or Asetek. I am sure direct comparison from you would help a lot of people decide, even if you don't voice a conclusion :)
Hi buddy For some reason Fanatec and Asetek avoid me and I never contact first any company as I try to have as limited conversation with them as possible and not connect emotionally with anyone. That being said, I trust some of the positive opinions about Asetek products as I have tested them on different expo events and the FFB feels great for sure !
@@chepilevski I asked in the official group, what is the reason for not sending samples to you. Let's see if there will be any movement. Almost all of the videos I've seen compares Simagic to Simucube or Asetek to Simucube. But people deserve to know how they compare directly and what pluses and minuses each have, so they can make a weighted decision. Both products are not cheap, especially if you factor ecosystem. Laurence agreed to make a comparison video, since he has both :)
Hey man, I’m not home right bit usually I go 7 on road effects and damping/friction zero just to make sure the effects are not dumped! That makes the wheel too light around the center and if you don’t like it you can add some friction like 10 to 20 percent
You really think the r9 is on the same level as the simagic alpha mini? I bought the r9 because of your amazing review on it but a lot of people have recently been saying that the alpha mini is quite a bit better with the ffb. The moza is nice after 1 year of ownership but I had the wireless disconnect issues with the wheel & even after getting it fixed I have been just put off from the brand all together now. Thinking of jumping ship to the alpha mini honestly.
my solution to the r9 disconnect issues was to buy a simagic wheel and use a wired connection lol but yeah simagic ecosystem is looking like the next move.
@@Mawding yup exactly. They gave me a new motherboard for the wireless on my v1r9 but I think its bs that they come out with a v2 to just eliminate the wireless connection unless needed. Scummy business move.
@@gster109 yup my last email from moza is to give them my r9 info for them to send me the replacement transmitter as well. I looked into other peoples feedback after swapping it and it seems like it doesnt fix the disconnect issues so I never went through with it
Would you recomend this over the Simagic Alpha? Everyone keeps telling me the Simagic is better, but i like Moza wheels better. Even if the Simagic is better, are Moza wheels worth the compromise in FFB?
The FFB is bit more spiky and pronounced on Moza bases particularly over the curbs! I like that more but some people don’t. Nevertheless, for me the FFB is very close and you can achieve equal feelings with both bases.
I want to make my last purchase for a dd wheel I currently have r9v2 with rsv2 wheel, do i go for r16 or the 15nm alpha? Im not looking for power I'm looking for the most refined feel in that pro level, any help much appreciated
They are very close with Simagic being bit more smooth and Moza usually are bit more spiky hitting curbs for example! I believe Simagic are bit better quality and have better wheel choices if you want to look in those upgrades in the future 🤛
Congratulations on your wonderful video!!! I have been following you for quite some time and your post is wonderful . According to your thought of experience, I ask for your advice as if you have to do it by improving my base, would you be more oriented to buy a simagic alpha 15 newton meters or a moza 16 newton meters as per your presentation ? I thank you infinitely and let's push the way as you say. Greetings Dome
The Simagic Alpha you is a base I haven’t ever tested and is hard to give full opinion but being Alpha U user for a full year I have to say I never had single problem with it! My personal opinion is they will be very close in terms of FFB quality and must be more about which ecosystem you prefer the most in terms of wheels choices and other peripherals.
They say they don’t work with the V2 bases buddy! The FSR I use here is V1 and doesn’t work with this fully and sometimes connects and sometimes not! I use the USB for this one
@chepilevski hi mate. Got my r21 v2 for review, and I can now tell for sure that my v1 wheels (gs and rs) works fine. For now, and unlike the r12, and r9 last revision, the r16/21 v2 still have a Bluetooth module. But for how long.. at some point I believe moza will ditch Bluetooth definitely
I also have the R16 and it is a fantastic base. However i have one problem with the settings. The details when driving are great but steering is so heavy as if the modern car has no power steering, especially in the fast turns it is way too heavy. Could you give me the solution for that please.
At what overall strength you use it buddy? They all feel heavy in long corners when load the grip of the tires and and relax when losing the grip which is how FFB must work to give us the information what’s going on! With real slicks that’s similar but but in real cars the wheel doesn’t work like FFB at all and we take the information from the body forces. I usually tune down the overall force to not fight the FFB which letting me have my hands more loose and feel more easily the effects of the FFB and react! I can suggest you to try for few days lower FFB gain till you get used to it without fighting with the wheel and see how you feel after a week! It may feel strange in the beginning but ones your muscles get used to the new forces and relax you must start feeling way better what’s going on with the car or at least that’s how works for me 🤛
I owned DD2 before and was just on the release and wasn’t really good at the time but lately testing it on different Expo events felt as good as the rest on the market buddy! Differences are negligible for me personally!
