Wonder how long it'll take them to realize we can see through their new strategy to pretend to listen and communicate by making huge L decisions then releasing a new store mount and sweeping changes two weeks after people quit.
Motherlode was only good because of the seasonal (awakened) affix in bfa that allowed you to skip trash with the mini boss pillars. It's going to be completely garbage without that option now.
@@Bourkes15 I think having people invis/stealth through packs is dungeon design failure. If there is a pack that people always want to skip like that then it should be nerfed.
Blizzard wants to cut the already dwindling player base of tanks to literally only R1 players. As a main tank in Mythic raid, experiencing getting 3k this season in M+ was already trash. After seeing these changes im just going to stop playing M+ after 2500. There is no point subjecting myself to unfun content with no actual reward.
I got 3-3.1k-3.2k across DF, even across multiple characters because I love alts. Played beta and since all the S1 changes to gearing and M+ decided I was just getting portals and chilling the rest of the season. The system is already falling apart and not worth your time. Its just not fun
had to stop playing m+ this season as a ww. dungeons are not fun, key level scaling is still broken, tank and healer shortage needs to be addressed in a positive way and many, many, many more points. i pugged my way to 3,6k during draonflight s3, always played up to +25 keys, but this season (and s2 df) is absolutely the worst its ever been (of all seasons i played, bfa s2 as a starting point).
Yeah man, I've been 3k for like 6 straight seasons. I just quit pushing. No point. More fun to hang out with friends. I def don't care about score anymore...gj blizz you win
Oh no, things will suck for tanks again :O Brewmasters have lived in the suck for a long time now and we've learned to embrace it. Welcome to the club.
Meh I play only tanks for years in m+. Wont be better at 3 month mark. Changes are dogshit to already dogshit keys. Blizz wants delves to regin supreme. They phasing out m+.
Was a Brewmaster main, was doing like 13's 14's. Kinda felt like I just needed to quit the game entirely about 2 weeks ago. Sucks but every bit of news I see doesn't make me regret the move.
What is the Bw issue? I'm a returning player who just started playing tanks 2 weeks ago and so far (+4s) I like the Bw over Blood DK. I dont have comparison with other tanks.
Am I the only one who wants less mechanics, less punishing encounters, a more simple game in general? I might be getting old or just playing poe 2 for two weeks swayed me.
I love world of warcraft, I love raiding, and I love mythic plus…but I am getting so tired of waiting in failed m+ cues that it might be time to take a season off.
In DF I re-rolled dps from being a healer main since Legion and was doing 28s and it was fun while I tanked only 25s and healed 26s because it felt like a wall in PUG environment. In TWW I healed up to 13s and its not fun at all while doing 13s on dps is just a breeze and feels super easy and is fun. Each expansion and even season its been less and less fun to play tank/healer and every time I see new changes it just confirms it. Blizz need to wake up and stop making the game around pre-made world class tryhards.
Less People are playing M+, especially Tanks and Healers. Blizzard: Lets do more Tank Busters! Lets make more AoE Damage for Healers! Seriously...what in the hell are they smoking?
Love your videos and analysis Izen. usually I post a comment to complain about Blizzard, but this time I just wanted to say I stumbled on your channel some months ago, back when I was on a break from WoW but still watching videos on it (go figure lol), and I really appreciate the way you go through each update. Been a big fan for some time now. Happy new year sir!
Or maybe the community perception and "influencers" need to change. Every single influencer is dooming over tanks and healers and the community just dooms with them and blindly follows every meta tier list for their pisslow +6 keys. This game's entire community is a bunch of sad little man babies and furry losers.
Im starting to think that the chubby, short purple haired they/them's dont know what theyre doing. I wonder how much money the shareholders would make if they just hired gamers to make the games
Blizzard needs to rename these changes to "How we plan on chasing off even more Tanks and Healers," because this healer won't be doing M+ next season. As a H. Priest main this season was bad enough; but, I .refuse. to deal with the shit show that next season will be with H.priest turning into just another CD focused class (mY aPoThEoSiS!1!1! her der) coupled with the dungeon rotation they have planned.
