Tank services in TBC - The good, bad & ugly
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- Hi people,
Felt like there was a few things worth saying about this somewhat controversial matter. Every now and then I offer tank services, and responses vary. Some just say yes or ok, probably happy to finally have a tank, meanwhile others respond less happy. Tanks selling services has been around for quite some time, but many still dislike it. Many likely find it greedy overall. Anyway, hope you enjoy the video. Speaking about the video, I find the editing of the footage the most annoying out of the entire process of making a video, so in the future i'm considering putting more focus into the voice & script, and less into editing. The videos will be more suitable to have running in the background or on your 2nd screen while doing something else on the main screen. Such as clearing karazhan for the eighth time.
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"Lf geared tank to come to a 5 man that he doesn't need anything in out of the kindness of his heart" yeah right
You joke but alot of people on my server think that way
But that’s the issue. Tanks get geared much faster than dps since you’re the only one rolling on that gear in each group. They (the dps) helped you get your gear and now you’re ‘too good for them’ to help them get gear. Just a more selfish way of playing the game
@@bakerfx4968 Lmao, how many dps do you see joining groups once they got all their gear? None, just like the tanks? Wow, it's almost like both the dps and the tanks think the same way!!! crazy!!!
@@undertyped1 I see more geared dps joining groups than geared tanks by a lot. Geared tanks will only join if you pay them
@@bakerfx4968 Sure you do. I'm sure the dps going for Quags eye in heroic slave pens will still spam heroic slave pens even after getting their eye.
As a tank main I like to advertise selling for 1 copper to annoy the other sellers, the amount of angry whispers I get is hilarious, "stealing their gold" "being a moron because I can charge more", love it.
Ok im gonna do this. I love this idea
Ehh, either you're trolling and not really running or you are doing runs to help randoms for free. Shit deal for you either way
I have started offering my tanking services for dungeon green drops as most just greed and i can dc them for mats that will sell for more
It def makes sense for something like a prot warrior too, since they aren't great for farming. Might as well get a little money doing what you do best
But the ain't grate at tanking dungeons either 😂
You act like you are restricted to a single class or spec.
lmao just make a farming alt like Huntard or mage
It does make sense, but I used to heal a prot warrior who mined in that spec and had a hunter to farm as well. I don't want to farm just to pay for respecs, so I have a hunter to fund my holy priest. I'd use a mage but I'm too lazy to AoE farm and don't have time to level a paladin.
No time for farming gold in dead game rather take 50g for dungeon
The idea of players hating tanks that ask for payment, while simultaneously complaining there's aren't any tanks, is absurd. The shortage is because tanks dont need those dungeons. If they dont need it, why would they come. This is why tanks are hard to find
well, same counts for healers in 5man dungeons - 1 healer - 1 tank - why would the healer come if he needs nothing from that dungeon?
@@Me0wG4ming the thing is it's a 4 to 3 ratio of healer to tank classes. Also gearing their dps specs can be overlapped with healing gear. Tanks have nearly no overlapping gear (maybe druid tanks?)
@@Me0wG4ming there are way more healers than tanks. Simple as that
It's like restaurant customers constantly whining about long waits and short staff while not only refusing to pay more, trying to scam every little bit they can.
im a dudu tank in fairbanks
Wait 1hr to find a tank or pay.If he is well geared and run is smooth i wouldnt mind.This or suck a guildie to tank for you....
Im a rogue and I pay tanks for every run. It doesnt bother me because i can stealth farm for a ton of gold and my class is one of the less desirable dps. I think people who say tanks are selfish for charging are actually the ones being selfish. It sucks to be a tank and without them the game will die. So pay your selfless brothers and sisters who take the hits for you so you can pump on the meters, hell even give the healer a little tip too if you are feeling generous!
No, this is the wrong behavior to allow.
@@Posted448 so mad
I actually like having a rogue with me, sap is cool when you have no mages with you.
At 70 I tank WC, ST & other dungeons not used for boosting, just because I feel sorry for the resto druid spamming in LFG for 30 mins. I enjoy those old dungeons. The TBC stuff is so linear and dull, I just go along as an OT and let the poor MT deal with the boomkins that spam starfire nonstop on any target not marked with a skull. Some days those resto druids remember me and throw me aome d/e scraps ;) wouldn’t have it any other way. The dungeon can’t be done without a full team, I charge nothing, I pay nothing. Do it for fun, make money irl. 👍🏼
I play two tanks (War/Pally) and do 5 mans all day. Tanking sucks in TBC and it's DPS and Healers that make it suck.
healers make small mistakes in comparison but not using ur toolkit and utility must be nr 1 on the annoying list.
if it wasnt for the dmg dealers, tanking wouldnt even be That bad
I have no problem paying tank/heals 50-75g for services. I will not pay in rep mats or boe's. The one downside is it isn't a guarantee the tank will be serviceable. But here are a few reasons why I think tank services are a thing more than other classes.