Hi. I'm trying to decide between Simagic Alpha with GT Pro leather round wheel or Moza R16 v2 with RS v2 wheel. Which do you recommend since you mentioned that the r16 v2 has improved force feedback? I have tried the R12 and R21 V2 and with the GS V2 and RS V2. I actually preferred the R12 force feedback in regards to finer details, but I felt stronger suspension shifting in the R21. From your description, it sounds like the R16 has combined the two. Does the Alpha provided noticeably better or more road and engine detail along with those stronger suspension/weight transfer forces? I'd appreciate your opinion.
Hi buddy The Moza feels bit more alive in terms of FFB with little more pronounced spikes over the curbs which I personally like but other people don’t! FFB is such a subjective thing man! The differences are way too small for my personal like to really say one is better than the other! I think also that the Simagic steering wheels are better quality then the Moza. I really don’t know what to say to help your decision particularly when talking about FFB as we may like completely different experiences!
@@chepilevski I appreciate your input and like your style. I did a complete right turn and decided to go with the Asetek forte base, forte button box with the extra paddles and the round 330mm rim. The 4 million points of resolution, 22 bit encoder, and fast slew rate sounds like what I'm looking for to reproduce those finer details.
Hi Steliyan I've got a Moza r9 v1 and for a while I'm thinking about to upragde to r16 v2 , is it worth the upgrade because i noticed a lot clipping in game with the r9 in ACC even when i tune it down to 60% , would it be worth to upgrade to theese base in terms of overall ffb quality,clipping etc. , I am not that interested in the overall strength because like you said we will never use the full torque potential, I'm more interested in the overall ffb quality and the little details which this base would essentially give me in comparison to the r9 v1 which I have now , i know its maybe hard to give a proper answer but I'll ask it anyway , cheers mate 👍
Having had a bunch of different wheels and bases my R16 V2 is absolutely amazing and worthy upgrade from the R9. I don't think I will ever need an upgrade again until the wheel and base is no longer any good hopefully many many years from now. It's extremely smooth and the FFB is amazing it's a big step up from the R9 (In my own opinion) Oh yeah the R16v2 has the new feedback system that the R12 has (The R5,R9,R16 and R21) has the older motor.
I hope I will get soon information about the hardware and if there is any changes as if not, must be just firmware update! Definitely the feedback from the R16 V2 felt better then the R21 V1 🙈
Oh man, I love both With the Moza I found the spikes being bit more pronounced for example hitting curbs and I personally like that but some people don’t! In therms of FFB you will be very happy with both and you have to consider mostly which wheel you want to use ! If you like some of the Simagic steering wheels more or some of Moza. I personally think Simagic have better wheels 🤛
Simucube is as smooth as well buddy just need bit more filtering! Now it looks like Moza found the way to achieve that level of smoothness as well without losing road effect details
I have tested it in different sim expo events but never at home which can give me full idea of the capabilities! The hardware is absolute and must be as top as the rest on the market!
@@elmstrong in my personal opinion in terms of FFB they will be very close! You must mostly think in terms of which ecosystem you want to go with! The VRS technology is proven as well!
For durability I can’t say much about the R21 as I was testing for a year the Simagic Ultimate and never had single problem and now starting testing the Moza base for long term! In terms of FFB quality in the way I use them they are very similar and the only difference I see is but more pronounced spikes hitting curbs for example from the Moza which I personally prefer but some people don’t!
@@chepilevski Thank you so much for the quick and detailed response! Love your channel. I've been watching and enjoying your videos for years. Keep up the great work, bud!
Hello, Do you have an answer from the moza technicians? R21 V1 vs R16 v2? Eventually i can grab a v1 (r16 or r21) for a very good price - then i would ask me if the v1 Version become the new firmware from Moza for the "NextGen Force 2.0"... Or is it the hardware of the v2 bases? Have anyone an info about that? Thanks for your VIDEOS! Ich glaube Du lebst in Deutschland: Deine Videos sind der Hammer! 👍 Vielen Dank dafür! best regards
The upgraded R16 DD base has the following improvements: 1. Upgraded electronic architecture on the PCBA circuit board for enhanced computational power and stability. 2. Implemented NextGen2.0 FFB filtering algorithm for advanced feedback control and zero latency. ( read more in the article below) 3. Utilized carbon fiber wrapped rotor ( read more in the article below) 4. Improved stability by transitioning from wireless communication to conductive slip ring connection and communication. mozaracing.com/news/mozas-innovations-in-direct-drive-and-vehicle-suspension-technology
Thanks for your answer! What i read in the article: Proprietary NexGen Force Feedback Firmware... ....Accessible across all MOZA bases through convenient firmware updates, this innovation eliminates the need for hardware replacement. Mh..... I think Point 1 and 4 are Hardware improvements. Point 2 and 3 are accessable in the V1 Versions. Now i have an Open Ticket @ moza Support: ".... And now i want do know If the V1 Bases Missing this Feature? Is it a "newest Firmware" Feature or ist it a mechanical Advantage from the Motor in the V2 Bases? Is there any Motor differrences from the V1 to the V2 Bases?..." I will See what their answer is.... best regards
Here ist the answer from moza Support: ..."The difference between V1 and V2 is that V1 is a wireless connection and V2 is a wireless and wired connection. "NextGen Force 2.0" is the force feedback, which both V1 and V2 have."... 😀
Gotta say again man your post production is sublime! Got that pesky mic fixed for good too. Its def the hardest part ❤ Question: Do you think software/firmware plays an important role in a wheel base's performance/ dynamic ability? The sim will provide whatever telemetry it is allowed so how much does the wheels software interfere with that signal? Cheers bruz u the best 👌
Thx for the kind words buddy 🤛 I’m sure firmware updates makes big changes in FFB performance as I have seen that with Simucube, Fanatec, Camus and Simagic and I believe that is happening here with the Moza now. I hope to get clear answer from Moza about the hardware as they don’t specify any hardware changes of the motor or electronics.