It’s a very good season to skip. The only thing blizzard understands is money. The hell, DF S3 was so good, what are they doing is beyond my comprehension. They won’t get my subscription for sure.
there are only few tank specs in the game and it is getting smaller until only one tank is optimal to use. Blizzard do not think of this shit. Queues are getting longer especially in dead hours. I would just suddenly be startled by the RDF because I just remembered that I queued and it was an hour that passed already. Blizzard making it harder for the healers and tanks is so stupid. The burden of puzzle should be with the most number in group and that is the DPS. Dead tank or heal automatically means a wipe so why would they make it harder for the specs that are the foundation of the run.
I enjoy challenges, but I prefer pugging. It’s almost like Blizzard is forcing players to put on their headsets and form organized groups. Everyone knows that every single dungeon will be overturned at the start.
Dude these dungeons are 2-3 expansions old. Blizzard got no reason to just leave them as they are. People are just acting like the dungeons are gonna be absurdly hard without even having tried them yet in it's current tuning.
@@Laptican I mean I get it. I'm usually in the same boat. But after seeing the completion rate of the dungeons the beginning of this season being below 50% (GB, SoB and CoT hovering around 20-30%) its kinda hard to see all these changes as positives lol.. especially with nerfing tanks a ton at the start of the expansion. Im the type who likes challenges, don't get me wrong. I main healer and push keys. But having dungeons be at a all time low for completion only creates frustration in players and causes them to quit and makes group making even more picky when they're grabbing players for their party because they want people who know absolutely what theyre doing so they dont brick the key single handedly
Would rather like to see a shared health pool / health link mechanic over the ramping storm version to deal with the "kill one skip mechanics" scenario... Pretty much everyone i know and have played with in S1 hates the machinists bosses in Stonevault.
they just do the bare minimum to make it payable but there is zero effort to make it fun or even make more dungeons. Typical for big companies, slackers and incompetent managers
As a retired from raiding front page spriest, i cant even get into 12's, I wanted to do a whole season with no guild help/solo to see the pug experience. TL;DR is sucks @#$.
Blizzard already has a severe problem with M+. The reward to effort ratio is so far off that very few people care to do them. At all. Only the 0.5% of the population which are masochists enjoy this kind of content. Now they seem to want to make it even less likely players do Mythic +. Good luck Blizzard
How about let us choose our own keystone instead of wasting 4 hours doing a bunch of garbage dungeons we've already timed just to PRAY we eventually get the key we NEED. On top of that keystone bricking should be gone PERIOD. Brick a +15? Ok go spend an hour in a 14 just to get another random key you don't want. Here at blizzard we value wasting your time. But they want you to randomly bring people into keys you dont need only to have that person brick them. They don't want pre-mades to shine
It would be a valuable addition but for higher keys mostly It's fine if Casual Chris has to do an extra +7 because he didn't get invited to the Stonevault key he wanted It's a bit worse when you team has no Stonevault +17 and has to now derank their other +17s, complete the +16s and hope to time them + have the new key turn into a Stonevault
@@Izenhartthat makes 0 sense. It’s ok to waste a guys time who only doing a 7 but don’t dare waste mine on a 17.. a little to entitled don’t you think. If it’s on for 1 it is ok for the other of not for 1 then not for both
No comment about currentcy? Just key levels? You all should chill because you get the same currentcy. Except now you will get more with a higher difficulty. So with currentcy changes what is the issue?
@@richardherman2754 You missed his entire point.... and doing anything below a 14 means there are 400 different groups and keys out there going on at all times. Once you get past 14, it is a barren wasteland of slim pickins as far as keys and groups are concerned. So yes, since Casual Chris has 10000x the chance to get into a 7 than one does into a 15, clearly it is fine. and @sarmstrong5549 we dont care about the currency. Some of us are sitting on 1000 gilded crests because that comes with pushing. We're tired of having our time wasted and disrespected. Blizzard thinks everyone is unemployed living in moms basement and has 12 hours a day to play and sit in group finder or repush a bricked key back up. Its disgusting and makes no logical sense outside of their main goal which is and always will be Subscription Stretching.
They made some good changes so far , 3 major issue that is killing the fun in the game for me . Same dungeons (and not even the fun ones) ,healers don’t do dmg(I m main healer ,and what made healer was fun and we could brag about our gameplay and dps , now it’s too little or it’s passive dps😢) some healer have so much tools compare to others and that’s causing too much trouble . Shaman to evoked . Their cc , interrupt, dispel , cheat death …. They are not in same category which made it unfair . I was doing +10s with 595 ilvl shaman while 626 ilvl monk had issues with 11.(for restoring shaman player , imagine you can only use “1” totem at the time ) that’s how bad design is . They need to dumb down the game cause most of players are old any class higher that has higher than 50 apm for them is too hard . They forced dps 1 season to use def and they left the game .