1. Dps are a dime a dozen.
2. Tanking pugs requires dealing with LOTS of BS.
3. Tanking requires a certain amount of knowledge and leadership skill that other roles don't. That doesn't mean dps/heals are brainless. But tanking requires pulling crap out of your butt to avoid wipes more than any other role.
4. The modern dps meta sucks. LoL. Don't get me wrong, we've gotten way better at the game. But from tanking 10+ years ago to tanking now is a HUGE difference. Tanks nowadays have to have so much patience/anger management skills. The moment my druid tank charges, there are 20 seeds and a blizzard going and I've only got so many CDs, interrupts, etc. Dps now is less likely to IB, FD, shatter, fade, etc. I can attest to this as my main is a geared shadow priest. In raid, all dps dies way more than I do. I know how to watch my own threat and fade/pause dps as needed. It's twice as bad in 5 man pugs. Just wait 2-3 seconds for your tank to get SOME aggro. Sure you might finish your dungeon 2-3 minutes faster if you don't. But more than likely you'll wipe/die once or twice , killing any time savings you might have had.
this mans hit it spot on, not at pugs are created equal if you are running into a pug you dont know if youre repair bill is gonna be 1g or 40g it just depends on the people playing and why stress my self out for randoms?
And the sad thing is only a small portion of the zugzugs are really considering they want to speedrun via outburst dps. The most are braindead rota max dps fetishists without a clue about aggro managment. Because aggro is tank job, isn't it?
I play a pally (all specs) and have not charged for a dungeon, but I've strongly considered it. If I'm not already prot spec for raid night and see "LF Tank", I don't want to respect to it (50g) then back (another 50g) to go back to what I was doing, like farming, questing, or pvp. I suspect this is true for a lot of tank class players.
Exactly. I know for a fact that with dual spec Id be tanking a hell of a lot more dungeons on my Ret to get gear and attunements done.
Im not saying it would alleviate the tank shortage completely, it exists in Retail after all. But the barrier to entry with respeccing and even gear is simply too high. It was a lot easier for even a DPS warrior to just slap a shield on and tank in Classic.
@@islayprettylies9485 yeah, we seriously need dual spec, it would honestly fix soooooo much... levelling a paladin to gold farm atm, shouldn't be tooooo bad with that but as a warrior good god the respeccing is crippling and it's easy to get stuck in 1 spec...
It's annoying but supply and demand is a thing
I main a tank, and if I stand around in a city for more than a few minutes, I get PMs for people asking if I can tank a dungeon. I'm raid geared, and need almost nothing from a dungeon at this point so I have very little desire to spend 20-40 minutes of my life doing a 5 man. But for 50g, I might be willing too.
Tanks do have much higher repair bills that other classes.
Tanking is a chore.
Been tanking for 9years now it’s not changed.
The whole selling tank service is in demand on my server and quite frankly I’m all in for it. Let’s put it out there I’m a prot war. Not the best dungeon tank but I’m really geared.
Let’s dig into the nitty gritty.
Typically as a warrior the second you have charged in all hell has broke loose from dps. Their going in full send. Mean while you have just landed your thunderclap and shield block to follow so you don’t get clapped. And the rotation to follow after etc etc.
Believe me the dps have a retail wow mentality majority of them. Full send on pull tank can deal with it all. Except the fact that threat is generally the top issue as to why it’s a pain.
I personally don’t even run services because the type of people that need it are typically not geared either and your running that dungeon slow. I get it it’s a paid service your dps can walk around naked and your expected to put up with dogshit dps. Because let’s be honest the geared dps aren’t interested in doing dungeons either. They raid and farm gold.
So it’s very rng when doing these services sometimes yes you’ll make profit. Other times you’ll break even because your grp needs God instead of a tank
I'm a tank, and I often will pay healers. 50g for an entire run is absolute chump change, I have mining and engineering so I can get like 300+ gold per hour. If a tank offers to run a dungeon he doesn't want for 50g, you're getting an insane deal. How is it ok that a mage can ask for 25g PER PERSON PER 15mins for a friggin boost, but a hard heroic dungeon for 50g? Must be the greedy tank.
considering how stupid most dps is in TBC, I wouldn't tank a pug unless there's gold involved. Tanks who do it for free are suckers
Tanking is generally more work and more responsibility than other roles so it makes sense to charge for tanking or to get extra rewards for your efforts. Tanks also tend to spend more gold on consumes, grenades/bombs, and repairs, not to mention farming gold and doing battlegrounds in their spec is not very efficient or effective. Every role is important and deserves rewards, but people who are mad about tanks charging sometimes seem to have an elevated sense of entitlement imo. Good video, props to all the tanks putting up with BS!