@@chepilevski yeah an in depth review on firmware software would help many to understand the terminology and functionality. Help with our overall experience. Cheers mate have a great week 👍
You like everything what pays you. It's hard to trust your opinion because you are excited about everything. We all know that moza is far far away from sc pro or sm ultimate
Simucube is great and better in quality, materials used and software evolution and that’s not a question at all. It also cost way more than Moza and Simagic. That being said, in this case the FFB is subjective thing and depends what everyone wants to get from it. I’m personally fine with Simucube,Moza and Simagic and they can give me exactly what I need to feel the car and have blast on the track😃 If you trust my opinion or not is absolutely your choice and that’s how must be. All I try to do is just give another option and try to stay away from giving subjective opinions but in case like this when I do, I always explain it first. To not blindly trust my subjective opinions is something I expect from everyone when we talk about personal experiences and that’s how it should be. For me is exiting to see some companies like Moza and Simagic and few others close the gap to the top of the market names like Simucube which I love a lot for way lower cost. Have a great Sunday buddy 🍻
Ah no buddy, Simucube pro is better for other reasons but in terms of FFB quality they feel very close to me in low forces! Simucube is proved brand and have stand the test of time and I can put my head for it 😁 Moza are still new and I like a lot how much they close the gap in terms of feeling but they have to prove the rigidity of there products.
@@chepilevski Thanks for the reply! I have a DD2, but I'm thinking about changing, my favorite option is the alpha U but I also want to know the impressions of those who have been able to compare more bases and get more right in that aspect
@@fonsi5546 the DD2 is actually great base and I had it before and in the beginning wasn’t too happy but Fanatec improved it a lot with the time! In terms of FFB quality there won’t be huge difference or at least is not for me. If you finally decide to change it, I would love to hear if you are happy with the new gear choose to go with 🤛
@@chepilevski If I change I will let you know, everything comes because I bought the new GT Neo and as a result of that I decided to think about changing to the alpha U, but at the same time I see that very good bases are coming out like the new csdd+, this r16, asetek.... a few years ago there was not so much indecision because the market was very small hahaha
@@fonsi5546 I had the chance to test the new CSW DD 15nm on iRacing at the last year expo and I was impressed with it. It felt really strong and responsive and they had set it to exactly my like in terms of row FFB 😃
Thanks for keeping us updated, some fantastic kit about now.
It’s the 38 year Sim guy again. I’ve noticed lately you seem to really like the motion movement during shifting. I’m now officially jealous. That is exactly how I would do it and I never actually thought of that. And I suspect it helps with the balance of the car on braking and corner exits also. Keep up the great work, we love everything you do for us…..
Thx man, it is really fun and somehow keeps me very engaged 😁
@@chepilevski You replied before that you turn it down during competitive racing. Was this motion movement closer to your competition settings..??
@@Vip-np8op yes buddy, that’s the one I use for comparison🤛
I've got myself the GT neo and the alpha mini, i'm waiting for the hardware to come to me ^^ I agree with you mate 10 to 12 nm of torque is good competitively wise. Good review as always ! Have a nice day buddy !
Can’t wait to hear from your experience with the Mini plus the Neo combo man😃
That must be the greatest value on the market right now in terms of price to what we get 💪
Yeah id like to know what you think, too
@@GregoryShtevensh Simply the best value on the market. Gt neo is a simple but efficient wheel. Alpha mini is great too even more now that we have 360hz ffb on iRacing.
Im only driving on iRacing btw so I can’t tell how it will feel on any other sim
Good and honest review. New experiences should lead to new opinions it is called progressive insight. Great stuff. Thanks for sharing.
That is so well said man 🍻
got this base and i love it
It is awesome indeed
I was about to pull the trigger on the Simicube 2 Pro but now I'll reconsider and maybe save $600
Awesome channel Bro.