Healer damage was always a trash game play it always led to garbage healers who couldnt hit a heal because of "DAMAGE". It was toxic it was killing wow and it should never return you want to brag about healing and damage play a ret and wog people when the healer sucks.
Been getting 3k-3.3k io since bfa . Have all healer except priest(never liked them ) .i dont think you play healer . Healer not dpsing makes class boring unless you have bunch of deadbrain dps who dont know how to use def/interrupts . The higher content you play as healer is less healing(except some bosses) requires cause people can stop the dmg . It is the same reason disc priest became meta this season .
MY GOD!!! WHAT IS THAT??!! This looks REALLY bad, what the hell are they smoking?! The only somewhat reasonable reason for most of these changes would be "shit, the modern dungs look absoloutly dogshit, boss how do we make players not realise that? Make the old dungeons dogshit too!"
Why are the devs in charge of these changes still hired just to make sure they kill the game off for good ??? Never thought i would say this but i want a refund on my game time i bought .Been playing since TBC every day on all expansions this is legit the biggest garbage expansion they did so far it really seems they listened to the community when they told them this is garbage gameplay and they need to change it but don't worry guys we got the shitty ring from siren isles that blizz used to give us the middle finger .
Wow, doubling down on the poor design choices that made the first season bad. Already cancelled my sub and won't be back unless they revert the tank changes. I been saying since the start TWW is a trash expansion, and everyone disagreed with me lol.
Theater of Pain, is one of the worst dungeons to have ever graced the game. No idea why they would bring that one back. I on the other hand will not be returning this season.
Does blizzard not want people to play m+? Some of these changes are just baffling
First time?! :D
First time?
First time!
100% agree, i'm not even going to bother playing S2.
Dungeon pool sucks and these changes sucks, almost like they don't even play the game themselves.
First time?
Ngl this might be the first season in 4 expansions i throw in the towel. Unreal stupid changes...
Wonder how long it'll take them to realize we can see through their new strategy to pretend to listen and communicate by making huge L decisions then releasing a new store mount and sweeping changes two weeks after people quit.
As long as people keep buying the mounts, the suck will continue. We are years off.
This has been happening for more than a decade, it's not gonna stop now.
Motherlode was only good because of the seasonal (awakened) affix in bfa that allowed you to skip trash with the mini boss pillars. It's going to be completely garbage without that option now.
invis pots,, oh wait Random pug stuffed his up and died and killed everyone :D
@@Bourkes15 I think having people invis/stealth through packs is dungeon design failure. If there is a pack that people always want to skip like that then it should be nerfed.
Blizzard either needs to make dungeons so that it's runable with more than 3 dps or buff healers and tanks...
Blizzard wants to cut the already dwindling player base of tanks to literally only R1 players. As a main tank in Mythic raid, experiencing getting 3k this season in M+ was already trash. After seeing these changes im just going to stop playing M+ after 2500. There is no point subjecting myself to unfun content with no actual reward.
I got 3-3.1k-3.2k across DF, even across multiple characters because I love alts. Played beta and since all the S1 changes to gearing and M+ decided I was just getting portals and chilling the rest of the season.
The system is already falling apart and not worth your time. Its just not fun
had to stop playing m+ this season as a ww. dungeons are not fun, key level scaling is still broken, tank and healer shortage needs to be addressed in a positive way and many, many, many more points. i pugged my way to 3,6k during draonflight s3, always played up to +25 keys, but this season (and s2 df) is absolutely the worst its ever been (of all seasons i played, bfa s2 as a starting point).
Yeah man, I've been 3k for like 6 straight seasons. I just quit pushing. No point. More fun to hang out with friends. I def don't care about score anymore...gj blizz you win
@@sinnis4993 ww is complete ass, no shit u will think the season sucks when u get declined left and right and u deal negative dmg
Oh no, things will suck for tanks again :O
Brewmasters have lived in the suck for a long time now and we've learned to embrace it. Welcome to the club.