Well said. I did boost a pallie to support my mage farming lol. As I learned a paladin, and did my first runs it was an absolute nightmare of dps constantly crapping on me for even a single error and screaming what I was doing wrong. I rarely needed or got anything from pugs except for anger and hatred of pugs. My abilities as a tank are great now but it might be even worse with dps coooonstantly rushing, pulling threat before I am near a boss or mobs, most often when I’m oom. As it stands now I am duo soloing everything with my pallie and mage and Druid. It’s not worth the expense and headache getting other ppl their gear.
For me, it is important when selling, that my customers are happy, so i always advertize "payment at the end of the run".
Since my runs are often silky smooth and fast, this actually ends up earning me tips on top of the agreed ammount, maybe 15% of the time. I consider this a win-win, since the buyer gets a guarantee of the tanking service being worthwhile and complete, and i get to showcase how great my "product" is, before payment, which drastically shifts the perception of how valuable it is.
It is also a very nice ego boost to have repeat customers, who tip above standard rates on a regular basis.
Yeah man im the same
I allways take all at start cuz at end i meet ppl who just left on end inst even when they item drops.
Nice approach :-) What do you charge for dungeons?
@@sausagebag 50/100 tank 35/70 heal both 5xt4 and craft gear
@@sausagebag I charge 80 for heroics, full bis feral tank. Normally goes silky and that's why I get people who come back.
It's supply and demand. If you don't like it, don't pay for it. The thing is that enough ppl do to where it's here to stay
Honestly, that makes me miss the bonus satchel that tanks and healers get in Retail, everyone comes out happy and the DD are not even aware that someone got something extra out of it. I hate whoring my services in a chat window like tanks (and enchanters, since bliztard wasn't bright enough to make their goods portable until WOTLK). Some call that social, I call it primitive. But since I don't want Dungeon Finder in BCC, I guess I'll stick to tanking only dungeons that I need for pre-BIS, and enchant only myself. Perhaps they'll make a compensation quest for completing a dungeon with mostly tank talent points like the Alliance gets for battlegrounds, after all, bliztard has already fucked Boosting Crusade Classic in the ass the hardest they could with the Dick Portal Pass and the pay-to-win mount, zug versus zug, and loot trading in Heroic.
As a very geared prot pally who needs no drops/badges from any heroic, the closest I've come to charging is "tanking for nethers". Only reason I've done that was to make pvp gear and resistance gear for the other tanks in my guild. Once I don't need nethers, i have no reason to ever set foot in 5 man content again unless helping guildies/friends.
Once more and more tanks start getting to that point, and spending their time in pve/dps spec until raid night like me, there will be less and less dungeon pugs going and tank services will become much more common to see. If I don't need anything, I don't know you, why should I play content I don't need with you unless there's something in it for me?
P.S whispering random tanks you don't know and complaining when they refuse to tank your dungeon gets you on their ignore list, and the tank drought gets worse for you.
Yup!! I get that all the time. My main is a shadow priest and my alt is a druid tank. Constant whispers "can you heal x", "can you tank y"? When I say "no I'm shadow" I get laughed at about 50% of the time. Like... "MF ... I'm usually top 2 dps in 10 man's and top 5-7 dps in 25 man's". I constantly parse in the top 15 spriests on the server. I ignore those guys. Then if I say I'm busy on my tank, I get offered gold or begged. Attunements won't finish themselves. Epic flying gold won't farm itself. And engineering, as most good tanks are, and herbalism don't pay great on my server.
Recently on my tank someone offered me 50g to tank, i was feeling generous so said that if we wipe mroe than once i will take the payment... otherwise they could keep it.
The logic was: make sure you not wasting my time, and considering i got a repair bill.
Bring in dual spec and it will fix the healer and tank drought.... blizzard are so dumb.
As a tank, I quit because blizzard hasn't releasing a TBC classic. So that would further cement my decision.
I am a highly skilled tank with good gear. I set my price as all unwanted blues, all greens + lockboxes. Passing on Nether and greeding on epics (mostly because I can't disenchant it with low skill). To me that is a really good deal both for me and the group. No upfront cost for the group, and I get my rewards on a per boss level, and usually a higher rewards in form of more drops from last boss.
Had next to no complaint on that price structure, sure there are people just refusing to reward my time just out of principal, but there are also people that is thankful for my service and good payment structure :)
This is actually a good idea. I'm going to steal it
Let me put it this way. Why should I come tank for you which is usually unpleasant in a pug ,losing out on farming gold in the process? If I can farm 300g per hour in the world, why would I come tank a crappy pug for 50 gold? It's not even fun to tank for guildies but I do it for free. After tanking several dungeons per day for the guild, the last thing I want to do is tank for your pug.
Well said. This is the real reason. Pugs are braindead, and you lose money and sanity by tanking for them.
That makes sense actually fair enough.
I'm a prot pally and honestly I've never been a fan of any type of tipping..what makes 1 players time worth more? Even if the run is pontless gearwise...you still get unwanted items to sell, random boes, and badges for future use
And don’t forget the social part ^^ The grp chat can be worth more than some gold imo :D
@@dr.dudemeister7013 fuck the group. I want the money!
