Classic Fresh - Which changes should be made?
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Hi people!
A few days ago, blizzard sent out a survey to random recipients asking about which things people would like to see changed for a potential re-release of classic. I personally believe classic fresh will come around in not too long, and hopefully with some changes for the better. Hope you're all having a blast in the burning crusade in the meanwhile!
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1. No worldbuffs in raids
2. Original AV with buffed honor
3. Nerf the shit out of mages AOE boosting low level characters
3. (a) Buff elite mobs so there will be no AOE farming of any elites
4. Delay content/patch release from 24 to 36 months for the sake of casuals!
The real way to fix this is lowering kill exp and buffing quest exp. it sucks for legit grinders but it is what it is unfortunately.
@@TMFW They can just heavily nerf xp if a player in the group is more than 7-8 levels higher than you. I dont think ending boosting is something they care about though.
you will find all of this on the new fresh vanilla private server called Darrowshire. release 30.07.2021
@@randy9046 I'd hate to see elites out of reach for all classes. They were good xp to solo as a druid with rested xp
This is open world elites though
One simple Ragnaros change would be to not have his submerge phase on a timer, but based on the percentage of his hp. Imo a good change would be make it activate on something like 60 percent HP and at 20 percent again, giving us 2 submerge phases. Extremely easy/very little effort to do, and makes the Ragnaros fight so much more interesting and harder.
Honestly I'm excited for a fresh. Everyone rattles on about blizzard screwing up classic. While not all the decisions were great it was the players who messed up classic with their mentality. I don't see most of those people coming back for another round.
I don’t think the players messed up classic. Everyone knew world buffs were a huge issue before classic.. nothing was done. Mage boosting could of been handled wayyy better and would of had a huge impact on levelling, gold buying and botting.
@@Greg-gy7cd "would have". Sorry i'm triggered
The majority of players will play it the exact same way. I'd want blizz to make some changes to save the players from themselves.
Late I know. But yes we screwed up classic we went hard no changes then continued to exploit the shit out of the game.
@@Greg-gy7cd agreed.
My number 1 gripe with classic would be world buffs followed by debuff limit as a close second.
As someone who plays both classic and retail I think 1 year before total server wipes is a bit short.. but I can understand why Classic-only players might like that - although I'd expect them to get tired of it after like 2 wipes.
Having to re-level the same classes for several months each year would probably suck by the 3rd or 4th reset.
Classic Vanilla HC i would defo play it again if they did that
Blizzard could ease the pain of leveling alts by applying an xp buff for each max rank character you have on your account. So you reach level 60 on your main and want to start an alt. When you login as your new alt, let's say you'd get a 10% xp buff and a care package from blizzard with some greens and small bags. It'd give you a head start on your journey, but it wouldn't be unfair because you already have a max level character. Leveling all of your alts for days at a time does suck. It severely time gates content in the game, which burns a lot of players out, who then quit for less demanding games. The xp buff could also be increased for each 60 you have, further incentivizing the player to continue leveling alts because it would be easier each time, capping at a certain percentage, say, 30-50%xp buff.
But Blizzard would rather just sell you boosts for $40-60 because it makes them more money.
I would rather see fresh TBC servers.
me and my brother would play for sure and some of my friends would probably try it out
18months.
Lvl is great!!
No worldbuff pls
For myself, I want a longer wpvp phase and single server battlegrounds.
Hopefully the designation of a wpvp server is better understood after classic.
Personally, I think the main things for me were:
1) Finding a better way to handle phase 2 world PVP rollout. It was admittedly miserable for some.
2) Definitely clear raid buffs upon entering raid instance.
3) Nerf things like raid XP farming. This ruined the leveling experience on some servers after it became prominent. I don't think it provides much value except for those who want to pay to skip leveling. I know you're partial to this because you made videos on it but I think its a clear net negative on the social health of some servers.
Hot take: I wouldn't mind maybe doing some SLIGHT tweaking on the meme specs to make them SLIGHTLY more viable. The whole 30 warriors per raid thing was kind a whack. People might be less inclined to min max like that if there were a wider array of specs to bring. Upping the debuff slots, as you pointed out, would help with this as well.
Twenty things I could think of...
