@@dontgankmebruv7273 yeah, you can blast all aoe spells on those so masses are wiped around them, while they make a blob, and preferably heal them to full after every battle. The main thing is that these kinds of hero amountss are the key to winning every engagement and this is an easy "hero blob + strong spells" army delete
@@dontgankmebruv7273 yea on my Gelt Campaign he can pretty much just solo armies on his own while I just use other mages as infinite winds of magic batteries
@@dontgankmebruv7273 I've noticed this as well, but I've had many a time where buff/debuff spells have come in clutch against one man doom stacks like Vlad
these are informative for sure, but the real gems (and most educating ones) are the disaster battles where he really is sweating - like the dwarf disaster battle from a couple of days (weeks?) ago
Gotrek and Felix and Co. standing in the middle of a literal zombie apocolypse Legend : "Nothing that should concern us here." Gotrek : "dissapointed grumbling"
@legendoftotalwar It was my disaster battle and the army in Drycha territory was a bait army so I could attack her out of the settlement with Nemesis Crown and get more movement! Also so she couldn't run out of movement range! Thanks for doing the battle and sorry for the lack of context in the email - I was a bit hungover tbh! :D
pro tip if you want to bait without loosing a whole army you can wither recruit a lord with a shit trait or stand at the edge of their range in regular march so you can just retreat when they attack
This was incredible haha Totally unexpected but probably the best advice I've heard from Legend getting you to think of the strengths and weaknesses of both sides in a given situation, sounds so simple but just not something I'd really properly considered like this before. Amazing video as always!
Glad to see Bruckner in a battle. He might not be the most powerful hero but man its fun turning on all his buffs and watch him melt single entities and heroes. He also looks super cool.
The reason these bazzles are so engaging is the educational aspect of them as ypu explain the recipe to victory and what will work against what won't. This is why I watch to apply in my own games even as a L/VH player myself, of course nowhere near this level of battle experience.
I have to admit Legend consistently does things I never would have guessed or thought up in 24.15 years It is amazing watching such a Legend of Total War™ at work
on this particular map i like setting up in the top left corner as the defender, its got a house to split the troops so you can set up two lines of fire that are relatively safe from flanking and have the artillery thin out the troops behind the enemy front line. setting up the heroes at max range distance from your gunners gives enough buffer room to tie up some enemy units to shoot em down and just having magic in general is definitely a bonus.
One thing I think you sometimes miss is that even if they won't blob into the heroes, just order that hero to attack every unit running near it, if they touch him and start to fight it, it works better at least. But yeah, all I saw at first is to blob all heroes and go balls deep with that sweet 195 WoM. This battle was a lot easier, as there was 90 WoM before first Purple sun, and double that in reserves.
@AIHumanMind hes stated it before. I'm just reiterating, although I did not hear him mention it in this particular video. It's useful information for new players who don't know. Magic overcasting is often meant for a good opportunity that only presents itself once, so you want to make the most of it. In this particular case, no matter where or when he casted Purple Sun, it was going to be a worthwhile cast and continually so.
@LegendofTotalWar Would you ever consider sharing save files with us so we can practice some of your strategies or try variations? Thank you for your content!!
24:32 As a vampire counts enjoyer I don`t think that crown of command is useless. It`s pretty good to use on summons if you want them to hold longer, and it`s really useful to cheese some winds of death.
The a.i. would hunt them down. Use war wagons with mortars they also get the stalk snipe traits, same number of entities, damage output, and are way more mobile. I don't remember if they fire whilst moving.
Well, I think wahat you do is awesome and amazing. You have 500k subscribers, so I'm not the only one who thinks so. You do what wins you the fight, which is what counts.
I hope they stay with the single unit commanders and heroes for tw:warhammer40k although it obviously causes some balancing issues. and it´s always the same when u overcast a spell for increased duration it follows murphy´s law and always moves out of the enemies early.