@@mikeyrobinson5355 And because of that mindset MMOs are dead today. The selfishness of the playerbase became worse every year, and today, nobody cares about the Multiplayer part of MMOs. Its a singleplayer with humans instead of AIs
@@dr.dudemeister7013 fuck mmos too. If they're dead because I want to be compensated for doing something that is completely useless for me, then so be it. RIP
Keep that in mind when youre paying someone for a gem cut or enchant.
Supply and demand, im making a killing selling Prot Pala Strath runs. General price is 15g a run but I ask for 25g, there's plenty of customers.
It’s interesting how tanks in other games have it. I main a tank in FF14 (Dark Knight) and tipping is very rare. Part of it is that you rarely group with people from your own server unless you premade, but the game itself pays tank and healers (or even DPS) depending on what’s needed via Adventurer in Need.
During expansion launches, though, that changes. The majority of players want to level DPS jobs first, and tanks become very rare for the first month or two. I have been paid to join someone for no other reason than the jump the queue. However, I don’t advertise my services UNLESS I intend to do the content myself. Even then, I don’t demand payment for doing so, and leave it up to the player if they feel a tip is warranted. Except healers, you should always do what you can for your healer.
Honestly, FF14 has found a method that really helps out underplayed roles. Yes, I am expected to “lead” the group, know the pulls, know the mechanics to keep dps uptime, make the run fast and clean. However, my queue time is normally instantaneous and I get double the money if tanks are needed. People often will “comm” you (give you a commendation, with enough of them you unlock titles and mounts as well as Mentor) as well.
I played FF14 aswell and did some dungeon leveling with my Warrior GnB and Paladin but you cant compair those games at all. Tanking 5 man in ff14 is putting on your tank stance running through half the dungeon hitting them once with your aoe use some cds and aoe them down and now continue this process. TBC heroics are way harder. Normal Mops Hit you in some cases by 20% of your HP for each Hit. Aggro is still a Thing you allways competing against healers and dps. If you Lose aggro and the mop hit the dps or heal they are most of the time oneshot. What i want to say is if you dont need anything from that dungeon why would you run it for 40 - 60 min with a random Group you dont know for rewards you dont care. Sry for my bad english i am not a native speaker.
The joke is how easily dual spec could be implemented and how much it would address the tank/healer shortages.
No the joke is fools like you play a role playing game but do not want to play a role.
There's a healer shortage? Maybe I should sell my services then lol
I want triple spec
@@ryapowa there's absolutely a healer shortage for hcs
@@mikeyrobinson5355 Yeah I just wouldn't know because I am a healer and the tank shortage on my server is really bad
You said it best. Why hold all the responsibility for the group, being a sub-par tank, when you can be a much more forgiven sub-par dps?
Yeah it always seemed that tank burn out was an unfortunate effect of someone who randomly picked warrior at the character select boss
as a Fury warrior who rarely gets invited to raids or heroics because of lack of CC or just because of indoctrination by meta guides I was forced to respecc into Prot and reserve the Dps gear (or primal nethers) I need for my main spec as its the only way to get them.
pay a small fee for a ok/good tank VS wait 1hour for a tank with a gray shield and Titan grip? If something is in high demand, they can set a price. its arguable to say that a tank is a guide of sorts aswell, or "flow leader", making the run smooth, handling unruly people (hopefully) in a polite and just manner.
Not many people want the role as its "not as fun" as a DPS. but can be as stressful as a healers role when the DPS BLASTS ALL THIER CD on trash when tank isn´t even close to e´m, or pulls a pat, whom rushes healer that had a HOT up. Having alot of mobs scatterd is no fun when you only have one or two taunts. Tanking can be summarize into, its like babysitting the hyperactive DPS while trying to keep mom/dad healer sane/alive
A service is only worth what people are willing to pay. Not what you try to make people pay.
It seems to me that too many people play the game to get gear, and not enough play the game to be geared. I like the idea of being a geared tank and rocking in dungeons, seeing how far my character has grown with each piece of gear. Making pulls tighter, and cleaner. Everyone seems so caught up on it's a chore, or I don't get anything from it, or repair cost. Instead of playing the game. Enjoying your hard work, and just killing some things in a dungeon. Yes even after the 500th run. Or playing as a healer, and watching a max rank renew and prayer of mending keep a tank going for 3-4 groups at a time. Feeling like the demigods our characters are aspiring to be. For whatever reason not enough people enjoy playing the game. They race to the end, carried by boost, bots, bought gold, websites, addons and yell I'm done! There is no content! So boring! Well congratulations, in your bid to race to the end you have full BiS and are bored. And you've missed the whole game while you sat in Scarlet Monastery or Zul Gurub waiting for the 70 to say 'Come loot'.