1. Introduce a new currency that drops from raid bosses. Then create an NPC in every raid that sells world buffs for one of this currency. The buff last the standard time, and fades upon death or leaving the raid. This way Hardcore raiders get it, casuals can get it, and it's not a server spam ban on someone who ganks the horde MC'r in Stormwind while resetting an Ony head.
2. Yea Original AV with buffed honor would be awesome.
3. I like helping lowbies out, but sadly it was abused Far too much. Lower kill exp to piss water if there is a 9+ level discrepancy between the two highest characters in a group.
3(a). Note that this will likely positively impact characters attempting to twink.
4. Make an in game obtainable item like an Exp potion to increase exp gain for 1-2 hours (persist through death). Make it required level 60 to buy, and make it bind to account. Buyable with a non-raid required currency or method. Preferably not raw gold either.
5. Increased gathering nodes in open world.
6. A Massive crack down on botting. Like...seriously.
7. Remove raid lockouts. In that you can enter fresh raids you have already completed, and just not get any BoP boss loot. I love healing raids and hated that I couldn't be everywhere when we were short players. You can only level so many characters, their profs, and gear them just to help out a guild, or pug runs. Yes some of us will show up to raids even though there is 0 chance of loot. Rep however...I could go either way on.
8. Give paladin's a taunt or a maelstrom weapon effect in Prot's seal of light for heals. Paladins don't have a taunt because they can heal, but casting heals removes all block/dodge/parry.
9. Add custom sets for raid gear. Remove the raid Tier drops, and give tokens. Make Tier drops workable for all specs. Rather than multiple classes vying for the same robes and waiting for T3 at the end of the expansion. Looking at you Palies, Druids, Shamans..
10. Increase the amount of main professions a single character can learn. We're all going to have 5-8 characters just to be alchemist sitting at level 35 waiting for arcanite transmutes anyway.
11. Increase a single stack size of arrows/bullets. Paying for the ammo should be enough of a punishment for being a lolhunter. More ammo per stack just reduces the bag space used and decreases the chance of a hunter running out mid raid.
12. Earn gold at faster rates. Raw gold drops from humanoids could be mildly increased. This is to off set the costs of repairs, mounts/training, trade goods, and the 100 candles needed for 1 AQ40 run.
13. Insta-bans on people buying and selling said gold for real currencies.
14. Tweak tank specs to give deep prot tank classes a reason to Go prot. Increased threat gen, or extra damage mitigation. Changes made to Talents and not classes. Requiring you to commit to deep tank specs for the buffs.
15. Give us Dual-spec. Even with the Wrath 1,000 gold cost. On low pop servers on both Vanilla Classic, and TBC Classic a hybrid class will hit the gold cap quickly just trying to be helpful, or a healer wanting to solo viably. And rather than the players paying raw gold to make up for servers spread too thin; make the one time lump sum an option.
16. Add a PvP resilience stat to PvP gear that only affects players in BGs, Arenas (if applicable) and the NPC’s in BGs. Nothing worse than absolutely stomping the opposing team then not having a PvE geared tank for a boss in AV. While you ‘can’ cheese it with no generals and enough healers. It would be simpler to just allow any PvP geared player who can hold threat to not get two shot for not being the correct PvE geared class/spec.
17. Add summoning stones at dungeon entrances. While not a Big change, it would save more groups from disbanding simply for the length of time to all get to the dungeon.
18. Reduced raid rewards for third party software users. Gonna catch some flak for this one for sure. But I just can’t stand the people using DBM, an addon that literally screams at you and plays sirens when you need to move out of fire, complaining about raids being too easy. If you want a harder raid, have your entire raid drop the addons. DBM, Weakauras, PallyPower, Recount, Worldbuff timers, Questie, Atlasloot, hell even Elvui. Don't blame blizz for a raid being too easy or you're getting through content too quickly if you have some addon telling you when to have a silence or interrupt up, or when a tentacle is spawning, or when to move away from a mechanic.
19. A mild increase to some raid drops. While many players will likely move on to alts or quit once they get their BiS. Many other players like to feel powerful, and top charts in weaker content. Just for the sake of feeling strong.
20. Hire more GM's to just hang out and look around the world for obvious botters. Like flying dwarfs....And nuke their accounts.