I main tank i think i will return after 2 or 3 months after s2 release. Thats when the dung and class will be a bit more tune for a normie like me.
Didnt happen in S1😂
I will do the same.
I'm thinking I'm doing the same. I tank. 3200+ most df seasons. This season was no fun. Not worth my time.
Yeah that's a good idea. I plan on doing this also
Meh I play only tanks for years in m+. Wont be better at 3 month mark. Changes are dogshit to already dogshit keys. Blizz wants delves to regin supreme. They phasing out m+.
Was a Brewmaster main, was doing like 13's 14's. Kinda felt like I just needed to quit the game entirely about 2 weeks ago. Sucks but every bit of news I see doesn't make me regret the move.
Same xD also Brewmaster here. Its like they doesnt even exist on their list. Why should ppl invite them to grps over a paladin
What is the Bw issue? I'm a returning player who just started playing tanks 2 weeks ago and so far (+4s) I like the Bw over Blood DK. I dont have comparison with other tanks.
@@WoodooChill+4 is not the problem, all tanks work at that level.
@@cesarandino931 ye, but what becomes the issue at higher difficulties with it?
I played a healer since bc. I quit this season and i dont even look in the rear view mirror. I still watch videos on wow and see hiw things r.....
Am I the only one who wants less mechanics, less punishing encounters, a more simple game in general? I might be getting old or just playing poe 2 for two weeks swayed me.
Then play classic
Moved on to pantheon for now. Having fun for early access game.
No you aren't. That's a big reason classic is so popular. Retail is just ADHD simulator
In reality you are not but retail is designed to be challenging and you can just do mythic 0 if you don’t want a challenge bud
@@lc7010 yeah probs i'm burnt out of chasing IO and meta and need to switch to casual gameplay
I love world of warcraft, I love raiding, and I love mythic plus…but I am getting so tired of waiting in failed m+ cues that it might be time to take a season off.
In DF I re-rolled dps from being a healer main since Legion and was doing 28s and it was fun while I tanked only 25s and healed 26s because it felt like a wall in PUG environment. In TWW I healed up to 13s and its not fun at all while doing 13s on dps is just a breeze and feels super easy and is fun. Each expansion and even season its been less and less fun to play tank/healer and every time I see new changes it just confirms it. Blizz need to wake up and stop making the game around pre-made world class tryhards.
Brewmasters: first time?
Less People are playing M+, especially Tanks and Healers.
Blizzard: Lets do more Tank Busters! Lets make more AoE Damage for Healers!
Seriously...what in the hell are they smoking?
Dust mite allergy is quite common and possible. Also the source is a pain to get rid of, e.g. via special bed sheets.
Love your videos and analysis Izen. usually I post a comment to complain about Blizzard, but this time I just wanted to say I stumbled on your channel some months ago, back when I was on a break from WoW but still watching videos on it (go figure lol), and I really appreciate the way you go through each update. Been a big fan for some time now. Happy new year sir!
I hope you weren't on a break from WoW just to play Diablo 4 though....
blizzard might have to start paying people to play tank or healer at this point
Or maybe the community perception and "influencers" need to change. Every single influencer is dooming over tanks and healers and the community just dooms with them and blindly follows every meta tier list for their pisslow +6 keys. This game's entire community is a bunch of sad little man babies and furry losers.
Ion has to go.
You do realize it's him who's in charge of all the changes?
@@Laptican That's exactly why he has to be removed.
@@realBarny that must've been the worst reason i have ever seen
@@Lapticanare you okay?
@@Laptican You having a stroke? Shall we call emergency?
Why make lives harder for the roles the game is clearly lacking?
Realy Good Video! :]
ah damn, I was off then, I was trying to make a really bad one to start 2025 on the right foot!
Honestly, anyone who's still tanking, especially in pugs, deserves whatever further punishment Blizzard has planned for tanks.
Im starting to think that the chubby, short purple haired they/them's dont know what theyre doing. I wonder how much money the shareholders would make if they just hired gamers to make the games
based af comment but it's okay they feel represented and all the main characters are girl bosses with feet for gooners.
Blizzard needs to rename these changes to "How we plan on chasing off even more Tanks and Healers," because this healer won't be doing M+ next season. As a H. Priest main this season was bad enough; but, I .refuse. to deal with the shit show that next season will be with H.priest turning into just another CD focused class (mY aPoThEoSiS!1!1! her der) coupled with the dungeon rotation they have planned.