That said, I can understand compensating a player for their time. We have lives, and many of us aren't the kids playing after school they were when the game launched. But it's a game. If you can't make a compromise about time to play, time to work, and chores, and life; vs time in the game. Maybe an MMO isn't what you should be playing. Maybe something more fast paced, less expansive, and more plug and play. Jump in, have some fun, jump out. Earning BiS on a large expansive game should be a time sink. Because it's okay not to achieve everything in the game because you have a life. It's okay to take your time and play a game and not have to optimize every moment on it. It's okay to be behind the curve and in a dungeon set instead of full T4. So long as you're having fun with the time you allot to the game.
Maybe if players stopped trying to optimize everything, and just played the game we wouldn't see players with full servers of alchemist for transmute cooldowns. Or metas for spellcleave runs only, or next to zero class diversity. (Looking at you seed of corruption) Players punish other players by not optimizing they're game time. And we end up with servers full of bored geared players, who skipped the entire game so they could run around jumping randomly in a main city complaining that there is nothing to do.
If the game is too easy, and there is nothing to do. Make a new character. Something non-meta. Maybe try a class you haven't played often, or at all. Turn off your addons All of them, turn off looking for group chats, don't take boost, don't send yourself gold, or bags, or consumables. Don't buy a mount till forty. Level only with random people you meet. Work with people you're own level. Help at least one person lower level than you with a quest a day. Don't use wowhead, or wow-professions, or any other website for help. Take your time and play the game. Stop measuring your progress with your level, item level, or BiS pieces. Don't even look up your class best talents, or BiS. Do it for a week, and then look back and see what you did. Did you meet someone new? Did you have to figure out a quest on your own? Did you have to solo something your own level, or did you need to out level it first? Hell make a myspace, take screenshots to post there and make a new character blog or something. "Didn't level today, but managed to kill a Son of Arugal with a random warrior named x, and a rogue named y."
Stop trying to finish the game and just play the game.
Questing for gold as a prot is terrible. Aslo the guy probably doesnt even want to play prot so help the guy out w respec/repairs. Speaking as prot war
I finished every quest in outland as prot, mostly in T2.5 gear, and a few replacement pieces. Your ability to solo stuff is not quite up there with pet classes, or druids, but there is a lot of the group quests that you can solo, that mages/shamans/rogues/fury just can't, at similar gear level. It's not actually that bad. With healing trinkets, your downtime is fairly low and it somewhat makes up for the long kill-times.
Tanks have expensive raid bills and bad class mechanics for gold farm compared to most dps classes, so I don't see an issue with selling tank service. A smooth tank is a smooth run
50 gold? I do it for 200g and I do 3-5 runs everyday if I want to
I asked for the green items as tank service or 10g per person. Some agrees other refuse. I myself have paid 100g to tanks.
ill tell you what, when everyone was complaining how hard it was to find a tank. i didnt mind paying 50g a pop to get them to run my heroic slave pens to farm my eye. or help me finish all my attunments to tempest keep. 50g when the expac dropped was nothing more than 30 mins mining or herbing. ive seen dudes in guild look for way longer for a tank. prices have done nothing but gone up recently because everyone is almost done with phase 1. for sure done with all heroics. if you do happen to find a free tank for your heroic chances are he is in blues and greens and needs a shit load of gear there and will wipe alot. i had zero problem flying around nagrand getting them adamantite nodes to help fully gear my warlock
I just learned how to solo quag on my lock and now I sell eyes
@@telemetriklongwalk4326 its really awesome when it works. thats a long ass time for nothing if it doesnt
This is why dual spec needs to come out now
i typically get the group to pitch in 10g each for 40g tip for tank. However, what really triggers me is when ppl accept these offers and show up either very undergeared or completely clueless on how to actually tank. i need a clause related to competence...
On my tank i typically just ask for unwanted drops tbh
Asking for fel armerments in slabs has left me with ether 30g/run or like 80g/run. Super worth it.
@@rotojakku i do this or charge 75g.
Im basically bis prot paladin.
i charge 50g for norms or 80 for Heroic
I just ask the party if they don't mind throwing up 5 to 10g each to bribe a tank or healer whichever is needed and ppl usually have no problem and agree. It is much faster than waiting for one and risking the group falling apart.
You know what would be great tiping a great tank to cover that repair bill. Tanks take all the damage and have the highest repair bills. Tip your tank please
Well being best in slot prot pally. Who is exalted with all factions. I don't need dungeons or badges. But I notice people spamming for tank for an hour. So I offer fast, clean, no cc runs for 50g. People add me to their friends list all the time. Gives me a reason to keep playing.
Tank services were there in original vanilla wow... they are by far nothign new.
The best argument for them has always been: If you dont like it, go levle a tank.
Even without a wipe a plate wearing tank will have a whopper repair bill compared to others. A fee plus unwanted items imo is too much. One or the other. I used to tank UBRS, LBRS and BRD Ony runs Well into BWL phase. I could have made more money picking herbs or mining .