You totally could have utilised the missile units by retreating them to the edge of the map and firing until the enemy close in, but instead you chose to massacre them with magic, but I’m not complaining, it’s more satisfying to watch 😅
Why not aim the vortex? Instead of just clicking holding the click and dragging in certain direction makes the vortex move that way at least for a "tick or two" of it's movements
@@LegendofTotalWar skavenAdvisor12.wav "buttlegend what if they think you're mentally ill!" It's fantastic. You're entertaining for hours on end and are a big help through my chronic pain. I don't think i've ever gotten bored through a video or stream of yours. Talent for games aside, you're an excellent commentator too.
Yeah I don't see how this is a disaster, Elspeth on her dragon can basically solo that, short prediction pre watch legend hides all troops and artillery in the woods at map edge with fire at will off. Forms a murder ball of heroes on the ground overcasts 1 million Purple suns into ensuing blob
I think because then they would have spread out, and he wanted them to blob as fast as possible. The more time they use to blob, the longer he has to wait to get a good cast of.
First you can't hide artillery in forests only behind a large hill. But the main problem is that if you hide your army in the forest then the ai will send out units to go and check all the forests on the map and eventually find you.
A lot of the reason he gets the mega blobs he do in this video is the spot he stands in. As he mentions the AI just doenst really know what to do so they end up all pathing up the same hill and get blobbed. If you stand in the open or in the forest the AI will send a few units in to attack and the rest circles you Ive noticed, but if you make the path up a narrow area or a chokehold they just dont calculate the pathing at all, end up in a massive blob and are free for some big magic obliteration
I feel like some people still don't know this- you don't have to maintain the units the Gunnery School quests require once they're marked as completed, which happens as soon as you hit the unit threshold. Its the only explanation for having Handgunners in an army this far into a campaign. Ironsides shoot literally twice as fast, which more than makes up the difference in entity count.
Legend: *Full lecture on AI tendencies and magic optimisation*
My Brain: Heroes OP, got ya.
Magic is honestly overpowered, especially when you combine it with single entities
@@dontgankmebruv7273 yeah, you can blast all aoe spells on those so masses are wiped around them, while they make a blob, and preferably heal them to full after every battle. The main thing is that these kinds of hero amountss are the key to winning every engagement and this is an easy "hero blob + strong spells" army delete
@@ilari90 people also like to ignore buff and debuff spells, making vlad have like 0 melee attack and defense will never not be funny
@@dontgankmebruv7273 yea on my Gelt Campaign he can pretty much just solo armies on his own while I just use other mages as infinite winds of magic batteries
@@dontgankmebruv7273 I've noticed this as well, but I've had many a time where buff/debuff spells have come in clutch against one man doom stacks like Vlad
Lore Accurate Gotrek and Felix fights.
Also I love how Legends head voice sometimes becomes straight up sentient
"Sir, he's deliberately making Disaster Battles harder for himself, again."
"Dear God."
these are informative for sure, but the real gems (and most educating ones) are the disaster battles where he really is sweating - like the dwarf disaster battle from a couple of days (weeks?) ago
"There's more"
9 Empire characters vs Kemmler and almost 4 full stacks. The embodiment of quantity vs quality.
Quantity has a quality all on its own
@@Troupe_Masterif it was hellman ghorst it'd be both
Just goes to show how much what he says about having good units means about having options rings true.
@@strangestecho5088 The bane of all Undead, together with Harald Hammerstorm
vampire is the easiest enemy in the game, period, because of no range unit and lord snipe technique
Gotrek and Felix and Co. standing in the middle of a literal zombie apocolypse
Legend : "Nothing that should concern us here."