It’s a very good season to skip. The only thing blizzard understands is money.
The hell, DF S3 was so good, what are they doing is beyond my comprehension.
They won’t get my subscription for sure.
Perhaps part of the reason it sucked was because you mained h priest
there are only few tank specs in the game and it is getting smaller until only one tank is optimal to use. Blizzard do not think of this shit. Queues are getting longer especially in dead hours. I would just suddenly be startled by the RDF because I just remembered that I queued and it was an hour that passed already.
Blizzard making it harder for the healers and tanks is so stupid. The burden of puzzle should be with the most number in group and that is the DPS. Dead tank or heal automatically means a wipe so why would they make it harder for the specs that are the foundation of the run.
I enjoy challenges, but I prefer pugging. It’s almost like Blizzard is forcing players to put on their headsets and form organized groups. Everyone knows that every single dungeon will be overturned at the start.
Blizzard at it again with their DEI hired wizards making changes NO ONE ASKED FOR
What type of brain rot comment is this lol.
Dude these dungeons are 2-3 expansions old. Blizzard got no reason to just leave them as they are.
People are just acting like the dungeons are gonna be absurdly hard without even having tried them yet in it's current tuning.
@@Laptican I mean I get it. I'm usually in the same boat. But after seeing the completion rate of the dungeons the beginning of this season being below 50% (GB, SoB and CoT hovering around 20-30%) its kinda hard to see all these changes as positives lol.. especially with nerfing tanks a ton at the start of the expansion. Im the type who likes challenges, don't get me wrong. I main healer and push keys. But having dungeons be at a all time low for completion only creates frustration in players and causes them to quit and makes group making even more picky when they're grabbing players for their party because they want people who know absolutely what theyre doing so they dont brick the key single handedly
Dei? 😅
It's what happens when your Headquarters is located in California
Darkflame Cleft is going to be ridiculously tedious just like on heroic, isn't it?
Would rather like to see a shared health pool / health link mechanic over the ramping storm version to deal with the "kill one skip mechanics" scenario...
Pretty much everyone i know and have played with in S1 hates the machinists bosses in Stonevault.
Toxic plus disappears up its own rear end .. yeahhh
BLIZZARD BUFF TANKS make Tanking more fun again so we have more Tanks
they just do the bare minimum to make it payable but there is zero effort to make it fun or even make more dungeons. Typical for big companies, slackers and incompetent managers
Blizzard is so incredibly gone deaf. Why take away already established mechanics and make them harder? A non dispellable enrage… like why?????
So... not aiming the real problems Minus one tank here, not coming back.
As a retired from raiding front page spriest, i cant even get into 12's, I wanted to do a whole season with no guild help/solo to see the pug experience. TL;DR is sucks @#$.
Tbh I'll get 2000 rating for mount is S2 and call it a day. Not happy with dungeon poll and changes and overall direction m+ is going
Im getting ksm for the mount and that's it. I hope other tanks join me in doing the absolute bare minimum and boycotting this crap
All these extra AoE damage will again stress the healers.
Healer main n im excited for s2
Do you play by any means a meta-gamba-push-random-buttons-class?
thanks
Blizzard already has a severe problem with M+. The reward to effort ratio is so far off that very few people care to do them. At all. Only the 0.5% of the population which are masochists enjoy this kind of content. Now they seem to want to make it even less likely players do Mythic +. Good luck Blizzard
Didn´t see anything in the last weeks that makes me wanna play m+ in S2. It is sad how aweful S1 was.
How about let us choose our own keystone instead of wasting 4 hours doing a bunch of garbage dungeons we've already timed just to PRAY we eventually get the key we NEED. On top of that keystone bricking should be gone PERIOD. Brick a +15? Ok go spend an hour in a 14 just to get another random key you don't want. Here at blizzard we value wasting your time. But they want you to randomly bring people into keys you dont need only to have that person brick them. They don't want pre-mades to shine
It would be a valuable addition but for higher keys mostly
It's fine if Casual Chris has to do an extra +7 because he didn't get invited to the Stonevault key he wanted
It's a bit worse when you team has no Stonevault +17 and has to now derank their other +17s, complete the +16s and hope to time them + have the new key turn into a Stonevault
@@Izenhartthat makes 0 sense. It’s ok to waste a guys time who only doing a 7 but don’t dare waste mine on a 17.. a little to entitled don’t you think. If it’s on for 1 it is ok for the other of not for 1 then not for both
No comment about currentcy? Just key levels? You all should chill because you get the same currentcy. Except now you will get more with a higher difficulty. So with currentcy changes what is the issue?