I charge the primal nether and unwanted blues.
Or 150g and i pass on nether.
Its supply and demand. Some players opuld rather pay 50g then waste 30 minutes because they can make 200g an hour.
Tanking is carying.
You carry more responsibiliity. Its more APM intensive. You need to know all encounters. You cant slack on on gear/enchants. Hard to get good at. If people don't like paying, they should play a tank and see how well they do.
is it reasonable for a tank to tank for the nether? or does it dpend on gear lol cos i need 16 of the fuckers..
Don't personally pay for them, but other people in my dungeons have if we wait around long enough. Supply and demand. Should also note that any paid for tanks have been WAY more chill than random pug tanks from LFG chat lmao.
@O K don’t think I will, thanks
@O K don’t think I will, thanks
Free respec would make the change and won't cause problems except making token more irrelevant.
i see no reason not to bring in dual spec at this point... would solve so many issues...
@@alyssarichardson2544 But would not solve the tanking issue. Yeah, it would be great for healer and hybrids but it would not solve the problems the tank play has.
looked at my chat when the whisper sound went off. fml
Selling tanking services is shit tier game design. This is why we need dual spec. If's fucking miserable whats going on now
I hate it along with everyone else I ask on my server. I would rather wait 2 hours for a tank then pay a tank 100g for a heroic.
GTFO.
LOL. That's a poor use of your time. But hey, pride is a mf. In the 2 hours that you wasted that tank probably ran a heroic and 2 normals
Pay, or wait/ ask a guildie. You're not forced to do either
I have a 70 prot pally and a 70 rogue. 3/4 dung groups on my server are looking for a tank for 5-30 mins. My pally only does runs now for guild/friends. i do this because i hope that i can just get couple people to stop playing there 2 or 3rd dps class and make a tank/healer. i have not played with one person that has 2-3 tanks but omfg ive meet a shit ton of people that have 3 dps and not 1 healer or tank. i have fun tanking but after tanking in all but 2 wow expansions it is nice to not do the same thing every time AND YES i have paid for another tank to run me and i got latros and my kara atune done 100g worth
I've been sell tank services since towards the end vanilla classic, because I want to make my gold running dungeons. I keep it cheap and, other than the payment, I treat all loot as normal. I also just put my ad out there in LFG (and only LFG) and let people come to me, I'd never message someone to join their group asking them for payment.
I charge 15G for a normal, but there is one guy who keeps giving me more, kinda weird.
thats like 50 gold perh hour, charge 50 for normals
@@swe1337swe It's not really a gold farm for me, more a bit extra on the side while I do something fun.
I would love to have a tank, just don’t have time to level one:( wish you can reset heroics but can only get badges once 24 cd for badges
Duo specc would solve alot.
this, we need dual spec
Even still, idk too many people lining up to tank random 5 mans for strangers
@@mikeyrobinson5355 Im thinking Arms warriors/Resto druids and holy paladins can just step in to tank if they have gear and need badges. I would on my warrior
@@biophoton7245 ye, I still think those folks would be a minority. Also, I def wouldn't want to heal a heroic with a shit geared os "tank"
If you’re new/learning tank as much as possible for free. When you get pro charge whatever you’re worth. Ezpz
Back in original TBC we never paid or had issues finding tanks.
Wow is ded
Liar. The math doesn't make sense and i remember tbc had tank shortage just as now.. just not many offering to sell their service might be the only change
The problem can be also found in FFXIV, lmao healing and tanks are the worst clases to play. take into account that at least in FF its much more fun to play as a tank... here in tbc? is it fun to have all the responsibility on your shoulders while also having to die bunch of times if your group is shit, nah man tank shortage is just cuz there's almsot no fun in it
@@stefankristensen4643 just takes a quick wowhead search and sort trhu oldest comments when it comes to dungeons and shit, and you can see many comments saying "if you manage to find a tank..." or "tanking this is not fun..." and stuff like that
@@stefankristensen4643 what a disgusting little person you are, calling someone a liar for not having the same experience as you. World of Warcraft has never just had 1 sever in TBC times, I can not speak for retail as I have never played that crap. Only a fool would assume that everyone has the same experience playing a game as they did and only a disgraceful person would call someone a liar based on that foolish assumption.
@@TheRenekruse you can call me what you want on the internet my guy.. it doesn't matter to me. My point still stands and if I didn't see it regularly throughout tbc on one of the most populated servers. Then I can assume this person is just trying to get attention with his wording of "wow is ded"
I made a tank alt to charge people but stopped because you always get grps with incels who aoe before you even touch the mob then they cry they died.
sad side effect of going from 40 man to 25 man raiding. Finding a tank in vanilla classic was bad enough, but now that guilds don't need as many tanks, its even worse. This is literally the only incentive to play a tank
The agument about 40 to 25 dont make sanse. In 40 man would you have around 4 tanks (10%) in 25 man will you have 3 tanks (12%). when you look at it that way should you have more tanks.