I have just tested my new r16 v2 for the first time with the gs v2p, and it feels incredible. Feels like the endgame setup, no need to upgrade anymore.
You definitely don’t need to go over this 😁
Moza the best! Moza one love!
Going from the original r16 w/ their 200mm extension to the new r16 v2 and new extension I will say I liked the previous extension light better. But I’ve since adapted. It’s a great bass.
Great video as always. I'm just getting used to my R12. Here you are setting quicker laps times with only your palm compared to both my hands gripped on the wheel. :)
hahaha very relatable comment
I used the measurements on the website to compare the R9 V2 and the R16 V2, and measuring from the mounting holes on the botton, the R16 is 2.5cm longer when mounted in the exact same spot. This would also explain why the extension is now only 15cm, so in the end its 17.5cm compared to the R9s 20cm
I never thought to check that 🙈
Thanks for the info brother 🤛
Do you think you will ever review the asetek bases and pedals? I would like to hear your opinion on them
I don’t know man!
I never ask companies about anything and that’s for a reason 😁
I hope I will have the chance to do some extensive tests and make videos about it 🤛
After one broken R2 wheelbase got a replacement with R9 V2 which is working flawless.Looking R16V2 & R21 v2 as i want more detailed FFB in the range of 8kn which my R9 struggle to keep up.Clipping is near as soon as i get in the range i would like to be constantly in.
I was fine with the R9 in terms of power in most cases but some cars naturally have low FFB and it was clipping party if I push it to max.
This video couldn't of come at a better time. I have a R21 V2 on the way, really like what moza are doing atm especially with their ecosystem. Would be great to get some of your take on what settings you find work best for the R16 on the sims you have tested so far.
When you get it set to your rig let me know and I will share the settings I personally prefer 🤛
It finally arrived 😂
My man ❤. I love you bro. No homo, pure bro-ness. 😅
Thanks for a great review as always steliyan!
Have you tried the VRS DFP base?
I wonder how its compared to the SIMAGIC and MOZA offerings.
I haven’t at home buddy.
I have tested it on different expo events and felt great but can’t create full opinion without tweeting it my personal like and push it in different sims.
Hopefully will have the chance to test but I believe will be just as good as the other top bases on the market as I had OSW with 15000cpr which was absolutely awesome and the VRS I think is 2mil 🤣
Great video, would be great to see how the moza r16 v2 compares to the r21 v2. I can't decide which one to buy at the moment
Great vid. I'm upgrading for mostly Rally sim from Thrustmaster Sparco TS XW P310 . Been wondering if 21 newtons is overkill, sounds like 16 newtons is all you need.
I like Moza, but have considered Simagic. With this new upgrade Moza looks it might be the choice. Thnx.
Oh ya....Love your cockpit !
Everybody Gangsta until Steliyan beats you with driving with 1 hand palm 😅✋
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That’s just the FFB driving the car bro 😁
@@chepilevski Then it’s AutoPilot 😎 😂🏎️
@@bmwM3M5M6 absolutely 😁
3:17 how do you drive, so pricise with one hand 😲😲
I don’t, the wheel does 😁
You should test the R21 man, I bought this and think it is very good, thanks info
Do you mean the R21 V2 ?
I have the V1 here and I love it but the T16 V2 feels for sure better and I’m curious how the R21 V2 feels and what are the chances they did to achieve that
@@chepilevski Yees the new 1 R21 v2 love it, test it dudes, I think you will sell your pro lol;l so smooth ets/ats @ 60%in the game and 100% is the moza software, and it feels like a car servo, I still have to test the rest like rally, but this thing works like a Swiss clock on a baby's bottom, Too bad I can't send you a picture here, with my new simrig toy on
@@frankd.b.9233 sounds awesome man 😃
Hi! Thank you so much for your reviews. I currently have a Moza R12 base, and I'm looking to spend up to 1000€ for a formula wheel. I'm considering the Moza FSR, F-Core, or Grid steering wheel. Which one do you think is the best option? Alternatively, is there another wheel you'd consider in that price range? Or do you think upgrading my wheel base from 12nm to 20nm or higher would be a better choice?
Very good review as always ! Will this be your new permanent wheel base ? Or does the Alpha U still have a special place for use again in the future ?
The Alpha U is my favorite base for now and driving it for more then a year, I can say only positive feedback and never had single problem.
I have to test extensively now this one to see if will work flawless as the Simagic does for so long and have bit more confident opinion!
As I’ve said, most of the bases can give me exactly what I need and I mostly want to see how they deal In extensive use🤛
You have a very valid point. I can really appreciate your honest logical opinion. Thank You for this !@@chepilevski
Rinnovo i miei complimenti per i tuoi splendidi video ! Con l'occasione, ti chiedo se per cortesia, mi mandi le impostazione riguardo la base Alpha Ultimate per iRacing. Grazie mille.