A talent rework for “useless specs” would be enjoyed a lot
1. No world buffs in raids
2. NERF the exp from high level chars boosting lower level ones
3. Ban the BOTS!
That's the bare minimum. But personally, I'd like them to go a little further
4. No alts on the same server. (or at least have a server where this is a rule)
5. Rebalancing of the undisputably trash talents. Blizz will have internal stats on which talents are almost NEVER picked. Likewise, some talent trees could use some buffing and/or additional talents(draw some from TBC?) to make them at least viable. But this would require care, to keep them from being too strong. I"m skeptical current Blizz is willing or capable of handling this in a good way.
If they switch the low res tree texture I may consider it
Regarding Raids, they should use the Heroic switch so that you can do "Original" and "Plus".
Removing world buffs in Raids would also be very effective.
WotLK class changes, rebalanced for 60. No world buffs in raids. Increase in gathering nodes. Economy rebalance. A serious commitment to dealing with bots. That's the minimum it would take for me to consider starting a new subscription.
Server pops have always gone down for the summer, not only in this game but in every game. People are spending a lot more time outside.
Noooo! I'M THE TOKEN NIGHT ELF DRUID (stay playing Tauren :P)
Original level 60 epic mounts pls
Fresh classic with world buffs: Hard pass. Not gonna go back and farm my hide off for it again.
Fresh classic without world buffs: Yes! People asking if Naxx can be cleared without world buffs...well increase debuff limit IF so.
As for the time before new server. Make it ATLEAST 12 months. People don't have 12 months 24/7 time to play. Many of us got IRL responsibilities. Work, kid(s), partner etc.
We're not 15yo anymore unlike in Vanilla. I was the odd ball in Vanilla being 25yo then, 41 today. I think the 21-22 months we had in Classic is still best.
Honestly, I have zero interest in playing through Classic again if class balance is left the way it was. The "roll warrior or forget about it" meta is no fun, not even for warriors because of the insane levels of loot competition introduced.
losing wbuffs would fix that issue
also some changes should be made on R14 system.
come play on darrowshire fresh vanilla private server launching 30.07.2021
Classic + content defo something I'd like, but the harder content the hybrids and maybe hunters/locks should get some kinda TBC like love other wise is would be a mage/warr fiesta, haha oh also no weird MTX BS :D.
LOL #SomeChanges
11:00 That is the point. They want to reduce time from over year to 6months.. so faster gear = faster progress.
Take away world buff and give some kind of buff to more diverse raid groups.
Classic raiding difficulty is fine if you dont have world buffs.
i always get hate for the changes i'd like to see in classic and the only way i'd play it again, but here's my list:
1) drop the damn world buff meta. that alone will increase the difficulty of the raids
2) balance the classes. i can't believe i even get hate for this one but i do. make each spec viable, let's see tank pallys in raids, all they need is a damn taunt for example.
3) provide gear for all the classes/specs and increase the loot a little. i can't remember how much gear does drop in vanilla raids, but it should be at least 1 pc per 10 people and honestly closer to 1 pc per 5 people. that's one thing i hate about raiding gruul and mag, 2 pieces for 25 fucking people. anyone saying that's too much loot needs to remember it's still random. even at 1pc per 5 people in kara we have most people about 1/2 geared or a little more 7 weeks into raiding because RNG can and does suck.
4) actually fix the botters and boosters. i had 0 problem with the 1 level 58 boost per account in TBC classic purely because it didn't make sense to me to hate that while saying it's ok to have mages boost you. it's literally the same thing, you're not earning your levels so what's the difference? cash grab by blizzard or cash grab by gold sellers if you choose to say "but blizzard is greedy".
everything from here on is a nice to have
5) summoning stones, for obvious reasons
6) add in a few more flight paths like they did for TBC, like the second one in duskwallow and stranglethorn
7) toss in some more quests in a few of the zones, like mudsprocket in duskwallow. there are times in classic where i feel like i have to bounce around the map because i can do half the quests in darkshire before they are suddenly 3 levels higher so i do half the quests in the wetlands and back and forth getting those quests done. i also remember some people getting to near 60 and not quite having enough quests to level cap. you shouldn't have to just flat grind xp.