Yeah aftet clear get 2-3 Keys to pick
@@richardherman2754 You missed his entire point.... and doing anything below a 14 means there are 400 different groups and keys out there going on at all times. Once you get past 14, it is a barren wasteland of slim pickins as far as keys and groups are concerned. So yes, since Casual Chris has 10000x the chance to get into a 7 than one does into a 15, clearly it is fine. and @sarmstrong5549 we dont care about the currency. Some of us are sitting on 1000 gilded crests because that comes with pushing. We're tired of having our time wasted and disrespected. Blizzard thinks everyone is unemployed living in moms basement and has 12 hours a day to play and sit in group finder or repush a bricked key back up. Its disgusting and makes no logical sense outside of their main goal which is and always will be Subscription Stretching.
Remove timer or any other stupid limitation for m+. I dont enjoy them.
Already more than half way on requiting the game.
I really wonder what they are smokeing at Blizzard HQ... this for sure will be a season to quit WoW for 6 months until S3 comes aroud...
They made some good changes so far , 3 major issue that is killing the fun in the game for me . Same dungeons (and not even the fun ones) ,healers don’t do dmg(I m main healer ,and what made healer was fun and we could brag about our gameplay and dps , now it’s too little or it’s passive dps😢) some healer have so much tools compare to others and that’s causing too much trouble . Shaman to evoked . Their cc , interrupt, dispel , cheat death …. They are not in same category which made it unfair . I was doing +10s with 595 ilvl shaman while 626 ilvl monk had issues with 11.(for restoring shaman player , imagine you can only use “1” totem at the time ) that’s how bad design is . They need to dumb down the game cause most of players are old any class higher that has higher than 50 apm for them is too hard . They forced dps 1 season to use def and they left the game .
Healer damage was always a trash game play it always led to garbage healers who couldnt hit a heal because of "DAMAGE". It was toxic it was killing wow and it should never return you want to brag about healing and damage play a ret and wog people when the healer sucks.
Been getting 3k-3.3k io since bfa . Have all healer except priest(never liked them ) .i dont think you play healer . Healer not dpsing makes class boring unless you have bunch of deadbrain dps who dont know how to use def/interrupts . The higher content you play as healer is less healing(except some bosses) requires cause people can stop the dmg . It is the same reason disc priest became meta this season .
MY GOD!!! WHAT IS THAT??!! This looks REALLY bad, what the hell are they smoking?! The only somewhat reasonable reason for most of these changes would be "shit, the modern dungs look absoloutly dogshit, boss how do we make players not realise that? Make the old dungeons dogshit too!"
2/3 were already dogshit. Actively choosing keys we hated and making even more hateable
I can already see all the OnlyFans jokes in regards to the new dungeon, Operation: Floodgate.
people just wanna have fun... and now nobody is going to want to tank or heal.. im getting sick of wow, again
Tired of recycled content from Blizzard. They've nearly completed their expansion cookie cutter so they can autopilot even more.
I love theater of pain so im excited
Why are the devs in charge of these changes still hired just to make sure they kill the game off for good ??? Never thought i would say this but i want a refund on my game time i bought .Been playing since TBC every day on all expansions this is legit the biggest garbage expansion they did so far it really seems they listened to the community when they told them this is garbage gameplay and they need to change it but don't worry guys we got the shitty ring from siren isles that blizz used to give us the middle finger .
Wow, doubling down on the poor design choices that made the first season bad. Already cancelled my sub and won't be back unless they revert the tank changes. I been saying since the start TWW is a trash expansion, and everyone disagreed with me lol.
First
imagine complaining about m+ all day get 3k pls
Theater of Pain, is one of the worst dungeons to have ever graced the game. No idea why they would bring that one back. I on the other hand will not be returning this season.
izen you always say NOTHING in 20 minutes... doesnt matter how long the vid is it's always NOTHING
Then go make your own videos.