Do you have a video of your settings for the r16? Ive been trying to get dialed in and im having trouble.
Its def there best wheelbase yet and it feels really good for sure but I still prefer simagic and the newer dd/dd+ from fanatec which imo feels almost identical to asetek.
They are great indeed 💪
Γεια σου φίλε μου!!After 3 months did you got any information if there is actually mechanical improvements on R16 v2 or just software tweaks?Im between r16v2 and simagic Alpha,i have R9 v2 with KS wheel,and diy my round custom wheels.I want road texture details in 10 kn range performance ,which path should i take?
The new Moza extension is very cool. I wonder if it would work with a Simagic base!? hmmm
As extension will work but the pins on the QR and front are different and the connectivity will be lost buddy!
Actually Simagic have there own extension kit in 20 and 15cm which will be better fit and cheaper option 🤛
That case when the designer drew beautifully, but the performers failed. It looks nice in the picture but in reality there are a lot of questions.
hey my man do you have some good pithouse settings for R16?
Hi Steliyan!
Thank you for your reviews and passion.
I wonder, is there a specific reason why you don't review Asetek products?
Yes, there are tons of reviews on the RUclips, but they all seem more like promotional videos, rather than reviews, unless Asetek products are flawless.
I would love to see your honest opinion about their pedals and wheelbases (Forte and Invicta).
And since you are using Alpha U now, I am really curious how they compare. I see a lot of debates online about where to switch from Fanatec - Simagic, Moza or Asetek.
I am sure direct comparison from you would help a lot of people decide, even if you don't voice a conclusion :)
Hi buddy
For some reason Fanatec and Asetek avoid me and I never contact first any company as I try to have as limited conversation with them as possible and not connect emotionally with anyone.
That being said, I trust some of the positive opinions about Asetek products as I have tested them on different expo events and the FFB feels great for sure !
@@chepilevski It is strange. I hope it will change in the future. Maybe they are scared of comparison to Simagic and Moza...
@@sreshetnyak I’m sure they are good enough to not be scared of the competition
@@chepilevski I asked in the official group, what is the reason for not sending samples to you. Let's see if there will be any movement. Almost all of the videos I've seen compares Simagic to Simucube or Asetek to Simucube. But people deserve to know how they compare directly and what pluses and minuses each have, so they can make a weighted decision. Both products are not cheap, especially if you factor ecosystem. Laurence agreed to make a comparison video, since he has both :)
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I have upgraded from Simagic Alpha Mini to R21V2 and would like to get your Settings 😀
Hey man, I’m not home right bit usually I go 7 on road effects and damping/friction zero just to make sure the effects are not dumped! That makes the wheel too light around the center and if you don’t like it you can add some friction like 10 to 20 percent
@@chepilevski thank u!
You really think the r9 is on the same level as the simagic alpha mini? I bought the r9 because of your amazing review on it but a lot of people have recently been saying that the alpha mini is quite a bit better with the ffb.
The moza is nice after 1 year of ownership but I had the wireless disconnect issues with the wheel & even after getting it fixed I have been just put off from the brand all together now. Thinking of jumping ship to the alpha mini honestly.
You wont regret moving to Simagic
my solution to the r9 disconnect issues was to buy a simagic wheel and use a wired connection lol but yeah simagic ecosystem is looking like the next move.
@@Mawding yup exactly. They gave me a new motherboard for the wireless on my v1r9 but I think its bs that they come out with a v2 to just eliminate the wireless connection unless needed. Scummy business move.
@@SamB-rk9qb already got my r9 & cs posted for sale lol
@@gster109 yup my last email from moza is to give them my r9 info for them to send me the replacement transmitter as well. I looked into other peoples feedback after swapping it and it seems like it doesnt fix the disconnect issues so I never went through with it
I'b be interested in the settings you find the most useful. I have a R16v2 and have found that a setup for each car is the best route so far.
I usually drive 1 car per week and if change classes I just tweak the gain!
I prefer Road effects at 7
Wheels speed 100%
Friction 10%
And damping 0
Hi can you explain which pc you use and which components thank you
Would you recomend this over the Simagic Alpha? Everyone keeps telling me the Simagic is better, but i like Moza wheels better. Even if the Simagic is better, are Moza wheels worth the compromise in FFB?
The FFB is bit more spiky and pronounced on Moza bases particularly over the curbs!
I like that more but some people don’t.
Nevertheless, for me the FFB is very close and you can achieve equal feelings with both bases.
I want to make my last purchase for a dd wheel I currently have r9v2 with rsv2 wheel, do i go for r16 or the 15nm alpha? Im not looking for power I'm looking for the most refined feel in that pro level, any help much appreciated
They are very close with Simagic being bit more smooth and Moza usually are bit more spiky hitting curbs for example!