Gotrek : "dissapointed grumbling"
21:35 the eagles swooping in to save the day like in Lord of the Rings only to be eaten by a bunch of oversized bats in a few seconds is hilarious
Honestly the “BuT LeGenD” Bit always makes me laugh
@legendoftotalwar It was my disaster battle and the army in Drycha territory was a bait army so I could attack her out of the settlement with Nemesis Crown and get more movement! Also so she couldn't run out of movement range! Thanks for doing the battle and sorry for the lack of context in the email - I was a bit hungover tbh! :D
pro tip if you want to bait without loosing a whole army you can wither recruit a lord with a shit trait or stand at the edge of their range in regular march so you can just retreat when they attack
@@dustydinofaceit looked like a free army you get from spending prestige anyways so I don’t think he cared too much about it
Those "But Legend"s are the best part of your videos))
He 100% practises that in the mirror.
Classic Legend. "Army? Give me that wizard over there."
I wonder if the dragon evil woman is gonna breathe on her troops.
Elspeth is best against single large targets
This was incredible haha Totally unexpected but probably the best advice I've heard from Legend getting you to think of the strengths and weaknesses of both sides in a given situation, sounds so simple but just not something I'd really properly considered like this before. Amazing video as always!
Glad to see Bruckner in a battle. He might not be the most powerful hero but man its fun turning on all his buffs and watch him melt single entities and heroes. He also looks super cool.
He's got great animations too
@kodiakjak1 yea I always wanna keep him on foot but he also looks cool on his demi
The reason these bazzles are so engaging is the educational aspect of them as ypu explain the recipe to victory and what will work against what won't. This is why I watch to apply in my own games even as a L/VH player myself, of course nowhere near this level of battle experience.
Generals message: "Sir, we're massively outnumbered, what do we do!?" Legends response: "You're not gonna like my answer"
I'm pretty sure the army at 28:13 is a summoned army and the Player was trying to get them killed and ambush Drycha afterwards with Karl Franz
Yes! It was my disaster battle and it was a bait army so I could attack Drycha out of the settlement with Nemesis Crown and get more movement!
@@TheLloydy122great thinking
Holy crap he finally listened to that guy's advice 9:43
Do a push up every time legend sarcastically says "but legend!"
Get ripped
Kemmler watching the battle from down the hill :
🧍🐴
That almost sounds like a start of a limerick.
Lmfao. And he's just like "what the fuck...."
Now we have to wait for Warhammer 4 so that the AI can handle even this situation
You forgot four zeros there.
If you can't win with steam tanks, you aren't using enough.
Can't wait to purchase it and all its DLC and WH3 + WH2 + WH1's DLC for approximately £1988
...on sale
I have to admit Legend consistently does things I never would have guessed or thought up in 24.15 years
It is amazing watching such a Legend of Total War™ at work
9 guys killed 9.000
Only in warhammer total war.
Thats why i love this game
Legend, saves the throw away "send help army" that dies anyway, true man of the Empire ! :D
Legendoftotslwar showing why he IS THE LEGEND OF TOTAL WAR. Love your content!
Wasn’t expecting the withdrawal XD
on this particular map i like setting up in the top left corner as the defender, its got a house to split the troops so you can set up two lines of fire that are relatively safe from flanking and have the artillery thin out the troops behind the enemy front line. setting up the heroes at max range distance from your gunners gives enough buffer room to tie up some enemy units to shoot em down and just having magic in general is definitely a bonus.
A Fellowship of 9 just makes me wish for a modern Total War-esque LotR game
9:46 made me belly laugh. The one time the voices were right XD
One thing I think you sometimes miss is that even if they won't blob into the heroes, just order that hero to attack every unit running near it, if they touch him and start to fight it, it works better at least. But yeah, all I saw at first is to blob all heroes and go balls deep with that sweet 195 WoM. This battle was a lot easier, as there was 90 WoM before first Purple sun, and double that in reserves.
"Whatever decision you're going to make, it will always be the wrong one."
-Legend of Total War
Overcasting often seems like the best option but something to consider is the cooldown time is much longer.