@@tokeullharremoes1347 they have all rerolled as hunters and warlocks, thats why
Great videos dude
This is so against what wow was
The alternative is waiting an hour to find a tank, because no tanks needs your dungeon. It was worse "when wow was", because you just wouldn't find one
Supply and demand does not care about feelings.
On whitemane, the healer drought is nearly as bad. I literally use the lfg bulletin that shows how long someone has been looking for a healer. At the 10-15 min mark, I offer my service. 7/10 they are sick of waiting and gladly take my service. The other 3 say no and continue to spam for an hour or disband.
I'm petty though, so I'll taunt them as they search. "Damn, your still looking man?!" 😂
Any tank that wants to sell his services for un wanted items is cool by me... gotta make your hustle... But raw gold is bull shit....
You sell your services for raw gold then you should get zero rights to any drops in the dungeon
If you pay to have any character boosted you cant complain about tanks
10-15g go just for repairs to be fair
If you can Farm 5 motes of fire in 5min which sell for 15g even as a tank why would a geared tank run a 45min SL run for the same amount of Gold if he doesnt need it
I'd do half up front, and the tank isn't allowed to roll on any gear.
He doesn't want any of the gear...
@@mrillis9259 Bullshit. Plenty of them roll on gear.
I just tank everything on my shaman, some heroics can even be tanked.
Heroics that I can't see being all that possible without HEAVY CC atm.
BF, Shattered Halls, (Slave pens just depends on how good your hunters/healer are for a couple of fights, the rest is easy), Crypts, ARC.
(We have a different problem on our server, not enough tanks not because people don't play them, but the server is pretty dead)
I think you are spinning yarn
Make Druid and prot warriors aoe threat just as valuable as prot pally. More than half of groups won’t even consider a non paladin.
kinda bay zed (based) take but makes sense
Did anyone really see the game going any other way?
Dps that farmed thousands of gold complaining about having to pay for a tank that can't farm for sh*t, priceless
I sell tank service and its not because of the gold alone cause wtf would I go farm as a prot war then most server have more horde than ally its just not good to go out and farm open world as a prot war
Farmed honored to exalted botanica reserving unwanted items. I find a pocket healer give it 20 to 30 percent if they come to more runs. Made like 1500 in the process
Sounds like a Geico commercial. LoL
or be a prot pally and go 250gph+ in strat/scholo
Tank services are objectively a good thing, very few tanks doing services actually needs to to the dungeon, so having a tank doing services is literally just adding more choice of tanks. People who complain about tank services (that dont actually need anything from the dungeon) are just entitled brats who expect there to always be a tank there willing to do the dirty work for them.
If a fresh 70 that actually needs the dungeons are doing services, then yeah that's not that cool imo.
Dirty work? You are literally requiring help in order to do the run. Unless you are a competent tank, why the fuck would i pay you anything? I can just tank the shit myself on an alt.
@@frostdracohardstyle The tank doing services doesnt "require help" to do the run, the tank doesnt NEED to do the run AT ALL. So in order to be bothered to do the work, the tank needs some incentive in the form of unwanted items or gold... Go ahead and tank on your alt an never get the item you want on your main. Big brain moves
I've been ripped off too many times
Is ironic warriors are the most played class in TBC.
Where did you get that statistic from? I would love to see it.
Im not “hiring” a tank or a healer lmao that’s rediculous and you all know it
Tanks can't grind gold well. It's fair game imo. I've actually gotten gold given to me by people for runs I needed without asking....
Didint you hear about feral tanks?
Get dps gear and ouy can kill mobs pretty fast!
@@Yorashy prot wars and prot pals dps even in dps gear is not stellar.
Problems are as fallows: 1) Dungeons are hard,especially heroics,its not fun,especially tanks doing heroics every day,just stressful, 2) You cant tank in fury spec and dual-talent is not a thing until WOTLK which reduced number of potential tanks from classic, 3) Why play tank when you will never get 25-man spot because there are only 3 tanks in 25-man, doing Kara and dungeons for 2 years? No thanks! I left my feral druid on lvl 60, good ridance.
I'll argue that Healing can be just as stressful if not more so when dealing with a bad or undergeared tank and while in 25-mans there are more healers than tanks, I'd love to have Dual-Spec so I can do solo-content/grinding
@@ryapowa I agree, healing can be stressful which is why its hard to find healers for heroics. Mobs hit hard and tanks can be undergeared, many times healer left grp after tank died on first pull.IMO they should nerf heroics.
@@TheMathius90 Tbh it feels like there's a huge jump in difficulty going from Normal trash mobs to Heroic trash mobs, though the bosses always remained about the same imo
The only tanks that will offer services are non paladins.
Paladins farm 500g per hour in strat. why would they offer services.