I believe Simagic are bit better quality and have better wheel choices if you want to look in those upgrades in the future 🤛
This is the same price as simagic alpha mini in Brazil. Wich is worth more?
This is better than the mini as it has also way more power!
Congratulations on your wonderful video!!! I have been following you for quite some time and your post is wonderful . According to your thought of experience, I ask for your advice as if you have to do it by improving my base, would you be more oriented to buy a simagic alpha 15 newton meters or a moza 16 newton meters as per your presentation ? I thank you infinitely and let's push the way as you say. Greetings Dome
The Simagic Alpha you is a base I haven’t ever tested and is hard to give full opinion but being Alpha U user for a full year I have to say I never had single problem with it!
My personal opinion is they will be very close in terms of FFB quality and must be more about which ecosystem you prefer the most in terms of wheels choices and other peripherals.
@@chepilevski Thank you very much for your thought
What is the name of that hilly rally cross track you are on at 02:00? Keep seeing it in your videos and it looks like a lot of fun!
That’s actually kart track in Norway called Buskerud 🤛
@chepilevski That's cool, didn't realise it is a fictional track! I actually live in the county called Buskerud in Norway 😊
@@texnorthman 😃 really 😁
Have you tried a GS v1 or a RS v1 on this new base ? There is some contradictory in the statements about compatibility? Thanks mate
They say they don’t work with the V2 bases buddy!
The FSR I use here is V1 and doesn’t work with this fully and sometimes connects and sometimes not!
I use the USB for this one
@chepilevski the fsr doesn't exist in "v1", launched with the extra pins. So it should work no issue.
@@SerialDriver wow, I just check that and indeed is with the cross pins🙈
I drove it all day long with the cables dangling around 🤣🤣🤣
@chepilevski hi mate. Got my r21 v2 for review, and I can now tell for sure that my v1 wheels (gs and rs) works fine. For now, and unlike the r12, and r9 last revision, the r16/21 v2 still have a Bluetooth module. But for how long.. at some point I believe moza will ditch Bluetooth definitely
I also have the R16 and it is a fantastic base. However i have one problem with the settings. The details when driving are great but steering is so heavy as if the modern car has no power steering, especially in the fast turns it is way too heavy.
Could you give me the solution for that please.
At what overall strength you use it buddy?
They all feel heavy in long corners when load the grip of the tires and and relax when losing the grip which is how FFB must work to give us the information what’s going on!
With real slicks that’s similar but but in real cars the wheel doesn’t work like FFB at all and we take the information from the body forces.
I usually tune down the overall force to not fight the FFB which letting me have my hands more loose and feel more easily the effects of the FFB and react!
I can suggest you to try for few days lower FFB gain till you get used to it without fighting with the wheel and see how you feel after a week!
It may feel strange in the beginning but ones your muscles get used to the new forces and relax you must start feeling way better what’s going on with the car or at least that’s how works for me 🤛
@@chepilevski I have him set at 75% and the game settings at 100%. I will take your advise and put the ffb down and try it out.
is the V1 with the gold trim?
I see that your FSR screen is missing the fuel information. Is there any way to get that to work in iracing?
Oh man, I have no idea 🙈
O haven’t drove that wheel for a while and just put it for a test with this video.
Did ever tested Fanatecs DD2? I would be curious how it compares to the R16 in terms of ffb quality.
I owned DD2 before and was just on the release and wasn’t really good at the time but lately testing it on different Expo events felt as good as the rest on the market buddy!
Differences are negligible for me personally!
@@chepilevski Thank you very much for the answer ❤ really appreciate it!
Then I think I will stay with Fanatec 😊
@@Kalyi89 i don’t think worth at least for me from my experience 🤛
I hope you get to compare the Fanatec offerings soon. I'd like to hear you opining of the 8nm DD to the newer 15nm bases.
Hi. I'm trying to decide between Simagic Alpha with GT Pro leather round wheel or Moza R16 v2 with RS v2 wheel. Which do you recommend since you mentioned that the r16 v2 has improved force feedback? I have tried the R12 and R21 V2 and with the GS V2 and RS V2. I actually preferred the R12 force feedback in regards to finer details, but I felt stronger suspension shifting in the R21. From your description, it sounds like the R16 has combined the two. Does the Alpha provided noticeably better or more road and engine detail along with those stronger suspension/weight transfer forces? I'd appreciate your opinion.
Hi buddy
The Moza feels bit more alive in terms of FFB with little more pronounced spikes over the curbs which I personally like but other people don’t!
FFB is such a subjective thing man!
The differences are way too small for my personal like to really say one is better than the other!
I think also that the Simagic steering wheels are better quality then the Moza.
I really don’t know what to say to help your decision particularly when talking about FFB as we may like completely different experiences!