He did say excactly that
@AIHumanMind hes stated it before. I'm just reiterating, although I did not hear him mention it in this particular video. It's useful information for new players who don't know. Magic overcasting is often meant for a good opportunity that only presents itself once, so you want to make the most of it. In this particular case, no matter where or when he casted Purple Sun, it was going to be a worthwhile cast and continually so.
Ah, well that was very therapeutic to watch. Thanks Legend. 👍
@LegendofTotalWar Would you ever consider sharing save files with us so we can practice some of your strategies or try variations? Thank you for your content!!
@@Zalmoxidae it’s my save file. Happy to share if you want
"Not sure what your plan was here"
Narrator: there was no plan.
Heavily outnumbered? What we need to do is be even more outnumbered. Of course!!
Legend!!
24:32 As a vampire counts enjoyer I don`t think that crown of command is useless. It`s pretty good to use on summons if you want them to hold longer, and it`s really useful to cheese some winds of death.
"b-but legend that purple sun went the right way!"
I wonder if the ai would ignore stalk snipe mortars that elspeth can recruit if they were shooting into a blob like this
Wondering this as well
the AI seems to actually ignore the snipe mortarts, as I had multiple battles againts Skaven, and their Menace Below's never targeted my mortars
@landeler8888 they won't use menace below on units they can't see.
The a.i. would hunt them down. Use war wagons with mortars they also get the stalk snipe traits, same number of entities, damage output, and are way more mobile. I don't remember if they fire whilst moving.
I swear. The game knows exactly which direction you eant a vortex to go and always goes the opposite
Well, I think wahat you do is awesome and amazing. You have 500k subscribers, so I'm not the only one who thinks so. You do what wins you the fight, which is what counts.
14:40 you can see the empire captain terror route a couple minutes before and just dip from the blob
Holy fuck another incredible battle. Truely inspiring
25:43 that boy went to the moon lmao
Legend exposing the problem with war hammer 3 that armies have such little value it’s all about high level characters
I hope they stay with the single unit commanders and heroes for tw:warhammer40k although it obviously causes some balancing issues.
and it´s always the same when u overcast a spell for increased duration it follows murphy´s law and always moves out of the enemies early.
6:39 "...you should let the AI win, defeating the purpose of disaster battle videos"
23:15 a stray sheep runs across the battlefield
Blank is smart to get your attention, mr no context had a W here
That seems like some real sun tzu stuff
You totally could have utilised the missile units by retreating them to the edge of the map and firing until the enemy close in, but instead you chose to massacre them with magic, but I’m not complaining, it’s more satisfying to watch 😅
Ни чего сверх одинарного. Знание механики игры и опыт. Молодец. Если бы умудрился использовать стрелков и сохранить их я бы удивился.
9 guys fighting off an army.. boromir took a couple arrows but atleast he didnt die this time
Good commentary, I learned something new
I'm here for the "But Legend" voice
has 150 winds, spends half the battle trying to kill Krell, never spirit leeches him
That 4k kills on Elspeth. Damn
Our Magik will zerstör them! ^^
just looking here, 0:36, pretty sure elspeth alone can take 99% of this battle.......
id find this game much more enjoyable to play if the wait times went 2 minutes plus. cheers for the value content
not using flock of doom on that blob has me tweakin
Same. My inner teclis was salivating
I swear the Purple Suns never wander so much in my games. Am I losing my mind or did they introduce this super recently, maybe stealthily too?
I always thought it was a stationnary spell; i guess not
@@NC-hu6xd iirc Morathi has a similar spell, as well as some dark casters, their versions are bigger and stationary.
In no world is it a good idea to fight the enemy on there terms unless you want to die
this is actually my favorite trick
Real gamers cheese with pride, don't deny it.
But Legend! Couldn't the missile infantry hide in the forest on the opposite end of the map to preserve balance of power? :O
That was insane!
Sad that the black holes went the wrong direction
New PC really making these battles pop.