No fucken way 500g per hour lmao it's like 200g without enchanting 250-300 with enchanting.
@@ProdigaliNKGaming it is still alot of gold
I made 600 an hour boosting for 20g per player and selling everything. 11min runs.
People get mad when I want to help in dungeons, but not for free (usually charge 100g)
considering i don't need dungeons or rep of any kind. I think this is fair just to do something since questing as prot Pala is so aids..
@@ProdigaliNKGaming Its 350+ if you sell boost. It's 500g with 4 boosties.
Just shut up and ask 'how' instead of saying 'no way' if you are actually fucking clueless.
100g is 25g each for a dungeon
how is that greedy? What is greedy is asking me to tank your dungeon for free to get your pre bis items while i get fuck all. How about I go strat and make a couple hundred gold instead of tanking your dungeon for 100
50g each from dps is fair to me, any dps class can farm money and 50g for a chance at your pre bis item is dirt cheap. In what way could you make that kind of progress on your character for 50g?
LoL 100G is nothing make them pay 200 or 300 for the dungeons.
I'm in P1 bis with every rep exalted on my healer, I literally have no reason to go into a 5 man ever. Unless you're a guildy, you're not getting heals w/o payment.
Are yo kiding me? Who cares about 50-100 g in tbc.
No judgment, supply and demand, I get it, but to me it's a sign of a dying game. I have no interest in paying for a tank or joining a group with anything on reserve, just like I have no interest in buying tokens to buy gold to pay for achievements I'm not good enough to get on my own in retail. I don't recall seeing paid tank services in the original BC. I see shortages (not of tanks) every other Kara run in my little guild lately and think people are just leaving the game. If tanking isn't fun, there's GW2 where 5-mans don't require tanks. If there just aren't enough people, there's the current fad to run over to FFXIV where the servers are full 24/7 despite people waiting for a new expansion. Personally, I'm about done sitting in LFG for an hour finding no groups to heal, or having days like today when my guild's Kara run is short the 2 other healers. If things don't pick up again with phase 2, I'm moving along. If the tanks aren't playing for fun, something's wrong with the game.
simple solution: dual spec
Tanking is not fun because of the current dps meta. It is stressfull, but not in the old exciting fasion, it is sometimes stressfull like a bad job. I am tired that dps could not wait 1-2 secs while i try to spread aggro on 4 mobs, i am tired that most rnd dps can not cc and break constant cc, i am tired that mages try to aoe 1 - 2 mobs or dds can not focus mobs down.
Thank you for explaining. It must be true. I play a hunter alt to farm for my priest and rarely take him into dungeons. But when I do, a tank will thank me for being a great hunter when I'm not even a good one. I guess they're just grateful I don't make them deal with the stuff you describe and that I can simply trap, or use a flare, or something basic.
Shortage and so fast gearing of tanks.
Pay the tank and go farm while making the group.
Or just become the tank
or the sexy shaman tank the nhc work well but no aoe run xD
I think it ruins the game somewhat. Doing everything out of greed is more a chore than fun.
I main a very well geared prot paladin and I sell tanking services all the time. It's not about being greedy, it's about the fact that I enjoy tanking dungeons and heroics a lot more than farming Strat non-stop. I'm willing to accept a lower gold per hour to do something I enjoy that also helps others. If it wasn't helping them, they wouldn't pay for it.
Also, I charge 40g for normals and 80g for heroics, so I feel pretty good about my prices after watching this.
4 members
25 each.
Not bad.
Don't you guys still have your boosting gold from classic?
Lets put tank to perspective. Tank:
More work
More respondsibility
More repair bill
Tank rarity
Time is money
Tank cant farm gold
Tank mostly dont need anything
Most importantly, you need 1
So dont mind paying 50g for 1 if u really need it. Just think its a win win for both
Just go to private servers. Paying to play wow and keep paying gold to get a tank, yep sounds reasonable and not throwing away your time at all.
I tanked in BC before and there was enough tanks to go around but a lot of Guild snatched up those tanks so if you ever need to be in a guild! u need to be part of a guild simple as that ! but here in classic it's people have money and they can't play their Warriors so , they dropped their Warriors and play other classes . and so you there was a large number of Warriors playing for TBC classic and realized can't DPs and tanking is hard
. now there's just nothing so and plus tanking is a totally different animal it's actually harder and TBC because we warrior tanking in general is hard, each pull can be more difficult than a boss! Now the tank roll is more important it's more challenging and then you got people who don't even do their roles properly . they DPS something they're not supposed to be or they break a cc when they're not supposed to, so charging people I don't mind it.
I do 40g for 60-68 dung and 60g for lvl 70... and for heroics depends lol.
You have to pay me real gold to play wow now lol
Yet here you are on a wow video. You "wow is dead" folks sure love to linger around wow content talking shit
@@mikeyrobinson5355 u seem triggered xD