@@chepilevski I appreciate your input and like your style. I did a complete right turn and decided to go with the Asetek forte base, forte button box with the extra paddles and the round 330mm rim. The 4 million points of resolution, 22 bit encoder, and fast slew rate sounds like what I'm looking for to reproduce those finer details.
@@technogov2 they says it feels awesome bro!
Best wishes and fun driving with it 💪
Hi Steliyan
I've got a Moza r9 v1 and for a while I'm thinking about to upragde to r16 v2 , is it worth the upgrade because i noticed a lot clipping in game with the r9 in ACC even when i tune it down to 60% , would it be worth to upgrade to theese base in terms of overall ffb quality,clipping etc. , I am not that interested in the overall strength because like you said we will never use the full torque potential, I'm more interested in the overall ffb quality and the little details which this base would essentially give me in comparison to the r9 v1 which I have now , i know its maybe hard to give a proper answer but I'll ask it anyway , cheers mate 👍
Having had a bunch of different wheels and bases my R16 V2 is absolutely amazing and worthy upgrade from the R9.
I don't think I will ever need an upgrade again until the wheel and base is no longer any good hopefully many many years from now.
It's extremely smooth and the FFB is amazing it's a big step up from the R9 (In my own opinion)
Oh yeah the R16v2 has the new feedback system that the R12 has (The R5,R9,R16 and R21) has the older motor.
@@alkine3011 Where did you get the idea that they have different engines? Moza claims that the engine was not changed, ffb 2.0 is a software firmware
Would be great if you can compare the r16v1 vs the v2
I hope I will get soon information about the hardware and if there is any changes as if not, must be just firmware update!
Definitely the feedback from the R16 V2 felt better then the R21 V1 🙈
I'm not sure if I should if I should get the Alpha U or the R21 V2. Do you think I will be happier with one or the other ? I need your advice .
Oh man, I love both
With the Moza I found the spikes being bit more pronounced for example hitting curbs and I personally like that but some people don’t!
In therms of FFB you will be very happy with both and you have to consider mostly which wheel you want to use !
If you like some of the Simagic steering wheels more or some of Moza.
I personally think Simagic have better wheels 🤛
@@chepilevski Thank You for your Advice. Great Channel you have. Keep up the Fantastic work ! Your Passion Shines Through in your Videos !
Do you think that is better than simagic alpha? I am about to buy either the alpha or r16 but I cant pick one!
I don’t think is better buddy, they are very very similar in terms of feeling at least in the settings I use them !
cheers brother, so the simagic ultimate and moza r16 anre smoother than the simucube 2 pro?
Simucube is as smooth as well buddy just need bit more filtering!
Now it looks like Moza found the way to achieve that level of smoothness as well without losing road effect details
Have you tested the VRS-Wheelbase and can compare it to the R16 V2?
I have tested it in different sim expo events but never at home which can give me full idea of the capabilities!
The hardware is absolute and must be as top as the rest on the market!
@@chepilevski thanks for your reply. Don't know what wheelbase to buy r16, vrs or simagic alpha- difficult decision nowadays...
@@elmstrong in my personal opinion in terms of FFB they will be very close!
You must mostly think in terms of which ecosystem you want to go with!
The VRS technology is proven as well!
@@elmstrong is hard I know 🙈
@@chepilevski before your video it was only vrs and simagic for me to decide...maybe I should roll the 🎲 😊
R21 V2 or Simagic Alpha Ultimate for FFB Quality and durability?
For durability I can’t say much about the R21 as I was testing for a year the Simagic Ultimate and never had single problem and now starting testing the Moza base for long term!
In terms of FFB quality in the way I use them they are very similar and the only difference I see is but more pronounced spikes hitting curbs for example from the Moza which I personally prefer but some people don’t!
@@chepilevski Thank you so much for the quick and detailed response! Love your channel. I've been watching and enjoying your videos for years. Keep up the great work, bud!
Hello,
Do you have an answer from the moza technicians?
R21 V1 vs R16 v2?
Eventually i can grab a v1 (r16 or r21) for a very good price - then i would ask me if the v1 Version become the new firmware from Moza for the "NextGen Force 2.0"...
Or is it the hardware of the v2 bases?
Have anyone an info about that?
Thanks for your VIDEOS!
Ich glaube Du lebst in Deutschland:
Deine Videos sind der Hammer! 👍
Vielen Dank dafür!
best regards
The upgraded R16 DD base has the following improvements:
1. Upgraded electronic architecture on the PCBA circuit board for enhanced computational power and stability.
2. Implemented NextGen2.0 FFB filtering algorithm for advanced feedback control and zero latency. ( read more in the article below)
3. Utilized carbon fiber wrapped rotor ( read more in the article below)
4. Improved stability by transitioning from wireless communication to conductive slip ring connection and communication.
mozaracing.com/news/mozas-innovations-in-direct-drive-and-vehicle-suspension-technology
Hi buddy
That’s the answer I’ve got and to be honest it doesn’t makes things much clearer but I guess they can’t achieve that with the V1 series 🙈
Thanks for your answer!