For me the biggest issue of classic was the pacing and balance of the game. Having zones so far apart, with hubs going in 3 different directions, with quests in a random zone being stupid easy, moderate and near impossible solo all at the same time, with gear that was irrelevant to almost all classes and specs (strength on cloth, anyone?)... it was just hard and slow. Speeding up the cycle I think would be a good thing, and help blemish over the ridiculous padding of classic, where so, so much of your time is spent walking from quest hub to quest area, and that's assuming a flight point is nearby, which most of the time it wasn't. There was a reason they completely shook up the old world in Cataclysm, and it wasn't just for flying or to make things "new and fresh".
I'm not saying make it easy or make it a cake walk, I am saying that it just gets so, so boring when 1/5th of your time is just spent walking or flying to the next zone with either nothing in between, trash you could farm to take out the boredom while dragging out the travel time, or just trying to avoid all the mobs trying to daze you on the way, just because they could. :-(
the answer is " NO "
i leveled like 40 characters in retail to the respective max level at their time.
i leveled 3 classes in Vanilla and im about to have leveled 6 classes in TBCC.
i am not going to level / start all over once again - tbc is overall more balanced and has better itemazation so whats the point in downgrading
make so those who pay gold for boost in dungeons or raids dont get loot if the other are overgeard
Fresh when?
they need to fix talent trees and memespecs, make raids harder.
At least give pallys an attack, just one
My only real complaint is hunter ammo bags. I don't like having on of my bags taken up by arrows. I'd like it if it were made into a key ring type bag but not removing the need for ammo.
I think the only thing that would make me return to classic is enough players playing on the launch again, that first month of classic was the most fun i've probably had in any game in 15 years
I want to be able to spam dungeons to level, not returning to classic if that isnt meta or there arent enough players to be able to do it
Nothing else really matters to me
I would Return
Phase 7
Ban bots?
The memories of making the ragnaros hammer! Good old deep-prot specc kekW 😂😂
Nerf dungeon XP, you kill spell-cleave meta and mage boosting with one simple change. LMFA0
they will just boost on southsea pirates and other shit in the open world.. fuck frost mages tho for real.
Streamar du något på Twitch fortfarande?
Nja, eftersom jag inte riktigt kan göra det kontinuerligt så har jag avstått från det helt och hållet. inte riktigt känts lönt att göra det någon dag här och där
@@neceriumcloudes5381 Fan vore ju kul att få snacka med dig igen på streamen.
^you talk about the summoning stones. they already are open to summon people
They are open in TBC, this entire video is talking about vanilla/classic.
Probably will just play rogue and hunter and casual pvp. No more paladins lol or raiding.
raid are two easy
Eliminate mage boosting and bots
I'd play classic again if there were a lot of quality of life changes from wolk, including making ret Paladin playable.
Hello, i hope for fresh HC classic with no other changes, that will go to tbc ^^
Fix broken specs, and you sold me...
Add a mechanic to all bosses pre naxx
The answers no
Level boost? No . Do you not see the impact boosted char have on both era and tbc??
itemization was shit in vanilla. talent trees were a mess too. I will take the tbc talents and itemization for vanilla tho.
No, I don't want to play classic as it was ever again
what I really want is classic+, a classic that is NOT as the old game, better class balance, better boss encounters, more content (why the F not), updated models and graphics, no world buffs, bots deleted, boosting deleted, the concept of expansion revamped to not make old raids useless, TRANSMOGS, fix loot tables, more side games that is not PVP then keep BUILDING on top of it, how about a different LORE timeline!
the game needs to be nuked down and started over cleaner and better, learn from FF14
but yeah blizzard went on the made TBC just like 15 years ago, same old same fking old
bro classic gameplay with retail graphics would be SO GOOD
Allow learning all professions
stop troll plz
Fix PvP and id be interested :) imagine arena for classic?!
main problem with classic to me was there wasn't any way to actually play the game, do PvE=log out to keep your raidbuff, PvP=afk or kill afkers because of premades. should definitely remove the honor system first thing.
Add jc and tbc talents
thats classic dude not tbc
Helll naw
Activision does not want players they want the whales they got. Profits are up lol
Dont make content harder..Make NEW content.