Dark majik hero shes got it Dragon magic adopting ulrika.. good
Why not aim the vortex? Instead of just clicking holding the click and dragging in certain direction makes the vortex move that way at least for a "tick or two" of it's movements
cheese to the cheese god
Love it! Such wonderful cheese. 🧀🧀🧀🧀🧀
Super interesting one
Bu... But Legend!
ButtLegend lives in his head. Amusing for us, but imagine trying to make a sandwich or go to the toilet with buttlegend questioning your every move.
lol i only do it in videos for your entertainment
@@LegendofTotalWar skavenAdvisor12.wav "buttlegend what if they think you're mentally ill!"
It's fantastic. You're entertaining for hours on end and are a big help through my chronic pain. I don't think i've ever gotten bored through a video or stream of yours. Talent for games aside, you're an excellent commentator too.
But Legend, never assume his agenda!!
Is it too difficult for CA to code a unit to prioritize the strongest unit arround them to attack.
Could you just have hidden your troops in the woods so that you wouldn't lose any balance of power and still have the same effect?
Did they buff Theo Bruckner on his mount, or is he still better on foot?
Wow the hawks just lose straight up to fell bats what a sht unit lmao
Very good blob smashing
Do they still have infinite coruscating blast/dragon breaths when you cast, cast-cancel with magic at 0 countdown?
Yeah I don't see how this is a disaster, Elspeth on her dragon can basically solo that, short prediction pre watch legend hides all troops and artillery in the woods at map edge with fire at will off. Forms a murder ball of heroes on the ground overcasts 1 million Purple suns into ensuing blob
one thing i don't understand:
why didn't you shoot at the enemy with your long range missiles just a few shoots before you withdraw them?
I think because then they would have spread out, and he wanted them to blob as fast as possible. The more time they use to blob, the longer he has to wait to get a good cast of.
that looked like fun
Beautiful!
Did they fix the infinite breaths on Elspeth?
It may be cheese but cheese is delicious.
legend maybe zoom in more into the units because u got better pc now the fights would be epic
Can you hide the artillery and missile units instead or does the AI try to find them?
First you can't hide artillery in forests only behind a large hill. But the main problem is that if you hide your army in the forest then the ai will send out units to go and check all the forests on the map and eventually find you.
You could only do that with mortars and only in Elspeth's faction. She can buy an upgrade that gives them snipe and stalk.
@@Garret007damn mortars seem like the way to go. That's nuts
that army looked a bait army. looked like a borrowed army from an ally to bait them to franz no idea though
Legend of Exploit the AI
Did anyone else try to move around his map with awsd Lol
The AI never blobs up like this for me. They always send 1 or 2 Units at a time
what difficulty do you play on? AI behavior is different for different difficulties.
they only blob like this when you only have single entities not if u have anormal army thats why he retreated the units
A lot of the reason he gets the mega blobs he do in this video is the spot he stands in. As he mentions the AI just doenst really know what to do so they end up all pathing up the same hill and get blobbed. If you stand in the open or in the forest the AI will send a few units in to attack and the rest circles you Ive noticed, but if you make the path up a narrow area or a chokehold they just dont calculate the pathing at all, end up in a massive blob and are free for some big magic obliteration
@@ghost28896 legendary/very hard
@@eshaan570 I know, but evevn when I charge them with a full stack of SE, they refuse to blob like this.
Legend, do you have the specs for your new Computer listed anywhere?
"but sir, you can't just retreat half of your army, thats unfair for the IA" (joking)
9 guys vs 10000 undead
I feel like some people still don't know this- you don't have to maintain the units the Gunnery School quests require once they're marked as completed, which happens as soon as you hit the unit threshold.
Its the only explanation for having Handgunners in an army this far into a campaign. Ironsides shoot literally twice as fast, which more than makes up the difference in entity count.
Super easy, barely an inconvenience
Dynasty warriors warhammer edition
Strange... cuz I see this battle do-able