What i read in the article:
Proprietary NexGen Force Feedback Firmware...
....Accessible across all MOZA bases through convenient firmware updates, this innovation eliminates the need for hardware replacement.
Mh.....
I think Point 1 and 4 are Hardware improvements. Point 2 and 3 are accessable in the V1 Versions.
Now i have an Open Ticket @ moza Support:
".... And now i want do know If the V1 Bases Missing this Feature? Is it a "newest Firmware" Feature or ist it a mechanical Advantage from the Motor in the V2 Bases? Is there any Motor differrences from the V1 to the V2 Bases?..."
I will See what their answer is....
best regards
@@Ehrenwerter let me know what they will say buddy as I’m very interested to understand what’s going on !
Here ist the answer from moza Support:
..."The difference between V1 and V2 is that V1 is a wireless connection and V2 is a wireless and wired connection.
"NextGen Force 2.0" is the force feedback, which both V1 and V2 have."...
😀
R16 or the simagic Alpha 15nm
I haven’t tested the Simagic Alpha buddy and can’t compare them directly
Gotta say again man your post production is sublime! Got that pesky mic fixed for good too. Its def the hardest part ❤
Question: Do you think software/firmware plays an important role in a wheel base's performance/ dynamic ability?
The sim will provide whatever telemetry it is allowed so how much does the wheels software interfere with that signal?
Cheers bruz u the best 👌
Thx for the kind words buddy 🤛
I’m sure firmware updates makes big changes in FFB performance as I have seen that with Simucube, Fanatec, Camus and Simagic and I believe that is happening here with the Moza now.
I hope to get clear answer from Moza about the hardware as they don’t specify any hardware changes of the motor or electronics.
@@chepilevski yeah an in depth review on firmware software would help many to understand the terminology and functionality. Help with our overall experience. Cheers mate have a great week 👍
@@discodan2265 have a great Sunday my friend 🍻
You like everything what pays you. It's hard to trust your opinion because you are excited about everything. We all know that moza is far far away from sc pro or sm ultimate
Simucube is great and better in quality, materials used and software evolution and that’s not a question at all.
It also cost way more than Moza and Simagic.
That being said, in this case the FFB is subjective thing and depends what everyone wants to get from it.
I’m personally fine with Simucube,Moza and Simagic and they can give me exactly what I need to feel the car and have blast on the track😃
If you trust my opinion or not is absolutely your choice and that’s how must be.
All I try to do is just give another option and try to stay away from giving subjective opinions but in case like this when I do, I always explain it first.
To not blindly trust my subjective opinions is something I expect from everyone when we talk about personal experiences and that’s how it should be.
For me is exiting to see some companies like Moza and Simagic and few others close the gap to the top of the market names like Simucube which I love a lot for way lower cost.
Have a great Sunday buddy 🍻
R16 is better than simucube pro?
Ah no buddy, Simucube pro is better for other reasons but in terms of FFB quality they feel very close to me in low forces!
Simucube is proved brand and have stand the test of time and I can put my head for it 😁
Moza are still new and I like a lot how much they close the gap in terms of feeling but they have to prove the rigidity of there products.
Are your monitors tilted towards you
Or are the vertical?
Vertical 🤛
Thanx brother, have a great day
@@elvish4432 you too buddy 🍻
Do you prefer alphaU or r16v2?
Alpha U I my favorite base but in terms of FFB quality I don’t mind if is R16 or Alpha U 🤔
@@chepilevski Thanks for the reply! I have a DD2, but I'm thinking about changing, my favorite option is the alpha U but I also want to know the impressions of those who have been able to compare more bases and get more right in that aspect
@@fonsi5546 the DD2 is actually great base and I had it before and in the beginning wasn’t too happy but Fanatec improved it a lot with the time!
In terms of FFB quality there won’t be huge difference or at least is not for me.
If you finally decide to change it, I would love to hear if you are happy with the new gear choose to go with 🤛
@@chepilevski If I change I will let you know, everything comes because I bought the new GT Neo and as a result of that I decided to think about changing to the alpha U, but at the same time I see that very good bases are coming out like the new csdd+, this r16, asetek.... a few years ago there was not so much indecision because the market was very small hahaha
@@fonsi5546 I had the chance to test the new CSW DD 15nm on iRacing at the last year expo and I was impressed with it.
It felt really strong and responsive and they had set it to exactly my like in terms of row FFB 😃
So my v1 is worth swapping for v2 😢
I don’t think the differences are that huge for that change buddy and hopefully some firmware can close the gap
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@@chepilevski I've just ordered r21 v2 😁
@@SMOKEY-Junior 😁
Mad man 🍻
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